Is the Premier League getting boring?

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I just read this on Facebook and it really got me thinking....

Is the Premier League getting boring. How much longer can it continue being about the "Big Six"? Is it about to bite its own bum?

The sooner they all fuck off to a 'Super League' the better. It's so one-sided now that even the City fans are bored. The 'atmosphere' was like a library. I'm sure the excitement of playing Liverpool, Barca etc every second week without the pressure of relegation will be tremendous!

I'm a Burnley fan and the sooner we are relegated the better - the Premier League is the equivalent of the English aristocracy versus the peasants, getting crumbs off the master's table and hoping we aren't given a thrashing every week for getting above our station. Football was once the game of the people now it's just another corporate business – whoever has the most money wins.

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James Flynn
1 Posted 10/11/2018 at 17:29:23
No, it isn't.
Michael Kenrick
2 Posted 10/11/2018 at 17:40:10
Today is a good test of this hypothesis. Six games on the slate, Spurs the only one of the so-called "Big Six" playing... and not till 5:30 pm.

So, the early game a bottom-of-the-table clash with an early red card and a late late goal (spoiler alert!!!) ... but the quality of footy was painful at best.

Then the 3-o'clock games amongst the also-rans were much of a muchness, tbh. Level of interest and enthusiasm in the proceedings? I would say "low", perhaps rising to "moderate" if, like me, you only focus on the highlights.

I did have the Leicester vs Burnley game on in the background, but hardly raised an eyebrow in that direction. Perhaps the sad circumstances affected that one.

Dermot Byrne
3 Posted 10/11/2018 at 17:59:56
Probably in same way too leagues all over Europe are full in same way. A league of 3 or 4 and then the rest.
Andy McNabb
4 Posted 12/11/2018 at 05:33:19
Perhaps change the title of the article to – 'When can you last remember being interested in who won the thing?'

We have to go through Optus to access the Premier League these days over here. No problem – I would rather watch the Championship where there is at least some element of surprise. I'm happy picking up the goals on something like 'hoofoot' as my days of watching live Premier League games are long gone.

Is it just me is or is anyone else surprised that the 'big' games are still advertised as if we were all still interested?

Somebody wake me up when the Super League is established, although I suppose I can tell my grandchildren I was actually alive when Leicester won the league?

James Newcombe
5 Posted 12/11/2018 at 10:29:58
Getting?

It's hard to maintain interest with the skewed money, bent refs, and diving. Thank God Leicester City mixed things up a bit!

Brian Harrison
6 Posted 13/11/2018 at 11:59:53
I see an article in the Times is saying that the Premier League are planning to bring in a rule that will allow only 12 of the 25 in any squad to be overseas players after Brexit. I guess Southgate will be pleased, but not sure how Premier League clubs will react seeing as most squads have a lot more than 12 overseas players in their squads.
Simon Smith
7 Posted 13/11/2018 at 18:48:42
The Premier League isn't boring, imo, it's a bit lopsided due to the sheer volume of money a few teams have, but Leicester have made fans dare to dream again.

Also, if we're honest the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have gone close on fairly low net spends.

In this league every now and again teams like us, Liverpool and Spurs get a player the huge clubs want, we have to exploit the situation and aim high. This has happened throughout Europe for years, even going back to Juve losing Zidane. It's about recruitment at the end of the day, they replaced Zidane with Nedved, Buffon and Turam for instance, they nailed their recruitment and kicked on brilliantly.

We fucked up on our recruitment in many ways after selling Lukaku, Stones, Barkley etc, but we can still fix it with a good couple of windows. We got Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson in for the above 3, forget the shite we bought to go with it. We also got the likes of Lookman and Vlasic through the door around that period who may both go onto big things with the club.

Liverpool fucked up with the Suarez money, but sorted it out a few seasons on knowing they had Courtinho money to fall back on, they nailed the signings of Salah, Mane, Firmino etc.

Spurs net spend is also low, they probably would have won a league only Chelsea and Man City pushed the bar so high in terms of consistency.

