Season 2012-13
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What next?
So Naismith and Pienaar in, Cahill and Yobo out(ish)... What next?
We obviousliy need to strengthen the right-side of midfield and may need another back-up striker. We do have a strong squad when you think of the young players that can come in this season, with the likes of Duffy, Garbutt, Barkley, Junior, Gueye, McAleny and Vellios all coming through.
So, who exactly would you like to see come in, if anyone?
I personally would love to see Donovan in permanently and Dempsey but realistically would like to see Owen on a pay-as-you-play deal, Jamie Makie from QPR and Grant Hanley form Blackburn if possible...
For any other signings, who would you like to see or let go to fund them? Jagielka, Fellaini, Baines, or Heitinga would fetch the most money and for me I'd let Jags go.
Mike McDonald, Posted 01/08/2012 at 12:46:44
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337 Posted 02/08/2012 at 00:30:15
338 Posted 02/08/2012 at 00:36:27
I fear that this will free up space for Rodwell alongside Gibson rather than Osman who should be in there. If Heitinga does want to go I'd move Rodwell back into defence to see if he belongs there (the lad can't play midfield).
Donovan would be the perfect acquisition for us but I can't see it happening. Other than that I'd love to see a player in the Arteta mould to go alongside Gibson in midfield, someone to get us off our feet again like the best little spaniard we know used to rather than another half season of crab football like the last one started out like.
343 Posted 02/08/2012 at 02:26:11
We need to get the right side sorted out!
360 Posted 02/08/2012 at 07:02:20
361 Posted 02/08/2012 at 07:13:14
363 Posted 02/08/2012 at 07:55:43
364 Posted 02/08/2012 at 07:55:56
365 Posted 02/08/2012 at 07:59:56
367 Posted 02/08/2012 at 08:18:37
If we could get a right back or right winger then we would be set for doing something this season. I really believe that!!!
369 Posted 02/08/2012 at 08:37:09
371 Posted 02/08/2012 at 08:42:08
Based on Moyes' comments Naismith may play right and Fellaini could continue behind Jelavic. I'm fairly sure we won't buy anyone else but I think we've already got a promising squad before our usual two deadline day loan deals.
372 Posted 02/08/2012 at 08:47:08
On the face of it we are pretty strong in that area with Jags, Heitinga, Distin and Duffy. However, Distin despite his impressive fitness levels is in his mid thirties so may not be able to compete at the top level for the next three years. Duffy is promising but unproven and Heitinga (Our best centre back IMHO) would likely jump at the chance of joining an established Champions League club from one of the major European leagues (Remember the Barca comment?). Jags on the other hand didn't make any kind of fuss when Arsenal made their interest pretty apparent last year unlike Arteta.
The Kaiser he isn't and his over exuberance may lead to the odd own goal but he's a cracking defender. I wouldn't sell him unless silly money was on the table.
375 Posted 02/08/2012 at 09:20:14
That would be fine by me, I don't want us to sell anyone and if we did it would have to be for silly money.
I'd be amazed if we bought anyone, I was very surprised we paid £4.5M for Pienaar to be honest. I wonder if Davie will sign his new contract now that he's got his man..........
379 Posted 02/08/2012 at 09:37:06
380 Posted 02/08/2012 at 09:41:29
I guess the issue is whether the back-up players of Barkley, Anichibe, Coleman, Junior, Velios etc will be good enough when they're inevitably called upon. I'm not hopeful.
390 Posted 02/08/2012 at 10:22:33
I think that Barkley may get game time now that Cahill is gone so hopefully he'll get the chance to prove himself. Coleman, if fit, may get some time as a sub and if he doesn't improve this season, may go next summer. Anichibe is a strange one. I don't know if Moyes will will ever lose patience with him but I could see him agitating for a move if he didn't get regular games this season.
Duffy is the one I would most like to see get game time but that isn't going to happen. I think he is the one young player who has shown enough to be given a proper run of games. I think he may look for assurances or else look for a move. He's getting to an age where he should be getting regular games and I think he is talented enough to get games somewhere else if he doesn't get them with us.
392 Posted 02/08/2012 at 10:22:30
If we brought in a winger with real pace and a backup for Baines I'd be quite happy with the squad.
I'd love this year to be Barkley's big breakthrough and see him light up the Premier League but I fear Mr Moyes won't give him ample opportunity. I hope I'm wrong!
