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1 Posted 18/10/2018 at 20:04:45
I live in the DC area and went to the game last night. Rooney's goal was fantastic (we were sitting in the end behind him as he shot) and the guy next to me said, "He's never going to score from that range ". Classic.
Not a great game - Rooney himself is reported to have said that DC must play a lot better than last night; and of course, they will have to if they get to the playoffs.
However, he stood out and just oozed class in this company. He ran the game and pulled off a number of exquisite touches.
He is clearly very popular with the DC fans and rightly so. He has been instrumental in getting them to a likely playoff spot with 10 goals, I believe, since he arrived. His impact goes far beyond the goals though as he is obviously their leader and talisman.
I must be Rooney's lucky charm. The last time I saw him was v West Ham on one of my visits back home last December when he scored a hat-trick, including that fabulous goal from around the half-way line!
2 Posted 19/10/2018 at 11:08:19
3 Posted 19/10/2018 at 11:19:03
He obviously hasn't got the legs that he once had but he still has the football brain. He was a victim of the Koeman and Big Sam shambles last season.
We should have used him like a Sheringham type who links play and plays in the spaces – not have him chasing wingers back, covering Cuco Martina.
4 Posted 19/10/2018 at 11:34:11
5 Posted 19/10/2018 at 11:44:10
I am glad he is doing so well in the MLS.
8 Posted 19/10/2018 at 17:05:41
9 Posted 19/10/2018 at 17:17:51
10 Posted 19/10/2018 at 17:20:14
13 Posted 19/10/2018 at 18:09:56
14 Posted 19/10/2018 at 18:12:50
You never lose your ability, but football catches up with everyone eventually. So Rooney has found a level were he can excel again and, if stays off the ale, then maybe Steve might have a cup final to go to soon?
15 Posted 19/10/2018 at 19:24:43
Their new ground is very good actually. It's a small/compact 20,000 seater and has been designed so that spectators are fairly close to the action, unlike some of the massive bowls they have for the American (grid iron) football stadiums. Click on the link for a bird's-eye view. Audi Field.
DC United has a hard core of fans called the "Screaming Eagles" and they literally drum up a racket throughout the game. Nothing like an English atmosphere, but not bad.
It will be much better if they get to the play offs and get a home draw. A bit like Everton (they have been starved of success for many years now since they dominated US professional "soccer" in the early years of MLS, winning eight of its thirteen titles between 1996 and 1998) so they will be really fired up at the prospect of silverware!
As you say, he has indeed found a level at which he can excel, but not sure he can stay off the ale. A buddy of mine owns an Irish Pub here and apparently Rooney was seen in an Irish boozer in down town DC doing a bit of Karaoke a few weeks ago!
16 Posted 19/10/2018 at 19:52:08
If he'd flopped there, he would have had pelters all round but his talent and desire have shone through. He could not stay at Everton because, rightly so, Marco chose Sigurdsson as our main man.
To those slagging off the USA standard, yes it's not Premier League standard but it's decent.
17 Posted 19/10/2018 at 23:49:26
18 Posted 20/10/2018 at 00:49:00
DC United were the bottom other MLS clubs looked down on. That he was going there was a shock. They sucked in big Las Vegas neon light sucked. And had.
To have a player, even as brilliant as Rooney, turn that club around 180 degrees the way he's done, is fiction. Except he has.
They're in the playoffs, bar a collapse the last 2 games. I live here in the DC area. That's what's happening is astonishing.
Mike posted a link to that wonder-goal. Here's one from a few weeks ago I think more astonishing and indicative of how brilliant a player Wayne Rooney remains:
Fun watching his teammates celebrating while he remains up-pitch huffing and puffing.
19 Posted 20/10/2018 at 01:06:55
Like the SPL, MLS is a minor league. No doubt of that.
The SPL's title winner would have trouble in MLS. The rest of that sad-sack excuse for a league would have the shit kicked out of it game in and out in MLS.
Of course, they'd actually be paid a wage over here, so take their ass-kicking with a smile.
21 Posted 20/10/2018 at 03:54:15
Rooney would thrive in our current squad as he would actually have more technical players to combine with and a manager who isn't out of the dark ages. He did a good job for us last season, demonstrated leadership on and off the pitch, tried to increase standards and ended the season as our top scorer despite being shoved into midfield by Lardiola for half the season. Good luck to him.
