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Everton plot raid for Leipzig's Augustin

| Monday, 10 December 2018 106comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are looking to sign France U21 international Jean-Kévin Augustin next month in €40m deal according to a report.

France Football suggest that the Blues have made the 21-year-old former Paris St Germain starlet a top target as they look for striking reinforcements in the next transfer window.

Everton have had prior dealings with Leipzig with regard to Ademola Lookman's loan move there last season but they refused to sell the young winger to the Bundesliga club over the summer.

Augustin rose through PSG's ranks and scored 22 times in 38 games for their B team before making the step up to their senior side.

He played 22 times before signing for Leipzig in a €13m, five-year deal last year. He has a record of a goal every three matches in Germany so far.

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Gavin Johnson
1 Posted 11/12/2018 at 00:17:07
Looks decent. We need a young up-and-coming striker with a decent pedigree. I'm not entirely convinced by Bernard and we need to move Richarlison back to the wing. I hope this one has legs...
Robert Leigh
2 Posted 11/12/2018 at 09:34:37
I can't help but feel it will be difficult to negotiate a decent price for him given our Lookman stance. Big yes from me, upgrade on Tosun who looks like he'll be on the way out given his lack of game time and performances when he does play.

Gavin – #1, I share(d) your concerns about Bernard, but looking at some of his play with Digne last night, mainly in the 1st half, reminded me of the Baines - Pienaar combination that was so successful for years. When his fitness is where it should be, he will be a real asset, and different to the pace offered by Richarlison, Lookman and Walcott.

Amit Vithlani
3 Posted 11/12/2018 at 13:13:01
Niasse looked decent on You Tube, so sadly this is probably not a great indicator.

After the experiences with Niasse, Tosun, and Sandro, I am highly cautious of taking foreign punts. €40M for a 20-year old with a 1 in 3 record sounds like a bit of an expensive punt.

If we are going to spend, then I think go bigger for someone with Premier League experience. Arnautovic, Callum Wilson, Batshuayi or, as a temporary measure, Giroud.

The only foreign striker I covet, who I think might come to us if we came with his hefty fee, is Timo Werner.

In all cases, I suspect Brands & Silva may unearth another diamond, tucked away somewhere.

John G Davies
4 Posted 11/12/2018 at 13:32:59
Use Lookman as part of the deal. They squeeze us; we squeeze them.

Lookman, Tosun, Schneiderlin, Niasse out. Jury out on Calvert-Lewin.

Two or three in.

David Pearl
5 Posted 11/12/2018 at 14:04:32
Well, you got your point across, Amit.

Arnautovic is too old and expensive. I think Callum wilson is just flavour of the month.

We just have to trust Brands don't we. Maybe a swap for Lookman and get Deulofeu back.

We've hit a blip right now, as we would in this transition, so now Silva has a point to prove by switching things around a bit.

David Ellis
6 Posted 11/12/2018 at 14:56:51
Actually, Niasse looked rank average on YouTube.

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Tosun isn't quite what we need (and obvious nor is Niasse). I'd let them both go and bring in someone else but whether this lad Augustin is the one to fill Lukaku's shoes is another matter – we'll have to trust M&M (who've got all the transfers spot on so far – quite remarkable).

Callum Wilson is playing well but agree that he may just be flavour of the month. (I remember coveting Jay Rodriguez at one point, and also James Beattie (until we got him) and AJ (until we got him). Also, he's too old for a decent re-sale value (and I think that does matter).

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
7 Posted 11/12/2018 at 15:32:55
So why is the logo on the picture Red Bull Salzburg — which is in Austria — but the guy is said to be playing for RB Leipzig???

Jack Convery
8 Posted 11/12/2018 at 17:07:04
Vardy is who we need, end of. 2 good years from him and we will be a team to be reckoned with. He's a leader and more importantly a winner and team player who hates to lose.
Sam Hoare
9 Posted 11/12/2018 at 17:32:00
Vardy is not the answer. He'll be 32 in a months time and would leave us with another overpaid Premier League player past his best with his main weapon, pace, quickly diminishing.

If we were going to go that route I'd rather Giroud who can actually hold the ball up successfully and link play which we struggle to do. We could use some more muscle in the final third.

Augustin looks a good player, though I'd also look at Pepe from France who is taller and quicker.

I'm not sure we'll be spending big in January. Moshiri's chequebook is not endless.

Kunal Desai
10 Posted 11/12/2018 at 18:17:17
Not being funny but some of these names mentioned are not going to make a difference.

If Everton are to go anywhere (challenge top 6 maybe top 4) they are gonna have to break the transfer record. It may be an outlay of £70/80 million plus for a quality striker in the mould of Icardi or Immobile. Someone of that ilk and probably a sizeable amount of the summer transfer budget.

Mark Murphy
11 Posted 11/12/2018 at 18:37:35
What’s happening with Onyekuru? Is he out of the picture now??
Steve Ferns
12 Posted 11/12/2018 at 18:44:50
No-one has any idea until after Brexit, Mark. No one knows the new system. We can't work out if we can bring him in until it's all sorted out. Meantime, he needs to improve and show he's worthy of a place.
William Gall
13 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:12:14
I know people will not agree with this but, if we are going to leave it until the summer for a big money signing of a striker, why not go for a loan deal till the end of the season?

