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Jon Saward
1 Posted 08/07/2017 at 00:00:36
I would like this to be true – especially at £30mil instead of £40mil, but I can't see it happening tomorrow.

And I've learnt not to trust much ITK news unless it comes from Paul Joyce at The Times this summer.

Jim Potter
2 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:03:39
Gylfi fee at £30 m? Then yes please. Not the mooted £40 m.
David Gallant
3 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:07:31
Strange one this, especially given the Rooney transfer, as I'd imagine Rooney will be playing that #10 role. I thought, in fact, that Rooney was brought in (partly) due to an acceptance that Swansea did not want to sell this close season and would dig their heels in on Sigurdsson.

I'd be very surprised if the club went for Gylfi and Rooney in the same window – maybe Koeman sees Rooney as a #9? Or Sigurdsson as a 'false 9'? I'd take Sigurdsson any day, he offers goal threat, brings others into play and is proven Premier League quality.

Geoff Lambert
4 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:10:03

How many of the starting 11 from our first game last season will be starting our first game this season????

Maarten Stekelenburg
Ramiro Funes Mori
Phil Jagielka
Mason Holgate
Idrissa Gueye
Gareth Barry
Leighton Baines
James McCarthy
Ross Barkley
Gerard Deulofeu
Kevin Mirallas

Brian Williams
5 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:17:09
Deal agreed "allegedly."
Gordon White
6 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:22:59
Yes please. He's such a playmaker. Takes people on. Makes things happen. Will contribute with goals too. Exactly what we've been missing. Get him, and someone like Giroud and most of the pieces will be in place.

All Koeman has to do is make them gel and work together as a team. Imagine him and Sandro pulling defenders out and getting behind them. And Messrs Rooney and Giroud too.

Well over a year ago, I felt we wouldn't be able to go forward as a team until Lukaku left. And probably Ross too. I'm in two minds about Ross still. But, when Seamus comes back from injury, everything else in in place.

And Lukaku is now Mourinho's problem again. Woo hoo! There is a God. Mr Sigurdsson? Yes please! Ooh! Suits you, Sir!

John Mckay
7 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:23:56
Not many Geoff!

Boom boom boom signing coming thick and fast. I usually enjoy the transfer window as much as the football but I think we've peaked too early this year. Come mid July we would have signed a new team and no more signings, nothing to look forward to on transfer deadline day.

It the equivalent to opening all your Xmas presents before Xmas day!


Some good signing so far. Maybe he wants to to use the Icelandic on the left or right of a 3 man attacking midfield. Who knows I'd rather have him than it have him.

Gordon White
8 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:24:46
Geoff (#4),

I reckon 2 of them have a chance, depending on how Koeman lines them up.

Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:35:00
John #7, absolutely right. Poor strategy by the club to stack so many signings right at the start of the window. Could have kept the ToffeeWebbers inside and safely out of the public eye through August.

But with all the business done, we will abandon our computers and flood the streets, committing unspeakable crimes out of sheer boredom.

The very fabric of society will come unraveled.

Gary Creaney
10 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:35:44
Baines and Gueye the only 2 from that line up.

Sigurdsson... Yes please. Giroud, not certain. Would rather see someone pacier.

Would also like to see another centre half. I've absolutely no faith in Jags, Williams or Funes Mori, in any combination. Our biggest downfall last season IMO was the centre of defence.

John Mckay
11 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:45:30
Assuming we sign some of the players we are linked with and the players we've got and assuming Bbolasie and Coleman are fit again, who would be your first 11?

Coleman - Williams - Keane - Baines
Schneiderlin - Gueye.
Bolasie - Ramirez - full.

Subs: Stekelenburg, Funes Mori, Jagielka, Davies, Mirallas, Lookman.

Hopefully we get Dembele from Celtic

Chris Jones [Burton]
12 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:50:25
In this day and age we need to think beyond the starting 11. Football is now a 13 or 14 a side game over 90 minutes. And if, as I hope, we are going to mount serious challenges at home and in Europe, well we need circa 20 players of (what would once have been termed ) 'starting 11' status.
Graham Mockford
13 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:02:46
I've always expected this one to happen. He was Walsh's No1 target this summer.

After that I still expect a centre forward, my choice would be Dembele but I suspect after Lukaku's departure we will go with someone with greater experience.

Of course signing Van Dijk would be great on both a footballing level but also as a massive fuck you to the RS.

Then I see a bit of a clear out. I suspect Robles, Barkley, McCarthy, Jags and Barry although maybe the final two will get another season.

David Ellis
14 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:40:28
John (#11)

I think Klaassen might be in there somewhere! However, I have no idea how we will line up or even how best to use a player like Rooney. Given the current squad fully fit I would say:

Coleman Keane Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gueye
Barkley Sandro Bolasie

Subs: Stekelenburg, Funes Mori, Davies, Rooney, Lookman

This means Jags, Barry, McCarthy, Mirallas, Robles etc not even making the match day squad on a regular basis (and with probably two more signing to come it will get even worse for them) so I agree, they will all likely move on other than Barry (who I think will make appearances and seems destined for a coaching role).

James Flynn
15 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:48:40
Keep Barkley, if he'll sign. He spent 3 seasons under "Go get em boys." Martinez. Showed no improvement in his all-around game. And was STILL plowing into 2-3 defenders as he did when a teenager.

Under the new coaching staff, last season, he cut that out. A baby step, yes. But a major one towards him actually learning the game.

I say keep him.

Phil Head
16 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:08:30
Starting eleven for Stoke, first game of the season, see if any of you can spot the frailties in the side?

GK - Pickford, RB - tbc, CB - Keane, CB -Jakielka/Williams, LB - Baines. DM - Schneiderlin, DM - Gueye. RAM -tbc, CAM - Klaassen, Sigurdsson? Rooney, Sandro and Barkley? LAM - tbc, STR - Giroud?

Before anybody suggests the names of Mirallas, Davies or Lookman in those wide areas, lets address those options first. Any team wanting to seriously gate crash those top four positions would be looking at sending the likes of Lookman and Calvert-Lewin on loan to the championship to get some serious game time.

As for Mirallas, well I'm sure most people will testify, the guys been stealing a living for far too long now, whilst the likes of Barkley and Deulofeu have been taking no end of flak, Mirallas seems to have gotten away with turning up once every 8-9 games with a half decent performance, yet seems somehow to keep his place in the side. For me, he'd be surplus to requirements.

Davies? Obviously I rate him very highly, but at this stage in his career, should he really be in the starting eleven, with everyone fit, for a champions league chasing club? I don't think so. By all means, bring him in against stronger opposition, playing a 4-3-2-1, but not at home to Stoke in a 4-2-3-1.

Anyhow, as you can see, the whole right hand side of our team is none existent, and there's not a single player with any pace what so ever. With both Bolasie and Coleman out till the new year, and Baines becoming less and less effective in the opposition half as each year passes, what quite the management expect 5 number 10's to do, with no pace upfront or in wide areas, is beyond me.

I hate to be a killjoy, but I can seriously see us being a disjointed mess of a team and this wave that we and the British media have been riding on all summer, will come crashing down and we'll all of a sudden be confronted with the fact that we've done a Tottenham, and spent all the (Bale, Modric) Lukaku, Barkley, Stones money and ended up with an inferior team.

David Pearl
17 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:15:01
The opening team of the season??

Holgate Keane Williams Baines
Schneider Klaassen
Barkley Rooney Sigurdsson

It's really hard to pick a first 11.
Davies, Gana, Barry, Jagielka, Mirallas could start the first game also.

