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Nuno approached over Everton post

| Wednesday, 01 November 2017  73 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton have reportedly made contact with Wolves manager Nuno Espirito Santo about becoming the permanent successor to Ronald Koeman.

The Guardian claim that the Portuguese's representative has received an attractive offer from the Blues which he is considering but the suggestions are that he is inclined to remain at Molyneux.

Nuno, who assumed the helm at Wolves last year, has prior managerial experience at Porto and Valencia and has guided the Midlands side to the top of the Championship this season.

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Harry Wallace
1 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:11:06
What a load of tosh!
Steve Ferns
2 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:13:48
So let's get this straight. Wolves are top of the Championship after only 15 games. There's still 31 games to go. On top of that they are only 2 points clear of automatic promotion and 9 above the gap for the playoffs. Wolves have money but he will be on Championship wages. We paid Koeman £6m a year, and made him an "attractive offer" and yet he's going to turn it down and stay at Wolves.

First off, Wolves need to give permission to discuss wages, second, anything can happen in the next 31 games in the Championship. I call bullshit here. This fella would be a long way down our shortlist.

Shane Corcoran
3 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:30:11
Steve, I think Balague's report on this, which is usually pretty much bang on, is that his agent was approached to see if he might be interested. He said no as he wanted to continue with his current "project".

It doesn't mean he was a top choice, merely that he was on a list of maybes.

Brian Porter
4 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:31:57
Not exactly a household name is he?
Kim Vivian
5 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:33:36
Think this one might be dying on it's feet.

What do we know about him anyway? Risky as whiskey if you ask me.

Charlie Lloyd
6 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:36:09
Just paper talk to fill inches...I hope!
Steve Ferns
7 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:39:32
He has managed Porto and Valencia since retiring as a successful player. He was the Portuguese national keeper for years.

He was the manager immediately prior to Gary Neville at Valencia. He did crap and was fired, but then Neville redefined the word crap and took Valencia about 10 places further down, whereas Nuno had Valencia in a similar position to where we normally bounce around. Valenica see themselves as the 3rd biggest club in spain (above atleti) and so after spending a fair whack he was forced to resign.

Then he went home, and did alright with Porto. He won nothing but they did make it out the groups in the CL. He had a bad start last season and was sacked. Then he was out of work for a bit and took the Wolves job.

He's got a decent win % but that's mainly due to the clubs he has managed and the leagues he has managed them in. He likes to play a 343 or a 4231 formation.

I doubt you could seriously consider him, as his "success" is really this season at Wolves and that is 3 months work. I'd file him in the "keep an eye on him drawer" for the future.

Tom Bowers
8 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:42:19
The usual speculation will be rife from all different sources but we can only guess at the moment.
No-names can get lucky sometimes but I would appreciate someone who has done quite well at the clubs he has managed and has Prem. experience.
Coleman would suit me as he got Fulham to the Europa league final and has done very well with a limited Welsh squad.
Laurent Melchiori
9 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:43:18
He's from Jorge Mendes's stable. Nuno basically looked after Mendes's players when managing Valencia.

It's probably just an agent linking his client's name to a big job with Everton's consent, so that we may get Mendes privileges in return down the line. Nothing more I don't think.

Oliver Brunel
10 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:47:55
What do Everton and Valencia have in common? A disposition to hire crap managers
Colin Glassar
11 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:51:51
I think that from now on our managers should only get weekly contracts (0 hours would be even better). If performances and/or results are inadequate then they could be released at minor cost and we could move on in a much more agile manner.

I also think TW, polls, phone-ins, talkshite, Jim White, other Everton forums, the Echo, me, Phil Walling, Darren Hind, Rats, Carra, Phil Neville, Brady/brody, Rachel Wyes, the Sally Army, Twitter, fb, Hoff, Jimmy Krankie and the deep state should all be consulted before any new manager is announced. Democracy in action.

Paul A Smith
12 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:53:41
All we know from these rumours is so far its not Unsworths job.
Clive Rogers
13 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:58:07
Colin, that’s an idea, Jimmy Krankie for Everton manager. The ladies or the men? Not sure.
Oliver Molloy
14 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:03:29
This is all spin and complete bullshit. Every flavour of the month and out of work manager and their respective agents will be putting it out there that they have been approached , and of course they get the chance to turn it down then , but get a little bit of exposure while doing so.

I'll tell you who has been approached and he has let it be known that "it's just the wrong time " - Brendan Rodgers, but hasn't said a word about it and fair play to him.

James Stewart
15 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:07:37
Firstly, I think Shane @2 is correct with his take on this guy.

