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Derek Thomas
1 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:57:57
Thanks Becky. Yet another journey to a time when the players were closer to the fans. A different world.
Steve Green
2 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:43:45
Can still remember the excitement when as a 9 / 10 yrs old in 1969 / 70 at linacre school in bootle our teacher brought her mate in to play some piano to us and teach some music. Our teacher Mrs rowntree only brought in ann west. Wonder if she remembers, I still do!
And the useless fact of the year I can still remember from 1970 which pisses my wife right off cos I can't remember what she said last week... Mrs rowntree's husband was captain of a boat called the ss potosi which did a regular south American run to chile and our class got taken to it and shown round it in liverpool docks one day!
Better than the coach to balliol road baths!
Don Alexander
3 Posted 29/11/2017 at 02:11:41
Don Alexander
4 Posted 29/11/2017 at 02:11:41
In the summer of 1969 Alf Ramsey took an England team to Mexico to prepare for the 1970 World Cup. He chose Westy above Banksy as the goalkeeper. That's how good Gordon West was. It's such a shame that his innate mental fragility prevented him fulfilling his destiny.
Don Alexander
5 Posted 29/11/2017 at 02:11:41
In the summer of 1969 Alf Ramsey took an England team to Mexico to prepare for the 1970 World Cup. He chose Westy above Banksy as the goalkeeper. That's how good Gordon West was. It's such a shame that his innate mental fragility prevented him fulfilling his destiny.
John McFarlane [Snr]
7 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:50:26
Hi Becky, I have only read your account of the lives of the wives of, Roy Vernon, John Hurst, and now Gordon West, and one thing strikes me immediately and that is. that these young ladies are far removed from today's "Footballers Wives".

The wives you have interviewed appear to be normal well-balanced girls, who, while enjoying a lifestyle a little above some of their peers, managed to avoid some of the pitfalls that their counterparts encounter today.

I take pleasure in noting that your choice of Ann West, coincides with an article that I have currently running,"Favourites aren't always the best" I look forward to your next submission, and who knows it might be a case of great minds think alike.

Kevin Moorcroft
8 Posted 03/12/2017 at 23:13:50
Gordon could throw the ball further than most goalies could kick. I think it became habitual after he had sustained a thigh injury and started to throw the ball in an over-the-shoulder long arm action. It was effective.

Great save to keep us in the FA Cup at Molyneux after Alan Ball equalised from the penalty spot. We won the replay on the Tuesday 3-0 in front of 63,000.

I worked very near Gordon's home in Clermont he was always about and spoke he drove a Cortina 1600E in White and Green Special Edition.

Lovely story when football was football and less focus on business. Gordon was a great goalkeeper.
Charles Barrow
9 Posted 04/12/2017 at 11:52:30
Gordon West was one of my favourite players. I remember as very young kid in the Gwladys Street stand with my dad and brothers in the 60s being amazed at how hard the ball was kicked and why he didn't get out of the way! What a brave man I thought.
Jay Wood
10 Posted 04/12/2017 at 12:35:25
I can claim some family association with Gordon, via an aunt who married me dad's brother. They lived in Blackpool where, like many a Merseyside family, we regularly holidayed each summer.

He'd long left Blackpool for Everton when the Blackpool family - knowing I was a mad Evertonian – always swung it that I could meet him as, of course, his wife Ann's family lived there.

The first meeting with Gordon I was in absolute awe of the man. He was an imposing figure – a very handsome man. And he couldn't have been more charming, amusing and tolerant of a dumbstruck kid.

One of my most precious possessions at that time was (correction – IS!) a personally signed photo of him (that HE arranged) in match play, a classical full-stretch keeper's pose, captured in mid-flight.

That photo is nigh on 50 years old now. I came across it 2-3 years back and although the ink has faded, you can still just about see the etched message and signature.

On more than one occasion, he also provided me and me dad match day tickets which we would collect directly from him at the players entrance.

It was painful to learn of how he fell on hard times later in life, but as ever Everton (and Labby in particular) acted as his saviour.

A wonderful, WONDERFUL man and GREAT goalkeeper...and I for one can understand how 'Ole John' picks him as his 'favourite' keeper in all his years of watching Everton over (possibly) the better Neville Southall.

