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Everton call off chase for Tierney

| Sunday, 08 July 2018 108comments  |  Jump to last
Everton have reportedly ended their attempts to sign Celtic's highly-rated fullback Kieran Tierney.

The BBC claim that the Blues have decided against pursuing the 21-year-old, despite reports that a deal had been in principle with the player over wages and a structured compensation plan over the life of his first contract.

Everton had supposedly bid £25m (which Celtic are said to have wanted paid up front and in full) for Tierney whom many regard to be the best young player in Scotland but will now look elsewhere for what would be their first signing of the summer.

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Ian Bennett
1 Posted 08/07/2018 at 12:06:57
Reports coming out we won't pay the fee and wages for Tierney. Disappointing if it's right.
Phil Martin
2 Posted 08/07/2018 at 12:16:22
If that's true about Tierney then that's another huge statement of a lack of ambition. You don't lose money on brilliant talented young players. See Lukaku, and Pickford (he's worth double what we paid now).

£25m buys you Sigurdssons left leg, and we won't pay it for the best young British player outside the Premier league.

Minik Hansen
3 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:25:09
He's not the only target. I'll be happy if we get an other promising left-back. The Rose pricetag is worrying, though, if we are to get him.
John G Davies
4 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:33:14
Very disappointing if true. A class act.
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:47:33
I have come to the sad conclusion that all transfer rumours are just idle gossip and to be taken with a pinch of salt. It’s a sad day when one realises Father Christmas is a story made up by our parents to keep us happy and docile. Same goes for footy rumours.
Jim Wilson
6 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:48:36
More Everton bollocks. £25M is not even that much by today's standards.

Not impressed. On to the next no-no.

Danny Halsall
7 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:50:54
Really disappointing, if true; it seems that nothing is for certain. I would have loved to have had him at Everton, but seems as though he is happy at Celtic and they are unwilling to sell.

I have full confidence in the new management team to get our recruitment right, but I would be lying if I said that I'm not getting nervous. Only a month or so to go before the window slams shut, I am praying that the wheels are well and truly in motion.

Michael Neely
8 Posted 08/07/2018 at 15:58:14
Jim (#4),

I doubt the £25M price tag was to blame, nor do I think it was bollocks.

I genuinely think we were after Tierney, and only time will tell what went wrong... if anything.

Never mind... there are other fish in the sea — as long as we don't catch that Rose fish. I'd much rather have Joe Bryan.

Mark Pringle
9 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:14:12
Joe Bryan? Wow. Tierney is ten times the player and I think this will be a tactical move on our part. Money talks and, as Celtic-daft as Tierney is, we can simply offer him terms that Celtic can't.

Get him in and he will be the best signing of the summer by far!!

Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:18:54
Such is my contempt for Rodgers that I am glad the prick will be denied this cash windfall ahead of the next season. Yes, I know that helps RS Gerard, and Rangers (my family are Celtic fans) but I just despise Rodgers.
Jerome Shields
11 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:22:02
At least they had the sense to walk away from an over-inflated price.

In one of the threads, Brian Williams thought Gibson of Middlesbrough as a part-exchange involving Besic was a more likely signing. He looks like the type of player we need. Has learned his trade the hard way. Is there any more information out there?

Christy Ring
12 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:30:55
A young, class full-back – I know he plays in Scotland, but he would be a superb signing. Disappointed.
Derek Knox
13 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:37:59
Thanks, Colin, for ruining my next Christmases. :-)

Seriously though, I do hope it's just rumour that we have shelved interest in Tierney; I appreciate we need to reduce numbers and wage bill, but if we seriously want success, we need good players to achieve that.

I find it totally illogical, if the information is true, that they are baulking at the alleged £25M fee for a 21-year-old special player, when recently they paid – without batting an eye-lid – £28M for 27-year-old Bolasie.

Nathan Ford
14 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:40:36
Please don't let this be true — this is the one signing we've been linked with that I truly want. Coleman and Tierney as attacking full-backs will make a huge difference to our team.

Offer £20M up front and £5M based on appearances, with Robinson on loan for the season. Please make this one happen... 🤞

Alexander O'Brien
15 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:45:52
I'm not entirely sure this one's completely dead yet. If Celtic were asking for too much then why should be bow to their demands and pay whatever they're asking? It's that tactic that put us in the shit last year. If it's not suitable, then walk away and let's see if Celtic can afford to turn down that kind of offer.
Will Mabon
16 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:48:34
I wonder, is there a little once bitten, twice shy at play since the debacle of Klaassen, the fee for Sigurdsson etc. All teams have the occasional flop, we had a succession of unsuccessful or ill-considered signings. I imagine there will be greater care taken in transfers now, maybe sometimes it will be too much care.
Gordon White
17 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:52:00
If it is true, there's more to it than just the money. I don't believe we've walked away over £25 Million. We were aware of the type of money they would want, virtually from the outset.