In the bigger picture though, Everton need to be very careful. There are a lot of blues I know, myself included, totally disillusioned by the club. So much so that I have really questioned why on earth I bother with Everton. We have no ambition or self respect as a club and we are run by idiot after idiot and managed by Incompetent after incompetent. We need an appointment that shows ambition and brings a clear identity to the club, someone to galvanise a lot of very world weary fans.

The fact that we will turn up tomorrow and probably play a weakened team I find disgusting. We should have been taking Europa seriously, or at least attempting to not become a laughing stock across Europe. Unsworth as been brought in at the wrong time and will oversee us going out of two competitions by November. Shameful and inept management by the club. Koeman should have gone earlier and the new manager been in place at the last international break and the season might not have been a total right off.

Steve Ferns
16 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:11:34
What's an appointment that shows ambition though James? Was that not another Koeman on big money, who will then want big money in the transfer market?
Mark Morrissey
17 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:12:42
If I could have the casting vote and they were willing to come ( not including Guardiola etc) I'd have Benitez or Rodgers. I think they are both excellent managers and would love the chance to prove themselves on Merseyside. Both would do a good job and are both have PL experience, both know the city and its fans and are currently doing well at their respective clubs, no egos, no issues.

Not Dyche and not Big Sam.

Tony Everan
18 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:16:19
Yes Paul , they must be in agreement that Unsworth isn’t the man.
Tony Everan
19 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:19:24
From what I can gather he , Nuno, was offered an interview.

He isn’t going to go for that and them maybe get turned down. His job at Wolves would be untenable.

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:20:32
@ Paul and Tony

Could it not also be one of these horrible agents who do the deals without authorisation. You know the types, they negotiate terms on behalf of star players that they are not officially representing, and then once they have a deal they know the player cannot refuse, they approach the player and get him to agree, and then force the club to sell for an offer they can't refuse. The selling club then has to pay them as their negotiating agent to ensure everyone is happy.

So it could be that some agent knows more or less what Everton are looking to pay and has approached Nuno and tried to get him to agree, and for now he has batted them away and then spoke to the press about it.

Or it could just be exaggerated paper talk.

Danny Broderick
21 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:32:41
Some shocking suggestions here. Benitez or Rodgers?! Coleman (incidentally it was Roy Hodgson who took Fulham to the Europa League final).

Let’s just see how it will play out eh?

The next 5 days will play a big role in dictating what will happen...

David Barks
22 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:32:47
If we were to hire this guy, it would mean that 3 of our last 4 managers have been from the Championship. Moyes, then Martinez (he had relegated Wigan so was out of the premier league officially). Would fit the Everton profile I suppose.

Now on the other side, what would it say about Everton if a Championship manager wouldn't want the job? Something tells me that if Liverpool or even Southampton wanted to speak to him he would jump at the chance. This situation is looking worse every day.

James Stewart
23 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:36:00
@14 What would Liverpool or Spurs do if they suddenly needed a manager? It would not be to appointment the guy from Wolves, Big Sam or any other deadbeat mentioned that's for sure . We need to at least start acting like a big club even if we don't believe it.

Tuchel should be interviewed and Ancelotti should be at least asked the question. There is Leonardo Jardim working wonders at Monaco, would he be up for the EPL? I'm not sure but there are plenty of great managers with Champion's league experience we are not looking at.

James Marshall
24 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:42:48
Breaking News: Everton linked with yet another manager from the lower leagues. Yet another manager with a patchy record. Another loser. Makes perfect sense to me.

Same old story, same old Everton. Zzzzz.

Denis Richardson
25 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:47:23
I’d true this would presumably mean the likes of Dyche and Allardyce at not top of the list?

(Keeps fingers, toes and tongue crossed!)

Steve Ferns
26 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:52:41

James, I would agree and have advocated for Tuchel to be considered. In fact if he would sign on the dotted line right now, I would take him. But first he would need to convince me that he could turn things around with the current squad and did not just want to sell everyone in a firesale and then buy a whole new side, and so cost the club £200m or so in wasted transfers and a new side. Of course, Tuchel would be acting out of character if he did that. But I would need him to convince me that he really wants the job and has a plan to succeed.

The Ancelotti problem is that he was sacked from Bayern for a long list of reasons. Worrying reasons. Coaching reasons. How would a manager described as he has been, be able to turn this mess around on the training ground. Instead, he really would have a firesale and then expect a whole new team, and do we really have that kind of money. If he got what he wanted, and he brought in a top coach to do the daily grind for him, then he would be an unprecedented success, I am sure. But he did not do that at Bayern, so why would he do it here? And the reality is that he is now in London and is openly plotting to get Conte sacked and get the Chelsea job back. Just read any of the papers today.

