Neville calls for Moyes celebration

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Everton's departing captain Phil Neville insists his final match at Goodison Park should be a celebration of manager David Moyes as he too is set to leave.

"With the events of this week for Everton, for me personally, the manager, players, supporters and chairman, it will be one of those special days we remember for the rest of our lives," said the 36-year-old, whose eight-year association with the club will end next weekend.

"Forget my situation, just in terms of the celebration of the manager and his achievements it is going to be an unbelievable day and one I can't wait to be involved in.

"I am actually a little bit glad (the attention will be on Moyes) in a way. I don't want any fuss, I've not deserved the fuss, I've just been a player. Better players than me have left this club and have achieved more than me at this club.

"You never think it is going to get to this stage where you get to a point where you are leaving a club you have loved playing for, have captained and have a real special space in your heart.

"We are at that time on Sunday. I just want the opportunity to say thank you. I also want to put my feet on that turf again, to wave and clap and do a lap of honour with the players and my family.

"This has been an unbelievable period in my career. People say I've not won a trophy and, yes, that has been a big disappointment. But in terms of happiness, meeting friends, learning, growing up as a person this has been an incredible period.

"I'm not sad, I'm proud and this will be a celebration for me."

Quotes or other material sourced from The Independent



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Jamie Crowley
1 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:06
There wouldn't be much fuss about you anyhow Phil, news or no news.

Jesus this smacks of self-absorption.

Peter Laing
2 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:47
I will celebrate in good old traditional Everton fashion when we have somethig to celebrate, i.e winning a trophy, match of significance, even a derby win these days such as how we have become. I wont be at the game on Sunday due to a prior engagement, hard to see what there is to celebrate given we are likely to be entering a period of considerable uncertainty.
Ian Hollingworth
3 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:44:48
What a surprise!!

Plucky little Everton should be grateful!

I am boring myself now but the Man Utd manager should not be in charge of Everton FC at the weekend.

Paul Johnson
4 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:42:22
It will go tits up if West Ham win.....
Kev Johnson
5 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:42:16
"Better players than me have left this club and have achieved more than me at this club." You're not wrong there, Phil.

I know, let's experiment by changing the subject of that sentence... "Better managers than Moyes have left this club and have achieved more than he has at this club." Hmm, it's still just as true. Interesting.

Celebration? You'd think Everton had been officially declared a nation in its own right and Moyes had won the World Cup with us! Polite applause from me, that's all you're getting.

Nick Entwistle
6 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:50:03
Lap of honour with the players, as happens at every last home game, then clapped off the pitch by a guard of honour, walking across the backs of Van der Meyde and Drenthe sprawled out on the turf.

Z-Cars is heard - 'what's this?' the crowd think and running onto the pitch is Malky Mackay. Not knowing who he is or knowing how to spell his name, they presume him a fat ball boy and its off down the pub.

Paul Johnson
7 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:52:44
If Dave was any good he would put 2 weeks wages behind the bar for a bevvie and something to eat.....
Liam Reilly
8 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:51:23
"I don't want any fuss"

You're right there.

Best Neville moment was at Goodison under the lights and tthe announcer comes on and says "Anyone caught smoking a ciggarette will be ejected immediately"

Out came the cry. "Quick, someone give Neville a ciggie".

Good captain, but hasn't been good on the field for sometime.

Paul Johnson
9 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:56:17
Fuck me what was I thinking that wouldnt even buy the ale for a full house......
Tommy Coleman
10 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:14
Big Celebration eh ? Well Phil can be the clown.
Kev Johnson
11 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:01:02
Maybe he meant we should all put a penny in and get Moyes a big tin of Celebrations? I don't mind doing that, to be fair - as long as I get a Malteser out of it. I don't want to be fobbed off with a mini Bounty, though.
Kevin Elliott
12 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:03:11
Brown tongued to the end eh Pip.
Dan Brierley
13 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:07:04
By no means the most skillful player in the world, and clearly past his sell by date. But I never once saw him shirk commitment, he always gave 100%. Thanks for THAT tackle, and some of the spawnest goals known to mankind.
Denis Richardson
14 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:09:21
Completely forgot he was even still at the club! Why hasn't he packed his bags and buggered off on holiday already? Not good enough for the bench let alone for the first team Phil - give Moyes a bell directly if you want a job back at united, no need to kiss arse in the press.

Looking forward to not seeing anymore of your floated crossfield 'passes'.

Exciting times at EFC......

Phil Davies
15 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:11:22
What is wrong with you jumped up, so called blues. None of you ever had ambition? how could he turn that job down. He wasnt born a blue, he has been one for 11 years and by the sound of it, thats about 10 years longer then anyone on this site. Having been a blue for more than 50 years now, I shall be at Goodison and I shall give them both a proper Everton and scouse send off.
Brian Waring
16 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:16:53
Agree with you there Dan.
David Morgan
18 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:36:06
If we can not celebrate Neville leaving.. .what can we celebrate... hip hip hooray!!!
Alun Jones
19 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:25:52
Neville was clearly vocalising his respect for the man he has worked alongside for the past 8 years. Yes during the last 2 seasons I would have prefered to see an amputee leper patrol the middle of the park but the bloke is genuine sort and have never once shirked any shit given to him.

This is now beginning to sound like a Neville love-in.....it aint. How many self absorbed football professionals would share the words 'theres been loads better than me'?? Nish, nil, none I'm reckoning. The narcisism of todays players is freaking mind-blowing so hear-here (which ever way its put) I say. Moyes still has a contract to see out so for the sole reason of lifting our pride and expectations during his tenure then I for one will be giving the bloke the upmost respect and offering cheered farewells...

Trevor Lynes
20 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:39:43
I wish the guys who just come on the site to use expletives (maybe they do not have better words in their vocabulory) would keep their vile comments to themselves.

Come on Mike Kenrick get them off the site!! You normally vet mail that is allowed in print so get a grip of these morons.

Ross Edwards
21 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:44:54
And you can piss off to OT with Davey Liar as well Pip.
Why should we be "greatful" in his words? We're not Bolton you know... we are a team with 9 League Titles.
Take your plucky little Everton crap to Old Trafford Pip, we won't miss you one jot mate.
Carl Sanderson
22 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:48:58
I for one will applaud David Moyes and Phil Neville for their contribution. I'm sorry to Moyes go: our loss is Man United's gain.

Then, once West Ham and Chelsea are out of the way, we move forward...

Paul Hardy
23 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:51:49
I say good luck to Phil Neville and David Moyes. Both men of integrity - something rare in the modern game.
Ross Edwards
24 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:52:28
Carl
What has Neville contributed to Everton? Nothing worthy of note. He has been average as has our previous manager.
"our loss is Man United's gain"
Other way round mate. Our gain is Man United's loss.
Have you fully recovered from this awful news?
Steve Higham
26 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:37:46
What a tosser you are Neville never a blue in a million years - why don't you sod off to Utd with your protector Moyes. What is he going on about a celebration does he mean about him never wearing the Everton shirt again.

Most overated player ever - but very good at pointing and shouting - should never have worn the royal blue jersey.

Steve Green
27 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:43:51
Please boys, such graceless comments. Have a bit more class.

Yes Everton fans have always loved flair and skill, but we have always appreciated effort and belonging (we fans belong forever, players buy in or they don't) and Phil Neville like Tim Cahill before him certainly bought in to our club.

James Flynn
28 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:44:49
Well, if I find the game on TV, I'll applaud them both AND Fella and Baines. Loved the 4 of them.
Paul David
29 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:45:50
" I don't want a fuss "

HAHA you were never going to get it anyway. I bet he is glad that all the attention will be on Moyes so he can kid himself if he hadn't of been leaving at the same time he would have got a big send off.

Dave Lynch
30 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:53:43
It's not Neville's fault the dour one has left. Give him a break, at least he ran till his lungs burst which is more than you can say about some of the shite Moyes bought to the club.
Not the greatest player to wear the blue shirt but certainly not the worst by a long chalk.
Liam Reilly
31 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:55:25
Cheer up. Remember the god awful......