Problem is, everyone listens to the rumour mongers. You never know what the truth is these days. If something is repeated often enough, and from different sources, you begin to believe it. Tierney isn't the only left-back out there. I am much more concerned about Lookman going if I'm honest.

Michael Neely
18 Posted 08/07/2018 at 16:56:30
Mark #7 I didn't infer that Joe Bryan was better than Tierney or vice versa, if push came to shove I'd take tierney of course, but if he's not available then I'd take Bryan who is far from being as far behind Tierney as you suggest.
To add, some of the press in Scotland are saying this is far from over.
Sam Hoare
19 Posted 08/07/2018 at 17:10:13
Hopefully just a publicity move to show we won't be bent over a barrel like we were last Summer.

I really like Tierney and hope he comes but there's a few decent, fast left-backs around.

Jon Withey
20 Posted 08/07/2018 at 17:20:11
Open the purse-strings when we have a moron in charge, then close them again when we have someone that knows what they are doing — short-sighted if true.
John Keating
21 Posted 08/07/2018 at 17:40:51
This rumour was doing the rounds around Wednesday and Thursday. Shame if true.

Now Rose is being mentioned. Tierney at 21 is already a top player with his career ahead. Rose is 28 and, let's be honest, on the downward side of the hill.

I mentioned the Tierney rumour early this morning on another thread. It is disappointing because I've been championing him for over a year now.

I also thought Gibson as a left-sided centre-half would have been ideal; however, Steve Fearns reckons Silva likes 7 foot monsters at the back so I would imagine Gibson is out too.

Quite usual for me: two guys I wanted, looks as if I'm well off the mark – again!!!

James Stewart
22 Posted 08/07/2018 at 17:47:05
Normal service is resumed then, typical Everton. £25M in the current climate is more than fair. The majority of Celtic fans don't think that is anywhere near enough.

Bizarre transfer strategy after pissing away bigger sums on the likes of Keane and Klaassen.

Expect Tierney to end up at Spurs.

Brian Williams
23 Posted 08/07/2018 at 17:57:22
Nobody knows whether we were ever even interested. Those who are soooo disappointed really need to understand there may not have been an ounce of truth in our 'interest'. Just treat the lazy journo rumours as exactly that.

Come on, lads, it's very easy. Everton need a left-back, Tierney's a good left-back. Let's put two and two together, quote a price from thin air and run with it.

Clive Rogers
24 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:00:38
We paid more than that for Bolasie who is a lower league player. This news comes shortly after Silva and Brands saw Kenwright in London. All very worrying.
Jay Harris
25 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:14:51

Like you, I thought Tierney was nailed on and was excited at the prospect but I'm not too sure about Gibson (or Vida for that matter).

I have been championing Danny Rose for a long while now and still think him or Tierney would be the only improvements on an aging Leighton Baines.

The centre-back conundrum is a bit different as I think we need a real leader and dominator but there are that many about.

It would be wrong to settle for another Ashley Williams of Funes Mori which is what we are being linked with at the moment.

It seems Brands has his work cut out as money seems to be scarce now and he has to spend so much time trying to tie up exits for the rejects.

Ian Bennett
26 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:19:19
Normal service resumed. What's Mitch Ward's number again?
Soren Moyer
27 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:24:36
Too late! His head is turned now.
Stephen Davies
28 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:30:38
It's not worrying at all. We have to get some players off the books.

Bolasie, Sandro, Klaassen, they get almost half a million a week.
We are no longer the club who pays over-the-odds fees...

Steve Ferns
29 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:34:23
This is terrible news. We need a left back desperately and the signs were that he could have been here for 10 years, and then he'd have been a bargain. Sort it out blues.
Darren Hind
30 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:35:01
Such is life.
Matthew Williams
31 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:37:34
If we want him, go back with an improved offer.

If Celtic still play hard-ball, then go in for Joe Bryan instead... simples!

Derek Taylor
32 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:40:42
My bet is that at least eight of last season's players will line up for the opening fixture.

Brands was signed up to be more of a sales manager than a talent prospector and I suspect the pressure will be on Silva to play Unsy's lads before any more big money is whittled away on garbage.

Kenwright told them straight, I hear!

Eugene Kearney
33 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:53:08
We should be going for this guy. All these feeds about how we'd agreed terms with the player etc. and now this.

Damn it.

Derek Taylor
34 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:59:18
Steve @27, I didn't realise that Baines had already been written off as you imply. I thought he made a pretty solid return to the side last season but I suppose it's his turn to get the treatment handed out to Howard, Ossie, Hibbert, Jagielka, Rooney and anybody else who seeks to extend their Everton career much beyond their 30th birthday!

