Second string hogtied and bullwhipped in Bournemouth bloodbath

Loads of kids on the bench, Garner, Davies and Doucoure in midfield… not sure if those travelling will be happy with that?

We'll probably put out a stronger team than this when we play Western Sydney Wanderers in a couple of weeks.

Here we go!!!

I'm happy enough to be honest, chance for all of them to stake a claim for the match on Saturday.

Hopefully the players coming in will play well, especially the the youngsters, and give Frank an option to play them in the Premier League particularly if there is a goal scorer amongst them.

Can't say we have a squad that's exciting so anything new is something to cling on to... Let's ls face it, we are well practiced.

The only way we will win this is on penalties 0-0 because we can't score for toffee...

Other than that, no banana.

Think it was when we played Norwich about 5/6 years ago?

Frank must have a very short memory playing Keane, Holgate and Mina together.

Mills to open his account for us tonight. Hope all our travelling fans get something to shout about tonight. COYB.

Good to see two upfront, pity Maupay didn't get a chance to partner Dominic before his injury.

Thats what it says on my IPTV. if it helps anyone.

https://reddit5.soccerstreams.net/

Always plenty of links each week for every game. The Media Streams one seems to be working nicely right now.

I've notified Lyndon.

Questionable commentary on Radio 5 Live – seems to be courtesy of BBC Radio Bournemouth! I think they mentioned Everton once.

Did you know his " Old man Was A Dustman " ?

Particularly keen to see how Garner, Davies and Doucoure do. We're lacking in midfield at the moment - if one or two of them can step up then we at least have some options. Personally, I've not written Tom off yet.

Likewise Vinagre. If he's got some quality on the ball then he's viable for the first team. Everyone likes Myko, but having such a limited footballer at full back affects our threat hugely.

And we've probably got a relegation battle to at least some extent. I'd rather we took it seriously now than sleepwalk into trouble and need a miracle.

Would rather have 3 points on Saturday

- pass aimlessly round the back until harried
- then boot forward to the 5ft 3 target man.
- try not to concede too many.
- end.

Lampard, get the fook out this club. Worse than Rafa. Worse than the arrogant ginger dutch lad. Worse than Allardyce.

Well, yes I can. We've seen it so often for most of the season. It's absolute garbage.

Is he even as good as Zinedine Kilbane? Nowhere near in my opinion.

Davies skates back into the side looking like a failed 1960s hippy.

Honestly what a pathetic team we have here and anyone expecting much different on Saturday is in for a rude awakening.

I can see us being down by early May this season unless some kind of unearthly shift in mentality and basic quality arrives.

Davies and Doucouré – shocking.

In training, are they told "As soon as you receive the ball, turn round and see if you can pass it back"?

Pass to Mina v Man Utd.
Penalty v QPR.
Chance tonight.

There is a player in there somewhere. He is one of us… etc.

Awful half of football from us.

Career achievements:

Holgate got 5 managers sacked and 2 DOFs

Keane & Davies got 4 managers sacked and 2 DOFs

Fucking liars.

“He'll get pillared if he plays Mills, Gordon, Price and Cannon… he should play a back 3 of Mina Holgate and Keane to be safe."

No other words.

What hope do we have?

Wait until you're 2 down to ditch the defensive cowardly line up that has never ever worked.

What a club.

Attack and defend as a unit. But players are not up to it technically on the night, so far.

Frank looks out his depth but no manager will turn this sorry club round.

Awful recruitment and accepting being in the Premier League is enough for the Bill decades.

I can see Frank getting sacked if we lose on Saturday.

So yeah, let's get knocked out straight away and save the bother.

How have Holgate, Keane and Davies amassed HUNDREDS of appearances each? Why are they still here after getting multiple managers sacked?

Why in God's name did Frank fall for the same stupid mistake as his predecessors and give them another shot along with Mina, who's a joke, and Begovic?

Mina let the cross come in and Keane left his player in yards of space.

Frank needs a result on Saturday. He's had close to a season now. We're worse off at the same stage than we were under Benitez.

Our position is pretty fucking bleak.

The last 30 years has been awful, bar 1 Martinez season and 18 months of Joe Royle. Cheers Bill!

This club is heading only in one direction and that's down, last season was merely a dress rehearsal.

I feel for the travelling fans.

He is just making his teams a laughing stock with his selections and tactics. Other clubs will not put up with this... why why why Everton?

And the lesson is that Davies, Holgate, Doucoure, and Keane have absolutely no future at this club. Sadly, in the case of Davies anyway, they all have to go,

Bye, Frank. I really wished it could have worked out but I've totally lost faith in you now.

If something doesn't change we will be relegated within the next couple of seasons. Something's broken at the club.

This team are a joke and derserve relegation.

Spot on mate, they don't deserve those brilliant away fans.

Too much money for success or failure has ruined it for me.

If we'd have lost 4-1 with a gang of kids playing, we'd have said "Yes, fair play." But playing players who have got 4 managers the sack is absolutely folly.

Davies, Doucoure, Mina, Keane, Holgate. Add Gordon and Maupay into the mix and it's no wonder we've been hammered.

Hammered by Bournemouth's reserves, by the way. Thank god the World Cup is around the corner because I can't stand watching these failures.

Talk all you want about Bramley-Moore Dock, blah blah blah, but the first game will be at home to Barnsley in the Championship.

Last season was merely a dress rehearsal for this season's imminent relegation.

3 points at the weekend essential. Not sure I see it happening though.

Get home safe to all the traveling Blues.

Can't understand why Garner was hooked by the way.

Michael started that thread about what "supporting" Everton means. I cannot after about 7 years bring myself to have anything even resembling hope much less faith when I see the old failures trotted out onto the pitch.

Can we carry on watching this crap for another 30 years? Same posts, same dire performances. Ritual humiliation for the fans, week-in & week-out.

At least in the Championship, we may find our true level of football ability.

I want to hear no platitudes or flannel from anyone at the club. They should all shut the fuck up.

Lampard's team selections, tactics, subs and formation are grinding my gears.

