The CIES Football Observatory research team has developed a powerful approach to estimate on a scientific basis the transfer value of professional football players. Issue number 192 of the Weekly Post presents the list of the 110 big-5 league footballers with an estimated value of more than €40 million.
No surprise that our very own motormouth is up at #13 (€104.4M);
Eric Dier at #21 (€85.0M);
John Stones surprisingly at #37 (€71.2M – didn't he flop already at Man City?)
Shkodran Mustafi at #69 (€54.1M);
But no place, it seems, for our Diamond, Ross Barkley? No even worth (€40.0M)? I suppose the estimates of around £30M (~€33.9M) are therefore accurate – although didn't we want £50M for him?
This compilation might also help those amongst us who like to post seemingly endless lists of players' names that Everton should be bringing in as we head into another summer of endless fun and intrigue in the transfer market.
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1 Posted 12/06/2017 at 14:56:14
Lukaku and Barkley are for sale, for 𧴜m and 㿞m respectively, and the board are looking at replacements for Yakubu / Beattie money. Even if those players are the great bargains we hope they are, this sounds suspiciously like a continuation of the Kenwright mid-table-comfortable-profitability business model. If the plan is to mount a proper challenge for the top four, why are players refusing to sign contracts, citing precisely that as their reasons for wanting away?
I read that Moshiri's plans for the new stadium do not involve him actually putting his own actual money in. Dunno how true that is. The proposals for a 50,000-seat stadium seem unambitious for a club challenging for the Champions League. Most of the other Champions League contenders in England have bigger ones already, without having the freedom of a clean-sheet design.
I fear that Moshiri's (and his Russian mate's) priority is the acquisition of Liverpool property, with Everton ownership and funding simply sugar for the pill of any tricky negotiations with the Corpy. Am I talking out of my arse, or what?
2 Posted 12/06/2017 at 15:08:46
Who know? You might be right but, Moshiri in 12 months has done more than the World's Greatest Evertonian has done in 20 years.
3 Posted 12/06/2017 at 16:30:09
4 Posted 12/06/2017 at 16:58:19
5 Posted 12/06/2017 at 17:00:39
Could you advise me where I can find evidence of Barkley, who I assume is one of the players you refer to as refusing to sign their contracts, making any statement, let alone citing "Kenwright mid-table-comfortable-profitability business model. " as the reason for not signing?
Barkley and his agent have been almost silent on his reasons for not signing so I will be pleased if you can provide some proof to substantiate your post.
6 Posted 12/06/2017 at 18:05:28
You're not the only one concerned, however, if the current news re Klaassen and Sandro comes to fruition then things are looking a bit brighter.
Regarding Koeman's ultimatum to Barkley, the fact that he's not signed doesn't actually indicate WHY he hasn't. It might be purely down to money and greedy agent's as much as a perceived lack of ambition. Koeman came here because he could see Everton's ambition matched his own. And a huge pay rise of course.
Lukaku was, as I recall, bemoaning the fact that players we were supposed to be chasing chose to go elsewhere to savour Champions League football.
7 Posted 12/06/2017 at 18:12:42
He's represented by a big company based in LA.
8 Posted 12/06/2017 at 18:32:36
Fellini...would that be the Fellini of "Satyricon" fame. ;-)
9 Posted 12/06/2017 at 18:44:45
Yes, Barkley's reticence may be just a staring-out competition between his agent and Koeman. I hope that's what it is, and I hope that Koeman wins, even if it means losing Barkley to save face.
In the past, CL-standard players have stayed at Everton for a few seasons, before eventually moving on to potentially more successful clubs. Gravesen, Arteta and Fellaini spring to mind. Lukaku's behaviour, and Barkley's stand-off, suggest that a career at Everton is less attractive than it was then. It is as if, five or ten years ago, an ambitious player would stay at Everton, possibly speculating that the Club would deliver them to Champions League football, without any need for a transfer to a club already there. These recent developments suggest that the players already know that the Club's ambitions are smaller. I hope I am wrong, of course.
10 Posted 12/06/2017 at 19:14:11
Or maybe Spurs will offer the 㿔 million they are about to receive for Kyle Walker for Barkley... who knows?
