Team for Leyton Orient

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With the relative lack of depth in our first team, does it make sense to run out a starting XI of reserves/unplayed squad players for the Capital One League Cup tie against Leyton Orient on Wednesday?

GK - Mucha
RB - ?
CB1- Duffy
CB2- Heitinga
LB - Garbutt
MC - Junior
MC - Barkley
MR - Mirallas
ML - Gueye
ST - Anichebe
ST - Vellios

Surely the Premier League should be the absolute focus this season (and perhaps the FA Cup) and we can afford to let the kids shine a little bit against weaker opposition?

Nigel Gregson, London     Posted 26/08/2012 at 09:34:22

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Joe Aylward
328 Posted 26/08/2012 at 13:59:30
It's an interesting one Nigel. I think Moyes sees competitions such as this as the only realistic chance of silverware so I wouldn't be surprised that the team will get stronger and more experienced should we continue to progress — that's not to say we won't shit ourselves in the semi, playing KITAP1 against a Sky Four team. :)
John Crook
330 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:08:09
I think the ones who have been subs for the first 2 games will get a start as they need a game but I think there will be one or two that have started the previous 2 games starting on Wednesday just to have that added experience. The big guns such as Fellaini, Jelavic and Pienaar should and will be rested with West Brom in mind.

I would do something like this for Wednesday night:

GK - Mucha
RB - Hibbert
CD - Heitinga
CD - Duffy
LB - Neville
RM - Mirallas
LM - Gueye
CM - Barkley
CM - Osman
CF - Naismith
CF - Anichebe

Subs: Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Jelavic, Pienaar, Coleman, Fellaini
Paul David
332 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:17:24
I think we should take this cup seriously but would still play Junior, Vellios, Duffy and Barkley.
Phil Walling
333 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:17:10
Personally, I don`t give a stuff about the competition, whatever they call it, and won't be wasting time and money on what has become a total distraction for US BIG TEAMS! (How good was it to be able to write that!)

So I go along with your sentiment on team selection and suggest he gives Coleman a run in the 'vacant' right-back slot in your team.
Si Cooper
339 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:30:59
It's silverware and a route into Europe, isn't it?

A chance to give a game to our fringe players maybe, but it has to be taken seriously (and will be by the manager and club, I think) otherwise they won't see it as a chance to impress and compete for a starting place in the bigger competitions.

It is also revenue for the club, so I hope we get a good crowd who are prepared to show their support and appreciation of the start we have made in the league.

David Hallwood
343 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:03:23
Good side, Nigel, and should have more than enough for Orient (not being too disrespectful) and at RB I'd play Coleman.
Mark Riding
344 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:06:20
John #330
A few days ago if you suggested fielding a team in a cup that we could actuall win by the way, formation 4-4-2 that included Mucha, Gueye, Anichebe and Neville at Left back, you would have got some stick ! What a difference a week makes...
Sam Hoare
347 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:28:50
Moyes craves silverware and his lack of it is the main weapon for the bashers, a few of whom have been notable in their absence recently. I reckon he will play a pretty strong team. Something like:

Howard
Neville Heitinga Duffy Baines
Mirallas Junior Osman Gueye
Barkley
Anichebe

With Naismith and Coleman other likely starters.

For me Gibson, Fellaini and Jelavic are our key players at the moment.

With any luck we get an early goal to allow the team to relax.

Selby Wells
359 Posted 26/08/2012 at 16:59:21
I agree that Moyes thinks this is an ideal opportunity to win some much needed silverware (we've never won this competition before). But I think it's an ideal game to give bench & fringe players a run-out while squad is confident. Might be a good game to give Coleman a go at rb as Hibbert is struggling & Neville is getting on. With that in mind my team would be:

Mucha
Coleman Duffy Heitinga Garbutt.
Mirallas Junior Osman Barkley Gueye
Naismith
Nick Entwistle
367 Posted 26/08/2012 at 17:54:16
Howard
Hibbert Heitinga Duffy Garbutt
Junior Neville
Coleman Barkley Mirallas
Anichebe
James Stewart
368 Posted 26/08/2012 at 17:49:35
I personally think its much to early in the season for changing the whole side. You risk losing momentum by doing that after 2 games. I would play a strong side with maybe only a couple of changes to key players. Give Jelavic, Pienaar and Fellaini a rest maybe.
Nick Entwistle
376 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:26:49
What if the Orient match wasn't scheduled this week, James? Would we be losing momentum for WBA? There's a longer gap between WBA and Newcastle, so we'll end up hoofing it? Doubt it.

