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Everton in talks with Grosicki?

| Friday, 21 July 2017  67 Comments  [Jump to last]
Kamil Grosicki has emerged as an Everton target again, with a report in Poland suggesting the winger's representatives are in talks.

Grosicki was linked with the Blues during last year's European Championships but nothing came of the speculation.

He eventually signed for Hull City during the January transfer window but was unable to prevent the Tigers from relegation in May.

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Christopher Wallace
1 Posted 21/07/2017 at 15:42:59
Steve Bingham
2 Posted 21/07/2017 at 15:46:23
I presume we are going to be continually linked with every wide player there is...
Jack Convery
3 Posted 21/07/2017 at 15:50:17
A swap for Niasse could be on the cards. Don't Hull have a Russian coach, who may have been impressed with Niasse when he played in Russia. After all... Martinez was!
Victor Johnson
4 Posted 21/07/2017 at 16:02:29
Please say it isn't so... bad history of gambling & off-field problems. Would have all the kids in the casinos in no time...
Andrew Ellams
5 Posted 21/07/2017 at 16:31:47
Didn't impress when he was at Hull and I feel we've moved on beyond him now this summer.
Scott Mongomery
6 Posted 21/07/2017 at 16:54:35
The only Polish striker we should accept starts with Lewan- and ends in -dowski.
Mark Rankin
7 Posted 21/07/2017 at 16:56:54
No thanks; I thought that Helder Costa was a good shout at Wolves.
Bjoern Haall
8 Posted 21/07/2017 at 17:26:32
My preferred striker addition is Andrea Petagna of Atalanta. He can finish, he can pass, he can dribble, good first touch and is strong. Quite young as well.
Shaun Wilson
9 Posted 21/07/2017 at 17:29:35
Scott (#5),

Now you're talking!

Trevor Powell
10 Posted 21/07/2017 at 18:04:45
Andrea Petagna, stats on Wikipedia are none too wonderful!
Lee Jackson
11 Posted 21/07/2017 at 18:18:15
Pass... next, please.
Rick Pattinson
12 Posted 21/07/2017 at 18:47:11
My Polish mate thinks he's awesome... Well, I bloody don't. So no... no more wingers. A defender and another striker, please, Ronald.
Neil Thomas
13 Posted 21/07/2017 at 18:48:26
Come on, we've been moving forward all preseason with some quality player and then get linked with this substandard player. If we're after a winger, why not go full out and bid for Marhez.
Colin Glassar
14 Posted 21/07/2017 at 18:49:49
Alex Carry
15 Posted 21/07/2017 at 20:05:15
I think he'd be a decent squad player. He was probably Hull's best flair player in the season gone by and he'd bring in healthy competition, in my eyes.
David Currie
16 Posted 21/07/2017 at 20:18:19
No thanks.
Mark Tanton
17 Posted 21/07/2017 at 20:43:49
His first touch is a cross. Which is more than can be said for his crosses.
Tom Bowers
18 Posted 21/07/2017 at 21:33:10
Another player grossly over-rated.

Grosicki is that kind of McGeady type winger who just doesn't deliver enough. At one time he looked like a decent player but the mere fact he ended up at Hull speaks volumes.

The media home and abroad will keep dishing out the drivel until deadline day.

Derek Knox
19 Posted 21/07/2017 at 22:14:52
Scott @5 are they both available? :-)
Paul Birmingham
20 Posted 21/07/2017 at 22:29:05
Too much hype as we all know, but at least EFC is sniffen, which is a good sign. Good hopes and a good sense for this season.
Gordon Crawford
21 Posted 21/07/2017 at 23:09:58
No no no and no.
Bjoern Haall
22 Posted 21/07/2017 at 23:36:16
Trevor (#9),

Statistics is not all. A team needs more than point grabbers and this kid has something to offer a team full of goalscoring midfielders like Klaassen, Lookman, Dowell etc. Some strikers are there to provide and I believe this kid has a lot of tools.

Gavin Johnson
23 Posted 21/07/2017 at 23:37:08
I hope this isn't true. It would be a step back in the calibre of signings we've been making barring Martina. If we have to have him, do a straight swap for Niasse.
Brian Williams
24 Posted 21/07/2017 at 23:42:26
Report in Poland! 'Nuff said.
Derek Knox
25 Posted 22/07/2017 at 08:01:26
Can't see what he would give us that we don't already have, why do we keep getting linked with wingers?

I feel we missed out, on Andy Robertson though, from Hull, reminds me of a young Baines, but he has gone over to the dark side! To me, he would have been a valuable addition, but the hierarchy obviously didn't consider him.

