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Celta Vigo interested in Sandro

| Monday, 27 August 2018 65comments  |  Jump to last
Sandro Ramirez could yet engineer a move back to Spain before Saturday's transfer deadline if Celta Vigo follow up on their reported interest in the striker.

Sandro was signed last year by Ronald Koeman but struggled to adapt to the Premier League and he was eventually loaned back to La Liga when Sevilla took him on loan.

He looked to have been given a new lease on life at Goodison Park when Marco Silva was appointed Blues manager in May and the Spaniard was given an extended run in the team during pre-season to prove his worth.

Ultimately, he showed himself to be more useful as a winger than as an out-and-out forward but without being able to displace either Theo Walcott or Richarlison from the first-choice spots out wide.

The former Malaga man was left out of the squad that travelled to Bournemouth on Wednesday and while he could be in with a shout of some playing time in the League Cup tie against Rotherham on Wednesday, a report by La Voz de Galicia suggests that Celta are taking a serious look at signing him, although it is not clear whether that would be on loan or in a permanent deal.



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Si Turner
1 Posted 27/08/2018 at 18:43:37
I hope this happens. I understand he is on massive wages with us which has been the stumbling block from him being sold permanently. Even if we at least get 50/75% and wages paid by Celta Vigo then it will be best for both club and player.
David Pearl
2 Posted 27/08/2018 at 18:57:54
He is way off what we need. So getting anything off the wage bill would help, however if he could drop down to the Championship and experience that we might benefit more than shipping him off to Spain again. Wonder what Steve Walsh is up to.
Jack Convery
3 Posted 27/08/2018 at 19:08:52
A win-win for all concerned.
Mike Gaynes
4 Posted 27/08/2018 at 19:12:25
Si, you're spot on. Sandro is one of the highest-paid players in the team. According to SillySeason, he's making a ridiculous £120,000 a week, but Spotrac says £65,000.

Either way, he's making more than Pickford, Keane, Jags, Gana or Coleman.

Bill Gienapp
5 Posted 27/08/2018 at 19:14:04
Probably a good move for all involved... I just worry, with Bolasie gone and no one quite sure where Lookman's head is at, our forward line is looking a little thin on the flanks.
Tony Everan
6 Posted 27/08/2018 at 19:57:54
Sandro has had his chances and looks less and less likely to get a start this season.

It is better for all concerned if he goes to Vigo and kickstarts his career, starts banging the goals in and gets a permanent move . If we our money back it will be a result.

Minik Hansen
7 Posted 27/08/2018 at 20:00:08
Bill, exactly my thought. If we get great cup runs, we might just need him and who knows how he will do, as he is still so young and adapting to the English game. A successful loan move, keeping Lookman and we get a European spot for next season, that might just do.
Pat Kelly
8 Posted 27/08/2018 at 22:18:30
He has no future at Everton or anywhere in the Premier League. Lookman will be gone by the weekend. Richarlison is out for three games? Tosun couldn't hit a barn door. Calvert-Lewin couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. Niasse is a wild card. Theo had better keep finding the net!
Bobby Mallon
9 Posted 27/08/2018 at 23:12:42
Pat Kelly @8 😂😂
Victor Yu
10 Posted 28/08/2018 at 02:07:22
I think he is more useful than Calvert-Lewin in my opinion.
Ashley Roberts
11 Posted 28/08/2018 at 02:24:34
We need to get this guy off of the wage bill. I am not sure who was worse Klassen, Martina or Sandro? This has to go down as one of the worst periods of management in Everton's history. Two down one to go.
Dave Bowen
12 Posted 28/08/2018 at 03:07:05
Please let this be true. One of the worst ‘strikers' I've ever seen. Up there with Rod Belfitt & Bernie Wright. (For younger viewers, google them!). Still he's only marginally worse than Calvert-Lewin!
Victor Yu
13 Posted 28/08/2018 at 03:41:51
I always wonder what has happened to him. He was having an excellent U21 tournament just before joining us. He looked okay in the first two preseason games too.
Paul Mackay
14 Posted 28/08/2018 at 08:39:10
Dave (#12),

‘One of the worst strikers' you've seen?

He's not done much for us but equally not had a great deal of time to prove himself, he played okay in pre-season without doing enough to break into our first team.

And yes, he probably isn't going to make the grade at Everton but I wouldn't go as far as saying he is one of the worse strikers I've seen, there have been many worse players over the years, including at Everton. Madar, Spencer, Angel, Barlow, I'd think a 21-year-old Sandro is comfortably better than any of these players.

