Farhad Moshiri and Bill Kenwright are to conduct site visits to both Bramley-Moore Dock and Stonebridge Cross tomorrow as Everton continue to plot a move away from Goodison Park.
The most viable areas for a new stadium for the club were narrowed down to those two brownfield locations earlier this year, ones which offer two very different options.
Situated in Croxteth on the west side of the M57 from Knowsley, the site of Everton's last serious attempt to relocate in 2007 before the Destination Kirkby scheme was called in by the Government, Stonebridge Cross would offer more of an out-of-town experience akin to many of the newer developments of the past 20 years.
By contrast, the area in Liverpool's north docks would keep the club closer to the city centre and provide the opportunity to build something special on one of the world's most famous waterfronts. Naturally, it is the option most favoured by supporters and Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson alike but it would require significantly more preparation work than the alternative on the East Lancs Road.
That Moshiri, Everton's major shareholder, is reported by The Guardian to be visiting the two sites now would seem to quash rumours that spread last month suggesting a deal for a 26.5 acre parcel of land at Bramley-Moore Dock had already been concluded with Peel Holdings, the current landowner of a number of derelict dock sites for which they have plans for a £5bn development.
Fuelling the speculation is the fact that Dan Meis, founder of Meis Architechts who are consulting with the club over the proposed stadium's design, is in Liverpool this week. As reported by the Liverpool Echo, Dan posted a photograph of the city's skyline to his Instagram account today.
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1 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:06:24
We would also attract weekend tourists from the city centre with all the new public transport links and the Bootle area would benefit greatly from all that money coming into the area. Come on, Moshiri you know it makes sense!
2 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:11:53
3 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:13:48
4 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:19:25
5 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:23:49
6 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:25:15
Sorry, Patrick's reply just in ahead of mine.
7 Posted 13/10/2016 at 16:49:41
I'm just a bit concerned that Bill is involved as he has two disasters in his portfolio already. We can only speculate on what might have been had the Kings Dock come off.
8 Posted 13/10/2016 at 17:02:33
Ask West Ham supporters what they think of their new match day "experience". I can't believe such a thing is even being considered. If we have to move, then it should only be on the basis that we move nearer to the City centre, not further away.
9 Posted 13/10/2016 at 17:07:48
10 Posted 13/10/2016 at 17:12:36
The fear is that Peel could well price themselves out of the deal, so hopefully common sense prevails and a common ground can be found.
11 Posted 13/10/2016 at 17:14:42
12 Posted 13/10/2016 at 17:31:17
13 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:04:41
Every little helps.
14 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:11:36
15 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:16:23
16 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:17:24
Only joking about robbing the car, by the way.
17 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:20:07
18 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:22:37
It can't just be a simple kick in the nuts, we agreed – ie: 'tut, that was disappointing, lost 1-0.' It has to be 'we could win this... we look like we're going to win... WE'RE GOING TO WIN!... hoof! We fucking lost.'
For me, the way we're kicked in the bollocks goes like this.
Our plums are first hand-washed by native girls on a Polynesian Island.
Then they're gently towelled dry, using only the softest fluffiest towels.
Then they're cooled by gentle coastal breezes.
Then, knackers exposed, we feel wonderful and begin to drift off to sleep while waves gently lap onto the beach.
And it's at that point that a 7-foot Island warrior starts pulling on his hobnails.
Seconds later 'HOOOFF!! and you feel like spewing.
I mention this re any new ground.
What I mean is coz it's Everton (and fat-head) it couldn't just be 'it's going to be Crocky'. There had to be the possibility of the dock to get us all worked up.
"We could get the dock... looks like it'll be the dock... WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DOCK!!... hoof! It's fucking Crocky.'
Though still hoping for the best, I shall be protecting my ball-bag as best I can, knowing that history says a(nother) massive kick in the bollocks is almost certainly on it's way, for Evertonians with any ambition.
19 Posted 13/10/2016 at 18:25:59
One of these options would mean that we surrender any sense of presence in the city and hand everything over to that other lot ... at the time that Liverpool is developing as a major tourist destination. It would be accepting once and for all that we are the "other" team in Liverpool.
Over to you, Bill. Me? I can only fear the worst.
21 Posted 13/10/2016 at 19:53:36
It just has to be the docks... I don't want a Eugene scenario.
22 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:08:49
It will be all down to doing a deal with Peel, which I think they will want. Especially with the possible revenues from football spectators. Also, who is to say that concerts may not be held at our new ground in the future, all bringing prosperity to the area.
23 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:14:07
24 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:36:13
With that blaring out every home match the fans message might just sink in and we may finally get our wish and move on up to the waterfront and a new stadium by the Royal Blue Mersey.
25 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:41:08
26 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:48:16
27 Posted 13/10/2016 at 20:58:49
28 Posted 13/10/2016 at 21:00:19
We've had a good run.
