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You Don't Know What You're Doing

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I'm not convinced David Moyes really knows what he's doing. Let me explain:

We needed forwards last season and we sent the Yak on loan after he had looked the fittest he'd ever been after his injury. Vaughan, who would run through a brick wall for Everton too, was put out on loan.

Yet he kept and increased the wages of Victor Anichebe, who plays like a poor version of Heskey. Moyes took 26 games to give Beckford a run in the team, and shoved Osman out wide after his best ever performances in central midfield to accommodate his favourites.

Although Coleman played well in the position Moyes put him, his best position is right back, but he dare not upset his favourites; we could have both full backs racing up and claiming assists, scoring occasionally too, allowing a midfielder to occupy a midfield spot.

Can't Moyes see what all the crowd can see? Playing with two up front (even just for home games) makes a difference. Why play the game for the point we start with? When we go behind with one up front, Moyes has to change formation and tactics to regain the point, so why doesn't his brain tell him he could start with this formation and tactics and win more games??? It's common sense and you don't need a coaching badge to understand.

What I really don't understand is he has bought well (most of the time) in the transfer market and he usually gets players who are attack minded and then stops them playing to their strengths has he no confidence in himself or his players (I do of the latter).

So here we go ? another season about to start, all filled with hope. I would like to see both the chairman and the manager go, but I would love to be proven wrong about them with a trophy or two and a top 4 place. Oh déjà vu...

Paul Knox, Wheaton Aston, Staffs     Posted 19/07/2011 at 13:47:16

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Mark Stone
1   Posted 19/07/2011 at 16:30:44

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Completely disagree. What Moyes does, year on year, is achieve more points than every other club (except the ones with have huge squads, packed out with world class superstars, which cost stupid money). So, whether the tactics are attractive or not, it is effective. I always think we start the season off playing some nice football (like last season) and end up getting caught on the break and getting twatted. Then, when it's backs to the walls, the points start coming.

It's common sense and you don't need a coaching badge to understand.

Maybe that's where you are going wrong.
Sam Hoare
2   Posted 19/07/2011 at 17:10:28

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Agree with Mark. Moyes's job first and foremost in the league is to try and get points. And that he has done pretty consistently. He's not there to appease all the armchair managers out there.

As for Vaughan and Yak, they're not good enough. Which is why they will most likely end up playing for clubs below us in the league. Anichebe is in the same boat but Moyes recognises the use of his tremendous physical assets.
Phil Roberts
3   Posted 19/07/2011 at 17:25:15

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Paul, he knows a heck of a lot more than you
Tony J Williams
4   Posted 19/07/2011 at 17:19:57

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Yak may have been the fittest since coming back from injury but was still playing gash. As much as I wanted Vaughan to be in the team, he hasn't proven himself really and I doubt he will do much at Palace.

Coleman is not good enough for right back and I find him to be a one trick pony, run Forest run...says it all.

No idea with Victor, there must be some incriminating photos of Moyes out there.

It's not the two up front that changes the game, it's the opposition not going forward as much that allows us to pressure them more and try and get back level.

"usually gets players who are attack minded and then stops them playing to their strengths" - Who?
Paul Gladwell
5   Posted 19/07/2011 at 18:05:20

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Any professional footballer who turns up as fat as he looked at Bury last week is a cheat in my eyes and its no wonder we cannot sell him.
Al Reddish
6   Posted 19/07/2011 at 18:09:38

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Don't forget that we had to loan out players due to the financial constraints brought upon by Bill and his cronies.
If these were the only two that clubs came in for, then they were the ones who had to go. Moyes wouldn,t have let Beckford go and I doubt anyone would have come in for Anichebe.
Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 19/07/2011 at 18:17:25

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Paul OS writer not other one, at the Bury game Coleman played right back and he simply isn't ready for it, play him to his strengths now which is on the wing.

Anichebe is just plain shite at this level, drop him a league or two and he'll find his level, Sam what physical assets his punching the ground after he falls over or the way he holds his lower back like he is pregnant?
David Price
8   Posted 19/07/2011 at 20:38:51

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Paul, what Moyes has had to deal with in restraints etc, he wouldn't have kept us going in the premier league without excellent managerial skills.
Mistakes, yes, like anyone but a lot less than others also.
Mark Berry
9   Posted 19/07/2011 at 21:45:40

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I thought the mantra was get the business done early and January isn't a good time to bring the right players in.

Could be a year, therefore, before we see any meaningful activity (1st choice signings) and, hence, 2011-12 may well be DM's last season.
John Ford
10   Posted 19/07/2011 at 22:04:11

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'A trophy or two and a top four place'

Yeh wouldnt we all, but if youre measuring Moyes or any other manager outside of the moneyed elite based on that, youre in dreamworld. Nobody does this without heavy investment. Moyes has done us proud.