Arsenal 7-0 and 1-6
Bucharest
Benfica
Shrewsbury, Oldham & Leeds (didn't fucking Brentford beat us too)
Every Anfield Derby
Almost every Visit to United, Arsenal and Chelsea
FA Cup Final V Chelsea
League Cup Semi-final V Chelsea with them on the ropes)
Semi v Liverpool
Wigan
Lowest points total – 03-04
Portsmouth 0-3
Blackburn 0-4,
Bolton, West Brom and Villa 4-0
God awful hoofball
Foxes in the box, running the channels and finally running out of steam and confidence
"Knife to a gunfight"

I'm sure there's more.

So there's a lot to be grateful for.

He should go now and treat the club with the respect it deserves and not this circus 'celebration' that's coming.
Eddie McBride
32 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:58:28
Is this truly the level too which our once great club has decended .

My heroes Brian Labone and Bally must be spinning in thier gaves.

Brian Harrison
33 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:55:07
No wonder the other lot call us bitter blues. Moyes has been terrific and deserves a great send off, and Neville as he admits himself not the greatest footballer but was always fully committed and never hid in games even when not playing well.

Sunday is a time once again to show the rest of the country what class fans we are yes disappointed at losing our manager but thank him for all he has done in restoring pride into our club. I hope in 12 months time I am not checking the fixtures to see if we can pick up enough points to stay in the Premiership.

Paul English
34 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:03:16
Liam, I couldn't have put it any better myself, absolutely spot on.
Paul David
35 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:02:57
Steve

"Neville bought into the club", he actually could have, the huge wages we paid him.

Steven Scaffardi
36 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:00:09
What is wrong with some of the fans on this website? Both the manager and club captain will make their final appearance in Everton colours this weekend having served us loyally for 11 and 8 years respectively. Does that not count for anything? What do some people on this forum want from these guys? Whatever your opinion, whatever you believe their shortcomings to be, they have spoke of nothing but pride to serve this club, and I believe they've always given everything for the Everton shirt.
Gary Poole
37 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:23:12
Well said Steve (637). I amazed at the childish, churlish, petulant and classless comments from some people on this site.

I don't think that will reflect the tone at Goodison on Sunday when I'm certain you will see Everton fans behaving with class and dignity and saying thanks and good luck to DM.

As you have said, I'm not sure what some people actually want. For years, many of them have been ranting for DM to go. Now he's leaving, they're ranting because he's going - you couldn't make it up!

Neil Verdin
38 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:27:38
I feel truly ashamed to be an Evertonian listening to some off the beauts on this site - especially that tosser Ross Edwards! I bet half you keyboard warriors would need directions to GP! Good luck to Moyes and Neville!!!
Jamie Barlow
39 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:31:13
I don't know why you're amazed. Are you new to this site?
Paul Smith
40 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:42:06
Love TW, been glued to it, since this saga began.

No good insulting fellow posters, the fan base was polarised during DM,s tenure , and it is as he says his farewell: nothing new there then.

Neil Verdin
41 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:43:33
Happily match-going blues will show our class on Sunday!!!
Gary Poole
42 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:46:09
Jamie - correct. I'm not amazed at all actually just constantly saddened by the small mindedness shown by some
John Crawley
43 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:41:35
Bring Moyes on after the final whistle and we can thank him and Neville but there is no way that he should be an Everton manager in charge of that game or the Chelsea one. Some ridiculous comments about Neville, he's been a true professional and a very good Captain on and off the pitch. Its not his fault that his legs went and Moyes kept playing him when he came back after his operation.
Daniel A Johnson
44 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:51:32
No Celebration for me.

That clip of Moyes and Ferguson having a touchline love in whilst our team are being battered 2-0 was enough for me.

Eugene Ruane
45 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:41:37
Neil Verdin (647) - "I feel truly ashamed to be an Evertonian listening to some off the beauts on this site - especially that tosser Ross Edwards! I bet half you keyboard warriors would need directions to GP! Good luck to Moyes and Neville!!!"

So, from the safety of your keyboard, you call someone a tosser, THEN accuse people of being 'keyboard warriors' then finish with a desperate 'better blue' load of wank

You could not sound more dumb.

Enjoy the party - be interested in your reaction when Moyes comes for Fellaini and Baines in a couple of weeks

Steven, Gary, Brian - it might interest you to know Everton are playing West Ham Utd on Sunday.

I do hope this doesn't impinge on your celebrations.

Gary Poole
47 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:59:19
Eugene - your fake indignation about DM is pathetic.

if Moyes does come for Baines and Fellaini in a couple of weeks well shit happens - it's football. Transfers take place.

However, because DM isn't in our gang anymore, we have to give him the cold shoulder.

Jesus - it's like being in the playground all over again!

Andrew Laird
48 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:52:16
In the (supposedly) professional world of premier league football, Phil Neville and David Moyes should be applauded after the game against West Ham.

If Neville has ANY minutes (which would better served for players who will be here next season) on the pitch out of sentiment then it will be a fucking unprofessional disgrace. He offers nothing at all in a professional top flight league game which we need to win to guarantee the highest place possible.

James Carlisle
49 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:02:29
Just as long as 'blue bill' is nowhere near the pitch at the end of the game they can do whatever they want. You can tell that he'll deliver a speech, tears streaming down his face, then have a little sing a song for his seperated at birth brother. It will be his greatest performance, he is just an actor after all.
Colin Glassar
50 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:10:34
Moyes's lap dog.
Neil Verdin
51 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:02:14
And you Ruane I've read your egotistical shit for many months, and yes I do feel I'm a better blue than you, everything you say is negative about my club so why wouldn't that piss me off? Your friend Edwards constant insults and your more subtle constant negativity towards a man, I feel has brought great dignity and respect to our club is infuriating! Hope you're there on Sunday - be interested in your reaction when Moyes gets the reception he deserves! Oh, and have a little look at the top of the new manager market - all a vast improvement on Moyes I'm sure! I'll finish with another remark from the safety of my I Pad - classless tossers!!!
Colin Glassar
52 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:13:54
Liam, that must be post of the year. Stand up and be applauded.
Paul David
53 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:13:24
Eugene did you touch Neil as a kid or something? His reaction seems over the top.
Kevin Tully
54 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:12:41
Brilliant - just got in from work and the SSN headline is; "Moyes willing to help Everton choose next manager"

D'ya know what, we're blessed! What a guy.

Oh, and Neil, Moyes has been paid lottery winners wages at this club, so he's not really the martyr you think he is.

"Good luck to Moyes and Neville" says it all. You are very classy. Great guy. Well done.

Andrew Laird
55 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:16:02
Neil, you seem fond of being brave behind your keyboard too.

You accuse someone of writing 'egotistical shit' while proclaiming yourself to feel a 'better blue'.. Good for you Neil.

Eugene Ruane
56 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:19:49
Paul, he's certainly very dramatic isn't he.

I actually worry about him and some of the others when the Manchester United boss walks past on his lap of 'honour'

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/nk%20dec22%20p.jpg

Andy Crooks
58 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:16:15
If David Moyes is the man I think he is(not the coach) then I would expect he will be mortified at Sunday becoming his farewell show. Why not watch from the stands and let someone else coach a team that is no longer his. After the game he and Neville can take the field and let those who want to stay behind and show their thanks.

I have wanted him gone for some time but I would still stay behind and offer applause because he has served the club for ten years but I can fully understand those who think it just wrong that he is staying for the last two games.

I won't be at the game because I just can't afford to travel over at present.(lesser blue?) .Also why should opponents of Moyes be generalized as "internet warriors" whilst his supporters are match going blues. Must we now back our opinions with our credentials?

Neil Verdin
59 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:21:56
Ha ha! I'll stick to reading from now on!!! First time I've posted in 6 months but I'm 'fond' of being brave!!! Think people on here are 'polarised' by Moyes but 35,000 matchgoers??? Think 90% are fully appreciative of what a great job he has done!!! A club which had been a laughing stock during the 90s (minus the Royle Years) is now respected throughout the land! As if Moyes won't be fully focused on 3 points!!! Fucking idiots!!! And Laird anything I say I will be more than happy to repeat to you on Sunday (in a totally non-confrontational manner of course)! Paul David - prick!! In the word of Del Boy - Bonjour!!!
Steve Brown
60 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:26:20
Paul 682 and Eugene 690, I think Neil's main issue is that he thinks you're a pair of wankers.
John Keating
61 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:26:47
Neil
do you honestly believe Moyes has brought "dignity and respect to our Club" ?
Dignity and respect would have been doing what he's said he would do all season
Dignity and respect would have been to leave with us getting something back for the millions he's been paid over the last 11 years.
The dignity and respect that Moyes demanded of others appears lacking in himself.
I have never slagged Moyes (apart from last seasons give away at Analfield )nor demanded his departure but after the disgrace of the last few days he should be shown the door as just another passing through bit part performer who is no different from anyone else that is not a True Blue.
Jim Knightley
62 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:39:40
John Keating...

