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1 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:24:18
"Dzeko who would be a popular choice among Evertonians"...
"The Belgian, once likened along with Lukaku by former Belgian boss Marc Wilmota to a lamp post"...
Well, it make me laugh any way.
2 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:26:27
Benteke, oh God, please no!
3 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:29:44
4 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:30:19
I remember watching us at the start of last season when we had Bolasie putting cross after cross in and thinking Benteke would have got a few goals where Rom wasn't having much success.
I can't think of a striker in the Prem who can head a ball as effectively. We changed our play as the season went on so wouldn't play to Benteke's strengths as much now.
5 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:34:12
1) He's a monster in the air. Do you really need me telling you what would happen if we bring in Sigurdsson too?
2) The team he's scored most goals in his career is... (yep, you guessed it!) Liverpool, whose goalkeepers he beat seven times in nine outings.
3) He couldn't score against us on the other hand, could he?
6 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:34:33
7 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:36:21
Surely it's got to be big money on a big name we need to replace Lukaku's goals as well as getting more goals from the recent signings.
8 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:39:27
Benteke? No thanks. He is one of the worst "I'll play when I could be arsed" players I have ever seen. It's not like he's a Beardsley or Ablett, who did well at the RS. He struggled there and we would never live it down if he did the same here.
9 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:39:49
He claims the unnamed striker hasn't been mentioned yet as an Everton target, plays in the Premier League, isn't English and would cost around £30 million.
If true (and it might as well be absolute bollocks), all this allows you to narrow the search to pretty much four names and these are: Benteke, Slimani, Batshuayi and Bony.
10 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:40:28
11 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:42:05
12 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:43:42
Yes we have candidates already like Ramirez and Rooney, but a 'blockbuster' striker signing, to round off an already exciting transfer window would be great fun.
13 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:46:03
14 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:54:34
I'd prefer Giroud but, if that's not going to happen, Llorente would be a good shout.
15 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:55:52
Giroud all day long. Dzeko is a decent backup option or even Llorente at Swansea. Personally would much rather we went for a complete striker than a pure target man though.
16 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:00:55
And we don't want a "Lukaku replacement" either. We want someone who doesn't switch off when we lose the ball. Oh yeah, and has some pride in the shirt and respect for the fans
17 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:01:36
We need another striker who'll get 20+ each season. As well as our recent signings chipping in with some more (to bridge an obvious gap in the past in back-up scoring for Lukaku).
Who is a 20+ plus striker, who is available, and who would be willing to join us?
18 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:06:06
Martinez did the same for Lukaku. So, for all his faults, Martinez has worked wonders on certain players, and made a nice tidy sum of cash for Everton with combined eventual sales of £150 million for Stones and Lukaku. Thanks, Martinez.
19 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:07:12
20 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:07:41
In a year or two they can be replaced, as the likes of Calvert-Lewin and Lookman come of age.
We were allegedly looking at Pele last year. The likes of him or Giraud/Benteke can all do a job. It could work out but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't.
A good target man bringing others into the game, good hold-up play and a good header of the ball, will be a welcome sight. I can see Rooney slipping some sumptuous passes to feet or onto the head of such a player.
21 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:10:18
And Giroud to go with.
22 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:17:00
It's hard to say who to get. Gabbiadini at Soto who we was mooted to get I thought done really well from the games I seen him play.
23 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:22:53
24 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:23:47
If Man Utd rely too much on Lukaku, as we've done, they may come unstuck when it matters, as we did. He's been very lucky with injuries, or lack of them, up until now. And he did have dips in form/barren periods.
20 goal striker? Yes please. But we can't afford to have all our eggs in one basket.
25 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:27:14
26 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:32:51
27 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:00
Seriously think we need a left back though. Bainesy looks finished as an attacking force and I'd love to see Luke Shaw fulfill his potential with us.
28 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:07
29 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:32
Personally I was impressed by Benteke at Villa. If he could recapture those performances he'd easily displace Bolingoli from the Belgium team, but that was a few years and millions in salary ago. Is he hungry? Maybe not, but he is a beast in the air especially, unlike Bolingoli, and with a whipper-snapper like Sandro up front that could be a great partnership.
