VIEW FROM THE BLUE
The “Moyessiah” After All?
It won't come as a surprise to many who regularly read these pages but there have been occasions during David Moyes's tenure where I have wondered whether he had what it takes as a manager to lead this club back to a position of regularly challenging for honours and tackling the dominance of the so-called "big four".
And in the aftermath of February's home defeat to Tottenham in which a horribly one-dimensional performance was compounded by negative tactics and the cession of a late winner to Jermain Jenas, I had more or less resigned myself to the fact that Mr Moyes had hit a glass ceiling and that after five years in the job, he'd probably taken Everton as far as he could.
Coming to that conclusion wasn't really a stretch. The squad at his disposal was almost entirely his own, consisted of some terrific players ? Mikel Arteta, Joseph Yobo, Joleon Lescott, Manual Fernandes and Andy Johnson to name five ? yet the standard of football they were playing was largely awful, the manager's tactics and substitution policy were baffling to say the least, and his conservatism in the transfer market just as frustrating.
On top of questionable deals to bring in the likes of James Beattie, Per Kroldrup and Andy van der Meyde, there was a feeling that Moyes was putting too much faith in the small squad he had and wasn't willing to bolster the team sufficiently in key areas to allow the club to push on and secure qualification for Europe.
Moyes's achievements earlier in his tenure as Everton manager gave fuel to both sides of the debate surrounding his suitability and ability to lead the club "back to the big time." His unflinching backers pointed to the enormous impact he had on the club when he joined in March 2002, the successes he'd had in the transfer market, and, of course the fact that he guided the Blues to a fourth-place finish in 2004/05.
His critics, meanwhile, highlighted those same achievements, asked why he didn't seem able to build upon them and wondered why if so many ordinary fans could pin-point the team's deficiencies couldn't the manager?
Performances like the reverse fixture against Spurs at White Hart Lane in August last year where, despite being down to 10 men, the Blues passed-and-moved their way to a handsome 2-0 win, the 3-0 demolition of Liverpool the match after that, and the comprehensive defeat of Newcastle United by the same scoreline later in the campaign all provided conclusive proof that Moyes's team could play football with the ball on the deck and efficiently put good teams to the sword. And yet there were too many occasions when his charges displayed an almost total lack of imagination and hoof-ball was the prevailing tactic.
Opinion on this website seemed to devolve into four camps: the "In Moyes We Trust Brigage", those who were congisant of the team's poor form but confident in his abilty to eventually turn things around; the "Moyes Apologists", those who were quite happy to accept mediocrity and banality on the pitch as long as it meant the club weren't battling against relegation; the "Moyes Sceptics", who were increasingly doubtful that he would be able to bring either attractive football and success to Everton on a consistent basis but were frustrated by the lack of real managerial alternatives; and, finally, the "Moyes Out" camp who felt that the time had come to cut him loose and try someone new.
That Tottenham defeat, in which the Goodison faithful in attendance that night let him know of their displeasure in no uncertain terms, turned out to be something of a watershed in the Moyes era, though. The Blues responded to that defeat with a seven-match unbeaten run ? including a 1-0 victory over Arsenal ? that went a long way to securing a top-six finish and entry into Europe via the League for the second time in three seasons.
Not only that, but the quality of their football was markedly improved, helped by the presence of Fernandes in midfield, and there was a real sense that the Blues were back on track under Moyes. He had certainly restored my faith in him ? for the first time under his stewardship, Everton had finished a season strongly and if there was evidence that he was adapting to supporters' expectations and learning from mistakes made, then he deserved further support.
Perhaps nothing illustrated the shift in my view of him more than when strong rumours began circulating late in the summer that Moyes had resigned due to frustration at the lack of transfer funds made available to him by the Board as he tried to strengthen his squad ahead of another European campaign.
MIndful of the manner in which Everton had bombed out of the Champions League and then the Uefa Cup at their respective first hurdles n 2005, not to mention the criticism he'd attracted for not landing a profilic goalscorer in the preceding transfer window and relying solely on the struggling James Beattie as a lone striker, Moyes was keen to sign personnel to cover key positions this time around. When the club entered August having signed only Phil Jagielka from Sheffield United, the fans became restless and the manager apparently had a showdown with the club hierarchy demanding financial support for his plans.
Whether or not Moyes threatened to quit, few really know for sure, but the combination of the impending closure of the transfer window and the manager's own fragile emotional state following the death of his mother led me to believe that anything was possible and I was genuinely horror-stricken at the thought of losing him. At a time when the Kirkby debate was raging and, to these eyes being handled spectacularly badly by the Board, Moyes seemed like the only sane voice with any influence at the club.
