Wasn't he missing from the bench for the derby game too?

I think Moyes must have been teaching him a lesson as he started for the U-21's on Sunday. However that did not last long as he went off injured after about 25 minutes

If one player who could do with going out on loan, it is Victor.

Forgive me if I'm wrong , but I don't think he has been out on loan previously, if he hasn't then it begs the question why ever not.

For such a big bloke , he doesn't seem to have the mental attitude to compete, I realise he had a shocking injury a while back , but even so he has never really grasped the nettle before or since his setback.

At 24 his time is running out to make the grade , maybe DM is finally losing patience with him and if that is so , I wouldn't expect to see him in or around the first team in the coming weeks.

It's a shame , because there is some talent there , his goal against Newcastle for example , but he never seems to be able to give an ovreall solid performance in any one game.

Not sure what's going on with Anichebe, but I'm a little concerned over our lack of depth at striker. Anichebe is really our only out and out striker to come off the bench, and Jelavic isn't exactly setting the goal on fire at the moment. I know that the rest of the team preforming so well is covering up our deficiencies in this regard at the moment, but it concerns me. What if Jelavic gets hurts or keeps up his cold spell? Back to pushing Fellaini even further forward? Put Mirallas up front? Both of those moves create new holes on the pitch that we don't really have cover for.

I heard he went to see The Wizard of Oz to get a heart.

This is CRAZY. Moyes is actually seeing what we've all been talking about for the past 5 years! Now only if we could get paid £60k a week!!

He should've been sent on loan 3 years ago and we'd have a much better player on our hands because of it.

Let's bring in another striker (using Mirallas as a 3rd choice) and send out the boy for some polishing. If he comes back next season a new man, keep him, if he doesn't, dump him for a mil or two...

No Paul, he was sent to the Lion to get some confidence.

Vellios deserves a run Patrick, or even perhaps McAleny. Both have looked to have some potential in the brief amount we've seen them.

I'd prefer to have a quality back-up, but thats going to be tough to justify given that we generally play with only one up top. The team would benefit more from having a quality centre mid to avoid having Neville play there.

This sure brought a smile to my face! What a twat.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/07/arsenal-everton-on-red-alert-as-ac-milan-prepare-to-sell-wonderkid-after-just-one-appearance-final/?

I find it hard to take to Victor for the reasons mentioned above and in the past. He has played too many games out of position on the left and right wing and this really hasn't helped supporters form a positive opinion of him.

I do however, feel sorry for the guy about his injury, it has without doubt set him back and lost him valuable time at a really important stage in his career. I am struggling to get over that Kevin Nolan horror challenge a couple of years back and I think Vic has definitely struggled to put it all behind him. Pleased he won damages for that tackle though!

Looking forward, I sadly do not see Vic as being a player for our starting 11, I believe strengthening CM has to be our priority for January and if that can only be done by selling squad players such as Vic then so be it.

I believe a fair valuation for the player would be about £1.5M all considered.

The TV bloke - the game was on over here in Chicago-land - said that Big Vic got sick in the warm up and would have sat on the bench but got a sicky. Sick in the warm up? Bit of a cough; little bit of sniffles?

Vic joining the Stoke mutants is a marriage made in Heaven. They are cut from the same cloth. Pullis, I hear, gets footie aroused by big blustering physical boys. Mark my words: Lurch and Anchovey leading the mutant line. I'd ship him in a heartbeat if cover is in place in the gaffer's thoughts. Sponds? Hmmm, I think we would be lucky to get 1.3 million for him.

I think he's got a much higher opinion of himself than anyone else has, I was surprised he was offered a contract and my opinion of him has always been average on a good day, and fucking awful on bad ones.

I think we should get rid for what we can get for him.

Christopher, that is odd. I'd say we saw something in his personality and got shot, but we were mean to be doing everything to make him sign.

I wonder if Moyes will revive his career, a la Arteta...

Unfortunately Victor should have been outed a long time ago he is not the future for Everton and it seems he believes he is a lot better than he is. For us to move on up he needs to move off the wage bill as he has been given enough chances.

The problem with Victor, is... "Himself"!

24!! christ, he needs to move on didn't realise he was that age.

Wayne,
If we have to rely on unproven players like Vellios or McAleny for any period of time this year, then I would say we're in a lot of trouble. While they may look good in short spurts, performing consistently will be a big ask for them.

I've always thought Vellios has done very well in the brief spells we have seen him, very sharp, big and knows where the goal is, I'd love to see him given a chance alongside Jelly

I think you are all being a bit unkind on ol Vic, he's no world beater but he's young and hasn't had a run of games in his entire career.

The best thing would be to sign another striker and get him out on a long loan somewhere where he'll play every week.

Getting dropped probably has something to do with his attitude IMO.

Always get the impression he thinks he's owed something, free kick, game time, free kick, goal,free kick. His attitude has been better this season, and he's done well enough up top. Scored and celebrated in fashion. But even so still get he's got a poor attitude.

As for Vellios , think he deserves game time. Moyes needs to have the arse hole to drop jelly if needed. IMO it wouldn't do any harm.

Chris @ 511

Is that the same lion that said "Put em up put em up — I`ll fight you with one hand behind my back."

Only to start crying when the big bad centre-half whacked him?

Vic spent too much time listening to The Yak. This is when Vic started falling over easily and moaning a lot. Shame. Yak can have had a positive influence instead. Let him go.

Vellios has got dropped after scoring two or three last season and no-one knows why. Could it be time for Hope? I would give Lundstram a run out from the bench against some mid-table club.

Barry, due to your exclamation, I looked at the OS and indeed he is 24: DoB: April 1988.

As an aside, who did Victor make his debut against and in what year?

