Sloppy start costs rusty Blues in Baltimore

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Everton 0 - 2 Arsenal

Everton got a really useful run-out at M&T Bank Stadium against Arsenal despite going down to a 2-0 defeat thanks to first-half goals by Gabriel Jesus and Bakayo Saka.

The Blues were punished for loose defending in the first half, first from a corner and then when the Gunners were allowed to drive straight through them but Frank Lampard's entirely-changed side were markedly better after the break even though they didn't manage to dent the scoreline.

Arsenal had much the better of the early going, with Everton looking cagey and sloppy on the ball. A Horrible ball inside by Holgate was gifted to Jesus but Pickford made an excellent save to turn the Brazilian's shot behind.

The ball then came back off the post from the resulting corner as Granit Xhaka tried to guide it home.

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At the other end, a great ball over the top by Davies was controlled brilliantly by Nkounkou but his shot was parried by Turner and it was knocked behind for a corner that Mina headed wide from Gray's delivery just before the drinks break midway through the first half.

A lively contest that even featured a bout of handbags between Doucouré and Gabriel continued in a more open vein with the Blues playing more on the counter-attack after breaking up Arsenal's own forays forward.

The Gunners took the lead, though, when Pickford flapped at a deep corner that Jesus killed dead with his first touch and then rifled it into the roof of the net.

It was 2-0 not long afterwards when Jesus dinked the ball between two Everton centre-halves, Martinelli got the merest of touches and Saka arrived at the back post amid more than a hint of offside to rattle it in.

Godfrey cleaned Jesus out on the edge of the "D" and picked up a yellow card on the stroke of half-time but Odegaard floated the free-kick well over the bar.

Crellin, Tarkowski, Welch, Keane, Warrington, Gbamin, Mills, Mykolenko, Gordon, Iwobi and Rondon all came on at the start of the second half as Lampard made wholesale changes.

And Rondon almost made an immediate impact when Arsenal coughed up the ball in midfield and the Venezuelan tried to lob Turner from 40 yards out but the keeper managed to arch his body and bat it down.

Gordon won a corner after a lung-busting run down the left channel but the short-corner routine came to nothing before Iwobi lashed a 25-yarder well off target following an excellent sliding tackle from Mills.

Maitland-Niles had Arsenal's first "sighter" at goal but missed the target from distance in the 57th minute and Crellin had to race out of his box to clear the ball away from Pepe but in between Everton were much better, pinging it around nicely, albeit without creating much of note in the final third.

Arsenal had been fairly pedestrian in the second period but they came back into the game as it entered the final quarter of an hour when Gbamin was booked for chopping Nketiah down but the free-kick came to nothing.

A late Gordon free-kick was fired into the wall, Crellin saved from Pepe and Warrington scooped an ambitious effort well over.

Tarkowski was harshly booked for a strong tackle before the final whistle which exemplified the testy flashpoints that peppered the contest.

Everton: Pickford (46' Crellin), Patterson (46' Mykolenko), Mina (46' Keane), Holgate (46' Welch), Godfrey [Y:45'] (46' Tarkowski [Y:90+2']), Nkounkou (46' Mills), Davies (46' Gbamin [Y:79']), Doucouré (46' Warrington), Dele Alli (46' Iwobi), Gray (46' Gordon), Calvert-Lewin (46' Rondon)

Subs All Used:

Arsenal: Turner, Cedric, Saliba, Gabriel, Tavares, Partey, Xhaka, Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli, Jesus

Subs: Okonkwo, Bellerin, Mari, Walters, Holding, Maintland-Niles, Elneny, Lokonga, Torreira, Pepe, Nelson, Balogun, Nketiah

Attendance: 39,245


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Simon Dalzell
1 Posted 13/07/2022 at
Hard to get excited. Basically the same bunch of below-average players minus arguably our best. The key obviously is what happens regarding new recruits while this largely pile of crap jollies in the USA.
Brian Wilkinson
2 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Good chance to test some of the youngsters out.

I would like to see Niels Nkounkou given a run out, on the left side of midfield instead of left back, reckon he could link up well with Gordon.

Hoping to see a bit more of Stanley Mills as well.

James Flynn
3 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Simon — "Hard to get excited."

Don't watch.

Neil Copeland
4 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Pleased to report that there are plenty of blue shirts out and about in DC and Baltimore. The bartender at an Irish bar in the harbour reckons it will be a near full house and plenty of local interest. Not many Arsenal shirts on show yet.

Looking forward to seeing the stadium and seeing what some of the younger players have to offer. Also intrigued as to how the team will line up. I don’t think too much can be read into games like this other than players fitness, will still be interesting though and looking forward to it.

Oh, and very impressed with DC and Baltimore which have been great so far. The people are very friendly and fascinated with the accent (which is mild these days so not sure what they would make of proper full on scouse twang).

Kieran Kinsella
5 Posted 16/07/2022 at

I've never been to Baltimore but had a great time in DC with family from England a few years. Pedestrian friendly, clean, lots of things to do. Anyway, enjoy the game and I'll see you on Wednesday in Minneapolis.

Neil Copeland
6 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Kieran, DC is a great city I agree. Baltimore different but with a lovely harbour and really nice people (people were good in DC too) and another great city. We are going to the zoo tomorrow before the game.

