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Confirmed: Fonseca to stay in Ukraine

| Wednesday, 16 May 2018 54comments  |  Jump to last
Updated Paulo Fonseca has chosen to stay with Shakhtar Donetsk, turning down a move to West Ham and signing a new contract in Ukraine.

The 45-year-old, who has been linked with the Everton job for months now, was said to have interviewed with the Hammers' hierarchy with his agent, Jorge Mendes, in London on Monday as that club considered alternatives to keeping David Moyes on board as boss.

Moyes's departure from the London Stadium was confirmed this morning, with reports indicating he had run out of patience with West Ham, and Fonseca was among the candidates they were hoping to talk to.

Subsequent reports in the Portuguese media say said Fonseca has accepted improved terms with Shakhtar where has won back-to-back domestic league and cup doubles and this was confirmed by the Ukrainian club on Thursday.

Despite shortening betting odds, speculation linking him with Everton in the wake of Sam Allardyce's sacking has yet to rise above a murmur as his compatriot Marco Silva leads the field of potential successors.



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Brian Williams
1 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:11:51
Another one merely angling for a better deal at his present club?
Stewart Lowe
2 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:21:03
Brian: I'm not sure its true in this case as he has won everything he can in the last 2 years (twice) at this club, staying longer to win the same things again would never appeal to a young manager with ambition. He is just holding out for the best offer. He may be interested in Everton, and he is my first choice, but if an Inter Milan Dortmund came calling, he would be off.
Daniel Bagan
3 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:25:36
I just have this gut feeling that Silva will be another Martinez...
Colin Glassar
4 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:28:32
If Martinez wins the World Cup would anyone have him back?
Jay Harris
5 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:29:33
I get the feeling he is backup to Silva if that falls through for any reason.For example Kenwright promising the premier league committee and Watford we would not employ him.
Steve Ferns
6 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:31:05
Martinez? He’s far more of a Mourinho! The Olympiacos fans joked that the team would give the ball away on purpose just so they could counter attack them.

His attacking brand of football is very direct. It’s not possession based. They get forward at speed. However, Watford didn’t find the right balance and got caught out a couple of times.

Rob Halligan
7 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:35:24
The red echo reporting Fonseca is going to sign a new 2 year deal at Shakhtar.
Derek Knox
8 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:48:49
Well, we can realistically cross him off the list, he has known there was interest in him from Everton since November.

Without sounding like sour grapes, maybe he didn't think he was capable of the challenges that the Everton job would present. If that is the case, we may just have dodged a bullet.

It's beginning to look more like it's Silva, but I still have reservations, we will know soon hopefully.

Stewart Lowe
9 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:50:28
Marco Silva has won the equivalent of the Portuguese FA cup and the Greek League, followed by a relegation with Hull, and an OK 4 months with Watford. This apparently make him qualified to be our next Manager, who will obviously be trusted with a huge transfer chest.

Steve McClaren won the Dutch League with FC Twente, so these trophies are meaningless in comparison to the English league.

He managed 22 games for Hull, and along the way, he was beaten comfortably 11 times:

7-1 by Spurs
4-0 by Palace
2-0 by Sunderland
3-1 by Stoke
3-1 by Man City
4-0 by Everton
3-1 by Leicester
2-0 by Arsenal
4-1 by Fulham
2-0 by Chelsea
2-0 Man Utd

Total: 8 Wins: 3 Draws: 11 Losses

Then on to Watford, 26 games, he was beaten comfortably 13 times:

2-0 by Leicester
3-1 by Man City
2-1 by Swansea
1-0 by Brighton
4-1 by Huddersfield
2-1 by Palace
1-0 by Burnley
4-2 by Man Utd
3-2 by Everton
1-0 by Stoke
4-2 by Chelsea
6-0 by Man City
3-2 by Bristol City

Total: 8 Wins: 5 Draws: 13 Losses

I am not having anyone tell me that his huge dip in form and results as a Manager at Watford is down to us tapping him up, as that is just an excuse of convenience. Your also not convincing me that the relegation with Hull was merely inevitable, as Allardyce, Hodgson may have kept them up. Yet again and argument that just doesn't cut it with me.

The club fucked up last time with Koeman, who was given the biggest transfer chest in our history, do we want to take a chance on Silva based on his experience and results so far? For me, he is the Portuguese Roberto Martinez. When Silva's teams get beat, they really get beat.

