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Brian Williams
1 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:36:12
Multiple reports that Man Utd have agreed personal terms with Branthwaite.

If true how the fuck can they do that before reaching agreement with the club over the transfer fee?

So wrong, again if true, when a player is under contract to a club.

Tommy Carter
2 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:37:24
Not a bad fee for a player Dyche considered inferior to Michael Keane just 9 months ago.
Roger Helm
3 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:45:33
He could do a lot better than Man Utd.

I would rather take the points deduction resulting from an overspend than sell him just to balance the books.

Gavin Johnson
4 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:51:10
£70M is very low considering Carlisle are due 10%... We should be asking for someone like Diallo and £70M to make up Branthwaite's true worth.

I'd rather take a 3-point deduction and keep him for another season rather than sell on the cheap.

Barry Shearer
5 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:51:37
This is a player we should not be losing.

I also fear for him. He won't have Tarkowski with him who he has learned a lot from and might not have that same rapport whomever is with him at Man Utd.

£70M is an insult as well. Hope there is a sell-on clause. We'd better not be getting Maguire.

Kunal Desai
6 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:53:24
I imagine this deal will be done before 30 June and we'll get shafted on the terms due to being desperate to comply with PSR, together with the ownership all up in the air.

Shame we could not keep him for another season.

Ian Wilkins
7 Posted 13/06/2024 at 22:55:21
It is so frustrating that PSR forces us to sell our best players at discounted prices, it makes it harder to meet PSR requirements, has us going round in circles, and we can't move forwards.

How many points is Jarrad Branthwaite worth? Should we take a 3-point deduction? And call me old fashioned but agree the fee before the player agrees terms. Yes, we have a 30 June deadline, but it just weakens our negotiating position.

Ryan Holroyd
8 Posted 13/06/2024 at 23:11:05
The Bill Kenwright legacy.

Keep Jarrad Branthwaite and take the points deduction.

Gavin Johnson
9 Posted 13/06/2024 at 23:37:52
Based on how many media outlets are reporting it, it seems Branthwaite is going and we'll be lucky to get £70M.

I thought we owed Carlisle 10% of the fee, but the Daily Mirror are saying it's 15% which makes £70M (or less) absolutely derisory for a player of Branthwaite's ability and potential.

Let's hope another club come in for him and price Man Utd out of the deal.

Dan Parker
10 Posted 13/06/2024 at 23:47:44
As with Rooney, nowhere near enough given he's a full decade or so ahead of him.

Pathetic if we let Ratcliffe get away with a lowball offer.

Jamie Sweet
11 Posted 14/06/2024 at 00:21:19
Yeah, keep Jarrad, take the points deduction.

In the end, they could have taken 20 points off of us this season and we would have survived (that's amazing when you think about it, isn't it?!).

Admittedly that was down to how terrible the Bottom 3 were though. Safety might be up around the 40-point mark again next season.

Nick Page
12 Posted 14/06/2024 at 00:40:32
If Branthwaite is worth (at least) 6 points a season, the 3 we'll get for the PSR shite is irrelevant.

Can these twats even do basic maths? The worst bit is, the useless cunts will spew the money on a load of garbage, as per usual. They literally can't wait to sell, this lot.

Keep him for one more season – his value isn't going to decline at such a young age. Absolutely maddening. Still the worst run club in English football, by a fucking mile.

Mal van Schaick
13 Posted 14/06/2024 at 04:50:01
Do not sell Branthwaite. Keep him, and borrow even more to keep him. We will hopefully have new prosperous owners at the club soon. We have a new stadium coming into effect in 2025-26 season and Everton as a club will be on the up. Keep the better, youthful and experienced players, ditch the dross and hand on in there.

Last season, we more than survived, and proved how invaluable it is to have a group who are together and fighting for us. A lot of those players can improve us again, and by adding a few more decent players to them, next season could be an even better one.

Do a Man City. Do whatever it takes to avoid the grasp of Masters and the Premier League, regarding financial rules, until such times we are solvent with new owners.

Tommy Carter
14 Posted 14/06/2024 at 06:20:15
Not a bad fee for a player Dyche considered inferior to Michael Keane just 9 months ago.
Denis Richardson
15 Posted 14/06/2024 at 07:14:34
To be fair, £70M is a big fee. I realise how good he is and he's likely to get better but, given our predicament, we have little choice. There doesn't seem to be anyone interested in Onana for a big fee, nor Calvert-Lewin.

The club sale won't help with PSR and failing to comply this year would probably cause an issue with the sale as we'd be looking at another points deduction. The bottom 3 next year will likely not be anywhere near as bad as last season.

I just hope that it's £70M cash and Maguire is nowhere near the deal. Man Utd have loads of players they want out – please just take cash.

John Keating
16 Posted 14/06/2024 at 07:15:43
I agree with others regarding taking a points deduction to keep him.

However, if the Club are of a mind to sell, it appears they've put an £80M price tag on him. He shouldn't go for a penny less.

None of this, so much if he plays so many games, so much if he wins a league or cup etc.

£80M as a fee plus add-ons.

Kevin Prytherch
17 Posted 14/06/2024 at 07:57:33
If they're bidding £70M now, we should hold out. There'll be others interested either before 30 June or before the end of the transfer window.

Although, as others have said – I'd rather take the hit on the points

Robert Tressell
18 Posted 14/06/2024 at 08:06:54
Very unrealistic comments about choosing to take a points deduction instead of selling.

After the situation this season, any blatant and deliberate breach is likely to result in very serious sanctions – much worse than this year (and indeed we might get points deductions this year anyway due to our ongoing financial situation).

Otherwise, the message would be that the Premier League rules do not really apply anymore and you can do what you like.

So maybe 15 points? 20 points? And a continued toxic relationship with the Premier League. We obviously won't do that and nor would any other club in our situation.

It isn't a sign of ongoing incompetence at the club – it's a legacy of previous incompetence biting us on the arse.

Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 14/06/2024 at 08:14:02
We don't care that you have been mismanaged to death and have been in a relegation battle during the last few years. We showed you this last season when we gave you two points deductions even though our sanctions had already weakened your playing squad.

It's simple really: sell one of your best players cheaply by 30 June or get another points deduction. PSR in a nutshell.

Rob Jones
20 Posted 14/06/2024 at 08:39:25
Disgusted to read the BBC article this morning about how the Man Utd have agreed terms with Branthwaite.

Whatever happened to "tapping up"? Why the hell are BBC so blatantly undermining our player?

Anthony Dove
21 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:06:06
This is unbelievably depressing news. I can't believe there's not something fishy here with Southgate leaving him out of the squad. For fuck's sake, get the new owners agreed in principle at least and make sure we keep him.

Apart from the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, Branthwaite is the club's most valuable asset, so why on earth would any new owner sanction his sale???

Ian Wilkins
22 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:12:15
There are no reports of Man Utd offering £70M for Branthwaite, they are low-balling; it is suggested £50-55M. Whilst Everton are publicly digging in, in reality, they have to accept whatever Man Utd offer. There are no other offers, it seems, and we cannot sell anyone else prior to June 30 (Onana at the Euros etc).

Prepare to feel absolutely mugged by losing a rising star cheaply courtesy of PSR. Personally, I'd take the 3 points and it can't be more as a legal precedent has been set by Forest and us after appeal.

Ray Roche
23 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:22:30
Robert @16

“Any blatant and deliberate breach is likely to result in very serious sanctions.”

How can keeping your best young players be regarded as a deliberate breach?

The Premier League is being run solely for the benefit of the rich clubs. Remember the League spokesman saying that Leicester winning the Premier League was ‘bad for football' because it affected the revenue from the Far East?

Football has been ruined. Rules regarding tapping up are routinely disregarded because it's usually the Rich Six that are hoovering up the young talent to prevent rivals getting them, only to send them out on loan after loan without any real thought for the young players' future. Unless he's like Branthwaite, exceptional.

Christopher Timmins
24 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:24:55
£80M or no sale! The only reason we should sell at an undervalue is where there is an immediate danger of Administration.

The worst run club in the Premier League!

Jimmy I'Anson
25 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:30:09
We'll probably sell him and still fail PSR.

That would be classic Everton.

Anthony Dove
26 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:43:01
The other really depressing thought is that its not just a PSR issue but to raise the money to pay for Beto.

Can things get any worse? Probably.

John Pickles
27 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:53:54
As the money just disappears down the PSR plughole and is not reinvested, we stand a good chance of being relegated without him.

If he goes with no funds for rebuilding, if I was Dyche, I'd walk. His stock is high at the moment, he could get a stable Premier League job now; why try to pull off an even greater miracle by trying to keep an even worse squad up?