You don't think taking us from a bottom six team to a top six/seven team on one of the smallest transfer budgets in the division (less than 1mil net spend per season) is us getting something back from his contract?

Brendan McLaughlin
64 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:41:54
Andy #702
I fully expect Moyes to be given a tremendous send off. So perhaps there is a difference between "internet warriors" and match going blues?
Andrew Laird
65 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:39:04
I think you might of been feverishly jabbing the ! on your ipad too hard Neil.

Now, so I can be sure it's you on Sunday could you wear a nice pair of leather trousers (with the seat missing) pulled up to your chest, with your everton shirt tucked neatly into it. in one hand a bunch of flowers (just to prove you are not confrontational) while the other should hold a rather fetching and eye catching sign which says 'I promise I wont bite'.

John Keating
66 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:48:29
No I don't actually Jim.
What exactly do you reckon we've actually had ?
Who's to say someone else couldn't have done exactly the same or better ?
We will never know.
My argument with Moyes as I said is purely down to the fact that all the shit he has espoused since joining the Club has, in my opinion, evaporated in a day.
From being a so called man of integrity and dignity he has shown himself to be no better or worse than any other "mercenary" who has signed and played for the Club.
A real person with integrity and dignity would have walked the day he decided to go - in my opinion of course.
Neil Verdin
67 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:47:04
Last one I promise, In reply to John #712 yes I do! Respect to me is how we are viewed by others. Travelling around the country EFC is held in high regard by almost everyone! Ask people around the country about LFC!! Forget the top 6 finishes – look how he dealt with the Fellaini head but on Shawcross and compare that to other incidents at other clubs this season!

I'm a fan, you're a fan – you think you're right, I think I'm right. However, my opinion appears to be supported by the board of the world's biggest club!! Whether you wanted Moyes out or not he should be shown respect on Sunday – in my opinion that is the Everton Way!!! Over and out!!!

Neil Verdin
68 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:57:36
Very, very last one for Laird. I do have a problem with exclamation marks but I have sought help for the problem!!! I don't own an Everton top but everything else should be ok!!! See you there - unless you're on the live match day forum of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Green
69 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:02:04
Neil #738 - do you gauge the validity of all of your opinions against what the Manchester United board think? Or just the ones that happen to match your own....?
Andrew Laird
70 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:04:19
Thanks Neil, I will be travelling by train so you can meet me at Lime Street around midday. Don't forget the sign.
Simon Harris
71 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:42:05
Neil - I agree, I think the majority of supporters at Goodison will want to show their appreciation for David Moyes and to a lesser degree Phil Neville.

It's building up to be a surreal afternoon, end of an era, so time to say goodbye and then move on.


Neil Verdin
72 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:07:27
No mike I usually gauge them off what people on ToffeeWeb think...
Eugene Ruane
73 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:59:22
On the down-side we haven't beaten Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal away in eleven years.

- 40,000 blues lower their heads in shame -

BUT....

- 40,000 blues raise their heads -

On the plus side....

- 40,000 blues look hopeful

"Moyes was honest about Fellaini"

- 40,000 blues break open Champagne and sing 'what an atmosphere' -

(fuck me, anyone else remember when it was all about Everton winning games?)

Michael Kenrick
74 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:08:32
Bitter Blues indeed... I've always hated that expression but so many posts in the last couple of days seem to be intent on reinforcing the stereotype. It's like a Sopranos style "You're dead to me" mentality has gripped a section of the fanbase. I'm wondering now how audible the boos will be on Sunday afternoon... I'm imaging a reprise of the Kenwright mugshot on camera, followed by a wave of applause drowning them out...

I'll be celebrating — not because I agree with Brian (#630) on Moyes but because it gives us a chance for a much-needed fresh start. But what Brian says about Neville was spot-on. Given the general apathy / support for Kenwright and the club hierarchy, and seemingly widespread dislike of the BU, I'm sure the majority will not be so mean-spirited.

Brendan McLaughlin
75 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:07:52
Mike #750
"...against what the Manchester United board think?"....
And the Everton Board
And the majority of Everton fans
And the majority of other football managers
And...fans of other clubs,pundits, players, sports journalists etc. etc. etc.
Ross Edwards
76 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:18:27
Well Verdin, you applaud and have love ins with him, Edwards and Ruane won't.
Wayne McNee
77 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:04:42
I am both a "keyboard warrior" & "match going" (time permitting) & the only thing I can smell is bullshit...

A) Moyes has lied. All the cloak & dagger mystery surrounding the "will he, won't he" contract stalling.

B) Sir Alex Ferguson didn't wake up Wednesday & think it was a good time to retire. This is a big decision that goes beyond club football. It will have been decided at the beginning of the season at least!

C) Moyes has been Fergies top arse rimmer since before he came to EFC. It's well known that DM can & does pick up the phone or meet for mentoring.

D) There's been a weird sort of noticeable link between MUFC & EFC that makes me uneasy, for a while now?

We've been done over MUFC styleee!

Mike Green
78 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:16:19
And we will see how it pans out and what, you, I and all of the people you list are thinking in a season or two Brendan.

At Preston Moyes nearly did something special, but didn't.

At Everton Moyes nearly did something special, but didn't.

At Man Utd, given all the facilities and resources a manager could want then, if you and the majority are right about Moyes, he will achieve something special.

Titles.....? Champions Leagues....? Doubles..... Trebles.....?

We will have to wait and see.

Ross Edwards
79 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:21:13
"I feel truly ashamed to be an Evertonian listening to some off the beauts on this site - especially that tosser Ross Edwards! I bet half you keyboard warriors would need directions to GP! Good luck to Moyes and Neville!!!"
Clearly the grief over his lovers Moyes and Pip leaving have led to him having an emotional outburst at my expense.
Michael, Lyndon, surely you must look at this comment and get this idiot banned. I will not tolorate being abused like this.
Disgraceful.
Jim Knightley
80 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:17:08
John... someone posted the finishing positions of Moyes on here the other...and the years before he arrived:

2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th
2012-13 6th
and before....
2000-01 16th
1999-00 13th
1998-99 14th
1997-98 17th
1996-97 15th
1995-96 6th
1994-95 15th & FA Cup -
1993-92 17th
1992-93 13th
1991-92 12th

Now... is that the finishing position, before Moyes, of a top club? or a team generally struggling in the bottom third of the Premier league? in the last 10 years, Moyes has a net spend of 863,000 per season. That's less than Norwich, Newcastle, Fulham, West Brom, West Ham, QPR, Sunderland, Stoke, Spurs, Villa, United, Liverpool, City and Chelski...

What do I reckon we've had? what do you think?

I'll call him a miracle worker. A manager who has restored pride to this team. Who has left it in a far far far better state than when he took over.
And there's moaning because he hasnt beaten a select top four away during his tenure? has anyone bothered to work out how good his home record has been against these teams? how often we won at the Bridge and Old Trafford and Anfield before he arrived?

It amazes me how football fans seem to lack any objectivity...and somehow imagine we are still a top side, because of history.

Jim Knightley
81 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:27:02
Wayne...ffs, Ferguson would not have decided to retire at the beginning of the season...do you know football?! you actually think Ferguson, would have decided to retire before winning united's 20th league title, and winning the title back off City.....

Are you thinking of the same Ferguson?

Frida Ericsson
82 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:27:31
some people will always be blind to the scoreline at the end of match day and the shite we played under Moyes...stats are just that...who cares about ginger gollum pop eyes? next season there will be another champions league place up for grabs as united fail to make it past the top 8
Stephen Smyth
83 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:26:57
Ross is correct, the rest just sycophants, sure why not invite Nick Barmby as well to join the partaaay!
Mike Green
84 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:30:25
We could get Andy Van Der Meyde to run the bar.....?
Frida Ericsson
85 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:29:22
Well Jim, he was planning on measurement, and had stated before this season started that this would be the year he retired 'if' he won the league title.