We can all agree on Anichebe, but do remember before this arrogant child claimed he was worth a big money contract last summer, he was actually an asset for us. It was only last season, (after someone convinced him he's a better player than he is) that we see an incompetant stumbling clown. There was no reason for Moyes not to resign him based on his form prior to last season. Could anyone honestly predict that he would be so piss poor?
Richard Dodd
11   Posted 19/07/2011 at 22:38:39

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Well,it makes a change from blaming it ALL on Kenwright!
Trevor Mackie
12   Posted 19/07/2011 at 22:25:22

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Both Manc clubs and Chelsea are the only trophy hunters, the Spuds, Arse and RS will pick up crumbs via a cup as the others play their second strings.

We don't figure at all, Moyes can live in this "filler" part of the division till he decides he wants to go.

If we were ambitious and had some money I'd cack myself having Moyes trying to buy forwards, but neither applies.

As it stands he can do what the fuck he likes as long as he stays in the division - that's where we are.

But I'm too long in the tooth to pretend it's anything but shite.

Nelly Verdonghan
13   Posted 19/07/2011 at 22:47:29

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got to be honest his tactics and style of play (HOOOFFFF) are gash !!
Dean Adams
14   Posted 19/07/2011 at 22:56:28

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Yeah, let's do a Blackpool then shall we? Sometimes it is hard being an Evertonian and the rest of the time.... .damn near impossible!!!!!!!
Jamie Sweet
15   Posted 19/07/2011 at 23:28:47

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Dean, Blackpool had the right idea, they just didn't have the quality at the back to make it work. We do.

And boy did the Bloomfield Road faithful get entertained last year. I wish I could say the same for ourselves!

I'm not advocating a gung-ho approach to games - just a little more positivity, particularly at home. I'm not talking formation (4-4-2 vs 4-5-1 isn't the issue), it's about committing players forward when we're attacking... getting more than one or two players in and around the box - something Moyes seems loathed to do it would seem.
John Gee
16   Posted 20/07/2011 at 00:21:40

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Paul #5, lay off the Yak, he's trying his best. You try staying in shape when you're pushing 40!
Adam Fenlon
17   Posted 20/07/2011 at 02:09:15

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That's the first time I've ever heard anyone claim Osman got a raw deal because he's not one of Moyes's "favourites". The anti-Osman brigade thought Moyes was showing outright favouritism for persevering with Osman for most of the last couple of years until he hit some form.
James Flynn
18   Posted 20/07/2011 at 03:53:38

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Sorry Paul

"I'm not convinced David Moyes really knows what he's doing".

As opposed to your experience managing at the EPL level? Enlighten the rest of us.

You don't like how he does things? Fine. That I get. But the guy whose never had Top 4 money keeping us at our place mid-table (however frustrating to us all) has assembled a good team these last 2-3 seasons. If he hadn't, we would have finished further down the Table.

Try this: 1. The young kids develop. They do or they don't right? Let's say they do.

2. Yak realizes he's on his last big-money contract and the "What about poaching that Yakuba from Everton" days are over.

3. Saha gives us half a full-health season.

4. Beckford sat at home and thought, "Jesus, I'm in the EPL. I can actually make a huge chunk of money> I have to improve.

I focused on our strike force because it's the only deficiency we have while having the players who can deliver.

Let's come out hot. We know we improve as the season goes.

Get out the gate fast, gents.
John Ford
19   Posted 20/07/2011 at 08:52:47

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Nice post James.

Moyes has us finishing 7th, another season where we're only bettered by teams with huge cheque books. He consistently has us higher than clubs with similar resources.....yet apparently he doesnt know what he's doing.

I can absolutely understand the passion and desire for more, and to challenge for euro places, but I lament the short sightedness of people who think theres better to be had from another manager under the current board. There are no examples anywhere of managers doing better under similar constraints. Moyes is our biggest asset.
Danny Lizars
20   Posted 20/07/2011 at 09:43:38

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I'd say a lot of it is Kenwright's fault, Dodd. Moyes is also partly to blame of course. Was the Yak a bad striker before he came to Goodison? Is Anichebe a footballer? Yet he gets on the pitch far too often.
Norman Merrill
21   Posted 20/07/2011 at 12:43:08

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John Gee, #16.
Thanks for bringing some humour into the same old comments, and your correct as well.
Noel Lynam
22   Posted 20/07/2011 at 12:53:38

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Just because Paul has never managed a Premier League team does not mean he does not have the right to opine on Moyes' abilities.

And no matter how often you claim our "only deficiency" is the lack of a top class striker, it doesn't make it true. Put Tevez or Villa in that team and they still wouldn't be able to cover for:

A keeper who inspires no confidence in his back four.

A right full (take your pick of either) who can kindly be described as having limited footballing ability.

A centre half prone to lapses in concentration which is masked by his pace.

A midfield devoid of any real width, pace and creativity (Arteta on his day - which is all too rare - being the exception to the latter)

I could go on but those are just some examples of deficiencies.
Chris Butler
23   Posted 20/07/2011 at 13:13:13

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Moyes is an idiot who has taken the credit for all the hard work the players do. His tactics, if he actually has any, are the same every game:

He fails to notice the failings of the likes of Arteta, Neville and Anichebe. He gets rid of one injury-prone striker, AJ, and then signs sicknote. Playing 4-5-1 at home to the likes of Wigan. Vaughan scores 2 goals in 3 games on his return to the first team then is offloaded again on loan. He takes 3 months to notice that Coleman deserves to start games. In the FA Cup Final, he decides to play a long ball system against the best midfield in the Premier League...