Of course, thanks to new director Robert Earl underwiting a £25m mortgage and helping fund the acquisition of Yakubu from Middlesbrough for £11.25m, the Blues were able to go into September having finally signed a goalscorer capable of knocking in something approaching 20 goals a season. Yes, there was a fair measure of frustration at the Fernandes affair (in which the Portuguese midfielder and Benfica effected a stunning volte face that saw him sign for Valencia instead of Everton) and the apparent lack of urgency in securing a replacement of comparable ability before the deadline, but Yakubu was seen by many as the answer to many of the team's problems.
By this stage, Everton made a solid start to the new season, albeit one that betrayed the schizophrenia that has characterised Moyes's side over the past two or three seasons. Again, Tottenham were swept away on their own turf by the Blues' free-flowing football but that result was followed by two comparatively disappointing displays in the 1-1 draw with Blackburn ? in itself a decent result but Moyes's side were below par ? and a limp 1-0 defeat at Reading in which the team barely seemed able to keep the ball let alone do anything positive with it.
Worse, despite scoring on his debut, Yakubu soon had Moyes's staunchest critics proclaiming another transfer blunder as he exhibited a lack of fitness and, apparently, a questionable work ethic. Disappointing results against Manchester United, Metalist Kharkiv and Aston Villa meant that the knives were out again from some quarters while others bemoaned both the lack of a top-class central midfield general and the continued deployment of the clearly inadequate Neville in that position.
Even at the time the criticism of the Yakubu signing seemed ridiculous ? not only did the player need time to adjust to a new team, his goalscoring record, second in the Premier League era only to Thierry Henry, was beyond question. Even if he wasn't the hardest working player on the pitch, he was not signed to be another workaholic like Andy Johnson ? he was signed to stick the ball in the net. Of course, as we've now all seen, the Nigerian's improved fitness and acceptance of Moyes's emphasis on teamwork is reaping rich dividends.
While Steven Pienaar, the other key acquisition of the summer, began to find his feet and the team matured rapidly over the two legs against Metalist in the Uefa Cup, it took another watershed moment to really kickstart Everton's season and spark the best run of form since Moyes took the reins in March 2002. The travesty of the "Clattenburg Derby", as it will probably forever be known, stung bitterly and helped engender the type of backs-to-the-wall, us-against-them mentality that carried the Blues to fourth place in 2005.
That side, of course, was famous for battling to a slew of 1-0 wins on the back of a dogged spirit and tight organisation that compensated for a lack of genuine quality throughout the team. The current team, enjoying a 12-match unbeaten run, has that same team ethic and indomitable attitude but is also playing the finest brand of football seen at Goodison since the golden age of the 1980s and has racked up a +15 goal difference thus far ? the team of 2004/05 raised eyebrows by finishing in the top four with a negative goal difference!
It's worth pausing to acknowledge that of those 12 games without defeat in all competitions, Everton have won ten! Temper that with the fact that they have failed to beat any of the "big four" so for this season if you like, but it's still a startling statistic for a team that has long been prone to inconcsistency, and it encompasses three impressive wins in Europe, a 7-1 mauling of Sunderland, two victories over big-spending West Ham and qualfication for the League Cup semi-finals.
And, again, it's been achieved with no small measure of style, panache and eye-catching football, something that some felt they would never regularly see under David Moyes. Between Pienaar, Tim Cahill, Leon Osman and Mikel Arteta, the Blues have one of the most dynamic ? and underrated ? midfields in the division and with every game they seem to get better and more instincitive in their use of the ball.
In addition to Yakubu's increasing effectiveness and the pressure that Pienaar takes off Arteta's shoulders, one of the keys to the recent success has been the presence of Tim Cahill and the renewed effectiveness of the 4-1-4-1 formation. It can't be a coincidence that the Australian's return from a lengthy absence came at the start of this recent magnificent run. His goals and box-to-box presence were a big feature of the 2004/05 season and he is again making that five-man midfield system work by pulling defences out of shape and providing an aerial threat from set-pieces, giving more space for the striker and the flair players to work their magic.
Of course, while the players make it all happen on the pitch the credit must go to Moyes for putting it all together and working at getting the players at his disposal to play to their full potential. If the manager gets the stick when things are going badly, he more than deserves the plaudits for this wonderful spell we're all enjoying.
Naturally, and he is the first to admit it, Moyes hasn't won anything yet and his quest to land the Blues' first trophy of the new century has been made all the more difficult not only by the huge financial resources available to the big-money four but aso the significant investment poured into the likes of Portsmouth, Manchester City and Newcastle United. Despite being unbeaten in seven in the league, the Blues only just returned to the top six in the Premier League this past weekend with victory at Upton Park. And with Manchester United and Arsenal to play before the end of the year, there is always the danger that they could lose touch with the top four places if they aren't able to take their season to the next level and start beating teams of that ilk.