Play the kids and sub bench, or the first XI will be out on their feet come the end of WBA.
Jon Ferguson
378 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:34:17
I would LOVE for us to win the League Cup. I would love us to win anything. Defo want is back in Europe next year and winning this would guarantee that.

My team would be:

Howard
Coleman
Baines
Distin
Heitinga
Neville
Junior
Barkley
Mirallas
Gueye
Anichebe

Subs
Mucha
Jags
Garbutt
Gibson
Fellaini
Coleman
Jelavic

Wayne Smyth
380 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:38:01
Neville won't play due to his age. I doubt Moyes will ask him to play 3 games in 10 days.

I'd like to see us play the following:

Mucha
Coleman Heitinga Duffy Garbutt
Mirallas Junior Barkley Gueye
Vellios Anichebe

We do risk slipping up, but most of those players are good enough to beat a lower league side and they need game time to develop.

Julian Wait
384 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:06:44
Wayne, I think we'd get walloped with that team. Not to mention censured by the press and the FA. I think we need to maintain momentum. Not averse to some tweaks, resting Jelavic, Fellaini, Neville and perhaps Distin, but a wholesale revamp of the team and it's shape would be wrong on multiple levels.
Jimmy Scales
386 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:16:36
Totally agree, Julian.
David Sheen
388 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:28:12
Whether we like it or not, the League Cup is the best chance of silverware this season. It's also a cup that Everton haven't won.

We haven't won a trophy in 17 years. It's about time we won something.

I think Moyes should rest some players and we should be strong enough to beat Leyton Orient. But not go over the top.

David Sheen
389 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:32:19
I'd go for:

Howard
Hibbert - Jagielka - Heitinga - Coleman
Gueye - Gibson - Fellaini - Barkley
Anichebe - Mirallas

We need strong players against a team like Leyton Orient. This is with a view of Fellaini/Gibson/Jagielka being subbed eventually.

Nick Entwistle
395 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:16:08
David, it may be the best chance of silverware but brings up the old question of would you take 4th or a trophy?

If you have to prioritise, because you don't get choices, I'd take 4th over the league cup any day and that could come down to a single point come May.

Momentum won't be broken up if wholesale changes are made as its a different team and the first XI schedule remains the same as last week and for even next week.

I'd think Neville and Hibbert will play, with Hibbert to play and Neville rested for WBA.

John Campbell
396 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:27:24
We're gonna win the league
Mike Allison
397 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:28:17
I'd keep Howard, Baines and Pienaar in to show we are being serious and intend to win this competition. Coleman should be our right back by now and this is a game where he should finally play in his correct position.

Gibson seems to have a knock so I'd rest him, and I like the idea of seeing what Francisco Junior can do against a lower league team. It also seems a good way of getting Naismith and Mirallas some game time.

So for me:

Howard; Coleman, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines; Mirallas, Francisco Junior, Osman, Pienaar; Naismith, Anichebe (or perhaps Vellios). Subs. Mucha, Jagielka, Garbutt, Barkley, Gueye, Vellios/Anichebe, Jelavic.

That team should be strong enough in the first place, meaning Baines and Pienaar could be withdrawn if we're winning, and there's a bit of back up on the bench if things are going pear shaped.

I think its about balancing both objectives, not playing the very strongest side but also not choosing a fully alternative XI.

Mike Oates
401 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:37:26
Not sure the likes of Duffy, Garbutt, Junior and even Barkley are anywhere ready yet. If you look at the U-21s' new league format, we have played 2, and got hammered 2, both which included the above 4 players. They can't even cope with West Ham's and West Brom's reserve teams!
Barry Stevens
402 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:32:54
Only rest a couple, if that, and please no Mucha. We've never won the competition and it's a gateway to Europe. How about we carry on flying, win the final in April and then push for the Champions League nice and relaxed knowing we're already in Europe for next season?
Barry Rathbone
404 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:41:34
I'm obsessed with winning the League Cup it pisses me right off there's a domestic trophy that all and sundry have won and we haven't.

Realistically I don't expect these 2 recent results to be the pattern for the season, play the strongest side go balls out for it same with the FA cup - we need a trophy - it's been too long.

