The Goose With the Golden Egg

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For the past 20 years, we were sold the sop of "The People's Club". We were told we had no money, though the Premier League money was rolling in. It financed a comfortable status quo of a manager who had a glass ceiling on his achievement, over-paid long-term and extended contracts, and a comfortable backroom staff, with a youth development policy sold as 'with potiential', which only partly materialised. Everton in the Community was achieving more awards anyway. The false dawn of a stadium was sold to us on three occasions. Such a management was never going to be permanently in the top four or win anything. The Chairman told us at AGMs that he needed a billionaire to buy the club.

What he was really looking for was a Goose with a Golden Egg; to provide the money to clear the debt, buy out any remortgages or find finance (which the old management were never capable of doing) for a stadium, and maintain the comfortable status quo. He found the Goose with the Golden Egg in a restaurant frequented by luvvies in London. Other potential suitors always smelt a rat.

So the Goose with the Golden Egg paid the debt, cleared mortgages, secured a site for the stadium development, possibly raised the appropriate finance, and maintained the comfortable status quo. Superimposed on by a new Chief Executive Officer, with no football experience, who gave everyone fancy titles and more money for the same job they had been doing in the first place, with little progress. In addition, funds for player acquisitions were provided. Notable amongst them was to pay the highest wages to a former Evertonian well past his sell-by date (who got caught in a Beetle), and other overpriced rubbish that other clubs wanted rid of, who couldn’t believe their luck at what Everton were willing to pay for them.

The Goose then was encouraged to take responsibility for the appointment of the new manager, Roberto Martinez, paying out the previous manager's contract, extended at the end of the first season by the old regime, whose flaws Crystal Palace exposed three-quarters of the way through that same season. He was also was allowed to spend the summer commenting on the World Cup rather than in squad preparation. The predictable failed season resulted. Ronald Koeman was appointed and started after he decided he was going to end his holiday. This new manager, though gone in 2 years, is still being paid by Everton. The Spanish press had documented the unbelievable saga of his previous appointment – failings which you could have cut and pasted with translation to describe his Everton career.

The Goose panicked and sought the advice of Jim White with the yellow tie. "Big Sam is your Man" — after all, he was good enough for England, until... Walsh liked his old mate. A large part of the Everton fanbase had a collective fit as Big Sam turned out to be unfit to manage England and more. Big Sam bought Walcott and Tosun in the ‘Risky January Transfer Window’ (according to Brands). They both were deemed good enough to play against Watford on the first anniversary of their transfer and have good contracts they would never see anywhere else. No-one else wants them anyway.

Big Sam went off with a load of cash to Dubai to sun his ass and the Goose thought that Marco Silva had potential. Having made up his mind, he wasn’t put off by the threat of compensation or the results of any FA investigation (still pending), or the fact that Marco became unemployed because of poor team management. Silva would get the crap the Goose had bought in to develop into players that were worth their signing-on fee and reduce transfer costs by developing youth. The Goose still believes the latter. It quickly became apparent that Silva was capable of neither and had a tendency not to be aware of recurring weaknesses, never mind sorting them out. Brands ran the eye over Silva before he himself started as the Goose thought, belatedly, it would be better to have someone who knew about football involved.

Silva was given a 3-year contract, yet Emery only gets 1 year at Arsenal? Reluctantly, at the last minute, the Goose parted with more money during the summer transfer window, holding Brands to his main target of reducing the now enormous wage bill with contracts finishing as late as 2022. He found it impossible to find any club willing to pay for rubbish. It was difficult to get suitable players, and risks had to be taken on injured players. Walcott was assessed as being better than Aaron Lennon somehow. Silva's marquee signing at £40 million (part of this fee I still think was compensation to Watford) to try take the bad look off it, turned out to be the worst Brazilian passer of the ball in history, with a tendency to be shepherded down blind alleys and not able to stay upright for no reason. Some talented young players wanted away and didn’t want to come back. They are all attending part-time German classes.

Silva rotated the team selection as if he was playing in five competitions and still does, even though they are only in one. Silva told the fans he was interested in another two competitions, but a lot doubted that. Now only in one. Anyway, the less said, the better.