Brian Harrison
28 Posted 14/06/2024 at 09:54:05
When the DOF comes out and states we will have to sell players, is it any wonder that clubs interested in buying our players will offer well below the market value? Then there is the 12% sell-on clause to Carlisle on whatever we get for Branthwaite.

With Godfrey not signing a new contract and Calvert-Lewin still not having signed a new contract, wouldn't it have made sense to sell these players first before Branthwaite, who has just signed a 4-year deal with no get-out clauses?

As for holding out for £70M with only 16 days left before the accounts deadline, we may have to accept a hell of a lot less for a player who I believe will be an England regular for years to come.

James Newcombe
29 Posted 14/06/2024 at 10:00:42
“Nice defensive prospect you have there. He's clearly going places. It would be a shame if we…” kicks tyre “were to structure the rules and skew the league itself, so he has to join one of the Heavenly Sky Six in order to meet his ambitions and keep your little club in business. A real shame.”
Brian Williams
30 Posted 14/06/2024 at 10:21:03
John #25.

For fuck's sake, mate, a ball hasn't been kicked in the Euros yet — never mind the Premier League.

Raymond Fox
31 Posted 14/06/2024 at 10:33:31
Sorry to say he's a certainty to leave, we always sell our best players, don't we? I'm very surprised Pickford is still an Everton player, in fact.

We are not in a strong bargaining position, skint and the player probably wanting to play for the 'great' Man Utd.

My question: Is Branthwaite as good as he has been talked up to? I'm not sure.

The way things are, though, I think we should ask for £100M and look to get £80M; it's worth a try – there's more than Man Utd interested.

Ian Pilkington
32 Posted 14/06/2024 at 10:56:41
I have not seen any evidence that we are likely to breach P&S limits if we do not make a large sale by 30 June.

It is clear that Onana is keen to leave and hopefully he will enhance his value in the Euros, so why should we consider selling Branthwaite and how can personal terms have been (illegally) agreed? The BBC as usual is regurgitating dross from the tabloids and Football Insider etc.

An article in yesterday's Telegraph suggested that Manure's transfer funds will be relatively limited: “perhaps as low as £50M” and that Ratcliffe was horrified by the excessive fees paid for Antony and other flops.

Kenwright gave Rooney away for £26M to keep himself afloat as owner, not to keep the club afloat. Branthwaite is our finest prospect since Rooney and with the sale of the club at endgame I don't see any reason to sell our most valuable asset. He certainly wouldn't be advancing his career at Man Utd.

Michael Bennet
33 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:15:51
Man Utd have already agreed personal terms with Jarrad Branthwaite. They apparently want him for £40M... we want £70M... so probably be somewhere in the middle.

Sad – and so it carries on that we are a feeder club for them...

Jack Convery
34 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:15:59
mThe fact his reps have sorted terms means he's definitely going. You wouldn't do that otherwise. EFC have put it out there we want £70M - £80M. On 30 June he will be sold for far less, ie, about £40M - £45M with Man Utd paying Carlisle Utd their percentage.

Everton will come out and state "We had no choice, with no firm offers from other teams for Jarrad or any of the current 1st team on the table. We have been warned we will face further sanctions for PSR and the possibility of administration cannot be discounted, given the ongoing shambles of trying to sell the club. This despite some really good offers to buy laying in Moshiri's In-Tray." Sorry folks that's all for now!!

ps: Comparing his sale value to that of Maguire's transfer is a bloody insult and the rest of it proves beyond doubt how "fixed" the Premier League is.

pps: I've said this before but, if Southgate turns up at Old Trafford as their next manager, the whole thing stinks. Jarrad playing for England in the Euros would have put his price up even more and would have brought more bidders to the table. How on earth anybody thinks Dunk, Guehi and Gomez are better is beyond belief. Being in the squad would have stopped a sale before 30 June too, giving EFC the chance to play real hardball. It might even explain Man Utd keeping hold of Ten Hag.

Alan J Thompson
35 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:26:13
How's that song go?

"Know when to hold, know when to fold, know when to walk away, and know when to run".

Is Thelwell that good or should we be seeking some sponsorship from those willing to purchase the club?

James Hughes
36 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:27:06
Jack,

The FA have stated there have been no approaches for Southgate. Ten Hag has been retained. Southgate is too negative for club management.

We need to keep Jarrad and alas sell Onana, who will become a very good player – just maybe not with us.

Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:27:59
John (25),

I think Dyche is the one person I don't want to leave Everton FC at the present time. Stability is what's needed now; Dyche has provided that over the last 18 months and I believe he will continue to do that.

Raymond (29),

Why are you surprised that Pickford is still an Everton player?

A lot of the top clubs have bought goalkeepers in the last few years… none have bid for Pickford even though he has been England's ‘keeper for many years.

He's on an excellent contract at Everton and seems more than happy here. I don't think there has been any big demand by other clubs to sign him which doesn't really surprise me.

Gavin Johnson
38 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:45:58
Fabrizio Romano now saying we won't take less than £65M?!

It was £85m not long ago. Stories about the fee we'll accept seems to be going down by £5m every few days.

Absolutely embarrassing!! Ratcliffe must be rubbing his hands!!

Brian Williams
39 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:57:11
Gavin #36.

Don't be embarrassed. The figures are plucked out of the air by the media.

I'd bet a fair wedge that it's not the club putting those figures out.

Brian Williams
40 Posted 14/06/2024 at 11:59:12
Am I right in thinking (sure I read it somewhere) that England players in the Euro squad were banned from transfer talk, meeting etc while away in Germany?

If that is the case, it makes the fact that Jarrad was bumped even more annoying.

Paul Hewitt
41 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:12:17
I don't get attached to players nowadays. If we sell someone, then he goes. Jarrad wasn't even in our team 12 months ago.

The fact we could get £70M for him is a good deal to me. I'm sure this is how Carlisle fans felt when we took Jarrad off them. We just need to go and buy the next Jarrad from another club.

James Hughes
42 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:23:37
Paul, I agree with the sentiment but the fact he wasn't in the first team 12 months ago is irrelevant.

Unless fame goes to his head. he is going to be an amazing player; solid defenders are hard to find.

Ian Jones
43 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:26:06
Brian, think it's the opposite. Gareth Southgate indicated he was totally relaxed about players discussing transfers with interested parties.

That does seem odd because you would like to think players would be concentrating on the football but life goes on.

Laurie Hartley
44 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:26:17
If Branthwaite really has agreed terms with Man Utd and wants to leave, then he will go.

Unfortunately, unless Man City, or a “big” European club enter a bid, then United will have the upper hand at the negotiating table – purely because they know our financial situation and the likely penalties for another breach of PSR.

Remember Lescott and Stones; same scenario only worse because of the PSR situation which no doubt Ratcliffe will take full advantage of.

I just hope we don't get one of their discards.

Barry Rathbone
45 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:35:17
Branthwaite leaving perfectly illustrates why year-on-year growth to really challenge, as per populist notion, has never worked in the Premier League.

A non-challenging club of moderate means gets a decent player or two and Boom!! they're gone. You can't build a team around vanished players.

After that, the lottery of replacement for lesser money begins and it's wash, rinse, and repeat until fans get fed up and the board and manager come under pressure and the entire edifice crumbles.

The successor to Moshiri needs more than street smarts in business – they need big pockets – I mean huge!!

Robert Tressell
46 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:37:04
Ray # 21, others have made the (logical) connection between funds generated from player sales and financial rules. I'm just responding to that. I'm not saying I agree with the rules either – just being realistic.

More generally, there are two other aspects to this:

Avoiding going bust. That hopefully seems to be averted now by the amount of interested parties emerging for the takeover. But please don't expect a new set of owners to pump money into the club for transfers. There will still be player sales.

Generating funds for the acquisition of players. The sell-to-buy approach seems to be very much hated on this site. Some of that is probably a "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality – where selling to a mediocre Man Utd side just reinforces how far we've fallen.

Some of this is because we have a track record of atrocious bad spending between about 2016 and 2020 in particular. However, whether we sell Branthwaite or not, we have to become much, much better at player trading (including the sales side) if we are to get back into Europe etc.

Anyway, we all know Branthwaite will be sold and possibly for less than his true value. If so, I just hope people blame the real culprits of Kenwright and Moshiri rather than Dyche and Thelwell.

Steve Shave
47 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:43:43
I haven't read any of the above comments but feel a) this is inevitable and b) we must be canny in our response.

We are stifled by all kinds of fiscal restrictions so I'd be looking for a couple of fringe players, say £60-65M plus Hannibal Mejbri (who we wanted last year) and perhaps Diallo or Shoretire on loan. It would help keep the powder dry.