The Premier League is the biggest league about, billionaires are always looking to invest and if you can get lucky any team can become the best as shown by both Chelsea and Man City.

Man Utd and Liverpool always have some money to spend due to there global market, but again spurs and Arsenal to some extent have shown they can compete with them, despite not having a sugar daddy or being a huge global brand.

We could get this in the mixer if we continue to recruit wisely, it may mean Richarlison, mina or Pickford could go in 3 or 4 years, but we need to demand crazy money and box clever by spending before we sell so as were not held to ransom.

The Premier League clearly have levels of money: the mega rich, the rich, the middle men, the lesser fortunate and the poor, but even Burnley have shown that the poor can survive and grow.

Ray Said
8 Posted 13/11/2018 at 19:04:46
A bit off point but I find it boring when managers slavishly copy the 'in vogue' system of the week regardless of if they actually have the players for that system. Take a manager like Mark Hughes- who I doubt could 'manage' a wee without five assistants to help him- he will play 4-2-3 1 if the 'big boys' are playing it. If they move to 433 then he will follow, if they go 442 he will copy.

Ranieri broke to SKY favourite club domination in the title winning year by looking at what players he had, found the system that suited those players and went with that. He abandoned that system the next year and got sacked.

Lawrence Green
9 Posted 13/11/2018 at 19:06:31
Yeah, Spurs and Liverpool are really frugal with their spending on transfers but what about the wages they pay out?

Anyway, the thing that is wrong with the Premier League is the constant pursuit of money usually at the expense of the fans who travel up and down the country supporting their chosen clubs.

As if to emphasise that the Premier League is more interested in cash than the actual game itself the outgoing Chairman Richard Scudamore is likely to get himself a farewell gift of £5M if the 20 clubs decide to follow the Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck's suggestion that each club gives £250k. I would have thought giving that money to grass roots football would have been money well spent – but hey ho!

The incoming Chairman is Susanna Dinnage, who is a Fulham supporter but her expertise is in the broadcasting field, perhaps she also has a deep knowledge of football? Nothing wrong with appointing a female to the top job but I do wonder whether football is becoming more akin to a TV show such as Strictly Come Dancing or Big Brother rather than a sport that laughingly is called the Beautiful Game by some.


Susanna Dinnage is one of the most senior female executives in British television with more than two decades' experience. For the last 10 years she has worked at the US pay-TV giant Discovery, which owns the Eurosport brand, where she has spent the last year in the role of global president of its Animal Planet brand.

Based in the UK, Dinnage, a Fulham fan, was responsible for running Discovery UK and Ireland's operation. The 51-year-old will not be daunted by the triennial, £5bn auction for Premier League TV rights having had experience, albeit not directly, in negotiations for crown jewel sports assets.


New Premier League Chief

Joe McMahon
10 Posted 13/11/2018 at 19:43:32
Sorry, Lawrence... last season, Salah was earning (from LFC) £60k a week less than Rooney.
Eric Paul
11 Posted 13/11/2018 at 20:02:31
The vast amounts of money are only a problem when someone else has it!
Peter Warren
12 Posted 13/11/2018 at 20:03:17
Spurs pay only a little more than us in wages.
Lawrence Green
13 Posted 13/11/2018 at 20:32:15
Slightly less than Spurs or £38m difference in the wage bill? Not far off half a million quid a week! Rooney may have been on more than Salah but the total wage bills for the respective clubs are miles apart and have been for some considerable period of time. Of course we may by now be outspending the reds on salaries but somehow I doubt it.

NO# CLUB 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
1 Manchester City £216m £205m £193.8m £225m
2 Manchester United £187m £215.8m £203m £220.8m
3 Chelsea £190m £192.7m £215.6m £218m
4 Arsenal £166.4m £180.4m £192m £200.5m
5 Liverpool £140m £144m £152m £165.6m
6 Tottenham £112m £100.4m £110.5m £121.2m
7 Everton £66m £69.3m £74.7m £83m

Simon Smith
14 Posted 13/11/2018 at 23:23:14
Yes men I agree the top few spend more on wages, but that kind of goes hand in hand with the Champions League.