Gana Schneiderlin Klaassen
Sandro Rooney. Barkley

Who knows !?!? It's anyone's guess

Hasan Noor
18 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:26:26
Sigurdsson is great, but I wouldn't mind Mahrez as he is a left footer and we need one in midfield/up front. Also we need a pacey striker.
Darryl Ritchie
19 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:45:25
We may or may not be better after all this, but we sure as hell are going to be different... and we aren't finished yet.

This will definitely be Koeman's team.

Players that can score 25 goals in a season are rare, but players that can score 10 to 15 aren't. And we have just signed a bunch of 'em.

John Pierce
20 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:11:02
Everton have for some time had a good to decent first XI, often a player or two beyond that.

What we are refreshingly seeing is depth and players who can step in, challenge each other and allow Everton to compete in all competitions.

Sigursdsson is an excellent example. I'm hoping Everton continue the spree. Get a centre back, left back and centre forward in.

Happy to see a couple go out, McCarthy and Besic perhaps.

The U23s might produce someone ready for the first team, based on the high talent we've bought.

Signs are good, Koeman now has the task of binning off the pragmatism for pragmatisms sake and adopt a more attacking style.

The best bit is Walsh appears to be bringing players not just for Koeman but beyond and for Everton. That means if Koeman can't hack it then we still have a talented squad for someone else to mould.

Starting to feel we are set up to succeed.

William Cartwright
21 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:33:48
Phil Head (16) (Richard?) How on earth can you be so negative with the progress we have made and the pressing philosophy to be adopted as has been used by all the best teams with enough skillful players to apply it. Beyond me why you even express an interest in football.
Jay Harris
22 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:56:37
My prediction is a 3-4-2-1:

Keane Williams Van Dijk (Hopefully)
Gueye Klaassen Schneiderlin Davies
Rooney Sigurdsson
Ramirez/ Giroud


Coleman Keane Van Dijk (Hopefully) BainesZ
Gueye Klaassen Schneiderlin
Bolasie Ramirez/ Giroud Sigurdsson

Will Mabon
23 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:13:39
William, you may think Phil has been negative, but I'll pick out one word for consideration – "Disjointed". It's difficult to make wholesale changes to a team. We've signed a fair few players so far and it may not be over.

If you took our team from one of the better performances last season, then stuck in three or four of the new outfield players and replayed the game, you'd get a very different performance, and likely not as good first time.

I'm not going to guess at Koeman's plans for integrating the new players, and tactical changes, but he's got a job on alright. Tottenham actually is an example of what can happen. Of course there's pre-season and early Europa League games to help somewhat. Perhaps it will all turn out fantastically but there's no way of knowing for certain.

No place for excessive optimism any more than outright pessimism. A pragmatic patience is called for, with fingers crossed.

Peter Roberts
24 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:19:09
Jay, 4 holding midfielders with no wing backs? Really? Talk about bout shoehorning square pegs into round holes. To me, those four are battling for two places. Expect McCarthy and Besic to be moved on (Barry maybe retained for one more year)
Steven Telford
25 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:20:04
What do you reckon is going through Barkley's mind at the moment, World Cup year and all.

Maybe he is looking to his agent saying, "Duhhhhhh but you said..."

If nobody comes in for him, I bet you he signs the deal and says, "It's because we matched his ambition in the transfer market."

Which some of our supporter will buy, and others will see for the bullshit that it is. If he signs that deal now, it will be like a cheating spouse showing up at the door with a bunch of roses.

David Currie
26 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:41:22
How does Williams get in anyone's first eleven, he is shit and not good enough, slow, not big enough, not strong in the air, slow on the turn, poor distribution. Both Funes Mori and Jags are better, Holgate also a better option.
Kieran Fitzgerald
27 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:43:48
I can't see us spending that much more unless two or three players leave for decent to big money. I know it seems like we have money to burn this summer. I know the Lukaku money will balance the books, but there is a part of me shouting 'stadium money' for months now.

Maybe this time around, the stadium money is ringfenced. Moshiri is the financial expert this time, not Kenwright. But Everton still aren't as flush as Man City or Chelsea.

Ian Jones
28 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:54:11
Steven, my guess is that, if Ross stays and signs a new contract, he won't say a word. He hasn't been too vocal about his situation at all.
John Smith
29 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:27:28
At Geoff (#4). Answer is probably 5? Baines, Funes Mori, Mirallas, Gueye and Holgate

(Those Cuco Martina rumors died fast.)

Peter Lee
30 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:56:20
Mirallas? Behave.
Phil Head
31 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:57:49
Actually William (Willy), the pressing game hasn't been used by all the best teams at all, just a select few. The vast majority of teams play a counter-attacking style of football, in which they sit back in numbers, encourage the opposition on, then break at speed once they intercept the ball.

The Premier League winners, no less, played in that manner. Willy, the only player to really press in their line-up was Kante and he's a defensive midfielder. Besides, my comment was not regarding our style of play, it was about recruitment; it just seems to me like we've used the Moneyball technique of scouting players on stats rather than actual strengths and weaknesses.

As for being negative, I'm just saying what I'm seeing, I personally find it extremely nauseating listening to your average football supporter celebrate every signing their club makes as though it's revolutionary. Funnily enough, it always seems to be the same people who are the first to criticize the same players/managers when things go wrong.

I'll be the first to admit, I was getting excited at the beginning of last Summer, when the likes of Koulibaly, Witsel, Mata, and Mertens were being pursued, they to me, were players that could take us to the next level and encourage other top class players to jump on board. When none of those signings materialized, we were forced to re-assess our capabilities and severely downgrade to the likes of Williams and Bolasie.

We now, in my opinion, seem to be throwing outrageous money at that standard of player, many of whom quite rigidly, play in the same position. So forgive me for actually voicing my opinion, rather than just regurgitating that of Jim White's like most others seem to be doing.

I'm not saying for one minute that all our signings are underwhelming, the likes of Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Rooney and Onyekuru have all been good signings in my opinion. I would have just liked us to have really pushed for a couple of marquee signings, seeing as though we've lost a couple in the form of Stones and Lukaku.

Sam Hoare
32 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:14:52
The best top 4 teams last season were built around inventive, dynamic attacks with pace to burn on the counter.

If our attack contains Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen and possibly Giroud that looks far too slow to me.

I would have thought it would be Rooney OR Sigurdsson. Not both. What we need now is a reliable central goal scorer, preferably one capable of holding the ball up (Giroud, or maybe Iheanacho) and then a Mirallas upgrade.

I'd love us to make a serious bid for a Thomas Lemar. It's very ambitious, Spurs and Arse want him, but beating these types of clubs to players would be a far bigger statement than bringing Rooney back...

James Morgan
33 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:29:55
I would love Sigurdsson to come in. I kind of agree a bit more pace wouldn't go amiss. I like Giroud as well but seeing as Deulofeu has gone, Mirallas is inconsistent and Lennon can't cut it at the level we want not to mention Bolasie being injured, someone like Gray or Dembele would also be welcome.
Stephen Wissett
34 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:51:39
Choices, Choices, Choices, great isn't it. Can't remember when we've had such options. Personally, I would select:

Kenny (in my opinion a better right-back than Holgate, whilst Coleman is injured..
Jagielka (based on end-of-season form)

Liam Walsh

Based on players signed and fit to date.

IMO, we must add another two strikers centre half, and Sigurdsson would be a great signing.

Robinson offers left-back cover for Baines, Coleman and Bolasie to return from injury and other options in:


Not a bad blend of youth and experience.