Danny O’Neill
48 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:49:21
A real shame if this happens, which it looks likely.

He is pure class and a joy to watch. He will only get better.

I'm not sure about us being a feeder club for Manchester United. Without going on Google, I can't see past Rooney.

I think most of the transactions have been the other way them offloading their players on us. It would not surprise me to see this happen.

Whatever happens, just make sure Sean Dyche gets a slice of the cake to reinvest in an already thin squad.

Gavin Johnson
49 Posted 14/06/2024 at 12:57:57
Steve #45. I agree.

If Man Utd don't to want pay Branthwaite's worth, we need to try and get a fringe player as a sweetener.

I suggested Diallo and cash earlier in the thread, but Hannibal might be more viable, given we wanted him last season and he seems to be more on the periphery at Old Trafford.

Ray Roche
50 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:03:59
Robert @44,

I don't know how keeping a young player “breaches” any rule. As yet, Masters and his sort aren't in a position to tell us who we have to sell. Yet.

What is really pissing me off is that arse Ratcliffe thinking he can dictate how much we are to ask for Branthwaite. I'm not impressed with Branthwaite or his agent for entering into discussions about his transfer. I can only assume that there are no longer any rules regarding tapping-up of players.

Okay, it's always been rumoured to be going on, but I don't recall anything as blatant as this before. I would like Everton to make an official complaint just to irritate Ratcliffe et al and not just bend over for our regular shafting.

John Pickles
52 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:25:42
Brian#28
Not sure the significance of your timings. If we constantly sell our best players without being able to use the money generated to get as good or better players in, then a squad that perennially battles promotion is eventually going down. That's just logic.
Karl Meighan
53 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:27:30
Losing any player and especially to other Clubs in the North West pisses me off. No wonder its so hard to build, regarding Branthwaite I don't see us getting more than 65m. Be many screaming here but don't forget its strikers who normally fetch these massive fees and very few defenders. Anyone buying will be telling us its potential there buying after Branthwaite only playing a season in the Prem.

I hope its not a case of us believing we have 2 very good defenders ready to step in- Michael Keane and Ben Godfrey who is soon to be out of contract, so it softens the blow.

Its more than selling are best players even with psr threats and other debts. The Club will have to make a stand sometime or continue to have vultures circling. By refusing to sell as low as we can go, maybe it shows we wont be trampled on.

The only hardball played by Everton in recent years was Moyes with City for Lescott after that we just seem to accept it and roll over.–

Karl Meighan
54 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:31:11
Yes Ray @48...

How the fuck can personal terms be agreed before a Club has agreed to sell?

Derek Taylor
55 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:34:52
The game's fooked. Under the present ruling – and what is to follow, only the half dozen established rich clubs can sign players of real talent – even if it's only to have them sitting on their arses!

(It keeps them out of their rivals' teams anyway and stops teams like Everton getting too successful.)

I hope City win their 'freedom' case and bugger off to Europe with the other 'top teams' whilst we get back to real competition – VAR-less and all!

Dave Lynch
56 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:35:25
If Braithwaite has anything about him, he'd tell Man Utd to meet our asking price or he won't move.
Raymond Fox
57 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:39:28
Dave @ 35,

I'm just surprised that a goalkeeper of his ability has not been a target for one of the top 6 clubs. At least I've not seen any rumours etc of him being a target.

He probably is happy to stay with us, I wasn't suggesting otherwise, he is behind a good defence and still England No 1, I hope he stays.

Sam Hoare
58 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:48:33
Usually a player exchange doesn't help us much as it's less helpful for our PSR situation but that might change where there is a hefty sell-on fee.

We won't get more than £80M for him because non-Evertonians simply don't know him as well or rate him as highly as Evertonians.

Not sure he'd be available but I rate Willy Kambwala and maybe £60M + him would be a decent deal for both teams? They could include a £35M buy-back clause or similar.

Sad to see Branthwaite go but, unless we get a good offer on Onana before the end of the month, then it seems a necessary evil.

Christy Ring
59 Posted 14/06/2024 at 13:48:42
Rumours that Man Utd have agreed terms, if so they should be reported and fined for discussing terms with a player who is under contract.

Thelwell and Dyche should insist on keeping the youngest and best left-sided centre-back in Britain. The best part of our team this season, and the reason we conceded so little, which kept us in the Premier League was the Tarkowski & Branthwaite partnership.

It'll be a total disgrace if he's sold; sell Onana. Why should we accept £65M, are we that desperate? His price tag should be £100M, isn't that what Maguire cost, and Carlisle are due 15%.

I'd prefer a points reduction. If he goes, it's a sad day and fuck Moshiri.

Ian Jones
60 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:00:12
Danny, re players going from us to Man Utd, no need to Google.

I give you Fellaini and Lukaku.

Rob Halligan
61 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:15:28
All a load of bollocks. There has been no agreement between Branthwaite or Man Utd whatsoever. I don't think there has been any contact between the two clubs or the player himself either.

That's not to say there won't be any in the future, but I'm also hearing there are a few clubs interested in him.

Brian Williams
62 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:22:03
Rob is that from the guy you sometimes bump into in the park? (If that's you 🥴).
Danny O’Neill
63 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:29:48
I don't think that makes us a Manchester United feeder club. We've bought players from many clubs, we've sold players to many clubs.

It's football. It has always been the way.

Let's see what happens with Branthwaite.

It's that that time of year.

Ed Prytherch
64 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:35:59
EFC may have granted permission to Man Utd to talk to Branthwaite.
Ian Jones
65 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:40:00
Danny, take your point.

Apologies, the clue was in feeder remark!

Rob Halligan
66 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:44:32
Brian, it’s from about the most reliable source you can imagine, but I’m not going to say who it is, but it’s all 100% true.
Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:44:59
No need to apologise Ian.

If this does happen we will all be disappointed and may end up with Harry Maguire!!

Gary Mortimer
68 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:48:43
Karl #51

I think Martinez played hardball with Chelsea over John Stones. I remember the Chelsea fan (one of Paul Hawksbee and Andy Jacobs) on Talkshite saying "He's coming to Chelsea, it's definite". He ended up staying for another year and then going to City and winning everything. . . so you can't blame him really.

Jarrod should hold out for a more successful club than United, they are in a mess at the moment. I can see City coming in for him when they have "done with" Dias and Stones.

Kieran Kinsella
69 Posted 14/06/2024 at 14:55:12
Rob Halligan has proven consistently accurate with info on Jarrad in the past.

As far as "agreeing terms," I guess the thing with that is you have the agent factor. Clubs can't (supposedly even though we hear so many tales of Fergie calling players up at home etc down the years) talk to players without clubs permission. But what is to stop them talking to the agent and gauging what the player is on and what the player (AKA agent) would expect IF or when the player were to move?

This story though is a bit weird because for weeks we've been hearing how Utd have no money to spend, and cutting costs, and more recently "baulked" at Everton's demands. Now suddenly they supposedly decided to offer a big sum (albeit one less than we might want." Not suggesting there is no hint of truth in it but the media tend to say things are in the bag. e.g. various parties having "bought" the club, kenyon's group, msp, 777, Samuelson, etc none of which came to pass.

Kevin Edward
70 Posted 14/06/2024 at 15:12:14
It is the silly season for transfer gossip.

I'd like the club to make a stand, if this is all true, and dig in for a huge cash fee and sell-on clause, especially if Jarrad doesn't really want to leave.

Football business stinks, but we need to avoid the drop next season so positive PSR will help. Then perhaps we can hang on to our best players at the new stadium and start to recover.

I feel sad that we are in this position now, huge thanks to our ‘world class' leadership team of the past.

Joe McMahon
71 Posted 14/06/2024 at 15:21:55
Echoing what others have said, I'm very concerned with Jarrad leaving. I consider him to be by far our best player. Shit ain't it when a club can just cherry-pick other teams' best?

Why can we never do a Liverpool or Brighton and demand top dollar and get it! Yet again underselling.

Rooney, Richarlison and now Branthwaite. Should be no less than £90M. Man Utd paid a fortune for Maguire, for fuck's sake!

Alan McGuffog
72 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:09:23
Amen, Joe.

I'm told our new badge is the ToffeeLady bent over with her skirts hitched up with the new motto "Welcome Man Utd!"

Ed Prytherch
73 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:10:39
If I were Jarrad, I would have my agent talking to Real Madrid.

Serial winners, brilliant coaches, nice weather, good food.

Ian Bennett
74 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:14:26
It's pretty outrageous if it's right, that Man Utd have agreed a £7.5M signing-on fee and £5M a year contract.