Let's forget that shipping out Barry was Koeman's greatest mistake by a mile, shall we?

Steve Ferns
35 Posted 08/07/2018 at 18:59:22
Derek, I would agree, at least 9 of the 11 will be last season's team. I just expected one signing to be a left back.

I doubt Kenwright has told Silva and Brands anything they don't already know. I believe, and yes I have said this many times, that Silva has been hired on the basis of being able to work with what we have. Brands is not someone I know much about, but I've read a lot about what people here have said, and what others have said elsewhere, and he seems like someone keen to bring in young players to the side, and develop players already at the academy. This means not blocking the route to the first team for the likes of Feeney with players like Mawson and Gibson.

Jason Broome
36 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:05:59
Hurts! Tierney will become a player on the world stage. I was hoping he would be the big one.

Reminds me of when we refused to pay £10 Million for Gareth Bale.

Ah well... I guess no wonder kid. I knew it was to good to be true.

Dave Lynch
37 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:08:15
We will know more after the training camp and first couple of friendlies. Personally, I don't hold up much hope of anything exciting but do agree that our promising youngsters are being kept out by overpaid below-average journeymen-type players.
Clive Rogers
38 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:09:40
If we start with eight or nine of last season's line-up, we are in trouble straight away.
Steve Ferns
39 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:10:57
Sorry, Derek (@31) Baines is a favourite of mine, but he has not been the same since Christmas 2014 when he almost went to Man Utd and then got a nasty injury. He's never fully recovered from it. On top of that, he has kept getting recurring injuries and he is missing too much of the season.

Then on to the other reason: he is too slow and does not have the stamina to play left back for Silva. This is a key role. He needs to be built like an 800-m runner. He was previously. He would have been perfect. But this is not the same Baines.

If we sign Tierney, then I would keep Baines and allow him to fight for his jersey, challenging Tierney to take it off him. If we signed someone like Rose, then I'd let Baines go and rely on Robinson as backup.

Maybe, though, for the reasons stated in my previous post (@32), Silva is very impressed with Robinson, and thinks Baines has enough in the tank, and we should put our faith in them.

As for Tim Howard, loved the guy, and never said much against him until 2015, when he was clearly in decline. Why? I have no idea. Physically he was fine. Therefore, any issues were mental. Big Nev says as long as you are good physically, keepers should be getting better and better in their 30s as experience makes them so. It was a big surprise to me to see Howard drop off so quickly after a great World Cup in 2014, but he had not had a good season in the run-up to it.

Leon Osman was someone I loved. Never said a bad word about him. Tony Hibbert too, I was biased as we come from the same place. Jags – I still think he's the first name on the team sheet in defence. Rooney, I would have said we should keep him and let him do a job, but for £150k a week, no chance. We were simply not getting our money's worth and so he had to go or take a pay cut, and Wayne wouldn't do that now, would he?

Kunal Desai
40 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:13:29
Maybe Tierney knows a bigger and better club will come in for him. Everton are not a big enough club for him and haven't been one over a few decades. That's the stark reality. He probably wants to hold out for a club that can offer him Champions League football.
Steve Ferns
41 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:16:19
No Kunal, that's not the rumour. Everton refuse to pay £25m in one hit. So we have pulled the plug. Everton like to pay on the never-never, and Celtic said no. So we've walked away. Terms were said to have been agreed with the player. It was simply how quickly we pay the money that was the issue.
Colin Glassar
42 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:25:59
Jason (#33), knowing our chief negotiator we might get Barry back, on a 4-year contract, for around £10M. He'll announce it as a bargain.
John McFarlane Snr
43 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:35:53
Hi Derek [#11],

It's possible that they are baulking at the £25M fee for Tierney because of the money they have appeared to have wasted on Bolasie, although I reserve judgement on that because I haven't seen enough of Bolasie. On one hand, we as supporters criticise the board for spending money... and, on the other hand give them stick for not spending enough.

Hi Steve [27],

With regard to signing a player who is likely to serve the club for 10 years, that's exactly what I thought would happen when we signed John Stones. It doesn't always work out that way, does it? I hope you're okay for the get together on Sunday, when we can put the football world to rights.

Christy Ring
44 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:44:18
Steve @38, you seem to have inside knowledge, if terms and deal agreed, there has to be a compromise to the structure of the payment. Celtic are guaranteed the money, and Tierney won't be a happy camper?
Paul Birmingham
45 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:47:13
La vie, c'est La Vie... I don't think this was the King Edwards in terms of the transfer discussion, between the clubs, but it's in my view seriously disappointing.