What input does Paul Clement give? is he Franks mentor ?. Fucking clueless. Bournemouth made nine changes tonight. I'm worried big time.

Twats have it too easy, fuckin nice little winter trip to Australia coming up where we'll get dildoed off by Celtic anyway.

Embarrassing club.

Sitting here watching Newcastle get a takeover, a club that look doomed 12 months ago and they've left us in their fuckin smoke.

A Premier Inn? I'd just toss them out of the bus and let them sleep rough for a few nights. See if Tom's fancy dress costumer gets dirty, or if Keane is man enough to wrestle a tramp for a ciggie butt to keep warm.

What a shit show. I hope the club reimburses all those traveling fans. Holgate, Mina and Keane at the back is just embarrassing. So obvious why we were in so much trouble last year.

We'll be a different proposition this weekend, with Picks in goal, Coady, Tarky & Myko back, Onana and Iwobi in the middle, but the eternal question remains: Where will the goals come from?? We absolutely need to win on Saturday.

I don't want to see Lampard go. I'd like us to give him time. But the players need to fight, fight, fight with all their might this weekend.

Take a break and come back when the right job becomes available. Don't ruin your reputation by staying at Everton any longer. The people running the club are poisonous. Walk away with dignity and grace.

Painful to watch, absolutely shameful, but with Kenwright still in charge of negotiations, then perhaps the January transfer window might finally bring a change in our fortunes.

Did I say Kenwright? I’m not blaming him for tonight, that was on the manager, and his absolutely dreadful team selection, but what the fucking hell have Everton been allowed to become?

Our travelling support deserve better as do all Evertonians, it's just an unacceptable, embarrassing joke.

What else can you say apart from, ''Sort this mess out and make amends on Saturday!'' No excuses.

Add in Doucoure and play 3-foot Maupay up top and it's got 'humiliation' written all over it.

I've been trying my best to give Lampard a chance but he's fucking clueless – how the fuck does Tom Davies stay on the pitch till the end?

Can't create an opening and never look like scoring, relegation is a cert this season.

Everton 1 v 5 Atlanta
Everton 2 v 5 Arsenal (Koeman sacked)
West Ham 3 v 1 Everton (Allardyce sacked)
Liverpool 5 v 2 Everton (Silva sacked)
Man City 5 v 0 Everton (Ancelotti quit)
Bournemouth 4 v 1 Everton

Keane and Davies were in the team for every single one.

Frank has not worked out his system and has likely run out of time. This is absolutely not a case of Everton spoiling Frank's reputation.

People need to calm down, we will be fine with Frank.

I understand if some players have knocks. For me, tonight should definitely seal the fate of Davies, Mina, Keane, and Doucoure. No fight, no drive, no passion.

It was either that or planned surrender thinly disguised as an attempt to compete.

Ignoring, belittling and not committing to "smaller" cups is for so-called bigger teams. If we won't attempt to compete in competitions like this, then what are we really here for - to win nothing?

Or are we really so scared and unsure of our ability to even survive in the league with the extra "pressure" of a few cup games? What kind of an attitude is that to have???

Picking that team gave the clear message that the game was unimportant, and the players took heed, giving an utterly shameful display.

I'm as pissed off as anyone but let's not press the panic button just yet. It was only 2 weeks ago we were crowing about our great performance against Palace.

Stick with the team and the manager.

And where exactly has that shite come from? That fabulous source of information, Twitter. Do me a favour.

He comes back and that really is me gone for good. Then again, knowing that louse Kenwright, I wouldn't put it past him. Music Hall joke.

The people at the top are indeed poisonous. They have no shame and they certainly have no sense of honour.

These are truly dark days for the club, as dark as I can remember.

The only reason he looked good last term was because all around him were dire. We should have snatched Chelsea's hand off and used the money to build.

Lampard can take credit for Iwobi's improvement and the signings of Coady and Tarkowski. But the jury is very much out as far as his tactical awareness and decision-making is concerned. Tonight's abysmal showing being very much an example of his shortcomings.

Can we really afford another season of imminent relegation, while Frank learns his trade on the job? I think not.

We need a proactive Gaffer for once, not another boring, safe re-active manager. Why rest players tonight?

Most of our shower of shite will have a fucking whole month off soon enough... time to rip it up and start again.

Another night of shame in a competition we as a club have shown nothing but fucking contempt for... Why?

Keane and Mina, the same old slow passes to each other hoping one makes a positive move, is depressing, they'll never get it. I like Tom Davies but he hid while that was going on, and Doucoure was the worst player on the pitch.

Gordon should have gone, and threw in another wasteful perfomance, it doesn't get much worse than that to watch.

I'm afraid that's the end of Doucoure, Keane, Mina at least, I can't see them getting another chance.

Even if we win on Saturday comprehensively, there will still be a sour taste of the kind of perfomance this side can thow in. It's never far away.

Patterson and Garner were the only two who turned up. I'd have liked to have seen Mills start.

If you uprooted Klopp, his management team and all their players, they would finish mid-table and then struggle. Because that is what is demanded (or not) from the club hierarchy. It's cultural.

The club is stuffed full of dead wood, and no-one really cares about anything other than staying in the Premier League.

Just look at all the hangers-on like Sharp who are taking the coin. Do they ever criticise? Of course they don't. Do they know? Of course they do... but it's a selfish enterprise.

And ultimately this is self-defeating in any business. Unless you have a top management team and a solid strategy and staff that pull in the same direction, you're fucked.

The NHS is a great example of an enterprise that is totally defunct and no matter how much money you threw at it, it would fall over. Why? Poor management, which drives a lack of motivation through the entire system. People don't know what they're doing.

Everton is the same. We've been told for years we were bankrupt, we had no money, Goodison will fail its safety certificate, we can't afford players, it's a knife to a gunfight.

Fuck off. At best, that's defeatist; at worst, it's brainwashing to cover your incompetence.

There is no accountability of the management team that run Everton Football Club. In all fairness, I'm surprised they have lasted this long in the Premier League. It's run more like an amateurish League One side, who are just there for the footy on a Saturday.