22 Posted 20/10/2018 at 04:37:12
Can't believe the Orlando lad on the break didn't just welly it toward the empty net.
23 Posted 21/10/2018 at 02:11:28
Kudos to that little DC fucker on his header. Well done.
Laughed at the DC players celebrating with the supporters while Wayne was bent over up-field huffing and puffing.
Agree on the Orlando lad not just hoofing it. They had an away point in their pocket.
The interesting thing was that DC also had a point in their pocket, but the manager sent the keeper forward to try for all 3 points.
That one player, even Wayne, could turn a club 180 degrees around the way he has, is also the stuff of fiction.
Except he's done it.
24 Posted 21/10/2018 at 03:40:26
I've been watching a lot of the DC games and find myself rooting for them pretty hard. Not my team DC United, just want to see Rooney do something special here in the Land of the Free.
MLS is what it is. I enjoy it. And it's great to see Rooney come here and completely take responsibility, put a team on his back, and carry them.
Unlike one Stevie Shithouse La who came over and drained money out of LA.
Rooney just plays. He's born to play. No matter the level. Dude could be 70 years old and he'd put a hard tackle in the over 50 division! Love it.
25 Posted 21/10/2018 at 07:07:02
Looks a good little ground that, Steve, and I'd love to see the winners in America take on the Scottish runners-up, just to see if what James said is true!
26 Posted 21/10/2018 at 07:25:47
27 Posted 21/10/2018 at 08:24:39
Instead, he left and then mocked supporters upon his return and kissed the badge of the Man Utd shirt he was wearing.
I could count on one hand the amount of good games he played for the club. Most of which were before he was 18.
He's not even our youngest ever goalscorer.
In other words, he's nothing to this club. Nothing but a stain and a bad memory.
So why dedicate a story as to his progress at another club.
We don't get stories as to the progress of Romelu Lukaku who achieved and did more for our club than Rooney ever did. (He also provided a bigger profit.)
28 Posted 21/10/2018 at 08:59:22
He left a very, very sour taste when he left, but it was surely Kenwrights fault we never made more profit on the kid?
Probably because he needed the money badly, (urgently) and it was the real reason he was sold? Along with Bellefield, and anything else worth money, surely it was the only way a skint chairman could survive?
I hated Rooney, when he left, Ive never had any real affinity for him since that day, purely because I knew how good he was, and have always felt “EVERTONIANS WERE DEFINITELY ROBBED” the day Rooney was sold. But robbed by who? Who allowed the sale to go through in the first place?
If a picture could tell a thousand words, then Kenwright waiting at the side of the pitch, to greet Rooney, before Duncan Fergusons testimonial, told me everything.
The greatest outfield performance Ive ever seen off any Everton player, was made by a 17 year old Rooney, (Bolton) and six months before he left his mother had to stop him getting a tattoo like Duncans, but with the number 18 on it, because she told him hed soon be the next Everton number nine.
29 Posted 21/10/2018 at 09:11:39
over Rooney, you've used a very large spoon there Mike.
30 Posted 21/10/2018 at 09:22:52
Who cares if he is scoring a few goals for DC comics FC or whatever they are called. We have been hearing about the emergence of football in America since the Cosmos in the 1970s - all to no avail as the American public prefer their home grown sports of baseball and American football.
31 Posted 21/10/2018 at 09:42:12
Say what you like about Rooney jumping ship but playing in Deadly Dave's negative soulless football trams would send any decent player round the bend.
Funny isn't that a player considered not good enough by Moyes for a below average Everton team walks right in to the brilliant Man Utd team and scores a hatrick on his Champions League debut.
I didn't like Rooney for leaving but Wayne's dislike for Deadly Dave sealed the deal.It was impossible for a talent like him to take part in the mind numbing stuff churned out by Moyes.
32 Posted 21/10/2018 at 22:15:46
And posts about former Everton managers are fair game too, witness the thread on Moyes. Although there is one very recent 'manager' I would happily see completely expunged from the annals of Everton FC.
However, part of our unspoken mission as a website is to track those who may adhere to the adage "Once a Blue..." — although despite the protestations of some of our own on here, that accommodation does not stretch to those who want to sully such recollections with adulation for others who never had anything whatsoever to do with Everton FC.
33 Posted 23/10/2018 at 09:11:48
There is only finite space on the internet and this article is using up too much. Now I am obliged to comment on it.