Dave Rusk
11 Posted 04/12/2017 at 14:27:13
I got to know Gordon a few years before he died through my uncles who used to drink with him in the Volunteer Canteen in Crosby.

I used to nag Gordon for anecdotes and I'll share two, both of which highlight howmuch has changed since the 1960s.

Firstly, when I asked about his medical (as the most expensive goalie in the world), Gordon just laughed. He explained that the club doctor had an office at the top of a flight of stairs. He asked Gpordon to run down and then back up. He listened to Gordon's heart with his stethoscope and said "You've passed" !

Secondly, I asked why 'keepers in the 1960s never seemed to wear gloves. Gordon said that they did, but only if it was very wet or exceptionally muddy. However, there were no specific goalkeeper gloves but Gordon wore gentleman's gloves he bought from Greenwoods the gents outfitters on the corner of Church Street and Whitechapel. Mid season he would approach the club secretary to ask for a new pair. He was told "Buy them but get a receipt". With a grin Gordon told me "They cost ten bob but I asked the girl for a receipt made out for 12s 6d and I then went and had two pints in the Caernarvon Castle on Everton". Can't imagine Jordan Pickford doing that, can you ?

Like many old pros Gordon was never bitter about the money he would have earned today. I also asked him what his thoughts were when Peter Bonetti's mistakes in the 1970 World Cup quarter final virtually knocked England out. Rather than slag Bonetto off or say how he would have saved the Germans' shots, with disarming modesty Gordon just said "I just thanked God I hadn't made those mistakes".

A true gentleman, sorely missed.

Dave Long
12 Posted 04/12/2017 at 14:59:32
Great story. I remember my Dad playing in the same charity game as Labone and West for the Weld Blundell pub in Lydiate back in the late 1970s. Maghull, my hometown referred to as a backwater!
Terry White
13 Posted 04/12/2017 at 19:21:49
Jay (#10), very interesting stories. In thinking about his later hard times, let's not forget the wonderful work that Everton Former Players' Foundation does in helping our former players when they have fallen on hard times later in life.

As you say, of fans of his generation, me included, it is easy to see why John McFarlane, Sr. would classify him as his "favourite" goalkeeper although we would all agree, I think, that Neville was a better goalkeeper. Between Gordon and Neville between the sticks, after Andy Rankin, we had wee Georgie Wood (who I thought was a decent keeper, also signed from Blackpool), then a succession of "not so good, Hodge, Dai the Drop, Lawson, McDonough, Arnold (who wasn't bad). Thankfully Big. Nev. came along.

John Raftery
14 Posted 04/12/2017 at 23:39:32
Great keeper and an even greater personality. I frequently bumped into Gordon around Crosby. He would always be happy to chat about football and Everton in particular.

I remember him saying he hated playing at Molyneux because of the crowd immediately behind the goal pelting stuff at him. He hated playing against Ray Crawford of Ipswich.

One of the incidents he remembered at Goodison was when Crawford handled a ball in Maradona style to score at the Street End in 1969. Gordon went mad, as did the crowd. The referee, a Mr Fussey, ignored Gordon's protests. We drew 2-2 after Alan Ball missed a penalty in the last couple of minutes.

Steve Boardman
15 Posted 05/12/2017 at 17:38:12
Does anyone else remember when Gordon followed through his trademark long throw with his right fist into Mike Summerbee and knocked him cold? I think it was a replay in the 1966 FA Cup run, against Man City, and Summerbee had been putting it about to the point where Gordon decided to take the law into his own hands but made it look an accident!

As mentioned earlier ,his save at Molineux was unforgettable. I think that was a cup tie too?

Ray Robinson
16 Posted 05/12/2017 at 18:07:35
I remember Westy getting sent off at Newcastle for laying someone out. Sandy Brown took over in goal, I think, and we lost 1-0 from the resulting penalty.

I was a goalie and modelled myself (badly) on Westy. As has been said, no proper goalies gloves in those days but goalies still seemed to be able to catch the "casey".

