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Rest of October key to Koeman's future

| Sunday, 08 October 2017  39 Comments  [Jump to last]
Under-pressure Everton manager, Ronald Koeman, has three Premier League games to save his job according to a Sunday tabloid.

The Sunday Mirror claim that the Blues' hierarchy will use the results against Brighton, Arsenal and Leicester to determine whether or the not the Dutchman has a future as boss at Goodison Park.

Everton have won just twice in the league so far, sit 16th in the table ater seven games and have yet to pick up three points in their Europa League group.

That has increased the scrutiny of Koeman's tenure and led to inevitable tabloid speculation like this that he could be sacked by the end of the month if results don't improve.

The club's major shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, gave Koeman his backing this past week with a statement via talkSPORT presenter Jim White.

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Richard Lyons
1 Posted 08/10/2017 at 15:43:26
I wonder if Ancelotti or Tuchel will still be available come 30th October?
Tim James
2 Posted 08/10/2017 at 15:51:06
I cannot see how three more games will do anything to help Koeman or the board. A replacement, temporary or permanent, could have got stuck in during the international break. The fans now have three more games to suffer and speculate. I wish it were otherwise and Koeman was a success but to me it is obvious its not going to happen for him.
Dennis Stevens
3 Posted 08/10/2017 at 16:07:23
Surely, having not acted during this break, the next logical point to take action would be the next break - between our matches on the 5th & 18th November.
Andrew Yates
4 Posted 08/10/2017 at 16:33:54
Those 3 games will be a useful indication if our current status, a neutral would say 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat (possibly?) I would hope for 3 wins but it is not only the players that are lacking confidence.

Will 4 points from those 3 games be enough to save him?

Lawrence Green
5 Posted 08/10/2017 at 16:48:04
I suspect it is progress in the Europa League that will be uppermost in Moshiri's mind if any action is to be taken relating to the manager's position. Trying to build a reputation in Europe is more than helpful in trying to raise the profile of the club and attract sponsors etc to help fund a new stadium.

Given the way the Echo has changed its tune this week is both a reaction to the fans current mood and perhaps a reaction to some disquiet among the board members at the club's league form.

Any away game in the Premier League seems a difficult task for Everton this year and therefore Brighton won't be a given three points even if the team raises its game, indeed a single point may be beyond it. It could be argued the same for Leicester City away too.

Arsenal at home will depend on how the previous two games have panned out both for the players and the fans, therefore the Lyon game will likely decide the future of the manager in the long term, win that game and he buys a little bit more time, lose it and I think it's all over for him.

Brian Williams
6 Posted 08/10/2017 at 17:26:42
Don't think it'll be purely down to results but more the manner in which the results are achieved.
Turgid monotonous side, side, back, should get him the bullet no matter what the results (IMO).
Peter Knight
7 Posted 08/10/2017 at 17:31:31
I predict 4 points from the next four games, then defeats by Lyon and Watford.

Sacked with a big payout and Koeman is hired as the next Dutch coach.

Good for Ron who does not care about Everton, just the money.
Colin Glassar
8 Posted 08/10/2017 at 17:59:23
Totally agree Brian. I’m sure the performances will also be taken into account. So far it’s been worse than awful.
Kunal Desai
9 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:20:32
I just don't see the effort, passion, committment, work rate, energy and most important of all results changing in this side changing. I am predicting he will be sacked after defeat at Leicester.
Alan McGuffog
10 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:23:27
Gary Megson. Come on down !
Brian Williams
11 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:30:16
If he is sacked he could slot into the England job no problem as they play the same slow, side, side, back, game with as much pace and guile as Everton.
James Hughes
12 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:35:51
difference being Brian is that England still grind out a win. England have played a back three tonight and the best of them. That guy who couldn't defend and was a liability, John Stones
John G Davies
13 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:41:55
Playing against a centre forward who hasn't scored in his last 20 international games.
Brian Williams
14 Posted 08/10/2017 at 18:46:54
James, it's still worse than watching Dulux dehumidifying. Total anti-football!
Mark Morrissey
15 Posted 08/10/2017 at 20:56:56
I haven't said it for at least 3 days so I'll say it now. Sack him. I read the thread on BBC SPORTS done by The People. He has until the end of October to save his job. It warmed my heart, the thought of him packing his bags. Players will adapt quickly, he won't change. Bye
Lawrence Green
16 Posted 08/10/2017 at 20:59:23
Mark #13 The Echo are saying it will be the next seven fixtures which will determine Ronald's future so you may have to wait until Bonfire night before you see him packing his bags - longer if the team wins the majority of those games.
Brian Porter
17 Posted 08/10/2017 at 21:54:11
For God's sake, why wait? Do we have to go on until the bitter end with this failure in charge. Get rid NOW while we still have a season to save.
Mike Berry
18 Posted 08/10/2017 at 22:43:40
I cant see Keoman changing his stubborn ways with regards to tactics, and will hope that somehow things will improve.
The end of October may have some truth especially if we are out of the Europa too, Moshiri will wants to see what is hapenning with all that investment and heads could roll.
Colin Glassar
19 Posted 08/10/2017 at 23:10:04
Wait until bommie night night Lawrence? Madness I say, madness.
Brian Wilkinson
20 Posted 08/10/2017 at 23:54:21
Could be fireworks then Colin.
Dennis Ng
21 Posted 09/10/2017 at 02:04:23
Tuchel is still available for now. I hope Moshiri has at least sounded out to him and other available. If we don't put up a better performance next game, I can't see us getting any better against Arsenal and Lyon twice.
Ian Burns
22 Posted 09/10/2017 at 08:55:43
What is RK going to do over the next three games - change spots? He has the same players; the same coaches; the same system - if we don't like it now, we are not going to like it in three games. Total nonsense, the change should have been made immediately after the Burnley game (game did I say? - I meant debacle).
David McMullen
23 Posted 09/10/2017 at 09:03:54
For me not just the results will determine his future. Are the players responding? Is there some kind of pattern forming or identity? We're not going to suddenly blow teams apart with exciting football but we need a response on the pitch and hopefully some wins that's down to the manager that's what he's paid for! Those results are pivitol both league and two cups would be depressing not to have at least one to fight for going in to the winter. Don't think he does well in cups.
Soren Moyer
24 Posted 09/10/2017 at 12:37:00
I take it we park the double decker bus in the next 3 matches then!
Jim Wilson
25 Posted 09/10/2017 at 16:52:24
No point in giving him any more time. He has already shown he is not good enough. He has shown he has no idea that keeping the same team and formation together and trusting in continuity is the way the team will get results.
His lack of loyalty to some players means he can never get there respect back. The damage is done.
Ray Smith
26 Posted 09/10/2017 at 20:04:39
Got my ticket for Brighton, not sure what to expect?