Gavin Johnson
15 Posted 28/08/2018 at 08:50:19
Madar?! The mercurial Frenchman. He was a bright light in Howard Kendall Mk 3's poor side. He was one of my fave players from that era. No way was he one of our worst ever strikers.

I agree, that Sandro isn't at the same level as Barlow, Angell and Spencer. Tommy Johnson was another dud from around that time.

Dave Williams
16 Posted 28/08/2018 at 10:08:46
Spot on, Gavin. Mick Madar was a true maverick who caused a bit of angst in the dressing room but his goals saved us from the drop that year.

For truly poor strikers look at some of the above- Bernie Wright was an absolute joke, Belfitt replacing David Johnson was ridiculous, Spencer was terrible, Mo Johnston was a sad figure he had gone so far over the hill, Brett Angel, Jim Pearson, Mickey Walsh- my god we've had some rubbish over the years.

Calvert-Lewin will become a very good centre-forward in my opinion – like all young players, he needs to play in a decent team where chances are created and he can concentrate on his own position rather than sacrificing himself for the team by playing on the wing.

As for Sandro, he did look a good striker before he joined us but appears too lightweight ( like Klaassen) for the premier league. I like Tosun but eventually we will have to upgrade at centre-forward if we are to challenge the top 6. Maybe Calvert-Lewin will start to really come good this season?

Dermot Byrne
17 Posted 28/08/2018 at 10:38:08
As memory fades with age...the reminder of Mick Madar!

Completely forgot about him.

Happy memory. Thanks lads!

Chris Watts
18 Posted 28/08/2018 at 10:38:59
Calvert-Lewin would have to make some improvement to become a top striker in my opinion. He doesn't look to have any of the raw ingredients to work with? No express place, strength, no apparent instinct to score goals, extreme skill..

I agree with the posters who say our next signing needs to be a world-class centre-forward. Maybe Theo or rich can play there if Bernard comes into the side?

Dermot Byrne
19 Posted 28/08/2018 at 12:18:58
As memory fades with age...the reminder of Mick Madar!

Completely forgot about him.

Happy memory. Thanks lads!

Dave Williams
20 Posted 28/08/2018 at 12:31:31
The copying of the MU fans song for Cantona was absolutely priceless- “ oooh, ahhh, Mick Madar”
Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 28/08/2018 at 12:47:13
Mick Madar scored three or four vital goals to keep us up, missed the sitter of all sitters the night we drew 1-1 at Anfield. As pointed out a maverick, one story had him smoking reefers in The Pawn Shop (a pub in Kensington, Liverpool). Mick Walsh was bad but didn't do as much damage to Everton as his brother Steve.
Dave Bowen
22 Posted 28/08/2018 at 12:56:58
Dave @ 21 love it! Paul @ 14 nowt wrong with Mad Mickey Madar (apart from that sitter of course!) You’re right about the rest though, my brain tends to block out bad memories! For the money he’s reportedly on, Sandro has to be one of the worst value for money forwards ever.
Derek Knox
23 Posted 28/08/2018 at 13:59:08
This could be good news the fact that two Clubs are reportedly after Sandro, let's face it, he's not cut out for the Premier League, his attitude and commitment could never be faulted.

Wish the lad all the best, after all said and done it wasn't down to him that he came to Everton, and whatever wages he is own will be another one off the books.

Brian Harrison
24 Posted 28/08/2018 at 14:11:17
Certainly a move back to Spain would seem the most obvious, pity as when he was playing for the Spanish Under 23s he looked very promising. I don't think we as fans realize how hard it is to move as a young man from one country to another. I would imagine Everton are pushing for a permanent deal rather than a loan deal, but apparently he is being very well paid by Everton so maybe that might put off some clubs making the deal permanent.

On the other transfer business I see Ralf Rangwick the manager at Leipzig has said until Everton say we wont sell Lookman then Leipzig will keep trying. The good thing is there is only days left to the window in Europe closing. By all accounts Lookman still wants to go, but with Bolasie and Vlasic out on loan and Richarlison out for 3 games we would be left short in wide areas if Walcott especially got injured. Might be worth saying to Lookman you are not going anywhere at present but get your head down and we will see how we all feel come the Jan window. That way you get the player back on side and if he is getting regular starts and the team are doing well he will probably decide to stay come Jan if the club still want him too.