393 Posted 02/08/2012 at 10:52:38
395 Posted 02/08/2012 at 10:41:30
Adam Johnson would be a good loan signing but I can't see that one and I can somehow see him wearig red next season unfortunately.
I would be happy to see Donovan but only in a longer term loan (i read there is the possibilty he could sign this summer and play October to March). I'd accept that anyday over his usual 10 game stint. You know what you get with Donovan and he is reliable.
Let's face it, we can't go out and buy a quality renowned 'rightsider' or even an up-and-coming one such as Hoilett.
I don't think right back is as big an issue as most make out. We are solid there if not spectacular. Hibbert was at his most consistent last season and I thought he was going forward to decent effect in the last third of the season when we were on form.
A new back up goalkeeper is a must. I was at the morecambe match and like everyone in the away end said "Taudal?? Who??" Fair enough, he is just an academy player but he is now our 3rd choice?
From the very little Jan Mucha has played, he doesn't seem to command confidence. There are quite a few freebies I've noticed available: Gordon (ex-Scotland) from Sunderland; Lewis from Peterborough (ex-England squad player).
I can understand why they drafted in Hahnemann last year, as you need 3 experinced goalkeepers pushing each other on the training ground. If there is an injury or suspension then the 2nd or 3rd gets a chance to impress (think Jones/Reina etc).
With regards to cover at left-back, I would prefer to see Garbutt or Bidwell given chances in the Carling Cup... and players like Duffy, Barkley and Junior given chances also, especially against lower leauge teams.
And without a doubt we need another striker. I'm on the 'No to Owen' brigade also. I know this is a little ambitious but what about Berbatov? His price is £5m as said by SAF. The thought of Berbatov and Jelavic (on paper at least) is mouthwatering for fans that have become used to talking about which lone striker (Saha or 'Jo'-ke) to play ahead of Cahill/Osman.
If Berbatov stays in England, where else would he go? Liverpool? A straight No.... Man City? — straight No... Chelsea and Arsenal have more than enough already (providing RVP stays, which I think he will). Even Newcastle are about to add Carroll to Cisse and Ba. I think that would only leave us and Spurs in the current top 8.
Yes, he knows Spurs... and yes, they will pay a better wage... but I think if there is any way we can fund a deal, we should go for it. We need to at least act ambitious. When was the last time we got excited about buying a Man Utd cast-off?? Well Kanchelskis wasn't in the cast-off category but that was the last time we were excited about doing business with United.
So, to sum up, I think a goalkeeper, a 'right-sided' attacking player, and a centre-forward.
396 Posted 02/08/2012 at 11:08:30
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411 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:02:50
I can live with Hibbo or Neville at RB for another year as long as the right midfielder is doing well (ie, no Osman on the wing etc).
My only big concern is that Anichebe has started pretty much all the games so far. Given his speech about it now being the right time to "establish myself in the first team", I hope Moyes isn't thinking the same thing. He's now 24 and has been in the first team squad for years, I am not holding my breath on him turning into a star striker anytime soon – or, god forbid, our new hope on the wing.
Go on Victor, prove us wrong!
412 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:26:51
413 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:26:49
414 Posted 02/08/2012 at 12:57:46
4-4-3 - Now that is attacking. I'm presuming you are playing without a keeper otherwise we'd have 12 on the park!
416 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:46:52
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No; We obviously need another striker, and maybe a right-sided midfielder. Can Junior play right?
418 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:50:58
How about that fella Donovan.
I see this season as being big tests for Big Vic,Barley and Rodwell.
Would like to see Junior progress to the subs bench too.
421 Posted 02/08/2012 at 13:56:39
Perhaps not as a first choice but, if that's it for new players, then possibly an option.
432 Posted 02/08/2012 at 14:22:42
438 Posted 02/08/2012 at 14:48:55
My bad, 433
479 Posted 02/08/2012 at 17:40:54
Did anyone watch Barkley and Rodwell at Tranmere? They were woeful. If Rodwell does not improve he will be playing for tranmere full time
496 Posted 02/08/2012 at 18:36:26
From what im hearing, Moyesy is definitely on the look out for a right winger/midfielder and striker before the window shuts but we probs wont do any deals till late on in the window now apparently?!.