There must be some bargains out there, I think it is all too easy, and risky, to just buy players who are basically average, and pay big money for them.

Kevin Rowlands
26 Posted 22/07/2017 at 08:34:37
Watched Hull a few times last season and I disagree with the posters saying No. He would be a good signing. Every time I seen them, he stood out. He's a better option than Mirallas on the left. It's a Yes from me.
Colin Glassar
27 Posted 22/07/2017 at 08:57:19
I suppose I will have to give Koeman the benefit of the doubt on this one. Wasn't the guy used mainly as a sub for a very poor Hull team?
Tony Graham
28 Posted 22/07/2017 at 09:04:57
If paper rumours and gossip have any substance, we are forsaking quality for below standard players who won't improve us.

Would any of the top six even look at these? I think not...

I would be very pleased with two more: Giroud and Sigurdsson; don't waste time and money, pay for the better ones to make us stronger.

Jason Broome
29 Posted 22/07/2017 at 09:51:24
If we buy this average idiot or loan Sissoko, I will lose all respect for Koeman and Walsh.
Paul Jones
30 Posted 22/07/2017 at 09:57:21
Kamil Grosicki?
Pass me a whisky
A modern Peter Beagrie
But a face like Peter Beardsley
Dave Speed
31 Posted 22/07/2017 at 09:58:14
If Koeman wants to sign a Polish winger, I would rather he asked Polish Bob to come out of retirement than sign this fella!
Grant Rorrison
32 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:13:38
We have obviously got no 'Moshiri' money to spend now that Barkley is injured and not going anywhere for a while and our targets are being downsized accordingly.

Mike Corcoran
33 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:30:49
From the Echo:

KRC Genk were only formed in 1988 – a year after Everton's last League title – following a merger between Waterschei Thor and KFC Winterslag.

KFC Winterslag!!!

David Ellis
34 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:41:04
Grant (#28) – no it's not obvious at all that we won't spend further unless we sell Ross.

You do understand that Moshiri has paid off around £80m of the clubs debts??? He has put his own money in.

It's also not obvious that Everton have any interest in this player.

Ray Roche
35 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:44:32
Colin, Grosicki only signed for Hull in January and played 15 times for them. He was also PFA Fans' Premier League Player of the Month for April.

At 29 and with his previous record of playing at lower standard clubs, I'm not sure if he fits the bill. With the number of Polish shops around, he'd certainly feel at home.

Chris Williams
36 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:50:51
David, there is also the small matter of the £60m line of credit recently arranged with 'the biggest bank in the world'.

Koeman is quoted today in Dutch media as saying he wants 2 more quality players, attackers. And that he is broadly satisfied so far. He is interesting on the roles that Klaassen will fulfil, different depending how the team is set up.

He talks about finishing top 6, which is probably realistic, looking at the signings the likes of Chelsea and MAN City are currently making. 3 to 6 is the target, I would guess.

It never ceases to amaze how people draw the most amazing conclusions based on media-invented bullshit.

Colin Glassar
37 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:58:21
Does this mean we are in Pole position to sign him?
Terry Underwood
38 Posted 22/07/2017 at 10:59:44
It does make me chuckle when posters yell No, No or Yes, Yes, when players are linked with us The manager knows better than us.

If you want proof, he is getting mega bucks for managing our club... We ain't. Having said that... No No No to this guy.

Clive Rogers
39 Posted 22/07/2017 at 11:31:02
This guy has only made 77 appearances in 9 years, 52 of which were as a sub. So that's 25 starts in 9 years. Don't believe we are interested at all.
John Smith
40 Posted 22/07/2017 at 11:32:00
Put it this way. Hull fans don't want him and Watford don't think he's good enough for them either.

John Smith
41 Posted 22/07/2017 at 11:44:21
Wikipedia says he has played 250 games in nine years.
Derek Knox
42 Posted 22/07/2017 at 11:46:33
Agree Clive, didn't realise his stats were that unimpressive, would be Gros incompetence if we go ahead with this one.
David Israel
43 Posted 22/07/2017 at 12:02:45
Mike (#29), yes, KFC Winterslag, what a name for a club! They should never have been allowed to merge.

I once came across a team in Angola called "Os Martires do 27 de Maio", which means, in Portuguese, "27th May Martyrs". I have no idea what happened on that day, but I'm sure they refrain from playing on it.

Frank Crewe
44 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:07:57
It's amazing how snooty some people have become about the players we sign. Apparently if they are not some world renowned superstar or an up and coming youngster we shouldn't bother with them.

Not every player we buy will be with an eye for the first team. The longer we remain in the four competitions we will be in this season, the more games we will be playing. We will need squad players to make up the numbers and help with player rotation. I have no doubt that, should we actually buy this guy, I'm sure he will be just such a player. The guy is experienced and the fee is nominal by the standards we have been paying out so far.

