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Everton mull selling Keane

| Monday, 12 February 2018 78comments  |  Jump to last
Michael Keane's stay with Everton could be curtailed if a report in Sunday People holds any water.

The tabloid suggested yesterday that the club would consider selling the defender this summer, just a year after he arrived in a deal from Burnley that could end up topping £30m if he stays at Goodison Park for the long haul.

The Blues could end up taking a loss on the England international, however, if they can't get the evaluation they would want.

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Victor Yu
1 Posted 12/02/2018 at 06:24:15
Meanwhile big clubs are looking to sign McGuire for £50M this summer.
Derek Knox
2 Posted 12/02/2018 at 06:54:21
While I appreciate his form hasn't been great recently, the lad has had an injured foot, and been in and out of the side.

I still think there are a lot who deserve to go before him, but would hold on for a while, till the team and Club get settled themselves. A decent manager may be just what he needs.

Besides, who does Allardyce think he is, having the audacity to sell players (at a loss) when he (hopefully) is only here short term himself?

Mark Tanton
3 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:28:14
If people like Keane, Klaassen and Sandro leave the club, then Walsh should not just be sacked he should be paraded past Goodison while we pelt him eggs. What a disgraceful legacy he has left us.

I notice his ‘record' at Leicester is Slimani and a bunch of other players who have barely made an appearance.

Colin Glassar
4 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:31:36
Nothing to add to that, Mark. This is a disgrace. Except for Sigurdsson, most of Walsh's signings have been a complete disaster.
Brian Williams
5 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:51:01
Yeh, because The Sunday People is always right and always out there with the big truthful stories.

Come on, lads – you're better than this!

Guy Hastings
6 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:54:50
Keane's positioning and awareness need to be sorted out. Oh, sorry, I thought the defence was done and dusted weeks ago according to our saviour Big Fraudulent Sam.
Vijay Nair
7 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:04:52
Give him a decent run in the side with a reliable partner alongside (no not Mangala or Williams) and he will shine, I'm sure of it.
Andy Williams
8 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:12:15
Agree Vijay. There are a few players who need to be given a chance in a more stable side before we start to discard all these players that played very well in other teams.
Karl Meighan
9 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:31:23
So Sam didn't buy Keane never made his positioning or mobility shite or his average heading or tackling for that matter but it's his fault 㿊m was so far pissed up the wall on him? Want to add Klaassen, Sandro and the rest of the shambolic transfer dealings before he got the job at his door as well.

I was pissed off accepting defeat at the Emirates, something this Club should never do but it seems fashionable to blame Sam for everything. At this rate we will end up with more managers than central defenders.

Tony Everan
10 Posted 12/02/2018 at 09:04:55
Walsh is a disaster zone. His recruiting has been totally shambolic. Me, you or a man with a dog in the pub could have made better signings with tha money.

It all points to poor scouting. Poor, inadequate diligence taken on any given player. Strong personalities winning false arguments on players.

These constant debacles have set the club back years, something has got to change.

John Davies
11 Posted 12/02/2018 at 09:32:05
There are far more players who should be out the door before this lad.
Kevin Gillen
12 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:03:45
So he was No 1 choice on Saturday and we are considering selling him even though Williams and Jagielka aren't up to a full season any more? What a load of rubbish.

Keane will go on to be an Everton regular for years. Give the lad a chance, he's played through injuries and it's his first season alongside 5 different partners and two different systems so far.

On Saturday he was very good even though with our static midfield he had nobody to pass to at times and inevitably had to lump it as Fat Sam demands. We need to build this lad's confidence and find a regular partner for him.

Why can't someone write Everton consider selling Schneiderlin if they want to amuse us on the weekend?

Shane Corcoran
13 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:04:08
Was he a Walsh signing though? What I mean is that Koeman confirmed that we were interested in Rooney and Keane as far back as this time last year. Could it be that Koeman actually had his own specific targets which the club went along with?
Terry Underwood
14 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:08:23
Er, we actually do need to have centre backs, no use selling one till we have a replacement.
John Raftery
15 Posted 12/02/2018 at 11:08:23
Much as we might like to, the club cannot afford to write off all of our 2017 signings. We will be forced to take a hit on Schneiderlin and Klaassen but despite the obvious flaws in their play Pickford, Keane and Sigurdsson must be part of the squad next season.