Me personally i'd like to see Naismith play in behind Jelavic, I don't think he'd be as effective out on the right. For me i'd like to see Felli play box to box still alongside Gibbo and let Naismith play off the striker as he would bring movement to the attack. Cos he'd run the channels he'd allow Jelavic to play and make runs withing the perimeters of the 18 yard box which lone strikers should always do for me and with Naismith stretching teams by running in behind from deep he would create space for Jelavic who is very good at finding the space to score goals.
Some games we could use Fellaini up there for a different outlet but I think he plays better deeper. We do need a right midfielder/winger of the donovan type, pacey and direct with it, good delivery and it would give us a different dimension aswell as are team lack genuine pace!.
RB isn't a problem for me just yet, I think we can put up and get by with Hibbert, Neville and Coleman for another season before we need to start looking for a new, permenant RB.
519 Posted 02/08/2012 at 20:10:14
523 Posted 02/08/2012 at 20:42:14
I'd personally love to see Matt Phillips. Was great last season, and will not be as costly as some of the other young championship talent (Zaha/Rhodes).
I think we have to get another creative player in on loan as well...and preferably another striker. With respect to availability...well Chelski will have a fair few players rotting on the bench next season...Lakuku? Sturridge even if Chelsea get another striker (which they surely will) or Yossi on loan perhaps? If Arsenal bring in Sahin, I wonder if we might even try for Ramsey. It's all fantasy of course...we will prob get in a couple of loans from abroad, and have to play someone out of position on the right, or Coleman.
527 Posted 02/08/2012 at 21:19:55
And I'd much rather take someone like Lukaku on loan for a season to be back up/competition to Jelavic than spend £4m (which we don't have!) on someone like Rhodes who won't be happy to be second fiddle and will struggle to make an impact and want out soon enough and then be worth about half the price it would cost to sign him!.
And maybe a player like Benayoun who can play a number of attacking roles and who's creative would be a good squad filler on loan for the season but that's all, not permanent!. Ramsey would be good, him and Gibbo would make a good midfield combo but it's highly unlikely we'd get him, even on loan!
540 Posted 02/08/2012 at 23:48:23
543 Posted 03/08/2012 at 00:05:09
Apart, of course from King Kenny, he compares well to anyone. Andy Carroll £35 million.It is just so brilliant to type the words.
550 Posted 03/08/2012 at 01:58:42
Adam Johnson loan for RM
Berbatov if we can cobble together 5M. He is out of contract next summer so a loan to buy next summer is out of the question. Someone will have to stump up some money for this guy, but he could be the difference to having a crack at the top 4.
These 3 players would defo propel us to the next level.
561 Posted 03/08/2012 at 06:44:47
If someone came a long with £20 for Fellaini we'd sell him in a flash. However, because he's not worth half that / he's just not good enough, no one is interested.
If players want to leave, then I'd show them the door - fuck em.
We're skint so can't really buy anyone else, so lets just hope for UEFA qualification and another decent Cup run.
I'd try and get Berbatov in, but his £120k a week wage might put Blue Bill off...!!!!!!
How about Gazza - I've heard he's free at the moment.
581 Posted 03/08/2012 at 09:35:10
Just two out and two in ????
What about Yakubu, Beckford, Arteta, Vaughan, Bily, McFadden, Hahnemann etc etc etc????
Our actual proven squad is less than it was in numbers, it's just conjecture and hope that at least two of our youngsters blossom to make up for the exits.
Most other clubs have spent money to strengthen their squads but we continue to frequent 'charity shops' in the hope that we unearth another Cahill.
The only money we have spent has been on Jelavic and now Pienaar who we already had. We have received far more than this cost and now we are again depleted as far as squad numbers.
I just hope and pray that our youngsters start to prove their potential and take a bigger part in the games next season.
718 Posted 04/08/2012 at 09:07:24
855 Posted 05/08/2012 at 11:47:50
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336 Posted 02/08/2012 at 00:20:00
I’m sure that nobody would turn down a decent striker, whether first or second choice but, with a fluid midfield-dominating 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 set-up becoming increasingly de rigueur, the concept of a right-sided midfielder is becoming increasingly redundant.
For me, the area in need of most attention would be the fullbacks. Baines is pretty much everything a modern fullback should be. Nobody on the right comes anywhere close. Baines needs back-up / competition. Hibbert, Neville and, in all likelihood, Coleman need upgrading.