When the fixtures came out I saw this game as a good bet for an away win!!

How times have changed!

Darryl Ritchie
27 Posted 10/10/2017 at 06:13:36
I've recently read a Cruyff quote that neatly sums up our current manager and his predecessor.

"Quality without results is pointless (Martinez), results without quality is boring." (Koeman; but skip the 'results' bit for both.)

I sincerely hope the Koeman has the skill to turn things around but I fear that, even if he did have the know-how, he just doesn't have the players. Too many round pegs in square holes. Too old or too young. Too slow... and way too many Number 10s.

Alan J Thompson
28 Posted 10/10/2017 at 06:47:50
Darryl (#27); I don't remember the exact quote but I would refer you to Danny Blanchflower's words on winning and how you win. Can anyone help with the quote?
Dale Rose
29 Posted 10/10/2017 at 13:06:34
I think there was a Bertie Mee quote that fits the bill (albeit the colours would have to be changed): "Just pass it to another red shirt, son". Simple really.
Soren Moyer
30 Posted 10/10/2017 at 17:53:15
Alan (#28). It is "Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."

He has also another one: “Football is a simple game made complicated by people who should know better.”

Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 11/10/2017 at 01:30:44
Slightly off topic but in regards to sayings and topics, there's some beauts on YouTube from Brian Clough, specially the one he rips John Motson to shreds, best manager England never had.
Don Alexander
32 Posted 11/10/2017 at 02:32:44
I have total respect for Lyndon and Michael in their editorial endeavours regarding this site but, in case I've missed it, what information do they have that explains who was responsible for the summer window debacle after Koeman latterly said we still needed a centre-forward, centre-back and left full-back? Performances to date show he was right on the money after all.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
33 Posted 11/10/2017 at 04:15:24
Thanks for the compliment, Don (#32), but I'm not sure why you are dragging us into this.

I can't speak for Lyndon, who has more ITK contacts that I do, but I don't know that we are really any closer to the real truth of the Everton Way and how things really go down in this club we all love. We have to rely on the published news and make inferences, like everyone else. I've heard so much tasty stuff on the QT that turns out to be complete nonsense and I am now extremely skeptical.

FWIW, I think the centre-forward issue is explained by Giroud probably stringing them along before finally saying No. Can't really blame anyone for that, can we?

Centre-back and left full-back? Perhaps Koeman expected Funes Mori to come back sooner, and Holgate to develop more... Sorry but it's all guesswork.

The possible zero net outlay if Barkley had gone is a real puzzler to me.

Will Mabon
34 Posted 11/10/2017 at 06:17:26
"The possible zero net outlay if Barkley had gone is a real puzzler to me."

Mike, I think that almost-successful zero net spend answers any puzzle it poses.

Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 11/10/2017 at 06:33:38
Yes, of course you're right, Will. Caught me believing all the ridiculous pumped-up hype that had us supposedly spending millions to improve the team...
Don Alexander
36 Posted 11/10/2017 at 18:44:19
It was a genuine question, Michael, albeit I realise you may have had to be tactful in answering it in the event you had/have "insider" info. Thanks for your response anyway.

The signings failures have doomed season two of the "project" to the bin in my view and I now don't think Moshiri has the wealth to spend enough to acquire a proven scorer who can also do the muck-and-bullets part of an all-round centre-forward's job.

Tony Twist
37 Posted 11/10/2017 at 20:03:43
Koeman, the next Netherlands manager? Here's hoping.
Charlie Lloyd
38 Posted 11/10/2017 at 21:53:31
Mike @ 18

You echo the comments of many on here who cite the stubbornness of Koeman's tactics.

I disagree with this. If it was stubbornness, it would be the same team most weeks with the same formations. That is not what is happening. The personnel and formation is constantly changing.

I would say it's not stubbornness v he actually has no idea what his best team is and has no idea what is best for the players at his disposal.

In short.... Clueless.

Neil Copeland
39 Posted 11/10/2017 at 23:04:41
I think that Ronald's only chance of avoiding the push is to pick what he considers to be his best line-up to achieve a result in each of the next 4 games and stick to that team for each of those 4 games. Fat chance I guess.

Perhaps his only other chance is to have the players genetically modified... who knows – he may be working on that as I type!

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