And if there is one outstanding gripe about our esteemed manager, it's his transfer policy which, for me, has lacked urgency and decisiveness in recent seasons. I said at the time ? and I believe my feelings were fully vindicated by what followed ? that the failure to sign an out-and-out goalscorer to compliment or provide competition for James Beattie in the summer of 2005 was a massive oversight.
Similarly, the lack of a dominant attacking central midfield force has never really been addressed by Moyes and, along with another striker, should have been the priority this past summer. Now, admittedly, the funds haven't always been there and then when they were the Fernandes affair was unexpected, cruel, and largely beyond Moyes's control, but he has an opportunity to remedy the situation this January.
If the injury to Leon Osman and imending departure of Steven Pienaar for the African Nations Cup show anything, it's that there is little or no depth below the core midfield unit on which the recent rich vein of form has been founded. Yes, there are "filler" options like Neville, McFadden and Jagielka ? though the latter is needed in defence ? but none of the three are a straight replacement. Thomas Gravesen, meanwhile, seems to have some serious fitness concerns of his own, his almost complete absence from action since joining on loan from Celtic prompting rumours that his legs "have gone". We might find out on Thursday against Alkmaar where he's been tipped to make his first start for Everton this season.
While Moyes's rhetoric concerning his plans for the upcoming transfer window started out in a promising manner, they have been ratcheted down a few notches within the past fortnight and, worryingly for those pining for a big-name midfield acquisition to give a real shot in the arm for our hopes in the second half of the season, now seem to center on one loan signing.
Depending, of course, on the calibre of the player in question, that would be disappointing. Realistically, we need at least two first-class players to add to the likes of Arteta, Osman, Pienaar and Cahill, and better options at right back ? arguably the last weak link in an otherwise very strong side ? while the search for a long-term replacement for Lee Carsley should really start now. He has been such a valuable presence in front of the back line and finding his successor may turn out to be one of Moyes's most important tasks.
No one knows what he's really planning, of course, but he has been pretty true to his word recently which means that we are unlikely to see much action in the transfer market next month, unless Osman's injury or a bid for James McFadden that can't be refused forces a re-think. Moyes's past record shows that he has a keen eye for spotting affordable talent out of which he can get the most bang for his buck and it's encouraging to hear him say that he is now shopping in a different market given the team's progression to the European stage. His choice of player is less of a concern now than his apparent lack of urgency in bringing them on board.
All in all, if the past couple of months have shown us anything it's that David Moyes has perhaps for the time being banished most doubts that he is the right man for the Everton job. Not only is he delivering both the results and the playing style expected at Goodison Park but has shown that he is wlling and able to adapt not only to those expectations but also from game to game and season to season. You only have to look at the patience his team exhibited and the manner in which they slowed the game down against Zenit St Petersburg to see how much both players and manager had learned not ony from the nightmare of 2005 but also from the Kharkiv games just a few weeks previously.
Furthermore, Everton's experience compared to the revolving door at St James Park and the lack of managerial stability at White Hart Lane provide clear examples of what continuity in the hot seat ? or the lack thereof ? can do to a team. Moyes is Everton's longest-serving manager since Howard Kendall (mk I) and it shows in his record which is now the club's best of the Premier League era.
Bill Kenwright clearly gave no thought to going back on the best move of his chairmanship and replacing Moyes so I'm not surprised to still be talking about him as Everton manager. What I didn't expect was to be talking in such glowing terms and so soon after the low-point of 22nd February. It speaks volumes of how far he has come that people are comparing the current feeling around the side to 1984 when the Blues were on cusp of brilliance. Long may that feeling continue and if it brings half the trophy haul managed by the team of the mid-80s... well, I think we'd be over the moon!
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I have always appreciated David Moyes for what he has done in helping stabilize the club following what was poor period under Walter Smith. However, I also had my doubts about how far Moyes can take us and have always been vocal in my opinion from my seat in the Main Stand when I am not happy with things on the pitch, especially the apparent dithering over substitutions ? maybe it was differences of opinion between Moyes and Irvine?. Having said that I could not come up with a viable replacement for him so was, to an extent, prepared to put up with mediocrity on occasion in the hope that things would turn around.
Like you, the Tottenham game last February still rankles and I was all for cutting Moyes adrift with immediate effect after that game, but since then we have come on in leaps and bounds. I am happy to savour and enjoy what is happening on the pitch lately and the progress we have made, but without building my hopes up too much as I recognize that we still have a very long way to go to be a consistent contender for the top four places or to win trophies.