Come on guys, think bigger

Frank Crewe
10 Posted 16/05/2018 at 20:11:31
Clubs get the manager equivalent to the level they are at. Elite managers want elite clubs, Champions League football, big transfer funds, top players already at the club.

For any elite manager, Everton would be a step down they won't take. It would appear that we are currently at the level of the ex Hull & Watford manager unless we go abroad.

Maybe there's another Potchettino waiting to be snapped up. That's what we should be looking for. Not just another so-so manager we'll be sacking in another 18 months.

Dave Evans
11 Posted 16/05/2018 at 21:27:09
Stewart @ 9
Who do you suggest that you believe would come here?
Fran Mitchell
12 Posted 16/05/2018 at 21:28:09
Frank, howndonyou know who the next Pochettino is? That's the problem.

Judgeing by the criteria many demand - experience, proven, silverware - he would never have gotten the Evertob job when Spurs hired him. His previous record was mid table at Espanhol, where he was sacked and won nothing, and mid table at Southampton where he won nothing. Heck, Koeman got better points tally's than Pochettino did.

So how do you judge a manager? How to you separate the so-so from the hidden gem just waiting for a platform and the trust to implement his ideas?

John Smith
13 Posted 16/05/2018 at 21:44:26
"Stewart Lowe
9 Posted 16/05/2018 at 19:50:28
Flag this comment. Marco Silva has won the equivalent of the Portuguese FA cup and the Greek League, followed by a relegation with Hull, and an OK 4 months with Watford. This apparently make him qualified to be our next Manager, who will obviously be trusted with a huge transfer chest"

We drew with a team from Cyprus in Europa. Much smaller than Greece lol

David Israel
14 Posted 16/05/2018 at 21:48:32
I'm becoming convinced it will be Silva, and so we might as well settle for that and hope for the best. I'm not totally convinced by him, statistics apart, but I also feel we could do a lot worse. I would prefer Fonseca, but like I said in another thread, he wouldn't be talking to other clubs if he was our main target.
Gordon White
15 Posted 16/05/2018 at 22:16:56
Getting fed up with people always going on about Hull's relegation. On and on and on. Given their position when he took over it would have been a bloody miracle and he nearly did it. You have to look at the facts surrounding the person before making these accusations.

Read Lyndon's excellent article in which he spoke in detail about Silva. It was well researched and had substance.

Gordon White
16 Posted 16/05/2018 at 22:27:44
Sir Alex Ferguson and our own Howard Kendal were both on the verge of getting the sack before things turned round. Whoever the new manager is, he only has to look back at the last two, with the exception of Unsy, to see how not to do it. Good man-management, strategy, flexibility and knowing quickly when a plan is NOT working and being able and prepared to adapt. IMHO both Fonseca and Silva have these qualities. They will get the best out of so many of our players.

And FFS, whoever gets the job - remember it's suppose to be entertainment

Gaute Lie
17 Posted 16/05/2018 at 22:29:54
Colin Glassar,

At least Martinez seemed like a nice guy.

Cant say that about Koeman or Allardyce.

Jack Convery
18 Posted 16/05/2018 at 22:49:00
Can I suggest we all light a candle, cross our fingers and toes and hope Mosh gets it right.
Jerome Shields
19 Posted 16/05/2018 at 23:00:22
The Everton rebuild is a five-year plan. I would prefer Fonseca to Silva but it looks as if it is going to be Silva.

Next season will be a rocky one.There are so many problems at Everton which where exacerbated by Koeman and Allardyce. They where both anti-rebuild.

We will quickly know the calibre of Silva. He will need to start straight away and hit the ground running. No Koeman-style holiday. That was a really bad star. At least Silva has had a break so he should be ready to go.

The question is will he address the main weaknesses straight away (Rooney gone will be a great help)and show initially that he is heading in the right direction.

Over this past two summers I have put a blanket ban on following transfers, except to comment on the deluded Rooney transfer. I think I will follow transfers this Summer, hopefully witnessing the green shoots of a resurgent Everton .

At last, at last, free at last.

Colin Wilson
20 Posted 16/05/2018 at 23:18:00
Choices:

1. Simeone;
2, Conte;
3. Howe.

Everyone else will be a gamble.

Jay Harris
21 Posted 16/05/2018 at 23:33:41
Interesting podcast on GOT with Stephen Naismith who basically said the crowd has a much bigger influence in a players performance than you would think. Maybe thats why NIasse always plays out of his skin.