The January transfer window was too risky, but the fact that Everton had overspent in terms of regulations was closer to the truth. Everton had to sell to buy. The mooted transfer interest in Oumar Niasse and Cenk Tosun turned out to be fairytale and players out on loan to reduce wages started to boomerang back. Everton nearly sold Idrissa Gueye which would have definitely goosed them. The summer transfer window could be the same scenario, only with more boomerangs.

Brands got promoted to the Board after half a season and one transfer window, a feat he didn’t achieve in Holland in 9 years with one of the best reputations in Europe. (Suggestion: All future contracts should have cleaning duties written into them.)

Now Everton face the real threat of relegation, a feat achieved before by the same old yet still-present regime. Baines and an extended contract are being mooted. Sounds familiar.

So, friends and fellow long-suffering Evertonians, unfortunately, ‘The Goose with the Golden Egg‘ is a fairytale, as is the achievement of a top-four finish or winning any cup competition or the increasingly doubtful completion of a new stadium any time soon. The old yet still-present regime being capable of achieving anything is a fairytale and the Golden Egg is nearly eaten.

The Goose needs to call on the help of his friend who is not a Goose, who would need to have a few roughneck friends capable of a clean out of Everton Football Club from top to bottom.

We all know the predicament Everton are in. Changing our useless manager will not make much difference to the direction of Everton whilst the old yet still-present regime is in place. Brands’s honeymoon period hasn’t ended yet. Hopefully it won’t go Cocu or Cuco or Cuckoo.

To win anything in football at any level takes a good chairman, a capable committee or board, and the rest on the backroom and playing end will slot into place. No fry-ups help as well. (Suggestion: All warm-weather breaks should be cold-weather breaks, no skiing facilities, the colder the better.)

I can’t remember the happy ending to the Goose with the Golden Egg. Hopefully there was one.

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Clive Rogers
1 Posted 13/02/2019 at 09:55:49
If somebody poaches the golden egg we’ll be goosed.
Stan Schofield
2 Posted 13/02/2019 at 10:50:52
Good job it's just a fairy tale .
Steve Hogan
3 Posted 13/02/2019 at 13:01:34
Amusing piece Jerome, yet some of the 'characters' in the story have been singled out for unfair criticism, in particular Marcel Brands.

He has inherited an unsightly mess, in terms of a bloated squad of high earning under achievers, at least give him the opportunity to clean up the giant turd he inherited.

For all the talk of Moshiri being somewhat naive in appointing Silva (and to some degree he has been), the new development at Bramley Moore WILL happen. Everton's future simply depends on it.

Without Moshiri's financial clout and injection of cash into the club, we would be looking at a bleak future in an increasingly decrepit Goodison Park, a stadium simply not fit for purpose.

Jim Harrison
4 Posted 13/02/2019 at 15:30:55
Chelsea. Taken over by a far bigger goose with a platinum egg, already in top 4. Are currently reported to be considering sacking their 3rd top tier coach in 5 years.

Manchester City, with a free stadium, already having received significant funding and a superstar manager, took 4 years to win title. They have spent £1.4 billion on players.

Manchester United. They spend each season what we have in the past two seasons. Best finish in 6 years: 2nd. And that is after winning the Premier League at a canter in Ferguson's last season.

Liverpool, manager finished lower in his first season than his predecessor. They have spent heavily in each of the past 10 seasons plus.

It's not rosy at present, but it certainly isn't completely fucked.

Should the manager be sacked, there is a far more talented pool of players than 3 years ago.

Not a garden of roses, but there is plenty of potential.

Jerome Shields
5 Posted 13/02/2019 at 15:42:04
Steve #3.

Regarding Brands, I am also hopeful but, in the context of the regime, his appointment to the Board reduces his accountability in the organisation as regards transfers. This falls into elements of the old regime which I don't like. Yes, Brands did inherit an unsightly mess.

In the case of the development of the new stadium. it will go ahead and be built, as you rightly say, but, with the present regime who have not been up to it in the past, a very tight control on expenditure would have to be in place. Particularly the admin budget would have to be conservative. This all could make a big difference to the timescale of the project and its cost, and Everton's future growth. I would not like to see the stadium project parallel the football development project. . .