The defence and indeed our attack will look a whole lot better once we sign a strong central midfielder. I have every confidence Sam will do that in the summer.

James O'Connell
16 Posted 12/02/2018 at 11:17:43
Keane could be a decent part of a solid defence, if we can put quality around him I think he will be as good as he was at Burnley. Give the lad a chance he has had injuries and not much around him that inspires anyone watching yet alone playing.

I don't think this manager should be deciding which players we buy or sell anyway.

Jim Bennings
17 Posted 12/02/2018 at 12:35:12
Keane needs a more reliable more athletic pacy partner next season. What we badly need is a modern day Sylvain Distin or a Lescott type player. Look at our options for defence?

Mangala is short term with no option to buy anyway but obviously his record in England hasn't been very good to date and has started with two dodgy performances (well one and half).

Williams and Jagielka are both yesterday's men and not the future.

Holgate is too young in my opinion and not really physical or that good yet to be relied upon in the centre of defence . He gets bullied too easily by stronger opponents, also his distribution is on a par with Williams for being awful.

Funes Mori will leave in the summer I think, has been out for what seems like forever and I can't even remember the last time I seen this guy play for Everton? He's another though that while he is competent enough, he turns like the QE2.

I think there's a good defender there somewhere in Michael Keane but not whilst this merry-go-round of defensive partners carries on.

James Stewart
18 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:20:47
He needs a proper partner to be judged fairly. Sadly Jagielka is no longer fit enough and the rest of our centre backs are atrocious so until we bring one in I would hold on to him.
Karen Mason
19 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:21:12
Hi John at 13,
if Big Sam is allowed to choose and buy a central defender, we'll end up with a big bruiser of a player, who hoofs the ball to Row Z, coz that's his style.

I would much prefer a defender who can play, and carry the ball out of defence (but do row Z when absolutely required). Not easy to find, but they are around.

Jim at 15, while I agree that Jags may not be the long term future, he is the present, and most central defenders are best in maturity. The combination of an old head with a young athletic partner are usually the best together. I feel that Jags, alongside Holgate has been our best combination so far.

Holgate can play, and I have watched him bring the ball out of defence with great composure. I know he has made mistakes, but haven't they all. He will be an excellent centre back with the right coaching. But sadly for him as as a youngster, he has had much to cope with.

I really want Keane to succeed. He did have a great season at Burnley, which is why we were attracted to him, but he did have a good manager there. He too, needs the right manager to advise him and work with him. His confidence is clearly shot to pieces. Fingers crossed we get a proper coaching manager in the summer who will bring out the best in him again.

All the players need a chance with a better manager who can restore confidence, passion and a modern style of football. Only then should we look at who goes and who stays.

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:54:49
Jim, I would say that Keane needs a modern day Dave Watson. The whole team is crying out for a leader. You'd think with the Captain of Wales in the middle of defence, particularly after his performances in the Euros that that wouldn't be the case. The defence doesn't look organised enough, they get pulled out of shape too easily, and they fail to deal with corners.

As bad as Williams has been, I still think the Williams / Holgate partnership offers the most. After that, Jagielka / Keane is the next best. Jagielka / Williams is a disaster. Williams and Keane haven't done too well together, and I don't think we've seen Keane and Holgate.

Mangala hasn't played enough, but he appears to be another that needs to be led, rather than one to lead.

Fran Mitchell
21 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:04:37
Not good enough. Simples.

In reality, apart from pickford, coleman, davies, sigurdsson, gueye and walcott, (and for me, dcl and lookman)

Sell the lot of em. Rebuild.

Brian Cleveland
22 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:21:29
Remember when Spurs bought a whole lot of players with the Bale money and most seemed to be duds? We were laughing at them, but look where they are now? The question is (and it really is a question!), who many of those they bought are still there and now part of their upward looking team?

Are we just going through a huge transition and need patience, or have we really bought shite? Can we really miss the target so badly every time or are they being dragged into the turmoil once they get here? Second rate managers, short term contracts, not popular with the fans, boardroom transition and insecurity, etc...

Keane has been far from impressive but, given that Jags looks like he can only play 1 in 3 games now, Williams has been pretty crap since he came, Funes Mori never convinced me but I find myself praying he comes back soon, Mangala is an accident (with no waiting to happen!), Holgate at times great, at times switches off I don't think we can afford to get rid, I think he will be reasonable if not setting the world alight, once there is some consistency at all levels.