Probably paper talk, but that's clear tapping up when no fee has been agreed.

How can you stand your ground on a fee, if that's been done?

Brian Williams
75 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:31:24
Man Utd make their first bid according to David Ornstein and Sky.

£35M for fuck's sake!

Brian Williams
76 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:32:25
Rob #66.

Cheers, mate. I trust your word!

Kevin Molloy
77 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:36:25
Southgate will be having sleepless nights now, tossing and turning…

"How could I have known Man Utd were going to buy him? Fool, Gareth, you bloody fool!"

Jay Harris
78 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:39:46
Could be the Manc papers and media talking up the deal.

We know Man Utd want Jarrad, who doesn't, but I would hope there is no way we sell him unless it's an outrageous bid which an arrogant prick like Ratcliffe will not sanction.

I'm just glad Black Bill isn't involved in any negotiations.

Robert Williams
79 Posted 14/06/2024 at 16:55:44
Take a minimum of £75M plus increments of £2M each time he plays for Engerland and an additional £20M when he captains Man Utd or Engerland.

Oh, I forgot — and a 10% selling-on fee.

Ted Donnelly
80 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:00:01
Don't go, kid.

The grass isn't always greener.

Steve Brown
81 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:01:21
I believe Rob H.

Man Utd have planted the story with the media to unsettle the player. Their half-witted belief is that Branthwaite will push for a move and drive down the fee towards their derisory £35 million bid.

They are a joke of a club, so why would he choose them?

Ian Jones
82 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:05:54
I believe we should make a counter offer.

Offer a £1 million for Mainoo.

Paul Ferry
83 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:10:50
Nothing "fishy", Anthony Dove (21), although I know how much some of you on here love your conspiracy theories.

It's a bigger/richer club preying on smaller fish kicking off with a low bid to test the needy. It's what happens these days.

Mike Corcoran
84 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:16:09
Sideways move!

Surely he'll hold out for Carlo's bid! :)

Ian Bennett
85 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:27:58
£35m? Clearly don't think that much about him then...
Shaun Parker
86 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:53:10
So Man Utd bid £35m for our best player. And have apparently already agreed personal terms with the player.

Are they allowed to speak with our player when he is under contract with us? Without asking for permission?

Typical Man Utd, total lack of any class.

Swap deal:- Branthwaite for Mainoo and Rashford?

Jack Convery
87 Posted 14/06/2024 at 17:58:24
Sorry about the language but to say I'm livid would be a great underestimation of my feelings right now.

£35M - who the fuck does this Jim Radcliffe think he is? What a gobshite. EFC are in trouble so let's make hay!!!

He also wants the taxpayer to pay for a new updated Old Trafford! You couldn't make it up.

If Eberton sell Jarrad for less than £80M plus add-ons, they've certainly bent over and lowered their pants. Tell them to do one and say until they get serious and really serious we won't be picking up the phone.

I'd rather take a points sanction than sell him for bloody peanuts. As I said, what a gobshite. Piss off.

Karl Meighan
88 Posted 14/06/2024 at 18:07:14
Just refuse to speak to them and remind them how much they have paid for some of the shite they have playing there.

If they want to insult, let them know they paid £57M for a older untested at the time Martinez and more for Mcguire,

Ian Wilkins
89 Posted 14/06/2024 at 18:12:59
Have some class Everton. If you have indicated your value for the player, if, then if someone offers you half of that then just ignore it.

Do not respond, do not engage, treat it with the contempt it deserves. Do not be drawn in by idiots. If we are going to sell then name your price and stick to it.

Paul Ferry
90 Posted 14/06/2024 at 18:42:05
If the roles were reversed our opening testing bid would also have been somewhere in the region of £35M.

It's realpolitik. Don't feel insulted. The only thing that matters is how the club responds not any of us.

So, right now my main concern is who on earth is calling these shots at the club. If it is the absentee landlord then expect Jarrad to go for somewhere in the middle of £35M/£80M.

The Old Trafford people are simply taking advantage of a club that from the outside (and inside) is in ownership limbo, has no clear decision-making, and, to cap it all, are desperate for £££££££.

There's nothing immoral or inappropriate about this. It's just the post-1992 world of Premier League cut and thrust financial and administrative acumen and aggression that we have been historically shite at.

Christy Ring
91 Posted 14/06/2024 at 18:55:16
Sky says they offered £35M, fair price, so they can take Michael Keane back to where he started.
Bill Watson
92 Posted 14/06/2024 at 18:58:48
It's been going on for years: Rooney, Stones, Gordon, Rodwell, Lescott. Richarlison, Arteta, Lukaku and probably others I can't recall off the top of my head.

Branthwaite looks like the centre-back of his generation and even at £80M would be a bargain. If I was him, the only clubs I'd consider would be Real Madrid or Man City as Man Utd are almost as much of a shambles as we are!

How can we ever compete at the top end if we're constantly feeding them our best players at bargain prices?

Thanks, Bill Kenwright. This is your true legacy.

David Nicholls
93 Posted 14/06/2024 at 19:01:21
£80M is the price and not a penny less.

In Man United's case, the price should increase to £100M for the cynical attempt to take advantage of our PSR situation.

Paul Ferry
95 Posted 14/06/2024 at 19:36:25
Hopefully the rumours about Arsenal and the mediocrity Onana will prove to be true and might have an impact on this story to our advantage.

This, with today's ownership news, could well allow us to say no to any Branthwaite bid, but there are too many balls being juggled in the air at the same time right now for any real certainty or clarity.

Rob Halligan
96 Posted 14/06/2024 at 21:01:31
£35M… hahaha….fuck me, my house is worth more than that.

Oh, and by the way, there has been no communication between Branthwaite and the red shite Mancs.

Kieran Kinsella
97 Posted 14/06/2024 at 21:07:53
Rob

"£35M…….hahaha….fuck me, my house is worth more than that."

You're not one of the mystery bidders for the club are you?

David Currie
98 Posted 14/06/2024 at 21:40:34
Steve 81,

A joke of a club who have won 2 trophies in the last 2 years!!
Wish to God we could be a joke of a club?

We need to keep Branthwaite but, if we do sell, then no less than £80M plus extra when he plays for England 50 times!!

Rob Halligan
99 Posted 14/06/2024 at 21:43:46
Kieran……….if only!!
Brian Wilkinson
100 Posted 14/06/2024 at 22:36:55
Tapping up

Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee.

Often a club wishing to buy a player from another club will contact the player directly to try and persuade him to join them should a bidding war for that player ensue. Also, if the club wishing to sign the player feels his current club would be unwilling to sell, they may contact the player to unsettle him at his current club and thus persuade him to hand in a transfer request.

The footballer's representatives are likely to have a big involvement in setting up a meeting between the club and his player. The player's agent will be the first port of call for the club wishing to gain the services of the player and often it is the agent which makes the first contact with potential clubs touting the services of the player he represents.

Article 22 of the FIFA Players' Agents Regulations prohibits a player's agent from approaching any player who is under contract to a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to violate any obligations stipulated in the employment contract. It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any players' agent involved in a contractual breach committed by the player without just cause has induced such breach of contract.

Gavin Johnson
101 Posted 14/06/2024 at 23:21:35
Jim Ratcliffe still thinking he's living in 2014 it seems.
Jeff Armstrong
102 Posted 14/06/2024 at 23:39:41
Man Utd created the market of £80 million centre-backs years ago, when they signed mediocrity from Leicester. Now, they want the best left-sided centre-back in England for £35 million!!!

Get the fuck, Ratcliffe, and take your parasite club bids with you. Come back with £100 million and we might then tell you to fuck off politely.
Keith Harrison
103 Posted 14/06/2024 at 23:52:21
Rob H is right.

The Telegraph is incorrect – so far – on any agreement between the player and Man Utd. A number of other clubs are also very interested, so Man Utd need to show how serious they are for a bid to be accepted.

With the news tonight on Friedkin agreeing a deal in principle with Moshir, I'd rather see Onana and even (plus) Calvert-Lewin go, and use Jarrad as a bedrock for the future.

If things in other areas can move quickly, I think he could well stay – if the club itself start sitting down with the lad, and give him re-assurances about our ambition including him. That, however, is not, to my belief, happening at the moment.

Don Alexander
104 Posted 15/06/2024 at 00:24:44
Jarrad Branthwaite is a very young man indeed, but now wealthy beyond anything he could have imagined just 2 years ago. As said, he's very young.

He'll also have an agent who's devoted to lining his own pocket asap by way of what he, the agent, will contend as a mega-deal by signing for any one of the "big" clubs (after all, Jarrad could bin him next month couldn't he – hence the agent's haste).