Colin Glassar
35 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:58:51
This is all very un-Evertonian, ie,. buying early, buying big, buying quality and having to mull over a starting XI etc . I sometimes feel like I'm dreaming all this and I'll wake up to find that Roberto is still the manager, Boys Pen Bill is still in charge,and we are fighting over a Brentford player with Newcastle.
Jim Potter
36 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:40:54
Colin (#34) – and he goes to Newcastle right? I've had that one too.
Colin Glassar
37 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:55:13
Exactly Jim.
Ronnie Pearce
38 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:07:56
People going on about pace. It's not very often you find a combination of speed of thought and foot in the same player.

What's best, a player with pace or a team that moves the ball at pace?
I prefer a team that can move the ball quickly and decisively. Players always look faster if they are moving on to the ball and turning defenders. The likes of Sigurdsson can spot a run and thread a ball to a player moving forward at full speed against a retreating defender.

Speed of thought often counters pace without guile.

Len Hawkins
39 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:30:21
Phil (#16),

Ever the optimist eh! Do you have the number for Dignitas just in case things go RIGHT?

Nigel Munford
40 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:38:30
NSNO reporting fee agreed with Swansea at £32 million.
Dave Williams
41 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:41:56
I agree Ronnie (#37). Last season we had a few who could break at pace but the final ball was poor. Ronald is buying decent footballers with brains and, as Dalglish showed, the first five yards is in the brain.

Yes the team will likely take some time to gel but the players bought are class players who should adapt quickly.

I don't see Rooney on the bench – I think he will play as the main striker which is his best position and he is more than capable of scoring a lot of goals with this standard of player around him and Sandro doing his running and creating space.

I can't believe some of the negativity – are these people the same ones who said Lukaku was a waste of money at £28m??

Dave Speed
42 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:54:13
I don't believe that there are direct comparisons between Rooney, Barkley and if we get Gylfi, who will play the No 10 and so on. Gylfi if we get him plays anywhere except defence. Rooney is the main No 10. Barkley, if he stays, will have to play where he's played, probably floating around off the leash to see if he can cut it as he is too undisciplined to hold formation.

There is also the issue of a shed load of games, suspensions, injuries and so on to deal with. I don't think even Rooney expects to play every minute of every game. They will all get enough opportunities to help the cause to keep them sweet and competitive, and we'll be the better for it.

Keep buying, Ron, until we can buy no more. Retail therapy? Didn't realise how much of a buzz it was!

Alasdair Mackay
43 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:59:39
I feel like, if this happens, it spells the end for Barkley.

I would rather have Barkley than Siggudsson.

John Mckay
44 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:25:08
Dave Speed (#41).

We have a good solid team now and bench. We still need a couple more players but we will be able to replace quality with quality.

Dave Speed
45 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:35:20
Agree totally, John (#43). Sorry if I implied that stuffing the wardrobes with unused rubbish for the sake of buying was what I meant.

It just feels good and I want us to get all of our realistic buying targets this window, and maybe one or two of the unrealistic ones. What's Ronaldo's buy out fee?

Iain Love
46 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:53:14
When all fit we had a strong 1st eleven. Now we have a strong bench as well, which is vital considering European competition.
Mike Allison
47 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:57:12
David at #3 sums up a lot of fans who still don't quite seem to 'get it'.

You're worried about where two, quite different, players will fit in the '11'? Who cares? We'll use 14 players every game, probably 18-20 every week and around 25-30 over the course of the season.

We want as many top quality players who can win matches as possible. We want 25 first team players and we want to compete in four different competitions playing pretty much twice a week for the entire season.

To do that the only problem is whether Sigurdsson and Rooney will be enough or do we need more, not that we've got one so we don't need the other.

Mike Berry
48 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:58:29
I can see Giroud following Sigurdsson as they would be made for one another.
Brian Harrison
49 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:08:54
I thought Koeman wanted a high energy high pressing game, now maybe you can get away with one of either Rooney or Sigurdsson but definitely not both. Pochettino got rid of Sigurdsson because he was to slow getting around the pitch, since then Spurs regular top 4 team.

Yes he is very good from deadball situations but this is not the NFL you cant bring him on just to take free kicks. For me leave well alone. I also wonder, if we do sign Sigurdsson as well as Rooney, where does that leave the development for Tom Davies.

Christopher Timmins
50 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:19:10
If Sigurdsson comes then Rooney does not play, simple as! Rooney signing is a Bill Kenwright production! Treat the Rom deal as being £90,000,000 including any add on amounts.

We need one more central defender, cover at left back and now the most important signing of the summer a direct replacement for Rom.

Sam Hoare
51 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:24:06
"The likes of Sigurdsson can spot a run and thread a ball to a player moving forward at full speed"

But who are these players making runs be?! I see only Sandro as a reliable first team option in this mood.

It's about balance surely. You need players who can see and thread the balls but you also need some pace and movement to provide those runs. I see excess of the former and not enough of the latter.

And the 'we need lots of players' argument is pretty unhelpful. By that criteria let's just buy everyone! I'd rather buy the types of players we lack first before we start doubling up...

Alasdair Mackay
52 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:44:41
You need 2 players for each position.

Gk - Pickford / Stekelenburg
Rb - Coleman / Kenny (Holgate)
Rcb - Keane / Jagielka / Holgate
Lcb - Williams / Funes Mori / Pennington
Lb - Baines / Robinson
Dmf - Gana / Besic
Deep midfielder - Schneiderlin / Barry
Box-to-Box - Davies / McCarthy
No. 10 - Klaassen / Barkley
Lw - Mirallas / Lookman
Rw - Bolasie / Lennon
Cf - Rooney / Sandro / Calvert-Lewin

Under Koeman, we don't often play a right-midfielder. We allow our No 10 to drift to the right, but leave space for Coleman to break into. Based on that – where are the problem areas?

We need a long-term Barry replacement and a decent LCB (assuming Funes Mori gets moved on). Everything else is replacing departing players like McCarthy, if they go.

Sean Randles
53 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:46:28
Groan, I can't believe you spent all that time putting such a divisive article together at a time when the club is now going places.

It's going to cost us about £20m in wages for a 2 year deal which is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. He wont be a starter every game but his very presence will have a massively positive impact on the club.

It's a bargain, its going to happen, so get behind him and the club... and enjoy the ride like the rest of us...

Tom Bowers
54 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:52:50
Not so sure about this move anymore now that Rooney will be back. They can play similar roles, the only difference being the age and the fee. Doesn't make sense but who knows.

Personally another top striker would be the obvious move to compliment Sandro.

Chris James
55 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:56:31
Would be delighted if this comes off, although I suspect it'll be more than £30M – maybe it'll be £30M in the way the Lukaku transfer was £75M (i.e. with add-ons).

I think we've already had £30m rejected elsewhere and read yesterday somewhere we'd gone back with £32M. I remain convinced the final figure will be closer to £35M which I think is representative market value.
(I.e. we think Barkley is apparently worth £40M+)

With Siggy in then it's all about other forward options for him (and Rooney) to feed and Sandro to play off. We clearly need someone with height and presence, which is why I think Giroud makes sense, although I'd also like to see a Dembele type if the cash is there (if we do spend another £50M+ on Siggy + Giroud I suspect further forwards will decent require sales first - McCarthy and/or Barkley being obvious options). Relatedly, I actually think McCarthy to Leicester is a good move all round, they badly missed a defensive mid.

Ronnie Pearce
56 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:59:28
Sam (#49), I wasn't advocating for a side with no pace up front. I agree that you need a balance.

My point was that when a team moves the ball quickly, defenders can be wrong footed and forced to turn. Players don't think have to be lightning quick when facing a turning opponent as long as they already have decent forward momentum.

