Loan Watch — #4

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This article in The Guardian covered the range of on-loan Premier League players. The report in regards to our 14 boys elsewhere goes as such:

Everton

Ashley Williams, 34, Stoke: Williams has little future at Everton, but is a regular starter at Stoke and says he is “pleased with how it’s going”.

Henry Onyekuru, 21, Galatasaray: The Nigerian striker signed a 5-year contract in 2017 but does not have a work permit so must play abroad. He is a regular starter at Galatasaray, and has played in Nigeria’s last four games (though never for more than 9 minutes).

Nikola Vlasic, 21, CSKA Moscow: Still only 21, Vlasic has started every domestic and Champions League game for CSKA Moscow, won their player of the month award in September, and his fourth senior cap against England last week. Marco Silva says he could still have a future at Everton: “We will follow him and take that decision.”

Muhamed Besic, 26, Middlesbrough: The midfielder is in his second loan at Middlesbrough and, after an inconsistent start to the season, has become an important member of the team. “On his day he is as good as anything in this league,” says Tony Pulis.

Antonee Robinson, 21, Wigan: The Milton Keynes-born American left-back is having a fine season at Wigan, though he injured an ankle on international duty last week and is likely to be out for a month.

Callum Connolly, 21, Wigan: Connolly started 29 league games for Ipswich last season but is finding it harder to get game time at Wigan, where he has started five league games, and only two in the last two months.

Luke Garbutt, 25, Oxford United: It is nearly 3 years since Garbutt’s last first-team appearance for Everton. Last season’s loan at Wigan was only moderately successful and he is not excelling this season either, having not made it further than Oxford’s bench in their last seven league games.

Cuco Martina, 29, Stoke: Martina was a certain starter at right-back until injury intervened and gave 19-year-old Tom Edwards a chance to stake a claim for the spot. As a result of the youngster’s form, Martina has been on the bench for Stoke’s last two matches.

Yannick Bolasie, 29, Aston Villa: Bolasie’s comeback from long-term knee injury has been slow: he has only recently returned to full training and has been limited to substitute appearances – none of his 10 league appearances has lasted more than 28 minutes. He has declared himself fully fit for Sunday’s Birmingham derby, with Dean Smith saying he is “getting better and better”.

Shani Tarashaj, 23, Grasshoppers: Roberto Martínez predicted Tarashaj would “without a doubt have a great future” when he signed from Grasshoppers in 2016. He is now back there, where he has been sidelined by injury since August.

Kevin Mirallas, 31, Fiorentina: Mirallas has starred in just three league games for Fiorentina. The most recent, at home to Roma, saw him replaced after 53 minutes and just 13 touches. His stated desire is to sign a permanent deal in Florence: “This is the perfect club for me – like the city, beautiful and welcoming.”

Joe Williams, 21, Bolton: Williams has started all but Bolton’s first league match, and Phil Parkinson has described him as “a great all-round midfield player” who “is confident and good on the ball”. Silva has spoken of his admiration and a return to the first-team fold at Everton is not out of the question.

Sandro Ramírez, 23, Real Sociedad: Ramírez has concluded that “my characteristics are not compatible with English football” but they don’t appear to be massively compatible with the Real Sociedad first team either: he has started one league game, has often been shunted to the right wing when he has appeared and is yet to make a significant impact. He celebrates the first anniversary of his last first-team goal on Friday.

Matty Pennington, 24, Ipswich: The centre-back has been a resounding success at Ipswich, where he has stood out even when filling in at right-back, and was voted the club’s player of the month for September and October.

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Fran Mitchell
1 Posted 22/11/2018 at 04:51:36

Seems like Williams, Robinson, Vlasic, and Onyekuru could well have futures at the club, going by this report. While hats off to Matty Pennington who, despite limitiations, could turn out to be a solid Championship level, maybe even Premier League, centre-half.

Callum Connolly may need to change loan clubs, or return to the U23s to avoid regression. The rest... well, thank god they ain't gracing our club anymore.

David Ellis
2 Posted 22/11/2018 at 05:46:27
Robinson. He's been going well for Club and country and may emerge as the back-up to Digne if and when Leighton moves on. I have high hopes for him.

Pleased for Pennington. Connolly looks to have been overtaken by Robinson at left-back, but was playing as a defensive mid-season. I don't think he's got the necessary ability to beat a man now needed by the modern full-back.

Ajay Gopal
3 Posted 22/11/2018 at 06:38:20
Saw a news headline that Ashley had to apologise to fans (Stoke? Wales?) for appearing to mock them on a video. Anyone anything else on this matter?

If Zouma goes back to Chelsea, then we could have Matty Pennington as 2nd backup to Keane and Mina after Holgate. He is in the old fashioned English defender mould like Stubbs and Jagielka.

Peter Gorman
4 Posted 22/11/2018 at 06:41:23
No idea, Ajay, but I'm still waiting for an apology for last season.
Kevin Prytherch
5 Posted 22/11/2018 at 07:29:35
It's a shame for Connolly, he kept Davies out of the England U21 team over the summer and has been a regular for Championship sides for 2 years. Just shows how some loan moves don't work out.

Pennington has probably found his level at 24 years old. He'll make a very good career at Championship level. Same with Besic: Championship or Lower Premier League.

Robinson and Onyekuru should come back to fight for a first-team slot. I'm hopeful for Joe Williams, but he'll be coming back to compete with a younger Davies and Dowell, and an established Gomes, Sigurdsson and Gueye.