I just hope Jarrad takes a leaf out of Jordan's experience and chooses, as the very young man he is, to go on gaining regular selection in an excellent defensive unit in an otherwise bog-standard Premier League club from which, in two or three seasons, he'll be able to more or less select which top club he chooses to sign for, thereby becoming ludicrously wealthy, and trophy-laden too.

Man Utd are not a club to deliver top trophies in the next two or three seasons at least.

Kieran Kinsella
105 Posted 15/06/2024 at 00:44:34
Keith,

I imagine Dyche, Thelwell and even Chong can't offer assurances due to the ownership fiasco but hopefully they changes asap.

Jarrad Branthwaite seems like a level-headed young man… and agreed – I'd sooner cash in on others.

Anthony Dwyer
106 Posted 15/06/2024 at 01:00:46
Just watch, these cunts have got us by the balls.

The Premier League with their so-called financial fair play will see to it we won't see anything over £55M for him (more like £45M or £50M plus bonus) when we have the right to a bigger fee like Fafana, Maguire etc.

Need to bin off Godfrey etc before the end of the month and dig our heels in or keep our contracted player.

Si Pulford
107 Posted 15/06/2024 at 01:13:04
Anthony, it's their opening bid. It's already been rejected.

Take a breath. No way he goes for £55 million. Not a chance.

David Morgan
108 Posted 15/06/2024 at 01:26:42
Idiots at Man Utd, offer him to other clubs for £80 million and charge them £90 million for this insult (if we are selling), or even better keep him one more year and sell for the same price then.

Sell someone else, Onana would be my choice.

Phillip Warrington
109 Posted 15/06/2024 at 04:15:04
He should never leave, he should be made captain and the team built around him and Pickford.

I would raver take the hit by the PSR, instead of selling him to avoid it. He will play for England for a long time, we could never buy a player of his ability and nor would a player of his ability want to play for Everton at the present time.

We have to start standing our ground and show we are a big club once again, and like Man City our next major signing is the best lawyers we can get to have the Premier League heavies running around in circles instead of us.

Danny O’Neill
110 Posted 15/06/2024 at 05:47:29
Disrespectful.

Unless the player forces it, don't sell.

If he does, get the right value worthy of his talent and potential.

Jim Bennings
111 Posted 15/06/2024 at 06:50:06
Joke bid.

That wouldn't even buy his right sock.

Brian Williams
112 Posted 15/06/2024 at 07:25:23
I see there's a breaking story about Arsenal's interest in Onana.

For the conspiracists among us could it be that that story has come out to put indirect pressure on Man Utd, as in if we sell Onana we won't suffer under PSR so aren't desperate to sell Branthwaite?

Further fuel to the theory could be the announcement of a record kit and sponsorship deal with Castore.

Dave Cashen
113 Posted 15/06/2024 at 07:48:01
Brian,

Correct of course, but there are so many ways to put the feelers out without without actually talking to the player.

I don't think Man Utd would dare contact JB directly but I suspect the boy (and his agent) already have a very good idea of the package they are offering.

I look at the list Bill @92 puts up off the top of his head and I'm reminded that none of those players needed to be dragged kicking and screaming out of Goodison. You can ask a player for another season (like Carlo did with Richarlison) but, if they can earn more money at a club offering them a better chance of medals… they're off.

The wolves are at our door. Man Utd know this. We desperately need another club to step in and start a bidding war. Otherwise, I fear they could well get away with daylight robbery.

Derek Thomas
114 Posted 15/06/2024 at 08:06:29
I'm all for the odd 'cheeky bid', but that's just taking the piss - gtf.

If that big tosser Maquire was worth £80M 4 years ago, £35M x 2.5 + Carlisle's 10% is not too unreasonable.

Mike Gaynes
115 Posted 15/06/2024 at 08:27:10
#104, "Jarrad doesn't have an agent."

Brilliant post, though. No, really.

[*eye roll*]

Nigel Munford
116 Posted 15/06/2024 at 08:37:15
So, Jarrad Branthwaite sees the insulting bid and says:

"Is that all they think I'm worth, feck em!!!"

Pat Kelly
117 Posted 15/06/2024 at 08:48:23
I can't see us getting much over £50M. But we should include £10M of add-ons, and a sell-on percentage.
Michael Lynch
118 Posted 15/06/2024 at 09:03:58
Ratcliffe is a hugely successful businessman but he's also notoriously stubborn and a bit odd.

He's already told the administrative staff at Man Utd that they have to be in the office five days a week or they can fuck off. No exceptions. He takes it personally when people challenge his authority and would rather miss out on a deal than feel he's paying over the odds.

In other words, he won't pay the asking price. Either Jarrad doesn't go to Man Utd, or we sell him on the cheap.

Mark Murphy
119 Posted 15/06/2024 at 09:21:27
I'm pretty sure I know who Rob H is getting his info from and I can assure people Rob is a more reliable source than any media shite!

I think Jarrad will go, and good luck to the lad, but for the moment this is just the usual 4th estate spun bollocks.

Andrew Bentley
120 Posted 15/06/2024 at 09:30:30
Don @104 - he’s not wealthy at all. He’s had one year of earning £15k a week with his latest contract which is £780k per annum. Tax man takes roughly 50% of that number so he’s left with £390k. Now don’t get me wrong that’s a lot of money for a 21 year old to earn in 1 year but it’s not life changing yet. 1 bad injury and it’s all over. you just know that Utd and others will treble if not quadruple that amount of money he gets paid at the moment - then that becomes wealthy!!

Would love us to dig our heels in and say no and take the PSR hit - look at Forest and Brennan Johnson, they held out for a decent value rather than sell before the deadline and the points deduction for them was tiny. Like others have said, he is worth more points to us playing for us than we would lose through PSR rules.

If we sell him for less than £70m we’ve been done

Phil Sammon
121 Posted 15/06/2024 at 09:38:46
Andrew 120

Right so he’s got £390k for the last year and has a contract that runs another three years. He is the definition of wealthy. What a bizarre argument.

Dave Abrahams
122 Posted 15/06/2024 at 09:59:23
Bill (92),

Yes, he'll go and, if that offer of £35M was made, it's business. I agree with your terms and I hope we get that much, he will be missed.

For those saying tell Man Utd to do one, don't they think Jarrad has a say in this? If the lad wants to go, and he'd be foolish not to; he'll go – unfortunately.

Alan J Thompson
123 Posted 15/06/2024 at 11:37:31
How much do we need to meet PSR needs? And, if we do have to sell, which I'd rather we didn't, then maybe ask Spurs for £50M plus a player they don't want, like say, Richarlison.

Who knows, Brazil may be looking for somebody who can play the lone target man role.

Tom Bowers
124 Posted 15/06/2024 at 11:48:47
What a pathetic offer for this lad who has the potential for being one of the best stoppers for years to come.

I hope the new consortium can be persuaded to pay the money for him to stay.

I say Man Utd can have Michael Keane for £35 million instead.

Cathal Donnellan
125 Posted 15/06/2024 at 13:23:22
How much do we have to sell a player for to satisfy PSR?

Do we need to sell one or two before the deadline?

Lewis Barclay
126 Posted 15/06/2024 at 13:35:39
Sell him to Roma and loan him back for the season.
Alastair Donaldson
127 Posted 15/06/2024 at 15:08:11
On PSR, wonder if mortgaging more of Goodison to our potential new owners is an option, the Chelsea way!

Hope we can raise enough through selling Godfrey and Onana who want away regardless.

Man Utd can offer untold riches, but they are a mixed bag of talent and duds, god knows how they won anything under Ten Hag, the least likeable manager since Sir Purple Nose. The stadium needs huge investment, not necessarily smooth sailing.

Hold firm, EFC, this lad is the new Bobby Moore; it'd be nice if he decided to be a one-club man!! We can dream.

Geoff Cadman
128 Posted 15/06/2024 at 16:16:04
If we are in breech of PSR, then surely the punishment will be similar to the second charge last season. We have already been charged and punished for 2021-22 and 2022-23.

Also, nothing spent on transfers apart from Danjuma's loan fee. If we are over, I think it will be less than last year; don't sell – take the hit.

Jay Harris
129 Posted 15/06/2024 at 16:55:19
Geoff, suggestions have ranged from being okay on PSR to needing £40M before 30 June. If our new owner is on the ball, he could do some sort of sponsorship deal with the likes of Toyota before 30 June.

Although we are all of the same opinion on wanting to keep Jarrad, as some have said, if he really wants to go, he will go.

We just have to play hardball and hold out for the best deal possible.

