The Liverpool Echo say that the two clubs are in talks while Goal.com claim that the Blues have bid £21m to sign the 23-year-old.
There have also been suggestions that Everton have offered to take the big centre half on loan for a season with an option to purchase at the end of the season.
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1 Posted 05/07/2018 at 05:23:16
2 Posted 05/07/2018 at 05:56:27
So if this is a serious bid, which I believe it is, then it will be a loan deal first which is the right way to go.
Everton are doing what they should be doing regarding re-building; we have undoubtedly one of the best goalkeepers on the planet and it makes sense to build from him outwards.
The picture is looking a lot clearer than it has been for some time, so I am all for Mina coming, however we do the deal.
3 Posted 05/07/2018 at 06:53:56
I think they mentioned Barca had only just signed him but he was unhappy with not getting a game. If that's the case, I'd imagine a loan or protracted sale with buy-back clause. Even so, it might give us the opportunity to loan a few of the youngsters out to gain experience and reevaluate in a year or two's time.
4 Posted 05/07/2018 at 07:44:51
5 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:06:28
He only played 4 games for Barcelona and yet they want double the price they paid for him a year ago? Canny.
Marco Silva likes to have at least one massive defender though Keane is pretty big at 6ft-4in. I'd say Keane and Mina together would make a very imposing if somewhat immobile pairing. Perhaps Mina and Holgate would be a good combo as Mason is a bit quicker and able to cover.
6 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:13:15
7 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:41:29
8 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:30:50
9 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:35:17
10 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:40:15
Don't get me wrong, I love the transfer window wrangling. It's part of the sport. I'm just not willing to spend all summer chasing my tail, clicking on every dubious link that pops up or getting disappointed when we 'lose out' on a player I'd never heard of & the management may well never have approached.
11 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:51:45
12 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:02:28
13 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:07:36
At Palmeiras the guy was brilliant. Helped win the league with them, voted best defender in the Brasileirão, scored against all state rivals (santos, são paulo and most importantly, corinthians).
Of course, the level of the Brasileirão is way below that of the Premier League, but his oerdormaces at the World Cup prove he is no dud. Barca apparently have concerns over his movement/positioning skills and thus his availability.
Think he'd be a great signing. He is a giant, he scores, and he plays with a smile on his face. A fan favorite in the making. Alongside Holgate would make an exciting prospect, with Keane and Jagielka offering competition.
Just hope if it is a loan, then we have a buy option, and if ww sign, that it doesn't include a ridiculous 'back back at a pittence' fee.
14 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:28:59
That was Gabriel Jesus's last season with Palmeiras before his move to City and a very important year for Palmeiras: they finally won the league again after a 22-year wait.
Mina did not immediately make the starting XI for a couple of reasons. Initially, he was away on International duty with Colombia at the Copa America when he first broke into the national team aged just 21. Then on his return to Palmeiras he had a hamstring injury, but by the end of his first season he did break into the team, played 11 times and scored 3 times.
In that season Palmeiras had a solid defence and carried a serious threat from dead ball situations attacking the opposition penalty area. Mina was very much part of that.
A similar pattern followed in 2017. He was again away on international duty and also had a metatarsal break, so his league performances numbered just 15.
It was enough for Barcelona to splash out €9 million for him in January this year. Palmeiras tripled their money by doing so.
Given who he is behind in the pecking order of central defenders at Barca, it is hardly surprising he has only played five times for them.
His threat at set pieces attacking the opposition goal is self-evident. He is a strong towering presence in defence. He could develop into a very fine player.
My nagging doubt about him, on what I've seen is - yes! He enjoys and is very good at the physical side of the game and loves going toe to toe with a big strong lump of a centre-forward.
Where he struggles more is with his mobility and tracking the quicker, smaller attackers which the Premier League has in abundance.
15 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:39:27
FIFA's Referees Committee on Wednesday selected 17 referees, 37 assistant referees and 10 Video Assistant Referees (VARs) for the final phase of its 2018 World Cup, holding in Russia.