Dzeko was surrounded by mega-egotists at Citteh and seemed to me to have a Bolingoli-like craving for only the perfect pass. I therefore have my doubts.
Don't laugh, but I think we need a goal-scoring version of the Mark Hughes we saw at Goodison. He kept the ball so well, allowing enough time for even the likes of Tommy Grav and Carsley to cross the halfway line to support the attack. He was impervious to pain from defenders BUT he did'nae score.
I just wonder whether or not the lad Dembele at Celtic has got used to the school of hard knocks that is the SPL and, if so, given his goal-scoring, age and athleticism, is he the best UK based player for us?
30 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:34
31 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:36:13
32 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:38:38
Imo Giroud, Benteke and Dzeko are all more than capable of hitting 15+ goals for the next two seasons while Sandro finds his feet and better alternatives are found.
33 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:39:04
It's interesting how we're being linked to 3 forwards who are all fantastic in the air when we don't play with any width.
Sigurdsson has to be coming in if we're going for Benteke, Giroud, or Dzeko. He'll be in assist heaven.
34 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:40:21
35 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:42:02
36 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:50:09
Apart from 12 months in Mordor and the start of last season he's scored goals. I would take him if we can't get Giroud.
Just a thought how many people have actually watched much of Dembele play? Say 10 or more full games?
37 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:55:32
Than whom? Giroud? How is the 33-year old doing now? And £30 million for a player in his twilight playing years? I think not...
38 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:59:22
Joe Harper was scoring for fun in Scotland; it soon dried up when Everton signed him. My granny, who has been dead for over 40 years, could play in Scotland.
39 Posted 10/07/2017 at 00:06:59
Dembele or Doldberg and we will be in business.
40 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:07:11
Dzeko is only a year older than Giroud. On who's better, its hard to say. Giroud has had a decent record for 5 seasons, but Dzeko was decent at Man City and was scoring for fun at Roma last season.
41 Posted 10/07/2017 at 00:08:01
The only other player similar to Lukaku is Bony, looked different class at Swansea, been shit since tho.
Not sure how many strikers out there that are like Lukaku that can get 20+ goals. Think we should swerve the Lukaku style striker anyway and go for someone who operates more like Kane.
Difficult trying to replace Lukaku though and that's why we just got £90m for him.
Even a 15-goals-a-season striker who also brings other players into play and creates a bit more would be Good, Lukaku only got them goals because he was selfish sometimes he shoot when should pass and miss opportunities. Donkey in a lot of games as well.
42 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:12:28
1. He's in limbo and desperate to play in a world cup year.
2. Rushing to replace Lukaku is a dumb move as we are looking to pay over the top for half decent strikers.
3. It would give us a year to find a suitable striker who, like Sandro is young up and coming and won't cost the Earth.
4. Onyekuru would have arrived.
5. Costa would either leave us to join Atletico Madrid or we could convince him to stay.
6. Rooney, Costa, Sandro = Mouth watering.
7. It would make the ultimate statement of intent.
8. He scores for fun and knows the Premier League.
9. We could use the striker money to strengthen elsewhere.
43 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:13:31
44 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:19:15
I'd love us to sign Vardy though. He must be horrible to play against and in the right team nets for fun.
As for the Benteke link, it was only 2 years ago he was keeping Lukaku out the national team!! I'd have him all day long!
45 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:21:17
You been on the spice, mate??? 😂
46 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:50:54
Rooney will score 10. Klaassen 5. Barkley 10.
Hibbert is due a goal as well.
47 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:59:50
48 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:07:05
Mandzukic has been mentioned too, we've not yet got anyone in from the Team Italia Deligation sounds like it was a DelBoy jolly..
49 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:13:05
50 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:17:56
In Serie A, that is freakin' awesome.
And for £30M??
One big huge YES from me on that. Even ahead of Giroud. Certainly ahead of Benteke.