Kunal Desai
27 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:56:09
James Stewart. Totally agree with you this club is a laughing stock in every sense. Disasters after disasters in the last three decades. Its is a nothing club in the PL era. Its the now and here that counts and not the past. Amazes me how people still go on about history, it's just sounds amateurish and pathetic.
James Marshall
28 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:57:47
Plotting to get Conte sacked? I read how he was good friends with Conte and asked not to be asked anything about Chelsea or Conte.
James Marshall
29 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:00:05
Kunal - happily there are more and more people talking about how they hate all the history bollocks. I'm one of them.

I'm sick to death of Everton and their reliance on a long dead past as something to make us successful in the future.

I'm also sick to death of appointing useless losers as manager all the damn time.

Steve Dowdeswell
30 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:03:03
BBC reporting that Nuno has turned us down. Have we sunk that low that he considers managing this team a step backwards?
Geoff Lambert
31 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:04:28
Cheer up lads its a European night tomorrow
Oliver Molloy
32 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:05:59
When Everton fired Koeman , they also knew that in doing so this was going to cost the club another load of money and worse again another load of time for the new manager to build their team or actually maybe they did'nt know!

Now that the penny has dropped with the powers that be in the club , everything points to an Allderdyce or Dyce announcement in my opinion, so pick one of two unless Moshiri decides to "buy" his way out of trouble which I don't believe he will.

Christine Foster
33 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:08:13
What the hell is going on here? All of a sudden we are listening to rumours of managers from poorer / lower league clubs as if its ok? I cannot believe many of you are debating the pluses and negatives of Burnley. Wolves or Watford managers.. are you serious? Is that where you think the club is? None of them, I repeat NONE of them would prevent the slide into relegation, NONE of them could build us into a top six club, let alone a top four club. Can you put your hand on your heart and say they would?

Right.. clear that crap away.. right now we need to stop the rot before we can build again. Unsworth deserves a chance but not now. There is too much riding on it to take a chance on his lack of experience. Sorry but that's called pragmatism.

Alladyce till the end of the season or Benitez now and for the future. I don't care if its boring miserable sodding football as long as its only till the end of the season and we stay up.

I don't care if the FSW wears red shite bed socks, I want to see a team challenge the top four.

Yes there are plenty of foreign managers but few who are available and have experience in the PL and can pull us out of the mire, so until then, concentrate on tomorrow, next week and next month, because if we chose a wannabe PL manager its NOT going to end well.

Steve Ferns
34 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:20:32
Christine, hand on heart, Silva is a much much better manager than that crook Allardyce. He is far more likely to get us into the top 4. And he would prevent the slide into relegation and get us into the top 10 this season. He would also have a long term plan.

Allardyce would sign a load of 6'5" monsters to play centre half, a terrible yard dog of a striker like Bas Dost, and a fullback to smash 60 yard rockets up to him game after game. Just like Unsworth did for Ferguson in the darkest days of Walter Smith. The players would cost a fortune. Our quality players would be sold off cheap, the academy pipeline would be turned off. The recruits would be going elsewhere. Big Sam's son would be in charge of transfers in and out and be taking a healthy cut.

No, no, no. This is our worst nightmare. Don't even dare type it. We need to do this the Everton way and play our way back up to 7th, there's 28 games left. This is easily fixed, but it takes hard work on the training ground that Koeman, Ancelotti, and Allardyce are not prepared or skilled enough to do, but guys like Silva and Tuchel are. Perhaps Unsworth can, and lets see what happens as he gets more and more time to work with the players.

Kim Vivian
35 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:25:02
I haven't read all these posts but it is worth pointing out that it is pretty likely he will be a prem' manager next year without coming to us (which if he did could conceivably mean he is a championship manager again next year). Perish the thought.
Colin Glassar
36 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:34:09
Simeone is on the verge. Maybe we should offer him a lifeline.
Tony Twist
37 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:45:01
Oh my god. Who has pluck this bloke out of nowhere! Smells of our, look at these percentages, DOF! I was fairly comfortable that we would pick someone sensible but this bloke! We must be up s**t creek without a paddle. Not impressed at all.
Eddie Dunn
38 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:46:49
Kim- they just lost at QPR, and many Yam-yams will tell you, they have a habit of fucking things up. It's very early days.
George Cumiskey
39 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:54:31
Kunal@25 you have just perfectly described Bill Kenwright !.
Phil Walling
40 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:59:07
As if . as if any of us who frequent these columns know the first thing about how to go about appointing the perfect manager for Everton - or any other club for that matter !