Some Celtic fans tell me he is the real deal, and is a proper player. Now it remains to be seen where he goes, if anywhere, and where the club's priority transfer focus now lies.

Usual EFC transfer dealings... The players over the years that we're nailed on to sign for EFC! Maybe a twist here, else do we need to offset and recover monies before any large outlay?

Steve Ferns
46 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:47:31
No inside knowledge, Christy. The rumour was we were bidding for Tierney. Now the BBC says we have pulled out. Other sources go into more detail about why. I simply have correlated them all and put them together.

Everton walk away from deal for Celtic’s Kieran Tierney

Tony Everan
47 Posted 08/07/2018 at 19:59:50
Silva maybe warming to the fact that we may have our own Kieran Tierney on our books already.

His intial assements of Antonee Robinson may be very positive, way better than he was anticipating. This will have been relayed to Marcel Brands.

He may be prepared to gamble on Baines playing the initial league matches with Antonee playing the rest and acting as back up.

Then, He may also sign left sided central defensive cover like the Algerian player we’re linked with who can play central and left back.

Silva will then have more funds to strengthen elsewhere with top quality.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:06:19
Exactly, Tony. Being positive, this may be what is happening. Doubt your man Ramy Bensebaini will be signed though. He's barely over 6 foot, and far too small for a Silva centre-half, particularly when we already lack height.
Paul Tran
49 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:20:38
What we don't know is how close this actually was, so I'm not going to spit feathers over it. I'd still love to see him in a blue shirt.

Can't understand people gnashing their teeth based on press speculation.

Joe O'Brien
50 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:22:50
This deal is far from done imo. By all accounts Tierney is pushing for the move. As Soren @25 said, his head is turned, he'll be at Celtic to sort out a compromise. How many past transfers have we seen that the deal is dead... then, lo and behold, the clubs start talking again?

We'll be the only interested parties that will pay anywhere close to the asking price. Spurs for sure won't pay it and Jose won't because he's too young and inexperienced... that leaves us. He'll be playing in blue come August.

Michael Kenrick
51 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:25:19
Clive, I would offer this qualification of what you say at #35:

If we start with eight or nine of last season's line-up, and they play like they did last season, we are in trouble straight away.

Conversely, if we start with eight or nine of last season's line-up, with better tactics, intent, and purpose instilled in them by a new training regime under Marco Silva... well, anything is possible.

It's a new era; let's give it a chance.

Gavin Johnson
52 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:29:39
Let's hope this is just brinkmanship on our part and we can renegotiate the deal so some of the £25M fee is performance related. Personally I'm miffed as to why we can't just pay the fee upfront.
John G Davies
53 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:31:15
Michael (#48).

That's the spirit. Positivity from the word go is what is required.

Chris Gould
54 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:35:59
No club would agree to pay the full amount up front. He's still untried in a decent league and is just a kid.
None of the clubs interested will agree to that (in particular Levy's Spurs) as all large transfers are paid in instalments with a portion of it being dependent on appearances and achievements.
It's a huge amount to pay in a lump sum and would take a massive chunk out of our summer funds. A club can purchase players for 100 million in a transfer window but only actually hand over 40 million or less in that first year.

Brian Wilkinson
55 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:42:54
Have a sickening feeling we will end up signing Rose and Spurs will use part of the money to sign a Tierney, hope I am wrong.
Steve Ferns
56 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:49:29
Brian, Rose is first class. He’d be great. Imagine he comes and is sold on for what we paid in two years and then Robinson claims the jersey. Just how spurs have got rid of what many considered the best fullbacks in the league in rose and walker and now look just as good with Davies and Trippier.
Jay Wood

57 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:49:54
You can tell it's the summer recess and the silly season for transfer rumours.

Absolutely zero evidence that Everton is even interested in Tierney yet we have a thread on a slow Sunday up to 50 posts and counting with claims such as:

* typical penny-pinching by Everton
* typical prevaricating by Everton failing to close the deal
* lack of ambition and desire by the board to improve the team
* proof positive that we will go into next season with the same failed team as last season, etc, etc.

No wonder all media outlets have daily transfer rumours as click bait to improve their advertising revenues.

And Steve Ferns, is it correct you work in law, be that as a lawyer, solicitor or some other capacity?

I ask because if so and with your training I would have thought you would be far more rigorous and demanding in your research and confirmation of facts rather than the highly speculative conclusions you are given to.

In this case you are basing your opinion on "Now the BBC says we have pulled out. Other sources go into more detail about why. I simply have correlated them all and put them together."

Given your hinted-at profession, I'm surprised you can't see the fount of this episode appears to be a brief single speculative piece in the Scottish Sun, regurgitated and recycled by online and offline media, as well as countless fan forums such as TW.