If I was to be critical of the team now it is that we are guilty of giving the opposition a little too much respect, instead of realizing how good this team really is. We should be going for the jugular like we did against a poor Sunderland side. I have no expectation for the AZ game as I think we will be resting the majority of our first choice players, the end of the unbeaten run is very possible.
Let us hope that the forthcoming games against Man U, Bolton and Arsenal do not see us reverting to the disappointing EFC we have been accustomed to! Come on Blues, you know you can do it.
There is always a new challenge in football and I shall reserve my position until we can see how he copes with the inevitable injuries and the ANC. Remember, Moyes has had too many ’split seasons’where the whole character of his team has changed for good or ill after Xmas.
For a man ’who never makes excuses’he sure makes a lot of them but this time they may not be so readily accepted.The first 5 months of 2008 should tell us, once and for all, whether he truly is ’The Moyesiah’ Personally,I have my doubts!
Yes he has made mistakes but has learnt from them. Look at our European venture this time - much more professional.
Of all the clubs in the league if you look at the biggest transformation in the last 5-6 years then I think it has to be us. For me that makes DM the best manager in the league.
I had a little bit of concern when we lost Irvine, because I did not know truly what his role has been during Moyes Reign, but it has soon become apparent who is running the show from top to bottom-Moyes, and he has to be given credit.
Ironic the timing of this post, with our next premiership game being against a Scottish manager once accused of being unable to awaken a sleeping giant... . .. . .
It is too easy to look for the pitfalls and we all know where we could do with strengthening for the future but for now lets enjoy and give credit to Moyes and Kenwright. If they continue to bring in 2/3 players each transfer to strengthen the squad then it is all good, they cannot afford to bring in 4 top end players to cover for Jan etc. I accept that so just hope that maybe 2 loan players or 1 signing and loan would help to cover the gay left by osman and pienaar. Elsewhere I feel we have the cover. What would opinion be on Fernandes coming back on loan? I know it is not ideal but he would fill the gap, and would Everton consider shopping at the dark side (I think we know who)??
To end credit where it is due, if we continue to show the same sort of improvement over the next 5 years..... COYB!
His only excuse left now and it is a good one is it’s not a level playing field money wise. So unless Everton start making decent money soon then I think he’ll realise his full potential elsewhere.
If you had a little more patience you wouldn’t have to right such long articles explaining your past criticisms. Following Everton is a struggle.........that’s why the patch we are in at the moment is so enjoyable and long may it continue. There are times (lots of them) I have walked away from GP questioning ’why do I put myself through this, every week?’ It was ruining my weekends. You stay because you always hope for better (NSNO) Forgive me, I stopped reading half way down, though I appreciate you are praising the manager in parts. The language you use......... Moyesiah........is inviting criticism . I think he has done a cracking job whether we lose to Man U on Sunday and even if we blip in January. I hope it doesn’t happen but I can sense the vultures over the horizon waiting to pick him off. We’re lucky to have him and well done BK for spotting the talent and persevering with him.
Your view is your view so it’s not necessarily right or wrong. Now, your judgement.....??
Here?s hoping for that big central Midfielder in Jan to bring us to the next level!
Weasel words (my caps) if ever I saw them. This sums up the fickleness of most fans. Surely you can only judge a manager (or player) over the long term, not a two month purple patch. We’ve had these before under Moyes so instead of everyone going overboard and singing his praises we should wait and see (no forecasts). The minimum success should be European qualification every year.
Thats what I keep telling myself, because its true, and the curve we’re on keeps going upward (at least for the moment). I keep saying Moyes needs more time, and whilst the team is improving, but still needs improving, Moyes still needs more time.
Moyessiah? He hasn’t achieved anything yet
After youre stance prior, its nice to see someone with balls admitting that perhaps they got it wrong with Moyes - a really good article.
The only thing missing now is to start taking points regularly off the "big four".
Apologies Mr Moyes.
When he came (Moyes) he had to steady the ship, let the doubters walk the plank, lets see the ship sail to the golden sunset, we must hope that moyes signs a new contract after christmas.
?David Moyes has perhaps for the time being banished most doubts that he is the right man for the Everton job.?
I believe that it is plain to see that David Moyes is building a decent side season by season. That?s not to say that the progress may dip (eg if just one of our vital players get tempted by more money) and I fully believe that if that happens the loons will be back out in force. Still some may have learnt what the statistics and now finally the football clearly show.
Year on year, DM had to play a balancing game in retaining sufficient squad numbers whilst replenishing an aging stock with younger, more talented players, who would accrue in value. He gets a massive tick in that box for achieving that.