Looking forward to meeting up in Minneapolis and yes, see you on Wednesday.

Jim Bennings
7 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Let's twat these feckers!!!

Oops sorry it hasn't started yet, the season... got a bit carried away there, lol.

Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Neil, glad you're having such a wonderful time. Wish I could have met up with you and Kieran in Minnesota, but maybe next time.

Watching Ozzie's little studio interviews online, the players look exhausted, which is great. Frank is obviously focusing on conditioning. Doesn't seem like he has them rolling on the ground and puking like Conte at Spurs, but he is certainly grinding them.

Dave Williams
9 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Well, I'm getting excited!

Can Calvert-Lewin and Godfrey regain their form and fitness from the 20-21 season?
Can our new defender shore things up at the back?
Can Patterson give us a young attacking right-back?
Can Frank revitalise Dele Alli?
Can Iwobi continue his form?
Can Gbamin be our defensive midfield answer?
Can Simms and/or Dobbin score goals at this level?
Can Gordon add end product to his game?
Can Welch or Price force their way through?

Lots of questions, reasons to be optimistic, and it could all fall apart but isn't that what football is all about?

Let's go!!!

John Keating
10 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Due to work - which I don’t need or want, plus I’m too old! Can’t think of a preseaon I’ve looked forward too and missed!
Main thing is to get out there and show ourselves to our wonderful US based supporters.
Secondly give everyone some time on the pitch. Training sessions are great but actual game time is completely different
To all out there, have a great time, regardless of the result, meet the players, make new friends and fingers crossed you enjoy yourselves after the game
Kristian Boyce
11 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Driving up from North Carolina for the game, about an hour out from Baltimore. From all accounts from who attended last night's get-together, there was a great number of Blues out in force.
Bill Gall
12 Posted 16/07/2022 at
A lot of Can's there, Dave, just glad all my Can's have beer in them.
Paul Kossoff
13 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Any live streams?
John Hall
15 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Can they do the 'can can', Dave?
Tony Hill
16 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I feel absolutely the same Dave @9. Nkounkou might be interesting too.

It may not be at all a bad thing to build from within. It'll be tough I think and it will take a fair while but let's create an identity and be a serious team which tries to entertain. It can be done.

Let's keep what's left of our soul and see what can be redeemed.

James Flynn
17 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I would like to see Simms out there. Hope he gets the chance.

DC Toffees! Great bunch. I'm sure they'll be in Baltimore for the game.

If any ever find themselves vacationing in DC during the footy season, drop into Across the Pond, a DC restaurant/pub where the DC Toffees gather to cheer on the Boys.

No longer meet at Fado in DC, which unfortunately had to shutter in 2020 due to Covid. Went there several times over the years to watch the game.

Christy Ring
19 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Would love to see Gbamin finally start his Everton career. After playing 12 games on loan, and a full pre-season, it's now or never.

He definitely has the physical attributes for a defensive midfielder, and it would fill a huge void in the team. It's the one position we're totally lacking.

Brian Murray
20 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Christy, I think / hope we maybe quick to dismiss Gbamin and, unless Thelwell stops acting like the previous two, we may have to see what he's got anyway. He's got the physique for a start.

As it stands now, for Warrington and Dobbin, it is sink or swim this season, so forget about loaning them out.

James Flynn
22 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Toffees in Baltimore:


Christopher Nicholls
23 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I'm totally with you, Dave Williams! Lots to be excited about.

Let's Go!

Matthew Williams
24 Posted 16/07/2022 at
The Gooners embarrassed us back in May, it would be nice if we could get our revenge later on tonight.

Hoping for a good pre-season and a decent start to the new season before our tricky fixtures kick in during September and October.

Have fun, Blues... wish I was there!

James Flynn
25 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Here's a world-wide list of Everton supporters groups, wherever you may be or visit in the world.


Tony Everan
26 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Dave, I liked the cans ;

Can Mina stay fit?
Can Tarkowski stabilise our defence and make a difference defending set-pieces?
Can Holgate build on his good end-of-season form?
Can Richarlison's replacement bring his goals or assists?
Can our new midfielder(s) transform the team to Top 8 material?

Bernie Quinn
27 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Not bothered what the result may be – just glad the lads are now getting a game at last. Hope they show Frank they are up for it– even if he swops them around a bit.

As an aside, I do not like Rugby... I can't stand the All-Blacks but, with being half-Irish, I am thrilled that Ireland beat New Zealand tonight and have won the Series. Well done, the Greens – now let's see what the Blues can do!

Paul Jones
28 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Pre season friendlies are normally stuttering affairs where attempts to bed in new recruits outweigh any cohesion or results on the pitch.

Thanks to this season's recruitment, I expect nothing less than a 6-0 win tonight, some weird trophy for it🏆, five straight wins at the start of the season, and relegation all but confirmed by late April.

I know, I know. My glass is half empty and a crack in the bottom is leeching all contents away from it, but hey... it's not my train set so what can you do?

Jay Harris
29 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Solid back four of Tarkowski, Keane, Mykolenko and Patterson.
Iwobi, Doucouré, and Alli with Gray, Calvert-Lewin and Gordon up front.

Lewis Warrington to get some time as well as Godfrey, Holgate and Broadhead.