Joe McMahon
25 Posted 28/08/2018 at 14:29:58
Non scoring forwards Everton can do. The American In the late 90s, I remember a waste of space from Scotland in roughly the same era, Andrew Johnson running towards the corner flag and the apparent legend Dunc, who massively underachieved given his talent. I also remember an away match at West ham and Moyes started without any striker on the pitch!
Alan McGuffog
26 Posted 28/08/2018 at 14:31:58
Madar scored a beauty against a very good Blackburn side to get us three priceless points. A looping header in the Street End if I recall.
Joe McMahon
27 Posted 28/08/2018 at 14:36:49
Madar also scored a confidently taken one on one v Spurs. I think the Scottish forward I mentioned may have been John Spencer, then of course Joe-Max Moore.
Brian Wilkinson
28 Posted 28/08/2018 at 15:02:06
Dave @12, for the younger ones, throw in Stuart Barlow.
Brian Wilkinson
29 Posted 28/08/2018 at 15:08:42
He could not even score in the 22-0 win where their goalie was fasting on pies and wagon wheels, I've seen him in a few of the Europa League games and have to say did not have me out of my seat once.

God loves a trier but the standard we are looking to move onto, Sandro is not that player. Get him off the wage bill, win-win all round.

Brian Wilkinson
30 Posted 28/08/2018 at 15:12:36
Brian@24, spot on about your Lookman comment, I would start him in the Carabeo cup on Wednesday.

If he does not make the squad, then we can all assume he will be on his way.

Victor Yu
31 Posted 28/08/2018 at 15:28:38
Calvert-Lewin is below average. I just don't see any quality in him.

He reminds me of Nick Chadwick (remember him?).

Ed Prytherch
32 Posted 28/08/2018 at 15:58:04
Dave Bowen "Sandro has to be one of the worst value for money forwards ever. "
Is that taking into account inflation?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

33 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:14:17
Dave @ 21.

Mick Madar and his missed sitter that night of the 1-1at Anfield...

If my memory serves me well, that would have put us 2-0 up. From the resulting goal kick, the reds' keeper kicked a moving ball which should have been called back and re-taken.

As ever, the Devil's Contract held good and from that goal kick they went straight up the other end and equalised.

Bitter? ME? Nah!!!

Gavin Johnson
34 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:27:28
Michael, have you amended my post?

I'm pretty sure I wrote Tommy Johnson and not Andy Johnson. I actually liked AJ. His goal record was deceptive from all the penalties he scored but he was decent buy and we made a profit when we sold him on to Fulham.

Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:29:09
Sorry, Gavin, I'd totally forgotten about Tommy Johnson...
Gavin Johnson
36 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:31:40
I was. We had Tommy Johnson on loan from Celtic. It was a loan but he still had a spell with us.
Michael Kenrick
37 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:36:29
Seems like TW has (almost) forgotten about him too — if he had a player profile in the past, we overworte it with Andy Johnson's bio and career record!

Thanks for (inadvertently) flagging up that error. Now I need to go through the old archives and see if I can resurrect something on him!

Gavin Johnson
38 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:40:19
I thought Tommy Johnson played in the 1997/98 season under HK but just checked and it was 1999, so Walter must have brought him.
Ray Roche
39 Posted 28/08/2018 at 16:47:22
Michael, please tell people to stop mentioning Rod Belfitt. I have trouble sleeping as it is.😳
Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 28/08/2018 at 18:43:14
Jay (34), yes it would have been 2-0, Duncan got our goal if I'm not mistaken, think Paul Ince scored their goal. Liverpool were poor them days, how we got a draw with Claus Thomson and Gareth Farrelly as our two centre midfielders, I'll never know.

We should have been called Slow and Slower, Joe Royle said he'd had his eye on Claus for two years before he signed him, should have gone to a good optician, Joe!!!!

Andy Meighan
41 Posted 28/08/2018 at 18:47:48
I remember Tommy Johnson playing in a night game against Newcastle away Might have been a 1 1 draw Not sure who scored
Gavin Johnson
42 Posted 28/08/2018 at 20:42:53
Dave,

I'm sure that was the derby where Dunc throws Ince on the floor and the wannabe hardman does nothing except swear a little bit to try and regain some pride. He knew he'd be in bother if he tried to push Dunc around. Pretty sure the clip is still on YouTube.

Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 28/08/2018 at 22:18:23
Gavin (43), yes thanks for that, I was thinking that was the game, when Ince lost his bottle, but wasn't sure.
Ed Prytherch
44 Posted 29/08/2018 at 00:09:06
It is worth watching again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcXdZpdJ6I

Kase Chow
45 Posted 29/08/2018 at 08:30:17
Sandro is a shocking player. Not anywhere near a footballer. Dave (#12) is spot on, the guy is awful.