Derek Taylor
130 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:29:33
There's no need to sell him!

We'll only get fined 6 points for falling short in last year's accounts – that's just two games to win and then we start our season proper and we still have 'gold' in the ranks!

Rob Halligan
131 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:42:29
According to Sky Sports News, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Everton, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester City must offload players to comply with the league's Profitability and Sustainability Rules.

This, I should imagine has to be done by the end of this month.

So, as some have said, take the hit, keep Branthwaite and tell the red shite Mancs to do one. If all six clubs do the same, then it should be fun watching Masters and his cronies sort that little lot out, though no doubt Chelsea will be let off.

Brian Williams
132 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:44:28
I agree with those saying take the PSR hit.

I think it would be another double jeopardy situation resulting in a 2-point penalty.

I also think there'll be others who start the season with a higher points deduction.

Great minds, Rob, only saw your post after I'd done mine. 👍💙

Kieran Kinsella
133 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:45:12
Rob,

And in all likelihood, if the other teams buy anyone off these clubs, then those clubs will violate PSR too.

Rob Halligan
134 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:50:07
No doubt, by the time the Premier League finally get round to doing Man City, their number of charges will have risen to about 200!
Colin Glassar
135 Posted 15/06/2024 at 17:55:51
Rob,

Man City will claim that, under the statute of limitations (doesn't exist but they'll invent one), the case against them has expired.

Danny O’Neill
136 Posted 15/06/2024 at 18:02:02
Defiance Rob.

Feck them.

Ray Roche
137 Posted 15/06/2024 at 18:04:41
JAY@129

I thought the same, buy the naming rights for BMD for say, £50m, and keep Branthwaite.

Billy Shears
138 Posted 15/06/2024 at 19:04:42
If our new owner wants to win over the fanbase...then tell manure to fuck off with their low offer and keep hold of young Jarrad at least for one more season...the lad is quality and will improve further and am sure will be an England regular soon enough!
Brendan Fox
139 Posted 15/06/2024 at 19:15:07
Tell Man Utd and that cross-eyed gimp Ratcliffe to do one. £100m or no deal and take the PSR hit.

This is on the basis that if Legohead was worth £80m 4 years ago and much later in his career then Branthwaite who is only 21, left footed and is already a very accomplished centre half at such a young age then £100m is a bargain in comparison for a player that could be the mainstay for club and country for the next decade.

Paul Ferry
140 Posted 15/06/2024 at 19:40:32
Karl Meighan 88 - "Just refuse to speak to them and remind them how much they have paid for some of the shite they have playing there".

That should not be too hard Karl. We are the world champions at that and could teach Manchester Utd a few things.

Peter Moore
141 Posted 15/06/2024 at 21:26:25
Hopefully there will be no fire sales now the takeover is afoot…
Nick Strong
142 Posted 15/06/2024 at 22:30:57
If we have set a price of £70M, it's important that we don't sell him for a penny less.

We need to stand firm and not be weak this time. I hope we have a player to replace him already ear-marked.
Rob Halligan
143 Posted 16/06/2024 at 00:38:07
"Man Utd make a (not!) improved offer of £43M and have threatened to walk away from the deal, as they are not prepared to pay the valuation set by Everton."

Have threatened to walk away… jeez, you'd think they were doing us some kind of favour. Just tell them to Fuck off!

Their £43M now includes £8M add-ons, which they consider can easily be achieved.

Eric Myles
144 Posted 16/06/2024 at 01:02:45
Jay #129,

We should be aiming higher than a Toyota sponsorship deal.

Lexus maybe?

Kieran Kinsella
145 Posted 16/06/2024 at 01:20:21
Rob,

I burst out laughing when I read that “threat.” This Radcliffe bloke expects free stadiums, and players on the cheap…

He has a lot to learn.

Ajay Gopal
146 Posted 16/06/2024 at 05:09:31
I would gladly agree to a fee of £43M ………… for Michael Keane!

They can have Mason Holgate also if they want.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
147 Posted 16/06/2024 at 06:49:33
There has been a nice meme.

Graduate in an interview:

Boss: "What salary were you looking for?"
Graduate: "£120,000"
Boss: "How about £100,000; 100% bonus; Ferrari as a company car; 8 weeks holiday a year?"
Graduate: "You're kidding!"
Boss: "Yes, but you started it."

I would love to play that with Man Utd. Call them for a meeting and when they put their offer, say No, pick up the papers and walk out.

The parties are so far apart, then there is not the opportunity to agree. Put it this way: you have a house to sell, it is on the market at £800,000. Someone says "I will give you £350,000 (and you know it is shared ownership so the housing association will take £50,000) and another £80,000 if I find no problems." Do you honestly believe that there is the possibility of a deal?

Jerome Shields
148 Posted 16/06/2024 at 07:17:02
Branthwaite should not be sold. Everton by mismanagement doubled their losses in the 2022-23 season on the previous season.

The sale of Branthwaite will not stop them getting referred to a new independent commission. It will just take the bad look of things, just like the previous realization of value during transfer windows.

Sam Hoare
149 Posted 16/06/2024 at 08:44:35
I disagree with anyone saying take the PSR hit.

These independent commissions have proved unpredictable and we don't know how many points we might be deducted.

Last season, it was comfortable because the promoted teams were so poor but Leicester and Southampton (and maybe Ipswich) will probably be better. It may well be another battle and a few points here and there could be crucial.

Branthwaite had an excellent season and looks to have a bright future but there are other talented young centre-backs around.

I'm hoping that selling Onana may be enough to keep the PSR wolf from the door but, if not, then I'm not sure I'd be taking risks with point deductions, especially if it looks like we're doing it on purpose.

It's a difficult balance and I wouldn't want to sell him cheaply but, if a sensible offer over £60M comes in, then the PSR situation (which none of us really have clarity over) must be taken into consideration.

Paul Tran
150 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:04:38
This is what's known as the 'shitty first offer'. I'd expect us to do the same when we're the buyer.

Market value is subjective. The true price is the price you get people to pay.

If we need to sell and he really wants to leave, he'll leave. The only question is how tough we'll be in negotiating.

Ray Roche
151 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:19:44
Sam@149

Although I usually agree with your posts I can’t on this occasion. If there are ‘ other talented young centre-backs around.’ why aren’t United knocking on their door instead of Branthwaite’s? Left sided defenders are in a minority and prospects as good as Jarrod are few and far between. Along with Tarks and Pickford he’s the reason why we had the fourth best defensive record and second highest number of clean sheets last season even though we were fighting relegation. United paid £80m for Maguire years ago so a prospect like Branthwaite with a decade of top flight service ahead of him should be in a similar price bracket. As you say, the Commissions are unpredictable but haven’t they set a precedent with Forest and their sale of Johnson? Branthwaite in our settled defence would save us four points in my opinion. We shouldn’t be taken in by the bullying arrogance of Ratcliffe.

Brian Williams
152 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:25:48
Ray#151

Totally agree. Precedent's been set AND other teams will be starting next season with a points deduction so I too would take the hit which I'd expect to be 4 reduced to 2 points similar to our last indiscretion.

And as you say there is no other young player anywhere near to Branthwaite's level.

I sometimes wonder whether Evertonians underestimate due to the fact that the player plays for us.

Branthwaite IMHO is, like Rooney was, a once in a generation player for us.

Don't let the fact that we're plucky little Everton mask the fact that that lad is absolutely golden.

Eric Myles
153 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:40:08
Brian #152, I've always supported the idea to keep Braithwaite and take the points deduction but remember a post from another TWer commenting that if we've deliberately broken the rules the punishment is likely to be more severe.

A three strikes and you're out deal. And the EPL would not take into consideration Forrest's argument that they were actually financially better off by selling their player after the 30 June deadline.

Brian Williams
154 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:42:03
Good point Eric though if we didn't sell JB it would be different from Forest who DID go on to sell.

I'd take the chance on this one, especially as the deduction would be very near the start of the season.

Aaaand another thing. We've just added £20m to the accounts with the Castore sponsorship deal.

Ray Roche
155 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:50:54
But Eric, have we deliberately broken the rules by not selling Branthwaite? What rule states that we have to sell Branthwaite? Forest had every intention of selling Johnson but deliberately held on to him knowing that by doing so they were breaking the rules but decided that the extra money that they received would be worth it. We don’t want to lose our best players. Doesn’t that make a difference? It only helps the rich clubs. What a surprise.
Robert Tressell
156 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:52:27
The reason Man Utd are interested in Branthwaite rather than other lower cost talented CBs is largely down to risk / time. He is already performing in the Premier League and comes from the North West of England. It is very likely he will fit in, and quickly. They would be paying a very, very high premium for that though. If they can get better value from the likes of Yoro (Lille), Diomande (Sporting) or possibly even Zabarnyi (Bournemouth) they might choose to go with that instead - or just put up with Maguire until Kambwala is more ready.