51 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:27:50
It's a fair point. If we get the set piece specialist Sigurdsson he could be potent but the other concern is his injury record.
As for Dembele? Any remember Gary Hooper? 63 goals in 95 games? Or Mark Burchill? You only have to watch Brenda wax lyrical about Scott Brown then watch him play anyone outside the SPL to realize the Scottish league is crap. Dembele might be alright as a speculative signing but no way at 30 million.
52 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:28:13
I have been watching Roma highlights and amazed at the goalscoring feats of Dzeko. It's all about the system you play in and the confidence of the players around you.
53 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:05:35
Dzeko was great 5 years ago and would have been great for us 2 years ago. Not now though.
Koeman does seem to want a big centre-forward type though. Pelle would have been ace too, such great link up play but again with this new lineup not the way forward.
Delighted that we're still in for a striker and a creative player. Dreamland right now.
54 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:11:10
Personally, I would go for Dembele from Celtic, but it's all about how Koeman wants to set his team up to play. We know he likes a target man (Pelle and now the links to Giroud). Obviously, the RS connection makes this a bigger risk, but if Ronald thinks he's the man he needs to fit into his system then who am I to argue with him? Could end up being a master stroke.
I know were not short of a few bob now, but at 26 Benteke would provide more value for money in terms of service over the likes of Dzeko, Giroud or Llorente who are all in the last couple of years at the top. It depends on how much Palace would demand him too. They have had the TV money like the rest of the League and won't let their main striker go for cheap knowing we have the Lukaku money. In the current silly market they will probably ask for £50m for him. To me this seems like a hell of a gamble. We'll see!
Edit: On Twitter there's a bunch of Villains singing his praises and more than a few Reds who (the one's not laughing hard) saying hes a good player but not for the system Liverpool wanted him in. If Koeman set up to play to his strengths he could be an inspired signing.
55 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:14:06
56 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:30:36
I will trust Koeman for now as he's done an okay job in his first season. Some crap away performances, but I have a feeling that we will be a different prospect this season. Has he got the mentality to manage and motivate his men?
57 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:30:39
58 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:57:53
Benteke has always reminded me of Viduka. Talented, but a tendency to have hot and cold streaks. Need better imo.
From the Premier League, a few names stand out: Kelechi Ilechano (spell check?) and Martial. Llorente could also do a job. Then Giroud.
Dembele deffo has talent, but maybe is a bit raw to be a leading man at a club aiming for the top 4.
From Europe, Dolberg would be exciting, but look How Jansen did and it seems risky. A striker like Belotti would be a real statement signing, but would be highly unlikely. Dzenko is a top player, but price would have to be right. Then the German League has a few talents such as Embolo and Werner who would cost a lot and may not adapt.
In South América it is worth watching the Libertadores Championship, maybe some gems there. The star of the Championship last year was Colombian striker Borja. He has been a bit off form since signing for Palmeiras, but many claim is due to the style of play. Palmeiras was to be the plataform for a move to Europe, so maybe he could be a left-of-field option and would be quite cheap.
59 Posted 11/07/2017 at 04:06:09
But let's think more positively and imagine the fun we'd have if he started banging them in!
60 Posted 11/07/2017 at 05:24:48
61 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:17:07
However none of the names we're getting linked to particularly inspire me.
62 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:25:53
63 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:57:05
64 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:16:58
I remember reading also about Khouma Babacar, a striker in the Lukaku mould, but a lot quicker, and with better first touch and control. Just food for thought!
65 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:25:19
However, if you asked me which of those three I would like to see line up for us between Sandro and Rooney, I would say Giroud if he can be convinced to join us.
Could create a bit of havoc that forward line.
66 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:27:52
67 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:31:38
68 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:37:08
I can't believe there's a striker around with a better first touch than Lukaku.
69 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:40:47
I would have liked Iheanacho or Batshuayi myself but the former looks on his way to Leicester and Chelsea are hardly going to part with Batshuayi with the Costa and Morata situations in limbo.
70 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:15:28
71 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:50:20
My preference would be Giroud who scores and links play excellently. I hear he does not wish to leave Arsenal though and they don't want him to do he'll likely stay there unless huge money shifts him and them.
