The recent discussion over the trial of a per-article comment limit was a really useful one and it revealed that, by and large, capping the number of posts per piece was not a popular one.

My impulse in trying a limit on comments was purely to protect the site. I had assumed that many people have the same reaction as I do when threads become bogged down by arguments (often between the same people) but it seems as though most Members are quite happy to scroll past long submissions or comments from posters they don't typically agree with. In that sense, I might have been unnecessarily concerned.

Nevertheless, in an effort to canvass as much opinion as possible, particularly from members who might be a bit reluctant to weigh in publicly, I thought I'd throw it open to a survey.

Your feedback is valuable so please be as honest and frank as you see fit:

Reader Comments (48)

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Brian Porter
1 Posted 16/12/2017 at 06:48:06
Survey submitted, Lyndon. A good idea to canvas members opinion.
Peter Warren
3 Posted 16/12/2017 at 07:04:46
Thanks Lyndon and Michael for your efforts. Such a brilliant site.
John G Davies
4 Posted 16/12/2017 at 07:22:08
Not a lot needs changing in my opinion. You run a great site that on the whole encourages lively debate.

Before I fill in the survey, a question: Does anyone know if posts can be removed as a result of complaining to the eds?

I haven't and wouldn't use the facility if it is available, but wondered if that is possible.

Derek Thomas
5 Posted 16/12/2017 at 08:26:42
Done, I think, maybe twice. Probably only a little fine tuning required. Just an after thought, make the persistent 'poachers' moderators, then they won't have time to cause trouble.
Martin Nicholls
6 Posted 16/12/2017 at 09:03:44
Thanks for all your efforts Lyndon (and Michael) – a brilliant site that you are making every effort to improve even further. Survey submitted!

ps: Lyndon – it might be worth giving this a more prominent place on the Home page as some may miss it as it is a little hidden away in its current place

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
7 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:26:28
John G (#4),

Does anyone know if posts can be removed as a result of complaining to the eds?

The answer is Yes, if we believe that is justified in the broader interests of, as you say, maintaining lively but reasonable debate.

[We also remove duplicate posts – that explains the gap at #2 above.]
John G Davies
8 Posted 16/12/2017 at 18:20:06
Thanks for making that clear, Michael.

Keep up the good work.

Ray Robinson
9 Posted 16/12/2017 at 18:40:13
Thanks for a brilliant site Michael and Lyndon. I submitted survey response but then realised I wasn't actually logged in at the time! I guess that I'll have to re-do it?
John Keating
10 Posted 16/12/2017 at 19:29:38
Thanks Michael and Lyndon. Great site, well done
John McFarlane
11 Posted 16/12/2017 at 19:45:24
Hi Michael and Lyndon, approaching my 80th birthday, I'm not too good with technology, and I tried without success, to register my opinion, so I would like to thank you for an excellent service.

I may be a little biased when I say that I believe that people who contribute articles could be given a little leeway, as they (in general) require a chance to respond to posts.

However, I trust that you will devise a system that is fair to everyone, and I will respect and support whatever that system may be.

Laurie Hartley
12 Posted 16/12/2017 at 20:18:40
I thoroughly enjoy ToffeeWeb.

I have submitted my response which was basically "Don't change anything".

However since then I have had a thought about a "missing ToffeeWebbers" button.

Perhaps something were a member can contact you Michael or Lyndon under the radar to say – "I haven't spotted anything from Fred Bloggs for a while". You could maybe follow up with a private email to them asking, "Is everything all-right, Fred?"

John Paul Tunstall
13 Posted 16/12/2017 at 20:30:08
Survey submitted as my first comments upon my go-to site for Blues related news.

Nested replies are one way forward. As would be individuals parking their own particular vitriol wagon whilst taking a few long breaths.


Brian Denton
14 Posted 16/12/2017 at 20:44:33
I've filled it in Michael/Lyndon.

I would welcome a 'user post history' facility. For example, when I want to find Eugene's 'The Moyes Presbyterian Holiday' thread, I have to use Google to find it, rather than going through ToffeeWeb itself. Or am I missing something?

Brian Hennessy
15 Posted 16/12/2017 at 21:00:16
If our club was as well managed as ToffeeWeb over the last 20 years we would have a lot more trophies in the cabinet, and a lot less to complain about.

Great job Lyndon & Michael

Jamie Crowley
16 Posted 16/12/2017 at 21:20:15
Filled it out. Agree with Brian on a 'user post history'.

And the Laurie suggestion of 'missing TWers' is really needed in my opinion. Where's Richard Dodd? Christine Foster took a hiatus I think... And there's many others. I often think, "Where the hell are they?" or, "Are they all right?"

Regarding user post history, as I age I post and can't even remember where the hell I posted. I'd like to be able to stick my name in a search engine to find any responses, as well as find other contributors I enjoy and don't equally.

It's a great site. The fact you're even looking to improve it and never stand still speaks volumes.