Oh, and Fran (19) "Sell the lot of em. Rebuild." Isn't rebuilding basically what is going on... how successful that is remains to be seen, but at the moment, we can only shake our heads in disbelief at times.

Dean Johnson
23 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:25:57
I still can't understand how there are still professional defenders who couldn't trap a bag of cement, and ones that can't defend either.

Keane appears to be both, can't pass/control a ball, can't defend. Exactly how does this make you worth 㿊million?

Walsh to be paraded and egged? Love that idea too

Rob Brady
24 Posted 12/02/2018 at 15:32:03
I agree completely with the first point Brian @ 22 mentions

So many clubs have bought players they believed would add something special to their squad only for them to be a complete waste of time & money. We don't have to think for very long to be able to name an expensive player for another team that ended up being a complete nobby

Everton are hurting from our current pool of misfits because we don't have the commercial resources that some of the teams who qualify for the Champions League season after season have to just spend on new players if any of the existing squad are deemed not good enough

As shite as things are right now I don't think we have set ourselves back as badly as it feels right at this time. If we win our next two games its likely we will be in the top 7 and more importantly as good as safe for this season

We have had a shocker in terms of results and performances so far this season but teams who have spent much more than us like Arsenal and Chelsea have also underachieved

Everton are still comfortably the 7th team in the league in terms of fan base and financial ability. We do need to spend more wisely but then when we do that means playing it safe and signing players like Rooney and Walcott and those type of signings don't exactly help us get to the next level either. We have to take risks too on new talent and we have to give them some proper game time when we do. Plus if we could snag a sugar daddy like they have at City it will help also

A lot of modern day players especially the foreign signings are confidence motivated. Warming the bench week after week is completely demotivating, so the negative cycle continues. When they convinced Tosun to leave a Champs League club I doubt they said, by the way lad expect to play half an hour a month for us

We played against Palace in the way we thought we'd see more often this season. There is still hope but the strategy behind how all kind of decisions are taken at EFC from team management to executive responsibilities needs a complete overhaul and update

John Raftery
25 Posted 12/02/2018 at 15:49:53
Karen (19) We have enough central defenders on the books. It is a central midfielder we need.
Pat Waine
26 Posted 12/02/2018 at 16:12:22
People should realise that Koeman bears the lion's share of the responsibility for all the signings on his watch. My view is that Koeman agreed to any arrangement that saw Walsh appointed. Klaassen, Martina, Keane all appear to be Koeman signings.

My view is that he wrecked the club and we can moan all we like but it will take years now to correct the damage. I just hope Moshiri sticks the pace and continues to fund yet another new manager for the long-term project
Anthony Hawkins
27 Posted 12/02/2018 at 16:15:53
This is very wrong in my book.
Barry Metcalfe
28 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:03:23
As a cumbersome, slow and unathletic central defender, these are big disadvantages in the world of fast powerful Premier League forwards. The physical speed to counter the quick-thinking players who can hit penetrative passes is also a disadvantage.

For Keane to have any chance of becoming a decent Premier League defender he would need to develop the ability to read a game and position himself accordingly along the lines of a John Terry. The team would have to be set up to defend deep and the midfield to protect him. I doubt a fast defensive partner would have the spare capacity to cover for him if the team needed to push up the field.

Even John Terry was found wanting when Chelsea under Villa Boas defended higher up the pitch – and Keane is nowhere near Terry's quality. I feel that Keane is quite aware of his inadequacies and this undermines his confidence and further impinges on his movement.

I would definitely move Keane out, he is not what we require if we want to break into the top echelon of the Premier League.

Paul Kelly
29 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:14:09
“The Blues could end up taking a loss on the England international”,

He pays for England!!!!

Brian Hennessy
30 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:24:18
Can you imagine the fun Sam will have when Funes Mori comes back?

He can then try 4 or 5 different defensive combinations in the same game, because at the moment, he looks like he hasn't a clue who to pick

Karen Mason
31 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:20:05
Hi John (25),

Yes I agree that we don't need to sign another central defender. Perhaps you misunderstood. I am not advocating that, but was just responding to the thread of the rumour that Michael Keane may be sold – and if he were, what type of central defender I would like to replace him ( after somebody else had commented that Big Sam would find/buy us a central defender).

