Loan Watch — #3

by   |   29/09/2018  34 Comments  [Jump to last]

Keep tabs on the swarm of Everton players out on loan:

Bolasie (Aston Vill)
Besic (Middlesbrough)
Connolly (Wigan Athletic)
Garbutt (Oxford United)
Martina (Stoke City)
Mirallas (Fiorentina)
Onyekuru (Galatasaray)
Penington (Ipswich Town)
Ramirez (Real Sociedad)
Robinson (Wigan Athletic)
Tarashaj (Grasshopper Zurich)
Vlasic (CSKA Moscow)
A Williams (Stoke City)
J Williams (Bolton Wanderers)

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Vinny Garstrokes
1 Posted 29/09/2018 at 18:46:19
I see Ashley Williams is having a blinder at Stoke!!
Victor Yu
2 Posted 01/10/2018 at 04:52:41
Mirallas is doing very well this season in Serie A.
Mike Gaynes
3 Posted 01/10/2018 at 16:55:11
Mirallas? Four appearances – one start, three subs, with no goals or assists – is "doing very well"?
David Barks
4 Posted 01/10/2018 at 16:58:24
LOL Mike. I just can’t figure Victor out at this point.
Alan J Thompson
5 Posted 01/10/2018 at 17:01:48
Anyone know how Tarashaj is doing given he is a Swiss international who hasn't played a competitive game for Everton and doesn't need a work permit?
Mike Gaynes
6 Posted 01/10/2018 at 17:22:51
Not well at all, Alan. He made three early-season sub appearances for Grasshoppers, and then injured his foot in August and hasn't played since.
Alan J Thompson
7 Posted 01/10/2018 at 17:27:33
Cheers, Mike, he does sound a very Everton signing then.
Sorry, couldn't resist a smile.
Paul Tran
8 Posted 01/10/2018 at 18:08:28
Ashley Williams is getting absolute pelters from Stoke fans on Twitter!
Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 01/10/2018 at 18:35:37
Pelters? Is that good or bad? Translation please.
Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 01/10/2018 at 18:50:48
I wonder if Ashley Williams was every any good?

I mean he spent a long time outside the top flight where he wouldn't have been exposed as much. Then he is in the Premier League with a team who concede 60-odd goals a season, that are perennial relegation favorites, so expectations aren't exactly high.

Maybe he just got found out at Everton because expectations are higher.

Paul Tran
11 Posted 01/10/2018 at 18:53:43
Mike, they think he is the warmest, stalest, smellyest shite.

Maybe I'll stop being subtle.

Mike Gaynes
12 Posted 01/10/2018 at 19:03:57
Ah, got it, Paul. And I have a new word for my vocabulary. Always educational to be here.
Bill Gienapp
13 Posted 01/10/2018 at 19:05:13
Mike (3) – well Fiorentina haven't sent him back prematurely the way Olympiakos did, so I guess that counts as progress.
Brian Williams
14 Posted 01/10/2018 at 19:32:13
Mike @12.

If you're giving someone "pelters" you're giving them a good "slagging," giving them "down the banks," "ripping the piss" out of them, basically making fun of them in an enthusiastic and energetiic way, lol!

Mike Gaynes
15 Posted 01/10/2018 at 19:36:51
Thanks Brian... writing... writing...
James Flynn
16 Posted 04/10/2018 at 23:08:31
Galatasaray-Porto CL highlights. Our boy Henry featured twice in the first 1:30 minutes or so. Looked good doing so.

By the highlights, Galatasaray missed several opportunities to win the game.

Link

Anton Walsh
17 Posted 19/10/2018 at 23:40:59
Mo Besic just gave a MotM performance as Borough beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1. He scored and assisted another. Passed great all night and broke up play great. Question: is that really his level?
Gerry Quinn
18 Posted 22/10/2018 at 18:46:13
Nikola Vlasic was asked who he thinks will win the Champions League this season - and his response suggests he's not thinking about returning to Everton.