Ian Linn
30 Posted 16/07/2022 at
VIP League are streaming the game

Rob Hooton
31 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Dave Williams, thanks so much for the positivity boost from your post – I really needed that!

If we have different expectations and look for small but important incremental gains then there are things to look forward to. I was feeling quite pessimistic about the season but you have helped to change my mind (there's always something to hope for before the season kicks off!).

ps: Hope all the Blues over there have a fab time tonight.

David McMullen
32 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Up the Toffees!
Tom Bowers
33 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Lots of ifs and buts and maybes but realistically we cannot expect a tremendous improvement over last season – although we should expect some improvement – right?

Won't be much to take out of the pre-season games. Last season's pre-season was good and look what happened!

These games are obviously an opportunity for some fringe players to ''stake'' a claim. The main thing is that nobody gets any injury, serious or otherwise.

Simon Dalzell
34 Posted 16/07/2022 at
James Flynn.. I never miss a game. Too right I'm gonna watch. I am optimistic we'll get several good signings for the season ahead. Thanks for the advice though..
Tommy Carter
35 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Kieran @5,

Baltimore is an amazing blue-collar city. Many parallels with Liverpool.

For anybody visiting first time from the UK, have a drive around the dock lane areas. Their docks are on a scale that I have never seen before in my life and really blew me away.

I wish I was there. Some nice bars and eateries around the Fells Point area of the harbour.



Steavey Buckley
37 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Everton starting XI to face Arsenal: Pickford (c), Patterson, Nkounkou, Holgate, Mina, Godfrey, Doucoure, Davies, Dele, Calvert-Lewin.

Geoff Lambert
39 Posted 16/07/2022 at
5-4-0? are Calvert and Lewin two new signings?
Paul Hewitt
40 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Is there a live forum tonight?
Geoff Lambert
41 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Okay, it says Gray up top with Calvert-Lewin.
Geoff Lambert
42 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I'm live, Paul.
Jay Harris
43 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Michael, I can't see it on ESPN+ so it'll have to be EvertonTV for me.
Brian Wilkinson
44 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Glad Nkounkou has been given a run out. Get down that wing, lad, and get some crosses in.
Peter Creer
45 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I bought my Everton membership today and just clicked on the link…..not available in my country! Canada. Bought it every other year with no issues for preseason. Disappointing!

Anyone with a link?

Iakovos Iasonidis
46 Posted 16/07/2022 at

I hope it works when the time comes...

Darryl Ritchie
47 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I'm in Victoria, and it's on here.

Try again, Peter.

Steven Sturm
48 Posted 16/07/2022 at
I'm on the official site and do not see a link for the game.

Also, Live Forum not up. What the fuck???

Soren Moyer
49 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Also shown on Stadium channel website:

Only US station to broadcast the game.

Ciarán McGlone
50 Posted 16/07/2022 at
5-man back line, for Christ's sake. Our midfield is shit, have a bit of wit.
Alex Gray
51 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I'm an official member and the official live stream isn't working for me. Anyone else having this issue?
Bill Watson
52 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Anyone else having trouble getting the official stream?
Soren Moyer
53 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Bill, use the one I posted. Much better than the official stream.

3-5-2. Might work!

Mike Gaynes
54 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Cheers, Soren.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 17/07/2022 at
USA #1 keeper starting for Arsenal. Nice gesture.
Brendan McLaughlin
56 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Soren #53,


Soren Moyer
57 Posted 17/07/2022 at
My pleasure, Mike 👍.
Steven Sturm
58 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Thanks Soren. Official site not working as usual.
Alex Gray
59 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Ended up watching an American stream. Stadium full of Arsenal fans — I thought we had a solid USA following?
Soren Moyer
60 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I know, Steven. Never use it. As usual, it's crap!

Lol. The formation appears to be 8-2!!! And what happened to our US supporters? Looks like only a handful in there, lol.

Ciarán McGlone
61 Posted 17/07/2022 at
5 minutes in and I can confidently and categorically say that our tactics and formation are fucking lamentable shite.

Parking the bus in a pre-season friendly is a new low.

Kevin Molloy
62 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I'd forgotten how much I hate these pricks…
Soren Moyer
63 Posted 17/07/2022 at
If Lampard thinks he can get these misfits to perform better, he is deluded!
Mike Gaynes
64 Posted 17/07/2022 at
So you'll be repeating that every five minutes, Ciaran?
Alex Gray
65 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tactics so far have been "defend for dear life then hoof it up the pitch". We need a new midfield as currently we don't have one.
Derek Powell
66 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Hesgoal stream is good.
Michael Lynch
67 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The gulf between the two teams looks massive. Ah well, only a pre-season friendly etc.
Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I really didn't know that Patterson was such a big, strong kid.
Simon Dalzell
69 Posted 17/07/2022 at – great picture
Dave Williams
70 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Twenty minutes into our first friendly and the critics are at it again! Where did the Spirit of the Blues go?
Brett Jonathan
71 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Going to be a very long season watching this team trying to play out from the back if that is the new plan. Not stressful at all!
Soren Moyer
72 Posted 17/07/2022 at
For fuck's sake! Holgate at it again! Almost gifted a goal! Luckily Pickford saved us.
Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 17/07/2022 at
That's the Holgate we remember. Fortunately, that's also the Pickford we remember.
Kevin Molloy
74 Posted 17/07/2022 at
let's face it, it's gonna be a long fucking season. Pinned back so that we can barely breathe by mediocre flat-as-fuck Arsenal.
Michael Lynch
75 Posted 17/07/2022 at
This is like one of those friendlies between a top team and some part-timers. Arsenal look a long way ahead of us in terms of preparation for the new season.

