Branthwaite joins PSV on loan

If he succeeds, he'll return to us in a year as a well-prepared professional capable of becoming a mainstay in our backline.

Good luck, Jarrad, and for heavens sake stay healthy!

Take better care of him than Moise Kean, Mr Brands!

Much better than 30 games for Blackburn or about 3 games for us if older players are injured.

Good luck, Jarrad.

I'm concerned however now that we are soley reliant on Tarkowski and Mina being fit (please don't laugh), otherwise we'll be left with the same group of centre halves that for most of last season were spunk awful.

Big changes at Everton? I don't think so. Wake up!

We've moved on a lad who will probably move on as soon as he's good enough. If you're good enough, you're old enough to play.

How many 20-year-olds do you see starting at center-back in this league? Maybe up front or on the wing, but not center-back.

No matter how good you are, you still need experience to succeed at the core of a Premier League defense. He's played 13 games.

I'm with you, mate This lad could be the business. Centre-backs need time to mature. Look at Godfrey – he's still maturing and should really be the one who's looking to cement his place in the starting line-up.

Jarrad is a year or two behind. Let him make mistakes and learn a bit more playing for PSV – hopefully playing a possession-based style that Frank ultimately wants to deploy – then comes back more rounded and ready to start for us. I think Tarkowski will have few years left in him.. but Ben and Jarrad are the long term...

He is Everton imbodied over the last 5 years – crap. Move him on, and get players that will improve. He's had his chance, and he's proved to be the rag doll that Lukuku schooled him before we even bought him. This club has not only scouted a duffer, we even extended his contract...

With Mina, Tarkowski, Godfrey, I would have kept Branthwaite. He's not necessarily a starter, but he's a player that's on the up – whereas Keane & Holgate aren't.

Keane & Holgate are the two who should go. Keane has been treading water for years now. Holgate is a liability for someone so young. He has played a lot of games for us, I don't see any improvement over the years.

But I think Jarrad will be a better player next year for playing for PSV, hopefully playing a lot of games instead of a handful for us.

John Stones wasn't much older when he emerged at Everton. Ferdinand at West Ham, 18. John Terry was 20 at Chelsea. Plenty of others out there.

If you're good enough, you're old enough.

Are we not blooding him because his mistake will cost us a trophy? Or just is it easy to go with the same 'experience', that still make mistakes.

Blood the kids. Some will make it, some will move on. But at least you're a club moving forward, and any young hungry player will want to join you. Or just stay as a retirement home for former footballers who couldn't give a fuck!

3 weeks away is the start of the season, and we are still behind last season player-wise 🤮.

My problem with him is in his head. His concentration is woeful and he doesnt have the mentality for a fight as his head often goes down.

However, our need is defensive midfielder, not a centre-back, and Mina would be the first name on the exit sheet for me as he only manages a handful of games every season — and most of them are for Colombia.

This could be a fantastic experience in his footballing development and hopefully one that benefits Everton in the long term.

Coached under Van Nistelrooy??

Young Gibson, another left-sided centre-back, is also going out on loan. He has had a terrible time with injuries but he did look a classy player and clearly has potential if he can remain injury-free.

The kid needs to play, every game. It's obviously Frank and Kevin's judgement that he's not yet ready to move ahead of Keane and Holgate into the regular rotation. When he comes back after fighting for a league title and playing a half-dozen games in the Champion's League, he'll make them both irrelevant. Plenty of time to move them on then.

Godfrey's development stopped dead last season due to Covid and injuries. He and Jarrad are the future. Got to get them both matured and ready.

I don't think you can write off the up side to any player, when you carry on with the same failures Mike.

But insanity is trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different outcome - and I am afraid we have been stuck in the same rut. Just losing our better player each year - Stones, Lukuku, Gana, Richarlison. Whilst players like Keane have ended with how many managers being sacked?

Youth surprises you if it is given a chance. Mbappe, Halland, Bellingham, de Ligt, de Jong, all central, all recent, all good enough.

Get rid of Keane & Holgate. Save yourself £100k a week in wages = £5m wages and £15-20M in transfer fees. Plus the £10M they'll cost to sack Frank and Co.

