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Does the media hate us, we Evertonians?

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I just did a quick news search on Everton and the most common titles are: ?Tottenham's charm offensive may tempt David Moyes from Everton?; ?Everton's Marouane Fellaini will not rule out move to 'ambitious club'?; ?Baines flattered by Man Utd interest and won?t dismiss a transfer?; ?Everton boss David Moyes has funding issues and may leave?; ?Tim Cahill would love to play for the Saudis?? etc. etc. etc.

I mean everything that is good for Everton has to leave the club according to the media. And, this is nothing new; it has been the same for the last couple of years.

What?s wrong with the media? Don?t they have a word or two in support for the club and the fans? It seems that if the manager is great so the media ponders how he should move away from the club! If a player is great, then again the media transfers him right away as a target for another club.

It's all pure speculation but the media would simply not miss the opportunity. It?s so frustrating to read the news about Everton every summer. Please let them have a piece of your mind.
Sur Jo, Michigan     Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:50:54

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Lyndon Lloyd
044   Posted 15/06/2012 at 06:47:38

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It's simple, really. We finished the season strongly and have a highly coveted manager and some very desirable players, none of whom are at a media darling club.

Add the lull in the transfer market as all eyes are trained on Euro2012 and you have the ideal conditions for media mischief to fill their column inches, virtual or otherwise.

Nothing about hatred. It's just inevitable.

Paul Doyle
047   Posted 15/06/2012 at 07:04:41

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We are the Millwall of the Premier League, so fuck them all. Maybe it goes back to the sixties when Catterick fucked all the media off from Bellefield and soft arse Shankly invited every twat in to "mesmerise" them with his ramblings... seems like they have never forgotten this.

Alan Clarke
049   Posted 15/06/2012 at 07:21:25

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The real kick in the knackers is when the media write about what a great chairman Kenwright is.
Seb Gordon
054   Posted 15/06/2012 at 07:58:33

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Agree with both posts. It's not hatred, just lazy journalism. The idea of us as a selling club is an easy narrative for journalists to perpetuate and these stories help sell newspapers. The solution is for the club to give them something better to write about.
Kevin Sparke
064   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:45:40

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The media is crammed full of ex kopites and wannabe kopites - I'm not just talking presenters and reporters but the back room boys like producers directors even cameramen - they'll take any opportunity to do us down.

That's my theory anyway, which sits alongside that we didn't really go to the moon and the CIA killed Elvis...

Only one of these theories is probably true.

Tom Dodds
065   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:48:46

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Can we stop referriing to those pigs as journalists,they are no more journalists than calling the cook in a little chef, a chef.
Ged Simpson
067   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:53:26

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All are true Kevin !

I think it is just their obsession with money and the related celebrity status of the big clubs.

If we were to get near, never mind in, the hallowed top 4 again then the news coverage would be even funnier. It would be similar to coverage that would have happened if I'd have gone on Sky and claimed I was a forgotten member of the royal family during the Jubilee weekend.

Dave Charles
069   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:51:10

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I don't bother much in what the media says. I remember 1985, we were playing some great football but the media still went with Spurs for the title until we beat them at WHL. We gained some credit then.

Good point Kevin makes about the amount of ex-LFC players or so called fans that have positions among TV and radio. Everytime you listen to talksport, it sounds like a Liverpool love in. That's not having a go at the club by the way.

Bob Willis
073   Posted 15/06/2012 at 09:24:38

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Media?.........fuck 'em all !!
Ged Simpson
075   Posted 15/06/2012 at 09:27:19

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Best comment re media on the whole site Bob.

Nothing more to say.

You read my mind.