29 Posted 13/10/2016 at 21:50:07
30 Posted 13/10/2016 at 22:21:19
31 Posted 13/10/2016 at 22:54:55
32 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:02:53
33 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:23:32
No way I'll renew a season ticket for the East Lancs Road.
34 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:24:17
Surely they would want to conduct their business discreetly and away from the local and national press who will be attending hoping to catch our esteemed Chairman give a nod of royal approval (dockside location), or a dismissive shake of the head (Crocky Cross), accompanied by his paymaster.
The realist in me suspect's that the Croxteth venue is still on the agenda, otherwise why bother visiting the location?
Clearly the latter option comes with less baggage than the docks, and a vastly superior road access system, with the A580, M62, M57 and M58 all within a stones throw of the planned ground build.
I really hope Moshiri sees the bigger picture, and what's at stake here for the long term future of the club. But back to the PR exercise taking place this Friday, I have to say the visit's really should have taken place incognito, and then announce a decision on the facts, economically or otherwise, on why that decision was taken.
God help us if we opt for Croxteth, it would really dampen the optimistic mood around the club for the last few month's since the arrival of Moshiri, Koeman et al.
Make it happen, Farhad!!
36 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:30:48
Given the recent negative statements Liverpool's chief executive, Ian Ayre, has made about the development of Anfield Road ("not a smart investment"), I feel we should all be relieved that staying at Goodison Park is now a non-starter. It is highly likely that we would have faced exactly the same problems.
37 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:36:24
Stonebridge Cross would be worse than Kirkby which at least had a railway station and a town centre in close proximity. The fact that Bramley-Moore Dock is in the public domain means that anything other than a dockside location will now come as a huge disappointment to the vast majority of fans.
We can only hope Moshiri and the Board take a view that the long term benefits of a prestigious waterfront site will justify the additional upfront investment.
38 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:41:12
On non-match days it will be a ghost town. Think the Riverside, Middlesbrough's stadium. Better to be close to a community, think Croxteth is not perfect but the best option.
39 Posted 13/10/2016 at 23:42:27
40 Posted 13/10/2016 at 00:02:56
And so it goes with today's get-out-of-Goodison 20-year saga, and counting.
I just hope my unborn great great grandson, whatever planet he's living on, gets one chance at least to see a full match in the flesh by way of an unobstructed view, the feeling of not having been financially raped by just attending, and without the need to get rid of his kecks before returning home for fear that some mongrel would shag his piss-stained leg the moment he got out of his time machine.
Is that too much to hope for?
41 Posted 14/10/2016 at 03:19:28
Realistically, it's the team and winning that is the priority... What's the point of having a fancy house if you can't furnish it?
Tradition starts somewhere. So think of Croxtheth as a new beginning.
42 Posted 14/10/2016 at 05:30:02
43 Posted 14/10/2016 at 06:45:23
Thanks for the link. It's a long time since I have watched Thomas etc. Bit different these days. However, you may have stumbled upon an Everton anthem to rival You'll Never Walk Alone...
I can already hear 30,000 fans singing the docks song
44 Posted 14/10/2016 at 07:58:47
I suspect that Moshiri and his cohort are on Merseyside over the next couple of days with the Manchester City game scheduled for tomorrow. Let's dare to dream.
45 Posted 14/10/2016 at 08:29:22
John (#38), I think if Everton go down on the docks, it will kick-start massive regeneration in this part of the city, which will in-turn help turn Liverpool into a true world class city.
Read the Manchester Evening News talking about Stones on one of the main headlines on the Everton page. It's an article full of shite, which will only fan the flames of most Evertonians, but I read another piece because I was on their site. Trafford Waters, waiting on £1Billion, worth of investment.
Manchester, great city, I actually class it as the second city in England, personally, but they haven't got our waterfront, or the compactness of our ever expanding city centre.
I think Anderson, and the powers that be, want to host the Commonwealth Games, and I think they will want it on a waterfront stadium, to showcase our city. Only Liverpool could really push and overtake Manchester, because of our location, and the regeneration of all this land could be the key.
46 Posted 14/10/2016 at 09:12:01
If we can't get the docks then stay at Goodison. It can be redeveloped in stages and we'll end up with a great stadium. Goodison is a much better location than Stonebridge Cross.
47 Posted 14/10/2016 at 09:14:21
48 Posted 14/10/2016 at 09:19:03
My two penn'orth? Docks/waterfront every time.
49 Posted 14/10/2016 at 09:55:55
50 Posted 14/10/2016 at 13:26:06
Football can and will be played on any day of the week now. These acts who require such a big site book the venue years in advance. There have just been new changes of fixture days released by our chief paymasters, 5 in 1 month!!!
There aren't that many stadium concerts, why haven't Everton done it recently?
51 Posted 14/10/2016 at 15:29:39
52 Posted 14/10/2016 at 16:18:10
Here's Sister Rosetta to explain...