By around December it was clear United had won the league, the only other team that could have put up a fight was city, and lets be honest here, they simply where never good enough to catch united by that point.

Frida Ericsson
86 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:28
Hey Mike, sounds like a great idea!
Jim Knightley
87 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:18
Frida...are you being sarcastic or was that post actually authentic?

League finishing positions are just stats now...and transfer spending too?

Ross Edwards
88 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:05
"Whether you wanted Moyes out or not he should be shown respect on Sunday – in my opinion that is the Everton Way!!!"
So calling a fellow Evertonian a tosser is the Everton way is it?
Gavin Ramejkis
89 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:34
Here's a stat for anyone interested, Moyes current win percentage rate for games in the EPL stand at 40.3% the same as John Gregory and way below many others deemed failures
Ross Edwards
90 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:34:03
"classless tossers!!!"
Well Verdin, ranting about me and Eugene being keyboard warriors, then a needless insult calling us tossers because we have a different opinion of your lover than you.
Calling us keyboard warriors, then calling us tossers. The irony is brilliant isn't it.
If you miss your lovers so much, why don't you follow Moyes and Neville to Old Trafford?
Mike Green
91 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:35:38
Now that is very interesting Gavin. I imagine his loss percentage is very low though? Which would mean..... would mean..... erm.... he propped himself up with........ draws....?

Exciting!

John Keating
92 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:25:24
Neil
you're so hyped up I'm sure you are not quite sure what you're saying.
I personally am only an Everton supporter and I couldn't give two shits what the "board of the worlds biggest club think " you obviously do.
I am only interested in how my team are viewed by us.
My point is that Moyes has set himself up to be a man of principle and in my opinion in the last few days that's been thrown out the window.
I have always been ambivalent about Moyes but if you're gonna preach then practise what you preach.
I don't want to see Moyes booed by anyone on Sunday. I think he shouldn't be there to be booed or cheered.
These guys come and go, unfortunately we can't.
He managed us for 11 years and he was our manager, now he's decided to go, so go but please don't tell us how much he loved us etc etc etc etc
A true man of principle would have been honest with the supporters - he wasn't !
Mike Green
93 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:37:59
Ross - can you calm down please, you're making me feel giddy.
Brendan McLaughlin
94 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:35:11
Ross #788
Its not all bad. Moyes had to work pretty dam hard for his accolade...you're much more of a natural.
Graham Mockford
96 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:55
Ross #775

"Miss, miss he's been calling me names, he's been really horrible to me"

If you going to dish it out you have got to learn to take it.

Jeremy Benson
97 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:23
This place is becoming www.rossedwardsweb.com

very boring.

Wayne McNee
98 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:21
Yes Jim. I do know football but I am also familiar with business & the corporate empire that is MUFC (regardless of his adulation in the world of football ) would not allow this sort of decision to be made without an exact plan of action or little notice. That's pretty digestable & then the idea that DM knew of this in advance & stalled on signing a new contract is also very likely. Nothing to do with football mate... All about the money. It's not like in the Roy of the Rovers days.
Ross Edwards
99 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:27
No Graham, I did not join this site and expect to be called a tosser. I don't mind constructive criticism or "Eh, what are you on about, what rubbish" that's fine, but being called a tosser for no reason is unacceptable and I'm not having that.
Ross Edwards
100 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:41
Jeremy
No it isn't.
Neil Verdin
101 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:02
I'm so sorry Ross after all the tasteless names you have called the manager of the club you support (well before this weeks events I might add), I didn't realise you would be so precious! If the editors feel I need to be banned for calling you a tosser then so be it! In the Everton Way, I will take my punishment like a man... But I do think you're a tosser and you think I'm an idiot! Great stuff... Is that the school bell I hear?!?!?
Mike Green
102 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:45
Ross - I think all you need to do is tap the little Report Abuse link on the offending comment and the editors will deal with it.
Brent Stephens
103 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:09
Tosser (Ross, that's not directed at you necessarily). Wouldn't there be a defence in a court of law if the person does toss?
Ross Edwards
104 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:47:29
Glad we sorted that out Neil...
Graham Mockford
105 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:57
Ross

I would resign forthwith and not post any more comments until a full and unreserved apology is forthcoming. That will show them.

Brent Stephens
106 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:49:45
Graham. Ha! But what would such a person do with time on one's hands?
Jim Knightley
107 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:13
Wayne..if you know football, then you know Alex Ferguson would never retire before this title was in the bag. Moyes was also talking about the Bundesliga six months ago...and asking for money from this board. There is no way he knew he was taking over at Old Trafford then.

It doesn't take months and months to sign up a manager. The re-scheduling of Ferguson's hip operation (announced one week ago) suggests his decision was relatively recent. Personally, I expect he decided in March(ish), when the title was pretty well wrapped up, and I expect Moyes has been contacted more recently.

Ross Edwards
108 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:51:33
No Graham. That would be victory for Mr Verdin, I will carry on.
Eugene Ruane
109 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:09
Firstly, Neil can call me a tosser or whatever else he wants.

Not a problem for me, heard em all before, I say go for it.

More importantly, let me state this as simply and clearly as I can.

Under NO circumstances would I ever boo David Moyes.

And had he ACTUALLY left yesterday, I would, no question, have applauded him on his return to Goodison with Manchester United next season (maybe not as long and loud as others but...)

Plus, as much as I wanted him gone, I have often balanced posts on what I've seen as his footballing shortcomings, by pointing out his plusses - honesty, his dealings with the media, his work ethic etc.

(I know this confuses those who can only deal in black and white but not much I can do about someone else's lack of capacity to understand a post...Neil, Gary etc)

I have (I'm fairly sure) always kept my criticism to specifics about his football and when halfway through last season we decided to play some football worth watching, I posted to praise him for doing so.

He is now Manchester Utd's manager and I would wish him luck with it (although I'm only interested in what Everton F.C do).

However him agreeing to, or deciding on taking charge of Everton against West Ham is imo just plain fucking wrong.

Everton should have said no, so should Moyes - the game is now a sideshow.

Mike Green
110 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:52:54
That's the spirit Ross, keep your chin up.
Nick Entwistle
111 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:03
That Ferguson, can't believe Utd will accept him taking charge for the last two games. His mind is on retirement and he should have left as soon as he knew he'd retire. Absolute joke. He can take Mick Phelan with him.
Brent Stephens
112 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:15
Mike, I'm sure he can hold his own.
John Keating
113 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:43:33
Jim when I say getting something back from the millions he's been paid over 11 years was actually about him signing a new contract and if Utd think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread they would gladly have paid compo.
You took it as league position.
Well I still don't agree with you cos taking your interpretation of my remark then I would say that I would have expected us to win some silverware - even the Zenith Data thing ! Anything.
So, no he hasn't repaid us anything.
If you think being the best of the rest is good enough then theres nothing I can say.
I don't see Moyes as a culprit I see him as a victim of this Board, thing is this man of principle has been privy to far more info about that shower than we have and he's supported them. He's the one who lied to supporters about signing/not signing.
I remember Carey being sacked in the taxi, very few men of principle in the last 50 years at Goodison.
Yes we've done many things the right way, far better than those over the road but at the end of the day its been a succession of mercenaries, Moyes is just the latest.
Frida Ericsson
114 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:33:08
One can only hope that Moyes fans will go with him down the road there is no place left here for them.
Wayne McNee
115 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:23
Well Jim I think DM will have been following MUFC's results as closely as Fergie from the first game of the season. Although he didn't stoop so low as to throw the game ( Tongue in cheek )
Tommy Meehan
116 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:59:47
Nice pun there Brent
Brent Stephens
117 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:59:18
Good one, Nick.
John Ford
118 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:53:42
Is there ever a managerial change which isn't messy in some way, especially if there's an existing manager involved? Most seem rife with recriminations. This seems fairly painless, albeit Moyes refusal to sign has a distinct whiff about it.
Neil Verdin
119 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:53:17
Ross did you infer in an earlier post that I am a homosexual??? #793 "different opinion to my lover than you!" I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were referring to my wife's new job rather than Mr. Moyes move to MUFC!! Don't worry though - I won't tell the editor!! Tbh, you do make me chuckle big guy!!!
Mike Green
120 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:58:58
Nick #827 - the whole reason we're in this particular fix regarding the last two games is to fit in with Fergusons goodbye celebrations. He is calling the shots at his club, and it seems you're happy for him to be calling them at ours as a result too?
Simon Harris
121 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:51:54
This site is fucking hilarious sometimes. Love it
Ross Edwards
122 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:02:05
Don't worry Neil. All is forgiven. Lets carry on as normal shall we.
Graham Mockford
123 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:01:17
Frida

That might put a bit of a strain on match day attendances.