He also said that as the comraderie of the Moyes era started to fall away and players and support staff went that had a big effect on the dressing room.

He also said Martinez was well received initially as he was so amicable and "got" the club but was totally obstinate and wouldnt listen to the players which in turn affected the dressing room.

Seems the poor little creatures just need tea and sympathy and all will be well.

Simon Smith
22 Posted 16/05/2018 at 00:02:32
So Fonseca bites the dust. Part of me us glad he has not joined the hammers, and I can only assume our new D.O.F. might have a say on who he wants to work with and I hope Silva is not top of his list.
On saying that no one man will be welcomed by all, but whoever becomes OUR "chosen one" must be given time and our backing to at least give it a go !!
Fran Mitchell
23 Posted 17/05/2018 at 00:18:55
Colin Wilson:

Yeah, ok..and just after hiring one of those two, we can focus on signing Messi, Salah and Griezemann.

Gavin Johnson
24 Posted 17/05/2018 at 00:43:09
Jay #21

Onstinant seems the perfect way to describe Martinez. I still think he was a better manager than some give him credit for on TW. I always felt like we were going to win a cup under him and we got close in a few. Never really felt like that under Koeman who was atrocious in cup competitions, nor Moyes post 2009. That said, Martinez's inability to adapt meant he was predictable in league games where teams can sit back. Lesser teams soon sussed him out and there was never a Plan B.

I think Steve Fern's analysis of Silva gives more reassurance that he could be a good appointment.

Bill Gienapp
25 Posted 17/05/2018 at 01:01:24
I'd be shocked if it isn't Silva. For me, Fonseca heading back to Ukraine all but confirms it.

Personally, I'm totally on board, but understand why others are more apprehensive.

Tom McEwan
26 Posted 17/05/2018 at 06:29:08
Gordon @15, With all due respect, I think it is you who is not looking at the facts. Stewart @9 has just given them to you in black and white. Are you another 'head in the sand' merchant like Colin was (and still is, judging by his question @4) over Martinez?

Incidentally, Col, when Martinez doesn't win the world cup with the glut of talent he has at hand in the Belgium squad, will you finally admit he is a shit manager?

I know it's a game of opinion and all that but this prevalence, not only in football but in society in general, of rewarding failure, worries me. Remember the old saying? You can't make a silk purse

Jer Kiernan
27 Posted 17/05/2018 at 11:30:33
Fuck me... Our new Big Club mentality is manifesting itself with calls to appoint a manager who was SACKED BY WATFORD ???? Read this to yourself 3 times...

Are you kiddin' me? This guy will not get us into Top 4 which is where we should be aiming, I would prefer to have the embarrassment of being turned down by 10 managers who thought they were above us then just appoint this guy.

He absolutely could have kept Hull up and Watford were in freefall when he was Sacked as for us turning his head, this not being a valid excuse but would only signify a lack of professionalism and integrity on his part and sign of a weak character.

No Silva lining here, please lets stop buying fucking Lottery tickets and hoping for the best when it comes to managers. He is bookies favourite but this appointment will show a distinct lack of ambition, You think Arsenal are looking at him or somebody of his calibre??

Gordon White
28 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:30:12
I'm not saying I'm for Silva. Nor Fonseca for that matter. I don't bury my head thank you. There are a lot if different opinions on here and I respect the views of others so have the right to air mine. If I'm honest, I wish Martina had been able to adapt and read the game quicker.

One thing on which we can all agree: the footie under Allardyce was appalling. And if the manager, whoever that will be, doesn't cut it, our owner doesn't hang around.

Dan Davies
29 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:34:32
Well said Jer. Total agreement here.
Tony J Williams
30 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:40:20
Jer, the problem we face is that the managers that we, the fans, want wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

Iain Johnston
31 Posted 17/05/2018 at 13:07:29
To all those who say no to Silva even after reading Lyndons well researched article, who is out there who ticks all or most of your boxes, a manager realistically available who would be enticed to manage and coach us?

The list always returns to either Silva or Fonseca. Forget Nagelsmann, Tedesco, Jardim. Emery won't lower his sights and will possibly be the one on Arsenal's horizon, Tuchel is now at PSG, Mancini is the Italian boss and Pellegrini is too old.

To use the likes of Hull or Watford as a barometer isn't the most accurate method. Hull were dead and buried prior to his appointment, any chairman who believes that Mike Phelan could cut it in the EPL deserves everything he gets and not even the highly thought of Mazzarri who had a strong profile at Sampdoria, Napoli & Inter could do anything with an unattractive Watford.