If I was to write the article again, I would not have called Silva 'useless'; I think this was unfair and did try to correct it before publication. I would have called Silva 'hopeless' in the true sense of the word. I think the careless talk at the AGM and the promotion of Brands (effectively dissolving the Marcel & Marco partnership) left Silva an isolated figure, sending him the message: 'You are on your own, lad'. Everton in transition was officially ended and any 3-year plan was torn up.

We all have been here before with the old yet still in place regime; quite frankly, I am sick of it.

I hope you are right, Steve.

David Pearl
6 Posted 13/02/2019 at 15:43:58
Perhaps someone could stop adding to the dung pile and write something positive for a change.

Yes, we have quite a few players to get rid of. It's a process to take us to the next level. We made mistakes by changing styles as much as managers and buying too many players that were not much of an upgrade on what we already had. Replace Gana and Davies with Schniederlin and McCarthy and there would not be much of a difference.

So... sell or get rid of the ten or so players we need to trim the squad, and no more loans. Then buy 2 or 3 top quality players that actually improve the team and not just add numbers. Simple really.

Anthony A Hughes
7 Posted 13/02/2019 at 15:51:57
Too many non-achievers sucking on the Everton tit.
Don Alexander
8 Posted 13/02/2019 at 16:01:56
David #6, give it a go mate! What the hell is there to be positive about?
Jimmy Hogan
9 Posted 13/02/2019 at 16:41:31
I think it'stretching it a bit to claim that "Everton face the real threat of relegation". The whole piece is verging on the paranoid if you ask me...
Steavey Buckley
10 Posted 13/02/2019 at 16:54:51
Jimmy, Everton are on a dangerous losing streak and the confidence has been shot to pieces. Teams like Burnley can go to Brighton and win 3:1 when Everton can't so it is difficult to see where the next win is coming from.
Derek Taylor
11 Posted 13/02/2019 at 17:11:58
Being positive, there is NO threat of relegation this season even if the form of the last 11 games is repeated in the 11 left to play. We shall end with 43 points and well clear of the bottom three.

As for the rest of the dog's dinner described in Jerome's piece, there is no cause for optimism and from what I have seen so far that includes the rapidly over-promoted board member, Brands, who, to me, seems yet another Dutch myth.

Paul Richards
12 Posted 13/02/2019 at 17:14:27
Got to agree, Jimmy. I find this guy's writing annoying at best. He keeps harping on the same things as if he has some searing vision of the right way things must happen, along with intimate knowledge that everything done at Everton is wrong.

Take the length of Silva's contract. 3 years, what's wrong with that? (And how many fucking times do we have to have you harp on about it???) Yes, you could argue for a smaller duration, but guess what: it's 3 years. A done deal. No amount of fairytale whinging from this bloke is gioing to change that. And quite honestly, if it was 2 years of 4 years, there is no way you could convince me that would make any difference whatsoever to our current situation.

Brands on the Board. Here's another one you've posted time and time again. He's the Director of Football... so why not have him on the Board of Directors? I think the involvement of what we assume to be a real football man on the Board should surely have positive outcomes in terms of direction and oversight of EFC.

Your main gripe seems to be about accountability for transfers. Sounds meaningful... but how in reality does that actually work at a football club? In the old yet still here regime, Boys Pen Billy apparently had utimate overall responsibility for all transfers,good and bad, and he was Chairmen of the Board.

You infer that this will change the relationship between Marco and Marcel, as if you had any idea at all what that relationship was like anyway. Why couldn't it be as effective as that between Moyes and Kenwright when it comes to trasnfers, which seemed to work well enough?

Jerome. please stop pretending you have any idea of what really goes on inside Everton Football Club. I'm pretty sure you don't.

Dave Abrahams
13 Posted 13/02/2019 at 17:20:41
Good and amusing post, Jerome. I think and hope you got it right by saying the real goose hasn't entered the scene yet but, when he does, some of the old regime will be kicked into touch and we will start to make real progress.
Darren Hind
14 Posted 13/02/2019 at 18:50:28
I liked this piece, Jerome. I know it was penned with tongue firmly in cheek, but you still managed to make a few decent points.

I have to agree with those who have pulled you on your "real threat of relegation" though. It's not happening, Jerome. Not because we are too good, but because there is so much dross at the bottom of this league.