Jay Wood
17 Posted 05/12/2017 at 18:16:36
Ray @ 16. Poor Sandy Brown. He was the butt of many a Westy wind-up.

Legend has it that in the Newcastle game you reference, Gordon had the gall (or, more likely, the wicked humour) when the team returned to the dressing room after the final whislte to berate Sandy for not saving the penalty awarded when the keeper got sent off!

Lovely, lovely fellah.

Brent Stephens
18 Posted 05/12/2017 at 18:19:18
Sandy Brown was an unsung hero. Played anywhere he was asked to and played in almost every position for us – or so my memory tells me! Anybody know how many positions he did play in for us?

Jay Harris
19 Posted 05/12/2017 at 18:57:41
Don't think anyone has mentioned the banter that went on between St John and Westy every derby game.

Didn't St John bring a handbag on for Westy one game?

Can't quite remember what Westy gave to him, maybe a dig in the face.

Steve Hogan
20 Posted 05/12/2017 at 19:26:15
Jay (#19)

Don't think it was St John who brought the handbag on for Westy, my memory (fading a little), but I believe it was at a derby game, when a spectator at the kop end ran onto the pitch before the game, and handed it to Gordon. I'm sure I was at the same game.

In those days, it was quite the 'norm' for crowds to question a player's sexuality, not sure how the pink fluorescent boots and hairbands would be viewed today?

John Keating
21 Posted 05/12/2017 at 19:36:13
Jay
I remember a few times Gordon getting a handbag on the pitch.

Another thing he used to do was when he came out and went into the goal to warm up he'd jump up and pull the bar down ! How it never broke I'll never know.

Talking of St.John I remember his missus, Betty, had a hairdressers in County Road, a white fronted shop with her name etc in bright red. If we walked to the match along Great Homer Street rather than the "top" way along Netherfield Road we would invariably have to negotiate the glass window, on the pavement, which some lads, every other Saturday afternoon, would put in.

Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 05/12/2017 at 19:41:03
Steve (20), your memory may be fading a little but it is spot on, the fan came onto the pitch and handed the handbag to Westy exactly as you described it and Gordon took it graciously and I think put it in the net with his other gear, showed his class, no fuss or bother.
Ray Robinson
23 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:17:44
Steve and Dave, didn't the handbag incident trigger a retaliation from the Everton fans at a subsequent match who handed a banana to Ian St John? Or am I imagining this?

As far as I recall it wasn't a racist gesture at all and was accepted in good grace by Ian St John who also appears to be a top bloke despite being a red. If I'm making this up, then I'm either losing it or have a very vivid imagination.

Can't see any reference to it on the internet, so, I'm relying on the other old gits on here to confirm or put me right!

Steve Hogan
24 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:34:19
Ray (#22),

I believe I was at that game as well, I'm sure it was when St John was playing for a different club, I seem to recall it was Coventry City.

I don't think he accepted it with 'good grace' though, seemed to remember he threw it back at the lad who threw it from the Gwladys Street?

Why is it I can't remember what happened last week, but I can recall vividly seemingly minor incident's from games that took place over 40 years ago?

Nurse, where's my tablets?

Ray Robinson
25 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:35:21
John (#14), I remember that Ray Crawford handball incident. I also remember Ball missing the penalty with the last kick of the match. He actually hit the post from the spot kick, netted the rebound only to have it disallowed because the same player cannot touch the ball twice from a penalty. I still remember feeling pig sick after that game!
Ray Robinson
26 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:38:25
Thanks Steve. I'm just glad I didn't imagine it! If it's any consolation, my memory works in exactly the same way as yours!
Steve Hogan
27 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:39:03
Ray (#23)

Sadly, the incident with the banana could be construed as a racist gesture, the chant from Evertonians at the time was "St John is a monkey, oohh, oohh"

Thankfully, we live in different times now.

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:41:18
Ray (23), can't recall anything like that. I worked with his brother Billy in Manweb, he was easy going, liked a bet as well as a pint or two. He flew a few kites as well here and there
Ray Robinson
30 Posted 05/12/2017 at 20:42:00
Steve, I was probably too young and naïve to realise it at the time. As you say, thankfully things have improved on that front.

Better watch my five and out.