"In the Premier League, only the top five or six teams, managed by foreigners like Klopp or Guardiola, play great football," Vlasic continued. “The others think only about defending, focusing on the physical aspect. That’s not how I want to play.”

Is that the best way to endear yourself to the Everton faithful? Wonder why Silva doesn't rate him good enough to be in his squad...

Steve Ferns
19 Posted 22/10/2018 at 18:51:41
Vlasic could be a really good player, but he’s not fast enough for the wing, and lacks the all round game for the middle, or the real eye for the pass to be a No 10.

I don’t think we’d regret selling him. He doesn’t seem to have enjoyed his time here and he’s not fought hard enough for his place. These comments and those of his sister say a lot.

Steve Croston
20 Posted 22/10/2018 at 19:52:01
Just forget about Vlasic and his ridiculous entourage. An absolute gobshite and no mistake; sell him and move on. He'll be at Newcastle or Middlesbrough soon enough.
Kieran Kinsella
21 Posted 22/10/2018 at 20:26:00
Vlasic to me just seems like a spoilt kid. You get these pushy parents in the US who live vicariously through their kids and somehow convince little Tyler that he is the best thing since sliced bread. His parents sound the same way.

The fact his Dad publicly supported Nikola's view that, with no goals and no assists, he was the "best midfielder" at the club pretty much says it all really. Anyway, I guess in his absence we will make do with those rough house "dogs of war" Bernard and Gomes.

Bill Gienapp
22 Posted 22/10/2018 at 20:40:32
Vlasic is acting like a real dope – lashing out because his pride was wounded, instead of just keeping his mouth shut and showing what he can do on loan. I think he has potential, but he'd be lucky to get in our matchday squad at the moment – so let him continue to be a legend in his own mind, just because he's bagged a few goals in the rinky-dink Russian league.
Christy Ring
23 Posted 22/10/2018 at 21:21:50
Vlasic and his family have let themselves down, and his comments about the redshite says it all. Silva was right to send him on loan, because he was totally inconsistent, he's playing well in the Russian league, so was Niasse!
Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 24/10/2018 at 06:16:59
Vlasic may not be amongst the best players you have ever seen but I don't think his comments are too far from the truth and especially if you consider the last Everton manager he played a competitive game under was either Allardyce or Koeman. How many times have you read on here suggesting we would be happy with a "Top 6" finish?

And how many clubs are coached by English managers or indeed top European coaches and in which other leagues would the likes of Pulis, Warnock, etc get a job? The Russian League may not be the World's best but he was talking about the Champions League, and how many times have we qualified for that in the last 25 years.

As for not thinking about returning to or endearing himself to Everton, I think Messrs Silva & Brands may well have given him that idea.

Sam Hoare
25 Posted 24/10/2018 at 07:59:25
Part of me thinks Vlasic is an idiot and part of me thinks that what he's saying is probably not that far from the truth and respects that he's brave enough to say it.

Ultimately, as long as someone is not disrupting the team, I only care about they bring on the pitch. If Vlasic shows that he is as good as he thinks he is (and being MotM against Real Madrid in the Champions League is a good start) then we should do our best to keep him. He's smart, can dribble, passes well and can shoot with either feet. Certainly a very decent player... though time will tell how good.

Joe McMahon
26 Posted 24/10/2018 at 09:05:00
Ashley Williams was once very good, a bit like Leighton Baines was once very good. We should never have signed Williams, he was already way past his best. Victor you are just classic!
Jon Withey
27 Posted 24/10/2018 at 09:38:00
With Lookman, Richarlison, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Gomes and Walcott – I don't think we have a place for Vlasic anyway. It can't have been great under Koeman or Allardyce but it's done now. He looked rubbish in preseason and that was his chance.
Ajay Gopal
28 Posted 24/10/2018 at 09:49:41
Paul Tran (8):

From the BBC website on 16 October:

“Wales captain Ashley Williams put in an "outstanding, magnificent" performance in their 1-0 Nations League win over Republic of Ireland,” – Ryan Giggs, Manager

Strange how he turned out so poor for Everton and Stoke.