I look at our recent form and wonder how shite do you have to be to fall into the bottom half of this league? Fulham and Huddersfield will not get to our current points level and there will be at least one other that fails.

I would bet we would still stay up if we never played another game. The sad truth is: this team would be in deep deep shit in a decent league or in seasons gone by.

Robert Williams
15 Posted 13/02/2019 at 19:20:30
Dave 13 – the 'real goose' that hasn't entered the scene yet – but when he does I hope it will be one fucking big 'Gander"!!

As for Jerome's Brands of humour I thought for a minute that he was going to emulate his namesake, Jerome K Jerome, and tell us about 'Three Men In a Boat' – presumably Moshiri, Brands and Silva – but then I realised he was telling us about "Three Men in the Shit"!

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 13/02/2019 at 20:05:30
I've been reading Jerome's repetitive comments here for a long time, and I think Paul Richards #12 has him pegged just right.

The snarky commentary on the raw 21-year-old kid who leads the club in goals and has improved in every professional season is especially dense in my opinion. (Wonder what Jerome was doing at 21.) And the critiques of an owner who has been in full charge of the club only since last summer and a DOF who has been on the job only since last summer are just wave-off material. You'd have to believe in bigger fairy tales than the Golden Goose to claim that two executives should turn around a mess like this in eight months.

Like Paul says, Jerome hasn't got a clue.

Lev Vellene
17 Posted 13/02/2019 at 22:05:37
I like the OP! Not because I feel he's right, but feathers should be ruffled according to personal view, or we'll be bored to tears! I liked some of the points, although I didn't agree with many more of them, but a novel way of presenting it that I enjoyed!

It's certainly one valid way of looking at how EFC works!

Jay Harris
18 Posted 13/02/2019 at 23:50:50
Jerome,

I agree Silva is not useless. He's not that good.

Golden Goose Productions is still running at Goodison Park. The only problem is all the proceeds go to a certain Bill Kenwright.

Joe Corgan
19 Posted 14/02/2019 at 00:52:54
I couldn't disagree more with so many of the points in this strange article.

Moshiri has indeed cleared our debt with a director's loan on a much lower rate of interest, while funding spending the likes of which we've never seen before.

He appointed magic-man Steve Walsh, who unearthed gems like Kante, Vardy and Mahrez. I don't remember many people complaining at the time. Same with Koeman. He was a great coup until he turned up for his first day on the job.

Having made those mistakes, Moshiri quickly moved to correct both of them. Another round of spending ensued. Meanwhile, Brands worked manfully to move on the dross, and managed to vastly reduce the wage bill almost overnight.

Meanwhile, the boardroom has been reorganised and the entire club looks like a more professional outfit that, off the pitch at least, is going places. The Bramley-Moore Dock stadium is happening one way or the other.

Allardyce was never anything more than a stop-gap. A means to an end who was dispensed with at the earliest possible opportunity.

Silva was and continues to be a mistake. Moshiri has shown restraint so far. There is little to be gained in getting rid right now. We're under very little threat of relegation so the smart money is to give him until the end of the season. The same is true of the striker we supposedly desperately need. No point paying over the odds in January for one of the few half-decent strikers that might be available. Right now even Messi couldn't score us into the top six before May.

So, unlike the article's author, I'm pretty positive about our future overall. We're in a better place than we have been for almost 30 years. We're a decent manager and a few players short of moving clear of the rest of the pack and I expect both of these things to be addressed in the summer.

Alexander Murphy
20 Posted 14/02/2019 at 07:48:07
Never mind golden eggs.

Show Me the silver!

That is the real measure of success for a truly ambitious football club. Nothing will change for the better with "Barren Hardup" pulling the strings.

Derek Taylor
21 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:01:05
Remind me, Joe – which club are you talking about?
Rob Halligan
22 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:10:25
Just out of curiosity, what would people's reaction be on here, if the club made an approach for Mourinho?
Rob Halligan
23 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:11:10
Just out of curiosity, what would people's reaction be on here if the club made an approach for Mourinho?
Steve Brown
24 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:22:50
I think the strategy of the club is to develop young talent, which is not Mourinho's bag. If it was all about today, then he is a proven winner in England, Spain, Portugal and Italy who would not tolerate the poor professionalism of our senior players for one minute. It would certainly be combustible!
John Raftery
25 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:49:33
Rob (22), Good question. My reaction would be one of disbelief, even more so if he accepted. He hated living in a hotel in Manchester so I can't see him returning to the North-West.