If you read the end of my post, I did say that I think that all our current players deserve a chance if we are lucky enough to get a Manager who is a good coach and can bring the best out of them. Only then, when we see were we need to strengthen the squad, it should be decided who should go and who should stay.

ps: Don't you think we have enough midfielders? I think a left back is more of a priority, personally. Though Cuco is trying really hard and shouldn't be castigated.

Si Cooper
32 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:28:59
I have a funny feeling that Keane and Mangala will be the most used central defenders in the remaining fixtures. I also think Mangala isn't the epic disaster zone that people are labelling him.
John Raftery
33 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:48:08
Karen (29),

I am assuming Schneiderlin will go in the summer and McCarthy will be out injured for 12 months. Playing Rooney deeper will only work in certain games, usually those against the weaker teams at home, and in any event he can't do two games a week.

We desperately need a midfielder with pace, tackling strength and the passing ability to move the team up the field when we gain possession. Our lack of midfield cover was exposed on Saturday when the only option in place of Gana was Schneiderlin and we all know how well that was received!

Dermot Byrne
34 Posted 12/02/2018 at 19:06:14
Selling Keane would be so stupid.
Paul Thompson
35 Posted 12/02/2018 at 20:31:04
Let's set aside the non-story. The words 'Sunday People' should be enough.

We should persevere with Keane. He's young and was used to playing in a well drilled, deep-lying Burnley defence. The defensive set-up has been a shambles this season and Keane has admitted to a loss of confidence.

Williams will surely go and Jags will at best be an occasional back-up. Let's see Keane alongside a decent left-sided centre-back and full back, with Coleman restored. If the limitations persist, then we sell.


Neil Cremin
36 Posted 12/02/2018 at 21:23:19
So many managers on the pitch wanting to sell half our team and holding onto just 8 players, and different view on who to keep and who to hold. (Which changes with each match).

Schneiderlin should go because he has played regularly and contributed nothing except disharmony. Have we won most of the games when he was dropped???

The following players have not been given a chance: Klaassen, Vlasic, Tosun, Ramirez (although I am less convinced on his ability to make he grade) Baningime, Fumes Mori. (Besic has been dismissed before he had a chance to come back although very injury prone.)

I would like to see last Saturday's line-up repeated with exchange of like-for-like type players.

Klaassen for Davies
Baningime for Gana
Tosun or Calvert-Lewin for Niasse
Vlasic for Sigurdsson
Bolasie for Walcott

Possibly more or better suggestions but we do need a young player who can play deep and spread the ball around like Rooney to vary the attack and not rely on hoofing it up to lone centre-forwards.

Keith Dempsey
37 Posted 12/02/2018 at 21:37:14
Finally, Brian's post #22 like the proverbial London bus, you wait ages for 1 and then 2 come along.

Even Fergie got wrong sometimes: Veron, Kleberson, that Italian goalie, Mourinho – the list is endless. Even our neighbours with Ballotelli, Aqualani and Carroll – the only difference is them clubs know if you buy enough you eventually get the right players and they are the ones who get remembered.

Anthony A Hughes
38 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:20:51
How about some good old fashioned coaching on the training pitch to try to improve the lad's skill-set?
Christy Ring
39 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:22:28
Keane looked a class player at Burnley, and that's why we paid 㿊m to sign him. He didn't become a bad player overnight.

Our back four was a shambles from the start of the season, which Koeman never addressed. We had no right-back, with Seamus injured, we had no left-back apart from Baines, who is passed his best, and no left-sided centre-back, and no wonder he found it hard to settle with Williams beside him. It would be a huge mistake to sell him, and the Sunday People prints a lot of crap.

I can't understand why Holgate has fallen out of favour. I thought he played his best game against Liverpool, with power and pace, unless he was carrying an injury. He played for the U23s tonight, and I'd have him in the first 11.

Tony Abrahams
40 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:40:47
Keene was impressing me on Saturday, until he had to switch sides once Mangala was injured. He was passing the ball like a midfielder, out to Coleman, or Walcott, and I know he messed one simple pass up, and nearly caused a disaster early on, but we are a team without much movement especially early in a game.