I know that Lampard has said that we are mostly concentrating on fitness so far, but I'm surprised at how poor we look.

Alex Gray
76 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Come on, Dave, I get it's pre-season but we haven't passed it to our own player as of yet and Arsenal are dominating in first gear. It's understandable to be concerned.
Paul Hewitt
77 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I know it's our first game. But what the fuck are we doing?
Will Mabon
78 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Richarlison would've won that penalty.
Will Mabon
79 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Paul, who knows... players all over the place.
Mike Gaynes
80 Posted 17/07/2022 at
To this point, Nkounkou looks like a young Cuco Martina.
Tom Bowers
81 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Absolute shambles so far, 20 minutes gone
Iakovos Iasonidis
82 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I have to say the team looks lively for a first pre-season game, I don't see any rust or fatigue – just lack of quality, as usual. Calvert-Lewin looks good, I hope he stays healthy, big season for him!
Will Mabon
83 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Got one on target.
Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Well, okay, that was better.
Soren Moyer
85 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Nkounkou our best player so far! We urgently need at least 4-5 new players.
Tom Bowers
86 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We can win this game when Richarlison comes on.
Ray Jacques
87 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Relegation material. Good night.
Mike Gaynes
88 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We're still good at defending corners.
Will Mabon
89 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Well... can't leave him unmarked like that...
Ciarán McGlone
90 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Dele Alli is an absolute limp fraud.

I'm away to bed, I've had enough of Lampard's inability to learn from previous mistakes. A 5-man defence is for the fucking birds.

We are fucked.

Bill Watson
91 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Thanks, Soren.
Alex Gray
92 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Conceding from a set-piece. Jesus on his own at the back post.
Tom Bowers
93 Posted 17/07/2022 at
How many defenders did we have and we leave Jesus in acres of space. No organization at all.
Ray Jacques
94 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Oh and I am not pessimistic, just realistic. Plus full of Jack Daniels.

So disappointed in Everton for the last 25 years. Hate them but love them, if that makes sense!

Soren Moyer
95 Posted 17/07/2022 at
As usual we brought it upon ourselves! Awful throw from Pickford and Arsenal score from the resulting corner!

2 down as I was typing!!!!!!

Alex Gray
96 Posted 17/07/2022 at
2-0 now. Night all.
Will Mabon
97 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Two... fast asleep there.
Derek Knox
98 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We're playing this like a pre-season friendly!
Kevin Molloy
99 Posted 17/07/2022 at
With this 5-man defence, we finally have real balance… weak as piss on both flanks at the same time. The problem though is that, in placing our shit players on the flanks, there's no one in midfield.
John Kavanagh
100 Posted 17/07/2022 at
An excellent preview of what's in store for the coming season.
Simon Dalzell
101 Posted 17/07/2022 at
James Flynn (3). I wish I hadn't. It wasn't going to be fun with the same old dross, was it?
Bill Watson
102 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We just cannot play the ball out. The midfield isn't in the game...
Mike Connolly
104 Posted 17/07/2022 at
This could be mistaken as a game from last season. Nothing has changed.
John Raftery
105 Posted 17/07/2022 at
A poor squad with Richarlison survived in the Premier League last season by the skin of its teeth. Without him, logic suggests our results will be even worse in the coming season unless there are several quality additions.
Mike Corcoran
106 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Clueless so far….
Brett Jonathan
107 Posted 17/07/2022 at
How many more Premier League games does he need to play before Dele costs us money? Only a couple, right?
Kevin Molloy
108 Posted 17/07/2022 at
With finances being so tight at the moment, I'm starting to question whether our recent £56M spend on Dele and Patterson was entirely the right move?
Mike Corcoran
109 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I think Tom Davies is fancied for the defensive midfield role. Average so far but I think he has a long pass in him.
Brett Jonathan
110 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Dele hasn't cost us anything yet, Kevin. We pay £10 million only after he plays 20 league games. I don't think he has yet, but he must be pretty close to playing 20.
Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Good things in the first half: Patterson and Doucoure.

Bad things: Every-fucking-thing else.

Brett, Dele has played in 11 games so far.

Charles McCann
112 Posted 17/07/2022 at
What an absolute shambles we are so far. Same old shit but what do we expect playing this formation and with the dreadful Holgate and Godfrey in defence? Nkounkou looks out of his depth also. Hard to find any positives from that half.
Oliver Molloy
113 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Funny how we all see the game differently. For me, Nkounkou has just been awful, definitely went to sleep for their second and could have made a better effort for their first.

He can bomb forward alright, but he is and has been very poor defending every time I have seen him play.

Soren Moyer
114 Posted 17/07/2022 at

If anything it should be Spurs to pay us £10M for taking Alli off their book! He is god awful!!

We can forget about taking anything from our opening few games unless we sign some proper players! We'll be in the Bottom 3 by this dross come December!!