He has spent most of the last 16 years managing Champions League teams. It would require humility on his part to step down a level to our club. Humility has never been an attribute we would associate with Jose.

I would agree our strategy now is to develop young players while using the transfer market more selectively than we have over the past three years. How we could do with someone like Eric Harrison whose death has been announced this morning. His development of the class of ‘92 at Man Utd was his headline achievement but our national media will probably overlook his role at our club in producing Kevin Ratcliffe, Kevin Richardson, Gary Stevens, Brian Borrows and Steve McMahon in our class of ‘81. They came through at a time when our scattergun approach in the transfer market had made us worse despite a huge financial outlay.

Brian Harrison
26 Posted 14/02/2019 at 10:53:44
Apart from getting a fantastic redundancy pay-off why would anyone want to become manager of this club, especially if we sack another manager after one season?

The atmosphere around this club for the last 4 years has been awful, we have an owner who in 4 years despite pumping in £250 million has taken this club backwards. I also think his money has made the fans less tolerant, and always looking now to criticize rather than support.

Goodison has become the new Coliseum, where even as early as half time, some are booing the players off as if that will somehow help. The speculation has already started as to how long Silva has left and who should we get to replace him. Some posters this morning suggesting Mourhino really, you think with Real Madrid and Inter looking at him he would even consider Everton?

I would imagine if we do sack Silva then we will revert to what we have done in all our history and appoint someone who has never won anything but given some money might win something.

Brent Stephens
27 Posted 14/02/2019 at 11:17:23
Rob #22,

There are certain managers I don't like as people – Benitez, Klopp, Mourinho etc. But a successful Everton will, for me, always trump those feelings. So if Everton made an approach, I would not be upset. Whether they will and whether he'd accept are different questions.

Sam Hoare
28 Posted 14/02/2019 at 11:25:16
Rob, I'd have extremely mixed reactions if it looked like Mourinho were incoming. On one hand, he's one of the finest and most successful managers of his generation and young enough to build something truly special. On the other hand, he has become something of a sideshow with burgeoning reputation for pissing everyone off and bringing more in the way of toxicity than tactics.

Given how much we have wasted on players already, I'd be wary of bringing in one the most expensive managers in the world whose rarely known to last his contract. Though perhaps it would be exciting.

A lot would depend on how he started. Whether it looked like he had learned anything from his failed time at Man Utd. If things started badly then it could become a very expensive and damaging experiment. But if things went well, then... who knows?

Derek Taylor
29 Posted 14/02/2019 at 11:51:22
Many calls for Moshiri to see off Silva and, perhaps, just as many to keep faith with him as long as we are not relegated. I read this morning that since the Russians took over Chelsea they have gone through 12 managers in 10 years during which time they have maintained a place at or near the top.

So to stick or twist? Twist just about gets my vote because who cares who manages our club as long as they win a few?

Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 14/02/2019 at 12:37:21
I have personally seen enough from Silva to fire him and have a caretaker run the rest of this season. I also still worry about getting sucked into trouble, however unlikely it may seem.

I am simply terribly disappointed with how it has all panned out. The club has basically been in crisis management for the last few years. The January spending under Allardyce was panic-buying and the purchase of so many Number 10s including the return of Rooney. No replacement for Rom etc. Now we face another upheaval. If we stick with Marco, I fear we will have a similar scenario this time next year and another year will be wasted.

I watched Spurs last night. They were second best for the first half but changed it round and played so well to get a wonderful win. Their players not only played to the plan but they passed the ball to each other, not behind. The basics were good. Dortmund also looked so good until the last 15 minutes.

Our lads look like they come from another planet where gravity is greater and the ball is made of cheese.

Sam Hoare
31 Posted 14/02/2019 at 13:46:01
Eddie i'm not sure I agree with you about Silva, i'm still on the fence and hoping that he can show signs in the next few months of bringing this team back around. I don't see a lot of obvious improvements manager-wise out there but we will see.

I do agree with you about Dortmund. Great team. And what makes them even more impressive is that they have not spent vast fortunes.