Andy Carroll with West Ham... He's not as good as he used to be, but he is a better target man than we have and doesn't mind throwing his weight around.

[Tin hat now on...]

Peter Warren
14 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:22:20
Rashford for me.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

15 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:24:17
Forget the tin hat, William.

Burrow yourself into a nuclear bomb bunker!

Brian Williams
16 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:29:30
Stop it, William @13 — you made me almost piss myself laughing!

Andy Carroll!

You're such a hoot!

William Gall
17 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:37:20
Jay, I might have to, considering the comedian in the White House.
Joe McMahon
18 Posted 11/12/2018 at 19:59:16
William – thanks that's cheered me up, belter! Ha Ha love it.
Brian Williams
19 Posted 11/12/2018 at 20:24:10
Here's one that made me chuckle today.

I was in town with my wife doing some Christmas shopping. We went our separate ways and arranged to meet in an hour for coffee. When we met, she said "There's loads of groups of foreign men wandering round town, don't know what language they were speaking."

I explained they'd be Italians from Naples here for the game.

"But, why would they be wearing Liverpool shirts?" she asked.

"Let's go and have a coffee and I'll tell you all about it love."

Brian Wilkinson
20 Posted 11/12/2018 at 21:34:14
William, he could come in handy, pulling a plough at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Give you credit, though: far funnier than the jokes in the Xmas crackers, that one.

Karen Mason
21 Posted 12/12/2018 at 03:34:04
I can't believe I'm reading Giroud as an option, especially on Toffee web where I mostly respect the wisdom.

Giroud as a goal scorer?? His record is hardly remarkable either at Chelsea or Arsenal. He needs to spend less time preening himself & more time on the training pitch.

(Oh and don't forget his wife wouldn't let him come to Everton when we were linked with him last time. She wanted to stay in London!!)

As for the mention of Andy Carroll, well somebody has an excellent sense if humour. It was a joke, right, William?

Justin Doone
22 Posted 12/12/2018 at 07:37:31
There seems to be a split between another young pacey striker or an experienced physical striker.

At this moment in time, unless we can get a top class striker in who's ready to play and do the business now and for the next couple of seasons, then we will not greatly improve.

So wait until the summer. Let Silva earn his corn coaching the younger lads and trying to improve them.

However, if it's a Plan B or C option i.e a target man then a loan for Giroud, Carroll, Deeney or similar would make sense. Age is less of an issue and I'm not bothered about former snubs or clubs — just what's best for Everton.

Derek Knox
23 Posted 12/12/2018 at 10:19:55
To be honest I had not really heard of this lad before so can't assess whether he would be good for us or not, but do admit to being surprised that, where Leipzig are concerned, I would have expected interest in Timo Werner.

Having said that buying any player from abroad in a different League always has a risk element to it, Tosun? I arrest my case m'lud!

Having read all of the posts and suggestions, I do like Peter Warren's punt for Rashford, but whether he could be persuaded is another matter, he has proved it in the Premier League, and with Mourinho chopping and changing, he does seem to be out of favour to a degree.

William Gall @13, has given me the best laugh I have had for ages, I know we are entering the Festive period with all the associated norms but this is one Carroll I hope we won't be singing or signing.

Sam Hoare
24 Posted 12/12/2018 at 11:46:30
Karen Mason @21, Giroud scored 8 goals in 1,600 minutes for Chelsea and France this year, roughly one every two matches. Over his whole career for Chelsea, Arsenal, France and Montpellier, he's scored a goal every 170 minutes. So not really sure what on earth you're talking about when you say he's not a goal scorer?!

Whether his wife would be happy for him to move to Liverpool is a different matter.

Rashford would be great but not a chance, I'd wager.

Strikers who can actually score are very hard to find, especially in January, so I wouldn't hold out much hope of getting a good front man in till next Summer — and, even then, it will be tough.

Nick Parker
25 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:07:19
Nobody is talking about Edin Dzeko on here, and I know he isn't a long-term solution, but he knows the Premier League and has been in fine form for club and country this season.

Much better than Giroud for me but may be difficult as Roma are still in the Champions League.

Brian Wilkinson
26 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:09:41
One who may be available for a lot less than he would have cost last year is Michy Bats. May have to wait until Summer, but could be one of the two strikers we need.
Brian Wilkinson
27 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:14:57
Just read Valencia want to cut short Michy Bats loan spell and send him back in January. Certainly worth bringing the guy to Goodison in January. I would even try a cheeky low bid, just in case he fires the goals in and moves his price back up again.

A loan even is a definite possibility and, like people have said, hard to get a decent striker in, in January, I would certainly take a punt on the guy.

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:27:14
William (13), your idea of getting someone in on loan wasn't a bad suggestion at all, although Andy Carroll wasn't the ideal choice. If we can't sign anybody on a long-term deal in January, then maybe a loan deal will be worth considering, keep us going until the summer.
Fran Mitchell
29 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:33:19
Michy Batshuayi? Has he ever looked any good? I really don't see anything in him that would improve us.