Too many times last season it appeared to me that defences could organise themselves to quite easily deal with a slow build up by Everton. I'm pretty sure that we would all like a side capable of incisive football. Sigurdsson and even Wayne Rooney offer a bit more in that aspect than our present midfield can , in my opinion.

BTW, I would love Ross to develop that side of his game because he has shown he can do it in the past.

Jack Convery
57 Posted 09/07/2017 at 12:05:07
Before the window opened I wanted Butland, Van Dijk, Sigurdsson and Vardy.

We have Pickford, Keane, Sandro, and probably Rooney. I am very pleased with those signings. If the others had arrived I'd have been ecstatic.

I still hope we can get Van Dijk and Vardy.

Just afraid I'm going to wake up and find out we've actually bought Deeney and Walters which would have been the old EFC!

Derek Knox
58 Posted 09/07/2017 at 14:57:39
I do hope we get this guy, but, in many ways, I think it will hinge on Barkley going to whoever, Spurs or Arsenal, and personally I hope that is the case.

He has had so many opportunities, to make a statement, both for us and England, but apart from the odd game, basically, he has flattered to deceive.

Matthew Williams
59 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:19:53
It's truly amazing what a very smart Billionaire is capable of... I'm fucking loving this!!!


David Currie
60 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:35:56
Would love to see Barkley stay rather than sign Sig, really believe Ross will benefit now the big lazy lump has gone. Think playing with someone like Sandro will suit Barkley's game. Can't wait to see a new look team and hope Ross is part of it.
David Barks
61 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:42:54

Yeah, it was all those goals Lukaku scored that hurt Barkley. All his fault that Barkley takes 5 seconds to do a 180-degree turn with the ball, constantly got caught in possession, couldn't pick his head up while on the ball, and couldn't even be named as a reserve to the England squad.

You want to talk about poor first touch, Barkley takes that award hands down. It's all the managers that have it wrong with Barkley. Funny how not a single club has come in for him, don't ya think?

Geoff Lambert
62 Posted 09/07/2017 at 17:53:15
Barkley going!!!

The Sig is very near to completing...

Dennis Ng
63 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:01:43
What baffles me is that Barkley didn't sign his new contract yet, after the splurge of signings we have.

With Lukaku gone, I can see Barkley being converted to a forward, isn't that what he started off as?

I would love Sigurdsson here and show Barkley the ropes to playing his position. I can see both co-exist. Then again, I'm optimistic.

Brent Stephens
64 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:03:56
Source, Geoff? Or guess?
Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:07:02
Wales Online says the deal is close:

Mike Green
66 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:12:01
Coleman, Williams, Keane, Baines
Gana, Schneiderlin
Sigurdsson, Rooney, Ramirez

Trevor McKinlay
67 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:13:04
Mike (#64), that article just cites media reports from the Mirror and others. Doesn't add anything to suggest a deal is close.
Graham Mockford
68 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:14:48
Mike (#64),

Let's hope so, I've always been a big fan. There seems to be a lot of reaction that says we need quicker players but what I like about our acquisitions is that we will have a lot more goalscoring options.

The last four years have pretty much been a one man show, but in Klaassen, Sandro, Rooney and hopefully Sigurdsson we have four players who can get double figures.

Mark Dunford
69 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:18:40
A centre forward and a left sided midfield player seem to be the most obvious gaps. Mahrez could be good. We've yet to replace Pienaar.
John Hammond
70 Posted 09/07/2017 at 19:32:44
I think for the Europa League qualifying and probably start of the season we'll see Rooney up front, Sandro playing off him/pulling wide, Klaassen sat behind those two pushing the team forwards and the rest picks itself.

Klaassen is going to be the main man I think. Injuries and a good run in Europe means everyone should be getting decent game time. If Sigurdsson is signed, then that's bye-bye to Barkley. Another centre-forward will surely be signed too.

Colin Glassar
71 Posted 09/07/2017 at 19:50:52
Please don't use the 'I'-word John.
Geoff Lambert
72 Posted 09/07/2017 at 20:55:23
Brent, same source that told me Keanw and Sandro, mate.

He also got told this is nowhere near the end of our spending...

Gary Willock
73 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:18:27
Pickford (Stekelenburg)
Kenny (Coleman), Williams (Jagielka), Keane (Funes Mori), Baines (Robinson)
Schneiderlin (Barry), Gueye (McCarthy)
Rooney (Bolasie), Davies (Mirallas), Klaassen (Lookman)
Sandro (Calvert-Lewin)

Plus: Besic, Holgate, Williams, Dowell, Walsh, and Pennington all maybe pushing through = wow!

Add in another decent keeper if Robles goes, a top class striker (Giroud/Ariel type) and maybe Sigurdsson as additional cover for the '3 musketeers' behind the striker, and we will be absolutely smokin' ;)

Just a shame Barkley had ballsed things up this long. The thought of him alongside Tom and Wayne in a derby is one to drool on. Ah well... four scousers still ain't bad!!

Kunal Desai
74 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:29:48
Paul Joyce has also confirmed the deal. He hasn't been wrong with any of our summer transfers. Probably be completed in the next few days by all account.
Chris James
75 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:35:48
Based on current form and consistency, I think Sigurdsson is a step up from Ross.

Barkley definitely has all the tools in his locker, but for some reason he's not able to put it all together regularly enough on the pitch.

He's also clearly being told by his agents that he's a superstar and can secure a role at a top club, which is a shame as I'd love him to play a part in the exciting new team that we're building and hopefully improve along with it.

Tim Kells
76 Posted 09/07/2017 at 22:27:22
Can't see Barkley staying. He had the ultimatum at the end of the season and choose not to sign. Think he'll be gone towards the end of the window for maybe £15M as we won't want him to leave for nothing.

Delighted if we sign Siggy.

Dennis Ng
77 Posted 09/07/2017 at 22:55:23
Geoff (#71), quite scary to think we're playing almost an entirely new team from last season. Hope this doesn't affect our academy and the kids coming through towards prime time.

Get the Siggy deal done and give Barkley a hairdryer. That boy needs to stop listening to his agent.

David McMullen
78 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:12:27
Defo want us to sign Sugurdsson and hopefully Giround. We still could do with one or two more after that! Josh King maybe from Bournemouth?
Getting all these players for me would mean the end for the likes of Barry, McCarthy, Besic even.
John Mckay
79 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:14:35
Anyone know when Coleman is due back?
Wonder if he'll be the same player?

We seem a little weak on that right side now most notably the wing, Coleman done the job of a RB and a winger most of the time but think we are just lacking a bit on that side.

Rooney in the bag. Looks like siggy could sign in the next few days so who else is next after that.

Girould or Dembele from Celtic. Think Dembele got more potential but risky coming from the Scottish league. Having said that Dyjk come from the Scottish league to Soto and he comes with a 60m price tag.

Need to eventually replace the aging Baines as well hasn't been the same player since pienarr and Baines partnership last season Moyes was in charge.

Mike Gaynes
80 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:39:20
John, nobody knows when Coleman will be back. Best guess is end of the year. But until he starts training, there's no way to tell. Same with Bolasie.
David Currie
81 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:07:31
David 60, Hope I will be wrong but think Ross will end up at Spurs. He would benefit from having a striker in front of him who has more mobility and better movement than a static target that was often Lukaku.

Talking of poor first touches and giving up possession am sure like me you are glad we just sold one who always struggled with that part of his game.

Matthew Collins
82 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:29:31
Interesting question, Geoff (#4).