I'd rather have Branthwaite and £25M available to spend on a player that will take us forward not relegate us.

Gbamin is shite as well, Mike. His legs are made of toast crusts.

Yes, I think the lad will likely benefit from playing for a top Dutch club.

But I think we need to have him around in 2022-23. This lad is an exceptional talent.

We haven't got the squad depth to let a player of his quality leave.

I'd have him ahead of Mina any day. Notably, they are a similar build, but I reckon Branthwaite is cooler. A more intelligent footballer.

Too many times, I have seen Mina decide he should start an argument with the striker he is marking. Trying to put the opponent off his game, but too often he seems to lose his own concentration.

And how many goals does Mina score, although he is often going up for corners? Six, I think, in the last four seasons. Not one in the league last season.

Remember Branthwaite's equaliser against Chelsea? What a crucial goal.

If he devotes himself to his football, this lad is a future England International. But sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if we have seen the last of him in an Everton shirt.

#27, Paul, I feel exactly the same. But I can see it all happening again...

29, Tony, I drafted all that a little earlier. Just seen your comment. Yep, if he plays in the Champions League, he's well and truly in the shop window.

Frank Lampard actually turned a useless Iwobi into a decent #10 and somehow managed to make Hacker Holgate play five really good games in a row when it mattered most. These were miracles of Biblical proportions.

I'd say Frank has some credibility built up at this point. If he thinks that what Jarrad and his 13 games experience needs most is this loan, that's good enough for me.

Frank also obviously disagrees with you about Gbamin. Maybe he does medical miracles as well.

This might turn out to be a good move, but this obviously depends on how the players who are still here perform next season.

I can't see why he would want to return to Everton for next season. Too many clubs will be watching him.

Teams like Fulham, Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth will go into the new season in the
Premier League with players who have not the same experience as Branthwaite. Yet, all I ever read about is Everton fans wanting Branthwaite to go out on loan to gain more experience.

They've got their wish with him being loaned out to the Dutch League, but not as grueling or as trough as the Premier League.

If Branthwaite rises to the challenge of being abroad and manages to get 25+ starts this season then I suspect this loan is going to be a very good step in the development of a young player with huge potential. If he becomes good enough to be a regular starter for us, or even considered good enough to be a regular starter for a “bigger” club than us, then it is all upside for Everton Football Club for a young player who only cost us £1 million. His time will come.

I really hope he does because he's a John Terry type defender for me.
The only way he will improve is by playing regularly. The talent is there.

The more games he plays, the more consistency he will show. He's too good for the reserves and I thought he'd be ahead of Keane and Holgate to partner Mina, Godfrey or Tarkowski in the centre.

Again, PSV is an ideal situation for the kid. He's playing for the DOF who bought him for us, and a manager who was known as one of the wiliest players in the world.

Bernie #35, he'll be back... he's under contract to us for three more years.

Let's assume that the club's finances means we might prefer to at least get some financial benefit from a great prospect at the same time as improving him, as long as it doesn't put us in a dire situation on the playing front.

Assuming those things might just get us to this loan deal.

Our team isn't anymore depleted in defence than it was last season, in fact we have already strengthened by bringing in Tarkowski (Kenny was never going to claim a permanent role).

If the likes of Godfrey, Mykolenko, Patterson and Nkounkou can find form /and mature, then we potentially have great mobility which, in and of itself, is a very useful asset.

12 months ago, the priority was defensive midfield more than central defence, and I'd say it still is.

Playing Champions League football, along with competing for the League Title at a decent European League (which would help improving his in-game composure because every game will be critical, especially against a juggernaut like Ajax).

Not to mention living abroad for the first time in his young life under the careful and professional eyes of a certain Mr Brands. That is a god-send move for him on & off the field.

(Quick tangent: Jonjoe Kenny loved his time at the continent so much that he returned there the minute we waived him.)

40 starts with Blackburn in the rough jungle that is Championship Football would help making Jarrad's bones and progressing him towards his floor as a player (a decent Premier League defender), but this move could improve his ceiling as a player (hopefully from an above-average Premier League defender into a 3 Lions' Starter at a World Cup Game).