And Lampard should find some ways to get results with a half-decent squad if we were to splash some cash on new blood because this is exactly how we used to play last season!

Kevin Molloy
115 Posted 17/07/2022 at

Yes, we can not play him and then just pay his £100k plus contract for 2½ years. Either way, it's bonkers.

Mike Corcoran
116 Posted 17/07/2022 at
At least there’s Better Call Saul type ads on the interval.
Brett Jonathan
117 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Kevin, I think any decision to not play him will happen very quickly (I don't think he plays a part for us this season), and we will get rid rather than have him hang around for years on a £100k pw wage.

You know, Everton would never let anyone hang around on a wage without playing for years.

Jay Harris
118 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Please don't anyone say "It's just a pre-season game". We are absolute shite.

Only Doucouré and Pickford have played decently. Nkounkou and Godfrey might as well have stayed in bed, closely followed by Patterson, Holgate and Dele Alli.

Our passing and movement is atrocious and we look totally static and clueless. Wholesale changes for the second half, please.

Bob Hannigan
119 Posted 17/07/2022 at
A lot of work to be done. I couldn't find any coverage on ESPN+.

Watching what I assume is the Arsenal feed, quite biased, understandable if so.

Derek Knox
120 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Just like Pancake Tuesday all over again — too many 'tossers' in too many positions!
John Kavanagh
121 Posted 17/07/2022 at
If we can keep the score down to four and sneak a consolation goal, it would show progress on last season. Good times, eh, Bill?
Ian Riley
122 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Really? We actually expected to win today?

Reality is this team is a very good Championship side and Bottom 5 Premier League side.

No form, sold our best player! Simply, we will struggle more!

A heavy defeat will wake the Board up! Got lucky last season! We can't rely on 3 worse teams to keep us up!

Mike Gaynes
123 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Jay #118, I'd say Patterson has been excellent outside of the first 5 minutes. Physical and effective. I am thoroughly impressed with him.
Alex Gray
124 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I feel for Dele Alli a bit. Whenever he's on the ball, he uses it well. He's just never on the ball as it's hoofed to Dom or out of play.

It's glaringly obvious that Patterson and Nkounkou are not ready yet. Martinelli and Saka are running riot. Nkounkou looks good going forward but defending is poor and Patterson just isn't that involved.

Tony Twist
125 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Business as usual, brain dead players, poor coaching, all looks good in the training YouTube videos until their standard is compared with others – then, we are just clueless.

I have never known a football team that looks like they have never played football as a team before, like this team does. I think you could rope some supporters off the street and get them playing more like a team than these bunch of charlatans.

James Flynn
127 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Iokovos - Thank you. Link works great.
Sam Fitzsimmons
128 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Comments by Osman such as.... "In pre-season games, we can expect to be rusty"and "It's all about getting fitness levels up," really does my head in. How come Arsenal can pass the ball, can press, can do all the things elite athletes are supposed to be able to do???

Holgate truly is a legend in his own living room. The only Everton player that has shown any level of professionalism in that half was Doucouré.

Like every manager before him, Frank and his backroom staff have their work cut out with this bunch.

Derek Knox
129 Posted 17/07/2022 at
No bite, no fight… but plenty of another word that rhymes!
Mike Gaynes
130 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Wholesale changes at halftime. Good.
Mike Corcoran
131 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Great to see Warrington coming on
Kieran Kinsella
132 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I was hoping Gomes would start tonight so he could be rested on Wednesday when I'm going. Oh well… at least Davies and Holgate might be rotated out.
Mike Gaynes
133 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Gordon looks good in the #10 shirt with the blonde hair.
James Flynn
134 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Simon (101) - Don't take it to heart, Simon. Just playing.

Mike Gwyer
135 Posted 17/07/2022 at

This playing out from the back is like watching a tsunami of shit coming your way. The players look like they hate it and we seem to loose all shape trying to keep it going.

Managers seem to come and go but they all seem to want to persist with trying 3-5-2. Why? Does it give Lampard any joy watching our back line go all over the place trying to keep the ball but – as sure as fuck – lose it or, even worse, pass it straight to an opposing player???

Not sure how but our 2 central midfielders seem to be up against 5 Arsenal central midfielders… is that Arteta doing a nice bit of cheating or are we just all over the place trying to play it out from the back?

Mike Gaynes
136 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Who is this Mills kid? Somebody fill me in. MotM for me already.
Mike Corcoran
137 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Who invited the piss poor John Oliver impersonator to provide commentary?
Alex Gray
138 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Got to agree, Mike! Mills looks lively! Iwobi doing well too.
Kris Boner
139 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Sincerely speaking, the highlight of this match has been listening Men in Blazers help the commentary. Everything else, meh.

Warrington already looks tidy.

John Raftery
140 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Son of Danny Mills, Mike. Showed promise at Under-18 and Under-23.
Mike Gaynes
141 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike C, that's Roger from Men in Blazers. He's awesome. Massive, passionate Blue. Enjoy the guy.
Alex Parr
142 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Not seen Stanley Mills previously but impressed so far. Recall seeing his name mentioned a week or so ago as someone wanting to see more of him, was either on here or Grand Old Team.

Anyone know much about his contract status etc?