I do wish I wouldn't get edited so much... some of it seems silly to me, but it's your site so I move on... A recent conversation with Mark Riding springs to mind as I called him by his last name, explained why later, only to find my original post had been edited to show his first and last name. Seemed silly to me and a waste of time and resources, but do what you please in those regards. Most of the corrections are admittedly sentence structure and grammar, which as a college graduate is embarrassing, but I do love a good fragment.

Charlie Lloyd
17 Posted 16/12/2017 at 21:41:00
Some posters do like to comment on everything and multiple times. We all know who they are. But it’s their opinion and they are passionate and do add value. I don’t always agree but think the site is great for us to vent and is great as it is.
Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 16/12/2017 at 21:49:13
Like John @11, I tried to submit but failed twice. I agree with John – ToffeeWeb is fine as it is and I am very grateful it exists.
Colin Glassar
19 Posted 16/12/2017 at 23:36:58
Submitted. Keep up the good work gents.
Peter Anthony
20 Posted 16/12/2017 at 23:41:39
Great site, a class apart.
Dennis Ng
21 Posted 16/12/2017 at 23:54:53
Keep up the good work!
Eric Myles
22 Posted 17/12/2017 at 03:43:56
A better search function would be my only ask, like others have said I often forget where I posted and can't return to threads.

However I understand that might require a lot of work on Lyndon's part, for which he may not have the time.

So it would be nice to have, but not essential as the site is great as it is.

Kim Vivian
23 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:44:51
I have completed the survey and concur with most above.

One point I made in the survey, having visited other club's fan's forums and of course our own GOT and OS, is that in design and the way it functions we are lucky that ToffeeWeb seems to be the best of the lot.

Keep up the good work, chaps.

Stan Schofield
24 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:51:21
I have completed the survey, and have basically said that things are fine as they are.

ToffeeWeb is a great site, well done Michael and Lyndon.

James Marshall
25 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:54:26
Submitted my survey – for what it's worth I think TW is generally fine as it is. There are always going to be heated debates, and occasional agitators, that's the nature of online discussion these days.

As someone who has a habit of forgetting to add certain points, then reposting immediately after myself, having limited posts would be a nightmare for me!

Oliver Molloy
26 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:16:10
TofffeWeb is indeed a great Everton website and the humour and honesty from people more than anything keeps me coming back. Everyone is entitled to an opinion debated in a fair way.

I don't feel the need to submit a survey as nothing needs changed in my opinion.

I can not believe the question asked in post 4!

Alex Bonnar
27 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:58:34
Good site. In my case overmoderared I think, but I enjoy it. Well done guys.
Jay Wood
28 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:40:07
Filled in yesterday. Looking at the comments thus far, I'd echo what 1-2 others mentioned.

Like others, I don't always remember a particular thread I was interested in and following and, in the past, used the TW search engine (top right) to find topics/posts.

Now that used to work very well and offered pages of relevant links. But recently any search term just lists 3 links to ads, and nothing else.

I don't know if that is a local problem on my PC, or a universal problem for all. Perhaps Lyndon might care to have look at that feature and report back. That was/is the solution to that particular issue.

One other thing, the survey question about "moderators monitoring posts."

It was something I previously suggested the eds could consider. It is a widely used practice on many an internet forum, that members volunteer as moderators.

I replied 'NO' in the survey but would say 'YES' with some caveats.

For me, the issue would be how moderate a moderator would be.

Let's not pretend. We all have particular perspectives on all things Everton. Quite clearly, some posters do not hide their strong personal dislike for some individuals.

The danger of volunteer moderators is that they would censor and exclude views and posters they personally object to and promote only the views and posters they approve of.

That potentially undermines the democracy and balance of TW where (for the most part) anything goes, from the most considered to the most rabid and rancid of rants.

Otherwise, my opinion remains unchanged: a strong NO to any prescriptive or restrictive ruling that limits the number of posts, the length of posts, the frequency of posting, or how or what a poster posts (within reason).

Peter Mills
29 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:12:45
Lyndon and Michael, I have completed the survey, and as so many others have said, a huge ‘thank you” for the work you do and for the quality of the site.

You have a very difficult task to suit everyone’s wishes, but it is not just down to you two, it is the duty of all posters to show respect for the feelings and opinions of fellow contributors.

Kevin Prytherch
30 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:21:19
Should have read these comments first...

A search function for your most recent posts (say last 5) would be good as it is sometimes difficult to locate where you posted and see if anyone had replied.

Also – while I disagreed with the nested function, some sort of option to insert a direct response under a post might be useful, although this does open up possibilities of everyone trying to get their post to the top by claiming they're replying to one.

Dan Davies
31 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:54:18
I supported the 'nesting' function because it will stop the hijacking of a whole thread by certain people trying to take over the site with their own opinion, thread after thread, day after day.

If anyone then wants to keep banging on about the same thing, they can do it with people who are interested enough in their own 'private box' kind of thing.

Michael Kenrick
32 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:43:04
Thanks for all the feedback, guys.

Alex (#27), not sure what that was about... You don't seem to have posted much recently, so I didn't review it, but have now removed the delay on your posts appearing.