Lose and it's shrug your shoulders stuff and move on. That's Everton. That's not the Champions League sides – and we used to compete with Spurs – nor the ambitious teams that pervade the Premier League and want to get better.

I agree that it's daft to blame Kenwright for tonight. I also agree that, aside from the two centre-backs, most of our new players are average.

But what was Lampard supposed to do with no real cash? It's only the £20M for McNeil that really bugs me.

I assume many of the more extreme reactions on here are just post-match frustration. Sacking Lampard would be crazy. I'm gutted and embarrassed tonight, and some of his decisions drive me nuts, but he's as good as we can hope for right now.

Our only hope of silverware is the domestic trophies yet he's done exactly what all the other smart arses do and sent out the stiffs with the inevitable result.

If he thinks "getting us" means abject surrender to a pub team before a ball is kicked, he's fucked in the head.

Completely snookered himself here with shithouse team selection and put himself in BIG trouble.

What a tit.

I was at Fulham last week but Bournemouth on a Tuesday night in the League Cup is a different level.

Formation: hopefully 3/5 at the back is dead and buried. Invites trouble and playing on the back foot. First 30 minutes we had chance after chance and lacked composure and clinical decision-making to score against their young lads. Let's hope they start their first team Saturday, Jeez!!

I still love Frank.

Frank inherited a massively inadequate squad with close to no sell-on value. To sign anyone at all, our owner/chairman had to sell the only player we had that a Top 6 side might fancy.

So bog-standard for 30 years has our club been allowed to become there's no hope of a player with Top 6 quality or ambition ever signing for us.

We're skint, with a training ground still full of pig's ears that no manager can make even an un-holed purse from, never mind a silk one.

Wins fall away from teams with holes, as we've known for 30 years... but still, let's berate the manager alone, eh?

Weird!

Play your strongest side... ALWAYS!!

Just leave, Frank, for fuck's sake.

Of course they will make a fortune, but they have also given the Liverpool fans some genuinely great times, whilst Kenwright, who was only interested in selling Everton on his terms, actually believes he's given Evertonians some good times.

Once again, I'm not blaming Kenwright for tonight's debacle, that was 100% on our manager, but through the clamour to sack another manager, Everton have just continued to go backwards, sacking manager after manager, since they got rid of the mediocre Moyes, who inexplicably kept his job for over 11 seasons, and helped keep a very, very poor Chairman, in his privileged seat.

Tonight was scandalous, but there have been many, many nights like this, for a club that has both forgotten and also been allowed to stop trying to win.

Jeezus wept…

If you can't see it's been a deliberate downgrading of Everton Football Club's standing in the game for 20+ years to suit that man's ego and cover for his total incompetence that has actually led to that sort of display, there is no fucking hope whatsoever.

Everton Football Club needs and deserves new ownership and new,
professional management that understands the global sports entertainment business. And the fans need to get behind that or we're in League One doing a Sunderland.

I feel for the fans who made the first of two longest journeys in the Premier League Calendar, again in great vocal support pre-kick-off, totally wasted on a shower of overpaid wankers.

Again I say, Patterson and Garner excepted, but why take Garner off?

Soaked outside the ground waiting to get in. And due to a parculiar set-up, it took ages to get in. I'm not exaggerating here, but they were risking a crush as the fans congregated. Shouts of "Open the Gates" could be heard and the Police started massing to try to control the situation. Pretty poor to be honest.

I'll reflect more tomorrow as I'm travelling home. Miserable performance. The only highlight I take was Patterson being the only positive player on the pitch in the first half. A young player not very long at the club yet you could see his frustration when he looked up and saw nothing in front of him, but made a good few probing runs.

It was telling that the fans were not their usual selves.

At the end, Demarai Gray singlely faced the music, eventually followed by someone else. I didn't take much notice.

Disappointed is an understatement.

Got soaked again on the way to the station but had a decent chat with some Bournemouth fans who aren't really Bournemouth fans. One was Chelsea and one Liverpool. They were intrigued on my thoughts on Lampard.

Licking my wounds. Back on Saturday.

Safe travels to those travelling through the night after enduring that.

Can you imagine the uproar had he played his first 11 against that Bournemouth C team with that result?

And it would have been that result!

The rest? Shakes head ruefully and moves on.

When we've been solid in the league, I've been keen on putting our strongest side out in the cups. Now we're threatened with relegation, I'm happy to see changes on a night like tonight.

We accept this shit. If – and it's a big 'if' – we get anything out of Saturday, we will think we have turned a corner and will be happy out til our next game in December.

We will go down this season. Our club is a joke.

Ironically a Tom Davies penalty last season v QPR and his miss in the first half today was unforgivable. To think this talentless person has played so many games for a Premier League club – and yup, it's us.

I don't want to see him, Keane, Mina in an Everton shirt again. And I so wanted Gordon to be sold in the summer. The squad is awful, and probably the worst since Kendall Mk III.

We have turned from a competitive club to an embarrassing relic living in the past since Mr William Kenwright first joined the board all those years ago, and he's still here stinking the place out now.

Made the tweaks further upfield, rested Gordon for Mills, tried Cannon out alongside Maupay, and started with Garner, which he did and Iwobi.

To bring in players like Keane, Holgate, Davies and Mina was asking for trouble; these players have time and again let us down big time, Mina more on the injury front.

Could the others on the bench have done any worse, 9 minutes for Mills and Cannon to rescue a 3-1 deficit, absolute joke, and Frank needs to take the full flak for his set-up.

I'm just glad none of my sons or little godson went tonight. Getting home around 3:30 am, after having to endure watching a team of absolute cowards.

Coady and Tarkowski are decent but slow, that means we have to sit deep; he brought in 4 defensive midfielders with no pace when we have no creativity and can't score goals.

He bought Maupay who can't score goals and looks more like a converted midfielder than a striker. Iwobi has improved but is still average at best, put him up for sale and see the interest.

We've got barely any assets, they're all liabilities and unfortunately this London management team are clearly temporary and the biggest liability of them all.