It's bloody hypocritical how his apologists can come on here giving him praise, thus some becoming armchair managers, yet his critics can't. Expect another disappointing season this year as I believe it's impossible that Moyes can change things around.

James Marshall
24   Posted 20/07/2011 at 14:36:49

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A good manager and chairman alone won't win you anything, or get you in the top 4.

Money and a good manager and chairman will.

Moyes is a good manager - why d'you think every one of the other managers regards him so highly, yet certain Evertonians don't for no good reason?

Moyes bashing is ridiculous. Be careful what you wish for.
James Marshall
25   Posted 20/07/2011 at 14:44:55

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PS His tactics are at times, infuriating so I agree with that bit.

Oh, and players like Anichebe should be used to make glue.
Anthony Millington
26   Posted 20/07/2011 at 16:20:06

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I don't understand Moyes sometimes, he wastes 9/10 million odd on Bily who has proved Hiddink right when he said he hasn't got the pace for the Premier League, yet we miss out on a class player in Manny Fernandes who I've seen has just joined Besiktas for 2 million! In a transfer market crawling with over priced players how did we manage to let him slip through the net at that price!

I think we will struggle if Arteta gets injured, especially now that Pienaar has gone, because we don't have any other flair players. To infuriate me more, no doubt we'll wait until the end of the transfer window and we'll splash out on someone not half as good as Manny (unless we get N'Zogbia!).
Anthony Millington
27   Posted 20/07/2011 at 16:30:14

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I agree with Paul aswell about Yakubu and Vaughan! Why get rid of Yak and keep Saha who is constantly injured, and why keep Anichebe over Vaughan! Vaughan puts more effort in, can actually last a 90 minute match and scores some goals, unlike Victor! It's a big season for Anichebe, if he doesn't come good this year, I think we should get rid!
Tony J Williams
28   Posted 20/07/2011 at 17:31:11

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"he decides to play a long ball system against the best midfield in the Premier League..." Surely bypassing the midfield would be better than trying to dribble through the "best midfield in the Premier League"?
Simon Harris
29   Posted 20/07/2011 at 17:36:22

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Anthony #26 - Maybe we did try and sign Fernandes, wouldn't be the 1st time he's turned us down in favour of another club.

Agree regards Bily, but Moyes transfer dealings in the main are impressive over the years.

I hope and trust he's got his eye on another bargain like Pienaar, funded by a portion of the proceeds from recent sales - being optimistic.
Andy Crooks
30   Posted 20/07/2011 at 20:08:44

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Dean Adams, Blackpool were relegated because they had a truly woeful back four. We have a reasonably solid back four and attacking options that are, at the very least, the equal of Blackpool's.

I would suggest that if the coaches had been swapped Blackpool would have been safe and we would have had the best and most exciting, entertaining season for years.

Dean Adams
31   Posted 20/07/2011 at 21:18:08

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Andy Crooks

And the point being, we are still in the fight whilst Blackpool are being dismembered.

I dont like the crap, but I do like being in the hunt, even if only in my realistic dreams.

Brendan McLaughlin
32   Posted 20/07/2011 at 23:27:22

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Too right Andy. Nothing like a relegation battle to up the excitement & entertainment levels. Funny though pre-Moyes under "Where's Wally" when relegation dogfights were the norm I don't recall the excitement or entertainment levels being particularly high.
James Flynn
33   Posted 21/07/2011 at 03:00:04

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Noel (22) - "I could go on but those are just some examples of deficiencies".

What's holding you up with your examples? Just a discussion board. Only takes a few minutes. Name names (And not with Arteta "qualifications").

You slagged 5 of the positions on the pitch. Sounds like the description of a relegation side.
James Flynn
34   Posted 21/07/2011 at 03:20:20

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Chris (23) - In fairness, "It's bloody hypocritical how his apologists can come on here giving him praise", has its opposite.

Clue less dickheads like yourself.
I'm just saying . . .
Noel Lynam
35   Posted 21/07/2011 at 09:08:00

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James (33) I would have thought by the descriptions it was obvious who I was referring to, but I'll spell it out for you.

Our keeper is Tim Howard. Our two right fulls are Phil Neville and Tony Hibbert. The centre half prone to lapses in concentration is Sylvain Distin. Our midfield which is, in my opinion, devoid of the necessary width, pace and creativity to make us real contenders consists of Fellaini, Osman, Bilyaletdinov, Arteta, Cahill, Coleman, Rodwell etc.

I am not for one moment inferring we are a relegation side. My point is that having a top class striker / strike force is far from being our "only deficiency".

Agree 100% it is a discussion board. Which is why resorting to calling someone a "clueless dickhead" is unnecessary and doesn't reflect well on anyone.
James Flynn
36   Posted 22/07/2011 at 05:50:42

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Noel (35) - Clueless dickhead rescinded and apologized for.

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