The editors constantly tell us the Rumour Mill section is by far and away the most popular feature on TW, so it evidently fills a need.

Me? Thank heaven a great World Cup has filled a month of the otherwise dormant summer.

As ever, I'll wait for the confirmed signings before expressing an opinion on a new player and what the implications are for the club.

Nicholas Ryan
58 Posted 08/07/2018 at 20:52:28
"It ain't over till the fat lady sings" ... And I don't hear Susan Boyle anywhere!
Don Alexander
59 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:02:33
Jay (#55), a month's a helluva long time to be stuck on the karzi. Get well soon!
Andrew Ellams
60 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:11:51
Tomorrow marks a month until the window closes and we're surviving off media rumours. My guess is that Moshiri has snapped the wallet shut and Silva will have to go with what he's got... in which case, he won't be here this time next year.

This is Moshiri's fifth transfer window and the club has gone backwards; he's not the man for Everton.

Steve Ferns
61 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:12:58
So I'm not allowed to engage in the whole aspect of transfer speculation, Jay? I have to sit back and wait for the player to wear the jersey? This isn't work, mate. This is escapism from the pressure cooker and a chance to forget the stresses. Why take it all so seriously?

Also, Jay, you'll note that one of the key players in this rumour is Greg O'Keefe, who I used to know well in a professional capacity (he was The Echo's courtroom reporter); we used to chat quite a bit. I know he's not one for making shit up.

Jay Wood

62 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:20:24
Steve, you are at liberty to post what you like. So am I.

And I think it is reasonable to observe, given your posting history on TW, you take matters Everton related very very seriously indeed.

Steve Ferns
63 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:22:17
Well then Jay, you don't me half as much as you think you do.
Jay Wood

64 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:24:53
Don, as you are someone almost exclusively given to only spouting shite, I bow to your greater experience on karzi production output.
Jay Wood

65 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:28:44
Not presuming or stating I 'know' you at all Steve. But the intensity and nature of your posting history on TW is there for all to see.

That is neither a criticism nor condemnation Steve. Just simple observation.

Steve Ferns
66 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:32:26
Well perhaps your powers of observation have missed another factor, but that's by the by.
Michael Kenrick
67 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:35:14
It has to be each to his own, Jay, as far as handling transfer speculation is concerned. Some cling to every word; some ignore it completely until a player is paraded in the shirt. It takes all sorts.

When we started the Rumour Mill way back when, in a simpler time, I thought it would be interesting to provide a way that we could track which Everton-related stories came good. We used to put up most leads, and even then, the proportion of 'fake news' averaged around 90% — but that was before we had this plethora of click-bait sites which have, for me at least, destroyed any lingering interest in the sector.

I'm with Jay in that I'd rather stick to the Real World. I believe Lyndon has wanted to enhance the reputation of the site by no longer listing every new name linked but being more discerning about what we think might have a grain of truth. As a result, we have far fewer threads than there are names linked with Everton, but those other names nevertheless almost inevitably find their way onto the threads.

Steve Ferns
68 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:41:29
Michael, John Blain of EFCSA and EBM was on another Everton Fan media site talking a lot of sense. Seeing as his EBM colleagues The Esk and Roger Armstrong contribute here now as well, any chance of John Blaine too?
Don Alexander
69 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:49:11
Michael, "each to their own opinion" is the maxim that makes the site as interesting as it is, irksome as that clearly is to one or two as they continually seek to sledge-hammer their way to "prove" to readers that they know best.

I hope the Rumour Mill continues, modified or not, but I'm not in the habit of believing media stories on football transfers. Thanks to you and Lyndon though.

Michael Kenrick
70 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:49:28
Steve, I really like listening to John Blaine (and the other two) on EBM. Is this what you are referring to:

"New Everton CEO Has Created Accountability" | John Blaine - YouTube.

I can't get any of the links to work.

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 08/07/2018 at 21:51:34
Yes, but I didn't want to publicise another site on your excellent site! I checked and the video has disappeared, which is a shame as I just finished watching / listening to it. It was a supremely optimistic video, and John was commenting on the big changes he's seen at the club under the new CEO. It was extremely hopeful for the future.
Joe McCormick
72 Posted 08/07/2018 at 22:42:04
Derek @34 Barry's legs had gone couldn't get in a piss poor West Bromwich team in the end of the season.
Tony Everan
73 Posted 08/07/2018 at 22:57:17
It is healthy to discuss and debate players offered up in rumour and speculation. We all want what is best for Everton and absolutely central to that is the quality of recruitment.

Damned right we should be interested in who is linked with us whether it is a load of old shite or not. I doubt it makes one jot of difference to who we actually sign but at least it shows we passionately care about who gets brought in.