A player who looks decent is Ollie Watkins, probably the best forward in the Championship.

Also someone who impressed my greatly in the Libertadores is Dario Benedetto from Boca, he's 28, bit or a late bloomer but has been in impressive form and scored some blinders along the way.

William Gall
30 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:54:35
The reason I mentioned Andy Carroll's name was in jest going on the players Everton have signed in trying to resurrect ex players from extinction. Happy I got a smile from people instead of nastiness that has crept into ToffeeWeb. Merry Christmas.
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:58:46
Wow, some really strange suggestions here. Carroll out of West Ham's nether regions? Giroud who blew us off? Dzeko who is having the time of his life at Roma (until his current injury) and would never, ever leave there to come to us?

However, Fran #29, Michy did look excellent last year at Dortmund (7 in 10) until he wrecked his ankle. Miserable this season at Valencia. But I like your idea of tapping the Championship, although your choice of Watkins surprises me... he's not even as good as his own teammate Maupay. Grabban at Forest is also having a fine year.

But my favorite punt would be Josef Martinez. Nobody has ever so completely dominated MLS over two seasons as he has. Yeah, it's MLS, but he's pure quality, remarkable finisher, Chicharito times three.

Brian #19, thanks for the morning laugh.

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 12/12/2018 at 14:59:33
William #30, glad you were joking. I was worried about you for a moment there.
William Gall
33 Posted 12/12/2018 at 15:04:37
Mike, being a supporter of Everton since the mid-50s, one thing I definitely get out of it is a sense of humor.
Nick Parker
34 Posted 12/12/2018 at 15:09:36
A friend of mine is a Chelsea fan of many years and tells me Michy is beyond useless and to steer well clear.
Brian Williams
35 Posted 12/12/2018 at 15:24:29
Me thinks you've got away with one there, William, wink wink. ;-)
Jamie Crowley
36 Posted 12/12/2018 at 15:34:16
I know this kid well. I've followed him since the U8s. Bags and bags of skill.

That's a lie, I've seen a 2:18 video on him, and that's all.

If Brands wants him, that's good enough for me.

Sam Hoare
37 Posted 12/12/2018 at 16:00:16
Mike, interesting shout on Martínez, from what I've seen he's certainly very quick and knows where the goal is. But he's quite small as I remember and one thing we lack is a forward who can hold onto the ball for a few moments till support arrives. Against Watford, the likes of Bernard, Walcott and even Richarlson kept getting overpowered with the ball being turned over again and again.

I'd take a good look at Nicholas Pepe at Lille. He's lightning quick but at 6 ft is also a decent size. He's primarily a winger but could play striker I think as his finishing is pretty decent and he has 12 goals in 18 matches this season. He's 23 so no kid but also with his best years ahead of him.

Kieran Kinsella
38 Posted 12/12/2018 at 16:06:58
Jack/Sam etc.

If you're playing Championship Manager, coaching Palace, and assuming the alter ego of Harry Redknapp then Giroud, Dzeko, Vardy, Carroll etc are all great options to get you out of the drop zone. None of these jokers are what we need.

We need to understand that the game has evolved. The old school "striker" is no longer a thing. Chelsea seem to have realized this after spending £80 million on Morata. Successful teams these days have these kind of hybrid winger / forward / attacking mids like Salah, Ronaldo, Messi, Aguerro etc.

The single function man who puts the ball in the back of the net is no longer being produced by clubs. Consequently, when we talk about a striker we have to browse the second-hand section at HMV to find some old school players gathering dust between the LPs and cassette tapes.

Derek Knox
39 Posted 12/12/2018 at 16:09:46
Jamie C, as some posters have already mentioned, Niasse and Tosun have been made to look like Superstars on those YouTube clips, especially if you play a spoof comedic tune to accompany their 'skillset'.

I can go with Mike Gaynes's choice of Josef Martinez as that kid does look good — not on YouTube, but in MLS games, the big question being could he translate that to the Premier League... and would he be interested in coming over?

Just imagine him and Andy Carroll!! 😂

Fran Mitchell
40 Posted 12/12/2018 at 17:20:30
While YouTube clips only show the best bits of a player's game, to say Niasse looked a 'superstar' on his YouTube video is just not true. I distinctly remember watching it and being very unimpressed.
Henrik Lyngsie
41 Posted 12/12/2018 at 17:23:52
Fran 40. And I remember watching Sandro and thought his touch was very poor.
Mike Gaynes
42 Posted 12/12/2018 at 17:54:19
DK #39, I doubt Martinez would want a permanent move -- he's ecstatic in Atlanta and previously failed in Europe -- but he might well be interested in a two-month January loan before the MLS season starts. Like Landon Donovan.

Sam #37, yes, he's small, but he's strong on the ball and has a phenomenal first touch - can turn anybody. MLS is a high-pace, physical league like the Premier League (albeit of much lower technical quality), and I think Martinez would terrorize big, physical defenders with his quickness as he does in MLS.

50 goals in 54 games is brilliant no matter what level you're playing at. This guy would lift us off our seats, and wouldn't that be fun for a change?