34 Posted 23/10/2018 at 09:39:19
It's a shame he couldn't have been playing in a team with legs all around him (like we have now). I think he would have ended the season with 20 goals if that had been the case. He's gone now though. Let's move on. The MLS is no way to measure a top footballer. A Premier League keeper would have saved the freekick he scored the other day...
35 Posted 26/10/2018 at 14:23:01
When he did come back, Rooney would have been better for us up top in place of Lukaku; as a midfielder, he simply didn't have the legs to run the game against most Premier League teams.
Too much time is wasted on talk about Rooney in my main opinion: yes, he was a great talent when he came through; yes, he was fantastic for the Premier League and for Man Utd; and yes, he's a cut above the rest in the MLS... but, as far as his career as a Blue goes, he was a teen sensation who lasted no longer than the hyped Rodwell, Cadamateri or Jeffers did as Blues.
Great career, some sights to behold, but not as a Blue.
People may call this bitter but my stance on it is Rooney said he was our best player at 16, but at 16 all I remember him being was Thomasz Radzinski's 65th minute replacement. Wayne never showed us the respect we deserved for making him everything he was.
36 Posted 26/10/2018 at 15:29:40
He was a liability in most games with his erratic passing to the opposition – and all for £150k a week.
He has now found a level where he can play and drink to his heart's content and feel good about himself, so let him get on with it. He sold his soul to the Mancs so let him be remembered for that and not what could have been.
37 Posted 27/10/2018 at 17:47:03
Rooney was a 16-year-old kid in a man's world, he was played by Kenwright, his agent and Man Utd.
But he wasn't stupid, he was brilliant for his age, realised Everton wanted to sell him and Man Utd wanted him.
He loved Everton, Everton sold him out... not the other way around. Returning the second time was a mistake, he believed Kenwright (never a wise move) only to find he wasn't wanted.
His legs gone? Yes... but value for money? Absolutely. Look at what we have now... Calvin-Lewin? Tosun? Lookman?
I wish him well; I am glad he is playing well; I am glad he is enjoying his football; I am therefore glad he is in the US — but the blame cuts both ways, the club and the player.
Too often on this site we see players rubbished, especially when they are gone: Stones, Barkley, Mirallas, Rooney... they are not all Jeffers, Rodwell, Green... so have some perspective. Not rose coloured tints but not as black as some would have.
38 Posted 27/10/2018 at 18:00:46
Liverpool were in a worse position but no-one looked closely at it and they just get sold quietly whilst everyone looks the other way.
39 Posted 27/10/2018 at 18:53:57
One thing omitted was Moyes holding him back. I think that's why Simon only remembers him as Thomasz Radzinski's 65th minute replacement. Rooney was put on as a sub for an incredible 20 games in that breakthrough season, despite scoring 8 goals and two hattricks in the pre-season games.
In fact, his whole relationship with Moyes had badly soured; I believe this was a major reason for him wanting to leave Everton.
40 Posted 27/10/2018 at 18:57:54
Is correct, Steve.
41 Posted 27/10/2018 at 19:51:36
Akin to Christine, I certainly don't hold Rooney in contempt or resentment for his move to Manchester United, as much as it hurt at the time. He was an 18-year-old who had just absolutely 'wowed' the world at the Euros in Portugal. He returned – injured – to an Everton in absolute turmoil.
Trevor Birch came and went as the CEO in the blink of an eye; Bill Kenwright and Paul Gregg were at loggerheads over the control of the club (the Fortress Sports Fund debacle followed in the wake of this); Portugal's manager Felipe Scolari was approached to replace Moyes (probably by Gregg), totally unbeknown by Bill Kenwright; Moyes had no funds for the transfer market; the club had not anticipated Rooney showcasing his skills at the Euros and the boy was in the last year of his contract, leaving Everton in a vulnerable negotiating position.
Rooney was but a tiddler swimming in a tank of sharks, including personalities at his own club. Throw into that tank the likes of Paul Stretford and Alex Ferguson and there was only ever going to be one outcome.
I don't recall in the court case (about who held Rooney's agency rights) at which Stretford appeared as the chief prosecution witness a claim by him that Rooney was sold because the club was on the brink of entering administration (although Trevor Birch is believed to have sanctioned the sale for this reason as a means to 'save' Everton – the possible trigger of why he walked away when the board opposed his suggestion).
What is on record that the judge throw the case out of court for Stretford being an unreliable witness, whilst the prosecuting barrister himself denounced Stretford in the same tone.