Champions League player, though? You're having a laugh.
11 Posted 12/06/2017 at 19:40:32
I'd love to know what all the experts think is the right price for all these players!
12 Posted 12/06/2017 at 19:43:35
13 Posted 12/06/2017 at 19:47:14
14 Posted 12/06/2017 at 19:51:04
Not a lot to argue against in your post. I do think, though, that Champions League football appears to be the be-all and end-all for some players. They know that if they sign for a club in the Champions League, that they'll receive top money whatever happens and the thought of them sitting on a bench with the occasional cameo doesn't put them off at all. Sad.
15 Posted 12/06/2017 at 22:58:44
Lukaku is on a long term contract so if nobody's prepared to cough up 𧴜M, we are stuck with him. (Thank gawd!)
Keane is in the bag, I hear, as is Saints' reserve reserve rightback. And we've got all these kiddies World Cup winners to integrate. On the bench.
16 Posted 13/06/2017 at 06:56:32
Anyone know how much we still owe for Lukaku?
17 Posted 13/06/2017 at 07:03:55
18 Posted 13/06/2017 at 08:14:02
19 Posted 13/06/2017 at 13:58:14
I don't believe for a second that Ross is that motivated by money but his agent is leading things. I think the reality is that his agent thinks Ross' value is actually far more than it actually is.
I think it will be no surprise to see another two signings through the door and then Ross announced as signing a new deal. If we end up letting his contract wind down then Bill needs a kick.
20 Posted 13/06/2017 at 14:07:26
Secondly, if Ross chooses to run down his contract, it's not Bill's fault (for once). He can't be forced out of the door or sold against his will so, if he did run down his contract after the club trying everything possible, I'm afraid Bill would be blameless!
21 Posted 13/06/2017 at 14:36:47
22 Posted 13/06/2017 at 14:40:20
23 Posted 13/06/2017 at 15:19:13
Go back to when Koeman said: "The club will offer this player the contract a player like him is worth".
That says everything for me.
24 Posted 13/06/2017 at 16:53:09
I don't know the details of his offer, but I'll bet it would pay him more in a week that most, if not all, of us get in a year.
I hope Bill Kenwright doesn't take the decision on this the signings of the likes of Gascoigne & Ginola demonstrate why and also that bringing Rooney back would be an act of folly! We'd have to be crazy to let his example of the behaviour of a professional sportsmen anywhere near our youngsters like Tom Davies etc.
25 Posted 13/06/2017 at 18:29:17
Regarding his putting money into the club:
His net worth was put at 㿍m in 2015 in a Daily Mirror Premiership survey. Only the chairs of Norwich and Swansea were less wealthy.
Kenwright has two passions in his working/social life, live theatre and Everton FC. He is no Cameron Macintosh however he has put on a huge number of productions over the years. Doing so is expensive in money terms and exhausting otherwise as anyone will know who has been involved in any amateur dramatic production, much less several at a time.
At one time, as the trade press reported, he borrowed from every source possible to get "Blood Brothers" on Broadway. It paid off.
Likewise he did the same to buy his stake in Everton and subsequently to retain it.
The consortium of which he was a part paid 㿀m for some 23800 shares, valued at the time at around 𨀀 each. If reports are true, Farhad Moshiri bought 17150 shares at a price around per share. This gives a healthy profit indeed.
However, 㿀m invested at 8% compounded quarterly over 18 years would give a return of 䀀m and don't forget that Kenwright was paying interest on the loans. Whatever else he might have done, making his fortune isn't part of it.
If you are interested, you can however buy Everton shares for around each.
26 Posted 13/06/2017 at 18:39:55
Excellent post, Peter. I have to say while not being a "Kenwright apologist", "Luvvie Lover", or anything else some people get called on here for not being totally anti-Kenwright, I get annoyed at the number who slag the man rotten for anything and everything when it's quite obvious they know next to nothing about the financial goings on and who made how much etc etc.
Most of them I can't even be bothered to discuss the facts with as they've already decided he's "raped" the club of millions, which is as ridiculous as it is rubbish!