We could have had Eddie Howe, a boyhood Evertonian btw, but we need a proper manager.

I can't believe the animosity towards Martinez who actually gave us the best year as an Evertonian in 30 years. He's managed the best international team in Europe, he's matured and wants to come back and give it another go. I'd be happy to see him back.

It is obvious Keane, Mina, Holgate, Doucoure and Davies have not been applying themselves in training.
They were all so much off being match fit.

The same tactics applied, even worse implementation in this game. Frank is now really under pressure.

Those pointing the finger at a few rusty fringe players are simply demonstrating they do not grasp the gravity of the situation.

None of these fringe players were on the pitch for the previous four shit shows. Perhaps one of these experts can explain that?

Perhaps they can tell us all about the well-oiled winning machine these fringe players have come in and derailed.

Where did you get that from, Mike?

Anyone who thinks we are not in the mix for the relegation battle need to wake up.

We just got beat by a team who also made loads of changes and now have the confidence they can do us again on Saturday.

Lampard has increased the pressure on himself with the team he picked tonight, got it wrong big time.

Paul Clement. Everton first team coach and mentor to Frank Lampard.

Coached / managed.
Derby County : Sacked.
Swansea City : Sacked.
Reading. : Sacked.
Cercle Brugge : Sacked.

Bad decision by Frank when Anthony Barry declined to come to Everton.

I agree playing the defence, despite some bells on the Live Forum saying that we should get rid of Mykolenko!

I would like to see Vinagre play in front of Mykolenko, he's much quicker than I thought and can cross a ball. He'd also offer more defensive cover.

This was against Bournemouth reserves not away at Tottenham or Newcastle. Tom and Keane aren’t rusty they always been crap and always will

What could go wrong?

There are very few experts on football, but my partner was watching, and she commented on how sloppy and slow Everton’s players looked, and she knows absolutely nothing about football.

But until we can produce more purposeful attacking play, I think we have got to become more nasty, more spikey and much more competitive.

The soft centre looks like it’s slowly returning, and for a team that doesn’t score many, this will become catastrophic if it isn’t rectified very soon.

People who keep saying B.K only sold the club to line his own pocket so well did J.Woods, Robert Earl and all the others who sold their shares to Moshiri, who since he took over we have gone through 7 managers, so who is pulling the strings here. We stuck with D.Moyes for 11 seasons and only for Ferguson retiring would have been longer.A Chairman cant fire the manager without the owners permission.

I think Lampard is skating on very thin ice but his problem is made worse by players that are slow, cant read the game and only try and score at practice at finch farm.

We are relegation candidates that have just inspired our next opponents, and due to FFP rules are strapped for cash in the next transfer window.
So waiting for the next transfer window to open it is going to be difficult to raise transfer finances by trying to sell some of whom we have just watched, and trying to bring in Quality Players to a relegation struggling team.

Yes Lampard has strengthened our defense but I had a problem with the team in that we were not playing to our strength, and if experimenting with new formations don't weaken your strength. I did comment before the game that the team looked like a good bench team as a joke, some joke

We missed the boat with Martinez we needed Moshiri a year earlier to provide the funds to properly rebuild but it's typical Everton that we had the right manager at the wrong time and it's been a disaster ever since.

Plus never go back

Agree Will (134). This cup is the easiest Route to get into the Europeans competitions and we're not interested!? What kind of bollocks is that?

Holdgate, Davies, Keane, Doucoure and Minas performance didn't surprise me.

The set up and formation was ok. The drive and desire disappeared due to the school boy errors made by the usual suspects.

To me it boiled down to individual mistakes and a lucky 1st goal. You just can't win football matches when the same players make the same mistakes at either end of the pitch.

If I had to pick holdgate and Keane I would tell them their 2nd touch has to be a punt upfield. Get the ball away from them as quickly and as far away as possible.

The 5 above have no future at the club but who is going to buy them?

Garner and Vinagre did ok. Garner reminds me of Kevin Richardson to look at but also in his willingness to get on the ball.

Big game Saturday but the same puzzle for Lampard, how are we going to score a goal.

However, him saying he needs to protect his best eleven doesn't wash with me - we had two matches to play before the break - play your best eleven!
If we manage to win on Saturday, he's going to look fucking stupid.

Putting so many players who had not played with any sort of regularity in at the same time was asking for trouble.
It wasn't as embarrassing as losing to RS kids with a full team, but it was right up there.

Tony.

Agreed, but I think it would be fair to say that about just about all of our squad (with 1-2 exceptions).
We brought in players who have been relegated I don't think any of the fringe players have managed that.
I have to laugh when I see people come on 3-4-5 times to singling one player out. The idea of terminating Tom Davies contract is the most hilarious I have heard.
What makes me smile is the fact that the next manager will also play him. Just like the previous seven did. That's because they will not be governed by hatred.

Tom Davies should not be part of Everton team if we are to go places. The fact that he has been, is and will be, is the problem. Some don't understand that, so they hate on the guy himself.
Watching people convince themselves that he is the sum of all our problems and getting themselves all bent out of shape, is one of the few amusements get these days as an Evertonian

Holgate & Keane: did we expect them turning up as Yobo-Lescott 2.0 all of a sudden?

Doucoure: see Mina above

TD: 5 years since his debut and only one thing is certain: he is Tom Cleverley 2.0 but without the re-sale value of Cleverley (we did get £8MM for him from Watford).

It is just a Cup Game that we are not expected to win since the draw came out, and it reinforced the fact that the guys above aren't good enough to fill the gaps if we need to move up the table. If any or all of them can be moved on so that their salaries can be re-invested on better players, the sooner the better. January is not far away, so rejoice!

For those who want Frank out: Chill out!

Frank played the players that by luck kept us up last season. Most of the squad will have over a month off come Saturday night! I don't get why with a stable defence be replaced with that. It was pitiful tonight. Individual errors yet again but simply that team tonight is not good enough. Desire and hunger to win not there.

More respect if Frank had said some of those players have played their last match for this club. Same old, same old with Everton. The basics of passing, closing down is not there. I see more desire from my local non league club. Looking forward to the break. This club is hard work to support but you can't walk away.