I have seen some stupid comments on here but that is right up there.

Nick Entwistle
124 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:02:20
Thank you for taking it seriously Mike.

You can't deny Fergie a send off this weekend at OT, and I'm still not sure why the NYSE can demand to know his replacement, but if he had to be named immediately then in what other way could this pan out that would keep people happy.

Lots of people in a tizz here but its a fairly unique set of circumstances.

Carl Sanderson
125 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:00:12
Eugene:

"He is now Manchester Utd's manager."

No, he is not. He remains the manager of Everton until 30th June, when his contract expires.

John Ford
126 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:05:33
Is our Nev trying to sound all grown up and presidential like? You'd think there was a job at stake or sommat..........
Ross Edwards
127 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:07:08
Lets end the season on a high, say farewell and lets get the new man in early Bill!
Brendan McLaughlin
128 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:11:16
Ross #847
Now you're really starting to freak me out...
Neil Verdin
129 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:09:17
Thanks for the olive branch Ross - I will be your BFF if you promise not to mention Frank De Boer a million times a day??? Deal? But that Ruane fella still got no time for him!!!
Ross Edwards
130 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:13:03
Promise Neil. Just once more?
Eugene Ruane
131 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:08:19
Carl Sanderson (842) - " He remains the manager of Everton until 30th June, when his contract expires"

Oh my god REALLY!!!??

You should notify the world's media immediately - they're all mistakenly referring to him as "New Manchester United manager, David Moyes"

Frida Ericsson
132 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:00:08
Jim, while we all know its true that having no money put the shackles on our transfer policies. In the long run, I do not think it would have matter all that much.

If you look at Moyes team, they are full of his favourite players, who shouldn't be anywhere near the bench in mine and many other peoples eyes.

His skill set is very narrow, compared to other managers around him.

David Moyes was tactically naive, never knew how to turn around a match.
So many things that I did not like about the way he managed.

People will point and say things like, well he kept Everton in the top 7 etc. Did anyone stop to think, just how bad this premier league is outside of the top 4 or 5 with spurs?

If all we had to do was play half a season and still finish 6th, should show you how shockingly poor the premier league is. Look at this season , and remind us all again how many draws we have had and why we are still 6th? How can the teams below us, be faring worse than us?, it isn't Moyes...

Anyway, next season I am looking forward to, and I will be right behind the new manager unless its one of the ones we really don't need, like hughes, oneill, lennon etc.

Seems most United fans are going to be doing a Hodgson on Moyes at the start of next season, can't blame them really. While he will be there, success will be finishing in the top 8

Frida Ericsson
133 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:36
Graham Mockford - as stupid as doing nothing you mean?
John Ford
134 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:40
Who gave Ross their spare Valium stash?
Ross Edwards
135 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:20:58
John
I stole them from Doddy!
Neil Verdin
136 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:19:00
Ross #847 would have loved this post to have been your first on this topic! Much more befitting of Everton Football Club!!!
Brent Stephens
137 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:57
Frida "Anyway, next season I am looking forward to, and I will be right behind the new manager unless its one of the ones we really don't need, like hughes, oneill, lennon etc".

Sounds as if you're happy to have a pop at people even before you see how they perform. You've formed your opinion, so...

You wouldn't be behind our new manager?

Frida Ericsson
138 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:22:53
as long as its not the aforementioned managers yes I would be behind whoever, to give him a fair chance
Brent Stephens
139 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:24:01
Frida, so anybody else you wouldn't give a fair chance! You said it!
Ross Edwards
140 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:25:20
Neil
Next seaon you will see all of my comments befitting Everton Football Club!
Mike Green
141 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:05:43
Nick #841 - thank you for responding seriously :)

I think at the end if the day people have got different perspectives.

I think we'd agree Fergie and Utd can do what they want, they have gained the power to suit themselves.

Moyes has been made an offer he can't refuse and has chosen to go for it. I don't begrudge him his decision at all.

Where I think we differ is once that decision is made I don't believe he can stay, he no longer belongs here.

Where I think you, and many others sit is given the length of his tenure, results etc it would be the right thing to let him play out the final two games of his 11 years, say goodbye and move on.

The problem is on that final difference because of our beliefs / perspectives its unlikely many people will shift, hence the friction you can see on this site.

Either way, I'm think we (almost) all wish him well and all want to see a positive replacement. Now lets get here two games won and bury the Reds. :)

Graham Mockford
142 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:19:13
Frida

You think Moyes is tactically naive and useless.

SAF has personally recommended him as the next manager of the biggest football club on the planet.

Mmm who's opinion to take.

And then the coup de grace. To paraphrase " I will be completely behind the next Everton manager as long as it is one I like"

Are you sure you are not related to Jimmy?

Frida Ericsson
143 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:24:40
what I am trying to say Brent, is that we need some one who has a lot of experience, perhaps a continental manager, not some former sacked manager from the last 12 months. Hope I did not come across bad, sorry.
Frida Ericsson
144 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:27:04
Graham Mockford - yes because Moyes has been very close friends with SAF for a very long time, much longer than he Moyes has been at GP.
Brent Stephens
145 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:27:54
OK, Frida. I now see what you mean.
Frida Ericsson
146 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:03
Sorry for the misunderstanding, my English can be bad a lot.
Colin Wainwright
147 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:15:42
I truly have every respect for David Moyes and the effort he has put in to managing us over the last 11 years. That, in no way whatsoever, has anything to do with me wanting him out the door, two fuckin' days ago. We're a professional football club playing at the highest level of the game (or so we should be). By allowing Moyes to run the club whilst effectively operating as our rivals manager, makes us a laughing stock, imo. And I lay the blame, squarely at our chairmans feet.
Phil Johnson
148 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:16
Moyes and Phil Neville have served our club well over the last number of years. For that reason I will be applauding them both on Sunday
Barry Stevens
149 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:29:11
So because Fergie chose him it proves all the Moyes doubters wrong does it. Lets have a look at a few off his number twos and how they did as managers. Brian Kidd @ Blackburn relegated. Carlos Quirez@ Real, he lasted long didn't he. The wally with the brolly @ England.

Just because someones a great manager dosnt mean they know how to choose a fellow great

Nick Entwistle
150 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:31:55
Mike, that is true. Perspectives can so often be choices - and are in fact separate from the event. Then how we choose to respond to those perspectives creates two steps of variables from that original event.

It all comes down though to whether or not you're a fan of Moyes, so this last two game business is really a perspective by proxy.

I could have bet the house Eugene and Ross wouldn't have liked the situation... but of course fans of Moyes see it from an unbiased and thoroughly objective perspective that requires no further questioning or doubt.

NONE!

Brent Stephens
151 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:37:05
Frida, my English can be poor at times. And I'm from Liverpool (ah, well, maybe that's it!).
Colin Wainwright
152 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:41:19
"Fan of Moyes"? Says it all.
Graham Mockford
153 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:24
Frida

If you think Man Utd will appoint a manager because he is a mate you really are in la la land. Like most of the MOB who constantly derided him and claimed he would never get a big job the last 48 hours has been a real shot across the bows.
So instead of showing a bit of grace we have had another series of smoke screens.

He has betrayed us.
He shouldn't be in charge for the last two games
He will fail at United

I will be there on Sunday and I can confidently predict he will get a good reception because the vast majority of match going supporters appreciate his time at the club.