Benteke does a job though only for a team that has the width to provide crosses, which we don't have much of currently.
Batshuayi would make me happy but won't move till Chelsea get 1 or 2 strikers in.
I'd take Iheanacho over Dembele, he's bigger and already has scored a good few in the Premier League.
What about that Willian Jose we were linked with? Cheeky punt at Aubameyang or Icardi?
Other target men could be Bas Dost, Bacca, Bakambu or maybe even Rondon who would surely score more in a good team.
Pacey winger types I'd love us to go in for Lemar, Balde Diao, Berardi or Vietto. Martial would be great too as some have suggested. Perhaps Niang could still be in the mix.
In Walsh and Koeman we trust!
72 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:50:49
Neither of the two mentioned will fill the bill for a prospective top 4 team. Neither will Giroud for me either, a 'nearly' man for Arsenal, not quite good enough.
Haven't a clue who it will be, and it may yet be one of these mentioned, but I'm hoping for Walsh and Koeman can delight us all with a surprise in the not to distant future.
73 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:53:55
Both players being mentioned would do a excellent job. Some lambast Benteke on this thread, but have short memories of how good he really was before the Dark Side ruined him by not playing to his strengths.
74 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:12:34
Wouldn't be too keen on Benteke but that could be as expectations have changed during this transfer window. He does get goals and my cousin who is a Villa fan rates him better than Lukaku. He's better than Valencia and Kone that's for sure but Lukaku, no way.
75 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:25:08
Dzeko is too old, it's an exceptional strike rate in Italy but £30m for a 31-year-old is too much. What about Icardi at inter or Bacca at Milan?
I'm also skeptical about signing a big target man because it just encourages hoofball from our centre backs.
76 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:29:33
77 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:40:02
Get real. You don't just spend millions on has-beens because you can't think of another. Please.... don't go there! In Walsh we can rely to find us a young developing player rather than a proven failure.
78 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:40:02
I think he is looking at Klaassen, Sandro, Rooney and one other to combine equally in the scoring charts, so perhaps a wide player who scores a lot in the Mirallas mould, but more prolific.
79 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:50:07
I have a feeling that if he had never played for Liverpool there wouldn't be this amount of negativity.
80 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:52:14
Didn't he make comments in the Spring about how Steve Walsh is looking to bring in players for the long term as opposed to him needing players for the first team? It feels very short-termist when he spends big on players past their mid-twenties.
81 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:58:37
I hold my hands up and say Dzeko and Benteke don't excite me as much as say Sandro, but Sandro hasn't kicked a ball in England yet, so we can't heap all the pressure on his shoulders whilst he settles into his new surroundings.
82 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:17:01
Personally I'm hoping for a mobile, speedy striker rather then a big target man. Koeman does seem to favour a big focal point up front though.
If Wenger's comments, on TalkSport, this morning are anything to go by Giroud is out of the picture.
Just trying to hold my nerve now and trust that the excellent work we've done so far in the transfer market continues. I'll be glad when we've got in everybody we need and are told, "Right that's it for this window."
83 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:23:48
I'd prefer Giroud because his link up play is better than either Benteke or Dzeko.
I also doubt that Roma would let Dzeko go
84 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:24:36
85 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:25:17
86 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:31:59
Not to mention the signings we've made so far in Pickford, Keane, Sandro and Klaassen who are all 24 and under, a bit of experience in Rooney and a player like Giroud/Dzeko should be welcomed.
87 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:35:08
So far all of our signings have been good apart from Rooney who I will reserve judgement on, so why ruin it all by buying third-rate players?
88 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:38:09
On form he will get you 20 plus goals a season, good in the year, quick on the ground, nice link up play and long passing quality. Only 10 games at stoke but you could see he still has it.
89 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:38:19
If I had a choice of an affordable front man it would be Bakambu from Villarreal. Hes' a serious finisher and with our new and improved midfield I'd love to see what he could do in the royal blue shirt! Wouldn't surprise me if Sandro scores a fair amount either, with his supreme technical ability plus his rough and tough side he should be made for the Premier League.