Night all!!

This is another manager thinking he's at a top club where he can rest players for cup games. Cup games are the only chance Everton will ever have of getting into Europe, so he sends out a second string and, worse than that, we got beat by a Bournemouth team who made nine changes!

3 goals we gifted them through players' mistakes – isn't the manager's role to train those mistakes out of players? Because if so he is doing a lousy job.

Gordon needs a stint back in the Under-21s until he gets his head right, ever since his new contract talks have been put on hold, he has looked half-arsed.

I'm sorry for all you Frank lovers but his record at Everton stinks and people can say 'but', but we just got smashed by a team who just came up from the Championship and rested 9 players. He can give all the excuses in the world, he is paid to make sure this doesn't happen.

If this was Rafa or some previous managers, we would be calling for his head but, because he was a top player for club and country, we make excuses for him. He sets the training routines and picks the players to take the field and represent Everton FC. I'm sorry for all the Frank lovers – as a player, great; but as a manager, he is shite.

My impression of Frank is that he's someone who does what he has to do. This season he has to stay up in the league and rebuild.

Tonight he avoided any further injuries to starters for the weekend and he gave fringe players a chance to make a case for themselves. Some did, most didn't.

Sadly, it's not about competing for cups now. It's about competing for things later. That game should tell you that we do not have the squad for a cup run. We don't even have the first 11 for a cup run.

There's a nice long period now to clear out some names. There aren't many I'd say were completely off the market.

We can't just keep chopping and changing. That's the reason why we have these players in the squad. They're short term options who end up parked here.

As much as I hate the phrase, the rebuild needs to be seen as a project. Do enough to stay up, bring in players at the right age to still appreciate in value, get rid of deadwood. That's not a few months - that's three years of work.

If we don't have a plan we'll never achieve anything. We might hang on for a while but eventually we'll drop.

I hold Lampard culpable not for his selection but for his tactics. The players who started tonight ought to have been capable of winning the game. One of the main reasons they didn’t was the manager’s insistence on a playing style of passing it around at the back. It maximises risk, invites trouble, undermines confidence and encourages the opposition of whatever standard to exert pressure. It is Frank who is responsible for this. His stubbornness in this respect very much reminds me of Roberto Martinez’s dogmatic approach 2014/15/16.

Frank quite simply needs to stop being stubborn. Benitez would have been slaughtered for a display such as last night’s. Frank is being given more license at present but not for much longer if the mutterings among away fans during and after last nights debacle are a reliable guide.

I am not for changing the manager at this point. Far from it. But as we have seen repeatedly over recent years once a slide begins it is very difficult to halt.

Yet with all the backing,Lampard is on simular results as Raffa, who had to endure pure toxic, because of his connections across the park, towards the end he had to go, but I bet Raffa wish he had even a 10th of the backing Frank has had.

We can blame Frank, Raffa, Sam, even Kenwright, but a lot of those players are still at our club,they have seen out countless Managers, yet every new Manager that comes in seems hypnotised in giving Keane, Holgate Davies and the likes a run out.

You look at who has been consistent this season, Mykolenko, Coady, Tarkowski, Iwobi, most of the part Pickford, yet not one of those players started tonight.

With a break coming up, stick with those players who have been performing, and make the changes where we have been struggling, not rocket science.

I will have to try and watch a re-run of that because at the moment me head is cabbaged. There's plenty of players out there tonight, or rather last night, who really don't deserve to play for the club ever again.

I said early yesterday morning would Frank consider the fans when picking his side? Obviously not, but I doubt anyone expected eleven changes.

I could kind of understand it if we had gone to somewhere like Leicester, and got knocked out, at least the journey back wouldn't be so bad, but fucking Bournemouth!!

We need a serious pick-me-up this weekend, with a victory, nothing else.

Later Gray, Mills and Cannon, but too late to change anything, but it almost beggared belief that he subbed James Garner, was there something in the Rockford Files ? I can only reiterate my disappointment for those magnificent travelling Blue Army, who made it sound like it was Goodison again, until their cheers were extinguished by the ineptitude of those they had come to support.

The squad overall is simply not good enough, and there is a reason players don’t get picked regularly. But, the tactics and formations are being changed too often by Frank. The players are not talented or intelligent enough to implement.

Stick to a gameplan and formation - 4-2-3-1? - and drill them in it. This season is a percentage game where we will aim for mid-table and build on that, so the manager needs to stop being too clever and simplify.

A blind man could see that Mina, Keane and Holgate are Disasters waiting to happen based on previous form at the back and to change all 11 players who havent had a game together all season was naive at best and criminal at worst..

I said after 10 minutes does anyone know what our formation or tactics are.

Why couldnt he just rest DCL, Gana and Onana.

Whose decision was it to bring in Gana, Onana, McNeill and Maupay who look like they couldnt score 10 a season between them.

OMG we used to complain about Delofeu, Barkley, Siggy but the current crop are 10 times worse in front of goal.

Our free kicks, spot kicks and corners look like amateur hour.

Much as I love you as a person Frank you are rapidly losing my support as the right manager for EFC.

The score was bad, but most importantly, the performance was awful.

It's easy to analyse. Dreadful. Poor tactics and an insistence on playing the ball sideways across the back. Continuously. Consistently. Endlessly. Seemingly all the time. And when we did occasionally go direct, we were trying to hit a player not exactly know for his aerial prowess being marked by 2 giant centre backs.

I could go into individual players, but there's no point as I'd be here all day. As I said previously, young Patterson was the only one trying with his galloping forward runs in the first half. Iwobi was trying to create when he came on but it was hardly like he had much in front of him to play to or aim for. You could see the frustration in both.

A lot of that team would have been or were first team starters last season. Someone made a good point above. They haven't played much or together and it showed. The manager has to take that one for me. Tactics and team selection. We were disjointed and clueless.

Even though it's meaningless and they would have faced a barrage, it hurt that only 2 of them bothered to even come over at the end.