That he achieved a fourth place finish with such a limited squad in his early years should be another reason to praise the man, not to use it as a stick to beat him with because it wasn?t easily repeated. Nor was it a fluke as so many wish to suggest because of other teams? failures. For 33 league games, from September until the end of the season, EFC were never out of the top four.
What that team had was an indomitable team spirit and a cantankerous nature that simply didn?t surrender. That was created by Moyes ? yet even now we still hear the occasional squeak that ?Moyes has lost the dressing room?. What bollox! The team ethos which has always been a key element in DM?s Everton AND his transfer policy ? how will a new player gel? ? was the foundation stone. That has been built on with more skilled, more athletic, more energetic players. And we are now reaping the rewards of what DM has instilled in players who wish to play for EFC.
You go on to question what you perceive as DM?s conservatism in the transfer market. Conservatism? This man has spent BIG! He has broken the club transfer record THREE TIMES, each time on a striker. It is far too easy to say in hindsight that certain players were bad buys. Any and every purchase has a degree of risk in the transfer market. There is no gilt edged guarantee that the signing will work out. You mention JB, Kroldrup and AvdM as ?questionable? deals. There were far more people happier at the time of their signing then against. And did he dither when he shipped Kroldrup out in the first available transfer window? No he did not. And what a replacement he got in the return of Stubbsie.
I totally disagree with this continued ?ditherer? moniker applied to DM. I consider him contrary ? decisive, determined and bold. He DOES identify the team?s needs and DOES go for the targets. He cannot always land them, but then when he fails to get his targets and mindful of the club?s tight budget, he doesn?t compromise. He has said many times, unless an incoming player improves on what he already has, he won?t buy him. That is not dithering in my book. That is a clear, decisive policy ? and one I agree with.
Your suggestion that Moyes hasn?t sort to address the lack (as you perceive it) of a dominant attacking central midfielder doesn?t stand up to inspection. Putting aside whether that is what the team truly needs, or whether the composition of the current team and its different components collectively offer that, he has regularly gone after what HE sees as the team?s needs ? a younger, talented holding midfielder such as Essien (way before he appeared on Chelsea?s radar), Scott Parker, Carrick, Emre, Sissoko and Sidwell. To that list we can add the shameful scenario of Manu on the cusp of the season. Given that Fernandes had trained with us for a week, appeared as the guest of honour at the Blackburn game and was signing autographs, only for the next day to be whisked off to Valencia, gave DM little or not time to find an adequate substitute. There are mitigating circumstances in all of those as to why he didn?t land them at the time, but for you to imply that you personally and others can identify the team?s needs better than the manager who works with the squad every day is, frankly, arrogant nonsense.
You worry at DM?s ?rhetoric? concerning the upcoming transfer window. Pay attention to what the man consistently says and does. An oft repeated statement by him is January is not the best time to buy.
You also identify the Tottenham defeat at GP as some defining moment in DM?s time with EFC. I thought at the time the criticism of DM and the team was a knee-jerk one and nothing since has changed my mine. You mention that after that defeat we went on a seven-match unbeaten run. Check the records. BEFORE the Spurs defeat, we had lost just one in eight. So we WERE already on the right path, but people didn?t want to see it.
You describe Everton?s early season form as ?schizophrenic? ? as if it was a state of mind, a disease transmitted from Moyes’s to his team. It was typical early season form, with new signings and injured players either bedding down or returning to the side. Nothing deeper than that. Now, we are reaping the reward of all the hard work and reconstruction of the team that DM has steadily been affecting since day one when he arrived from Preston. Yes, we are still playing a little bit of catch up in the league, BUT!! Would you agree that City, Pompey, Villa and the ?poo are all having good seasons? Yet we are above two of them, equal on points with a third and only City are currently higher than us, even with the heavy fixture schedule we have had to cope with. He and the team are clearly doing very, very well on all fronts.
As for Brian Noble?s comment in this thread, ?For a man ?who never makes excuses? he sure makes a lot of them?? I totally, TOTALLY disagree with your assessment of Moyes. For me, he tells it like it is, be it for or against his team and their performance. I honestly do not think there is a manager in the Premiership today with greater honesty and integrity than DM. I am proud that he is our manager, and I am proud that BK and the board have stuck with him to the benefit of the club.
So? what do my comments make me? An IMWT, an apologist?? Labels and stereotyping are lazy ways to dismiss the opinions of others. And whilst I respect the thoughtful nature of your piece Lyndon, there is a great deal of it that I simply do not agree with.
I remember us having 40 points on new years day when we qualified fot the CL qualifiers, only just scraping that.
Brian Noble is right. Moyes has had too many split seasons, so hold the front pages as far as the comparisons with the team of the 80s goes.
managers are judged by what they achieve with regards trophies etc.