There is no way that most successful clubs around Europe would think they cannot afford players of the quality of Branthwaite. They will be looking at other tall CBs age 22 or younger who would be much cheaper such as:

- Debast (Anderlecht)
- Vitik (Sparta Prague)
- Sangante (Le Havre)
- Amenda (Young Boys)
- Koulierakis (PAOK Salonika)
- Esteve (Burnley, having just arrived from Montpellier)

Personally, I think there's a very good chance that we end up with 23 year old Jacob Greaves of Hull - and that he would fit in well and become a popular player.

John Chambers
157 Posted 16/06/2024 at 09:54:08
Do we actually need to sell Branthwaite? If we can sell Onana for a decent profit, say £25m, how big a problem have we got with PSR? Don't forget we made £30m plus before the end of the summer transfer last year with sale of Iwobi, Simms, Cannon.
Steve Brown
158 Posted 16/06/2024 at 10:07:15
Get back to negotiating school Ratcliffe.
Brian Harrison
159 Posted 16/06/2024 at 10:17:54
I think it will be very interesting to see how much or more likely how little is spent in this transfer window compared to previous transfer windows, certainly the January window was one of the lowest of previous years. The P&S rules which for a large part have been ignored until the government decided to impose an independent regulator, at which point Masters and his crew decided to play hard ball to try and prove they could impose their rules without having an independent regulator imposed on them. Now we are in a situation were even some of the richest clubs are having to take on board the impact of P&S rules. So maybe Masters didnt realize the negative impact the P&S rules would have and instead of the Premier league being the biggest and richest league may now not be the case.

Kevin Thelwell said weeks ago we would have to sell players which seems to imply that we need to sell to comply with P&S rules, and we all understand that. But surely our priority should be to try and sell those players who have been offered extended contracts and haven't signed them, DCL and Godfrey are both in that category who we could get money for. Onana has said he hopes to play well in the Euros to convince the bigger clubs to come in for him, but I think there will be a rule that players cant do deals with players involved in the Euros, so maybe if we need to sell before the 30th June his sale couldn't be done before then. Just seems that inevitably we will agree a price for Branthwaite to stay within P&S rules if we don't sell the other options. Finally watched a documentary last night about Rooney again another brilliant talent let go far to early.

Clive Rogers
160 Posted 16/06/2024 at 10:24:00
If DCL has not signed a new contract then he will probably the first to go. The window is open.
Robert Tressell
161 Posted 16/06/2024 at 11:52:56
Brian # 159, it is an interesting observation. The transfer system has, for some time now, been broken. It is why the likes of Leipzig have set up a system which attempts to bypass it - and some of the richest clubs like City, the RS, Chelsea, Real, PSG and others have moved to a youth trading model to drive revenues for First Team player acquisition.

The shock created by Everton's (disproportionate) punishment last season is a massive wake up call to pretty much everyone (and not just in the Premier League). Transfer volumes could be down this season, or perhaps transfer prices or both. I suspect it might mean that (even if it hurts them from a sporting perspective) clubs will sell youth team products to generate an accounting win.

The curiosity of the Saudi league complicates this; as does the ongoing possibility of a formalised Super League. Hard to know where it all ends - except that player trading and youth development will have a be a big part of where we feature in this.

Frank Thomas
162 Posted 16/06/2024 at 12:06:24
I agree with most of the people here that we should take the points deduction and keep Branthwaite.

I don't think Dyche realises how very important Branthwaite is to the current squad. He covers Tarkowski's errors, stands in front of shots unlike the current defenders in the Man Utd team who cower away. He is the leading point man in the attack for free kicks and corners, moves forward with the ball into the opposition half and generally raises morale in other players. He can only get better.

Even if Man Utd were allowed to buy him they would recover the £80M costs in the first year. They would qualify for the champions league earning them at least an extra £12M to £18M in Premiership prize money. At least £30M to £55M in champion league prize money plus extra money from FA Cup.

We (Everton) would on the other hand would gain £80M to spend on players like Beto and Onana who have cost us £60M and who have teams breaking down our doors to buy them. It would eventually cost us our premiership status which is worth £100M+

I have only attended three games at Goodison this year they were Nottingham Forest, Liverpool and Brentford. I predicted three wins though I was worried about Nottingham Forest.

I predict if we sell Branthwait we will be relegated in the 24/25 season.

We have save a lot on salaries Dele Ali (£5m+), Gomes(£5M+), Lonergan (£3M) and Arnaut Danjuma (£3M+)

We should give Branthwaite a salary increase to 90k p/w also take a legal case against Man Utd of approaching players before being given permission to talk. Though this sort of thing has been going on for years hence Rooney's golf game with Ferguson before suddenly being bought by Man Utd.

We should sell Keane, Holgate, Maupay, Onana and Beto. We should also be questioning the medical staff why they allowed Deli Ali to be signed considering his physical and mental state of mind.

If they state that Lampard overruled them then we should consider legal action against Lampard to at least recover the pay off monies that Lampard received. Why should a manager not be sued for incompetence in regard to wasting money on transfers.

Next season we will see the FA suddenly revise the financial fairplay rules because of the action and effect of Man City's legal action. Rendering the sale of vitally key players a silly decision.

Tony Abrahams
163 Posted 16/06/2024 at 12:18:32
I genuinely wish that we had never had Wayne Rooney, Brian, because it enabled that phoney Bill Kenwright, to stay in charge of “our club”

Player trading and youth development all aided Kenwright Robert, but I think Moshiri’s approach, has destroyed everything and this is obviously going to take time to rebuild.

It is obviously the way forward though, so hopefully this is going to be something the new owners really concentrate on.

Ian Jones
164 Posted 16/06/2024 at 12:33:56
There have been some comments above about the definition of whether Jarrad can consider himself wealthy but in present day terms as a footballer he's clearly not

I'm all for offering Jarrad a much better deal to at least give him an incentive to stay, even if it's only for one more year with the chance to leave. If we consider him to be one of the reasons why we stayed up, he deserves his increase.

As Don indicates @ 104 with his comment...

'I just hope Jarrad takes a leaf out of Jordan's experience and chooses, as the very young man he is, to go on gaining regular selection in an excellent defensive unit in an otherwise bog-standard Premier League club from which, in two or three seasons, he'll be able to more or less select which top club he chooses to sign for, thereby becoming ludicrously wealthy, and trophy-laden too.

Man Utd are not a club to deliver top trophies in the next two or three seasons at least.'

He'll be able to pick Real Madrid.

Danny Baily
165 Posted 16/06/2024 at 12:42:51
This is pretty much the only 'big' move that makes sense for him ahead of next season. Looking at their squad, he'll be straight in and stay there if he does well. There's always the risk that he stays, picks up and injury and his stock plummets, inevitably further than it would if the same happened whilst on the books at UTD.

I hope he stays, but a big money move could benefit all parties.

Mark P Hughes
166 Posted 16/06/2024 at 14:02:01
"Dan Ashworth discussed Branthwaite with Gareth Southgate and how a solid Euros run might inflate his transfer value, Southgate will also step in should ETH fail, if not he will be offered a Directorship at MU in 2 years."
Wheels within Wheels - The INEOS Way.
Overheard but makes sense all round.
Francis van Lierop
167 Posted 16/06/2024 at 20:15:14
As a Lincolnshire lad, I detested Man Utd, in that desert of English football, someone once said to me that he didn't like football, oh, but he did support that lot. The giveaway of Wayne Rooney was hard to stomach.

Some years ago, clubs were after Napoli's Kalidou Koulibaly, they priced him at £95M. We know Jarrad is a better player, and worth more, especially with Carlisle cashing a percentage.

Last year PSV put in a cheeky bid of £15M – a ridiculous under-bid, which I half expected to materialize. If so, I would have stopped supporting the club I did from my 5th birthday on. Luckily that didn't happen.

We desperately need stable leadership with balls, who can say no, despite our predicament.

Colin Callaghan
168 Posted 16/06/2024 at 21:15:18
Frank Thomas 162

Breathe bruvva..

Branthwaite still makes tons of mistakes and doesn't really go forward that often yet, it actually really only started to happen after he came back from England. Everyone on our squad has always blocked shots for as long as I remember. Pretty sure tarkowski and onana are more targets in the opponents area too, Branthwaite picked up 2nd balls for his goals. Finally I agree, he will only get better and we should increase his wages.