Dave Lynch
43 Posted 12/12/2018 at 18:42:15
Andy Carroll.

Hahahahahahahahahahah...oh hang on, I've just realised its Panto season.

"He's behind you...on the treatment table."

Mike Gaynes
44 Posted 12/12/2018 at 19:14:42
Anybody besides me watching the CL game between Real Madrid and CSKA?

Vlasic is playing very, very well against the champions at the Bernabeu.

Marcus Taylor
45 Posted 12/12/2018 at 19:29:24
We don't need Andy Carroll, we've already got the Turkish version!

"While Tosun likens himself to Mario Gómez and Zlatan Ibrahimović, The Times writer Gary Jacob instead found him more similar to the English strikers Kevin Davies and Andy Carroll."

Tosun likens himself to Zlatan. If only...

[Extract from Cenk Tosun's Wikipedia page via The Times]

Mike Gaynes
46 Posted 12/12/2018 at 19:33:40
In fact, Vlasic just beautifully set up the "other" Sigurdsson for CSKA's third goal.

Maybe we have been a bit hasty in writing this kid off.

Brian Wilkinson
47 Posted 12/12/2018 at 19:45:36
I realise we can only have one player on loan from the same club, so in regards to a Michy Bats, we could be in a position to sign the guy, or strike a deal for Zouma, to allow us to sign Bats.

I cannot see Chelsea wanting the player back so a bit of shrewd negotiating and we could take both players off their hands.

Sam Hoare
48 Posted 12/12/2018 at 20:00:50
Mike @46 speak for yourself, I've liked Vlasic since day 1. He's showing what he can do this season with solid runs in a team and he brings goals and assists to the table – unlike our current wide players, even if he is doing it in a weaker team.

And he's just turned 21. The kid could be a star and though it may be that he's not well suited to the Premier League I still think he could be a star. And he's ours. For now.

Steavey Buckley
49 Posted 12/12/2018 at 20:50:26
In the last two games, Everton have been found to be lacking power in midfield and upfront, so, have been out muscled, so, the need for reinforcements. Otherwise, the rest of the season is going to peter out disappointingly.
Derek Knox
50 Posted 12/12/2018 at 21:04:24
Mike @42, funnily enough I was only thinking about Landon Donovan and his time with us, if he could do a similar 2-month loan, it would satisfy a lot of points.

One, we are in need of a goal-scorer; two, it would prove whether he is cut out for the Premier League; and three, if he is a natural and we don't get a striker in the January window, he could just give us that boost to tide us over till the Summer window.

Don Alexander
51 Posted 12/12/2018 at 21:51:43
Augustin is a mere 5'-9" in height and the rumour is we're maybe tabling €40 million for him, a 21-year-old with 13 goals in a career of nearly 60 games.

In 2011, Man City paid €34 million for 23-year-old Aguero, and his record was 97 goals in 230 games in top-flight teams in Argentina and Spain. Hmm.

I know money's gone mental in football since 2011 but do we have a plan to turn Richarlison, Augustin and Lookman into our version of Mane, Salah and Firmino? If so, unlike Liverpool, we're risking way more money than they did for their seasoned finishers.

Hmm.

Tom Bowers
52 Posted 12/12/2018 at 22:00:50
Always difficult to assess these rumours and these young starlets.

Everton have had their share of them for many a season and so many have failed.

Delboy is one that comes to mind and Lookman seems to be another.

I just hope the Everton scouting staff have really done their homework on this lad as we don't need another ''pink elephant''.

They do need a really good offensive player to compliment Richarlison who has proved to have the goal touch but results have suffered because Walcott, Tosun and Calvert-Lewin have not really filled the bill adequately.

I have to say I was impressed with Success of Watford on Monday but then Everton made all the Hornets look good.

Laurie Hartley
53 Posted 12/12/2018 at 22:02:29
Don # 51 - if it's a centre-forward we are after, I agree with you, he is not big enough.

We need a big, mobile, 6'-2" unit who gives us a physical presence up front. Someone who can out muscle Premier League centre-backs.

Laurie Hartley
54 Posted 12/12/2018 at 22:07:50
Tom # 52 - while watching the Watford game, the thought did cross my mind that they produce a lot of good footballers.

I don't know if it's their scouting set up or academy, or a combination of both, but they seem to be able to produce good players on a regular basis.

Alan Bodell
55 Posted 12/12/2018 at 22:44:53
Mark #10, I see Galatasary when they're on my dodgy box to see how he's doing. He's hit and miss, mate, and won’t make it in the near future.

Re Mike Gaynes’s opinion on Martinez, you are spot on, mate. I've seen Atlanta many times this season and he looks the real deal, was at Torino before and didn't cut it but, Christ, he is still a young guy with a killer instinct for a goal.

That fucking Salah and Kevin de Bruyne didn't first time and look what's happened since! And one more thing, get Almiron from Atlanta. With him on a package feal, it'll cost big coin but we've blown so much on others recently that never cut it... just my thoughts.

Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 12/12/2018 at 23:35:21
Alan #55, good shout on Almiron. Great pace for a #10, nice skills, great work rate box-to-box and can finish with the left. Arsenal and Newcastle are in for him already. But I don't think Silva will consider replacing Sigurdsson at this point.
Simon Smith
57 Posted 13/12/2018 at 08:46:27
I don't understand why people would want Batshuayi. Yes, he has Premier League experience... but he was shite. Hence he's out on loan.
Richard Mason
58 Posted 13/12/2018 at 09:32:50
People going on about being out-muscled, the likes of Man City and Chelsea don't have big powerful midfielders, they still go out and beat the teams who are more physical than them.

Everton were just really poor and seemed to run out of ideas

Andy Meighan
59 Posted 13/12/2018 at 10:18:51
Derek @39,

Just imagine him and Andy Carroll. Er... I really don't want to. The thought of that galoot in an Everton shirt frightens the life out of me.

George Cumiskey
60 Posted 13/12/2018 at 10:20:58
Mike @56,

Why don't you think he won't consider replacing Sigurdsson? He is too slow for the type of football Silva and every other team wants to play.

Fran Mitchell
61 Posted 13/12/2018 at 12:44:18
George, Siggy has been one of our best players this season. He scores goals, works hard, links midfield and attack, and whilst he's been off form the last 2 games (with the entire team), he is still one of our most important players.

I don't get these calls for 'big muscular centre-forward' seems that no-one is watching the big teams play, the key is pace, movement, skill, vision. Long gone is the time of the 'big centre-forward'.

Man City have Aguero, Sterling, Sané. Liverpool have Salah, Firmino, Mané. These are the 2 best attacks in the league, and not one of them is 'big, muscular, target man'.

Barcelona have Suarez, Dembele, Messi, Coutinho. Dortmund have Alcacer, Reus, Sancho.... and the list of Europe's best teams goes on like this.

Amit Vithlani
62 Posted 13/12/2018 at 13:34:30
I do miss Eugene Ruane's pithy posts on a thread like this. I am imagining him coming up with something like:

"I just finished my scouting reports on these hidden diamonds, which I mailed to Brands & Silva by second class post (to heighten their anticipation):

1 - Max Velocity (of New York Urban Myths). Supposedly faster than a speeding bullet, although that could be an old housewives tale;

2 - Hertz Van Rental (available on loan). Big unit, capable of carrying a load;

3 - Ivan DaLiga. Highly decorated; but does tend to go on about his league medal.


ITHANGYOU"


Etc...


Amit Vithlani
63 Posted 13/12/2018 at 13:52:06
(continued)

"4 - Manuel Labor (Union Strikers). Tireless/hardworking, but can annoy Refs with his protests.

5 - Vermin Cage: Supposedly a fox in the box "

ITHANGYOU AGAIN...

Simon Smith
64 Posted 13/12/2018 at 14:12:24
Haha, good work, Amit!
Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 13/12/2018 at 15:11:13
George #59, obviously Silva doesn't see him as "too slow", or he'd sit him down.

Fran #60, agree and agree. For the record, of the league's top 10 scorers right now only two fit Laurie's standard of "a big, mobile, 6'-2" unit" (Murray and Mitrovic). I don't care if we get somebody who's the size of a cocker spaniel as long as he puts the ball in the net. Nothing else matters.

Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 13/12/2018 at 15:12:18
Amit, great job of channeling Eugene.

You are definitely on the road to Ruane.

Alan Bodell
67 Posted 13/12/2018 at 16:04:06
Amit and Mike, ha ha, read this 5 mins. ago and still laughing. I'm sure plenty on here miss Eugene Ruane.
Eddie Dunn
68 Posted 13/12/2018 at 16:57:32
Lads you can keep up with Eugene on twitter, some footy stuff amongst the politics - he hasn't lost his mojo.
Alan Bodell
69 Posted 13/12/2018 at 17:15:49
I'm not on Twitter, Eddie, but just checked him out on Facebook and he has loads of funny stuff there, not too much footy stuff though.
Derek Knox
70 Posted 13/12/2018 at 18:35:57
Yes Mike @65, they say the " road to Ruane was paved with good inventions" well in, Amit keep it going!
John G Davies
71 Posted 13/12/2018 at 18:44:43
Eugene is a comedic genius. The only one I have ever read on ToffeeWeb who warrants the tag.
The sooner he is back the better.
Laurie Hartley
72 Posted 13/12/2018 at 20:37:50
Mike & Fran – fair comments about other teams strike forces but my opinion, and that is all it is, is based on the make up of our current squad. I believe the missing link for this team is a physical presence up front.

For example, let me give you a mental picture of what I am on about. This would involve Richarlison moving back out left and two out of three of Bernard, Lookman, and Walcott being benched. Same set up as now:

Pickford
Coleman, Keane, Mina, Digne
Gomes, Gueye, Sigurdsson,
Walcott, Lukaku*, Richarlison

* He is just an example, I don't want him back for the same reason Ray Roche convinced me that Balotelli was not a good idea. Bad for team spirit.

That would leave Silva with lots of options off the bench.