Loan him out, Championship level, see how he fares against, shall we say "less sophisticated defenders". If he does well, get him back and in the squad. If he plays shite, bin him. He is paid too well to take up a squad number and not contribute. He proved last season he can get a few goals, he has all the attributes to be a useful player, but if he cant deliver then sack him off.

Patrick @527, surely these players need to play more to be able to progress from unproven. Even Messi was an unproven youngster once, and unless the coaches are prepared to use these kids they will never move on

I hope Moyes ships him out in January, one surly arrogant bastard who seems to have a constant cloud hanging over him. Yes, it hasn't helped him being shunted out wide on occasions but that doesn't excuse his attitude.

The funny thing is, early on this season, he was doing well and I thought finally we might have a player on our hands. But no he's reverted to type. And it was only a matter of time before another story about him cropped up. Get shot and give Vellios or McAleny some time on the bench. Let's face it, they couldn't do any worse.

I must be in the minority then, because I actually really like Vic, I think he has all the qualities of the guy Chelsea bought for £20m but is more proven, I would also be interested to see the stats on goals he has scored when playing as a centre forward, because I believe they actually wouldn't be that bad.

If we let him go i'm convinced he will pop up scoring the winner against us for another side.

Osman and Big Vic, one has natural talent, the other has a work ethic and belief in himself. One has got picked for England, one isn't even getting picked for his own team.

I think some of you may be underselling Vic's value. Let me state from the start that I'm not his biggest fan (though he does have ability). But in the modern era of BBC/Sky pundits,he's viewed outside the club as a talented young striker who has ability but hasn't been given many opportunities for whatever reasons.

He scored some important goals last season and this season which won't do his reputation any harm either. I think we'd get closer to £5 million from a Championship club,or maybe a West Ham or Stoke. Maybe even Norwich if Chris Hughton has any thoughts of teaming him up with Vaughan again.

I'd be shocked if we got less than £1.5 million for him to be honest.

I remember a few years ago Vic got in a bit of a stress because Moyes cancelled a loan deal with Hull at the last minute as we lacked enough cover for our main striker – this is something that has never been rectified which means players like Anichebe and Vellios don't get the opportunity to go out and play football. They aren't good enough for our first team, but we simply don't have the depth to risk then not being available NSNO.

Andy 602, if we loaned them out then why couldn't we put a clause in there to state we'll recall them whenever we want (as we have with Barkley, as most loans do work)?

As Paul (516) mentioned, Vic was said to be ill and withdrawn because of that. That is what was said by the commentators on the internet stream I was watching (only the first or second game I've not had on live on the box this season!)

Mischievous posting methinks.

Kase Chow @ 609. Because of Barkleys age he is still classed as a youth player so different clauses can be put in any loan deal than would be available for someone of Vics age.

Yes Paul @554

Looks stout and tough but is soft as a feather me thinks.

Surely if Moyes had more money we'd have a backup striker and mid fielder. He doesn't, so we have Vic "the lion" and Neville "the goose" out there instead.

I've never been a fan of Anichebe but against Swansea he gave a master class of how to lead the line with your back to goal. He held the ball up, backed into defenders, brought people into play & twisted & turned, had efforts on goal & generally gave his marker a nightmare afternoon. Granted, it was a one off but he showed he has the attributes to be a decent Premier League striker.

Unfortunately, Moyes all too often deploys him wide right of midfield where he is, well, anonymous. Maybe if Fellaini wasn't so effective as a second striker, you could make a case for playing Vic alongside Jelavic in a 4-4-2 but as it stands he should be content with a place on the bench. An alternative could be Chamakh from Arsenal who apparently wants to leave. I think he could do a good job for us without costing the earth.

To be honest I think Anichebe's had enough of a chance to prove himself and although he has undeniably scored a few important goals, the general work rate and mentality needed to make it in Moyes team (or the Premier League) appears clearly lacking.

The bigger problem however appears to be the bad attitude, something which I think permeates too many young players who basically think the world owes them a living on £30k+ a week when they've done hardly anything. There's been enough smoke around Victor's strops over the years to suggest that there's a fire there and personally I stand firmly behind Moyes in that we shouldn't stand for any Bertie Big Bollocks 'I'm bigger than the team/club' nonsense from anyone.

I'm sure he did feel hard-done by about being dropped when Jelavic came in, but there's a reason. Despite a couple of ropey games Jelly's just a far better striker at present.

If he thinks he'd be better off elsewhere then it's time to get rid in January, I reckon we could get £2-3M for him from lower echelons of Prem or top of the Championship. He'll soon enough discover how good he is then and that the grass is incredibly unlikely to be greener (like Vaughan, Gosling and even Pienaar in recent years).
If there's no takers then a half-season loan would be the obvious alternative, I'm sure we'd get some takers for that.

Dave Whitwell,

I know you didn't mean it that way but £20m and Anichebe in the same sentence nearly made me choke on my Twix.

Anichebe will never be good enough. I just don't think he has the ability and he doesn't seem to have the determination to get the best out of himself.

He did well for us in the Uefa Cup one year and he started this season well but, inevitably, it all does tits up for him. If we could get £2M for him, it'd be a cracking deal.

Vic up front is a good player, we've seen that this season already and he scores goals.

Vic on the right is a total waste of space.

I genuinely believe all the criticism is entirely based on watching him play on the right, and is completely 100% unfair when applied to him playing up front.

The story I heard although not substantiated is that he had a tit lip when Moyes named him on the bench for the Fulham game and had a whinge at Moyes about it who fucked him off to the ressies. Other than Dave Wilson there are very few who defend a very average player whose attitude has always been bigger than his goal return. Vellios and McAleny got to be better bets for the future.

Mike, it's only opinions...

Anichebe has scored 14 goals in 110 games.