Season 2012-13
Opinion
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Rodwell for Right Back?
Having seen the conversion of a decent central midfielder into a top class right back (Snods), I can't help thinking that Rodwell could fit the bill.
I know he was a fish out of water in a more advanced right-sided role but he appears to have the qualities needed as an attacking wing back: good engine, good reader of the game, good passer, strong defensive qualities (being groomed as a future centre half) solid tackler, decent pace and height...
This could be a great asset arriving late at the back post from a Baines cross... (Okay, I know, when have we ever had two full backs attacking at the same time?)
This is a make-or-break season for Jack and could be his best opportunity.
Dave Edwards, Posted 03/08/2012 at 09:16:23
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609 Posted 03/08/2012 at 15:14:12
610 Posted 03/08/2012 at 15:11:59
I would send the kid out on a short loan to the championship to be honest, to build up some sharpeness and confidence. Sitting on the bench watching Fellaini and Gibson in the middle is not going to help him much this season.
Also I think he's confused enough about what his best position is, without also putting him at RB..
613 Posted 03/08/2012 at 15:50:19
617 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:04:22
622 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:22:34
625 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:25:59
626 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:34:13
627 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:36:59
Jack has played for England at every level, you just don't get that if there is not a real player in there somewhere.
As for right back, tackling will let him down for me.
629 Posted 03/08/2012 at 16:56:56
631 Posted 03/08/2012 at 17:13:07
642 Posted 03/08/2012 at 18:30:44
Nice original post though...
652 Posted 03/08/2012 at 19:23:03
678 Posted 03/08/2012 at 22:41:23
681 Posted 03/08/2012 at 23:13:03
682 Posted 03/08/2012 at 23:14:25
He was a total disaster playing Centre half in one game a couple of years ago.
He has all the attributes of a box to box MF player not Full back.
At his best he can spray passes, doesnt lose the ball very often and can score goals with his head and from outside the box.
He just needs a consistent run of games to recover his match fitness and sharpness.
684 Posted 03/08/2012 at 23:34:36
685 Posted 03/08/2012 at 23:33:35
He has had injuries, which have been attributed to growing pains, and he had the misfortune to be part of the least creative midfield in the league for the first half of last season, compounded by the further misfortune of being injured in the second half of the season when there were actually players making runs and creating chances.
In midfield we have good competition and Jack needs to rise to the challenge, but moving him to right back is not the answer.
694 Posted 04/08/2012 at 03:38:20
701 Posted 04/08/2012 at 07:02:31
We're getting really desperate for things to talk about now aren't we?
Roll on the new season!
709 Posted 04/08/2012 at 08:34:04
715 Posted 04/08/2012 at 09:03:29
735 Posted 04/08/2012 at 11:36:41
I'm amazed at the sarcy piss-take reactions to a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Many top players are converted from different positions. In particular, many top full backs were players converted from more forward positions. Evra was a striker in French division 2, Cole started further forward, as did almost every Brazilian full back for about the last 20 years.
Even recently, the likes of Nigel Reo-Coker and Pablo Zabaleta have performed better as full backs at Premier League level than in their original central midfield position.
Maybe it wouldn't work, I think it would, but to take the piss just seems completely ignorant.
739 Posted 04/08/2012 at 11:54:21
747 Posted 04/08/2012 at 13:35:05
As for the original question, I’d be tentatively in favour of giving Rodwell a run in the right-back slot, though I wouldn’t necessarily expect him to be a success in the position.
I remember a time when playing at fullback for a while was a pretty standard part of the development of prospective central-defenders, which Rodwell potentially still is. The thinking tended to be that A) it gave them valuable game time B) it helped them understand the needs and responsibilities of the positions adjacent to centre back, which would improve their overall team-play when they eventually moved in to the middle and C) if, as expected, they did cock-up, the current centres would usually be on hand to bail them out.
756 Posted 04/08/2012 at 14:20:12
761 Posted 04/08/2012 at 15:01:22
But he is still not my favourite for the right back position as he needs to toughen up and build more muscle mass, also his agression needs adjusting.
Long term he could be a great defender, but until he starts doing the hard work then Hibbert and Coleman are in front of him .