James Martin
154 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:36:09
Whether you wanted Moyes out or not you cannot say that the club hasn't imrpoved whils the's been here. If you can't see the difference between the playing squad now and the one he inherited then you have truly been blinded by hatred for the man. If we end up with a decent manager it will be because we are now an attractive prospect living off more than just the sentimental 'we're Everton one of the top 5 clubs in the country' - the reality is that counts for nothing to those outside the club. Its a more attractive prospect now because of the league position, the quality of the playing squad and the infra-structure in place and that has been the work of Moyes. If someone comes in and gets fourth and wins us a trophy then happy days, what an achievement for them, but the opportunity is only there for someone to do that because the platform has been so well laid. A new manager could not come in now if we had the 2002 squad and expect to qualify for the champions league in his first season. It would be impossible. Now the new manager could come in and if he improves the team at all will have a genuine chance at pushing fourth next year. That is what Moyes has left in place and surely people can see that and deem it worthy of a respectful send off at Goodison.
Colin Wainwright
155 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:48:03
It doesn't matter James. He's not our manager anymore. We can be respectful without baring our arse to Utd. He should be out the door.
Gerry Quinn
156 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:49:44
"Whether you wanted Moyes out or not you cannot say that the club hasn't improved whils the's been here. If you can't see the difference between the playing squad now and the one he inherited then you have truly been blinded by hatred for the man."
Totally agree with your statement James #894. It is difficult to understand why there is so much bitter hatred - unbelievable for a man who really did continually improve our pathetic standing when he joined us...

http://www.premierleaguepredictions.com/blog/david-Moyes-managerial-record-vs-the-best

Graham Mockford
157 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:51:11
Barry

I don't think he has been selected as a no.2. £5m a year for 6 years suggests they think he is the real deal.

Steven Telford
158 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:57:14
Jim #778
I think your post says it all, the problem is that the anti-Moyes guys, along with being incredibly disrespectful to a guy who has give so much to the club, don’t have much time for facts and numbers. They tend to prefer their snide opinions over actual facts.

They have conveniently forgotten that last week most of them supported the idea that "A big club would never touch him". And rather than offer up a bit of humility – as somebody who is normal would when they are seen to be so wrong – well, being wrong actually seems to reinforce their opinions of themselves.
Now, how can you have a rational argument with somebody like that?

A net spend of less than 1 million a year......... how dumb do you have to be to not respect that.

And if next season is a fuck up, wouldn’t surprise me if we had an outbreak of amnesia.

Neil Verdin
159 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:45:23
“Obviously it’s a sad time for Everton, it meant so much to me as a club and the fans understand that it means so much to him.
“He’s done so much in the game and to be rewarded with the job at Manchester United is a mark of how much they respect him and everything he’s done as a manager.
“He cared so much about Everton that it took over his life, and that’s what happens when you join a club like Everton. For me personally, he was like a father figure. He wasn’t someone who needed to praise you all the time but he was someone who got the best out of you on and off the park.
“I’m a bit shocked because it’s one of the biggest jobs in the world.
“We text each other quite a lot and I’ve wished him all the best. He’s someone I can still turn to now for advice, whether it’s football or not.”

Tim Cahill

A player I personally admire and trust - but I suppose he is full of hit too!!!!

Kevin Tully
160 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:37:18
Q. - Why weren't these managerial changes left until the season had finished, as would be the norm in a situation like this?

A. Because Manchester United wanted (not Everton) to give their manager a send-off in front of the Old Trafford faithful.

They didn't even consider our position, and all this was played out through the media, before any formal announcements or even any formal approaches to Everton were made. They only let us announce our manager was leaving because of an afterthought.

If that doesn't make us their lap-dogs, bitches or whatever else you can describe this once proud club as, then I don't know what does.

For that reason, I won't be joining in with party I'm afraid. I have a little pride left for this club, even if some are really happy Dave has landed a 'massive' job. Sorry.

Eugene Ruane
161 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:26:55
Nick (886) - "I could have bet the house Eugene and Ross wouldn't have liked the situation... but of course fans of Moyes see it from an unbiased and thoroughly objective perspective that requires no further questioning or doubt".

Wow, you're SO perceptive - fancy you knowing that I would be against Manchester United's manager being in charge of Everton for a couple of games.

Fancy you knowing I wouldn't like the distraction of the Moyes love-in before an important game.

Incredible!

By the way, I would 'bet the house' that if Moyes shat it into his own hand and flung it into your garden, you'd be on here talking about him helping put fertilizer down.

Seriously, you sound like a 70s teenie-bopper with a crush over Donny Osmond.

Let him go Nick, just....let him go.

Ian Bennett
162 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:50:25
I'd like to know who Moyes would recommend for his post.
Nick Entwistle
163 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:52:39
Failing to recognise the irony of the post Eugene.

Outraged at everything...

Carl Sanderson
164 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:21:11
Steven 916:

Some of the Moyes-haters were adamant that United would not approach Moyes right up to the moment that it happened. As you say, they ignore facts and present their prejudices as "opinion". Some people are just deranged with hatred for Moyes; they deserve our sympathy.


Neil 927:

Good post, that; thanks. Tim was another great servant to Everton (wonder who signed him...)

Ste Traverse
165 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:38:05
Sunday is a potential three points for this great club, not a 'Moyes celebration' Neville you dickhead.
Eugene Ruane
166 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:29:36
Nick - you've told us you're a Moyes fan, so enjoy the David show on Sunday

Don't be too surprised though if at some stage, an Everton West Ham game breaks out.

If it does, just ignore it and keep shrieking and applauding towards the dugout.

Oh and no throwing your undies, specially as you'll have probably soiled them the moment you see 'Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"

Steven Telford
167 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:51:13
Eugene, you have somthing against people who express gratitude?
Paul Johnson
168 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:53:33
As I said early in the post, it will go tits up if West Ham win......
Paul Johnson
169 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:55:02
Steve 983 he got 65,000 worth of gratitude every week. Oh sorry he did it for the love of the game.
Does anyone seriously remember him grinning like a Cheshire cat as the sky interviewer chased him. Fucking blind faith.
Paul Johnson
170 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:55:02
Steve 983 he got 65,000 worth of gratitude every week. Oh sorry he did it for the love of the game.
Does anyone seriously remember him grinning like a Cheshire cat as the sky interviewer chased him. Fucking blind faith.
Carl Sanderson
172 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:58:48
Paul:

Don't know about you but I will be very, very surprised if West Ham win.

Ray Robinson
173 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:56:36
Sorry, you miserable gits. I'm well aware that Neville has his many limitations as a player and that David Moyes has obvious limitations as a manager, but I've never doubted their commitment to Everton. In these days of false commitment - i.e. kissing the badge - I'm just glad that two great professionals chose to represent our club and always gave their best to that end. I will applaud both men off the pitch at the end because that's what I do to people who give 100%.
Kev Johnson
174 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:03:11
Why's that, Carl? I mean in purely footballing terms.
Brendan McLaughlin
175 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:04:55
Paul#984
As you "said early" & then felt the need to repeat? You're not hoping it will go "tits up"...are you?
Paul Johnson
176 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:06:02
Apart from the fact that their record is shit at Goodison I cannot see why they are not capable of winning Carl.
Whoa I get it! You think they have the let's kiss Ferguson's arse syndrome like our beloved board.
There is nothing more big Sam would love than to prove a point. I really do despair.
Paul Johnson
177 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:11:42
Brendan let's get one thing straight I am a blue and I was brought up in a time when I expected my team to win no matter who we were playing, so you can bet your arse I want us to win. What I am referring to is the Davey love in could turn seriously sour if we are 2 nil down with 5 minutes to play.
As so many Moyesists have said in the past substance over style. Well there is no substance in getting beat.
Kev Johnson
178 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:18:29
Anyone fancy talking about football at all?
Carl Sanderson
179 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:15:49
Kevin 994:

I will be surprised if West Ham win because their team is inferior to Everton's.

Carl Sanderson
180 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:21:20
Paul 997:

I never said West Ham are incapable of winning on Sunday; I merely expressed the view that I will be surprised if they do.

The rest of your post is irrational, to say the least.

Paul Johnson
181 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:22:13
Bet you were thinking the same thing before the Wigan game Carl. West Ham will not rolll over.
Kev Johnson
182 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:21:59
That's a bit general, Carl! Wigan were allegedly "inferior" to us but they thrashed us in the cup. [Please note: I am trying to steer the conversation onto the actual game here, leaving all the rest of the stuff to one side.]
Eugene Ruane
183 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:12:43
Steven (983) - "Eugene, you have somthing against people who express gratitude?"