Neil Wood
74 Posted 08/07/2018 at 23:20:18
The thing is, deep down we are all acutely aware that 90% of what we see on the rumours is complete trash. And I should know as I used to write for HITC and ninetyminutesonline. !!!
However, some of it comes from a small piece of information be it from a club insider, an agent or the agents cleaners brother who once played at the park with a players brother and follows him on insta!

But we like debate and discussion around a players fit to the club. It produces football banter that as detailed above is an escape from the pressure cooker of real life.

Thing is, I can find you now a piece of trash on soooo many players and write you an article on it... people linked with that club WILL click on it and some will genuinely believe that Ronaldo could sign for Rotherham.

But it is about looking at reliable journalists and reliable sources and trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I could write a story on ToffeeWeb rumour mill and have it placed on "news now everton" in the next hour... it would get clicks and generate money for this site.

But arguing amongst each other? Really? We're all blue aren't we!!

Jim Jennings
75 Posted 08/07/2018 at 23:40:31
“As ever, I'll wait for the confirmed signings before expressing an opinion on a new player and what the implications are for the club.”

Dead right, Jay Wood. Not like you to ever speculate on how a rumoured new signing would fare. Definitely not on Yerry Mina. Or James Maddison. Or William “no relation” Carvalho.

Whoever guessed that your account was hacked may have been onto something.

Vijay Nair
76 Posted 08/07/2018 at 23:59:50
Steve (56),

Rose was first class. Most of the Spurs fans I've spoken to reckon he hasn't been the same since his comeback from injury (knee ligament damage).

Jay Wood

77 Posted 08/07/2018 at 00:06:39
Fair point, Jim. Let me rephrase it.

What I don't presume is that we are in the market for every player linked to us.

What I don't presume is that it is some kind of failing by the club if we don't land said player, even though there is nothing official linking us to the player.

What I don't engage in is an immediate beating up on the club for showing a lack of ambition, tardiness in the transfer market, ad nauseum.

Look back on previous transfer windows. Keep an eye open in this window. I steer well clear of transfer rumour threads and certainly don't engage in any of the above-mentioned practices commonly found in such threads.

The three players you mention I commented on in general threads because I know well two of them. I contested Steve Ferns' promotion of William Carvalho with my own first-hand knowledge of the player.

On Mina, I offered again my knowledge on the player following the England - Colombia game when his name came up, based on his time playing here in Brazil. I made the general observation – not in relation to Everton or if he would be a good signing – that he was a solid strong, no-nonsense defender against a traditional bruising Number 9, but wondered how he would cope with the smaller, nimbler, more technically inclined forwards that abound in the Premier League.

On James Maddison, I made no comment about the player as I readily admitted I knew nothing of him or his game. My contribution in that regard was limited to the observation that we already had on our books a player who occupies the same position, who had a similar Championship record to Maddison last season, who has achieved more in his career at International level and who is a full year younger – Kieran Dowell.

So, no, I'm not given to speculating on each and every name linked to us and certainly do not deride the club as a default position when a rumoured transfer target isn't paraded at Finch Farm holding up the shirt within 24 hours of a breaking rumour.

Peter Thistle
78 Posted 09/07/2018 at 01:19:58
Same shit, different day.
Ed Prytherch
79 Posted 09/07/2018 at 02:04:58
One of the cool things about this site is that it is easy to self-censor the garbage.
Victor Yu
80 Posted 09/07/2018 at 02:24:13
It was about to be a done deal.

Brands and Silva met with Kenwright in London to discuss transfers.

The deal was called off.

I see a pattern here.

Terry White
81 Posted 09/07/2018 at 02:42:35
Peter (#80), are you Graeme Souness posting under a pseudonym? You and Victor (#82), different topics, same negativity, every time. As my mum used to say, "if you can't say something nice", and apparently neither of you can, "don't say anything at all".
Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 09/07/2018 at 05:48:02
Sure, Victor (#80), just make up garbage and post it.

"It was about to be a done deal." Yeah, as if you would know.

You couldn't see a pattern in a wallpaper store.

Give it a rest, son.

Steve Brown
83 Posted 09/07/2018 at 05:53:20
Typical of British clubs that they price themselves out of deals when they have a homegrown player of even average talent.

The job of the Director of Football is to find value in the market, so I support Brands in not paying over the odds for players. We signed John Stones for £3 million and Mason Holgate for £2 million, so I don't see the business case to shell out £25 million on Tierney.

Kieran Fitzgerald
84 Posted 09/07/2018 at 06:23:35
I think it may be just a case of Celtic wanting to hold on to the player. They are a relatively wealthy club so aren't desperate for the cash.