I am sad to see both Coleman and Rodwell dwindle away, they need game time and I think they need to be loaned out if we are ever going to see them do good here!!!!
They need to step up, if they do not make it this season then I say sell them.
I am sick and tired of having below middle class players in the team, we need quality, not wannabe quality.
762 Posted 04/08/2012 at 15:01:48
For me totally over-rated and has never ever done anything in an Everton shirt to justify the £20 million price tag put on him by the media. No pace....No aggression.... and can only pass the ball sideways and backwards
There is nothing I have seen that suggests he will be either great or dicatate any game...Rodwell has been trying to live up to the hype for 4 yrs now and to my mind unfortunately he has failed miserably.
Based on his performance on Wednesday night ( v Tranmere) we wouldn't even get £2 mil never mind £20 mil...the sad thing being that these type of performances are very much the norm rather than the exception from Rodwell...stop believing the hype... it's never going to happen.
Over the years we've had a few of them....Branch,Cadermateri,Jeffers to name a few....all were meant to the the next 'Big Thing'...unfortunately ALL of them failed in a blue shirt mainly due to the unrealistic expectations placed on their shoulders....sadly IMO Rodwell is just another in a very long list.
Don't get me wrong I would love the lad to be a success but there is nothing I have seen in his game that makes me believe he will be anything more than an average
also- ran...
766 Posted 04/08/2012 at 15:55:41
Last season was hugely disappointing but he's only 20. I think once he stays fit he'll be spot on for us. I think calling him shit is so unfair on a young player coming through the ranks. By the way thought Jeffers was great but he drank away his talent
770 Posted 04/08/2012 at 16:50:51
774 Posted 04/08/2012 at 17:35:30
All this "low risk play by the numbers" malarky Moyes and his centre half clan advocate won't bring him on - he's going backwards (sideways sometimes).
784 Posted 04/08/2012 at 18:00:17
Personally I believe that labelling someone like young Jack as GREAT before he's even been anywhere near GOOD is part of the problem....too much expectation/pressure.... too quickly !!
As I said I would dearly love to be proved wrong and for him to become the player you think he will... but sadly I don't think that will be the case....only time will tell !!
785 Posted 04/08/2012 at 18:34:39
790 Posted 04/08/2012 at 18:59:52
792 Posted 04/08/2012 at 19:15:42
I agree Jeffers was a decent player but he was by no means a GREAT player....his career since he left us only serves to confirm that...
794 Posted 04/08/2012 at 20:17:05
795 Posted 04/08/2012 at 20:32:00
You didnt say he was shit expressly but implied it by saying his performance the other night meant we'd be lucky to get £2m and that this was his normal level of performance.
798 Posted 04/08/2012 at 20:47:17
886 Posted 05/08/2012 at 16:52:45
EVERY Evertonian I know was shocked at the price Arsenal paid...don't say you were any different.
888 Posted 05/08/2012 at 16:52:45
EVERY Evertonian I know was shocked at the price Arsenal paid... don't say you were any different.
961 Posted 06/08/2012 at 03:07:16
As for the derby sending off, how can anyone use that as an excuse? If that affects him then he shouldn't be playing the game. Cahill's first game for us ended with him scoring the match winner and then being red carded for fuck all. He had the spirit to put that behind him and came back even stronger. Strength in adversity makes a player, not moping and feeling sorry for yourself like Anichebe.
And I'm glad to see some Evertonians are recognising our weak spot: Right back. Well Sharpy started out as a defender and Thierry Henry was a winger before Wenger switched him so maybe for Rodders, a change is as good as a rest and he couldn't be any worse than the old arse who masquerades as a PL player who seems fireproof in that position.
966 Posted 06/08/2012 at 06:30:34
973 Posted 06/08/2012 at 08:42:38
"Jack Rodwell – Too much Birkdale, not enough Kirkdale".
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607 Posted 03/08/2012 at 14:21:58
We could still have an international standard player on our hands and to play him massively out of position is accepting that he will not reach his potential! * see similar logic for Ross Barcley.
Not to mention where that would leave our favourites Nev & Hibbo!