Ray Roche
076   Posted 15/06/2012 at 09:29:06

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Have we been to the moon !??
John Ford
080   Posted 15/06/2012 at 09:39:34

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Media.......schmedia! Rodents
Peter Barry
087   Posted 15/06/2012 at 10:07:57

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Ray Roche # 076 I think Kevin is using the Royal "We" meaning mankind in general not the British or Evertonians in particular. BTW did the CIA really feed Elvis all those cheeseburgers?
Kevin Sparke
088   Posted 15/06/2012 at 10:17:36

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Indeed Peter - If Kenwright would have been head of the space programme we wouldn't have even reached The Rocket roundabout...

Kevin Jones
093   Posted 15/06/2012 at 10:32:09

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I've never read such bollocks in all my life, Anyone with any sense whatsoever knows Elvis is still alive, and drives the 500 to Speke
Kevin Sparke
095   Posted 15/06/2012 at 10:53:59

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PS Talk to any Kopite and they'll tell you that the media is run by Sir Alex Ferguson and the Manchester United Illuminati...
Matt Traynor
098   Posted 15/06/2012 at 11:13:43

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As Dave Charles touches on above, we've never really been media-centric. In the 80s when we were briefly sweeping all aside, there was a grudging respect.

The media has always had a fascination with Man U, and in the 80s when they were always flattering to deceive, they never really gave them much of a hard time. It was to their collective relief when Man U started winning.

Part of it is to do with the "celebrity" attached to footballers. George Best on a bed with a Miss World, loads of cash and champagne was gold to them. With the advent of the Premier League, the media have poured £billions into the game, which clubs collectively have stupidly given to players, to reinforce the celebrity.

Next time you read a tabloid, see how much space is given to the antics of players (outside of the actual match) or their WAGs.

Man City's owners bought into City as a vanity project. Even Balotelli's antics are great PR. A football agent told me that they get 3000 global mentions in the media every day, and that's the return on their investment they wanted.

Barry Rathbone
099   Posted 15/06/2012 at 11:18:44

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Paranoid crap.

I live in the midlands have done since before the Kendal glory years, as soon as Kendal got us challenging then winning the papers were chocca full of us, even the local press.

The big fish attract the press - we are minnows under BK & DM.

Roberto Birquet
103   Posted 15/06/2012 at 11:36:44

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Barry
we are minnows under BK & DM
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Aawgh
We'd be even smaller minnows were we not under DM.
sgnd, Penfold.
Kevin Sparke
108   Posted 15/06/2012 at 11:26:15

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Actually, if we're being serious about this - you can trace Everton's weak media footprint back to Catterick's obsession with secrecy and subsequent low media profile. Newspaper journalists were not welcomed with open arms at Everton, hardly ever given interviews and TV journalists, especially of the BBC kind were given short shrift by the great man.

In contrast, over at the other side of the park Shanks was much different and I'd argue he was the first 'media manager' closely followed by Clough and Malcolm Allison - who used the media to build up their own personal profile and the teams they managed.

The cub reporters of the 1960s became the mainstream in the 1980s and 1990s and had built up good relationships with certain clubs - Everton not being one of them and so we were ignored or only granted grudging respect from some in the media. Evidence for this is a club like Spurs who have not won the league since 1961 but who have a media profile much larger than Everton's (Media profile as defined by how frequently they appear, how in depth, and how favourable)

Also, you have to take into account the fact that we've hardly set the world alight during the Premier League era and the media largely operate on a simple principle - give them what will attract advertising revenue. (The BBC being the honourable exception)

Lastly - do you know that there are a generation of kids who are growing up thinking that our full name is 'And-finally Everton'

Roberto Birquet
110   Posted 15/06/2012 at 11:41:28

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Actually, the headlines don't half show the desperation of summer journalism.

Everton's Marouane Fellaini will not rule out move to 'ambitious club'?; In other words, he did not say he was leaving Everton...but we also noticed he did not say he wouldn't. He also didn't say that he was not a transvestite...you read it here first...

?Baines flattered by Man Utd interest and won?t dismiss a transfer?; exactly the same tagline: "won't rule out, won't dismiss" - the same desperate language to insinuate he's looking to leave, even though he said "I am at a great club, and a club I love": Baines also did not dismiss that he listens to Bob the Builder in the dressing room before a match!