John McFarlane [Snr]
31 Posted 05/12/2017 at 21:00:18
Hi Steve [24] you're quite right, it was a Coventry game but the incident happened nearer the half way line, two fans ran on to the pitch to hand to hand the banana to St John,

If memory serves me well St John had the last laugh because he scored in a 2-1 win for Coventry.

I'm off now to watch the second half of the Manchester United Game. Best Wishes. John.

Steve Hogan
32 Posted 05/12/2017 at 21:37:58
John (31)

You're right, I remember the incident now, still not sure he was very happy about it...

Mark Murphy
33 Posted 06/12/2017 at 06:33:30
Hang on a minute – was St John black then?? I didn't know that!

So I suppose in today's times there would be outrage at both incidents – one a homophobic gesture and the other racist.

Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 06/12/2017 at 09:15:59
Regarding Ian St John, Noel Cantwell brought him to Coventry City as his assistant manager. Later Cantwell was sacked and they offered the job to St John, he refused the offer saying Noel brought him there so he'd be leaving with him. Nice bit of loyalty there which you don't always see, especially in football.
John McFarlane [Snr]
35 Posted 06/12/2017 at 14:13:44
Hi Dave, [28] my uncle worked for MANWEB for many years, and he spoke of Ian St John's brother, my uncle's name was Tommy Traynor. I wonder if your paths ever crossed if so, as they say, ("It's a small world.")
Brent Stephens
36 Posted 06/12/2017 at 14:23:20
John. Tommy Traynor. Didn’t live in the Old Roan did he?
John McFarlane [Snr]
37 Posted 06/12/2017 at 14:44:36
Hi Brent, I don't know if you've read my post on the 5/6 limit, I don't for one minute think that you meant to give the impression that I requested extra posts, and as far as I'm concerned there's no damage done.

My uncle Tommy was from the Cabbage Hall area of Anfield.

Lenny Kingman
38 Posted 06/12/2017 at 21:09:29
What a great article; thank you, Ann, for sharing, heartfelt.

I bumped into Westy, and came out worse off, on quite a few occasions in the Raven in Waterloo back in the late 70s. We had a mutual affection for the original imported Stella Artois they served there. Didn't talk much about football, got the feeling that was done. Time to chill and enjoy freedom.

A big, burly and gregarious man, I think the straight shooting Yorkshireman never left his side. A pleasure to have shared his company.

Dave Abrahams
39 Posted 06/12/2017 at 21:15:40
John (#35), I worked for Manweb at Marsh Lane, Bootle, I worked in the stores. I can't recall the name – what did your uncle do? Was he a spark, jointer or maybe alongside some of the tradesmen? As he was from Cabbage Hall, he was more likely to have worked at the plant behind Newsham Park.
John McFarlane [Snr]
40 Posted 06/12/2017 at 22:47:02
Hi Dave [#39] my uncle Tommy worked on the cable laying, and he worked just after the war, on laying cables from Clarence Dock to various districts of Liverpool.

He was an ardent Everton fan and he, my Granddad, and five uncles sowed the seeds that resulted in me being what I am today.

I may have told you that when my Mother died I (along with my brother and two sisters) moved from Everton Road to live with my Grandparents in Anfield.

Every Saturday night when they returned from the pub, I would sit enthralled, listening to tales of former players, so much information, and as an 11-year-old boy, I couldn't get enough football.

My teacher once said that, if I took as much interest in my school work as I did in football, I could go to university; I think he over estimated me.

I had been attending games two years before my Mother died in 1950; in actual fact, she passed away four days before the semi-final against Liverpool at Maine Road.

How did we get from the power station at Clarence Dock to Maine Road in Manchester?

Brent Stephens
41 Posted 06/12/2017 at 23:03:05
Hi John (#37) – thanks for that.
Rick Tarleton
42 Posted 17/12/2017 at 05:56:28
A really good flamboyant keeper, he was part of two teams that won the League. I remember the way he would swing on the crossbar to pull it down an inch or two. Except for Southall, no keeper's been better.

I always wondered why the Everton keeper in those days always wore black shorts when the rest of the team wore white?

Thanks for a lovely article.


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