Guestimates as to the ability, suitability, integrity or any other 'ity' are all well and good but if truth be told, none of us knows the proverbial Jack Shit about what the job calls for let alone the kind of guy who can transport us to the promised land.

The big trouble is, i've got even less faith in Moshy and Blue Bill ability to get it right either !

Derek Knox
41 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:00:45
Colin @ 9, excellent idea, maybe if it was extended to players as well, we may see better performances all round; too many gravy train passengers, travelling first class, and haven't even bought a ticket.

Oh by the way, for the time being Nuno, a Nono from me. Nanu, nanu.

Phil Sammon
42 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:03:52
If Balague said it, it’s almost certainly bollocks.

Let’s be clear. The bloke has no interest in football outside of Madrid and Barca. Clueless!

Eddie Dunn
43 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:06:27
The more I think of our position at the moment the more angry I get at the pathetic inaction of the "powers that be" firstly selling Lukaku to a PL rival, and secondly not replacing him with a player of some repute.
I must add that as much as I was unimpressed by Koeman's tactical nous, I think we have gone the way of so many mid-table teams who have reached the Europa and found it too much of a strain on resources and recovery etc.
Perhaps we are not fit enough, perhaps our squad lacks depth in certain areas, and Koeman upset a few people too.
Koeman is the scapegoat, and the voices on here questioning those still in a job are relevent.
What is the role of Walsh?
Who has the final say on transfers?
Is it Bill or Farhad?
How fit is the squad?
Who is top of the famous "Bleep" test?
What do the squad weigh?
Focus needs to be on everything. Unsworth talks of the collective Everton.
Koeman wasn't the only clown in the circus
James Marshall
44 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:09:53
Talking of the weight of the squad, did anyone else see the photos of them training for the Lyon game? Giving each other fucking piggy backs... It's like we're still training the same way we did back in the bloody 60's. Embarrassing.
David Hallwood
45 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:14:10
I'd only take him if he came with the Father & Son(Catholic joke)
Derek Knox
46 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:14:48
James, as long as it was piggy backs, I've heard of some hair raising antics at Grinch Farm.
Kim Vivian
47 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:15:18
Won last night, Eddie.
Mark Morrissey
48 Posted 01/11/2017 at 20:42:55
Danny @21, why do you find the idea of Rodgers or Benitez as shocking. I didn't say Graeme Souness or Phil Thompson, I suggested R & B because they are both good managers who would both jump at the chance of having one over on our neighbours. Both sacked from Liverpool but both did a good job and both still have homes in the area. Is it the Liverpool connection or do you just think they are shit ?

I'd be very happy with either and perhaps Rodgers could bring Dembele with him.

Chris Leyland
49 Posted 01/11/2017 at 21:04:57
Mark, I couldn’t decide whether you were being serious when you suggested Rodgers or Benitez earlier, particularly when you stated that neither has an ego but your post at #48 suggests you are serious.

Rafa, I can see why in terms of his CV but Google ‘Brendan Rodgers ego’ and see what comes up. My favourite snipets are these from a couple of articles after he was sacked by the shite:

“The common consensus in British football is that Brendan Rodgers is a huge fan of … well … Brendan Rodgers.”

“There is an inevitable feeling of shock when someone so utterly convinced by his own ability loses their job. By anybody’s standards of egotism, Brendan Rodgers climbed new heights. This is a man with a huge portrait of himself in his own lounge.”

Tony Dove
50 Posted 01/11/2017 at 21:25:51
Mark @48. If you are championing ex Liverpool managers then you do not get Everton and that is about about as polite as way as I can put it.

Colin Glassar
51 Posted 01/11/2017 at 21:34:43
I’ll second that, Tony.
Geoff Lambert
52 Posted 01/11/2017 at 21:42:52
Can I add a third please?
Eddie Dunn
53 Posted 01/11/2017 at 21:45:49
Tony Dove and Colin. Firstly Tony, that is an unfair comment to say that Mark "Does not get Everton". On a par with posters suggesting that others are not real EFC fans.
We have had players from our neighbours like Harper , Sheedy and Beardsley and their previous employment has not impaired their contribution to the Everton cause.
This is football, an industry where players and coaches move jobs on a regular basis and the nature of the business means that they are mostly mercenaries with no natural love of their employer club, unless they are from the area.
I have confidence that Rodgers or Benitez would be professional enough to do the job well, and if they had success with us, their history would be forgiven, of that I am sure.
Peter Mills
54 Posted 01/11/2017 at 23:06:46
I am not happy about the current state of our club, and fully acknowledge the need to improve in many areas. But I take great exception to anyone referring to Everton Football Club as “a laughing stock in every sense”. And our history is not “bollocks”, it’s real, it’s true, and it forms a big part of who we are.