I didn't realise it has to be specified that as a footballer one needs some balance and to stay on their feet but Sandro rewrites the job description.

Personally I think Sandro makes Barlow and Angell look like Lineker and Beardsley. I really hope we get rid in some shape or form.

Martin Berry
46 Posted 29/08/2018 at 08:49:31
Sandro is a mystery, scored good goals in a tough league prior to coming to Everton, remember Athetico wanted him.

As for the Calvert-Lewin knockers on this thread and Tom Davies on others, give them a break they are still learning their trade against some of the best players on the planet.

Ideally both should have gone out on loan earlier as it's by far the best way for young players to progress.

Victor Yu
47 Posted 29/08/2018 at 08:55:59
We should stop handing out long contracts to youngsters. Garbutt and Galloway stopped progressing as soon as they signed 5-year deals.

Calvert-Lewinwas given a big raise when Arsenal was supposed to be interested. Tom Davis also got a big raise after breaking into the team. Both of them haven't progressed at all after that.

Sometimes young kids just can't handle money at a young age. It stops them from having the same desire before the long contracts.

Paul Mackay
48 Posted 29/08/2018 at 09:07:09
I think many of you are looking back at Madar through rose tinted spectacles. He needed about 20 chances to score a goal. He was crap. He scored a total of 6 times for Everton.
Paul Mackay
49 Posted 29/08/2018 at 09:11:54
Joe-Max Moore

Didn't he score 5 goals in his first 5 games for us and everyone thought we had signed an absolutely worldie. He barely scored again thereafter...

Tony Waring
50 Posted 29/08/2018 at 10:04:53
Anyone remember Alan Biley?
Stephen Williams
51 Posted 29/08/2018 at 12:20:19
Certainly do Tony.

In fact I always hold up Mr Biley (and his debut goal) as an example of why not to get excited by a good debut. He proved that it can all go to shit very quickly (he actually didn't even last a season before he was shipped out!) and the hopes for a new player being good can so easily turn out to be the emperor's new clothes!

Peter Roberts
52 Posted 29/08/2018 at 12:30:41
Paul

You might be right but when those 6 goals proved the difference between relegation and staying up (thank you Bolton Wanderers) then people tend to look favourably upon a player. Let's not forget Gareth Farrelly's worldie against Coventry on the last day of the season — despite the fact he was utter crap!

Kase Chow
53 Posted 29/08/2018 at 17:09:58
Peter (#52),

You're reminding me of some dire Everton teams.

Horrible times to be an Evertonian.

Colin Metcalfe
54 Posted 30/08/2018 at 01:49:33
I had to laugh over the comments on this thread over the last couple of days, sometimes it's hard to take ToffeeWeb seriously when so much bollocks is written about a player. It is quite clear quite a few people on here have never played the game. Well, at a decent level anyways!

So the latest is Silva wants Sandro to stay, hardly surprising for me as he is head and shoulders better than Niasse and Calvert-Lewin and at least one of them should be sold or loaned out before the deadline on Friday not Sandro.

I happened to speak to Sandro about 10 days ago whilst shopping in Tesco's Allerton (I know, it's bizarre but true). I speak fluent Spanish and he told me he would like to stay but the club would have the final say and so I told him that I had seen him play at the Nou Camp for Barcelona. (Yes, for those who don't know he played with the likes of Messi, Busquets, Iniesta etc.) and he was genuinely surprised, nice guy.

I say definitely keep him. I don't know why he has struggled so much in the Premier League although maybe it's the pace compared to La Liga. (Remember Pedro's first season?) But Silva has to play him in his best position and often and I think then we will see the best of Sandro Ramirez.

Paul Mackay
55 Posted 30/08/2018 at 08:48:01
Interesting story, Colin; he played well tonight too.
Jay Harris
56 Posted 30/08/2018 at 08:59:19
He played very well against Rotherham but I thought the deal was with Real Sociedad not Celta Vigo who apparently lost interest (wages?).

Anyway Silva wants him to stay and that's good enough for me.

BTW, all the Calvert-Lewin knockers were put in their place by his performance last night. Head and shoulders above Tosun and Niasse.

Liam Reilly
57 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:22:13
Hope he stays; he needs time and games to adjust to the Premier League, but I still think there's a player in there.

Also, we're not blessed in the striker department, so he'll get chances to impress.

Steve Ferns
58 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:05:45
What is his best position Colin?