Ian Bennett
418 Posted 26/08/2012 at 21:51:26
Mucha
Coleman
Garbutt
Duffy
Heitinga
Barkley
Junior
Osman
Naismith
Mirallas
Anichibe


Subs - the calvary

Frank Eardley
427 Posted 26/08/2012 at 23:29:43
Remember Orient are in a League 1 relegation battle this season and are yet to pick up a point so they shouldn't cause us too many problems and probably won't even pick their first 11. So no need to play Fellaini, Gibson, Jelavic, Baines, Piennaar etc
Eric Myles
439 Posted 27/08/2012 at 02:34:56
Julian #284, why would the FA censure us when every season Arsenal field their schoolboy side in this competition? And who cares what the wankers in the press say.

Besides isn't it a League competition and nothing to do with the FA?

Aidan Wade
460 Posted 27/08/2012 at 09:30:41
U21's got stuffed by WH, I'm not sure we're at the stage of playing our reserves to beat all comers yet like Arsenal used to do. It's an opportunity to air the subs but I expect a core of established first team players. These early LC games are a bit of a banana peel, hopefully we skip over it and get to the meaningful stages of the competition.
Kev Johnson
463 Posted 27/08/2012 at 09:58:55
Ian (418) has the team spot on, in my opinion, even down to the subs!
Alasdair Mackay
466 Posted 27/08/2012 at 10:11:28
I think we should take it seriously, because it's a chance of silverware. That said, it is also a game against a significantly weaker opponent (and I speak as someone who lives in Leyton and follows Orient as my second team).

I would play:

Howard
Neville (c), Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Gibson, Barkley
Mirallas, Osman, Gueye
Jelavic

At some stage I would bring Anichebe on for Jelavic, but give Mirallas a run out as the target man.

Nigel Gregson
487 Posted 27/08/2012 at 11:49:05
Thanks for your comments everyone. I agree with the posters who suggest Coleman for the Right-back and, if I could, I would update the original post.

There seems to be a view here that just because we are playing 2nd X1, we are not taking the game seriously and perhaps showing the opponents and the competition disrespect and also giving up on an opportunity of silverware. Furthermore there is an idea that we would somehow lose "momentum" if we lose.

I strongly disagree with all of these assertions.If we play our key players, who then either too jaded against WBA backing up from midweek or pick up a knock that keeps them out of football for 2-3 weeks, we would be far more impacted.

Furthermore, our fringe players need an avenue to shine and, a small share of the limelight to keep their morale up. A cup game with a proper audience is a perfect showcase for them to extend the feel good factor that is running within the club.

Sure the Under 18s are getting walloped at the moment, but to take the most talented of that group, combined with the fringe seniors and coached by Moyes himself and playing for actual silverware, is a completely different proposition. I hope Moyes sees this way too.

Peter Laverty
496 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:00:13
I was thinking about this earlier actually. I think our 2nd string will still be far too strong for Orient and will give a few youngsters to get some game time and experience the very obvious high that is going around at the minute:

GK: Mucha
RB: Coleman
LB: Garbutt
CB: Duffy
CB: Heitinga

RM: Mirallas
CM: Junior
CM: Osman
LM: Gueye

AM: Naismith

CF: Velios

Paul Smith
499 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:20:01
My team for Orient would be

Howard
Coleman Duffy Heitinga Garbutt
Barkley Junior Osman Gueye
Naismith Mirallas

Don't trust Mucha or see need to rest a goalie but can see need to rest our top players for Baggies. Surely this team still got enough to beat the Os with big players on the bench.

Nick Entwistle
500 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:42:02
Just realised we're the only league cup fixture on the Wednesday with only Celtic in CL play-offs providing competition for UK interest. Does this mean we'll finally have a 2nd round match to watch, if not on TV, then definitely online?
Steavey Buckley
534 Posted 27/08/2012 at 15:31:00
After what happened to the Everton academy by West Ham's academy (1:5,) Leyton Orient would be fancying their chances if they had to face that Everton team with so many academy players in it.
Si Cooper
539 Posted 27/08/2012 at 15:40:38
Nigel (#487) - it's the U21s (i.e. the reserves) getting hammered at the moment, and it is not really about momentum but sharpness and match fitness. Not sure what is achieved if the young lads are used enmasse and end up losing to Leyton Orient at home.

Surely a blend of first choicers and fringe players offers the most in terms of actually winning the game (thus getting the feel-good factor), integrating everyone into the required style of play, and showing them they are part of a squad (rather than a load of second choicers only to be used when the others are having a rest).