Spurs and Liverpool earn the right to pay them wages, Liverpool themselves lost that right when not in the Champions League, but once they got back in it the level of player they bought went up, along with the wage bill.

Spurs pay less in wages than Liverpool and Arsenal yet manage to finish above them; everything can't be blamed on money, mostly it's down to recruitment, but not all recruitment is just about players – managers are also recruited by the club.

Poccettino was recruited by Spurs, with that he showed them they didn't need massive investment for his way of playing, he developed their youth as he did at Southampton. He then recruited players like Trippier, Alderweireld, and Ben Davis for very reasonable prices.

Klopp was also recruited by LFC, he didn't spend a penny on his first transfer window (maybe his first 2, not 100% sure), instead he brought back every player who was out on loan and gave everyone a clean slate. He also developed some youngsters (namely Arnold and Gomez), but his biggest attribute was to recruit players like mane, Salah and Robinson. They are 3 players that weren't exactly being persuade by big clubs, they were bought by Klopp and he pretty much nailed it. Same with Van Dijk and Allison, he spotted a weakness and recruited wisely. Yes they may be expensive, but fact is most players are, we spent similar money to Salah and Mane on Tosun and Bolasie, we have huge wages to Rooney which was pathetic, and we recruited players like Ashley Williams, Schniederlin and Martina for decent money or high wages.

Money is king in the footballing world, but sometimes you need to realise that it's not all money, sometimes you have to maximise what you have as Ranieri did to win the league at Leicester. Back to the talk of recruitment (I know I keep mentioning it but imo it's huge), Leicester got there's wrong after there league win, they only sold Kante, but they bought the likes of Slimani and Musa for big money, and neither of them done a tap. If they had bought Mane and Salah or developed the likes of Gray quicker (as Spurs have done with lots of players), they could have stayed within that top 4/6 bracket and possibly been able to invest again the following season on players wanting to join the biggest league in the world but only for a Champions League club.

Again unfortunately back to the shite, we bid for Dzeko and Giroud, neither was interested, probably as we wasn't in the champions league. In terms of Dzeko, who in the right mind leaves the city of Rome for the city of Liverpool, well Salah does, so long as you have champions league to offer him. Also remember that Roma had the same offer of Champions League, yet he fancied another crack at the best league in the world.

David Ellis
15 Posted 14/11/2018 at 02:57:21
Simon – well, they collect rubbish in Liverpool; in Rome... not so much.
David Ellis
16 Posted 14/11/2018 at 03:02:47
Is the Premier League boring? It's probably less boring than for some time as there are 6 teams that realistically could win it (at the start of the season... we are now down to 3 but that's also pretty normal for Nov).

Before Man City and Chelsea were bankrolled there were only really 3 teams that could win it (all play in Red) and only two that actually did so (apart from Blackburn in 95 when they had a sugar daddy).

Quite why a Burnley fan is complaining about this – their relative status as a club has never been higher. We, on the other hand, will always miss being a genuine challenger/winner once every decade.

But this year hope is bringing to spring eternal. And it's the hope that kills you.

Lawrence Green
17 Posted 14/11/2018 at 10:04:50
Simon #14,

There is a lot of truth in what you say, however, Leicester City did show all of the league how to do it in their miracle season, but were they able to sustain it? – if not, why not? Because the wealthier clubs attracted the better more expensive players who demand the highest salaries, which Leicester couldn't afford despite being in the Champions League. I also think that Leicester City spent quite a bit prior to their miracle season.

This is the same issue that Everton FC will face, if they manage to have an excellent season on the pitch and somehow sneak into the Champions League. Already, the media and pundits are asking can Everton hold onto Richarlison or Pickford, because they know that our coffers will only stretch so far. The elite group have been building year on year for nearly a quarter-of-a-century, so every other club is almost having to chase them from a standing start.

This is what I find so annoying when the crowd over the park are somehow held up as a club of the people who do things the right way without spending oodles of cash – it's just untrue and they are as corporate as any of the other top English clubs.