He's not a striker. He's poor with his back to goal. As is Richarlison, so please can everyone stop saying he should play in the middle too.

What Sandro is good at is running onto the ball over the top and then turning on goal and taking on a man and getting a shot off. He can't do this down the middle as there is less chance of a perfect ball over the top, as anything overhit can be swept up by the keeper. Therefore, he is better wide with more space to run into. If he's on the left, he can cut inside on his favoured right and shoot. YouTube shows he scored a good percentage of his Malaga goals in this way. That said, on the right flank he has shown he can cross well and therefore create chances.

The issues I see with his game is that he doesn't think fast enough and can get caught in possession or miss the time to pass, that his passing is below par, that his shooting lacks accuracy and power, and that he does not get himself into enough goal scoring opportunities.

I was impressed with Calvert-Lewin last night. I said before the game that this is a big season for him. He has put weight on and bulked up, but then again he actually looked a little bit slimmer last night. Perhaps this was gym work and now he's fit and training hard he's lost a bit of that muscle and bulk?

Anyway, I believe Calvert-Lewin to be one of the best strikers in the league in the air (not saying much these days I know); his hold up play, particularly back to goal is very good (but less so than Tosun); he is faster than Sandro and Tosun, he is taller than both too, he scores headers, he runs the channels the best of the three; he also has neat flicks and tricks (but these can be hit and miss); his touch and control is better than Sandro, but perhaps slightly less than Tosun; he is strong, but lacks the power of the big Turkish Bull (he's only 21 though and has another 3 years or so of "filling out").

The only question I have ever had about Calvert-Lewin is his ability to regularly put the ball in the back of the net. Unlike most of you, I believe he can do it regularly, he can be a 15-20 a season man and can beat the 20 mark a couple of times in his career. This is the standard he had as youth, he scores in big games at Youth level (not least the World Cup final). I don't think that if he is number 9 he has to be the one to score the most goals. Look at Firmino across the park, he plays centrally and Salah and Mane play off him. Sure, he's a fluid false 9 and creates space for them, but it's the same principle of being the focal point for others to play off.

Why can't Calvert-Lewin (or Tosun) play centrally, score 10 goals a season, but have great link up play and create space for others, namely Walcott and Richarlison, who in turn weight in with 15 and 20 goals respectively. If we got 45 goals from the front 3, and a further 15 goals from midfielders, defenders and subs, would we really complain? We're averaging over 2 goals a game and Tosun hasn't scored yet.

David Ellis
59 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:25:09
Yes, Steve & Ian, happy with the way Tosun fits in. I still have high hopes for Calvert-Lewin. He does a lot of things pretty well. He doesn't stand out in any particular area, so that's why he doesn't stand out. But if he can get into goal scoring positions more and improve his finishing, suddenly we'll have a star on our hands. The comparisons with Graeme Sharp at a similar age are apt.
Tommy Carter
60 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:31:38
Calvert-Lewin is a very good prospect. Despite not being completely physically mature yet, he is extremely good in the air. His hold-up play vs Man City away last season was superb and I think a sign of the player he will become.

What I don't think he will be is a prolific goal scorer. He is not an instinctive striker, nor does he possess a good enough shot for him to score goals in this way.

He will, however, be a very important striker at Premier League level. I think of someone currently like Salomon Rondon who has a very good all-round game for a lone striker but just lacks that ability to get amongst the goals.

I see no reason why he can't become a 10-15 goals a season kind of striker, which is what Graham Sharp was for the most part of his career.

Darren Murphy
61 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:46:15
@54 Colin, Amen man, kudos.
Kevin Prytherch
62 Posted 31/08/2018 at 19:08:22
On the Everton website as well Paul.

Two more interesting things...

1) The Under-23s look like they're lining up 4-3-3, similar to the first team (based on the team sheet).

2) Calvert Lewin is officially the fastest player in the Premier League this season.

Steve Ferns
63 Posted 31/08/2018 at 19:20:30
Paul, he signed a new 3-year contract in May of this year, yes before Silva and Brands came in. He'll be 26 when it expires. Explain that one.
Paul Jones
64 Posted 31/08/2018 at 19:27:54
Hi Steve. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Do you think that his 3-year contract means he's still got a future with us? Or are you just saying that he's an unwanted legacy from the last management team?

If he's 23 and still not good enough for the first team squad, then I can't see him making any inroads into it at all.

Steve Ferns
65 Posted 31/08/2018 at 19:32:52
Yes, Paul. I'd say we're stuck with him. I also wanted to highlight the madness of giving him a long contract two months before the new team came in.

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