Some players will need a rest (Jelavic has taken a bit of a pounding), others will benefit from the extra match fitness, so the manager should have an idea of who will form the framework, with youngsters brought in to fill the gaps. Fringe players will learn far more from playing in a stronger team than the one that has started the U21 fixtures so poorly.

Justin Widdop
546 Posted 27/08/2012 at 17:01:04
For everyone that keeps suggesting Junior for the game - he is injured. On his way back to fitness. This is why he has not played for U21 or on bench.
Nigel Gregson
552 Posted 27/08/2012 at 17:31:12
@539 Si Cooper - we are not disagreeing here. If you look at the team I put up originally, it does have Heitinga, Coleman, Miralles, Anichebe, Barkley, Miralles, Gueye and Velios - who have all played in the premier league. SURELY our manager can rally this team to put Leyton to sword. Of course we can have our cavalry in the subs as mentioned by Ian Bennett @418

The point is that the PL is a marathon not a sprint and a win against Leyton weighed up against a LT injury to say Baines or Fellaini or Howard or Jelavic is simply not worth the reward of progressing to R2 here.

Denis Richardson
557 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:07:01
I say lets keep the momentum going and not tinker about too much. Give Heitinga a game so he stays fit, as well as starts for Mirralas and Naismith to help them get match fit and maybe get on the score sheet.

Would rest Jellavic, Gibson and Fellaini to keep them away from injury, this is really the spine of our side. Mirralas and Naismith up front should be too much for Orient (hopefully).

Am just afraid that taking out too many 1st teamers runs the risk of another embarrasing night ala Shreswbury/Reading/Oldham etc and stops our momentum. Rest 3-4 first teamers and make a few subs early when we're hopefully leading comfortably, would have:

Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Coleman Osman Junior Pienaar
Naismith
Mirralas

With Baines, Pienaar and maybe Neville coming off after about 50-65 minutes for Gueye, Barkely and Garbutt, assuming we're winnning.

Its not the main priority this season but I'll still take it as well as a route to Europe.

Denis Richardson
558 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:26:15
Forgot to add, sell Victor to Wigan this week...
Denis Richardson
559 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:26:48
And just saw Junior is injured so maybe a start for young Ross with Osman staying further back like he did against villa.
Si Cooper
560 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:09:33
At the moment though Nigel, they are all second-choices (with Heitinga and Mirallas being in a rather different situation than the others) and not many people would propose anything like that team for the league games with everyone being available. I am saying that it is important to win this game (for a variety of reasons) whereas your selection seems more of a gamble than is actually necessary.

On the subject of boosting the confidence of some of our fringe players I think the psychology is all wrong. If you want players to believe they are seen as capable of performing with the first-choices then there have to be some on the team-sheet, otherwise players will see the selection as more of a reflection on the ability of the opposition or the clubs ambivalence to the competition (a win and its well done everyone, a loss and it is no harm done). I am speaking from my own sporting experience, when the second team moving up en bloc for a cup game was nowhere near as ego-boosting as even making it to the bench of a full-strength first team.

Some of our first-choices will easily be able to handle another game, and some may actually benefit from it (sure, the risk of injury is a downside but that spectre will hang over every game we play) and the most important thing is to get a positive result and keep the feel-good factor going.

Terry Smith
570 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:33:08
I think as we are on a good run it would be suicide to completley change the team for midweek and possibly get beaten. A little tweak to the team would be fine.

Howard
Hibbert (if fit) Jags or Distin to partner Heitinga Baines
Coleman Osman Gibson Gueye
Mirallas Anichebe

Subs: Mucha, Pienaar, Naismith, Neville, etc etc
This is something Everton need to win as it's a so-called pointless cup that all the big clubs win. And we haven't won it ever!!
Nelly Verdonghan
581 Posted 27/08/2012 at 19:04:01
We should play the strongest team available and try to WIN A TROPHY for God's sake....

Why mess around with the team when it's just staring to click...? another good performance & result can only add to their confidence and set them up for another very winnable game v West Brom

Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin Baines

Naismith Osman Felliaini Gibson Pienaar

Jelivic

Subs,,,Same as Saturday (unless Hibbert fit)...If Hibbert's fit put him on the bench at the expense of Gueye or Anichebe

Alasdair Mackay
813 Posted 28/08/2012 at 17:29:17
Orient keeper is a lifelong Evertonian!

Imagine if it goes to penalties!! Poor fella!

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