In their team last night:

Burki – cost £3m
Zagadou – free transfer from PSG
Diallo – £25m
Toprak – £10m
Hakimi – loan
Delaney – £18m
Witsel – £18m
Dahoud – £10m
Sancho – £7m!
Pulisic – youth player
Gotze – £20m (though he was a youth player, they sold to Bayern for £35m and bought him back)

That's £90m in total if you ignore the Gotze fee (he was youth player initially for them). Or a Sigurdsson, Bolasie and Schneiderlin.

They spend cleverly on young players who have great potential and have been overlooked by current clubs or need a bigger platform.

Thats' the type of model that Brands will hopefully be looking to replicate.

Derek Thomas
32 Posted 14/02/2019 at 13:52:19
I don't know who I do want, but I know who I don't want.

Let's start with the obvious – Moyes, just no. Rafa, no thanks. Mourinho, expensive to pay off, with old fashioned methods.

Eddie Howe, have you seen his goal difference, he defends worse than Silva.

The 'outsider' bet of Arteta... I could see Boys Pen Bill having this as his back-up bet if the 'dream team' of Moyes and Rooney falls by the wayside.

Wither Brands in all this? ... if his first go-to choice is his mate Cocu. Well, all I can say is he'd better be a goodun, hitting the ground running good style.

We're in such a state, I don't even know who we'd have as a caretaker... I fear it maybe Silva.

Dave Abrahams
33 Posted 14/02/2019 at 14:25:30
John (25), I'm glad you mentioned Eric Harrison being poached from Everton.

A very good youth team coach, he didn't have much of a football career himself, playing for teams way down the ladder, but he certainly knew how to bring through young players.

Amazing how Man Utd picked up on how good he was. They must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse, they were well rewarded in their faith in him, what a team he helped to create.

Eddie Dunn
34 Posted 14/02/2019 at 14:31:24
Sam, that is shocking. It just shows how good Dortmund have been. Having more money like Premier League teams has simply made them more lazy and European clubs are happy to milk the cash cow whenever needed. Meanwhile, they can scout such super players. I thought Zagadou was incredible.
Len Hawkins
35 Posted 14/02/2019 at 14:47:28
Dave, talking about Eric Harrison, he played for Southport at the tail end of his career... I remember anything above grass level got kicked, lol. But he certainly had the knack for developing young players... mind you, as someone once pointed out on MotD, you don't win anything with kids. Scots fellow... can't remember his name.
Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 14/02/2019 at 14:55:46
Len (35), can’t remember his name? He’d be upset with that, loved himself, good at handling the ball on the line and getting away with it, blimey what his name?
Brian Williams
37 Posted 14/02/2019 at 15:11:17
Joe #19.

Excellently put mate and written using loads of common sense.

You'll upset the negative moaners and whingers on here though mate so be warned.

And it didn't take one long to get in there either!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

38 Posted 14/02/2019 at 15:14:49
I'd forgotten all about Eric Harrison's time at the club.

Thanks for the heads up reminder from others.

Was he involved in our Youth Cup Final appearances in the 1970s and 80s?

Brian Williams
39 Posted 14/02/2019 at 15:19:42
Rob #23.

In answer to your question, mate, my own take on it is that I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club.

Firstly look what he did to those Man Utd players, the same players who, when he left, went on a ten- or eleven-game unbeaten run and started to enjoy their football. And their supporters started to enjoy watching them again too after complaining over and over about their terrible style (or lack of) under Mourinho.

It's all about "him" when it comes to Mourinho and when things get a little tough he plays up and plays for a sacking, which Man Utd duly obliged him with.

By the way it cost them, wait for it, £19.6m to get rid of him. That figure is official and comes from Man Utd themselves.

IMO, his day has gone and he's refused to move with the fast pace of change in the game as a whole.

He'd ruin our club, again, IMO.

Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 14/02/2019 at 15:40:06
Jay (38), Eric was Everton's youth team coach in 1977 when they won the FA Youth Cup. He was Gordon Lee's assistant manager for three years but left Everton when G Orion was sacked and decided to go into youth team coaching. His old friend Ron Atkinson gave him a start at Man Utd and he progressed from there.