David Pearl
6 Posted 22/11/2018 at 07:57:59
Ajay, I think it was from back when he was a Swansea player and he was caught on camera mocking Cardiff fans for ‘doing the ayatollah'.

Are the rumours of Ramírez's wages true at £150 grand a week? If so, we will be paying those wages till his contract runs out. And Mirallas, oh dear. What were they thinking giving him that extension?

Bollasie has taken a long time to get back, too long, but is looking good from what I've seen... better than he ever looked for us in his brief appearances. I still have a soft spot for Besic. Out of that list, though, l can see only Vlasic and Onyekuru coming back with possibly future claims.

Dan Kemp
7 Posted 22/11/2018 at 13:26:38
Anyone know what became of Ryan Ledson?
Steve Ferns
8 Posted 22/11/2018 at 14:24:32
Dan, he left and joined Oxford. He did well there and he was bought by Preston. He's played regularly for them but is out injured at the moment. I don't think he's been brilliant for Preston, I believe he's just been okay.

Obviously it's a step back up but he's only young and it might require a readjustment. I expect him to surpass the level of Dan Gosling and so carve out a career in the Premier League.

Fran Mitchell
9 Posted 22/11/2018 at 14:25:00
Dan, according to Wiki he's doing quite well. Young player of the season and fans player of the season last year, moved to Preston this summer and is a regular for their first team. Still only 21.

Always looked a talent, and seems to be applying himself well, could well make a Premier League player yet.

Anyone see the original Guardian article? The Chelsea section is like reading War and Peace. Absurd. 40 players on loan.

The stockpiling of young players by Premier League clubs (including Everton) is something that needs to be curbed.

There should be a first-team squad, a reserve squad of say 16 players max and a limit on loans (say 3 outgoing, 3 incoming).

This way, players or their agents cannot just continue to contract themselves to a club for the wage (eg, Sandro, Bolasie, Williams, Besic, Mirallas) and continue to get first-team football elsewhere. They'll have to choose, rot in the reserves and get your inflated wage, or move and accept the pay that clubs are willing to pay.

It will also stop clubs hanging on to young talent that could thrive (eg, Ledson, Duffy) if given a permanent move to a lower-division club.

Pete Edwards
10 Posted 22/11/2018 at 15:09:25
Fran, I understand what you are saying but I think in the case of Everton, there are 14 players on that list; out of them I'd say probably only Vlasic, Onyekuru, Robinson, Connolly & (J) Williams have any future at the club. The later 3 probably the season after next so makes sense to get them first team football until then.

Most of the others are yesterday's men with I believe (A) Wiliams, Tarashaj and Martina out of contract come the end of this season with no chance of getting new contracts, best to get them out of the door.

The others on the list, Mirallas, Garbutt, Besic, Bolasie & Sandro all seem surplus to requirements so again better to have them away from the club and have a portion of wages paid by someone else and have them (hopefully) in the shop window.

There's only Pennington who I'm not sure on. My take is that I think he'll take the same route as Duffy has with us selling him. He'll have a couple of decent seasons in the Championship and end up playing Prem football by being promoted

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 22/11/2018 at 15:30:01
The reality is, for a player like Sandro, ie, a player on an inflated wage who will never get that wage again, and his career is quickly going down the pan.

What I would expect to happen is a Rooney type situation where we look to shift half his wages by letting him go permanently to a new club and we'd subsidise the new contract to the tune of half the wages he was on for the duration of the original contract.

That said, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments.

Michael Kenrick
12 Posted 22/11/2018 at 15:58:37
There should be a first-team squad, a reserve squad of say 16 players max and a limit on loans (say 3 outgoing, 3 incoming).

How quaint, Fran. 'Reserves'... Maybe they should play on the same day as the senior squad, but at the opposition's ground? Then, fans who couldn't travel could still go to their Temple of Football every week to watch their own players... perhaps at 3pm on a Saturday, every Saturday??? Ah, the good old days

Get with it, Fran. The whole ethos of the 'Reserves' has died the death, consigned to the annals of history. Now, it's all about 'Development' of young players coming up through the ranks.

I admit I don't really understand the loan system that we as a club seem to have bought into increasingly. It seems to be part and parcel of the newer Development philosophy, however. Stockpiling talent just in case one of them is a star? Or to deny ownership of that potential talent to your competitors? Only for us (and others) to fall foul of changing rules and be banned from making any Under-18 transfers. Go Figure!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

13 Posted 22/11/2018 at 16:00:26
Peter @ 4.

Cruel Peter, cruel...

But very very funny!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

15 Posted 22/11/2018 at 16:26:27
Harmless fun quiz on the Beeb, comparing players and their transfer fees from different eras and choosing – factoring in for inflation – who would be pricier in today's market.

A couple of Everton mentions:

Lukaku's fee from Everton to Manure is compared to Thierry Henry's transfer to Arsenal.

Richarlison's fee from Watford to Everton is compared to Big Dunc's fee from Rangers to Everton.

Who d'ya reckon would be the pricier today, with inflation adjusted?

For those inclined to some harmless fun, no spoilers from me. Have a go here:

Link

James Flynn
16 Posted 23/11/2018 at 19:23:35
Jay (15) - Thanks. Fun quiz.

Goes to show, owners always threw money around. There's just a lot more of it now.

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