Pierluigi Collina, the committee's head, told reporters in Moscow that this was because the number of referees at the 32-day competition has to be reduced at this point in time.
“The number of referees has been reduced in view of the number of matches left and the teams that have qualified for the next round.
“We have only eight matches left and only eight teams left also.
“These are in the quarter-finals (four matches), the semi-finals (two matches), third-place or losers' final (one match) and final (one match).
“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also.
“So, there is, therefore, a need for a reduction in the number,'' the former Italian referee said.
The 17 referees picked for the next phase include Alireza Faghani (Iran) and Nawaf Shukralla (Bahrain) from the Asian Football Confederation (AFC).
Others are Malang Diedhiou (Senegal) and Janny Sikazwe (Zambia) from the Confederation of African Football (CAF).
From the Confederation of Central American and Caribbean Football (CONCACAF) are Mark Geiger (USA), Jair Marrufo (USA) and Cesar Arturo Ramos (Mexico).
16 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:43:31
Get the bloke who has just played at the World Cup, troubled England's finest and is on the books at Barca or, we could go and scout him for a season or two, eh.
17 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:50:25
“The number of referees has been reduced in view of the number of matches left and the teams that have qualified for the next round. “We have only eight matches left and only eight teams left also. “These are in the quarter-finals (four matches), the semi-finals (two matches), third-place or losers final (one match) and final (one match). “Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also."
“We have only eight matches left and only eight teams left also.
“These are in the quarter-finals (four matches), the semi-finals (two matches), third-place or losers final (one match) and final (one match).
“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also."
This is one of the most wonderful pieces of text I have ever read. I get his point - just eight matches left so no need to keep all refs on board. But the way he is wording it... Probably just lost in translation. But the amount of words he needs to describe "just eight teams and eight matches left" reminds me of my school days if I needed to hit a certain amount of words in an essay.
18 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:07:07
I did think to completely cut Collina's words and just list the retained refs, but I kinda enjoyed the Pythonesque-like 'Holy Grenade of Antioch' description the bald Italian offered.
"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
19 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:13:15
Or are you at the mercy of the speculative tabloid news like the rest of us?
Quick appendage. I also see the Dutchman Bjorn Kuipers will ref the Sweden-England quarter-final. I like him. He is excellent and surely a candidate for the final also.
20 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:15:59
Seems like a bit of a gamble even if he is a beast, so the price would need to be right.
21 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:54:59
Personally, I think Holgate, Kenny etc. would benefit massively from a loan to a decent Championship side. They'd get games and experience under their belt which they're very unlikely to get here. I'd have a season-long loan planned into every young player's development. There's a huge gap between our youth setup and the first team which a well thought-out loan could bridge.
If the club feel they want Mina and can get him, then great news (as I've said, I know very little about him). My point was that I wouldn't rule him out if Barcelona won't simply sell him; we could actually use it to our favour.
(You may notice that was all said without any exclamation marks or sarcastic undertones...)
22 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:12:57
If Keane had come in and had the season that Maguire has had, then we'd all be shouting for Keane and Holgate to form the partnership that could last the next five seasons or more. I think the uncertainty over Keane has held Holgate back. That said, my thinking would be for Holgate to be on the bench and ready for action. If we need experience then Jags comes in, if we need pace we go for Holgate.
But there's merit to what you say with Feeney. Would he be best playing for the U23s where Silva and Brands can keep an eye on him, or is he best playing for a side in League One? I think due to his young age, I'd keep him in the U23s and have him as 5th choice centre-back for the first team (A new signing, Keane, Holgate, Jagielka, Feeney).
We need to learn the lessons of Galloway and Garbutt. Both were on the fringe of the first team, both looked ready, both were sent back to the U23s by Baines recovering from injury, both looked like they needed games, and both went significantly backwards because of those loans and perhaps had they stayed with us, then things would have been different.