By the way, there is a big mobile unit who is not in the top ten scorers in the league at the moment but would slot into this squad seamlessly and would soon get among the goals with these players around him. He scored against us the other night and works like a Trojan for the team. Currently on loan to Newcastle – Carlos Rondon. I reckon he is better than Murray or Mitrovic.

I am sure Silva and Brands are looking for a striker so it will be interesting what type of player he brings in. It may well be it turns out to be Augustin and if so and he gets amongst the goals I will bring this thread out of my "you told me so" folder next year.


Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 13/12/2018 at 20:54:59
Laurie, I'd have Lukaku back in a microsecond. Never bought the "team spirit" argument at all.

Re strikers, your reckoning doesn't stand up to some cold hard facts. Salomon Rondon has averaged a goal every four appearances in the Prem (over 100 games). Murray averages better than one every three games, and so far in his young career Mitrovic is one for every two. Rondon may have the size and the work rate, but he doesn't come close to measuring up for performance.

Rob Halligan
74 Posted 13/12/2018 at 21:20:09
Mike, I was told on Monday night from two separate sources that Everton are considering trying to bring Lukaku back to the club. Highly unlikely, I know, considering the wage he's on at United etc, but like you I'd have him back in a flash.
Laurie Hartley
75 Posted 13/12/2018 at 21:31:16
Mike – if Everton brought Lukaku back I would consider cancelling my Optus sports package. You see team spirit to me makes all the difference in the world. Remember what Ray Roche said to on this subject and King Herod the other day and my response.

Interestingly Lukaku is scoring 1 in every 2.5 games in the premier league this season and I think he went about 8 or 9 games without scoring until the other day. I reckon his conversion rate would have been better if he had been playing for us this season. But I still don't want him back. It takes a lot for an Everton player to loose me, but when they do that's it.

Regarding Rondon – my assertion is that if you put him amongst this group of players his goal scoring stats would increase exponentially and so would the rest of the teams. I think he is underrated.

Eddie Dunn
76 Posted 13/12/2018 at 21:58:33
Laurie, I agree. I don't want Lukaku near our club, he was always looking out for a better destination and even though others might feel the same, they don't broadcast it.

I like Rondon and Mitrovic but even Deeney would be a step up from what we have now.

Jamie Crowley
77 Posted 13/12/2018 at 22:50:34
I have to agree with Laurie.

I loved Lukaku when he was here. But he drove me mad with his switching off and lack of effort at times.

I'd not have him back. I trust Brands to find a striker who will fit in the system. Marco demands strikers actually run and close down, break with speed, etc. Lukaku would do it for three games or so, then revert to type.

I think Romelu is the best striker in the world - yes, in the entire world - when he is battling for a ball 1 v 1 getting through to the opposing keeper. He is an absolute beast; a tank of a man.

But he just doesn't do the rest of it well enough, if you know what I mean. And he absolutely switches off, and can chuck his toys out of the pram.

We may be in a gully right now, but I'd argue our chemistry is superb. You don't see players barking at one another. They all work for one another. Rom would come, put in a half-assed effort at some point, and the whirlwind of shit would start swirling.

As I said previously, if Brands thinks this Augustin kid is good enough, I trust Marcel.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 13/12/2018 at 22:56:35
Rob, wow, that's fascinating news. What a coup that would be against that effing United. Can't imagine Rom being willing, but if he is... again, wow. I'd be delighted.

Laurie, I consider that "team spirit" accusation against Rom to be 100% fiction. He may have sown discontent among some of the supporters, but there was never an iota of evidence he created any in the changing room. On the contrary, by all accounts he was quite popular with his teammates. And Eddie, it never bothered me one bit that he was so openly ambitious.

Mike Gaynes
79 Posted 13/12/2018 at 23:04:10
Jamie, for me the joy he created with his goals far outstripped any frustrations with his occastional switching off. Never concerned me. He wasn't just far and away our best goalscorer in decades, he was also our best passing forward in decades. He made everybody better around him because of the attention he attracted. And he had moments of genius nobody else could touch (see Chelsea).

"Revert to type"? As in a goal every two games and an assist every five? I'd be ecstatic.

Jamie Crowley
80 Posted 13/12/2018 at 23:23:35
Mike -

I'll give you this. If Brands brings back Rom, I'm behind it. I'm putting my faith in Marcel Brands to bring in the type of player that will fit in with the team and fit in with the system.

If Brands thinks Rom is that man, then I'll get behind him 100%.

But were it me, I'd not bring him back. His fits of laziness will not work in the Silva system.

No matter how many goals per game his stats show.

We need to find a young, energetic, aggressive striker who will get 1 in 2 in our system, not retro-fit a 1 in 2 into our system.

That's my opinion.

Derek Thomas
81 Posted 13/12/2018 at 23:45:13
Jamie; I see Rom has had words with Mourinho and others about losing muscle mass... makes you wonder whose idea it was in the first place, maybe the penny has dropped. Maybe he's seen the light and found it doesn't shine from Pogba's arse, one bad influence on the whole team and Lukaku in particular, that fella.

I doubt enough “Road to Damascus” light of inner knowledge has got in his head to let him contemplated returning... even if M&M wanted him.