Absolutely not.

Want to express gratitude?

I wouldn't DREAM of stopping you or anyone else

So why not write Moyes a letter expressing your gratitude.

And/or wait until he returns with Utd next year and give him a nice round of applause which will show your gratitude.

So as you see, I am not against people who express gratitude.

What I AM against is THIS particular show of gratitude.

The show of gratitude that turns an Everton game of some importance, into a fucking side-show, which is what this Moyes gratitude-fest will do.

A big fat distraction that means the game takes second place to Manchester United's new manager.

Now let me ask YOU a question?

Are you happy with this?

Carl Sanderson
184 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:25:32
Paul:

You are correct in that I expected us to beat Wigan. It didn't happen and so I was wrong. I never said that West Ham will roll over; my stated view is that we will win on Sunday. That's all: nothing controversial. If West Ham do win then I will have been wrong once again.

Carl Sanderson
185 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:31:42
Kevin 008:

Anyone can beat anyone else; we beat Man United in August and yet they are now twenty-odd points ahead of us. In general, however, the better teams beat the weaker teams - and we are stronger than West Ham. Ergo, I expect us to win in Sunday.

Kev Johnson
186 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:36:58
It's not that simple, Carl. We have played pretty well at home against the teams above us in the table and regularly struggled against teams below us who come for a draw and hope to hit us on the counter.

It's going to be a funny old atmosphere at Goodison, whichever way you look at it. That may or may be to our advantage.

PS: My name is not Kevin.

Kev Johnson
187 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:44:04
EDIT: "That may or may not be to our advantage."
Carl Sanderson
188 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:01:55
Kev 022:

I agree with the entirety of your post. Nevertheless, I continue to believe that we will beat West Ham on Sunday. If I am wrong then obviously I will have to live with that.

ps apols re your name

Mike Green
189 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:55:14
Carl - #965

FACT - Moyes has never won a trophy

FACT - Moyes as never competed in the Chs League proper

FACT - Moyes has got into the Top 4 once in 11 years

FACT - Moyes has never won at Anfield, Arsenal, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge in the league in 11 years of trying.

FACT - Moyes failed to get Preston promoted

Seeing as you brought it up, can I see some of your unprejudiced facts on why one of the most powerful clubs in the world would see Moyes as the obvious choice to succeed Ferguson?

Karl Masters
190 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:37:37
It's pretty typical that Ferguson wants a send off so he gets what he wants and fuck everyone else. I'm led to believe he wanted his leaving announced the morning of this Sunday's game but some blabber mouth at a Manure golf day let it slip early at the 19th hole.

It's not just us it affects. Wigan, the week of an FA Cup Final and in a desperate battle to stay up now have talk of Martinez leaving to join us to distract them and ruin their fans' big day. In fact all clubs whose Manager will be linked with us will have their season end affected.

What really pisses me off is the meedja and their love in with Ferguson whose supposed God-like status seems to have made them forget him overseeing 27 years of hounding referees, insulting all and sundry, pulling them out of the FA Cup that year, demanding more time be added on so his team can get back into a game etc, etc. Sure he's been a cunning old fox, but he's a bitter old whiskey nose full of hatred as well and sadly for us, we've got caught up in it this time.

Carl Sanderson
191 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:17:52
Mike:

I can't be bothered to reprise all the arguments about money, etc, which have been done to death. I refer you to Joe Beardwood's excellent column on ToffeeWeb, or the recent analysis in the FT, or the feature in the Guardian last week. Or Sir Alex Ferguson's comments. Or Sir Bobby Charlton's comments. Or Bill Kenwright's impression of a cake in the rain. Or the overwhelmingly approving reaction of the press to Moyes's new appointment.

Mike Green
192 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:26:02
So........ you're relying on opinion..... or interpretation.... or what others say now then.....? Not facts which which is apparently what your whole argument rested on in 965.

These 'facts' which you fail to go into detail in your response also seem to revolve around performing with no money, which frankly make them null and void at Man Utd - no?

A simple 'fair enough, I was probably a bit rash' would've done. Don't worry about it though, prejudices can be hard to shift can't they?

Brendan McLaughlin
193 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:36:06
Mike #032
"Failed to get Preston promoted"...are you sure?
Mike Green
194 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:39:08
OK Brendan - you're right, Im wrong (see Carl it can be done)

FACT - Moyes took Preston from the third tier of English Football.

FACT - he will have received a trophy for this

FACT - I was wrong

Regardless, these are again facts, none of which will have got him the job. I'm still waiting to see the FACTS Carl was waving around which made him so sure Moyes was nailed on for job.

Thank you for that though Brendan, very good.

James Flynn
195 Posted 11/05/2013 at 04:29:11
This thread is so long, I'm sure I missed it. It has to be somewhere in here.

What will be the reaction from the fans when Kenwright's weeping face is thrown up on the screen?

Paul Ferry
196 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:04:52
A mixture of hilarity and deep sadness for my club James.

You're right. Never mind Moyes, fingers crossed that BK gets some invective next Sabbath day.

Paul Ferry
197 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:17:23
Can I also add that Eugene far from being the boiling McEnroe peeps are saying on here is talking a lot of sense
James Flynn
198 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:36:04
Paul - Since we've had a few pretending they'll boo him Sunday, I really wonder what response Bill's kisser on the screen will provoke. 35,000 storming the owner's box?
Ed Fitzgerald
199 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:07:27
I wish David Moyes well at Man Utd but I don't think he should have stayed in charge for the last two games. His posturing over his contract since Xmas has hurt Everton as a club, when we should have brought some players in as this has probably cost us a place in Europe. He may want to delude himself by saying he was intending to stay but his actions are as a obvious as a prostitute in Amsterdam's red light district... "C'mon get me, boys, I'm available but make sure you have plenty of euros at the ready.

I can't believe some of the sentimental clap trap on here about him. It was OUR club that built his reputation not vice versa. He has done a good job but has never truly captured the hearts of the Goodison faithful because of his caution and his inability to allow his teams to play with the freedom that some of us crave. If he is such a wonderful manager you should listen to Man Utd fans' opinion of him and mostly important their views on the quality of football he has produced at Goodison. Perhaps at Man Utd he will undergo some metamorphosis into a more expansive, fluent style, time will tell and he will certainly have the resources at his disposal.

Football is a results business but it's also an entertainment business and I don't think for the vast majority of the 11 years I have been really excited by watching us play that often. We have been a mirror of Moyes's character: steady, hard working, resolute, boring with inability to somehow assimilate a genuine entertainer within this structure. Reading some of the posts here I think I'd better bring some Andrex on Sunday as it looks many will be either drenching the terraces with tears or tossing themselves off over Davey "People's Club" Moyes.

Hopefully now although god knows with BK we can stop being Man Utd's bItch as we have been for the last 11 years.

Paul Kelly
200 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:25:18
That's right Phil. Let's celebrate.

Let's celebrate 11 years without a trophy, let's celebrate 11 years of KITAP1, 11 years of dour defensive shite apart from the first few games of this season.

Let's celebrate the fact that he has fucked us firmly up the shitter with regards to signing a new contract and was going to Man Utd all along.

Five minutes he stated it would take to iron out his contract. Well that's three 5 mins per half time per game and that's just while were in action to sign said contract.

So, to be blunt, Do one. The only celebrating I'll be doing is when that charlatan and his smug grin he had whilst running from theSky cameras fucks off down the East Lancs.

Paul Ferry
202 Posted 11/05/2013 at 06:07:46
Ed Fitz - 93 - lovely post mate. I was stumbling to find my words and you found them for me. Cheers mate.
Tim Jones
203 Posted 11/05/2013 at 06:20:35
Don'tcha just love the chutzpah of the Moyeophiles even after he has lied to them for months and crapped all over them they are still fawning at his feet and telling the MOB they should be apologising for saying no big club would ever employ him. Why ? - who knows maybe it fits their mentality of self flagellation and tears at losing their Messiah. They are lashing out at those who told them all along he was not 'Decent', 'Honorable' and 'Everton through and through' man they were DECEIVED in to thinking he was and was just a self-serving mercenary Jock .

But why should we apologise for Manchester United's STUPIDITY.