I can't wait for the start of the season.
90 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:43:00
91 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:46:30
Our transfer work is clearly looking forward I'd argue that improvement this season will be limited for exactly that reason. Our investment has, with the exception of Rooney, all been in players between 18-24.
I don't see why Rooney and one other old senior ruins the majority of young players we have brought.
We could put out an under-25 team of:
Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Galloway
With the likes of Onyekuru, Calvert-Lewin, Browning, Dowell and a string of youth prospects not making the cut. The success of Everton players in the Under-20s and Under-21s for England and in the Under-23s illustrates that we are well set for the future.
92 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:57:50
Rooney No 10, Bolasie and Mirallas wide, Schneiderlin and Gueye in central midfield. Who do we think will play wide right whilst Bolasie is injured? Do we think Mirallas is first choice? How do we accommodate Klaassen?
93 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:58:06
94 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:58:59
95 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:04:48
96 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:06:28
Like I said, from the comments he made in the Spring, he seemed (to me anyway) to be suggesting that Walsh will bring in young players as a club policy of signing good young players, as if he himself was only concerned with the here and now.
I'll have a look for the quote.
97 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:18:22
So sayeth the spider...
98 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:29:43
No mention of us being in for a right back at all this summer so Koeman obviously has faith in our youth to cover positions while key players are out.
I'm worried about Tom Davies this season though. There's so much competition in the middle of the park now and Rooney will surely be deployed behind the striker and sometimes deeper. That leaves us with
And maybe even Sigurdsson
All competing for a couple of places.
99 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:37:01
He's only just 19, he's quality but maybe not ready for a full on Premier League and European season just yet.
100 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:57:52
I am sure Koeman has a hit list of strikers he would like so it's a matter of waiting for the announcement. There appears to be goals in the mix of midfielders we now have including Barkley if he stays which seems more likely now for at least the first part of the season.
Benteke and Dzeko are back numbers not to waste money on.
101 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:00:36
So, there it is! Out of the mouths of babes... and all that!
102 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:12:29
With an effective winger it's not always about individual stand out talents it's also about making all the pieces fit even the average ones so that the whole is effective. The late great Howard Kendall proved that.
Finally those who are advocating Costa to Everton have a word with yourselves he's poison. I'm all for players with a bit of attitude coming in but Costa? God help us this is still Everton FC, and we have a culture to be proud of .and the Costa's of this world have no place in it.
Let's take a collective deep breath and put the scatter gun away. We don't need it.
103 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:35:22
Completely agree. I'd prefer that Costa didn't even enter Goodison Park as a visitor, certainly not in the same jersey worn by our greats. Absolute no.
104 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:41:13
Clearly, Pickford (23), Keane (24), Klaassen (24), and Sandro (just turned 22) have been brought to compete for first team places, and based on our current squad, all will be starters next season. To suggest Koeman is only thinking of the here and now is contradicted by the nature of these signings. The only plus 30 signing has been Rooney this season no club has invested so well in younger players.
Even Schneiderlin (27), Gueye (27 now but 26 when we brought), and Bolasie (28 now but 27 when we purchased him) still have a good few years left, whilst we also brought Calvert-Lewin (20 now, 19 when purchased) and Lookman (19). Both Calvert- ewin and Lookman have been involved in the first team, along with Holgate and Davies I'd argue that we've been better than anyone in this league in terms of giving chances to youngsters, and investing in young talent, in the last year.
I don't see any reason to criticise Koeman for short termism I don't think it adds up. It seems to be based entirely around one quote, which contradicts the realities of the season and our transfer business. I expect that Koeman was suggesting that Walsh would be singularly concerned with buying young talents for the future (to go through the youth set up, like Bowler, Mathis and Markelo) whilst he would be concerned, obviously in consultation with Walsh, with additions to the seniors. These may be younger (Pickford, Sandro, Keane etc) or older (Rooney, Williams etc) depending on need and availability. I think this is fair enough the youth and senior set ups are different even if they are connected, hence the difference in coaching set ups and the relations of scouts. I think this is where we hope Walsh will come through with some hidden gems.