We have none of that yet !
If this is deemed negative or heratic by some, then tough shit.
It is FACT !
Yes we can all hope and dream and i like the rest of you hope those dreams come to reality. But untill they do the FACT is we have achieved nothing yet.
But obviously that’s not going to stop you airing gripes about what you perceive as his (unproven, by the way) weakness in the transfer market.
Patience and panic - bit of the former and less of the latter would do everyone good.
Come on, it sounds like you are just waiting for a fall so you can say ’told you so.’ Moyes has had split seasons - yes. However, you cannot deny the steady improvement that has occured in Everton since he became manager.
I agree, that managers should ultimately be judged by what trophies they win. But come on, get realistic. I honestly dont believe that there is a single manager in the world who could have brought Everton success in any competition based on the current league situation, the squad Moyes inherited, the money available and the time he has had on board.
Okay, say, we won the FA cup or the Carling cup one year but where still lingering in the bottom of the table. Would this satisfy you????? No, I thought not. You have unrealistic expections for a club that had been in steady decline up to the point Moyes came on board.
Life is not linear, there are ups and downs. The simple fact is that Everton are significantly better than they were when Moyes first came on board. Also, it would appear that they are still improving.
What more can a fan ask for??
Everton missed the boat when the premiership was formed and like it or not we were left a long long way behind the leading pack.
What have been your realistic aspirations for Everton in the past few years? Please do day ’cause I really cannot understand where people with your kind of comments are comming from. I would kike to know.
Brian Noble, Dave Lynch and a few others who are still living in the mid-80s - wake up and get some realism into your lives! - we were regular relegation favourites when Moyes took over FACT!- we are now top 6/europe favourites FACT!
Year on year we have to progressed under DM and as long as that continues I for one will be happy FACT!
However, on this occasion I feel obliged to take issue with Dave Lynch.
Whilst it is tru to say that the team under Moyes has not yet won any recognised trophies, I think you are quite wrong to say that the team has ’achieved nothing yet’.
Progress is measurable and in the case of a professional football club, league placings are the measure of that progress.
If you honestly believe that the league positions that EFC achieve and aspire to now, are no differnt to those achieved before David Moyes became manager, then I do not think that you can, or will, ever recognise the marked improvement acheived over the past five and a half years.
Much has already been written about why the rate of change was, of necessity, slow.
Suffice to say that, in my eyes, I don’t think David Moyes has taken us anywhere near as far as he can. I believe that we are only now on the brink of phase two of his development of this club.
I further believe that we are witnessing the birth of a dynasty similar to that started by Shankly and that in time Moyes’s name will be mentioned in the same way.
What he has achieved so far, with the resources availabel - has been remarkable.
what’s more, I believe that , in the words of the late Al Joleson ’You ain’t seen nothing yet’.
The team ,the captain ,the manager, the asst. coach,the tea laqdies, the board and most importantly the supporters.
We have that now from most except the supporters.
Instead of all doubting if 40000 evertonians had confidence and belief in this team there is nowhere that would not take us.
That is exactly what Shankly set up at Liverpool and what happened under HK.
So lets get behind the club and dream of a return to the 80?s.
COYB
The point i am trying to make is this.
Some people to my mind are getting ahead of themselves in thinking what we CAN achieve.
What we CAN and what we actually DO are worlds apart.
Look at the barcodes under Keegan. Loads of talent and playing great footy, but no end result.
Andy. I would have been more than happy with a Carling or FA cup won whilst we where lingering at the foot of the table because it would have given us something to latch onto in the way of success, albeit minor.
Stuart. I have never compared this team to the 80s team. Lots of others have on this site. Hence the comment.
For the record. I actually like Moyes, in that he stands by his convictions and doesn’t look for scapegoats, unlike other Spanish managers i could mention.
I just think we should keep tight lipped about how good we think we are.
But it’s only an opinion.
Let’s hope we never have to experience that Moyes.
It’s just that your original post in particular read as a negative view in terms of what DM has, and will, achieve - and that I DON’T agree with.
I firmly believed for a long time that Moyes was destined to be a great manager, and that was gradually eroded until I became a fully-fledged sceptic after the February Spurs game, where his unwarranted fear nearly cost us a European place.
Like every other blue, I’m delighted with the current run, and I think we’re seeing the best Everton side since the 80’s, but I won’t become over-excited until we see what we end up with and what Moyes does in the summer transfer market.
One good purple patch doesn’t make a great manager any more than one poor run does.
I hope the people who have remained stoically in the "Moyesiah camp" eventually have the last laugh. Meanwhile, I’m enjoying the ride!