Some of the stuff posted on this site over the last few days has been shameful.

Andrew James
55 Posted 01/11/2017 at 23:29:13

He did well for one season courtesy of Suarez and Sturridge's best ever form. Things became difficult, he ran out of steam and their defence was porous. Now at Celtic shooting fish in a barrel.


Called us a small club and plays unattractive football. NO WAY.

James Marshall
56 Posted 01/11/2017 at 23:57:35
Put history may not be bollocks but it sure as hell hasn't helped us in the last 30 years. Nor will it help our future.

We can all bleat on about what an amazing club we support, but the truth is that it hasn't been any good for 30 years.

Out recent history is shite.

James Marshall
57 Posted 01/11/2017 at 23:58:04
*our history
Jim Potter
58 Posted 02/11/2017 at 00:25:47
"Nuno Espirito Santo?"

Sounds like a prayer.

Just not the answer to ours.

Si Cooper
59 Posted 01/11/2017 at 00:34:21
I think I am in agreement with Phil Walling in not being able to see how people can be so certain that particular individuals will definitely get x, y and z from our current squad.
The first decision the board need to make is whether the appointment is purely about survival, or whether their next appointee is going to be expected to have long term ambitions. Then they just need to circulate the job requirements via the agents and see who responds. Whoever gets the job, the prerequisites surely have to be an eagerness to come and do the job the board want them to do, and an interview process that is ruled by pragmatism should then suffice.
Alan McGuffog
60 Posted 02/11/2017 at 08:18:20
One of our most unsung ( sorry, is that English ?) heroes of the 1960s was Johnny Morrison. Stole him from Mordor and Shankly went apeshit. Please desist from talking about "getting Everton"
Will Mabon
61 Posted 02/11/2017 at 08:26:20
Geoff Evans
62 Posted 02/11/2017 at 08:32:12
Mark (48) Get your head in gear before you open your mouth.
Tony Dove
63 Posted 02/11/2017 at 09:31:52
Eddie@53. In my view to properly get Everton you have to hate all things connected to Liverpool FC.
Tony Everan
64 Posted 02/11/2017 at 09:47:16
What? You want me to hate my daddy, one of my brothers and my auntie Eileen?

Think of the Sunday dinners I would forgo..

Alan McGuffog
65 Posted 02/11/2017 at 10:05:10
Thanks Will. Bloody predictive text. Guess if we'd signed Jim Morrison we'd have had more skirt going the game
Steve Mink
66 Posted 02/11/2017 at 13:40:24
Can't stand Rodgers but would be delighted if we could tempt Benitez.
Justin Doo
67 Posted 03/11/2017 at 15:13:22
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum remember that simple motto. Roberto Mancini is a great manager who's won both here and abroad. 4 and a half years ago we'd didn't even appear to be interested in him but this time we need the best = Roberto Mancini = NSNO
Paul Hewitt
68 Posted 03/11/2017 at 22:32:13
Watched Wolves tonight. They do play good football.
Colin Glassar
69 Posted 04/11/2017 at 20:16:03
Guus Hiddink being strongly linked tonight on social media on an end to season contract.

Now this makes sense. The guys a fire extinguisher and he organises teams to play unattractive but effective football. He taught Ronald Koeman at Eindhoven apparently.

Denis Richardson
70 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:08:18
All gone eerily quiet on the manager front. Guess the Watford result's got the board rethinking.

Got everything crossed that the ginger one is given the West Ham gig to take him out of our equation. Allardyce is a crook but at least he'd be temporary. Could not stand it if Moyes turned up again.

If Moyes is at West Ham they should stock blue and white grim reaper outfits in the EFC store 29th November.

James Stewart
71 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:13:19
Christ Hiddink now... No thanks. We need someone young, hungry and on the rise, not some old fart in steady decline. Least of all one who taught Koeman anything!
Ian Bennett
72 Posted 06/11/2017 at 20:06:49
Either the football world is more known, or the quality seems to be in less supply.

Distinct lack of options for manager, centre back and striker - something we need.

One name I'd be open to is Manuel Pellegrini. He seemed decent at City, Malaga, Madrid and Villarreal. He's won trophies and got teams into the champions league. His side's always seem balanced. I'd like to know what City thought of him first mind to avoid a Koeman size mistake.

Minik Hansen
73 Posted 06/11/2017 at 22:46:33
St. Domingo's manager Espirito Santo, now that's something lol

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