The other argument of only winning trophies in one or two horse leagues is also a bit of a nonsense as Spain is a closed shop and Germany is even worse.

Both Fonseca and Silva have performed well in high profile arenas under difficult club ownership... I'd be happy with either.

Jer Kiernan
32 Posted 17/05/2018 at 14:05:37
@Tony

"we face is that the managers that we, the fans, want wouldn't touch us with a barge pole."
I see not evidence of this as in we have not been snubbed by anybody yet so lets us at least try, my point is NOBODY else wants Silva so let us approach with as much money as possible somebody of Emery, Anchellotti and Simeones stature and if they rebuke so be it,, the point is to aim high

As there is not a clamour for Silvas services from what I can see he will still be available in a months time. If the best our club and new found wealth can attract is a manager Sacked by Watford well let us at least go for a manager who is wanted at their Club and would not look out of place in Aresenals dugout,,

Tom McEwan
33 Posted 17/05/2018 at 14:51:51
Couple of fair points Iain @31, glad you brought up Mike Phelan too and his record at Hull. In your words, 'any chairman who believes that Mike Phelan could cut it in the EPL deserves everything he gets'
According to Wikipedia, Phelan's record at Hull was PLD 24, W6 D5 L13.
According to the Premier League website Silva's Premiership career reads, PLD 42 W13 D8 L21 with a GF of 53 and a GA of 80. So that's 47 points gained out of a possible 126 with a -27 GD.
As you were saying, 'any chairman who believes that ' etc etc
Jay Harris
34 Posted 17/05/2018 at 14:55:16
Jer,
I totally agree.

My point is that any manager confident in his own abilities and relishing a challenge would love to compete with Guardiola, Mourhino etc.

Look at Rafa who is far too good for Newcastle and isn't even getting the backing from the board.

Simeone has just won the Europa and loves Madrid so commonsense says he wouldnr be interested but Emery is certainly an option.

As you rightly ask would Arsenal be going for Silva let alone paying compensation to Watford for him.

Justin Doone
35 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:15:20
I want the best but after Sam I'll settle for entertainment for a couple of seasons.

Already missed out on Mancini but Emry or Anceloti the next best realistic targets.

We will not win the Premier league so as long as relegation is not flirted it would not take much to make me happy.

To answer Martinez Q, entertaining but likely to take us down so not a chance. The fear is I do think Silva is similar.

I judge on what I see as well as proven track record. It has served me well e.g. Martinez, Koeman and Sam.

I can't argue with Benitez or even Moyes suggestions as both massive improvement from where we are. But I believe Emry offers more long-term suitability in style of play and attracting players.

Not sure about Brands or the DOF role but good luck to all.

Gordon White
36 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:18:22
2 points
1. I apologise for my previous post. I was a bit oiled.
2. I agree with Ian #31.
Steve Ferns
37 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:27:25
Jer, we threw money at Simeone and he didn't want the job. We must have thrown money at a load more managers in that overlong 5-week period where Unsworth was caretaker, as it will not just have been Simeone. I suspect we had preliminary talks with Fonseca too.

Do we want another 5-week wait? The world cup starts soon, and no one will move until that is over. Then if we have not got a manager and players start to move, we are in trouble.

We need a manager, and we need one now. If it's Silva or Fonseca who are the only ones willing to sign right now on the dotted line, then get them in. Time is of the essence here. We can't afford to dither. We cannot afford another Giroud situation, being led on by some world class manager giving us the eyes before using us to get a better deal elsewhere.

If we don't get Silva or Fonseca now, then they will go elsewhere. Fonseca in particular will sign a new deal and then we won't be able to get him. Silva could go to West Ham or Leicester, who both want him. The time is now.

The new manager and Brands need to be sat down and sorting this squad out, identifying players, and getting the squad ready for next season. We only have a few weeks due to the World Cup. The season effectively starts very soon.

Anthony Murphy
38 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:52:52
If we announce Silva on the same day West Ham announce Benítez, are we happy?

Personally, I'd be happy to give Silva a go but, at the same time, I would know West Ham have pulled off a fantastic bit of business. Why he'd go there is beyond me, but if they get him, they've shown the sort of ambition I sometimes wish we would show when choosing a manager.

Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:10:23
Maybe some other clubs who might have gone after Silva already know that he his going to Everton?