They will want the prestige of playing in the Champion's League every year but now have to play four qualifying rounds. They may want to hang on to their better players in order to qualify.

As for Everton, I think it may also be partly true that we are still clearing up last summer's mess. Nothing to back it up but I wonder if we were trying to do a cash plus player exchange deal. Maybe we're trying to spend wisely and offload players at the same time.

Gary Edwards
85 Posted 09/07/2018 at 08:03:27
Clive (24) can't believe it took 24 posts before someone made that association — it's the first thing that crossed my mind.

I have visions of Kenwright in his crass, dated London office, cigar on the go, feet on the desk, kicking it back in his weathered, reclining armchair:

"No, lads, £25M for the lad from Celtic — far too much. What about the lad who represented Argentina in the World Cup? I'm told we can get him on loan for a fee of £5M with an option to buy... Now be a luvvie and pass the butterscotch."

Gordon White
86 Posted 09/07/2018 at 09:36:51
We've got an intrinsically good squad. It isn't so much the quality of the players, but the way the team are managed and set up to play. We've also got some cracking young players who I believe only need an opportunity, and development, with the right manager.

So many of you have virtually written Baines off. A mistake. Tierney may be good. But he's good in the Scottish Premier League. If he was that good, we wouldn't have got a sniff -– I'm telling you. Klaassen was good and Sandro too. In their own leagues.

Ridiculous amount of money and I'm glad Everton are showing we're not mugs with money. We need to be more concerned about shipping out the dross and retaining players like Lookman. And we need to be creating more chances for Tosun. Yes, a replacement for Baines will be needed. But let's not go into panic mode.

Clive Rogers
87 Posted 09/07/2018 at 09:54:10
Gary, #85, good one.
Derek Taylor
88 Posted 09/07/2018 at 11:17:26
Why has no-one realised that the reason for the lack of action on the transfer front is that all the Club's targets are still on World Cup duty?

Now we are a club with money we don't shop in the Scottish League!

Ray Roche
89 Posted 09/07/2018 at 11:21:26
If the reports are all true, then we are right to walk away. An untried but promising full-back wanting wages rising to £145k a week? Madness.

He's not THAT good! And he, or his agent, have an inflated opinion of his worth. It would blow our wage structure to smithereens.

Tony Everan
90 Posted 09/07/2018 at 12:03:47
Ray (#89),

I agree wages rising to £145k pw is complete madness, what is the proven Seamus Coleman on?

Tierney has great potential to do well in the Premier League, but at the moment it remains as potential. Antonee Robinson has it too and probably a few more young left backs across Europe.

The Scottish league is not as competitive as the Championship. Tierney has it all to prove. So, while I would welcome him coming, I am glad that it won't be at any cost.

Henry Lloyd
91 Posted 09/07/2018 at 12:26:13
The one thing that Everton cannot have is another "Transfer and Buying Fiasco" like the last one with Koeman and Walsh... If it has been decided that we will not be held to ransom for purchase price and contract details, then that is the way it is.

Brands was brought in for a reason and my understanding of that reason is he will stop any bullshit with transfer fees and players and clubs taking the piss when it comes to Everton.

Fuck Tierney and Celtic if they have caused Everton to call off the chase for him. Stay in Scotland or go to a "Supposed Bigger Club" — we will get where we want to be without you.

Brent Stephens
92 Posted 09/07/2018 at 12:26:19
#78 “same shit, different day”.

Oh how true. The irony. Out of the mouths of babes.

Henry Lloyd
93 Posted 09/07/2018 at 12:30:02
Mike Gaynes (80)

The American had me pissing myself laughing again!

Someone had to tell Victor and you said it with Style..

Amit Vithlani
94 Posted 09/07/2018 at 12:54:41
Brent @ 92, if I may be permitted to egregiously mix metaphors, I would have gone for "same babes different shit".
Andy Dempsey
95 Posted 09/07/2018 at 13:07:41
We need a left back. I can't believe no-one has come in for this guy – Douglas Santos, plays for Hamburg. Yes, they were relegated, so was Pickford, and that's why we should be able to get him.

He's exactly what we need, fast, fairly strong, good delivery, and a tidy footballer. He would link up well with Lookman on the left (so would Tierney, obviously) if we decide to keep Lookman? If we don't, I'll be dead upset.

Frank Wade
96 Posted 09/07/2018 at 13:09:15
I hope we tread more warily in the transfer market this time. If we are buying a left back for £25M, I would like to see plenty of evidence that he can do his primary job, defend. His YouTube collection is mostly pushing the ball past slow defenders and burning them for pace. The TransferMarkt site has him valued at €5M.