When Saturday comes, they had better have had an earful, looked in the mirror and enjoyed their rest in that Bournemouth hotel.

Still tired. Still miserable. But warm and dry.

Much sympathy again for our superb away support but let’s hope you are rewarded in the next game.

We have to stick with Lampard.

You could analyze it forever, but I'm sure that same back three were all playing in this exact formation during Silva's final games before he got the sack.

Add Ben Godfrey to those three players, change the formation, and play the most awful pug-ugly football that many of us have ever witnessed – and those same players had us near the top of the league for a spell under Ancelotti.

Maybe Duncan Ferguson was correct; maybe Everton getting rid of Allardyce was a genuinely bad move (so was appointing him, I know), especially if it's true that he had identified a poison within the corridors of Finch Farm?

If a poison genuinely existed, it was probably caused by nepotism, and if a genuinely great football manager had to play such awful football to get us results, no wonder he couldn't wait to leave our once-great club.

I know he went to Real Madrid, but look at what Everton have spent, and how they've had to operate since he left. I absolutely rue the day Everton appointed Ronald Koeman, but not as much as the day that Bill Kenwright sold our club, but was allowed to remain as our chairman.

Mr Impending danger (sorry, Jim B) posted yesterday asking how Newcastle United have turned it around so quickly, whilst Everton just continue to go around in circles? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, just like Everton have been, for 27 very long fucking years, most of which have been spent under the curse of a 'saviour'.

Newcastle have spent well but, as well as that, they didn't have a shit full of arrogant players on massive contracts who know they wouldn't get a fraction of their wages if they moved. Most will be finishing their contracts next summer

I'm a self-confessed fool with an opinion. I guess most are.

There are a couple of wise people on here, but most of us just offer opinion. I would definitely not call mine expertise, so rule me out of that category.

Unfortunately, any would-be transfers out, took a serious hit last night. Some hopefully will still move on, but we will get next to nothing for them, other than getting them off the wage bill.

Iwobi will be missing for most of January in the African Nation Championships along with Gana, who is also in the Senegal World Cup squad.

As many have commented on this thread and others, the hirers and firers remain constant, seemingly bulletproof.

You could sack another manager (which I do not advocate, we have to stick by Frank) but the constants will still be there.

Kenwright is going nowhere at least until the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is unveiled, so that he can gather all the media together to say ‘Look what I've achieved'.

Another mediocre season, I'm afraid. However, that's the price for being a lifelong Evertonian. 😂😢🤞

I wanted Tom to succeed and I hate to say "told you so" but I stand by what I said. I know Tom isn't the only one and I'm not pinning last night's performance on him but it is emblematic that such a mediocre player is still around our squad and playing under his 6th manager (or something like that – I've lost count). If he were a boyhood red and was in the RS team, given the performances he has given down the years, would Klopp still have him in their squad?

I would have cashed in on Gordon, even if the rumoured valuations were nowhere near true, he is way too wasteful and is one of those players who believes his own hype before he's actually achieved anything.

Mina is a liability. As is Holgate.

Yet again, we sold our best player and replaced him with inferior options.

For people saying we're in for a mediocre season, I'd gladly take 4th from bottom right now.

Was Frank resting our first 11? If yes, why? They have one more game then about 6 weeks off.

A team that is crying out for a win to boost confidence, a team that needs a cup run to boost confidence does not make 11 changes.

You definitely do not make 11 changes if your first 11 were not nailed-on to beat the opposition and ours are definitely not nailed-on to beat anyone I am afraid.

C'mon, Frank, you really need to step up. Set the team up to have a go at teams, play with intensity and controlled aggression and get the fans behind the team from the start.

His last season was dreadful and there were some truly awful performances towards the end. We were dreadful at defending set-pieces. We were slaughtered in the Anfield derby. We were humbled by Champions Leicester City.

He was insistent on playing around at the back and sideways passes. He signed the likes of Cleverley, McGeady, Niasse which weren't the same as Deulofeu, Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry.

I got fed up with "phenomenal" and "incredible" being banded about. I like him as a person but it would be toxic if he returned.

Anybody can tell the standard of the replacements is crap and has been for 4 or 5 years when playing first-team football.

Another cup slung away. I don't go with the "We wouldn't have won it anyway" attitude – 'lesser' clubs have won cups over the years.

Why was me dad (and grandad) an Evertonian? Near 30 years of football misery. Those fans last night should be compensated, the least the club could do for them.

All goals came from mistakes, Keane for the first, the second a Holgate slip & Keane reaction, that pull back which leaves the striker free in the box seems to catch Keane out every time. All goals, which screamed of last season, were very similar to the Watford 5-2 at home; every attack they looked like they would score while littered with mistakes and poor positioning.

I felt sorry for Maupay, he was in the right positions mostly, just people weren't playing him through or passing it to his feet early; instead, it was late and overhit.

I like Frank, and I think he will do well hopefully. He has already got rid of so many that needed to go, no doubt the rest will go soon. You can see what he's trying to do in the main but he won't have many more performances like that left or he'll be gone.

Obviously it was and Gordon's tackle was appalling, I saw that on Sky Sports News, that young man is bitter and frustrated and angry. He needs a manager, an objective friend.

Lampard is losing it. If he doesn't win on Saturday, he is rightly in danger of joining our long list of former managers. I just hope that on Saturday he tries to win the game, rather than just trying not to lose it.

Whoever is up front – Maupay, Calvert-Lewin, whoever – they need service that suits their game. I'm fed up banging on that Calvert-Lewin never gets a decent cross because our wingers are constantly on the "wrong" side.

They need to change sides frequently, their main job is not to support poor defensive backs, but to add to the attacking potential of the team. Maupay needs a proper Number 10, someone who can give him the ball to his feet and support him so he isn't isolated.

Lampard is like Moyes at his worst, not his early years, terrified of losing a point, setting up with basically a seven-man defensive unit.

We are in the relegation mix with a vengeance and we need a manager to instil some confidence and belief in a very fragile and very average squad.

I never even switched it on after watching the Leicester performance. How was it supposed to improve within a few days, especially with the shite side that Frank put out last night?