Ajay Gopal
29 Posted 24/10/2018 at 09:54:53
Joe (26), how can you possibly put Williams and Baines in the same sentence? One is a club legend, the other will barely be a footnote in Everton’s history.
Joe McMahon
30 Posted 24/10/2018 at 10:07:12
AJ, very good, not a legend. Alan Ball, was a legend. Leighton was near brilliance playing with Steven Pienaar. The term 'legend' is too commonly used these days. I would even say Peter Reid was; he fought for Everton on and off the pitch, and we won silverware.
Ajay Gopal
31 Posted 24/10/2018 at 10:52:13
Agreed, 'legend' is too strong a word, but get my gist. Baines has been a consistent top level performer for Everton for over a decade, whereas Williams (for whatever reason and in spite of his best efforts) was quite below par for most of his career with us.
Lee Jamieson
32 Posted 24/10/2018 at 13:45:41
Bolasie didn't even make the Villa bench this week. Anyone know if he is injured again?
Steve Ferns
33 Posted 24/10/2018 at 14:16:36
Categories mean different things to different people.

World Class - for me this is the class of player that can consider themselves to be as good as the best player in the world. It was said we've had one world class player in recent times, Lukaku. No, Lukaku was not on the level of the best striker in the world. So, I would also say that we haven't had any world class players for a very long time. Baines was not far off world class, but he was never the world's best. Same with Coleman. Stones, Lescott, Howard, Cahill, Arteta, Gravesen, Barkley, etc never world class.

The only player you can say unequivocally was world class was Southall. I'm not old enough to say if Gary Stevens, Trevor Steven, Paul Bracewell, Kevin Ratcliffe, Peter Reid, Graeme Sharp or Andy Gray was world class. I believe not quite, but whilst I saw them, I did so through the eyes of a child. Gary Lineker was world class and confirmed so when he went to Barcelona and won the ECWC. But then Lineker said the Everton '86 side was better than the Barca side.

Legend is a term that means very different things to different people. For me, I take the term quite literally. A legend is a mythical figure. So, Duncan Ferguson for me is not even close to being an Everton great, but he is a legend. The reason I see him as a legend is that he is a player who will not simply fade away and be forgotten about. His undoubted hero status prevails, and he becomes mythical with the passage of time. His exploits off the pitch, which occurred before the days of social media, are unverifiable and give further credence to his status.

For me, the highest level of former player is that of a great. For me a great is someone who can be considered the greatest to play for us. So, of course, William Dean, Neville Southall, Brian Labone, and all the usual suspects. Duncan Ferguson, is on no one's list for the best ever XI.

Then we have the icons. Those iconic figures of an era. This is the likes of Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta, Seamus Coleman, and the rest.

So where would I put Baines? He's not quite the greatest (Wilson), but he's close. So somewhere between an icon and a great. He's certainly the closest to making our best XI since the glory days of the 80s.

John Pickles
35 Posted 27/10/2018 at 21:18:06
Joe Williams

I was at the Bolton vs Hull match today and kept my eye on Joe.

Bolton played a wing back 3-5-2, Joe played right centre mid.

He played well, always making himself available for his team mates. He knows where his teammates are, has a good pass on him, his passing starts moves rather than splits defences. He didn't get forward very often leaving that to the livewire Erhun Oztumer who played just behind the front two. He is quite a good tackler and not afraid to get stuck in. He has several moves on him to beat his man, most were class but once or twice resulted in him losing possession.

I thought Joe was the second most effective player (behind the diminutive Oztumer) in a very poor Bolton side.

I think Joe has a promising future, possibly one day somewhere in the Premier League, but seems to be a 'jack of all trades' Centre Midfielder rather than excelling in any specialist midfield role. He would also benefit from playing with better quality teammates, Pirlo, Xavi and Iniesta couldn't create a chance for the 2 static carthorses Bolton 'play' up front.

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