?Everton boss David Moyes has funding issues and may leave?; Extra, extra, read all about it: Everton do not have transfer funds;
...and "may leave", equally "may not leave"...and... "may check for text messages; it may be from D Levy, Equally, it may be from his dad...

Tim Cahill would love to play for the Saudis?? Or rather Cahill was asked a question to a local journo, while in the Middle East and said he liked the sun in the Middle East, and was flattered...blah blah

Chris Owens
114   Posted 15/06/2012 at 12:00:42

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Even if we do manage to bring in a couple of high quality players, do any of us really feel confident that we won?t sell at least one of our top names, probably on the last day, so there?s no time to spend the money? (Rooney, Lescott, Arteta). Don?t blame the press for predicting more of the same.
Eric Myles
124   Posted 15/06/2012 at 12:31:29

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It's not just the last couple of years Sur Jo (sorry to be formal just can't figure out what's your first name or last name) I remember the same form the Liverpool Echo when I was a kid 40 odd years ago.
Dean Adams
155   Posted 15/06/2012 at 14:30:43

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Instead of being pissed off with the stories of our players potentially being transfer targets, why dont we feel happy that our players are deemed good enough to be at the so called top four/five. Why do we always look at things in the negative?
Andy Crooks
179   Posted 15/06/2012 at 17:57:24

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I just don't get the media against Everton thing. David, and Bill to some extent, are loved by the media.
Michael Summers
180   Posted 15/06/2012 at 17:46:25

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The media have never given us the credit we deserve. All we ever hear is that Everton have over-achieved again a word coined by that Lawrenson. Even in the eighties when we were winining trophies we never got any credit from the TV or media, it was all the fucking red shite and also united who didn't even win fuck all and it's still the same now and will always remain that way. COYB
Damian Brathwaite
195   Posted 15/06/2012 at 19:21:33

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Does anyone believe that, with Liverpool FC boycotting the Sun newspaper, this had a negative effect on how we are portrayed? Journalists move from job to job, newspaper to newspaper and TV to Radio, and their negativity could spread. Sometimes after a good win I find it hard to find a write up about us in any national tabloid, we are hidden somewhere at the back of the centre spread where no one can spot are results.

So, by boycotting Murdoch's rag, have we as a club inadvertinately upset his evil empire, that has tentacles stretching all the way up to goverment? Even so, why have scousers and the City of Liverpool had minimal and negative press over the years?

What also baffles me is the lack of Evertonian pundits on the TV who really are as biased as Hansen and Co when it comes to bigging the club up. Would you see Nevin and Ratcliffe sticking their neck out to get us back on the map and noticed again? However, what truly is inexplicable is why we are always fucking last or second to last on Match of the fucking Day?!?
Brian Waring
199   Posted 15/06/2012 at 19:45:17

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If that was the case though David, why are the Red Shite so loved by the media? Also, I couldn't see the Murdochs losing much sleep over us.

Damian Brathwaite
217   Posted 15/06/2012 at 21:04:42

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Are they loved though, didn't dalglish have a pop at the so called Sky four and then they went to town and went for the jugular because of the racist debacle with Suarez and Evra. They are fast falling out of favour with the press and maybe that was a reason why they got shut of the Scottish prick.
Tom Bowers
218   Posted 15/06/2012 at 21:56:17

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Why all the worry about what the media says? Most of it is just trash and pure speculation and one reporter's view on certain situations with for the most part having no credibility nor basis.

When there are no facts to report they make something up or state something ridiculous just to cause controversy like they have here. Anyone of us can be good at that. I could say that player is gay, or that player is a communist or beats his wife which could immediately spark lots of reaction.