I think he's very fragile, because it's been an absolute nightmare of a season. He could get on the front foot more, especially in the air, but I think it would be foolish to get rid of him this early, especially with everything still up in the air.

Carl Allan
41 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:03:15
Sell Keane at a knock-down price and give Ashley Williams a new deal – that is the Everton way.
Andy Williams
42 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:31:47
Ridiculous. As with many of our new players, he needs to be given a chance.

The disarray that has characterised this season has had a bad effect on the veterans never mind the new ones. Add to that his injuries the constant changing of team and formation the moans and groans of Goodison after every mistake and it is no wonder that players are struggling.

I have said many times before that players don't turn to crap overnight.

Don Alexander
43 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:34:16
I mean no disrespect to Kenny, Martina, Jagielka or Williams but one is a sprog, the next a right-back at best and never a left-back in a month of Sundays, the next appreciably past his good (and he was only ever good, let's be serious) best and the last a newbie introduced from a team (Swansea) where defensive cohesion was a given even if the individual talents of its component parts wasn't of the highest order.

Into this flakiness we introduce Michael Keane, Steve Walsh and the chairman alone presumably expecting defensive reliability to ensue throughout the team despite them failing to sign what their manager went public about in early August.

Whilst I really wonder about the psychological make-up of very many of our squad – taking evasive action to avoid a ball speeding towards our goal being a point in question for too many, carefully avoiding making tackles for a few others – is it any wonder Keane's head has been done in, for one, if not many more, by the gross incompetence of whoever was responsible for the summer transfer debacle?

Anthony Dwyer
44 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:40:24
Keane and Funes Mori with Holgate as back-up, Jagiekla and Williams need moving on, Galloway and Pennington need decisions made on the quickly.

New left-back needed with Baines as back up.

Bob Parrington
45 Posted 13/02/2018 at 00:19:25
This is all tabloid crap. Everton "mull over"...??

So, in the same context, Liverpool "mull over" selling Salah. Spurs "mull over" selling Kane, Leicester "mull over" selling Vardy.

We "mull over" where to spend Christmas.

Well, it was on TW – We "mull over" taking on Conte as our new manager.

Crazy stuff!

Bill Gienapp
46 Posted 13/02/2018 at 02:35:54
No, no, no, no – the notion of cutting bait on Keane is utterly ludicrous. The guy's a highly regarded England international entering his prime – put him in a consistent, functional, well-drilled back four and then you can pass judgment.

I also agree with Derek (#2) – Sam shouldn't be concerning himself with summer business in the first place. Get us to the end of the season and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Ajay Gopal
47 Posted 13/02/2018 at 05:10:03
I agree it would be a mistake to sell Keane unless we have a ridiculously talented centre-back lying in wait. I believe Holgate will be a massive player for us (if not, the next 50 million player sold to balance the books in a couple of years time).

Browning seems to be playing almost all the games for a poor Sunderland side.

Pennington is in and out, but he might turn out to be decent too.

Galloway is an enigma.

Feeney looked decent in his Europa League debut although I believe we shipped a lot of goals that day.

Gibson has been brought in as a solid, tough, no-nonsense defender.

Let us see how Funes Mori does when he comes back, he played 74 mins in a clean-sheet victory over Barnsley for the U-23s.

Hopefully Mangala's injury is not too bad and he is given another opportunity against Watford.

Plenty of options, but Sam has to quickly settle on a solid long-term central defensive partnership so that we hit the ground running next season.

Kenny Smith
48 Posted 13/02/2018 at 06:33:29
With a run of games possibly alongside Funes Mori then thing might turn for him. Yes he's had a shocker this season but he's not alone now is he.

Let him play through his bad spell once we hit 40 points, I'm sure he ll come out the other side. There's no point in spunking another £30-40 million on a centre half when we may have the right one there after all.

God, we've been shite this season.

Peter Lee
49 Posted 13/02/2018 at 06:37:18
John (Raftery) you're dead right about a strong central midfield player. I'd go for two, Spurs perm two from three of Dier, Dembele and Wanyama.

No doubt Sam Allardyce sees it as a priority. As soon as he could get McCarthy back in he did, despite his limitations/ recent return from injury.

In general terms regarding transfer success, and without defending anyone, The Telegraph did a comparison between Ferguson and Wenger a few years ago in transfer dealings. Both had a success rate over nearly 20 years of less than 50% of players signed for the first team remaining at their club in the first team squad as permanent fixtures.