I think only two; Baines and Holgate. Gueye is a maybe + Kenny might have a chance at right-back but I think Holgate's experience will put him higher in Koeman's estimation.

Ian Pilkington
83 Posted 10/07/2017 at 01:03:48
A rejuvenated Ross before Sigurdsson for me. I just can't understand why so many want Ross replaced by a player four years older who was a relative failure at Spurs. Another striker must be our priority.
Chris Jones
84 Posted 10/07/2017 at 02:37:48
Gone are the days of stockpiling defensive midfielders... we're doing it with No 10s now!

Still think we need someone with real pace to feed off all the breathtaking through balls these lads are going to provide.

Will Mabon
85 Posted 10/07/2017 at 02:54:16
Rumours that the bid has been raised to £32m. Far too much. Sold by Spurs who are believed to want Barkley. Then again, Pochettino is an attack-minded manager that likes pace.

It's crazy that people suggest accepting half the amount for Barkley.

"He's also clearly being told by his agents that he's a superstar and can secure a role at a top club, which is a shame as I'd love him to play a part in the exciting new team that we're building and hopefully improve along with it."

We don't know what his agents are saying. He was clearly told out in public by Koeman that he wasn't good enough. That was a shame, to give it one description.

Ashley Roberts
86 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:00:04
If Barkley stays then we would have Rooney, Sigurdsson, Davies and Klaassen all vying for the same position. Personally I hope Ross stays and so do not believe we need Sigurdsson.

We still need some attackers to partner Sandro. I would like to see Dembele and Girroud. Strikers come before another midfielder. I also think Davies is a future England International and needs game time.

I also cannot believe the number of posts that include Gueye and Schneiderlin in a future Blues team. Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders in the same team? If we want to break in to the top 4 then we are going to have to change the system to wanting to win each game rather than not to lose.

None of the top 4 clubs from last year played with 2 defensive midfielders and so we are going to have to change the way we play. So I would really like to understand why we need both? We also need pace in midfield and upfront and I am not sure Sigurdsson provides this.

Also, I watched Klaassen in the Europa League final against Man Utd and he hardly touched the ball so I was not too impressed. So it is definitely another striker we need at this moment.

Mike Gaynes
87 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:04:22
Ian, what "rejuvenated" Ross? Ross is Ross. He is what he is.

Three seasons have passed since Sigurdsson's "failure" at Spurs.

In those three seasons:

Sigurdsson (112 appearances, League and Cup): 30 goals, 30 assists
Barkley (123 appearances, League and Cup): 20 goals, 19 assists

That might be a small hint as to why "so many want Ross replaced by a player four years older "

James Watts
88 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:30:12
Will (#83). I don't think it's crazy to accept half of that for Barkley. He has one year left. Then he walks for free. Surely better to get that now, if indeed someone wants to pay that, than nothing?

I mentioned a while ago that we'd be lucky to get £15 to 20m let alone the 50m it was stated at the time. I got poo pooed (wanted to write this just to use that phrase) by many but it's not looking good for the lad if we do indeed land Sigurdsson. Which I expect us to do now Lukaku has gone and we have further funds. The buying team knows this along with his contract and along with the fact Koeman doesn't really fancy him. All that points to around a £15m to 20m valuation, if we're lucky.

Assuming we get Sigurdsson, Barkley will be 4th choice (depending on formation, he could be further down the pecking order) and it's pretty much his own fault as he hasn't signed a bloody decent contract by all accounts.

One final thing. Koeman has only said what most of us realised on here, he needs to improve. And he hasn't. Although foolhardy for getting a good price for him, I'm guessing it was designed to wake him up, and it didn't really work. Barkley has all the talent in the world but there is something seriously lacking in him to push him on. What that is, I don't know.

So in short, if we were offered £15 to 20 mill for him, I'd snap their hands off right now.

John Pierce
89 Posted 10/07/2017 at 04:59:56
Ash, 84. I believe you are right regarding defensive midfielders.

I think at home especially Gueye is most at risk and should be. Despite his obvious talents, he's limited on the ball.

Two defensive midfielders so many times last year, betrayed by the substitutions so early in games.

Winning more games is about attacking and Koeman will have to show me his dour pragmatism was just that, based on limited attacking options last year.

I would hope with the injection of players Koeman has been given a target and expectation to meet. Otherwise whats the point!?

Will Mabon
90 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:12:49
Mike @ 85, I don't know if you personally have said such, but many have acknowledged that the presence of Lukaku and our playing to his strengths has limited the spread of goals around the team. This is valid and there are precedents.

Given that and other factors, I feel Barkley's figures stand up quite well. Other factors being: the different style played by Swansea, having never had a goal scorer near Lukaku's return. The mess of Roberto's team in the quoted period. The very precise passes often required to assist Lukaku. The lack of movement of Lukaku. Koeman's tactics often seen away from home. And, I believe, not the best relationship between player and manager.

Ross takes no penalties. I admit Sigurdsson is a free-kick specialist. His corners and dead ball deliveries are better (Assists), though Ross has shown equal in this area in the past.

Those stats in the context of the above are not so bad. People talk about Barkley as if he's crap. Many use ridiculous and flawed selective memory, or just rubbish, someone recently "Sick of his lack of pace"!

I could dissect further and link specific Barkley goals and assists that I feel Sigurdsson has neither the pace or dribbling abilities to deliver. How far to go?

Sigurdsson is an accomplished and mostly consistent player. He isn't I feel, the 90 minute midfield dynamo that some may expect. He's also a little slow and sometimes static. There are things he can't do that Barkley can. Put quotes around it by all means, but he failed to make it at Spurs. The same manager/club appears keen on Barkley.

James in post 86 below you, states what a few have noted more recently – Koeman doesn't fancy him. There's plenty of evidence. That could conceivably be a big factor in where Ross is right now.

David Currie
91 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:19:18
Great post Ian 81, Not sure Sigurdsson can do it for a big club. Barkley is a better player and 4 years younger and convinced his best is to come. Sigurdsson failed at Spurs and apart from us have heard only Leicester are interested.
Will Mabon
92 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:28:46
James @ 86,

You're technically correct in your assessment of the financial aspect, should it pan out in a certain way. I probably didn't word that as I should've.

It seems ludicrous to me at least, there's a possibility of paying two and a half times or more for Sigurdsson, than we might get for Barkley. In quality terms alone, this is regrettable, and ultimately wasteful.

I agree that Barkley needed some help. Hailed as a master coach, I hoped Koeman might facilitate. We might never know what was possible, because frankly, he's handled Ross very badly in my opinion.

Michael Morgan
93 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:36:02
I'd personally like Ross to stay over signing Gylfi.

If you look at the stats over past 2 years, their isn't a lot of difference to justify amount that Swansea want.

Ross has played 74 premier league games, has scored 13 and had 16 assists.

Gylfi has also played 74, has scored 20 and had 16 assists.

Ross created 67 chances to Gylfi's 62, and was third highest and only behind Christian Eriksen and Kevin De Bruyne.

I also personally think Koeman doesn't fancy him, to the point of publicly demanding him to perform better or be dropped on several occasions. Whilst other players who constantly underperformed like Lukaku were praised.

I also personally think that's why he hasn't signed the contract on offer as he feels under appreciated. I just can't see the contract being offered as the only sticking point (that's if it is £100k a week as quoted as he's on £40,000 now).

If it is money related, then Tottenham definitely won't be bidding for him as Christian Eriksen who was the top creator in the league last year is only on £75k a week and Dele Alli is only on £50k a week.

I'd take losing him for £15-20M as someone mentioned earlier than lose him for nothing.