Frank Wade
143 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike G, Mills is an Academy player. His father was Danny Mills, played for City and Leeds
Soren Moyer
144 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I just don't think Gbamin is the answer! But sadly there ain't any takers!!
Mike Gaynes
145 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Thanks, Frank. Of course I remember Danny Mills. Very much enjoying watching this young man gallop around.
Soren Moyer
146 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Anthony Coleman!? LOL.
Brian Wilkinson
147 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I've seen Miils a few times and been impressed each time, attacking midfielder normally – not sure where commentators got "right-back like his dad" from.
Mike Corcoran
148 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Antony Coleman? 1888? For fuck's sake…

Warrington looking tidy though.

Mike Gaynes
149 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Great shot of Tarkowski and Mills talking. Two biggest sets of ears in one picture since National Geographic did its last elephant documentary.
Bill Gienapp
150 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Is it just me, or does Rondon actually look downright trim?
Alex Parr
151 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike G, that had me chuckling. I hear you pal ;)

Bill, I still have hope Rondon will prove useful. I think a lot of the shit he got since joining was unfair.

Is anyone captain this half? Haven't spotted anyone with the armband?

Will Mabon
152 Posted 17/07/2022 at
This American commentary is of the same standard as the English commentary of the NFL.
Alex Gray
153 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tarkowski is our best defender by a country mile already. Bit of a non-event second half but at least we've tried to play.

Rondon looks about two stone lighter and can actually run by the looks of it! Still can't play football but he could probably beat my dad at a 100-m sprint now!

Mike Gaynes
154 Posted 17/07/2022 at
He does, Bill.

Gbamin showing excellent movement also.

Will Mabon
155 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I guess it could've been a lot worse, and we improved a little through the second half. Can't read much in at this stage. Conceding two quick goals whilst looking asleep reminds of last season, but that aside, not exactly outclassed by Arsenal.
Mike Gaynes
156 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Couldn't stand it, Will. Had to turn it off.

The play-by-play moron was bad enough, but you'd think a World Cup winner like Heather O'Reilly would at least get the players' names right.

Soren Moyer
157 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Take care, Blues.
Will Mabon
158 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike, maybe it will be improved for when the World Cup comes to town... it needs to be.

Did you notice "Doucouré Gray" in the first half...!

Derek Knox
159 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Much better second half showing, which was allegedly largely the reserves, Mills impressed, as did Warrington, Mykolenko and Tarkowski. Let's hope lessons are learnt along the way.
Bill Gienapp
160 Posted 17/07/2022 at
O'Reilly had some real highlights, like when she talked about having the hots for Brian McBride, or when she mentioned that her brother attended the same high school prom as Tim Howard.
Tony Twist
161 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I honestly don't know how you could praise the performance of anyone on that pitch, it was embarrassing.

Arsenal looked like they had three extra players on the pitch and it is plainly obvious that the coaching staff and manager just haven't got a clue. There is little evidence that a team is being brought together and it will only take a bit of time. We looked like amateurs.

"Sick and tired" is the best way to describe how I feel towards Everton and I bet I am not the only one. The incompetence of the Board is being brought home in all its glory and two or three signings won't ease our pain.

Don Alexander
162 Posted 17/07/2022 at
So some of us above are bizarrely still disappointed that our twelfth (check it out!) manager in the Moshiri - Kenwright era is also failing like the eleven before him to engender a veneer of competence on the pitch from the squad and ingredients provided to him, and us, by our hapless (putting it mildly) owner and Board.

Still, never mind eh? Let's vent our collective spleen on the alleged incompetence of our current young manager whilst ignoring the tumours within all of the vital organs of our club.

You know it makes no sense, surely?

Jay Harris
163 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike G, didn't see Patterson like you did. To me Mills showed him what a fullback/wingback should be doing.

I was pleased for the young lads in the second half. A much better showing all round although Arsenal did ease up a bit.

Iwobi, Gordon and Tarkowski will be very important players for us this season.

Andy Peers
166 Posted 17/07/2022 at
What a difference the youngsters made. Holgate and Davies should hang their head in shame. You both had potential and desire, now you are just terrible, where did it all go wrong?
Gavin Johnson
167 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Nkounkou is awful defensively but I was impressed with Mills and Warrington.
Brian Wilkinson
168 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Arsenal have had 2 workouts already and started with their strongest 11, whereas we split the team into two halves; second half, I thought we played a lot better.

Tarkowski looks like we've picked up a decent player there.

Need to get another striker in.

Neil Copeland
169 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike #149, not sure if the African elephants we saw at Maryland Zoo were slightly smaller actually!
Bill Gall
170 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Well, the youngsters in the second half made a difference but I will keep saying it until professional coaches at Everton finally do something about it — and that is: Improve our non-existent midfield.

Arsenal controlled the midfield in the first half and are going to be a strong Top 6 contender next season if they sign Zinchenko from Man City. Arsenal had a lot possession in the second half but never really tested the keeper.

As I watched the second half, with a lot of passing around the back and a lack of movement in the midfield, I felt like switching off but just kept saying "It's supposedly just a friendly," but I never believed it was ever just a friendly game, as it proves nothing.