Premier League and Formula One both have great Public Relations and make tons of cash, but neither sport is truly competitive as most people in the last decade, could predict which teams will compete for the honours at the start of every season.

As a footnote, I've just read that Richard Scudamore has bemoaned the possible loss of income and interest for the Premier League brand, because of Manchester United's recent fall from grace! Of course this sort of remark has no bearing on the officials when they take charge of games involving the elite clubs, does it?


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Amit Vithlani
18 Posted 14/11/2018 at 11:22:50
Great OP and some excellent responses.

My tuppence is that there is a growing trend of globalisation (ownership, fan base, sponsors, merchandising, overseas tournaments, coaching clinics for kids overseas) which began with Manchester United and the Glazers and spread through the top 5 or 6 clubs in the Premier League to its current form.

Outside the Premier League, Barca, Real, PSG and Bayern too have developed into super brands. It is noteworthy that these days you can find PSG and Bayern club shops in Doha airport.

Man City too have emerged as a global football club, not only due to the massive investment and the arrival of Guardiola, but also down to owning football clubs in the USA and Australia.

It seems like a juggernaut that will be difficult to stop, resulting in a segregation of superpower clubs with their global appeal and more locally supported clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth.

We appear to be somewhere in between. As shown in this site, there are a load of supporters from the US, Africa and Asia although not as many as the super clubs.

The heart of our support as I see it is still UK based with a local core. (I think we have an excellent mix).

So, yes I guess its boring for local fans of Burnley and Bournemouth, but the Premier League has worldwide appeal and within that strong trend, I remain interested in the hope that we can push on to win trophies and ourselves develop the requisite financial, reputational and political muscle to even things on the playing field..

Pete Edwards
19 Posted 14/11/2018 at 11:45:30
I think that Burnley fan might just get his wish come May!
Tony J Williams
20 Posted 14/11/2018 at 12:59:34
It went boring on 15 August 1992 — and Everton were partly to blame for that too.

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 14/11/2018 at 13:05:34
IT is mostly about money; in the richest league in the world, nearly everyone on the playing side of the coin – managers, players etc – have enjoyed wages beyond imagination years ago, because of TV.

And the money, it has poured in, only the main people involved in football – us, the fans – have failed to gain anything from it. When I say 'fans', I mean the people who travel and pay to watch the game, That we are treated this way is unbelievable.

The above doesn't make the game boring, but the fact that there is now an unlevel playing field, with only the richest clubs going to win the main honour and quite a large percentage of the results of most games, between the top clubs and the rest, very predictable, does make it boring in my opinion.

Dermot Byrne
22 Posted 14/11/2018 at 13:16:53
Boring?

God no!

All clubs in Premier League are being asked to give hundreds of thousands to Richard Scudamore so he can have a £5M golden handshake.

That has got me more excited than anything and really got my blood boiling.

Link

Dermot Byrne
23 Posted 14/11/2018 at 13:35:55
Richard Scudamore £5m disgrace.

Sign this petition started by Ged ? (Just copy into browser)

https://www.change.org/p/premier-league-stop-5m-golden-handshake-to-premier-league-boss?recruiter=45935172&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_content=okt_psf_tw_clinks:control

Steve Barr
24 Posted 14/11/2018 at 13:54:59
Dermot,

Just added my signature and recommended that if Everton has another £250k to spare then donate it to more deserving local Liverpool ventures (although I know we already do a great job in the local community) for example, the Everton Red Triangle Boxing Club would be one rather than this undeserving cause!

Pete Edwards
25 Posted 14/11/2018 at 14:14:27
Signed and shared on twitter!
Kevin Tully
26 Posted 14/11/2018 at 14:53:56
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't our Chairman flog the training ground we once owned for £9m, then recently make a profit of £46m (minus the 5% he still owns) whilst his bezzie, Phil Green, underwrote all his borrowings, no doubt making a small fortune in the process? Green doesn't do anything for anyone unless he can line his own pockets.

Seem to remember people defending those deals, but some Blues are doing their nut over something that hasn't even happened yet.

Funny old game, alright.