James Watts
94 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:42:57
Just to play devil's advocate Will, one could also argue Sig has played in a much poorer team than Ross therefore having those better highlighted stats is remarkable. Don't forget the mess Swansea were in as well.

Haven't checked the stats (I'll let Mike do that as he likes his stats 😉) but I'm guessing we've scored a lot more goals and created more chances than Swansea over this period. So for someone like Sig to have those stats is remarkable and in a better team he'll go to the next level!? Unless it's spurs!

For what it's worth I think Barkley has had his chance, time and time again, so I wouldnt be disappointed if we replaced him with Sig as on current form hes an upgrade.

Steven Telford
95 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:49:49
The thing with Ross is not his lack of ability (although he has a lot to prove), it's now his attitude towards the club. Here we are, his boyhood club, gave him all the support on the world, stuck by when he broke his leg as a young lad etc, and now he treats us like this. When Colman broke his leg, the first thing Bill did was call him to say, "don't worry your contact is still there". That's the sort of club we are.

Now, If Ross wants to go, fair enough, but he should have afforded us the dignity of being straight and saying so. Instead, we are subject to these games played by him and his grubby agent.

Frankly speaking, EFC doesn't deserve that. I believe he wanted to 'manufacture the appearance' of being force out. Thankfully Koeman and the club did not take the bait.

If we has not signed up by the beginning of the season, Koeman shouldn't play him (bar injuries). It's a World Cup year, if Ross is so deluded and money orientated that the prospect of a few extra grand somewhere else is enough to make him throw a season away with his boyhood club, then so be it.

Michael Morgan
96 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:15:30
Thanks James 92 if the stat comment was for me lol.

Ref Ashley 84, this could also be what Koeman is aiming for, a more attack minded midfield over a defensive.

More options for if a Plan A doesn't work, you never know I suppose.

I read an article recently that West Brom were keen on Barry, that coupled with the rumoured interest in McCarthy by Newcastle and Burnley.

Koeman might be trying to reduce the number of defensive midfielders and replacing with more creative midfielders.

Mike Gaynes
97 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:54:09
James (#92), correct. Sigurdsson has been involved in more than half of Swansea's goals. That's remarkable. Only six of his goals have been from pens.

Will Mabon, I certainly don't think Barkley is "crap", but I think only an Everton fan with fuzzy glasses (better wipe yours off, Mr Currie!) would consider him to be a better player than Sigurdsson. I've watched the two players a lot, and IMO it's no contest. The biggest difference is one that isn't covered in the statistics... mistakes. Ross turns the ball over in bad situations and puts his defense under stress. Sigurdsson simply doesn't. He's as safe and intelligent on the ball as any player in the Premier Leaguue. He makes good choices. That's Ross' biggest weakness.

My guess... and it's only that... is that both will be with us come August, and their competition for that position should be fun to watch. But we will need both in this grinder of a season.

James Watts
98 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:54:23
Haha, you're off the hook Michael. Was meant for Mike Gaynes!
Sam Hoare
99 Posted 10/07/2017 at 07:44:32
In terms of senior central playmakers we now have Rooney, Klaassen and Barkley vying potentially for one role depending on what formation we play. I imagine we'll play a 4-3-3 with two holding midfielders.

In terms of senior wide players we have Bolasie (injured), Mirallas, Lennon and possibly Sandro vying probably for two roles.

We seem far shorter on quality options who provide width to my eye and well stocked for central playmakers. Perhaps you could play Rooney or Barkley out wide but I don't think it suits them.

I like Sigurdsson but I just don't see him as a top 4 player or with the potential to develop into one. A lot of his influence derives from his brilliant set-piece delivery though I wonder who would be taking set-pieces in a team that also contains Rooney and Sandro.

I'd rather add someone who adds lightning pace, work rate movement and perpetual motion in the way of Mane, Son or Sane to stretch the defences so the likes of Rooney and Klaassen have someone to pick out. I guess Sandro will be doing this too but I think another option is needed.

Carl Taylor
100 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:23:14
I know we shouldn't get hung up on what 'Farhad's best mate' Jim White says... but, he's been on Talksport claiming that there are 3 more new signings to come. Assuming Sigurdsson is one, who are the other two?

That question is for Geoff Lambert!! 😁 (Don't usually use emojis, but I can't wipe the smile off my face at present)

James Morgan
101 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:39:35
Carl, I reckon Sigurdsson, Giroud and hopefully someone like Demarai Gray, though I would like a young left back to come in and we are a bit short at right back. Saying that, young Kenny and Robinson are highly rated within the club and it would be great to see them given a chance.

As for the Barry and McCarthy potential departures, we would have Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies and Besic for the defensive side of things in midfield, maybe then Ross could be given a more box to box role like what we might expect Klaassen to do.

On a side note, wouldn't it be great to see Baines, Davies, Barkley and Rooney all in the same team, four local blues playing for their club.

Vijay Nair
102 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:40:56
Swansea vice chairman has apparently confirmed the Sigurdsson sale

Brian Harrison
103 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:45:02
Well if Sigurdsson signs and we add Giroud with Rooney and Barkley, I don't know about challenging for the title, more likely apply to Barclay's Walking Football League.

Ronald, what happened to high intensity and high pressing game? Or have you revised your ideas to slow slow and slower still?

Chris Williams
104 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:49:15
Sigurdsson, striker and wide left attacker for me. That is without anybody else leaving.

If Barkley, McCarthy, Mori leave then certainly need to replace Mori like for like, but not sure about replacing the other two, if the 3 signings above pan out.

White seems Moshiris chosen one for some reason and certainly called Rooney right.

Tony Dove
105 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:02:38
Sam @97. Agreed. If we end up with The Sig and Giroud we will be woefully short of pace. The grass is always greener on the other side but is the 28-year-old

Spurs reject really a better long term prospect than Ross? I calculate we are still a few million in credit on the deals made up to now but further sales will be made to fund any more acquisitions and Ross would be the biggest asset in that respect. I therefor fear the worst.

Chris Williams
106 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:14:37
By the sound of it Sigurdsson is a done deal judging from the noises coming out of Swansea, so that makes Barkley surplus to requirements, with Sigurdsson, Klaassen and Rooney there. He will get his wish and leave presumably.

Reports already saying conversations have taken place between Koeman and Giroud, but who knows how true that is?

Best to leave it all until the fat lady sings and see what we've got when the window closes. My bet it will be better collectively than what we started with.

Chris James
107 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:25:48
Have we not signed anyone today yet? I'm getting impatient ;-)
Jim Burns
108 Posted 10/07/2017 at 11:29:47
The dream signing now would be Van Dijk – and a wide one up the RS's proverbial.
Andrew Ellams
109 Posted 10/07/2017 at 11:49:49
Vijay @ 100 the Swansea vice chairman hinted that somebody was leaving. Swansea have also received a bid from Burnley for Jack Cork. It was a very cryptic tweet.
Jack Plant
110 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:04:58
If we sign him it's surely the end for Barkley. Klaassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson all coming in ahead of him. My only worry is, if we sign Giroud as well, it's a pretty slow forward line.
Colin Glassar
111 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:15:30
Jim, I think the dream signing, after Siggi, would be Dembele up top. Now, he would be the icing on the cake.
Tony Hill
112 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:17:14
The latest report has Swansea wanting £45m and Leicester being prepared to go over £40m. This is, no doubt, all part of the negotiation game but I do hope we don't overpay for this player. Good but not that good.
Chris Williams
113 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:20:56
Who Knows, one report citing £50m as the fee, same as Barkley.

