Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Team for Leyton Orient
With the relative lack of depth in our first team, does it make sense to run out a starting XI of reserves/unplayed squad players for the Capital One League Cup tie against Leyton Orient on Wednesday?
GK - Mucha
RB - ?
CB1- Duffy
CB2- Heitinga
LB - Garbutt
MC - Junior
MC - Barkley
MR - Mirallas
ML - Gueye
ST - Anichebe
ST - Vellios
Surely the Premier League should be the absolute focus this season (and perhaps the FA Cup) and we can afford to let the kids shine a little bit against weaker opposition?
Nigel Gregson, Posted 26/08/2012 at 09:34:22
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330 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:08:09
I would do something like this for Wednesday night:
GK - Mucha
RB - Hibbert
CD - Heitinga
CD - Duffy
LB - Neville
RM - Mirallas
LM - Gueye
CM - Barkley
CM - Osman
CF - Naismith
CF - Anichebe
Subs: Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Jelavic, Pienaar, Coleman, Fellaini
332 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:17:24
333 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:17:10
So I go along with your sentiment on team selection and suggest he gives Coleman a run in the 'vacant' right-back slot in your team.
339 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:30:59
A chance to give a game to our fringe players maybe, but it has to be taken seriously (and will be by the manager and club, I think) otherwise they won't see it as a chance to impress and compete for a starting place in the bigger competitions.
It is also revenue for the club, so I hope we get a good crowd who are prepared to show their support and appreciation of the start we have made in the league.
343 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:03:23
344 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:06:20
A few days ago if you suggested fielding a team in a cup that we could actuall win by the way, formation 4-4-2 that included Mucha, Gueye, Anichebe and Neville at Left back, you would have got some stick ! What a difference a week makes...
347 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:28:50
Howard
Neville Heitinga Duffy Baines
Mirallas Junior Osman Gueye
Barkley
Anichebe
With Naismith and Coleman other likely starters.
For me Gibson, Fellaini and Jelavic are our key players at the moment.
With any luck we get an early goal to allow the team to relax.
359 Posted 26/08/2012 at 16:59:21
Mucha
Coleman Duffy Heitinga Garbutt.
Mirallas Junior Osman Barkley Gueye
Naismith
367 Posted 26/08/2012 at 17:54:16
Hibbert Heitinga Duffy Garbutt
Junior Neville
Coleman Barkley Mirallas
Anichebe
368 Posted 26/08/2012 at 17:49:35
376 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:26:49
Play the kids and sub bench, or the first XI will be out on their feet come the end of WBA.
378 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:34:17
My team would be:
Howard
Coleman
Baines
Distin
Heitinga
Neville
Junior
Barkley
Mirallas
Gueye
Anichebe
Subs
Mucha
Jags
Garbutt
Gibson
Fellaini
Coleman
Jelavic
380 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:38:01
I'd like to see us play the following:
Mucha
Coleman Heitinga Duffy Garbutt
Mirallas Junior Barkley Gueye
Vellios Anichebe
We do risk slipping up, but most of those players are good enough to beat a lower league side and they need game time to develop.
384 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:06:44
386 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:16:36
388 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:28:12
We haven't won a trophy in 17 years. It's about time we won something.
I think Moyes should rest some players and we should be strong enough to beat Leyton Orient. But not go over the top.
389 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:32:19
Howard
Hibbert - Jagielka - Heitinga - Coleman
Gueye - Gibson - Fellaini - Barkley
Anichebe - Mirallas
We need strong players against a team like Leyton Orient. This is with a view of Fellaini/Gibson/Jagielka being subbed eventually.
395 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:16:08
If you have to prioritise, because you don't get choices, I'd take 4th over the league cup any day and that could come down to a single point come May.
Momentum won't be broken up if wholesale changes are made as its a different team and the first XI schedule remains the same as last week and for even next week.
I'd think Neville and Hibbert will play, with Hibbert to play and Neville rested for WBA.
396 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:27:24
397 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:28:17
Gibson seems to have a knock so I'd rest him, and I like the idea of seeing what Francisco Junior can do against a lower league team. It also seems a good way of getting Naismith and Mirallas some game time.
So for me:
Howard; Coleman, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines; Mirallas, Francisco Junior, Osman, Pienaar; Naismith, Anichebe (or perhaps Vellios). Subs. Mucha, Jagielka, Garbutt, Barkley, Gueye, Vellios/Anichebe, Jelavic.
That team should be strong enough in the first place, meaning Baines and Pienaar could be withdrawn if we're winning, and there's a bit of back up on the bench if things are going pear shaped.
I think its about balancing both objectives, not playing the very strongest side but also not choosing a fully alternative XI.
401 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:37:26
402 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:32:54
404 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:41:34
Realistically I don't expect these 2 recent results to be the pattern for the season, play the strongest side go balls out for it same with the FA cup - we need a trophy - it's been too long.
418 Posted 26/08/2012 at 21:51:26
Coleman
Garbutt
Duffy
Heitinga
Barkley
Junior
Osman
Naismith
Mirallas
Anichibe
Subs - the calvary
427 Posted 26/08/2012 at 23:29:43
439 Posted 27/08/2012 at 02:34:56
Besides isn't it a League competition and nothing to do with the FA?