I see where you are coming from more now. I thought you were slating Moyes a bit more than you actually where.
I agree with not getting carried away and not comparing the current team to the eighties one.
I also actually share your opinion of keeping tight lipped about how good we think we are and our current run of form. You never know after all. Although I am now of the opinion that Moyes is as good as I originally thought he was - Watch me slagging him off next time we have a bad run ;)
?set up the team to play in the most effective way that suits the abilities of the players available
?improve the players he has, skills and tactical nous, with a good coaching set-up
?improve the squad within the financial limits imposed by the clubs? circumstances
?be able to alter the team and the way it plays in games to suit the needs of the situation
?brook no arguments from players and few from directors
Does that sound like Arsene Wenger?
It?s a lot to ask but David Moyes has done better at most of these than anyone at EFC in the last twenty years and at many other clubs in the same time. I don?t think that Alex Ferguson has shown any real ability to improve players he buys, Rooney?s discipline notwithstanding, for example. And I think that Gerrard has won the argument about where he will play despite Benitez?s accurate judgement about his too undisciplined approach to a central midfield role. The special one set up a talented team to play a particular, very successful way with plenty of people to slot in when needed.
My criticism of Moyes in the past has been his moving from a very effective 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 when we never had the midfield to make it work. We were lucky against Metallist to get away with both this set-up and the tactical indiscipline shown by James McFadden. (See last bullet point.) Whether the return to 4-5-1, coinciding with our run lately, was deliberate or a desperate measure we?ll never know but until we have a big strong central midfield player who can do box-to-box it?s the only game in town. There aren?t many Patrick Viera?s going spare but I?d be interested to see Kevin Nolan doing that for us.
I?ve also wondered about the wisdom of his changes in-game. The Spurs game last year started badly in the way the team was set up and slipped into the depths from there. That said, credit to him when we?ve been down to 10 men when he has often played 4-3-2 to retain possession in the other half.
If I?ve a real doubt still about whether he will have it all as a manager it is this final point about changing personnel and a system soon enough to make a difference when it?s needed. Attention to detail can bring relative success but excellence is only achieved when you take calculated risks on the margins.
Therefore, I hope to see a couple of players brought in during January, preferably a central defender and agressive, attacking midfielder. Things can turn quickly in football and we have 2 major benchmark games coming up against 2 of the so called Big 4. Get 4 points and play well in those games and I think we’ll spring forward again.
I’ve always had faith in David Moyes and it may yet take a bit longer to actually win something, but we’re getting much closer and he’s certainly raised expectations. Good on yer, Moyesie!
Stick with him. This is no blip. This is progress. This is Everton heading back to the top. And some of us have known this for years
We were in a HORRENDOUS state when Moyes arrived and were on a very fast and slippy path downwards. Do you not remember?
How do you think the so called Big 4 managers would do if they had arrived at their clubs with the squad and lack of confidence Moyes inherited when he arrived at Goodison? Add to that the comparison in what those manager?s can spend compared to Moyes. He?s turning it around at Goodison faster than any of those clowns could have. But when I say "fast" many of you will say....now just a minute there ..... he?s had 5 years. Well, considering where we were to where we are today, that is fast my blue friends. Now players want to come to Everton and, importantly, they want to stay there. That in itself is a major achievement.
The modern attitude of fans (and directors) is give me success and give it to me now. Unfortunately life and football don?t work like that. I?m afraid just because we were once a huge club does not give us a divine right to any silver ware today. That has to be worked at, and to me, Moyes is getting us there quicker than any balding spic with a dead ferret on his chin could. Be grateful we?ve got him. Be grateful we?re climbing the ladder again and not propping it up.
Wibble.
I agree with every word of it. I’ve always been an admirer of Moyes, but I have felt that his perceived dithering in the transfer market & his emphasis on defensive football, were his weak points & his potential downfall.
The Spurs game was DEFINITELY a turning point, because for the 1st time, the boos were aimed at him & him alone - the guy has learned from it & whilst there’s been many false dawns over the years - the feeling that we’re within touching distance of greatness again - is tangible...
The impending transfer window, could decide our fate this season - 2 quality midfield additions & we’ll be able to sustain a challenge this seaon IMO.
Abso-fucking-lootley spot on! Your post captured exactly what I felt but had lost the will to say. I dread the next few weeks/months on Toffeeweb when the "anti-Moyes" brigade jump on the various "when Moyes seen the light" bandwaggons to justify their lack of faith in a man who has done so much to put us back at the business end of the premiership.
Brendan’s comment about back-to-back wins reminds me of my favorite coaching quote. It came from an American football coach from Texas named Bum Phillips.