Much will depend on the player in this I suspect, who could more than double his wages. He has let it be known he wants to go reportedly.

Terry Aylward
114 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:22:13

Just because a player doesn't succeed at one club it doesn't necessarily mean he won't make it at another. If that were the case, we wouldn't have got the Lukaku goals, Man City wouldn't have got De Bruyne, Liverpool wouldn't have Salah.

And sometimes the opposite applies as Chelsea found out after they signed Torres from Liverpool.

Brian Williams
115 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:25:21
I'd stick with the rumoured £32m offer and see where he wants to go. Wouldn't get into a bidding war and pay over the odds.

Soon see if he was ambitious or purely money driven, that's as long as a £32m bid was accepted, which would be eventually if he said "Not going to Leicester, I want to join the Everton revolution."

Chris Gould
116 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:29:42
I'm guessing this may have already been said, but Sig and Giroud would be a match made in heaven. I would assume that Giroud would be played up top with Rooney/Klaasson behind, Sandro to Rooney's left and Sig on his right.

A very formidable front 4. Sigurdsson would set up Giroud for countless heading opportunities, much like he has done this season for Llorente.

Tim Kells
117 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:44:38
Giroud has flown out to Australia with Arsenal so nothing happening there anytime soon, at least for the next week or so.
John Hoggarth
118 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:57:10
Sky Sports News saying that Swansea haven't received any offers for the Sig and that Everton would have to pay £50m to sign him. Way too much, if true.
James Morgan
119 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:58:56
£50m would be excessive. I reckon £35 would be about right. For £50m I'd stick an extra £10m on and go for Rodriguez from Real!

One rumour though probably bollocks was a swap plus £2m with Barkley.

Steve Ferns
120 Posted 10/07/2017 at 13:05:24
Giroud ain't coming north. He and his missus love the London scene. If he leaves Arsenal, he will stay in London.
Neil Thomas
121 Posted 10/07/2017 at 13:14:19
James (#116), I totally agree, if were going into that sort of price range, why not go full out and pay extra for the likes of James or Asensio from Madrid? £50m is way too much.
James Macdonald
122 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:14:21
I cannot believe the club would contemplate £50 million. Let's look at the maths £50 million & £135k per week equates to £375k a week for 4 years for a guy nearly 28 (i.e. We will get peak years out of him tops).

Pay Ross what he is asking for and/ compromise better player with more potential and effectively a free transfer. If Ross has set his mind on going and this is not about cash for him (which I suspect is the case), we are well stocked with Number 10s anyway and should invest all the cash in a striker

Barry Sherlock
123 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:16:39
Everyone bemoaning a lack of pace... it,s early in the transfer window yet. Plenty of time to reassess what we need during the early stages of pre-season.

But; Sandro, Bolasie, Coleman, Mirallas, Lennon, Lookman,& Klaassen. All of these players are pacey. All can take a player on and they all know where the net is!!

Whoever we bring in will be a good fit to the rest of the squad. I trust Walsh and I trust Koeman. I don't think Giroud will be the answer IMHO. I think the striker will be someone from the continent who can do the job. But time will tell.

Derek Knox
124 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:18:07
I must admit, and I wouldn't mind, guessing I'm not the only one too, asking, what is going on with this Sigurdsson Saga?

One report stating that the player has agreed, as have Swansea, then we see today, that It's £50M or nothing.

Could someone please enlighten me?

Colin Glassar
125 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:31:20
Swansea are well within their rights to ask for an exorbitant fee but I wouldn't go a penny over £35m. He's good, very good but anything above that and we are talking top-of-the-range players.

It also sounds like he's settled in the valleys so good luck to him and we move on.

As for Giroud and his misses enjoying the London night life well he's never had a bevvy in Liverpool on a Friday night followed by a kebab and chips, has he? Doesn't know what he's missing.

Gordon Crawford
126 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:34:54
Clearly nothing has been agreed, and I don't think it will either. Swansea know that Everton have money to burn, so they will put the price up to a ridiculous £50m. I think we should stay well clear at this price. The football world has went mad.
Henrik Lyngsie
127 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:37:37
What about Swansea, Leicester and Everton sat around the table and agreed on a triangular swap deal. Sigurdsson to Leicester, Barkley to Swansea and Mahrez to Everton? No fees involved.

Apparently they are all valued £50 million.

Michael Morgan
128 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:43:58
Colin (#109), Dembele for me too. He scored 32 times in 48 games last season. Although most of it coming in Scotland, I'd be happy if he scored half that amount in his first season in English top flight as he is still only young.

Apparently Marseille are after him, so better move quick. I think at £25-30 million, it's a steal, and if he goes to them, he'll bang in the goals over there. Then someone in England will have to pay at least double for him a year later.

Sigurdsson at £50 million as quoted today is a no from me. Keep Barkley, and move on to more needed positions. Think we need a backup for Baines or replacement. At least one more pacey winger and one more striker as well as Dembele.

Carl Taylor
129 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:44:17
Way too high a price. Hold on and Swansea will either have a distracted player, we've been there ourselves (Lescott and Stones to name 2), or will accept a more realistic fee.

On another note, we've yet to see anything come from Walsh and his entourage' trip to Italy. Could there be business to come from that or were they just on a jolly?

Sam Hoare
130 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:59:45
Barry@121 have you watched Klaassen? He is not pacy.

Bolasie is injured and Lennon has not played for a while, he may or may not be up to it. Coleman is a defender (and injured). That leaves us with Sandro, Mirallas (who is a picture of inconsistency) and Lookman (who is a kid with a handful of Premier League minutes, though I rate him highly).

We need more to my eye.

Kevin Turner
131 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:01:53
Much as I like the guy, I'd move on to other targets if that's the price. Swansea are small potatoes in football terms and, as someone suggested above, they'll have one pissed-off player on their books.

Come on, Walsh what else have you got up your sleeve?

Joseph Terrence
132 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:03:05
Sigurdsson is a good player, but not worth £50 million.
Colin Glassar
133 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:15:36
Arnautovitch hands in transfer request. Not for me.
Sam Hoare
134 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:20:58
I would have taken him last Summer, Colin. Maybe a loan and see how he does while Bolasie recovers...
Barry Sherlock
135 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:23:10

I have seen him play. His first touch is brilliant and so is his decision making. His pace; okay he's not Electric or anything but he's not slow. In Holland in can still beat players on the run WITH the ball.

I know about the injuries. But they will be back this season. Coleman, yes he's a defender and??? Are you saying he may not contribute to anymore of our attacking play?? The guy scores for fun!

Lookman? Yes he is young. Great Plan B? No? 1-nil up with gaps appearing, put him on and play some counter attacking football, with Sandro and Lookman being fed by a quick thinking Klaassen. Works for me.

I agree some more pace would be good. And I think Koeman & Walsh know it too. I just don't think, as others do, that we have no pace.

Chris James
136 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:33:58
Although I'm a fan, £50M for Siggy is too much, even in this market. £35M is a realistically achievable figure – I'm genuinely stunned that Leicester have offered £40M (if that's 100% true – can this be validated?) but I guess Mahrez is moving on.
Brian Wilkinson
137 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:44:59
Also agree with posters between £32-£35 million max, £50 Million time to walk away.

We stated clearly how much we wanted for Rom, got close to that without us then increasing price, from what I know we offered around £27 Million, they wanted £32 Million, we then upped the bid and then wanted £35 Million, now upped our bid and price now £50 Million.

Up yours, Swansea, not a chance at that price, and if Swansea had a £40 Million bid from Leicester they would have taken it.