Jay this from today's Liverpool Echo.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

41 Posted 14/02/2019 at 16:14:11
Cheers Dave. Absolutely no recall of Eric being Gordon Lee's assistant. I thought that was Steve Burtenshaw, but my memory from those years is probably mixing things ups.

Certainly one that slipped through the net, considering what he achieved at Man Utd.

Brian Harrison
42 Posted 14/02/2019 at 16:24:23
Jay,

I think Burtenshaw was there while Bingham was manager and even had a couple of games in charge when we sacked Bingham. He went on from us not long after Gordon Lee took over, to manage QPR.

John Raftery
43 Posted 14/02/2019 at 16:55:08
I recall Burtenshaw was with us for the first full season of Gordon Lee's tenure. He was a very good coach for our 1977-78 team. After he left in 1978, Gordon Lee gradually lost his way especially after an injury in December ‘78 to Mike Pejic who was a vital part of our left wing triangle of with Dobson and Thomas. Their play created the chances for Latchford who was then at his peak.

The team began to fall away as we spent large sums bringing in the likes of Eastoe, Kidd, Todd, Hartford and Stanley. They were all decent, experienced players but did not gel as a team compared with those they replaced, especially the excellent Martin Dobson who departed on the expiry of his contract in the summer of 1979.

Robert Williams
44 Posted 14/02/2019 at 17:18:22
On the Mourinho point – I believe his downfall has been his attitude towards and handling of the so-called 'superstars'.

Given that Everton have no 'superstars' and not likely to have any in the foreseeable future I therefore see no reason why he should not be able to act true to his nature and kick a few arses around this place.

If he does manage to upset a few, leading to their departure, that will save Brands some work.

Raymond Fox
45 Posted 14/02/2019 at 17:28:08
Brian's post @26, summarises the position of the club up exactly.

Big name managers will not want to come to Everton unless their offered silly money to do so. They can see we haven't got the quality of player that's needed to be successful in the Premier League.

Its very doubtful that we become a team that is regularly in the top 6, because firstly we can't get top 6 players to sign for us, and as soon as we produce one, their off to the Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd et al.

Apologies for the negativity but that just about sums the plight of the club at this time in my opinion.

I do think we are under-performing though, this season, with the players we do have; I'd say 7th or 8th is where we should be, but you never know we might yet improve and come with a late surge and finish in one of those positions!

If Silva has to go I'd be sounding out Benitez to take over next season, at least we know that given the right players he can do the job.

Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 14/02/2019 at 17:49:22
Very interesting post that about Dortmund, Sam, it does show how money makes people very lazy, which is what Brands said when he came through Everton’s door.

The environment is obviously different in England, and although the patience of most Evertonians is wearing thin, I think it would be very gratifying to see the club go down this route?

The more I think about it, the more I think I wouldn’t be surprised if Everton turned to Unsworth again, but I’m not sure I know what I think anymore!

Eddie Dunn
47 Posted 14/02/2019 at 18:00:53
Brian #39, I totally agree re Mourinho. There is surely not a bigger ego in Football.

The man has obviously had great success with his brand of management but I think it was our own Steve Ferns who said this kind of man-management is a thing of the past.

The falling out with his best player was farcical. Moureen sacrificed the prospect of the club to prove that he was more important than their best player.

The days of Shankley putting someone in the reserves for 2 years is long gone. I would hate to see his hand on the tiller.

I wonder if we could tempt Lampard? A couple of years with us and then he could have the Chelsea job.

Mike Allison
48 Posted 14/02/2019 at 18:08:49
I can't wait until we get a new manager and spend lots of money on new players. There's no way that can possibly go wrong. Change and instability are exactly what this club needs right now, that's obvious from how well it has worked so far.

We can't afford to allow a squad to gel, a manager to bed in, and all the background staff to get used to the best way of working at our club. I mean, for God's sake we're all the way down to 9th in League. That's the bottom two of the top half. At least I'll be alright as I've bet £7,000 on us being relegated as it's such a certainty.

It's not like there is any precedent in the history of football ever of a manager or players improving as they spend more time together. I'm also pretty sure no-one has ever been better in their second season at a club than they were in their first, because it's a known fact that, once you play badly for a bit, there is no way back.