I also expect that Onyekuru will join up with the seniors next season work permit issues have prevented that now. I wonder if that might explain a perceived desire for an older striker. If there is a lot of belief in him and Sandro, then perhaps we need a senior striker for the here and now, rather than another younger player who will need a season or two to mature (Dembele).
105 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:49:33
Check out his stats since coming to England.
106 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:51:11
Costa did not turn up for an entire season after falling out with Mourinho. He then fell out with Conte in January too, who has asked him to leave the club. He was caught on camera talking about his desire to move back to Atletico a year ago and I expect that is where he will go, with a deal likely to be agreed this summer.
I'd also love Werner but we are living in the real world. He is not going to leave a Champions League team in Germany, where he has worked his way into the international set up, to come to us.
We need Champions League football, and a higher profile, if we are to be in the frame for players like that it is our big struggle in terms of bridging the gap, as we can't attract that extra level of player at the moment (aka Sanchez, Silva, De Bruyne). Rooney may help in that regard.
107 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:04:33
108 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:10:33
109 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:14:03
The signings this year have been outstanding . Don't spoil it with either of these two mercenaries.
110 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:15:37
I was thinking back to when Moyes was here. Any money paid out was always on players with a resale value as they most likely would be sold on to make a profit.
That day seems to be gone but there's still something unsettling about buying players for £20m plus, paying them big wages (presumably) and then they might be of little use to us, either on the pitch or with regards to getting some cash for them.
It is only one quote, but it seems clear enough to me what he was getting at. I'm also unsure of his choice of player regardless of age. The jury is still very much out on the likes of Bolasie and Williams for example. Schneiderlin and Gueye do look like good buys however.
Time will tell I suppose and I'm not necessarily criticising him yet. I'm just a little anxious about it all.
111 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:27:59
If they go back in for him the original charges should be reinstated and a 2-year transfer ban introduced.
Rednapp talking like tapping up is acceptable...
112 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:29:08
You know Lukaku has some of the best stats in the league? Doesn't make him any good, it just means he's played more games than anyone else at his age.
By all means state your opinion, but I wish people would stop trying to stat us to death, it doesn't prove or disprove anything. By adding stats you're saying "I am right and you are wrong" when in fact both statements are true because it's football. There are always 2 sides to every story, if people refrain from trying to prove they're "right" and we'd all get on better.
113 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:30:33
That's a new one on me. Must've been lowered from 30 last time I checked! A players peak years are probably about 26 to 32, though that's not the case for every player. Sometimes you need players for the now, not just the future. A good blend is always best in my eyes.
Look at Man Utd when they got Van Persie, he was 30 or 31 and he got the goals that won them the title. We can't always be a team like Arsenal waiting for our youngsters to come good then get found out because you're lacking experience.
114 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:49:09
115 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:57:36
The challenge will be combining younger players with the right kind of experience. I still think our transfer business this summer will reap benefits in 1-2 years. Pickford is not the finished article and will make a few too many mistakes Sandro isn't either and needs to work on leading the line. Klaassen will need a little time to adapt.
I think Keane and Rooney will have an immediate benefit but I would predict another 7th-place finish at present, with progress in the cups.
116 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:57:46
Also that Arsenal won't even consider moving Giroud until they resolve the situation with Sanchez. Giroud is participating in their spring tour of Australia, which he wouldn't be doing if any deal with us was pending.
117 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:58:57
118 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:05:22
All those doubting Lukaku's potential at United have obviously not heard his recent comments about how he'll try really hard to better himself. His obvious talent PLUS this extra effort could make him a world beater! Funny how he never thought to try really hard for us. I guess it's because he feels they are the best fans and it's what they deserve...
119 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:08:05
Being the devil's advocate now, when you reflect on last season, the amount of points wasted, should not, happen, with a stronger team and squad.
I, like many on here, have never been so optimistic, about a forecoming season, as I am now, and the transfer dealings, are not finished yet!