Paul Thompson
33 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:18:39
The site is technically attractive and informative. Some of the floated innovations, notably nesting, would be an improvement and might partially avoid the hijackings and repetitions. Of course many of the respondents are not in favour or restrictions as they are the most vocal, but I do sometimes get a little weary of hearing the same people say the many of the same things ad infinitum...
Chris Leyland
34 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:59:16
I think having members of the TW community acting as moderators could work as long as there was a clear set of guidance for them l. For example, giving mods the ability to give ‘yellow card’ warnings or even ‘red cards’ from threads that were being hijacked or side-tracked could work.
Andy Crooks
35 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:31:27
Leave the site as is; no tampering for the sake of it.

I think it would be interesting to know about how the site is run. How Michael and Lyndon became Evertonians. How much time the two of you dedicate to this site. How it all started. What are your favourite posts.

Also, how about an end of year awards. Best post, funniest comment, worst post, best article etc.

Alan Bodell
37 Posted 19/12/2017 at 21:54:43
I'd like to see the 'arrow' thing like on YouTube when instead of feeling the need to reply with a Yes or a No, just hit the button.
Nicholas Ryan
38 Posted 19/12/2017 at 22:07:48
Simon Mayo, on BBC Radio 2, has a thing called 'Three Word Friday' where you have to send in things like: 'Milk boiled over' or 'On wrong train'. So, why not have a ToffeeWeb 'Three Word Friday' thread: e.g. 'Bring back Deulofeu' or 'Allardyce for President'. it would certainly hone people's editing skills!
Andy Crooks
39 Posted 19/12/2017 at 22:10:51
Nicholas, I tried that Simon Mayo thing a while back but apparently, after "Simon Mayo...", the third word was unacceptable.
Eric Myles
40 Posted 20/12/2017 at 06:28:38
Could we have a vote on who the moderators would be??

I'd support Martin Mason and Tony Marsh!

Eric Myles
41 Posted 20/12/2017 at 06:32:54
BTW, the "News", "Rumours", "Comments" and "Articles" links on the home page aren't working.

They're okay on this page though.

Jer Kiernan
44 Posted 20/12/2017 at 16:23:51
Great site and great outlet for beleaguered Toffee supporters think how much we collectively saved on shrinks this season alone (especially first few months)

I have gotten censored a couple of times for bad grammar and I am trying to keep it in toe. When I was let back in I noticed the likes of "DCL" was being edited despite everybody on the board knowing what it means , Also slightly strange how I am now uncomfortable saying this I found "Fat Sam" was being edited to "Big Sam" I did note after his appointment that the better the results the thinner he would get so you probably aren't finding it as often.

Apart from the grammar which I know is necessary to avoid text speak it is a great site and I find the discussion open and entertaining, I do feel it's okay for the live forum to be an open space as long as no overly offence messages are sent.

Filling out the form now

Peter Mills
45 Posted 20/12/2017 at 19:21:57
Michael K seems to be getting quite belligerent on other threads since this thread went out and I, for one, am finding it very entertaining. Well done Michael, “FFS” is becoming the equivalent of the ref brandishing a card! I suggest only you and Lyndon should be allowed to use the expression.
John Keating
46 Posted 20/12/2017 at 19:28:18
Well that's that sorted.
A bit pointless and a waste of time discussing ways forward.
Michael just doesn't like it and pulls the plug !!
Probably best way forward
Don Alexander
47 Posted 20/12/2017 at 19:35:23
Peter (#45), I suspect Lyndon would not deign to use such terms, being the "Maturin" to Michael's "Aubrey". For the record I admire both those guys too, and am fully behind Michael's newly revealed zest too, unless he starts on me!
Dan Davies
48 Posted 20/12/2017 at 19:36:47
John it was getting very boring. It's all been said before.
Dick Fearon
51 Posted 23/12/2017 at 23:06:05
Congratulations Michael, Lyndon and all posters, for makingToffeeWeb favourite site.

Steavey Buckley
52 Posted 28/12/2017 at 00:19:05
From personal experiences, a good thread is measured by how many comments are submitted for viewing. If you don't like reading one comment, go to the next. Most ToffeeWeb contributors are nowhere near as nasty where there are other comment boards' responses to newspaper articles. The Liverpool Echo has Everton news but not so many responses, even when they are punctuated with trolls from across the park.
Derek Knox
53 Posted 01/01/2018 at 12:39:11
I have submitted my choices, and always believe everyone is entitled to their input, whether it is of a different opinion to the majority or not.

I have not selected to cap the number of submissions either, on the basis that someone may ask a question after the 'permitted' amount which may have merited an answer, or that member has just received some information, and wishes to share it.

Ernie Baywood
54 Posted 01/01/2018 at 19:36:15
Submitted mine and it's 100% in the camp of changing nothing.

I feel bad that I have no suggestions for improving the live forum given I feel the discussion is so poor that I don't go in there any more. Possibly just serves its purpose by keeping that stuff off matchday threads.

One comment I do have that didn't really fit the survey is that I've had an intermittent technical issue on my Android devices over the last two or three months. Pages seem to get stuck loading and commenting is impossible. I'm assuming it's an ad that isn't fully loading. Would be interested in knowing if anyone else has this issue. I seem to get it in spells and only on TW.

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