Jim Potter
205 Posted 11/05/2013 at 08:20:02
What chance has any new manager or player got when 'Everton fans' talk such crap about 2 such great servants to the club?

Neville has been a great pro and example to our youngsters and always given 100%.

He and Moyes may not have been all we'd wished for in the way of trophies - but can anyone seriously suggest they haven't been committed Evertonians?

I will genuinely applaud the 2 of them to say 'thanks for restoring our pride'- as all real Evertonians will.

The rest of you can get back inside your 1980's bubble and keep thinking Mourinho and Messi are about to rock up at the Old Lady.

Mat Fearon
206 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:02:10
Jim, I am with you on this one. He has been a great manager, not brilliant, and he had his faults, but to get us regularly finishing 5-7th with no cash to spend is an amazing achievement. Which of course is why man united have gone for him, (and this idea that he has only got the job due to being Ferguson's mate is just complete nonsense).

And how exactly was he dishonest? This part I just don't get. After the January fiasco, he clearly decided that he was not sure he wanted to stay on once his current contract was finished. This was a clear signal to BK to look for alternatives. At some point, and we don't know when, Man Utd came calling. Either earlier in the season or post the confirmation of the title. Probably the former, but we don't know when, but after Moyes had decided not to sign. And finally, if it happened earlier, there is no way that BK did not know, and again, he was given the opportunity to start the search.

Oh, and let's say we offer to double Laudrup's salary and comes to us, when he is in contract, yes in contract, and after saying he is not interested. Does this make him dishonest? In which case according to views on here, we should not go for him. The problem at the moment is that those that don't rate Moyes, and I get some of the reasons why, can't get past the hatred they have for him. It's quite bizarre.

Kevin Hudson
207 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:11:21
Tim Jones...

Moyes is "a self-serving mercenary Jock."

Name one another mercenary who's stayed in the same job for eleven years.

Moyes indicated he only found out about the interest this week, why should we not believe him? If Man.Utd had planned the swoop for months, what's wrong with that, they only moved in for him this past week.

If he was aware they were going to come in for him, or even half-suspected they would, what is so wrong with him hedging his bets? I'm assuming that if YOU were potentially in line for the biggest job in your industry, you would remain steadfast in your loyalty..?

When players' contracts are running down, they can talk to other clubs. It's the industry. In any case, the manner of his departure shouldn't concern you, as you've wanted him gone for years.

The problem is...your perpetual take on him has been fundamentally discredited, so you've manufactured another faux-outrage.

Quick question: Will you label our next boss an 'indecent, dishonourable liar,' if he walks away from a contract with another club...?

(Think carefully before you answer that one).

Mat Fearon
208 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:37:12
Spot on Kevin. But please don't expect a logical and well thought through response.
Graham Mockford
210 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:28:55
Tim

Nice easy one for you, no need for upper case or alliteration. Which of the potential candidates for the Everton job would you be happy with?

Paul Thompson
211 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:33:30
Yet another thread taken over by Moyes rants. The theme was originally Phil Neville. Did anyone who spewed abuse at him actually read what he said, or does it not matter?

'I don't want any fuss, I've not deserved the fuss, I've just been a player. Better players than me have left this club and have achieved more than me at this club.

"You never think it is going to get to this stage where you get to a point where you are leaving a club you have loved playing for, have captained and have a real special space in your heart'.

The man has more dignity and good sense in his little toe than some of the [insert appropriate term] on this site.

Not a great player (as he himself alludes to), but a great servant to this club and he has earned some applause to see him on his way.

Mike Gwyer
213 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:55:56

It probably works like this:

Everton football club is in Liverpool, always has been always will be. The bulk of the attendees for Sundays match will be scousers, who like a laugh and respond well to people who work hard. When good teams come to Goodison, play well and win, the majority of Evertonians cheer them off. Well fucking done lads.

If these same scousers want to cheer off a man who has worked hard bringing stability back to Everton football then that is their right and something which they believe is the right thing to do. If you want no part then stay at home, don't fucking bother going because believe me, you won't be missed.


Steven Telford
214 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:09:21
Mike, did you read the numbers in Jim #778
There’s some serious facts for you, review the numbers, and look at his achievements relative to his net spend. And all the people who are crying that he was over paid, well do the maths there.

And of all the "flavour of the week replacements" that anti Moyes people are touting as his replacement, I could list a bunch of FACTS that place them as being inferior to Moyes.
For example, FACT, Martinez has similar spending power to Moyes and is a consistent relegation dog fighter.

The are so few managers out there chat could have stabilised our club like Moyes did...... look at the teams above us aned below us, FACT there all MUCH,MUCH richer.

FACT there is only so far ANYBODY can take a football club with no serious money.

Brent Stephens
215 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:27:10
Well said, Mike.
Brent Stephens
216 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:28:13
TimPeter #099. (Hi, your "stalker"!).

Same old, same old. Why don't you ever put your neck on the block like others and actually say what you do stand for. In this case, who do you want as next manager? Answer?

Brent Stephens
217 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:31:30
Poor TimPeter still can't handle the fact that his great hate has got top job at one of the greatest clubs in the world. You'll have to admit it sometime, TimPeter. You can be in denial for only so long.
James Martin
218 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:25:28
Boss captain, boss person, and in his day a decent player. He hasn't been at the required level for the second half of this season but let's not forget the role he played in the good form over the first half of the season (although even top 4 form wasn't enough for some of the dreamers on here)

He would never have had so many games if we'd had anough money to pad out the squad or had been injury free. As it is most weeks we nearly always had a hole somewhere in defense or midfield and he usually filled it well. At one time even Spurs were after Neville, perhaps it was after he shut down the now player of the year. As ever some fans have extrapolated his current form over his entire career as though he played ever game the way he did against Wigan. Obviously Spurs must have been deluded, just as Man U are for going after Moyes. Redknapp and Ferguson must know nothing on how to rate a player or manager.

I wish some fans would show Neville even a scrap of the respect he has shown us through his career. I really can't believe some people go as far as to bemoan the wage he's been on, as if Everton have never paid anyone more than fans think their talent deserves ever. Its alright for Fellaini to be earning 70+k despite always mouthing off about Chelsea, or butting people on the pitch, yet the club captain is apparently robbing us just for picking up an average footballers wage for a top ten team. Sickening. Even in this interview he's deflecting attention away from himself onto Moyes. Thats says all you need to know about him.

The main culprits are the board for not giving Moyes the money to replace players when they needed it and perhaps players like Cahill and Neville would not have had the ordeal of having to play on past their prime and be the brunt of some fans ridiculous ire. After spending a good part of his career with us and captaining us, the best that some people can come up with is 'do one'? Sickening how the so called media machines that have apparently hoodwinked all of football apart from us Everton fans has infact only resulted in initiating a malicious win at all costs culture that has seeped into some fans completely stripping them of any notions of decency.

Carl Sanderson
219 Posted 11/05/2013 at 12:59:13
Mike Green 032:

The only FACT that matters now is that the biggest club in world football are about to employ David Moyes on the recommendation of the most successful manager in British football.

Shit manager, that Moyes, eh?

Donncha Lynch
220 Posted 11/05/2013 at 13:59:14
For the comment made by Liam Reilly

2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th
2012-13 6th

And before....
2000-01 16th
1999-00 13th
1998-99 14th
1997-98 17th
1996-97 15th
1995-96 6th
1994-95 15th & FA Cup -
1993-92 17th
1992-93 13th
1991-92 12th

Wake up, mate!

Carl Sanderson
221 Posted 11/05/2013 at 16:23:37
Interesting article here...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/11/david-Moyes-everton-manchester-united

Paul Kelly
222 Posted 11/05/2013 at 18:36:16
Sorry James wasn't my 'do one' comment up to par, maybe 'fuck off' would of been more appropriate.

Either way thats how I feel. I ain't 'celebrating Moyes' achievements', I prefer to celebrate winning achievements like cup final wins.

I'm sure you'll be celebrating when Fellaini goes. You don't like him, we get it.

Dennis Stevens
223 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:17:33
Carl Sanderson #247 - Surely, the '... only FACT that matters now ...' is that Everton are in need of a new manager.
Paul Kelly
224 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:23:29
Awaits the J M backlash. . . . .
Ross Edwards
225 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:26:34
Stuff Moyes, get Martinez in for tommorrow's match.

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