Why have a meeting with Watford in March if we weren't interested in this fella?

Dan Parker
40 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:01:32
Phenomenal!
Steve Ferns
41 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:17:00
It’s telling that Fonseca has now signed his new deal. That leaves Emery and Silva as the only available targets. I still think Emery is beyond us and West Ham.

Does anyone think it’s interesting that Leicester have not got rid of Claude Puel, as was expected?

Bill Gienapp
42 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:18:44
"You think Arsenal are looking at him or somebody of his calibre??"

Given that they're supposedly considering Arteta, I'd say the answer is... yes?

Alasdair Mackay
43 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:36:53
My first choice would be Eddie Howe, but I don't think that is likely. I think it is Silva now.

I am more than happy to get behind him, I just hope he stays for 5+ years and that the club give him that time to get his ethos across.

Tony Twist
44 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:48:21
Have we got a manager yet?! I thought the whole point of a DOF was to pick the manager to match the new playing ethos of the club?

Strange if they appoint Silva; what are the chances that Brands believes that he (Silva) fits the bill? There is something about Silva that makes me uneasy and, even with Steve Ferns's very comprehensive knowledge of the man, I will still feel disappointed with his appointment.

The Fonz was a bit more of a safer bet but only just (as he had no Premier League experience). Come on, Everton — pull a rabbit out of a hat for a change and surprise and impress us with the next manager.

Len Hawkins
45 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:51:26
Is 'Ethos' Portuguese for "owl lady"?
Steve Ferns
46 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:54:17
Tony, Brands doesn't officially start work until 1st June. That's also the same date that Silva can activate a break clause in his contract (as I understand it). There's also a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiating with Watford right now. I suspect we are unlikely to appoint Silva until 1st June.

However, if agreements are in place, there's no reason Silva and Brands can't get to work by watching lots of tape, both of our players and of targets (identified by the scouts). All players should be on holiday right now, so there's little a coach can actually do right now.

Jay Harris
47 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:57:18
My heart says Emery (possibly Beneathus) but my head says Silva is a done deal and we are just negotiating with Watford to avoid a Premier League investigation.
Andy Crooks
48 Posted 17/05/2018 at 23:03:14
Stewart Lowe @ 16, since when did 1-0, 3-2, 2-1 constitute comfortable wins? Were you at all of these games?

There is manipulating statistics and there is talking nonsense or both.

Soren Moyer
49 Posted 18/05/2018 at 02:02:52
That leaves us with, Silva, Benitez, Marcelino (anyone?), Jardim and possibly Emery to chose from!

Nice article on Marcelino's coaching style:

Valencia coach whips players into shape

Brian Williams
50 Posted 18/05/2018 at 08:35:44
As I said at #1.
Tony Everan
51 Posted 18/05/2018 at 15:53:03
Emery or Conte would view us as a step down. I don't think they would fancy taking the Everton job on... particularly with the competition they would face.

They will be looking for Champions League clubs and big budgets. Or, after the World Cup, there will be some lucrative opportunities managing a national side.

Silva is a gamble but it is refreshing that he actually wants to come here; he is young with energy and potential still to make a mark. He will see Everton as the right club at the right time to realise his ambitions and fulfill his potential.

I think is a step up for him and his biggest challenge. That can incentivise and motivate. Whoever we hire is a gamble, for many reasons, but we should gamble on someone who actively wants to come to our great club.

I don't want a manager coming here thinking he is doing us a favour. Koeman always seemed to not want to be here, almost from the off. Never committed and distant.

Kevin Turner
52 Posted 18/05/2018 at 15:57:59
I agree with Tony (#44). I am struggling to understand the attraction of Silva. I know there's more to him than the short spells at Hull and Watford but he's not doing it for me.

Brands will have a big say in who gets the job... in fact, he might know already and agrees with whoever it is. Brands wants to get involved right across the club with recruitment, style of play etc so that rules out the likes of Benitez who wouldn't stand for that. Shame.

Iain Latchford
53 Posted 18/05/2018 at 19:39:55
Simeone is not coming to Everton. Arsenal is available for goodness sake. Sensible comments only.
Bill Gienapp
54 Posted 18/05/2018 at 19:58:19
Arsenal has supposedly offered the job to Arteta. And given that his primary qualification is setting out the cones for Pep this past season, I think that radically alters the landscape of just who the top six supposedly are and aren't willing to take a look at.

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