So yes, the current situation is definitely as bad as it's ever been, we are completely devoid of all hope and only signing a highly-rated foreign manager and spending money on another twelve players could possibly get us out of this.

I think some of you guys here on ToffeeWeb just need to have a bit of a break. Seriously, try it. Just imagine, just for a little while, that you don't need to wallow in self-pity on the internet every week (or every day for some of you) and see what happens. You might be surprised.

Eddie Dunn
49 Posted 14/02/2019 at 19:20:51
Hey Mike, how does it feel to be such an optimist? I was willing the guy (Silva) on every game, hoping for signs of him rectifying his errors. That's the problem – he is either too stubborn or too stupid to see the problems and cure them.

If you are sitting on a bus and you notice the driver is driving in the ditch half the time and on the wrong side of the road at others, do you sit there hoping that given time his driving will improve as he gets used to the bus and the route? No, you make him stop and get off before he kills you all.

Jay Harris
50 Posted 14/02/2019 at 19:26:20
Rob,

In answer to your question I would certainly have Mourhino here.

The guy is a serial winner and despite the saying he failed at Man Utd he won 88 of 144 games in charge and won the Eufa cup and League Cup. He has also won 25 trophies so the guy is hardly yesterday's man.

He does have a problem with big egos and, as there aren't many at EFC, I think he would be a good man to shake us out of our sleepwalk and would certainly not take any shit from Kenwright. Therefore he gets my vote along with Ancelotti and Wenger.

On the fence with Rafa and Bielsa; one for obvious reasons... and the other one is a lunatic.

Mike Allison
51 Posted 14/02/2019 at 20:15:16
Your analogy doesn’t hold Eddie.
Bill Gienapp
52 Posted 14/02/2019 at 21:04:19
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think Richarlison was a questionable signing (a view that seems to be quietly picking up steam around here).

No, he isn't perfect and, like most, I wish he'd curb the constant pantomiming for foul calls and just get on with it, but his value is only going one way and that's up, up, up – particularly as long as he remains a fixture with the Brazilian national team.

There's a reason clubs like Chelsea and Athletico Madrid are supposedly sniffing around him already – the kid's a serious talent.

Dave Abrahams
53 Posted 14/02/2019 at 21:46:44
Bill (52), it would be interesting to see him working with the Athletico Madrid manager, maybe he’d make a man out of him, could turn into another Costa.
Eddie Dunn
54 Posted 14/02/2019 at 22:08:16
Mike ;)
Chris Leyland
55 Posted 14/02/2019 at 23:10:27
All those who say we should get Mourinho (or whichever top manager) because they had x% win rate at club y are sadly mistaken.

Mourinho would be a disaster at Everton. He may have a high win ratio at the top clubs but, the fact is, we aren't one. What is his win rate at a mid-table Premier League team who haven't won anything for 23 years? Clue: it's 0% as he has never managed that type of team in England.

I have been one calling for Silva to go recently but on reflection, I've changed my mind. We should give him some time to clear out the remaining dross.

Jerome Shields
56 Posted 14/02/2019 at 23:33:22
In my article, I was looking at Richarlison as a bit-part player in the Everton Saga. But I actually think that, at both Watford and Everton, Richarlison was not being properly mentored or coached.

He has been allowed to play pretty well uncoached with his raw ability and opposition teams have worked out how to stifle him. They know he will run at them and try to get in a shooting position. They can bottle him up and just spoil his play. They know he will only attempt to pass when he has to. He has even been played out of position, with no coaching how to play that position.

Richarlison has a lot of untapped talent at 21, and with proper coaching to develop all aspects of his game, he would be a formidable player, probably even a star.

After Troy Deeney's outburst, was his selection to play against Watford based on "the team picking itself" as Silva said at the press conference?

Richarlison's demeanour in the second half said it all, he was badly let down by those that are paid to know better.

Mourinho as Everton Manager would certainly be combustible. It would be like driving a digger with a megaphone attached on to a scene in Blood Brothers intent on site clearance. It would get more views on YouTube than the digger in the Travelodge.

Kristian Boyce
57 Posted 15/02/2019 at 01:28:34
Supposedly Laurent Blanc’s new agent is touting him around clubs in the Premier League. I’d have him over Mourinho. Surely he would be able to sort out our defense.

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