Obviously I have never seen Branthwaite except on television. You didn't disagree that he is better than either Holgate or Keane.

I never said that we have a more depleted defence compared to last season. What I am saying is that Everton have a more depleted squad of players compared to other clubs, in my opinion.

Why should we allow decent players to go out on loan when he could remain and train (and play) with the first team?

I would much rather sell Holgate and Keane. It would upset me if, after his loan, he decides he prefers European football and is transferred for 'megabucks' despite his contract with us.

Just turned 20 and going out on loan to Brands, who signed him for us.

The kid works hard and stays healthy, should see plenty of game time.

If he's on the bench, he may as well be on our bench. If he is good enough for PSV, then surely he's at least as good as players we will be using, eg, Holgate and Keane.

Took the words out of my mouth, mate. How can he be not good enough for us but good enough to play Champions League football with PSV?

Good points, my thought is that both the Dutch League and The Champions League are inferior quality to the Premier League.

He can only benefit from this experience in my opinion. Reading between the lines and making assumptions, I guess Lampard and Thelwell think this will be best for him at this stage of his career. Good spot on the Brands link James; that explains it even more.

I kept getting told, probably 2 years ago now, that centre back wasn't a priority when I got excited about the prospect of Koulbaly joining Ancelotti.

Won't happen, didn't happen. We do have the makings of a young defence with plenty of potential. We are well stocked in this area:

Coleman, Patterson, Mykolenko, Godfrey, Keane, Mina, Tarkowski.

Seven players to rotate between 3 or 4 positions depending on the formation.

So it seems the focus was to get Branthwaite in a place where he gets game time.

Hopefully Tarkowski will give us that leadership we need but I still concern about our ability to play on the front foot. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

So I'll concede, a holding midfielder who can play is the priority. I don't like to call them defensive because that tells me we sit and defend. A player who can protect the defence, allow the other midfielders to roam and plunder and who can pick a pass once the ball is recycled.

As I've already said, this will be a great opportunity for him and he potentially gets to play at the highest level of European football.

Just come back to Everton with that experience!!

I would have personally preferred to have moved on Mina and/or Keane and kept him here, but that's unlikely without any takers. I actually believe that if none come in, we'll see a much more robust and available Mina and a more determined Keane.

Also, can't see Holgate or Godfrey lying down and seeing their careers blow out…..so the competition for 1-2 places alongside Tarkowski will be fierce. Add in an emerging Reece Welch to that too (albeit hopefully a loan out too if nobody comes in for the others).

So, all waffle aside, I too reckon we're “good” at centre-back for now. We need competition for Dom and a midfield general who can pass and tackle, please.

I like Mina, so now it looks like he's staying, I hope we can keep him fit and motivate him. He certainly seems to be a character in the dressing room and is arguably our best centre-back.

Keane; I'm well documented so won't go there.

To your point though, we probably couldn't offload either. Mina for his injury track record and Keane. Well, because he is what he is. Again, I won't go there.

I like your point about Brands. Probably now being allowed to do his job. Meanwhile, our current DoF has just been publicly informed that he will be "assisted" in transfer matters.

Guess our only hope is that Thelwell and Lampard have grouped together and identified players, and Bill is simply setting up the meeting, organising the coffee and sandwiches (from anywhere other than Greggs) and providing some phone numbers to get it moving.

Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

A young big strong talented player is going to learn to play football.

Win-Win.

Armondo Obispo (23) - 1055 minutes

André Ramalhon (30) - 1694 minutes

Derrick Luckassen (27) - on loan from PSV the last 4 years. Last season at Fatih Karagümrük, where he made 20 appearances.

Olivier Boscagli (25) - 2357 minutes

Ki-Jana Hoever (20) - Wolves player. Like Jarrad, just signed on loan to PSV.

Too bad for him, but leaves an opening for Jarrad to work his way into the line-up.

They have just had a tough draw in the 3rd preliminary round of the Champions League.
I do hope they progress, as this will be to the benefit of Jarrad.
How many of our current players have European experience?