The point is, freedom of speech ? particularly by the media ? is often abused just to draw attention and discussion; I don't think they pick on the Blues anymore than any other team.
Peter Warren
258   Posted 16/06/2012 at 09:46:19

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065 Tom - don't talk bollocks. One of my first memories was the chef at that restaurant cooking me "the magnificent 7 burger" . Watch what you post in future
Leon Nesbitt
262   Posted 16/06/2012 at 10:42:25

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Bob Willis @073 does this mean you will be giving up your job doing the last word on Sky Cricket coverage?
Derek Thomas
285   Posted 16/06/2012 at 13:19:48

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Old style: Newspapers; Tomorrows fish and chip wrapping. New style: Internet; gone in the click of a mouse...Get f'kin over it!
Trevor Lynes
344   Posted 16/06/2012 at 17:09:42

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The above is nothing new...

The daily media is based in Manchester and London and I can well remember the top sports columnist Henry Rose of years ago being Man Utd fanatic. When we were doing well in the 60s, we were known as the Mersey Millionnaires and praise for our club was diminished because of it. Teams like Chelsea and Man City won nothing in those days and the London clubs were easy touches away from home. Even when the so-called Busby Babes were being extolled, we still beat them both home and away.

Later, when it was Best, Charlton and Law, we stuffed them quite often. No, the media playing down the achievements of Everton is nothing new unfortunately.
Brian Hill
350   Posted 16/06/2012 at 17:04:08

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I haven't bought a "news"paper for about 20 years and, judging by this thread, I have missed nothing. The media does not exist to be an impartial purveyor of truth, justice and good will to all men; no, it exists to serve the interests of its owners, and those interests are exclusively determined by financial gain. Whatever drivel/lie will entice a consumer to hand over his 75p or whatever is not just the bottom line, it is the only line. EFC does not sell newspapers and never will.
Sur Jo
368   Posted 16/06/2012 at 18:17:45

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Brinn @350. You're absolutely right.
Keith Glazzard
369   Posted 16/06/2012 at 17:47:40

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Sur Jo - Michigan, the one in the USA? I guess you get Fox News there so you might have noticed that 'news' is a very loose term.

You might be forgiven for thinking that we live in a communist state here as we have the NHS, but the truth is that a huge chunk of our media is owned by the same people as Fox. And all they are doing is making money for the boss - no matter what. Easy in the US - feed the loony Tea Party masses and count the proceeds. Trickier here, but the sports pages count for a lot.

Damian makes a good point. KKK may have been given the push for ballsing up the whole racism thing as much as anything else. It was a media disaster. RSFC have, I regret, been very good at getting a good press. They figured it out, worked at it, and their people do permeate the media.

The EPL/Sky/Murdoch (Fox) money reinforces the inequality. Twenty years on, the figure has just gone to £3billion. I wonder who will get most of that. Might it be the media darlings?

Bob Willis
618   Posted 17/06/2012 at 16:16:40

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Bob Willis @073 does this mean you will be giving up your job doing the last word on Sky Cricket coverage?

LN 262 - Listen mate, I don't even get the last word in my own house!!!

Mike McIlroy
742   Posted 18/06/2012 at 10:36:22

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If the pond life that work in the media hate us I'd take that as a compliment. We just don't have the sort of characters that the media want to follow and write about no-one's shagging a famous WAG, no-ones rammed their Aston Martin into a wall and we're not owned by some multi-billionaire crook, so frankly we're a bit boring. We don't have the money to actually win anything so fuck knows why anyone would be bothered with us. To be honest I'm happy with being below that media radar as it seems to encourage your players to become absolute twats
Ray Robinson
048   Posted 19/06/2012 at 16:25:24

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The local news did an item on season ticket prices for next season based on Blackburn maintaining their prices based on last season despite relegation. The cheapest prices at Wigan, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool and even a couple of local Championship sides were then reeled off. No mention of our existence!

Sometimes on a Monday when the previous weekend's matches are reviewed, we're not even mentioned. It's like BBC Local news has wiped us off the map. God help our profile if we're even dismissed by the local news.

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