460 Posted 27/08/2012 at 09:30:41
463 Posted 27/08/2012 at 09:58:55
466 Posted 27/08/2012 at 10:11:28
I would play:
Howard
Neville (c), Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Gibson, Barkley
Mirallas, Osman, Gueye
Jelavic
At some stage I would bring Anichebe on for Jelavic, but give Mirallas a run out as the target man.
487 Posted 27/08/2012 at 11:49:05
There seems to be a view here that just because we are playing 2nd X1, we are not taking the game seriously and perhaps showing the opponents and the competition disrespect and also giving up on an opportunity of silverware. Furthermore there is an idea that we would somehow lose "momentum" if we lose.
I strongly disagree with all of these assertions.If we play our key players, who then either too jaded against WBA backing up from midweek or pick up a knock that keeps them out of football for 2-3 weeks, we would be far more impacted.
Furthermore, our fringe players need an avenue to shine and, a small share of the limelight to keep their morale up. A cup game with a proper audience is a perfect showcase for them to extend the feel good factor that is running within the club.
Sure the Under 18s are getting walloped at the moment, but to take the most talented of that group, combined with the fringe seniors and coached by Moyes himself and playing for actual silverware, is a completely different proposition. I hope Moyes sees this way too.
496 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:00:13
GK: Mucha
RB: Coleman
LB: Garbutt
CB: Duffy
CB: Heitinga
RM: Mirallas
CM: Junior
CM: Osman
LM: Gueye
AM: Naismith
CF: Velios
499 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:20:01
Howard
Coleman Duffy Heitinga Garbutt
Barkley Junior Osman Gueye
Naismith Mirallas
Don't trust Mucha or see need to rest a goalie but can see need to rest our top players for Baggies. Surely this team still got enough to beat the Os with big players on the bench.
500 Posted 27/08/2012 at 13:42:02
534 Posted 27/08/2012 at 15:31:00
539 Posted 27/08/2012 at 15:40:38
Surely a blend of first choicers and fringe players offers the most in terms of actually winning the game (thus getting the feel-good factor), integrating everyone into the required style of play, and showing them they are part of a squad (rather than a load of second choicers only to be used when the others are having a rest).
Some players will need a rest (Jelavic has taken a bit of a pounding), others will benefit from the extra match fitness, so the manager should have an idea of who will form the framework, with youngsters brought in to fill the gaps. Fringe players will learn far more from playing in a stronger team than the one that has started the U21 fixtures so poorly.
546 Posted 27/08/2012 at 17:01:04
552 Posted 27/08/2012 at 17:31:12
The point is that the PL is a marathon not a sprint and a win against Leyton weighed up against a LT injury to say Baines or Fellaini or Howard or Jelavic is simply not worth the reward of progressing to R2 here.
557 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:07:01
Would rest Jellavic, Gibson and Fellaini to keep them away from injury, this is really the spine of our side. Mirralas and Naismith up front should be too much for Orient (hopefully).
Am just afraid that taking out too many 1st teamers runs the risk of another embarrasing night ala Shreswbury/Reading/Oldham etc and stops our momentum. Rest 3-4 first teamers and make a few subs early when we're hopefully leading comfortably, would have:
Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Coleman Osman Junior Pienaar
Naismith
Mirralas
With Baines, Pienaar and maybe Neville coming off after about 50-65 minutes for Gueye, Barkely and Garbutt, assuming we're winnning.
Its not the main priority this season but I'll still take it as well as a route to Europe.
558 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:26:15
559 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:26:48
560 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:09:33
On the subject of boosting the confidence of some of our fringe players I think the psychology is all wrong. If you want players to believe they are seen as capable of performing with the first-choices then there have to be some on the team-sheet, otherwise players will see the selection as more of a reflection on the ability of the opposition or the clubs ambivalence to the competition (a win and its well done everyone, a loss and it is no harm done). I am speaking from my own sporting experience, when the second team moving up en bloc for a cup game was nowhere near as ego-boosting as even making it to the bench of a full-strength first team.
Some of our first-choices will easily be able to handle another game, and some may actually benefit from it (sure, the risk of injury is a downside but that spectre will hang over every game we play) and the most important thing is to get a positive result and keep the feel-good factor going.
570 Posted 27/08/2012 at 18:33:08
Howard
Hibbert (if fit) Jags or Distin to partner Heitinga Baines
Coleman Osman Gibson Gueye
Mirallas Anichebe
Subs: Mucha, Pienaar, Naismith, Neville, etc etc
This is something Everton need to win as it's a so-called pointless cup that all the big clubs win. And we haven't won it ever!!
581 Posted 27/08/2012 at 19:04:01
Why mess around with the team when it's just staring to click...? another good performance & result can only add to their confidence and set them up for another very winnable game v West Brom
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Naismith Osman Felliaini Gibson Pienaar
Jelivic
Subs,,,Same as Saturday (unless Hibbert fit)...If Hibbert's fit put him on the bench at the expense of Gueye or Anichebe
813 Posted 28/08/2012 at 17:29:17
Imagine if it goes to penalties!! Poor fella!
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328 Posted 26/08/2012 at 13:59:30