I have no particular problem with him. If he proves to be a revelation nobody will be complaining and will be lauding Koeman and Walsh for their shrewd business. If he doesn't work out, then we have a decent squad player who can cover for first-team players in the lesser games.

Colin Glassar
45 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:11:37
Well Frank if you drive a Ford Fiesta but can afford a Volkswagen Golf (still can't buy a Porsche) what would you do? Buy another Ford Fiesta?
John G Davies
46 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:13:49
Tabloid gossip.

Relax until you see him at Finch Farm or Goodison Park.

Jim Knightley
47 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:17:23
Frank – Why can't fans criticise potential signings, that are quite possibly media invented rubbish anyway?

It's a squad, yes – but why do we need another squad wide man? Can you explain that? A starter, yes, but one for the squad? We already have Mirallas, Lewin and Lennon, who will rarely start. And we have Lookman, who looks a fantastic prospect. And an emerging Dowell who will be called upon more often this season.

I expect that we will play a couple of players behind a central striker who will float – the kind of thing Dowell can manage. Then there is Rooney and Sandro (one to play through the middle, one just behind); we still have Barkley or whoever his replacement will be. And Bolasie will be back early next year.

So, for likely two places behind a striker (assuming a central midfield three), we have Rooney/Sandro, Barkley, Lookman, Dowell, Mirallas, Calvert-Lewin and Lennon. And Bolasie when he returns. That's eight options in my book – we don't need another inferior player to join a packed group – we need a better player to improve the first eleven.

What annoys me is when someone makes a snooty post and completely ignores the context in the process.

Frank Crewe
48 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:20:11
Colin, if we try to stuff out squad with wall to wall big names yet we can't possibly give them all games we will just end up with an unhappy squad and a lot of boat-rocking from those not getting games.

Better to layer your squad. Top names as first choice, lesser names as cover for injuries, tiredness and rotation. Not to mention it keeps the wage bill down and allows for a decent-sized squad.

Frank Crewe
49 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:23:01
Jim, it's not for us to decide what players we need. We pay Koeman to make these decisions. So, whatever player he decides we need, then that's the player we need... and all we can do is go along with it and hope he's right.
James Watts
50 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:27:08
Hey, just imagine when Ron says 1 or 2 more players and he means Sissoko and this fella. Actually, I'd rather not imagine that!
Clive Rogers
51 Posted 22/07/2017 at 13:50:28
Frank, his stats are awful and tell us he is not good enough to even be a squad player. In 6 years at Sivasspor then Rennes he only made 16 starts. He is 29. He has no chance whatsoever.
Drew O'Neall
52 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:07:38
Worst hair in the Premier League.
Colin Glassar
53 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:11:56
I agree Frank but I don't see anything in this guy that tells me he's not just another Bilyaletdinov or an Atsu. If we are going to buy squad players, they should be players who can really challenge the first teamers and not just bodies.
Frank Crewe
54 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:27:29
I am not talking about this guy in particular. But any player we may buy who doesn't cost the earth. We had this with Martina as well.

The idea that whoever we buy should be just as good as the man the man ahead of him is absurd. We can't buy a second Coleman until the first Coleman gets fit and then plonk the second Coleman on the bench just because the first Coleman should get his place back. No player would sign up under those conditions.

How many grumbled when Baines got his place back after a long injury and Galloway was dropped? Where is Galloway now? Players know their own worth and how good they may or may not be.

Remember Richardson and Harper back in the 1980s. Good players but kept out by better players. But without them, we wouldn't have won the league. What happened. In the end they left the club to get games elsewhere. That's what happens if you try to have every squad player at the same level.

Grant Rorrison
55 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:32:31

David 30. True, we could sell McCarthy I suppose. ;)

Joking aside, don't you think it strange that we suddenly stopped signing players after we spent roughly equivalent to what we brought in for Lukaku?

Or that we had a negative net spend last summer?

Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:49:09
Jason (#25), I'm sure that will keep them awake at night.

Gawd, the stuff people write here sometimes.

Jim Knightley
57 Posted 22/07/2017 at 14:52:00
But Frank – the case with Grosicki and Martina is clearly different. See my points, which you have failed to respond to.

If everyone went with the impotent 'let's just agree because Koeman is the manager' then this forum wouldn't exist. It's also not simply a case of disagreeing with Koeman – this is disagreeing with the story, and therefore with the Journo who invented it.

Jim Potter
58 Posted 22/07/2017 at 15:15:02
Everton in talks with Grosicki?