120 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:25:20
I just hope this is the usual rubbish that happens in the transfer windows.
121 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:29:08
122 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:38:23
123 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:44:00
He doesn't have the 'prima donna' about him, and if Koeman could get him to work hard, will end up getting us 15+ goals, which is excellent return IMO.
As others have pointed out, we won't have one 25-goal player, we will have two or three 15-goal strikers (Romney, New centre-forward) and two or three 10-goal midfielders/strikers (Sandro, Klaassen, Barkley/Sigurdsson). The goals will be spread out, at least that is my dream.
124 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:54:32
Have we just signed him?
Tell Rooney, if you meet him, that Rodney (Dave) from Only Fools and Horses fame, has a bracelet, that he may be interested in! :-)
125 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:56:55
Therefore, if players of this age are to be bought then I don't think we should be spending over £20M on them.
126 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:02:26
127 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:04:42
128 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:02:26
129 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:04:14
130 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:32:45
Not trying to push my opinion on anyone – was just putting his stats there to show that hes not got a bad strike rate – not the best but still chips in with goals. People are always entitled to their opinion – at what point in my post did I say that they are not or “Im right and anyone who doesnt agree is wrong”?
131 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:47:12
132 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:10:33
133 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:22:59
The new Everton buys players because they will hopefully improve the squad regardless of their age. I wouldn't care if every player we had was over 30 if they won us the Premier League or Champions League.
Enough penny-pinching. If he's a good player buy him. I don't care what a player will do for us next season or the season after that. All I'm interested is what he can do for the club this season.
I would also point out that those who advocate buying young players are the first to complain when those same players are sold for a bigger fee than we paid for them.
134 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:23:13
135 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:35:41
Imagine Costa and Rooney going to Modor? No prisoners...
136 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:41:59
137 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:42:56
Aguero is a world class striker approaching 30, would you not like to see him in a blue shirt knowing for a few years he could be the difference between success and failure?
138 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:48:07
139 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:50:48
I think it adds useful information to the debate about whether he would be a good signing.
140 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:00:14
Something about all that I don't like. The dirty? Well maybe that's okay. The Snarling? Well maybe that's not bad. Cheating? Well, actually, maybe that's okay as well. In fact, shithouse I can go with too.
Okay, I'm with you.
141 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:09:05
142 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:17:34
Break open the Bolingil money, sign him up!
143 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:47:31
A misguided post based on erm rumour.
A misguided comment based on selective - highly selective - cherry picking.
Okay, 26-28 seems to be the new 33-35! Sorry Schneiderlin, lad, your days are numbered and you too Gueye you old bastard.
Let's see: Pickford 23; Keane 24; Klaassen 24; Sandro 22.
Says Sean: 'Didn't he make comments in the Spring about how Steve Walsh is looking to bring in players for the long term as opposed to him needing players for the first team?' Yes, and thanks for the link. He has remained true to his word.
Koeman and Walsh have created a very smart and astute balance of younger and more experienced players (and continue to do so).
Shane says : It feels very short-termist when he spends big on players past their mid-twenties.
I roll my eyes and put my hands up in the air in despair.
Let me repeat: Pickford 23; Keane 24; Klaassen 24; Sandro 22. I haven't mentioned the two other younger lads.
Do you always stay indoors when the sun is shining Shane? Chiselling another Koeman doll to stick pins in or maybe reaching desperately for some bedraggled thinnish point to - triumphantly - hover over the keyboard, finger poised, to tap (one finger) some dutch clown stuff.
144 Posted 11/07/2017 at 19:27:13
You imagine with all of these rumours a large part of it is trying to unsettle the player to the point where it forces a transfer. Plus Palace don't have too many options up front so Niasse could interest them in that respect.
I'd personally be happy to see Benteke at Everton. It wasn't that long ago he was the preferred option over Lukaku in the Belgium team, and other than at the RS, his scoring record in England is very good.
The only issue is Palace will demand a ridiculous fee, and I can imagine they'll slap a £50m price tag on him like Swansea are doing with Gylfi.