Jim Knightley
138 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:45:54
As others have said – he is a very good player who I would like us to sign, but he is not worth more than £35 mil. We must not be silly with our money like Liverpool and Spurs were, even if it takes time. It's worth putting a £30 mil bid in for Lanzini imo.
Andrew Keatley
139 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:00:02
Ha! Just been on the Everton Wikipedia page. Some wag has filled our squad out with:

4. Naingolan
7. Robin Van Persie
9. Mauro Icardi
15. Harry Arter.

Andrew Keatley
140 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:02:04
Colin (#130) – I think Arnautovic would be a very good option, depending on the valuation.

We've lost Lukaku, Kone, Valencia, and we'll be losing/loaning Niasse; we need to bring in more striking reinforcements than Rooney and Sandro – we're only really carrying Calvert-Lewin (and Mirallas) over from last year.

Arnautovic is proven in the Premier League, is fairly versatile, and is not easily intimidated. I'd be interested.

Winston Williamson
141 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:03:23
If the price is £50 million big ones... move on to Mahrez!

Or a cheeky bid for James Rodriquez at Real Madrid – you don't know if you don't ask.

Steve Ferns
142 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:06:37
Just sign Barkley up, and concentrate the funds on a new target man. Dolberg or Dembele for me. And supplement that with Bacca, who has a more all round game.

We will then have a front 3 and can choose from: Mirallas, Sandro, Lookman, Dembele / Dolberg, Bacca, Rooney, Calvert-Lewin, Barkley, and Bolasie.

(Klaassen will play in the midfield 3 if you were wondering).

Colin Glassar
143 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:15:31
I'm starting to think Ross will stay Steve. Then, like you, I'd go all out for Dembele.
Soren Moyer
144 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:23:54
On another note, Lamine Koné is available for £8 million. Any takers?
Vince Furnier
145 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:25:32
Anyone for Costa?
Sam Hoare
146 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:28:39
Barry (#132), I suppose I (and I think others too) have been talking about more players with pace and movement in attacking positions (which is why I point out that Coleman is a defender).

With that in mind, we have Sandro and Mirallas who are fit, senior players. Yes, I hope Lookman will play a role but I still think we need more than that. I've not seen many people saying we have no pace but agree with those saying we need some more.

The likes of Dembele, Gray, Iheanacho etc might help.

John G Davies
147 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:30:02
Two sugars please, Vince.
Vince Furnier
148 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:32:56
You're right, John, it would need a sweetener to make it happen.
Brian Williams
149 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:33:28
I'll have a Mochachocafuckoffa latte mate.

With "whipped" cream!

John G Davies
150 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:42:24

Great centre forward, Vince. I would love to see him in an Everton shirt.

Athletico bound, though, mate.

Steven Telford
151 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:45:32
If Swansea are as pissed of as has been implied, this increasingly looks to be dead in the water. It's time for us to put up, or shut up. Dragging it out just seems to piss them off more.

Chris Williams
152 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:55:59
Apparently we've not made a bid for Sigurdsson, nor have we made any statements about him, so what are Swansea pissed off about?

Sounds like something for their fans all this, but we shall no doubt see in due course.

Brian Williams
153 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:06:01
Everton "might" be playing the waiting game and hoping that Sigurdsson refuses to go to Leicester (if they have a bid accepted) and say he wants to sign for Everton. That'll make it harder for Swansea but easier for us.
Frank Crewe
154 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:28:19
Can't say as I blame them for getting cheesed off. Remember how we felt when Chelsea chased Stones?

Now that we are a moneybags club (never thought we'd be saying that about Everton again) this kind of resistance is something we'll have to get used to. Not to worry. Plenty more fish in the footy sea.

David Currie
155 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:57:16
Mr Gaines,

No fuzzy glasses here, my opinion is Ross is a better player than Sigurdsson and would rather have him in the Everton team.

Lots of fans agree and lots disagree; your opinion is not greater than mine.

James Newcombe
156 Posted 10/07/2017 at 19:35:34
BBC reporting a price tag of £50m. Move along...
Teddy Bertin
157 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:12:51
They can charge whatever relegation is worth to them. £40m won't get them another player of his quality because of the position they are in and the quality of the rest of the squad.

So if he leaves they'll probably be relegated. Probably not worth selling from their point of view but if the player's head is turned then it can become poisonous.

I hated it when Chelsea took Scott Parker and Sidwell only to basically relagate Charlton and Reading. The same with Charlie Adam and the Red Shite basically relegating Blackpool.

I think we should look elsewhere and pick on someone else. We've already nicked their captain and left them in the shit.

Frank Crewe
158 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:46:46
It's not Everton's job to stop other clubs getting relegated. Three clubs get relegated regardless of whether we or some other club buy their players.

Who knows... maybe buying Keane will get Burnley relegated. Should we give him back and ask for a refund?

Christy Ring
159 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:24:54
He's not worth £50m, I'd prefer to keep Barkley, and concentrate on a top striker.
Jeff Armstrong
160 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:30:45
Could we send Williams back and £35 million? Everybody wins...
Adam Scott
161 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:32:47
Agree with the above. If you trust Walsh and his recruitment team you have to walk away. Otherwise you get a reputation for paying anything for anyone.

I am not convinced by sigurdsson anyway. A slightly more productive Barkley. For that money I want a Sane figure last year. Young, bags of potential and truly going to the top of the game. Sigurdsson is a good player. He isn't anywhere near that level though.

Dennis Ng
162 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:50:18
That transfer went out of the window quick. Next player please. We'll get him for free when his contract expires then LOL

I like him for £30-35m overpaying a bit but £50m is basically giving them a golden parachute into the Championship.

David Gallant
163 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:56:52
Nothing to see here. It's like when we said "£100m for Lukaku" – Swansea have to be seen to be unwilling to sell in order to appease their fans when he inevitably departs (for around £35m plus add-ons). It's going to happen folks, just a question of when.
John Pierce
164 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:25:15
Swansea need to be careful, this likely to be the most money they'll get for a player at the moment.

Asking £50m for a player in a team who will IMO struggle in the bottom six next season is a risk, relegation will dent the valuation hugely and they could come January in a poor position lose him for far less.

I think Everton are moving on from this target and looking elsewhere now, nice to have not an urgent requirement.

Anthony Dwyer
165 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:41:43
Sig is quality but the price Swansea are now quoting id say he's a no go...

£45m is way too much, we should find an alternative, Marhez, William or Mata are all quality and any of them could be bought for around £30m.

David Ellis
166 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:55:21
If Swansea are not careful what will happen is that at the last minute they will realise that Sigurdsson is unsettled and they will sell him at the end of the window with no time to replace him (or very little time).

Or they will keep him, bet relegated anyway and then be a forced seller because they can't pay his wages and his value will have dropped another year on.

Its in their own interests to be realistic. This is why we sold that striker we just offloaded (OFS – our former striker).

William Cartwright
167 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:17:37
If the player as an all round package represents what Ronald and his team have identified as a critical piece of the jigsaw then, as Pat Nevin suggests in an article I read today, the difference between £35 mil and £50 mil is "irrelevant" however crazy that seems. Obviously there are commercial considerations and they are to an extent gambles, but essentially at is right.

I think there is much more to this management malarkey than is given credit for, in all team sports...Just that the commercial pressures (sic. rewards) are so much greater.

Also I am keen to see what impact, if any, Wayne may have on Ross. Perhaps none, but if there were a positive influence, the thought of an in-form, all out attack from the front mind-set of the pair plus the drive of Sandro, then that would be really something for Sigurdsson to play into.

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