23 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:21:47
24 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:27:56
Much better than sending them to a club where they will train with lesser quality players and coaches, with a style of play that doesn't match ours. (Dowell would have been better suited coming back to us when Karanka took over.)
At most, a short-term loan in mid-January to see how they do, if they do well á la Barkley and Coleman, then back into the first team.
25 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:35:25
Because of his size, any 50/50 tackle is going to result in the midget opponent going to ground. If he actually fouls someone, they will probably end up in Row Z.
So I think refs will hound this guy into submission to where he is afraid to tackle. That leaves him to use his balls skills – but that is his area of weakness.
26 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:37:21
We need to avoid having any more cases like 23-year-old Connor McAleny on our books. Wasn't he older, or similar in age to Lukaku? It was obvious he was never going to make it, so why was he still at the club?
21 is not a young age for a player anymore. Few players come in after 21 these days and make it. Therefore, any player over the age of 19 who is not close to the first team should really be let go.
Why loan these lads when you can give them a free transfer and offload the wages? But, because the lower league club is getting them for free, then insist on clauses enabling us to get the player back easily (paying a fee, of course) and a sell-on to let us get a slice of the pie if the kid is a late developer.
27 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:07:56
As I recall, we signed Holgate from one of those clubs you now want him to be loaned out to and Kenny, Robinson, Dowell, Williams et al have all had loan spells. It might be worth listening to Lookman's views on the system.
I'm not a great admirer of the loan system but I'd have agreed with you if you had said that it is about time some sort of League or system was set up for youngsters to play regularly against better opposition rather than the League Cup, used by a lot of clubs, and, in the case of the regularly higher League placed sides, the FA Cup.
28 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:19:05
Month-to-month loans would be great for us as, if the player is needed or deemed to be ready, then we get them straight back. Unfortunately, (but I'm not certain about this) isn't there a limit to renewing a loan deal in a single season? If a loan can only be renewed once, that means shifting a player around fairly often, which is unlikely to be helpful. Therefore I'd go for a 6-month loan with an option to extend in January.
Personally I'd send players in pairs on loan and try to develop partnerships with other clubs. Say for example sending Kenny and Holgate to Barnsley. Firstly, they're not shipped out on their own. Secondly, if they develop as we hope, then they'll know each other's game inside-out after playing competitively together. Finally, as part of the deal with Barnsley, we'd expect first dibs on any upcoming talent (ie, the next Stones or Holgate).
By the way, I personally think Holgate is a great talent and should be given an opportunity this season. I used his name as an example but I was thinking of any youngish player not in the first 25. If you're between 20-24, got years on your contract but have at least 2 players above you in the pecking order, then I'd rather see you playing.
Just my thoughts like...
29 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:22:03
However, this would undoubtedly be catastrophic to the English game, meaning a dilution to the English game, and a dismantling of the football league pyramid that underpins our game.
It's a very difficult exercise and a decision that cannot be made lightly. There does seem an air of inevitability to it though.
30 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:36:18
Vida, even Kone Sunderland all seem very similar to me. Tall, physical and quick, not seeing any ability on the ball though.
We need that style of player as often centre-backs are exposed one-on-one under Silva but perhaps were things got sticky for him at Barca is the lack of ‘ball playing' to carry it out from the back?
I think we will retain a younger element to the back line, Holgate/Keane but both require an older more experienced partner to thrive IMO. I think that's where we need to target, a 26- to 29-year-old, but time will tell.
31 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:41:16
Contacts, that's all you need these days on the merry-go-round. But just pray we get it right (lucky) this time before, as David Gray sang, 'What we gonna do when the money runs out'???
32 Posted 05/07/2018 at 17:18:04
Let's hope the other alleged link to Domagoj Vida follows a similar path, as I believe both would be a backward step to building a decent team with quick decisive forward movement.
33 Posted 05/07/2018 at 17:40:32
Everton have some decent defenders to work with and the question is who to keep and who move out.