Last season, the opposition knew Richarlison was our danger man and they made sure he was marked; this season, it will be Gordon and I hope he is used more on the right than the left to try and fill the Richarlison position.

I suppose we can take some satisfaction in we are a team who were fighting against relegation last season, against a team playing for a Top 6 position. The downside is we look no better than last season.

Ed Prytherch
171 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I don't attach much importance to performances in pre-season.

In 1985, I took my son to an NFL pre-season game in Columbia, South Carolina, between the Buffalo Bills and the Chicago Bears. It was an awful, boring game and we left convinced that neither team would threaten my Dolphins or his Broncos. How wrong could we be. The Bears won the Super Bowl in a trouncing of the Patriots.

Pre-season is about preparing, trying things out, getting match fit. We will have a better idea of our immediate future in a few weeks time.

Bill Watson
172 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Yes, it was our first serous workout but the first half was a continuation of last season's inability to retain the ball and move forward.

Much improved in the second half. We didn't actually test their goalkeeper but we looked a lot more competitive and Arsenal never really looked like scoring another.

On this showing, both Patterson and Nkounkou are still way off Premier League standard but Mills and Warrington impressed.

Warren Brennan
173 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Confidence is still clearly a massive problem. Ossie made the comment a couple of times of how Arsenal were able to relax in possession, whereas a lot of our core players seem to crap themselves more than I do watching when they get on the ball.

You watch them consistently doing the close-quarter pressure-passing stuff in training, but they can't do it with more time and space on the pitch.

Putting aside pre-season excuses, fitness, players, tactics etc, some of our players just seem unable to shake the shell-shocked opossum thing.

George Stuart
174 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I'm such an Evertonian. All I can think of is Three Yellow cards…

It's going to be a long season.

Ernie Baywood
175 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I've avoided all things Everton since the last game (and I'd mentally checked out a few days before that one).

By chance, I couldn't watch this one. In any case, you don't learn much in pre-season that we don't already know. The squad lacks quantity and quality.

But there's one thing that stuck out for me...

We still have Rondon? I thought he was only contracted to the end of last season. Surely there's no point in him being there. How on earth does he have a contract?

Nicolas Piñon
176 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Just saw the highlights and we certainly lack creativity. Hope Moshiri's words the other day were true because, if not, everyone knows what this season will be like.

Apart from not being able to watch the game live, I would be so worried by a first pre-season friendly but more if additions aren't made really. Sounds boring being so repetitive but that's my opinion. With our terrible injury record, we at least need three players I believe.

As Andy Duphrane says in The Shawshank Redemption, hope is the last thing we lose. (Or some similar words!)


Kieran Kinsella
177 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I wasn't able to watch but the consensus on here, Reddit and Twitter seems to be that Mills and Warrington were impressive. That's encouraging although I recall back in the Moyes era being impressed with Patrick Boyle and James Wallace who hit a 60-yard pass that landed on a dime. I don't think either ever went on to play a full league game for us.

On the flip side, I also recall Stones and Anichebe (I know he has his detractors but I thought he did pretty well for us) making their mark on US tours.

So I'm hopeful plus Frank managed to be the kid whisperer at Chelsea. What's frustrating to hear is the usual reports of mistakes, lethargy and disinterest from Alli, Holgate etc.

James Flynn
178 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The feed I was watching had American soccer player, Heather O'Reilly and some guy. I don't know what network it was, but they both need firing. I'm not kidding.

It was as if two people were just shooting the breeze about this or that with a muted TV somewhere near them. Every now and again, one of them would glance at the TV, make a brief comment about what they see, then go back to shooting the breeze about this and that.

All 90 minutes. Not even a pretense of professionalism. Pretty shocking.

Mike Gaynes
179 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Ernie #175, Benitez signed Rondon to a 2-year contract. Runs through June 2023. And of course there's a point... if Dom gets hurt again, Rondon is currently the only backup.

James #178, the feed was from Stadium, a sports network I never heard of before today. It's operated by Sinclair Broadcasting, which is a corporate piece of shit promoting right-wing politics through local TV newscasts.

O'Reilly was an absolute embarrassment, a World Cup winner with 231 caps for the USA who couldn't even pronounce the players' names correctly. I turned off the sound most of the game, except when the hilarious Roger Bennett was on as a guest commentator. Roger is the Pope of American Toffees.

Lee Courtliff
180 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I've never really valued pre-season games since the summer of 2000 when I watched Alex Nyarko perform an unbelievably convincing impression of Patrick Viera! We all know how that turned out.
Danny O’Neill
181 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I never try to read too much into pre-season and only saw the first half an hour before flaking.

My only observation was how deep we sat and how isolated Calvert-Lewin was on more than one occasion.

Like I say, I'll try not to read to much into it.

Jim Bennings
182 Posted 17/07/2022 at
How did all of our threatening new attacking signings do??

Oh I forgot, we haven't bought any.

Paul McGinty
183 Posted 17/07/2022 at
There looked to be about 45,000 in attendance. I estimated 10-12,000 fans of the School of Science. Although Everton are clearly behind Arsenal in terms of its USA fanbase, kudos to the marketing effort for this tour.

Past USA Everton players were noted in a video on the big screen. Flags both large and small were given away to Blues fans. All the Everton anthems were played over the stadium sound system, we even came out to Z-Cars.