Look at Spurs. Their disasters with the Bale money have been mentioned but try as they might they have yet to sign an effective understudy for Kane. Lamella's only recent contribution was getting kicked for a pen at Anfield. A long-term injury to Harry Kane would see them struggle.

Sam Hoare
50 Posted 13/02/2018 at 07:46:49
Peter, I think Son has been a very effective understudy for Kane. Though often played out wide he has also done pretty well when standing in for the striker. Great player.

I agree with you entirely about needing a strong, pacy midfield general. Far too often our midfielders are too slow or too lazy to close down or track runners in behind. Dembele for me is one of the best central midfielders in the league, always rue not getting him when we were similarly positioned to Spurs.

Tony Marsh
51 Posted 13/02/2018 at 07:56:56
Karl @ 9

I totally agree with you, mate. A huge section of our fan base are embarrassing to listen to when it comes to the pathetic name and blame game regarding Sam Allardyce. Oh what short memories they have. We were virtually down before Allardyce took the job nobody else wanted.

I am not a big Allardyce fan but he is here and he is doing what he was brought in to do which is keep us safe from relegation. Nothing more, nothing less. How anyone can blame Allardyce for the Keane signing is beyond a joke.

Fat Sam, Big Head Sam, Big Horrid Sam.. Honestly, some of you sound like 10-year-old girls on the school playground.

Phil Sammon
52 Posted 13/02/2018 at 08:30:10
Sam (#50),

I completely agree. Dembele is a wonderful player. He's so graceful for such a powerful bloke. Great at carrying the ball too, which is something we haven't had in a long time.

The worst thing about our recent transfers is not the personnel lacking quality, it's the scattergun approach without any thought as to how we want to play the game.

Klaassen is the best example. How was he ever going to fit into a team with Rooney and Sigurdsson? He's not a cut-and-thrust player. He is a brilliant exponent of one-touch football. I honestly think he'd be a top player in the Man City team. Give him other players to buzz around him and I really think he'd be top class.

But he can't get a game. Instead we have Rooney drilling 60-yard cross-field balls to the opposition's left back 15 times a game.

The Mangala loan is a disgrace too, while I'm at it. We have centre-backs coming out of our ears. How can you sanction that loan when Martina is still plodding away at left-back.

I honestly hate Everton at the moment. Clueless.

Frank Sheppard
53 Posted 13/02/2018 at 17:34:04
I think he will come good and improve. Too early for many of these knee-jerk, glass half-empty, and overly negative comments.
Bobby Thomas
54 Posted 13/02/2018 at 20:44:42
Phil (#52),

I know where you are coming from on the Mangala loan, but the reason he may have been signed is that we are chronically slow and weak right through the center of the side, and especially at centre-half.

Karen Mason
55 Posted 13/02/2018 at 22:48:13
Anthony at 38.

Music to my ears. Yes, yes, yes. A manager who can coach each player to improve is the way forward. I'm sure the whole squad would be producing much improved performances with a good coach at the helm. I'm with you all the way.

I'm not an advocate of buying or selling until we really see what the players can do with a decent coach as a manager. Only then we will be able see where we need to strengthen. Then decide who should stay and who should go.

Let's face it, we have no idea of what some of our signings are even capable of. Many fans have written some off without even seeing them given a chance to play.

David Israel
56 Posted 13/02/2018 at 23:44:08
Moscow Radio are saying the same. It must be true, then.
David Israel
57 Posted 13/02/2018 at 00:05:25
Ajay #47, yes, according to credible reports we do have that centre back. His name is Morgan (no, not that one, Morgan Feeney).
Kim Vivian
58 Posted 14/02/2018 at 09:33:52
It's ridiculous.

Keane has been here just over half a season with crap managers and playing in a team that is playing like shite.

He's young, definitely got potential, and if we let him go, no doubt taking a financial hit as well, just watch him grow and develop with someone else. The lad cannot be labelled as crap and castigated on the evidence of this season. At the end of the day, who in our squad has increased their market value based on this season alone? Maybe Dominic Calvert-Lewin. I can't think of anyone else.