If he started rehab tomorrow, it would take months to get him back (if you could at all) to the early beast with the dreads we signed.

Laurie Hartley
82 Posted 13/12/2018 at 00:53:00
Mike,

"He may have sown discontent among some of the supporters, but there was never an iota of evidence he created any in the changing room."

True, although that "some" appeared to me to be a significant portion of the fan base if I take the comments on ToffeeWeb as an indicator.

As far as the dressing room is concerned, I wouldn't expect any Everton player to come our publicly and criticize another member of the team. Would it be reasonable to think, though, that deep down his attitude had the same effect on at least some of the players that it had on me?

It is of course possible I am just getting cantankerous as I get older but Stones, and Barkley, both of whom were favourites of mine, had the same effect on me. The first time I felt like that was Lescott.

No, my view is that sort of "want-away" stance is bad for the team and I certainly don't like it.

It could be though that you are right about team spirit and that it doesn't count for anything. If that was the case, I would take Mario before Romelu all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbhu3caBTM8

Frank McGregor
83 Posted 14/12/2018 at 01:01:12
The idea of bringing back Lukaku to Everton is nonsense; an overrated and poor club man.

Alex Young and Dave Hickson are the type of player Everton need now.

Jamie Crowley
84 Posted 14/12/2018 at 01:55:42
Derek @79 -

My God that early beast with the dreds was something.

I remember being so excited, so thrilled we signed him. I thought Martinez was a genius.

It may have proven a false dawn, but that year with Barry, McCarthy, and Rom signing, and Martinez shitting gold bars was the best I've had.

And Rom was a god.

Derek Knox
85 Posted 14/12/2018 at 02:44:52
I see all the calls for getting the old Lukaku back, but his head has been turned by the filthy lucre, and hypothetically, if he did come back, would...
Derek Knox
86 Posted 14/12/2018 at 02:51:05
Sorry! That post went prematurely, but I was about to add, that I can't recall any player, or Manager coming back to a Club, where his reputation and meteoric rise to allegedly better things, has proved a success.

I know I shouldn't mention money. (I've already slapped the back of my own legs...)

Derek Knox
87 Posted 14/12/2018 at 02:54:03
Sorry again I think I have an issue with my PC, every time I scroll down, or try to, it posts early!
Paul Kelly
88 Posted 14/12/2018 at 04:42:19
Rom, back here? Wow.

I'm With Jamie,(@79) point of view, if Simba (Marcel Brands) says so, then yes, if not, no.

Mike Gaynes
89 Posted 14/12/2018 at 04:46:19
DK, at our age we all have occasional problems with... prematureness.
Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 14/12/2018 at 04:59:23
Laurie #81, I have learned that TW's membership is not necessarily typical of the overall Everton fan base. I can think of multiple situations where a player regularly slagged here was overwhelmingly cheered at Goodison. Experts will tell you that folks with negative opinions are drawn to chat boards (political, celebrity, sports, whatever), and so posts on them are not necessarily representative of a larger public consensus.

As to whether Rom had the same effect on his mates as he had on some of the fans, I would say that's highly doubtful. We never met the man, let alone practiced with him every day and played with him in front of 30,000 people. We speculate wildly based on perceived "body language" at TV distance (which always makes me laugh) while they know him as a human being. And if there had been problems in the changing room, they would have come out sooner or later. Instead, everything we heard from his mates was positive. I cannot recall seeing a single negative remark from any of them.

So, in my opinion, no, it's not reasonable.

Stephen Jones
91 Posted 14/12/2018 at 05:29:24
As the shout for Carroll gathers pace (hehe) he would certainly end our goal drought from corners (Mina?). He can also hold a ball up – when he's not injured, of course. Seriously, a decent stop-gap.
Drew O'Neall
92 Posted 14/12/2018 at 05:57:31
Well said, Mike @ 89.

That health warning should at the top of every thread.

Laurie Hartley
93 Posted 14/12/2018 at 06:59:05
Mike # 89,

Yes some players have been slagged on here and cheered at Goodison but I can assure you that is not my style. For me to get a downer on an Everton player he has to earn it.

For example, Fellaini – I really rated him but, when he turned his back on his team mates at Goodison during a game and threw his hands up in the air, that was the beginning of the end for me.

I am still trying to get my head round this part of your post though:-

"Experts will tell you that folks with negative opinions are drawn to chat boards."

Let me say, I am wary of experts especially when it comes to categorizing people into groups. I prefer to make my own mind up but I can be persuaded to change my mind.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread a regular TWr persuaded me that Mario was not a good idea. I don't feel the need to be right on football matters but Lukaku back – not for this Evertonian. Never not no how.

Mike Gaynes
94 Posted 14/12/2018 at 15:19:00
Laurie #92, your Fellaini anecdote is exactly what I'm talking about. You say Fellaini "earned" your permanent enmity when he "turned his back on his team mates at Goodison during a game and threw his hands up in the air" . That's an incident I have no memory of, and I certainly wouldn't have so dramatically altered my opinion of a player based on that one moment.