Playing in the Scottish Premier League in a totally dominant team is not the evidence I want to see. This guy may be the business, but we would be taking a gamble. Aiden McGeady looked great playing for Celtic as well. I assume we would have offered a smaller upfront sum and installments based on appearances and progress.

Andy Dempsey
97 Posted 09/07/2018 at 13:23:20
Coincidentally, regarding Douglas Santos. It looks like he was set to sign for PSV but the transfer fell through, so Brands must really like him, maybe. Maybe there's something up with him, I don't know.

It shouldn't be difficult to sign a pacey, skilful, tireless and robust left back. Maybe he really likes the look of Robinson; if so, great – give him a go.

Victor Jones
98 Posted 09/07/2018 at 13:51:04
Was this player ever really on our radar? I'm not that sure that he was. Anyhow, Lee Wallace will soon be available. He's just about the right age for Everton. And he will definitely be the right price. He's perfect.

We waste money one season.By God did Koeman waste some money. We then spend nothing the next season. That's our Everton.

Only joking about Wallace. Why would he leave one basket case of a club. To come to another.

Let's hope that Mourinio has a big bust up with Shaw. And we then steam in and get him. Now when I say steam. I mean dither. And we then haggle over his locker or his little extra pocket money. And Burnley then buy him. That's our Everton.

So it's Baines to carry on until he reaches about fifty. Then young Robinson will not be quite so young anymore. He will be just about the correct age to then step in. Problem solved.

Brent Stephens
99 Posted 09/07/2018 at 13:55:58
Amit (#94) – I couldn't possibly comment!
Pat Kelly
100 Posted 09/07/2018 at 19:56:16
The cupboard is bare. And I don't mean just trophies. It's going to take a long time to shift the dross and build up a transfer kitty from their sale. A lot can happen in the last few days of the window but we will still need to have more shifted out to have a couple of last minute purchases dragged over the line.
Andy Crooks
101 Posted 09/07/2018 at 20:52:30
In a quiet time before the semi-finals, I love this stuff. I have mates who believe the tabloids and it is wonderful when they pop in to see me at work with stuff like, "So you've missed out on Tierney, Pickford will be off, Lookman is going." It' s fun.
Dan Brierley
102 Posted 09/07/2018 at 21:23:24
I think Jay is spot on with his analysis. Talking shite over transfers is part and parcel of being a football fan. It's what keeps us going over the summer.

But there are people that use every opportunity to beat the club with a stick. We had a huge investment last year, debts written off, yet still some cannot resist to take a swipe.

Showing ambition is one thing, but paying £25 million and £80k a week for an unproven player is another, especially when we are needing to get rid of players that haven't been able to cut it in the Premier League. Wing backs are far from the priority signings as far as I'm concerned.

Paul Tran
103 Posted 09/07/2018 at 22:00:49
If we're not happy with the price and payment terms, our best chance will be if they get knocked out of the Champions League early. They'll need the money then.

In the meantime, I hope they learn from last year and have a Plan B, C & D lined up.

Laurie Hartley
104 Posted 10/07/2018 at 04:30:19
If I am not mistaken, Wayne Rooney signs his paperwork today. I think that will be the catalyst for the announcement of our first signing. Alfie Mawson would make me happy – to start with.
Peter Mills
105 Posted 10/07/2018 at 07:08:33
If the message is going out to the football world that Everton are going to be more circumspect in their transfer negotiations this summer than they were last year, I think it is a good thing.
Tony Rio
106 Posted 10/07/2018 at 17:07:57
Not sure how true the link in the first place, but my two close friends from North of the border both said similar things despite one being a rangers season ticket holder and the other celtic.

1) He's still developing;
2) Not ready for the Premier League;
3) May have the potential to be a top player;
4) Despite knowing the inflated market, both said we shouldn't be paying more than £8m for him.

Who knows? But I trust the honest opinion of fellow season ticket holders. Alarm bells started ringing when mouth full of teeth Brenda Rodgers started talking about him leaving if they received an offer they couldn't refuse, 'couldn't blame the lad', etc etc. Very philanthropic!!

Sounds to me like he wanted to inflate the price, sell him to fund other transfers. I don't recall him being so open-minded with Suarez. And Suarez wanted out, this lad isn't forcing anything.

Incidentally, when I asked my mates whether the lad was a decent character the first thing they both said, and as if they found it a bit weird, was "apparently he's teetotal!!". Ha, don't want to be stereotyping my Scottish mates but that isn't really a big deal!! I say, writing this from a beer garden...

Paul Tran
107 Posted 12/07/2018 at 22:24:58
Tony, being teetotal arouses deep, deep suspicion in Glasgow!
John Smith
108 Posted 18/07/2018 at 01:03:37

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