I'm praying for the 40 or 42 points or whatever we will need, let everyone relax a tad, look forward to Sam fucking off and regrouping before next season. With another new manager. Again. Please just get on with it because I am not getting any younger.

Andrew Clare
59 Posted 14/02/2018 at 10:10:27
Let's face it, most of the players we have bought either haven't had a decent run in the team or they have been playing under very average managers. I am sure that with the right man in charge we will see a marked improvement in all of them.

Keane is a highly rated player and I expect him to succeed in the right environment. As for these newspaper reports, well does anyone believe what they read in the papers anymore?

Colin Malone
60 Posted 14/02/2018 at 12:13:02
He's a good footballing centre half, that's where the problem lies with Big Sam's football philosophy. Also the chopping and changing the defence does not help any player.
Alex Mullan
61 Posted 14/02/2018 at 14:12:16
Walsh is despicable and needs to go. The only good signing he's made has been Theo bloody Walcott and who hadn't heard of him? Hardly needed any sort of scouting.

Even his face annoys me.

Robert Davidson
62 Posted 14/02/2018 at 16:12:36
Speculation about Everton finishing in the top 4 prior to the season starting was ridiculously premature! We are still very much in the re-building phase and that work needs to be happening now in readiness for a fast start in the new transfer window in May.

It will be difficult with the World Cup but it's not rocket science and Everton clearly need a strong left-back, a left-sided central defender, a creative central midfielder and another left-sided forward. Unfortunately a lot of clubs are after these players but Mr Walsh and his team need to focus as a priority in addressing these weak positions.

In parallel, there is a lot of offloading to be done with players out on loan, some of which should be sold and others reaching the twilight zone and needing to move on!

Mike Gaynes
63 Posted 14/02/2018 at 21:40:15
Brian #5, I guess not. But nice try, mate.
Brian Williams
64 Posted 14/02/2018 at 21:46:35
Pickford is on his way out at the end of the season though.
Bobby Mallon
65 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:05:13
Look, when the Red Shite wanted a manager, they went and got Klopp. Who in turn bought Mane, Salah, Firminho, Coutinho, Van Dijk...

We got Koeman, who bought Sandro, Klaassen, Sigurdsson Keane... That there says it all.

We need to get a manager who has total control over signings – and we need to get rid of Walsh.

Brian Williams
66 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:08:48
By the way, I made that up, just as the journo for the Sunday People has done regarding Keane. See how easy it is?
Bobby Mallon
67 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:09:33
Robert @63 – we may need all who you say but what we really badly need is a system that we stick to.
Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:32:36
Brian, it must be true then.

I hear it's because his face annoys Alex.

Andy Crooks
69 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:36:20
Tony, @51, "we were virtually down before Allardyce took the job nobody wanted" – complete and utter bollocks. That is simply not true and you know it.

"I am not a big Allardyce fan", well then, it must have been a different Tony Marsh who repeatedly demanded he be appointed and who appears to take any criticism of Allardyce as a personal affront.

Finally, "Fat Sam. Bighead Sam, Big Horrid Sam. Honestly, some of you sound like 10-year-old girls on the school playground."

Truly priceless coming from someone responsible for some of the most appalling vindictive bile ever served up on this site. Tony, you've painted yourself into a corner with Allardyce and you are condemned to defend him till the day he is sacked.

Don Alexander
70 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:55:51
I don't want to offend any other Blue who denigrates Koeman and/or Allardyce but – regardless of the abilities of either of them – it was asking for trouble by failing to sign first-team players in the positions Koeman identified well before the summer window closed. That failure amounted to sabotaging this season. The expenditure on players we did sign is very likely to negatively impact us next season too.

That's the scale of the summer debacle. If Moshiri hopes to avoid a repeat, I suggest he gets rid of everyone responsible, not just the public figure of a manager or two.

If he's sure it was all down to Koeman, and now Allardyce with reference to Tosun, then we'll no doubt see similar levels of expenditure this summer under another new manager, won't we?

Of course any action such as that would cause anyone to wonder why we have a chairman or DoF in the first place, wouldn't it?

Brian Wilkinson
71 Posted 14/02/2018 at 23:31:44
In the team one week, out the next, comes back in with a different centre-half... I doubt Keane has played alongside a settled centre-half for more than 3 games in an Everton shirt.

Until we get a settled defensive pairing, we will never know if Keane can go on to be the defender we signed and hoped for.