Utter garbage these past few weeks with all the signs pointing to another battle to stay out of the Bottom 3. Two centre-backs have done well but the rest of the signings this season have really not shown anything consistently.

Banking on the return of a centre-forward who was out for a very long spell was akin to those who believe that Father Xmas will be coming in December. Let's hope he does and offers a place on his sleigh for Keane, Mina, Holgate, Davies, Doucoure, Godfrey as these guys all live in winter wonderland.

Absolute farce when mighty Bournemouth kick our arse with almost their second string. Frank possibly the next Premier League manager to be shown the door with his Sunday League tactics and team orders.

Managers who are continually in the Bottom 3 or 4 don't usually get too long to sort things out. He needs to move us up the table; otherwise, the Everton managerial merry-go-round will be switched on again.

After a slow start, Wolfsburg are flying – unbeaten in 7, winning 4. They don't concede, play high-press football, and pass it really well.

That's the manager we should have gotten.

Frank made too many changes but the players let him down. Even allowing for Frank's plan and system (?), too many of them just going through the motions. Silly mistakes, lazy or lack of tackling, and only Patterson and Garner really showing any intention of trying to win the game.

So what happens next? The defence will be tightened and stronger on Saturday, the midfield will depend on who is fit; more important is how Frank has them lining up. He's knackered when it comes to strikers, so who is going to provide them?

Will Frank change his plan and system, stop them being wide open in every game with wide-open spaces right through the midfield and relying on an ultra-defensive style of play and hoping we can convert the one or two chances that come our way in every game.

You inherited a poor squad but picked your own coaches – are they helping you? Because you don't seem to be helping yourself by playing the same system throughout every game, even though it isn't working... even changing the subs but staying with the same plan.

Something has to change, Frank. A win on Saturday will earn you time and getting to January may get you some forwards in, which will help.

Unfortunately, it will be a very hard job getting rid of those unhelpful players you used last night. That's not your fault – you were stuck with them like three or four managers – erm... like we were stuck with your chairman.

Whatever our shortcomings, their first two goals were extremely fortunate. Pity we never seem to get such opportunities.

Mind you, Tom Davies missed a sitter.

On to the next match – hope undimmed!

Mauricio Pochettino would be a fabulous long-term appointment, and we should do everything in our power to bring him in.

Everyone wanted Mina back, and they put in no effort whatsoever, against a Bournemouth reserve side. That's the reason he changed the defenders and midfield this summer on a shoestring budget and losing Richarlison as well.

So who threw who under the bus???

If we were in a relegation battle and still in a cup competition towards the business end of the season, I could understand, perhaps even agree with, fielding the second string. But we're not... we're not even at the halfway point yet.

Holgate, Mina and Keane showed yet again that they are surplus to requirements Doucouré is a spent force and Tom Davies would struggle to make Tranmere's midfield. Those failures made their own cases for joining Dele Alli and Rondon in being released or given away in the January window.

With their wages saved, Frank will be able to attract another goal scorer to play alongside Calvert-Lewin. We might have disgraced ourselves last night but let's use the loss to cast adrift some of the rubbish we've accumulated in the past several years.

Another relegation battle looms. There is no way that we are going to finish in the Top 15 – let alone the Top 10.

Frank's been here coming up on a year, brought in alternatives during the summer for most of the players you listed, and has rarely used most of the players you listed this season — but he still needed to play them together last night as a last opportunity to decide who he wants rid of?

Look at when we last played well to beat Palace 3-0 in the league – they came into that under pressure to perform after losing the last couple of games and not playing that well; this saw them up their game and win.

I know last night's side contained the second string, but that attitude seems to run through the entire club still. Look at how the league has gone since we beat Palace – the pressure was off to some extent after that win and the players took their foot off the gas in the last few league games afterwards.

It was the same last season – when they absolutely had to win against Palace to stave off relegation, they got themselves up for it and made sure they got the win. Yet in other games before, when there wasn't this absolute requirement to win or else, they put in half-hearted performances.

Until we can somehow get a group of players who will show intensity, desire and the will to get a win in all matches, we will not progress.

Oh and it goes without saying nothing will improve in general until we sign at least one proven, decent striker in January (and beyond!) for when Calvert-Lewin is out of form or injured.

Or maybe even someone decent to play with him up front for more firepower. I know we got Maupay but he has proven over a few years now that he will not get you bags of goals.

We have been struggling from midfield to the final third. With only one more game to go before the break, my logic would have been to stick with the goalkeeper and backline, stick with your best player going forward, that being Iwobi.

So that's Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski, Coady (if not cup-tied, I think he might have been), and Mykolenko, then the midfield of Iwobi and Garner, and for obvious reasons Maupay in attack. That's the players that should have been in from the start, the players you knew would stand up and perform.

The rest he could have tweaked to try and get a winning formula, made slight changes out wide and midfield.

Last night was a great opportunity to try and see if we could get a better performance going forward; we only needed to make a few changes. But to play a complete different starting 11 is sheer madness.

If it's not broken, stick with it; where it is broken, then try something different there. Just a few tweaks, leave the backline alone, leave Garner and Iwobi in midfield. That's all Frank needed to do last night, but he got too clever and deserves every ounce of blame that comes his way.

Not one single thought for the fans that made the journey. It was bad enough for those of us not able to make the trip, I can only feel for the likes of you and every single Evertonian that made that awful midweek journey, to be treated with so much lack of respect.

He has had over a year to work with these players and assess them.

Why did he bring Coady and Tarkowski in if he thought that highly of Keane, Mina and Holgate – who between them were responsible for 3 of last night's goals conceded???

Why change all 11 starting positions with only 2 days to go before an important cup game?

I like Frank and I really hope it works out for him but he cannot continue to show this naivety at this level.

So to get stuffed by their reserves in front of that travelling support, is a worrying sign that we are by no means on an upward curve away from the dreaded zone.

Still, that is to a large extent our shadow side; the true verdict comes at the weekend. Win or draw is a decent result.