145 Posted 11/07/2017 at 19:39:20
146 Posted 11/07/2017 at 21:03:22
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148 Posted 11/07/2017 at 23:14:36
149 Posted 11/07/2017 at 23:46:26
As for the three centre-forwards mentioned in the OP, I look at the players we have that are likely to be playing in forward positions. Sandro, Rooney, Mirallas, Lookman, Klaassen – wouldn't they thrive playing off a target man?
150 Posted 12/07/2017 at 03:17:15
That is 100% of the money we have in any given year. Now tell me that spending £20m on a player we don't really use is "peanuts" it isn't - its over 10% of our entire revenue for a year and 40% of what we have left over after paying wages (approximately 70% of turnover).
To say it cold make the difference between Champions League does not win the argument at a financial level. How much would we make in the Champions League?...probably another £50m. So actually a couple of players at that level would wipe out the entire financial gain of getting into the Champions League ( bearing in mind wages on top of the one off transfer fee). Buying players over 30 for big transfer fees is not a money making proposition regardless of how well they do on the pitch.
If this summer signings don't lead to improvement in the team Moshiri may lose interest and if we stuff our squad with players in their 30s we will have blown our chance and have a bunch of high wage earners that we can't shift for love or money.
I am delighted with the business we have done so far but these large numbers for Giroud and Dzeko make no sense to me. It needs to be sustainable investment otherwise in 3 years time we may be back to square one.
151 Posted 12/07/2017 at 03:50:22
A 30-year-old will lose value but be ready to go right away.
Neither extreme is sustainable. A balance between the two is right.
The club isn't there just to make money on players. It needs to grow, needs to improve, needs to challenge. The Champions League money (and profile) is worth it if you can sustain your involvement over multiple seasons. A one of appearance isn't quite so significant.
152 Posted 12/07/2017 at 04:36:09
Running costs are effectively paid for via this golden goose.
Our commercial turnover is limited and like most Premier League clubs use player trading profits to massage the system.
Most contracts are amortised over the length of the deal. We've not spent anywhere near that amount and generally the figures hit the accounts a year later.
Under current terms, very sustainable. The profit from the sales of Rom, Cleverley, McGeady doing just that.
Buying talent for the Under-23 side does the rest. We might find a gem, but will improve most players and sell them to lower Premier League sides and higher Championship sides. Those profits help continue the cycle.
I'm no genius, but I refer you to the blue room podcast; business matters. Sound explanations there on the matter of sustainability.
153 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:48:49
154 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:52:37
I'd be surprised if that one was resurrected, but maybe Walsh saw something...
155 Posted 13/07/2017 at 09:09:54
Yes, Ernie, I totally agree. We are not aiming to make money money is just a means to the end of winning stuff, and that regular European (even Europa League) football could make it all sustainable. But one-off events like Leicester's participation in the Champions League do not make their spending (and wage bill) sustainable.
John... yes you are correct, and I do follow the excellent Everton Business Matters podcast so I understand that the cost will be amortised over the length of the contract and won't hit the P&L all in one go...but it still hits it eventually! I am happy that what we have done so far is probably sustainable.
But my point is blowing £20m on a 30 year old is something that we cannot do on a regular basis because that is not sustainable. I'd rather spend the money on wages the Deloittes football financial survey shows that there is no (or little) correlation between success and transfer outlay but there is a very close correlation between success and wage bill. The teams that pay the highest wages win more.
Also interesting that Leicester are looking to offload 6 of the players they bought last summer Slimani being one of them (and collectively they flopped badly) ... presumably many of them Walsh picked???
156 Posted 13/07/2017 at 20:15:27
Everton and West Ham United are reportedly in the reckoning to sign out-of-sorts Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony, say Transfer Market Web.
The 28-year-old frontman is reportedly also a target for West Bromwich Albion and Ligue 1 side Marseilles, as he looks for another club to reignite a career that has stalled in recent seasons.
157 Posted 13/07/2017 at 20:22:44
158 Posted 14/07/2017 at 19:32:12
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