Darren Hind
72 Posted 14/02/2018 at 23:45:55
Tony Marsh

"I'm not a big Allardyce fan" ... but you are one of his most ardent apologists.

I could understand your... err "embarrassment" if other Evertonians were blaming Allardyce for Keane's signing, but as I have never heard or seen anyone do it, I can't quite make out what it is that's embarrassing you?

Maybe it's the fact that people didn't realise that, when Sam took over, 13th place in mid-table was "virtually down" – How could they not remember that?

Anyway, it's really touching to see you defend your boy (again) against allegations that were not even made. On Valentine's Day too...

James Lauwervine
73 Posted 15/02/2018 at 00:53:55
Andy 67 well said. Much as I dislike criticising another blue, I hope I never sit in the vicinity at a game and have never agreed with one of his posts. As regards to the point of the thread: just pure shite. Why do we even entertain this bollocks? The Sunday fucking People? Fuck off.
Ernie Baywood
74 Posted 15/02/2018 at 01:21:37
He'll do just fine in a team that needs him.

Do Everton need him? I've got no idea – no-one does, and I include those making our signings in that. We don't have any kind of defined style of play to decide whether a particular type of player fits in or not.

It's just random shopping. The very definition of hit and hope.

Paul Ferry
75 Posted 15/02/2018 at 04:35:46
Andy (#67) – I think you speak for so many of us. That would be Tony Marsh's 'you lot'.

The sheer hypocrisy of Tony's unfortunate hardly smart post is breathtaking – and I have agreed with him and backed him up from time to time. Tony Marsh, of all ToffeeWebbers, having a dig at others who childishly and idiotically have the audacity to criticize EFC gaffers!!!!!!

As Andy quite rightly observes, Tony is twisted in unthinking and ironic knots about... erm, substantial Sam. Moyes, Martinez, Koeman.... fecking devils. Substantial Sam – LOL – the saviour, our rescuer, our knight in shining armour for our blue damsel, our international rescue.

Everton deffo going down! Grow up, Tony. That is the fallacy I hate. That we had to get Sam Allardyce in because otherwise we were dead ducks. In the elegant words of Mr Crooks – 'bollocks'.

Anyone else remember Tony Marsh going backwards and forwards, digging huge holes?

"Get Sam Allardyce in; we're going down; he'll save us; he will. Honest; deffo, he will; we're 13th and toast; I don't really like him, but we're going down like the Titanic, deffo...."

Jesus, Tony Marsh.

Derek Thomas
76 Posted 15/02/2018 at 06:54:32
Week 9 and Koeman is sacked after the Arsenal game, we were 18th. Unsworth had weeks 10, 11, 12, 13 and, with Sam in the stands, week 14, vs West Ham.

Before West Ham, we were 16th, after we were 13th.

2 wins moved us from 16th and sweating, to 10th, then 9th. Against my expectations we are now in a 'race' for 7th.

If Allardyce gets the team to stay at 9th, or jogs us on to 7th, he can say to Moshiri "Job done, mate, cash will do nicely thanks."

We will (should) say "Sort it out, Moshiri, don't EVER give us a season like that again."

For me, the key question is how much of the West Ham win was Allardyce responsible for?

In those Unsworth weeks, did Moshiri panic again, like after Arsenal? imo, yes. Could Unsworth have won those other 'expected wins'? We'll never know, but Allardyce did. Yes, we were garbage in our two 'expected losses' in London... in fact we were garbage – the odd little gem-ette in a game excepted – all season.

Over to you Moshiri... btw, not too many would moan if you start at the top like West Brom.

Chad Schofield
77 Posted 15/02/2018 at 07:31:24
We have shat ourselves throughout. If this is the 'new dawn' then we'd better get some industrial nappies. We will start off on 0 points next season, so let's hope we don't start shitting it from the off.

We needed a squad for Europe but, aside from missing key positions, Koeman had the same level of management as Big Fat Sam has discipline to saying 'No' to money – zero.

Let's get shot of this oaf and have someone assess those players not out on loan and work with Unsworth to see who's a possible, and where we need to strengthen.

Chad Schofield
78 Posted 15/02/2018 at 07:33:31
Oh and 'this oaf' refers to our current manager rather than a young defender who looked good until having his confidence decimated.

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