"Not one single thought for the fans that made the journey. It was bad enough for those of us not able to make the trip, I can only feel for the likes of you and every single Evertonian that made that awful midweek journey, to be treated with so much lack of respect."

Did I mishear or was there something about the club paying for tickets or transport (or both)?
I hope that's not in effect buying off the travelling Blue Army, as if to say, "Don't worry, we're giving them a free-hit tonight and it won't cost you a bean?"

It was awful.

But we'll be back there on Saturday. If they cared as much as we do, they would understand.

I've seen some thumpings over my increasingly many years, but that one hurt more than most because of the lack of desire throughout the team and the bench.

Right. The amusing thing is a few posters saying they struggled because they are not used to playing together. These players have been here for half a decade. They are not strangers. They are just crap. But worse than crap is the complete lack of effort. Niasse and Straq were crap but they made an effort. Tom, Mason, Keane and co. respond to everything with a shoulder shrug or a sheepish look around to see if anyone noticed what they did or didn't do. It was the same in the pre-season game v Minnesota with largely the same group. But then people were like "oh well its pre season, they're not as fit as them etc etc" As Rob Halligan said some of these should never play for the club again.

Frank sees them far more than we do so why make them the backbone of our defense last night, surely Coady and Tarkowski didnt both need resting especially with 3 CBs which Coady relishes.

Not only that but what were our tactics last night. There was confusion all over the pitch with only GArner showing any discipline.

Last night reminded me of the days when players don't show up and youre short of 11 so you ask people around the pitch can they play and have they got boots.

We really were that amateur in my eyes.

Players aside can you honestly tell me what the tactics were last night.

We need some inspiration right through the club and I honestly thought Frank was that man but even with the quality of our best players we very rarely venture over the halfway line except on breakaways when we have one or two players forward.

Our only hope appears to be corners or penalties.

How often do we see our team on the front foot.

We must have the record for pass completion across and backwards from our CBs and GK which invites pressure and does not inspire confidence.

I think there's a few different discussions crossing paths here. I 100% agree Frank should not have picked those players last night as they are proven to be crap. But I don't buy the excuse on behalf of the players put forth by David Cashen and others that they were "rusty" or not used to playing together. That absolves these players who've been team mates for half a decade of any responsibility and specifically overlooks their attitudes. Christy is correct in thinking that even while being crap that they should be less crap than Bournemouth's crap reserves. But of course they never miss an opportunity to lower the bar given the chance. Were we to have a rematch with that Austrian pub team we beat 22-0 I'd wager that Keane, Davies and co. would contrive some way to lose that game also. I'm hoping Frank has learnt his lesson finally and if necessity dictates changes he will in future give kids a chance on the basis they may be crap or may be good but at least there's that glimmer of hope that it may be the latter.

As I said I really like Frank and hope it works out but for me last night is totally on him and he has to show he can inspire whoever he puts out and not destroy them after the game by blaming them. He will certainly lose the dressing room if he keeps blaming the players. The supporters can do that but the manager should never do that.

Not a bad gesture, but no excuse that like you say gave the club a free hit to play a totally different 11 players.

If you ask any fan who attended that they would have to pay for their ticket, but Everton would field their near starting 11, they would have gladly paid for the ticket, instead they were served up a pile of dross by playing players who have time and again let the team and fans down.

I bet those in the stadium felt like crying when they saw that starting 11, I did and I was sat at home, in front of the tv.

A big opportunity to get some confidence back, a chance for another cup tie, all thrown away by putting 11 different players on the pitch, at the same time, ten if you want to include Patterson.

11 players expecting to gel in just one game, no words cannot express that logic in thinking.

You go expecting to see some entertainment, but instead you get the roly polys, well the ticket was free so enjoy the roly polys (apologies if it goes over some of our overseas fan base, not knowing who the roly polys are.

I've seen enough of the Keane and Holgate partnership to write several horror stories, so I knew what was coming. I was ready. However, Frank is a professional, this is his job and he assumes that the players are professionals as well. Well, he don't anymore… and he rightly said so in his post-match chat.

The problem we have on Saturday will be up top and I'm praying that Frank has a God moment and comes up with a solution. If I did have his ear, I would tell him that Maupay is probably not the answer... but I don't.

For me, Frank is the way forward, I know it's not great at the moment, but he will be picking the team for Saturday and I have every faith that it will be a solid starting 11... COYB

Any money left, use it to bring Brereton Diaz in.

That should fix our attacking options, with Gallagher running the show in midfield.

Gordon's light is not shining as bright anymore... actually I'm not sure he even had a light but, if he did, it's well gone.

So... no way on God's earth will we get Broja and Gallagher for Gordon... Chelsea will laugh in our faces and say "£20M tops!"

Chelsea never made an official bid of £60M for Gordon, and there's no way they would have included or valued both Gallagher and Broja for less than £35M each; Lampard would definitely have taken them if that was the case.

I'd rank him alongside Thomas Gravesen as Everton “greats”. We'd signed “leaders” and “men”. Our midfield was going to boss games. Gordon was going to bed down and show his worth. Yet again I started dreaming of us playing some good stuff.

Yet again, there's a clamour to sack the manager and start again by November. The only positive of being an Evertonian at the moment is the new stadium build and an ever-diminishing illustrious past. Really not sure how much more I can take.

It used to be fun. Now it's just a continuous cycle of hope turning to frustration turning to panic. At least some of us remember the glory days. My 11-year-old has experienced one win over Liverpool in his lifetime and an amazing comeback and that's pretty much it. Depressing.

I know we can't expect the youngsters to solve all our problems, and some may not be quite ready yet – but surely players such as those above are worth a go? For a manager who has a reputation for giving youth its chance, Lampard has not lived up to this for me as yet.

The one positive I can take from Tuesday is that Frank will have learned a lot about the 11 that took to the pitch.

He made his mind up about Gomes and a few others at the end of last season. I recon Tuesday will have helped him make a decision about the likes of Keane, Holgate, Mina, Doucoure and a few others. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are told that, if they want to get games, they need to find a new club, starting in January.