It certainly didn't alter his teammates' opinions, based on how warmly they greeted him the first time Utd played us after the transfer. (And he must still have felt warmly about us, generously gifting us that point a few years later!) And teammates continue to sing his praises to this day, even as fans remain skeptical: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/sports/marouane-fellaini-manchester-united.html.

Dismissing a player in your own club because of one non-obscene gesture? Sorry, I just don't understand that.

But I am glad someone here changed your mind about Balotelli.

Laurie Hartley
95 Posted 14/12/2018 at 21:34:04
Mike #93 - I couldn't follow your link because it was broken but I will take your word for it that he is still popular with our players.

Fellaini did do that though and the crowd reacted to it accordindgly. Nevertheless your right in saying I shouldn't have judged him on one incident.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

96 Posted 14/12/2018 at 21:52:26
The Fellaini incident Laurie refers to was, I am sure, in the 3-0 tanking Wigan handed out to us in the quarter-final of the FA Cup - Captain Pip's last ever game for the Blues. His last ever as a professional footballer, in fact.

It should have been a 'bye' for us and a real shot at the cup that year.

As it was, it was all over by half-time with Wigan scoring 3 goals in 4 manic minutes. Martinez managed the double that season - lifting the FA Cup and relegation - and as a result landed the Everton gig.

Fellaini threw a strop about some misplaced pass and - shockingly - did as Laurie describes: turned his back on the play with the ball still in play, in his proximity, waving an angry arm.

The Goodison crowd gave him what for and both Neville and the mop-topped Belgian were replaced at half-time.

And - sorry Laurie! - I have to side with Mike here. There has never been any evidence that Lukaku was a rotten egg at the club, but plenty of complimentary comments about his conduct and professionalism and popularity with other players.

Nor have I ever been one to claim the ability to read a player or manager's 'body language' live at the game, or on the telly.

I cannot think of a single Everton player who has 'offended' me so much that I determined to 'withdraw' my support for them. Not one.

Peter Gorman
97 Posted 14/12/2018 at 22:07:14
Jay, I also doubt that Lukaku was unpopular in the dressing room, after all he is an affable young man with an admirable drive for personal development. However, it all comes down to those frequent media outbursts that he was, essentially, bigger and better than the club. It may or may not have well-received by his teammates, it certainly wasn't by the fans.

Alan Bodell
98 Posted 14/12/2018 at 22:40:00
Working offshore on the oil fields a gnarly old Texan foreman of mine told me to never expect hard graft from anyone who's arse is wider than his shoulders and that is Lukaku summed up in one.
Add to that his arms pointing, get more exercise than his legs in 90 mins., best business we ever done getting rid of him.
Brian Williams
99 Posted 14/12/2018 at 23:45:35
Jeez how naive can people be?
Which player will come out and say "yeh that Lukaku was a total c**t."
They all tow the line and make the right noises and anyone who doesn't understand that needs help ffs.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

100 Posted 14/12/2018 at 23:48:52
I know you were always among those troubled by Lukaku's declarations, Peter.

I was among those who never was. Rather, I was happy to hear such self-belief and ambition from an Everton player. A pity that he was never going to realise his ambitions at Everton, due to conditions we are all familiar with.

Lukaku, John Stones, Barkley and Deulofeu were not added to at the right time. Under the right management and with the right investment they would have been a wonderful young, talented and ambitious core to build a team around.

And Alan, why am I not surprised that your anecdote counts as 'wisdom' in your world..?

Brian, that's gibberish. But you're welcome to that view.

Neil Wood
101 Posted 14/12/2018 at 23:52:52
Balotelli... Simple. I will keep saying it until someone listens! Ha!!!
Amit Vithlani
102 Posted 15/12/2018 at 07:55:57
"Working offshore on the oil fields, a gnarly old Texan foreman of mine told me to never expect hard graft from anyone who's arse is wider than his shoulders."


Never heard this one before.

The one I did hear was:

"never expect sense from anyone whose arse doubles as their brain".

Don Alexander
103 Posted 15/12/2018 at 08:33:47
Lukaku has been publicly criticized by several managers in effect when they've dropped or hooked him. In the last World Cup, Eden Hazard publicly took him to task for lack of heart, and even lil' ol' humble "I just wanna work to get better" Lukaku admitted it.

Still, there not being any evidence of an Everyone player calling him out (Williams aside in one match), let's all give his lackadaisical performance a huge round of applause, eh? That's the sort of attitude that'll get us to the top!

Laurie Hartley
104 Posted 15/12/2018 at 10:10:09
Don # 103 - thank you for your input but I would like to put it another way.

Lukaku can fuck off and anyone who would take him back can fuck off to.

I know this is not very refined of me but hey – I feel so much better now. Reminds me of when I was young.

Up the Blues.

Steve Foster
105 Posted 19/12/2018 at 13:58:30
Higuian maybe?

Seem to recall he has not settled. That would be a real signing.

But all pipe dreams. I am 100% confident Brands has this all in hand.

Mike Keating
106 Posted 20/12/2018 at 19:12:58
Laurie,

I agree 100%. Lukaku couldn't wait to get away and, when we needed him to get us into a Cup Final, (against Palace) he fucked up.

He would be toxic in the dressing room.

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