The FA subsequently brought charges against Stretford who was heavily fined and suspended as an agent, so anything that worm says I take with a huge pinch of salt.
42 Posted 27/10/2018 at 20:04:31
I held no grudges whatsoever when he left Everton, in fact, I believed he saved them financially.
I didn't want him to come back and I think it would have been better for all concerned if he hadn't. I will always remember Wayne Rooney as one of the best players I ever saw playing for the Blues; a shame it was for such a short time.
43 Posted 27/10/2018 at 20:55:01
A lot of people had vested interests in him, his understanding of the situation was undoubtedly coloured by the club and his agent's half-truths and hand-wringing whilst running to the bank.
What is unforgivable is that the club never once acknowledged they had to sell him to stay out of administration. If they had, then all this would be seen in a different light. It's too late now... his career is almost done, but what a fabulous career; the one who got away... but we could never have given him the stage to excel on.
Yes, we needed the money, but his reputation was tarnished by someone else's ego and others' greed. Honesty would have resulted in the same outcome but with some decency.
44 Posted 27/10/2018 at 21:08:12
Kenwright sold the family silver, it's better to rent than own, was his motto regarding the training facilities, and what about his crocodile tears, if indeed Alex Ferguson was telling the truth?
Rooney, never saved Everton, but his sale allegedly stopped Kenwright's club going into administration, which tells me everything I need to know with regards how much Bill really loves the club.
Nothing “decent” about selling a gift from the gods just to stay in charge, especially when you sit back and say nothing whilst the kid took all the stick.
45 Posted 27/10/2018 at 21:37:31
At the end of the day his legacy is with Man Utd not Everton, even if his heart belongs at Goodison Park. We can all play the "What if?" game, but we were never in the position (at the time) because of the poor management and poor decision-making had left us with the banks at the door. Without a penny of personal investment from any director, we had been pawned to the hilt by the time he was sold. All he was, was a 'Get out of Jai'l card for our saviour.
Moyes? I think he did influence his decision to leave.. he did hold him back and the (obvious) hostility between the two was undoubtedly played upon by his agent – no love lost there..
Yes, you are right, he may have had a great career but I bet that hindsight is forever lost on some. All we are left with are regrets... and I think in his heart so does Rooney.
Oh, and some still think we are lucky to have our saviour...
46 Posted 27/10/2018 at 21:51:20
47 Posted 27/10/2018 at 21:57:57
I hope Moshiri has an aversion to helicopters (too soon)?
48 Posted 27/10/2018 at 22:09:30
49 Posted 27/10/2018 at 22:17:34
50 Posted 27/10/2018 at 22:22:54
51 Posted 27/10/2018 at 22:26:07
52 Posted 27/10/2018 at 22:50:04
53 Posted 27/10/2018 at 23:11:40
Also, I always look out for any "good news" regarding ex Everton players, particularly the young home grown talent and always hope they do well, regardless of the circumstances under which they left.
I rated Ross very highly and am really pleased to see him doing well.
54 Posted 27/10/2018 at 23:21:57
Showing yourself to be a bit of an idiot here, Mike.
55 Posted 27/10/2018 at 23:27:04
56 Posted 27/10/2018 at 23:52:15
57 Posted 27/10/2018 at 23:53:37
I'd thought us Blues fans were better than that.
58 Posted 27/10/2018 at 00:03:06
2 yellows and a red for that.
59 Posted 28/10/2018 at 00:19:03
I wish no ill on the man but must admit that was the first thing that crossed my mind too when I heard about Hoddle.
60 Posted 28/10/2018 at 00:58:36
Not clever, mate. ❗❗
61 Posted 02/11/2018 at 05:27:54
62 Posted 02/11/2018 at 07:39:44
63 Posted 02/11/2018 at 14:33:11
64 Posted 02/11/2018 at 15:17:29
The MLS teams are seeded/ranked in the playoffs based on how they finished the regular season. So the 6 highest-placed teams from both the Eastern Conference and Western Conference play off to see who gets to the final.
The two highest-placed teams in each conference receive byes to the conference semifinals, while the third- through sixth-placed teams play in the knockout round (3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th, with highest ranked team at home).
The first round is a single game with the winner advancing. Starting with the 2nd round, the teams play 2 games against the same opponent; one home game and one away game.
Clear as ditchwater!
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