Frank should pay us back for signing dele is insanity though mate and actually makes us look petty.

Frank Thomas
169 Posted 16/06/2024 at 22:23:53
Colin I have seen Holgate, Keane and others prior to Tarkowski arrival duck out the way from powerful shots.

As for the Dele issue do you remember that Moyes really wanted to sign a player and was told no because he did not pass our medical. Moyes did have the option to overrule the medics but at his responsibility.

I am suggesting that we investigate the issue to find how to prevent it happening again, maybe Lampard did overrule the medics?

Dele played 13 times for us and was paid £10.4M according to Capology, for the two years that we had him. We almost certainly paid £7M of that salary with no goals.

Colin do you not think that a new reality is coming to European football we cannot keep buying footballers with money that may never be recovered with salaries that are not justified?

Colin Callaghan
170 Posted 17/06/2024 at 00:04:26
Hey frank Holgate is gone and Keane will be too. What more do you want?

Going after peanuts from ex coaches isn't going to solve anything and makes us far less attractive to future employers. Can't you see that??

Ed Prytherch
171 Posted 17/06/2024 at 01:01:57
Colin,
Mason Holgate is an Everton player. He has returned from his loan to Sheffield Utd.
Mike Gaynes
172 Posted 17/06/2024 at 02:46:53
Ed, you just had to ruin my evening, dincha?
Rob Jones
173 Posted 17/06/2024 at 09:55:29
Other than Branthwaite staying, one other thing I'd like this summer would be for Bryan King to stop constantly talking shit about us, helping to unsettle our players, etc.
Frank Thomas
174 Posted 17/06/2024 at 10:04:15
Colin, who gave Holgate a new contract, yes good old Lampard.
The year Keane fell out of favour at our club I posted that it was Holgate who had cost us 9 points due to his reckless and headless tackling and not Keane. We saw those actions last year when he was on loan. That decision to give Holgate another contract will cost Everton an extra £9M (wages), unless we can sell him.

There was an article a few years ago explaining why Liverpool buy very few lemons and instead pick up bargains such as Salah, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Philippe Coutinho and several others it was down to their IT director and not just because the manager played with him at another club.
Liverpool's IT manager analysed the players stats in different formations and situations. he was responsible for helping Liverpool earn over £100M just from Coutinho transfer. I do not see any reason why we could not implement a similar system.
They also used the same systematic approach to recruit Klopp and that was pretty successful.

As for looking 'petty' if that discourages managers like Lampard, Big Sam and Rafa from joining us then that is a bonus. It also sends a message we expect a higher standard of manager.

I am not a fan of Klopp but I have to admire him professionally to do any monthly job so successfully you have to put in a lot more than 40 hours a week for 50 weeks a year and that is one of the reason he left.

I do not think that Dyche has anywhere near that level of professionalism. He has taken far too long to realise which players blend better with each other like Baines and Pienaar did. Dyche lost the first few games because he did not do his homework before the pre season games.
Also the three managers above like to 'discover' new talent in the teams they managed hence the reason why Branthwaite did not play the first couple of premier games until Dyche had trained him to his standard and satisfaction.

Do managers write match reports for directors before and after games? it would certainly focus the manager's mind on the performance of his players and the team needs.
We are currently owned by an investor and not strictly a self made man. If we are sold to Dan Friedkin he is a self made billionaire and I would expect him to implement something along a reporting system. He will not be happy with' they did not follow my game play' when the team loses unless he saw the plan before the game.

Ryan Holroyd
175 Posted 17/06/2024 at 11:07:00
Frank @ 174

Frank Lampard didn’t give Holgate a 5 year contract. That was good Old Marcel Brands and Carlo Ancelotti

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
176 Posted 17/06/2024 at 11:25:56
The problem I think is that Holgate has gone backwards since that contract. But when you have suddenly arrived, earned more money than you dad would earn in 10 lifetimes and Carlo Ancelotti thinks you are brilliant - then where does your head go?

Maybe we could sell him to RM and suggest to CM that he can sort him out again and sell him for a massive profit.

Geoff Trenner
177 Posted 17/06/2024 at 11:54:54
Phil @147. I did that with a GMB union rep a few years ago.

He emailed me a list of demands, mostly completely unrealistic. I emailed him back asking him to come in to negotiate. His response was that his demands were non-negotiable and that he’d post me the agreement and then come in to pick up the signed agreement.

When he walked through my office door I picked up the agreement and tore it in half, threw it in the bin and told him to find his own way out.

The look on his face was priceless.

Colin Callaghan
178 Posted 17/06/2024 at 11:55:05
Frank you're typing instead of breathing. Friedkin also took over Gulf States Toyota from his father. Successful sure but not "self made" at all.

Ed Holgate will never play for Everton again.. put some quid on it now. I've hoped Holgate never saw the field after Firmino made him look like a school boy and he cried racism

If we sack dyche now then we get everything we deserve. Sean Dyche for King of England.

Si Cooper
179 Posted 17/06/2024 at 13:39:48
It is obvious to everyone that the timing of the summer transfer window makes it purely a buyer’s market for clubs needing to balance the books by selling. Even worse when the market has been severely depressed by the implementation of punishments for the first time.
Much fairer to allow a sale at any point in the window count towards the end of year accounts.
I know the argument didn’t work for Forest but I’d still rather see the club not pulling out all the stops to com0ly with poorly administered regulations and instead agitate against the increasing gradient on the playing field which should be level for all.
Sam Hoare
180 Posted 17/06/2024 at 21:09:38
Ray@151 I’d love to keep Branthwaite and I’m not suggesting we could find anyone as good as him easily. But I reckon we could find someone almost as good and who wouldn’t have a detrimental affect on the team.

Dyche is pretty good at organizing a defense and in fact Tarkowski was arguably the better of the two centre backs last year.

Branthwaite is probably an 8/10 player who might become a 10/10 player and those cost you upwards of £50m. But we could hopefully find a 7/10 player with potential to become a 8/10 player for around £15-20m.

Knowingly taking a PSR hit seems super risky for me and imagine if those five points (or whatever the deduction is) sees us go down.

Maybe it’s just a conservative approach but I wouldn’t be giving the PL any say over our future next season if I could help it.

Andy Crooks
181 Posted 17/06/2024 at 21:17:25
Geoff @177, that showed him. A Union rep looking for a deal for his members? You tore it in half. Top man!
Brian Wilkinson
182 Posted 17/06/2024 at 22:31:04
All the noise is coming from click baite, all we do know is the offer Utd put in, a low bid to unsettle the player and try and test the water.

If it is nailed on, then why is Godfrey not thinking this is my chance to stake a claim.

All this talk of Utd not being held to ransom and walking away, they will be back for sure.

I just hope Everton stick to their guns and say no, if the offer is below £50 Million without add ons..

If Utd think he is only worth £50 million max, call their bluff and insist on a 50% sell on clause over £50 million.

Like I say no one knows, all speculation, the player might be happy to stay at Everton.

Andrew James
183 Posted 18/06/2024 at 01:01:49
I say don't sell because we never properly replace our best players after selling them.

Rooney, Lescott, Stones, Lukaku, Richarlison...yes there are some names there that were nigh on impossible to replace but we never have succeeded either by buying a few for the money or blowing the proceeds on one player.

The other option being to risk a PSR fine having not sold him is the strange one. I would wager we'll finish higher up the table by retaining him so our collective value would surely be enhanced by continuing until next summer?

Geoff Trenner
184 Posted 18/06/2024 at 07:14:49
Andy @181. Ridiculous demands, boasting to my employees about what a great deal he had negotiated whilst telling me that his demands were ‘non-negotiable’

In the absence of negotiation, what else could I do but call his bluff?

Geoff Trenner
185 Posted 18/06/2024 at 07:14:49
Andy @181. Ridiculous demands, boasting to my employees about what a great deal he had negotiated whilst telling me that his demands were ‘non-negotiable’

In the absence of negotiation, what else could I do but call his bluff?

Mark Murphy
186 Posted 18/06/2024 at 07:56:38
Andy, from personal experience some Union Reps are just pricks.
Andy Crooks
187 Posted 18/06/2024 at 13:34:31
Mark, you may well be right, I was one for many years!!!
Geoff, I do get your point. I tried to take the view that we aren't always right and they aren't always wrong.
My dad, who was a branch secretary for many years, always believed in allowing people room to save face.
Kruschev got what he wanted in Cuba and let Kennedy claim victory. It was a goalless draw in the end!

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
188 Posted 18/06/2024 at 14:12:07
What I learnt through my 17 years as a global purchasing manager was you need to be able to make the next deal as well.

Although in the case of United - I hope we never have to do so.


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