’A good coach is someone who can take his’un and beat your’un one week, and take your’un and beat his’un the next week.’
12 games ago you would take him or leave him. 10 wins and two draws later your happy as pie.
Its very well written Lyndon with some excellent points and I agree with it 99%... I just cant help wonder, if we lose the next ten will you want him out again?
Moyes is the best things thats happened to our great club since I was a kid. I wish I could remember the 80’s but I was only born in 1980 so I can’t really. I went of course, but I struggle to remember anything more than Reidy with the League Championship trophy on the final day. oh how i would love to see it all for myself again.
chelsea - bring them on. we can beat anyone at Goodison in a night game.
I would not argue with your 4 types of Moyes opinions, I used to swing between 3 and 4.
The IMWT lot were either discerning or had a triple shot expresso of the bitter java the apologista’s were sipping.
Christmas, goodwill toward ALL men not withstanding, The ones that REALLY PISSED ME OFF, those results are everything, happy with midtable coz we’ve got no billionaire, and it’s better than Walters squad, mediocrity munchers, who put a spoon in a bowl of 11th placed shite and then tried to tell me it was chocolate, APOLOGISTS.
Those same ones who are now strutting around on the back of a 12 match streak saying to all and sundry ...look at us, see how good we are....takes deep breath and blood pressure tablet.
There, I do feel better.
Merry Christmas to one and all... including apologists.
A good measure of Everton’s progress will be how they fare against Chelsea in the cup, going toe to toe against sides like Man U and Arsenal in the league and meeting far more testing foreign opposition in the UEFA. Finishing in the top six this season will also mean we have to despatch of sides like Tottenham, Man City and Portsmouth at home. More good markers
I’m very happy that things have been much better for Moyes in recent times though I only wish that the penny would have dropped far quicker on certain matters earlier in the season, namely not playing Neville in midfield, giving Carsley and Pienaar starts and not instructing route one all the bloody time. When everybody around is you screaming that something is so obviously wrong (Neville in midfield, Hibbert, Route one, McFadden’s blind alleys and wayward passing) it does make you wonder/worry about the manager’s ideas on things. Although I’ve vehemently criticised Moyes in the past, by the same token I’ve also said that I want him to do well and enlist any help to this end. Can’t help thinking that a really good foreign technical assistant may just add a new dimension and help us get to where we want to be playing wise.
Moyes undoubtedly has passion and passion is what Everton FC is all about. I hope resources are made available and utilised in January to strengthen on the most tangible progress in his managerial tenure to date
I’m not saying that as a "Moyes Apologist", I think I’d be in the B category, but hopefully now WHEN things do go slightly awry, it will only be the die-hard Moyes Haters calling for his head.
Let’s hope for some more great results over the festive period COYB!!!
"Arrogant nonsense", well, I couldn’t have put it better myself.
I believe there’s still an unfilled vacancy with the first team staff; perhaps Lyndon could throw his cv in?
If only he could do something about that red hair!
Ask yourself, what in reality can Everton acheive in the next 5 years? The title, unlikely; Champions League (and I mean winning it, not getting a place), even more unlikely; UEFA Cup - definite probability; domestic cup- even better probalility; regular top 5 Prem. finish, hell, why not.
Everton, and also Blackburn, are examples of why you should stick with a Manager - Newcastle, Tottenham even more so.
Sorting out the ground and getting some big investment are holding back Everton far more than Mr Moyes.
Moyes is giving us good times, and I for one am enjoying it.
Just look back to the tenure of Walter Smith who left moyes with an ageing squad,not only did he have to ship out the dross that was ginola,Gascoigne and blomquist et seq.he had to build a young keen squad who wanted to wear the blue shirt of EFC.Five years ago players such as Arteta would have left a long time ago to seek pastures new.How long is it since we can sense great things on the horizon.The winning mentality is now built into the squad and moyes is trying different formations at present to compensate for the loss of the squad to the ANC.
the EFC doubters worry me as this is the best squad we have had since the halcyon days of the mid eighties.You have to appreciate that this side would have been challenging for the championship twenty odd years ago but we now live in different times.
This team is similar to the 83/84 team which was on the up.
I appreciate that i my sound the eternal optimist but having just lost to Man U in the last minute at Old Trafford after we have frightened the life out of them proves that hopefully this is not a ’purple patch’ but a side that is becoming more consistent and feared by other clubs.
Congratulations to the boys on the 6-1 drubbing of Brann last night and all the best for the Fiorentina game. Course, the ideal outcome for the season this year would be winning the Uefa Cup AND beating the Reds to that fourth spot.
We can do it too, with this squad. Good write up, by the way. Let?s just hope we continue to build on it all... let the good times roll!!


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