Jamie Crowley
27 Posted 14/11/2018 at 15:12:54
Agreeing with James Flynn.

No, it isn't.

On the contrary, it's probably the most exciting league in the world. Leicester's miracle just two years ago, three still unbeaten teams this season vying for the title, the fight for 4th with the last Champions League spot, and the year-in, year-out relegation battles.

Boring? No way.

Try slogging through an 82-game NHL season or a 162-game baseball season just waiting for the playoffs!

Mike Gaynes
28 Posted 14/11/2018 at 17:30:45
Jamie, you're in Florida, so can you confirm the rumor that with the CIA no longer allowed to use waterboarding, they're torturing suspects by forcing them to watch Marlins games?
Kristian Boyce
29 Posted 14/11/2018 at 17:43:49
I heard a Fulham fan say the exact same thing the other day about wanting to go back to the Championship. Pathetic really as it seems the not very good teams in the Premier League want to go back down to a lower league. Probably because they were a bigger team there and won games? A complete opposite of what they are achieving presently. I doubt a single Burnley complained last season about the league being boring.

Is the league more boring now? Seems a lot of people have forgotten the 90s and 2000s when Man Utd basically won it every year. With more money coming into the game, more teams will compete. Look at Wolves, and all the hype that has followed them up the division. They have the target of Europe in the next 3 seasons. I bet none of those fans are bored of the Premier League right now.

Dermot Byrne
30 Posted 14/11/2018 at 18:38:48
Before you get a splinter in the bum from sitting on the fence, Kev #26, what's your view, mate?
Andrew Clare
31 Posted 14/11/2018 at 19:55:54
Lawrence #17,

That's exactly what happens in Spain when clubs like Valencia and Seville have a good season. Barcelona and Real Madrid poach their players.

It is most important that Silva resists any offers for our players and convinces them that they will achieve their ambitions with Everton. I know it's easier said than done when big money is offered.

James Flynn
32 Posted 14/11/2018 at 19:57:39
Mike (28) - After waterboarding, initially they were using giant pictures of Jeff Loria. This was also banned as cruel and unusual. So now they just have to watch the games. Could be worse.
James Hughes
33 Posted 14/11/2018 at 22:27:54
What? Baseball is a 162-game season? That is torture. Nine innings each game just for someone to win 2-1.

Sorry just trying to get my head round how long that season is.... So over1,400 innings EACH per season yet you 'Mericans call cricket too long and boring! And people say you don't do irony.

Lawrence Green
34 Posted 15/11/2018 at 14:39:11
Kevin #26,

Well, what d'ya know... the Premier League clubs have agreed to pay Richard Scudamore a £5M leaving present, but he's not leaving as he's been retained in an advisory capacity – probably to ready himself to govern the European Super League when it arrives.

How much more good could £250k have done for the communities in which the 20 Premier League clubs are based? Shame on Everton FC and Liverpool FC for not making a stand against such an absurd gift to a man who has been paid handsomely during his 19-year tenure.

James Flynn
35 Posted 15/11/2018 at 15:20:44
James (33) - "you 'Mericans call cricket too long and boring!"

Not sure where the irony is in any of that. As it is, we don't call cricket anything. Even if they know that sport actually exists, no-one cares about it.

Pete Edwards
36 Posted 15/11/2018 at 15:29:01
Couldn't they have just got him a Seiko watch from Argos and engraved the back of it or something!!
Jamie Crowley
37 Posted 16/11/2018 at 14:04:55
Mike and James - too funny.

James Hughes @33 -

A lot of my English friends here ask me why I don't get into cricket.

I tell them there's no need. I already have my long, boring sport to watch in baseball.

And to back James Flynn, and to put on the Ugly 'Merican suit / trackie - we just don't give a fiddler's fart about cricket.

Personally I'd put rugby in that group as well. I have my NFL, which I adore, along with college football which in my part of the country is bigger than the NFL, so I don't need rugby either. Could care less about it to be honest.

Everton on the other hand consumes me.

Gary Russell
38 Posted 16/11/2018 at 14:34:22
We need an Everton ruga team...

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