27 Posted 13/06/2017 at 19:16:22
Why ironic? Because you omit a great deal of detail from your timeline in reference to the purchases and subsequent releases of Gascoigne and Ginola.
Bill Kenwright was first enlisted as a director to the Everton board in 1989, a full 11 years before G&G were recruited.
In 1994 BK 'stepped aside' and did not pursue his bid to purchase the club, allowing Peter Johnson a free run to complete his buy-out. As 'reward' for this, Johnson installed BK as club vice-chairman, with Philip Carter returning as chairman. Not a junior member of the board at all then.
In 1999 - more than a year before either G&G were recruited by Walter Smith - BK bought out Johnson giving him a 68% controlling interest of the club. Rather than assume the club chairmanship for himself, he was happy for Philip Carter to retain that position until 2004 when, as you correctly say, BK became chairman.
That rather gives a very different slant on things than the one you offered in your own post. Quite clearly, BK although not chairman in title at the time of signing Gascoigne and Ginola, was very much the head honcho at the club, by any criteria you wish to apply.
I also distinctly remember a radio interview with BK in the summer of 2000 when he did indeed endorse the signing of Gascoigne with the following comments:
"We backed Walter Smith in the transfer market as much as we could and he did good business. But then I asked him 'What about something for me? Something for the fans to get excited about? The cherry on the cake?' And Walter said you mean someone like Gazzer? And I said 'Exactly!' And that's when we started actively looking to recruit Gascoigne."
I'm sure, a stickler for accuracy as you evidently are, you will appreciate my attempt to clarify a few facts on this episode.
28 Posted 13/06/2017 at 19:45:56
You make a good point about the repeated allegations that Kenwright was extracting money from the club (although fewer these days). I've often followed up on here and asked for proof: never forthcoming.
However, I think your point about Kenwright not being Chairman in 2004 hides the fact that Sir Phillip Carter was more of a figurehead, and that Kenwright as Vice-Chairman would have surely had a say in the acquisition of the two aging superstars.
Regarding Moshiri, my numbers are slightly different:
Number of Shares: 17,465 (49.9% of 35,000)
Share Value: ٣,000
Kenwright's shares sold: 4,788
Kenwright's partial cash-out: 㿃.94M
Average rate of return: 12.6% APR
So Bill did rather well out of his investment in Everton Shares; excellent log-term growth. But his payout didn't come from the club â€“ it came from Moshiri.
If the spot share price has risen to ٠k, that is showing some appreciation, but it still puzzles me why it is so far short of the implicit value Moshiri paid (٣k at least). Is it because this number has never been published directly, and spot purchases are private transactions dictated by admittedly a very small number of participants in that market?
29 Posted 13/06/2017 at 20:24:01
I don't know how much Kenwright borrowed in total but you'd have to knock the interest off any profit which brings it more into line with the return on a standard investment.
Take your point about Carter.
30 Posted 14/06/2017 at 00:38:00
For the record, I am neither excessively against or in favour of Bill; I think he's done many good things for our club & on balance his leadership has been positive. However, whilst an admirer of emotions, I firmly believe that, when being a key player in the management of a club, big decisions must be based upon the needs of the business and not driven by emotion & sentimentality.
As a footnote, if we pull off the signing of Pickford, I view it as very positive; but I think we need to retain Robles as well we need two decent keepers and I still think Robles has the makings of a very good one a few bad decisions (eg, conceding the penalty conceded against Burnley) have blemished his performances.
31 Posted 14/06/2017 at 19:36:31
Spurs have nine (9) players on this list. Walker is valued at â‚¬40mill. We tried to sign him for ٣ mill but were gazumped. If this is scientific, I confess to being left behind in all this progress.
32 Posted 15/06/2017 at 12:35:21
1. What is this rat we speak of?
2. That list cannot be right. Raheem Sterling at #15 and Marcus Rashford at #39 with Bale at #43? I know Ronaldo's brand is stronger than Bales but it's not 32 places stronger. That's without Dele Alli and Harry Kane being placed #2 and #3. I'd take Ronaldo or Messi for both those. I'd also place our Coleman above Kyle Walker #110 and definitely above Nathan Redmond #55.
That list is way off.
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