Hopefully this is just a mistranslation of the Polish headline "Everton question whether Grosicki can talk".


Keith Johnson
59 Posted 22/07/2017 at 16:54:34
God No!!! It would be a sign of panic buying!!! Let's go and get Costa...
Derek Knox
60 Posted 22/07/2017 at 21:43:22
Having read all the posts on this thread, we still seem to be Poles apart.

Personally, I am in the next rumour camp, and hope this is lazy journalism, or agent temperature testing!

David Ellis
61 Posted 23/07/2017 at 02:43:42
Grant (#55) – okay selling McCarthy made me laugh (in a good way). However:

(1) the negative net spend last summer was wiped away in January;

(2) the signings we are going for now are just more time consuming – Sigurdsson and Giroud. I don't think there is anything sinister in that – Tottenham still haven't signed anybody yet; it's the same for all clubs, even the big ones.

We have just done spectacularly well in getting a lot of business done early and in comparison to that it looks like we have slowed down.

Jason Broome
62 Posted 23/07/2017 at 03:03:23
Everything about this guy reminds me of Andy van der Meyde. Do we ever learn?
Jim Potter
63 Posted 23/07/2017 at 12:16:06
Jason (#62) – I question that everything is the same. Grosicki may have a dog... but I doubt it's been kidnapped and ransomed!
Grant Rorrison
64 Posted 23/07/2017 at 12:18:28
David (#61) says

"However - (1) the negative net spend last summer was wiped away in January"

I assume by 'wiped away' you mean the signing of Morgan Schneiderlin? One deal worth 20m rising to 24m hardly amounts to earth shattering ambition. Koeman had to spit his dummy out to get it too.

"Tottenham still haven't signed anybody yet, its the same for all clubs, even the big ones. "

It isn't the same for City, they've just bought some fella called Danilo for more than our net spend over the last 3 windows. This having spent over a £100m on two players (!) in the last week or so. Difference is, while we sell our best striker for £90m to balance the books they flog Kolarov for around £5m to 'balance' theirs.

I still think Barkley will be off before the end of the window and maybe McCarthy and someone else too.

Jim Knightley
65 Posted 23/07/2017 at 12:29:52
Grant – we are miles away from Man City. There is no way we can compete with the quality, wages or transfer fees they offer.

Danilo will come in as a back up for them by the way – he will rotate with walker and Mendy when necessary.

It is worth pointing out, in case anyone is under any misconception, that we still lag behind the top teams in this division. Change will not come over night – we needed to slowly bridge the gap, and investment in major youth talent is the best way to go about it.

David Ellis
66 Posted 24/07/2017 at 03:05:38
Grant, Your evidence that we were relying on the Lukaku money to fund our spree was that, since we sold him (and spent the money) our transfer activity has slowed down.

My point is that this is not the most likely explanation. All clubs often struggle to get some of their transfers in. Look at Liverpool trying to buy that player from Leipzig, for example. The fact that we are struggling to get our last two over the line does not mean we are waiting to sell Barkley first (there is no evidence of this) or that we don't have the money (all our actions suggest that we do) or that Moshiri hasn't put his hand in his pocket yet (he has – he's paid off all the pre-existing debt).

The finances of the club are suddenly in good shape – thanks to a happy combination of Moshiri paying off the debt, a waiting list for season tickets for the first time ever, the Lukaku bonanza, increased TV money (a tide which rises all boats), a credit facility from ICBC and increased commercial revenue (SportPesa and USM Finch Farm etc – something that puts distance between us and the likes of West Ham).

Then there will be Europa League football which is far more commercially rewarding since the last time we were in it and the prospect of further commercial revenue from the new stadium (which okay hasn't been built yet but we have acquired the land and the project has the support of the council in a superb site, we have the credit facility from ICBC proving we are finally bankable – it could not be going better). And there is the Rooney effect (on revenue).

This is a total transformation in our outlook and far bigger than the sale of players like Lukaku and Barkley and Stones – those sales would not sustain the wages that we are now paying to attract and retain the players we have. We are raising the draw bridge between us and 8th place – this is a big deal and should help guarantee European football for years on end.

Ernie Baywood
67 Posted 24/07/2017 at 04:35:02
Grant "Difference is, while we sell our best striker for £90m to balance the books they flog Kolarov for around £5m to 'balance' theirs."

City buy players at their peak and flog them when they've done their dash. £16M for Kolarov 7 years ago was a lot of money.

This isn't an indicator of ambition. It's an indicator of status. We could take the same approach but we'd get C-grade strikers in their prime (say, Steven Fletcher) instead of a Lukaku.

We've shown ambition. Expensive young talent screams ambition! Ambition is the starting point to gaining status.

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