Jags and Baines are past their best and Martina is not good enough any way you look at it. Keane looks as if he will progress under a new boss but the jury is still out on young Holgate as he needs to show more toughness at central defence.
The likes of Davies, Gana, Schneiderlin and Besic could help as deep midfielders although Schneiderlin may not be everyone's cup of tea.
What was sadly missing last season was a lack of belief from the opening whistle. There was a general lethargy from the off and apathy once they got behind.
We are all hoping, obviously, that the new staff will get things going again and it may well be that new signings are the only way to kick-start that process.
34 Posted 05/07/2018 at 18:13:38
35 Posted 05/07/2018 at 18:53:19
If they are any good, keep them here to grow into the Everton mould.
36 Posted 06/07/2018 at 11:17:55
“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also."
Simply brilliant! I will use this in the future when I went out drinking and the missus questions how much beers I had... "Only eight beers were involved in this number of beers also".
More on topic: As Brands is our new man, the Dutch press seem to link every player from the Eredivisie who can shoot a ball 10 yards straight with Everton. Mind you, with the current state of Dutch football, there are not that many players fitting this description. But I have no idea at all which rumours can be taken seriously. In the past at PSV, a few days before big signings, the press knew about them almost every single time. Lozano to PSV was lingering for months.
The Dutch press are convinced Kuipers will get the final if he does well in the Sweden - England fixture. I also rate him quite highly.
37 Posted 06/07/2018 at 11:41:13
Brands must surely have discussed Lozano's future as part of this. And surely he must have talked about Everton coming in for him. He will also be aware of any star players in their academy system.
So, in your opinion, how likely is Brands to have properly discussed the transfer of Lozano to Everton, and the sale of any other PSV players to Everton?
38 Posted 06/07/2018 at 12:14:37
And you've sown the seed of an idea how I can usefully apply the 'Collina Code' in my own negotiations with the missus!
39 Posted 06/07/2018 at 12:30:59
Jay (#38), no guarantees, probably the 'Collina code' will have the adverse effect...
40 Posted 07/07/2018 at 09:48:02
41 Posted 07/07/2018 at 14:33:24
The slagging off of easily two of our best players, Jagielka and Baines, needs to stop. I am absolutely sick of it. They helped us get out of the shit last season and are a valuable asset for next season.
While I am at it, for the morons who want to write their own history, played out of position all last season, Rooney still helped us stay up with his goals. And I thank him for that. He saw first hand what a lunatic club we are.
There isn't much wrong with most of the players we have at the club, we just have moronic management that just holds us back enormously. Liverpool have a knack of finding a good player and then know how to develop him into a great player. I'm not sure we know how to find a good player but I am sure we haven't a clue how to develop him. I haven't seen or heard much from the new management team that inspires confidence either.
But stop bashing our good experienced players, they are not the problem. Clearouts and signings have destroyed us! Nothing but madness.
42 Posted 11/07/2018 at 08:41:52
43 Posted 11/07/2018 at 09:18:27
Both can still play a part next season but obviously, at 33 and almost 36, both will need phasing out and replacing in the nearish future if we have aspirations of moving up the table.
44 Posted 11/07/2018 at 09:37:16
I hope the refs this coming season are going to follow the lead of the World Cup referees and not blow for every tackle being a foul. The one lasting positive to come out of this tournament is letting the games flow more which means a more pleasing game to watch. I, like most, am fed up to the back teeth with supposedly grown men rolling around feigning injury like a bunch of 3-year-olds. I'd be quite happy to see Mina running through any redneck bastard.
Aren't Aunties great? My old aunty had a wicked swerve on a free kick — I think the bunion put a bit of extra spin on the ball.
45 Posted 12/07/2018 at 12:31:57
All very interesting. Watch this space I suppose.
46 Posted 12/07/2018 at 14:31:58
47 Posted 14/07/2018 at 19:36:29
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