The Everton USA soccer academies were heavily promoted. We may have lost the game but won the marketing battle – Arsenal did not put the same effort in. New replica shirts were sold – I counted 3 in my row alone. So finally, after years of bleating about it, the commercial guys did a good job.

As to the performance, the back 3 in the first half and the attempts to play out were awful. Mina tried to lead but Godfrey and Holgate were just off the pace.

We could not get out – Doucouré's distribution is not his strength and Tom Davies just was anonymous. Dele tried, but there was no width to our attacking play.

Granted, the goals we conceded were poor. a Pickford flap at a corner and a total defensive breakdown for the second, but with the possession conceded, no way were we not going to give up goals.

Both teams were on paper weaker in the second half – we were far better relative to the opposition. Iwobi and Gordon gave us attacking width. The back three were far more accomplished on the ball and moved it quicker, and the wingbacks - Mills and Mykolenko did well.

Well played to Mills particularly; Gbamnin got around and was active and physical – he's a specimen. But he did that in Orlando last year, then stunk the joint out back in the Premier League His midfield partner back from Tranmere had a lot of touches and rarely gave the ball away.

Again playing Arsenal's second string but the second-half group were much more mobile as a unit and had more joy pressing the ball.

I did appreciate the guys stuck up for one another more so than years past. for example, Mills was being roughed up by the Arsenal No 9, Eddie Nketiah – Tarkowski intervened, then to put an exclamation point on it, wiped the same Arsenal player out at the earliest opportunity. Good stuff - and about time.

Obviously a loss. Arsenal are ahead maybe in their pre-season fitness levels but clearly based on this, we are learning the coaches' system, and Lampard is making decisions on players.

Arsenal's movement was way superior and how they dealt with our pressure was clinical. So… much to do for the management team in the coming weeks.

Sam Hoare
184 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Didn't watch but it seems Arsenal started with a very strong XI and we mixed in reserves in both halves. Arsenal will be expecting to challenge top 4 this season whereas (sadly) 10th/11th/12th would be seen as progress and a decent season for us.

Last season, Lampard abandoned attempts to get us to play it out from the back fairly quickly. I wonder how long he will try it this season? Tarkowski is better passing out from the back than most would realise but you also need central midfielder with good technique who show for the ball and can retain and distribute ball, not sure we can expect Warrington to make the step up so quickly and we've no-one else who can really do that.

It will most likely be another long season I fear and I wonder if Lampard will last the course. I hope so. Though I'm not sure what I saw last season left me convinced.

Brian Murray
185 Posted 17/07/2022 at
By all accounts, Warrington can do what Davies and Doucouré etc fail to do and that's receive the ball off the defenders and turn. So, if we are still struggling to get a player in, he has to be given a chance to do what Gbamin was bought for. Sounds desperate but that's where we are.

As for conceding another straight after... well, that's our trait – fit or not fit.

Gary Jones
186 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We need to replace Richarlison's goals. Without a genuine alternative/foil for Dominic Calvert-Lewin, “Everton 0” is going to be far too regular this season. There's shoots of hope in this game, but investment is needed asap.
Tony Everan
187 Posted 17/07/2022 at
It was our first pre-season game so I won't read too much into this. The balance between a season of progress and a struggle is going to be determined by the signings we make in the next few weeks.
Danny Baily
188 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Sam 184, finishing 10th-12th would be a massive achievement for this squad and manager.

The key factor will be how the promoted teams adapt. If one or two of them do well (one inevitably does), then we're in trouble.

Robert Tressell
189 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Danny @188.

Just on that, I've had a good look at all the squads for the coming season and I think we're in a pack with Leeds, Southampton, Brentford, Brighton, Wolves and Palace – and ahead of the three promoted clubs Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest. Some of these have a better first XI than us but injuries can hit etc.

The critical thing for us is keeping Calvert-Lewin fit. If we can do that, there are 9 clubs we can finish above. Obviously takes good management and a bit of luck too.

Seems unlikely we'd finish above Aston Villa, Leicester City, Newcastle Utd or West Ham Utd though.

Eddie Dunn
190 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Didn't watch this but, after a couple of happy months, I am now ready for the usual depressing and frustrating season ahead.

At least they haven't built our hopes up.

Terry Farrell
191 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Well done to all Blues attending the match, especially my old mate, Neil.

Welch, Mills and Warrington did well. Rondon still absolutely garbage, Alex, and it's taken him a year to get there! He can't win headers, can't hold the ball up, can't run fast, can't run ¾ pace for long bursts, and is on £60k per week for another year.

I was hoping to see Simms establish himself in the squad. Looks like Frank is going with 5 at the back but the 3 midfield players need to be a well-oiled machine for that to work. I think we are better suited to 4-3-3 but we have to trust Frank and be patient.

Ian Bennett
192 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Cough up cheap goals – check
No real creativity – check
No goal threat – check

Just rename us "Everton lose" or "Everton nil", as that's what the season looks like.

Everton 5/1 to go down with Bet Victor, I'd take those odds early.

Tony Everan
193 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Sam, Danny, Robert

The spread betting markets on betfair corroborate that, there is not much liquidity but they indicate an expected 11th place finish. This is impartial consensus so even though it is hard to stomach it is true to say that anything better than 11th represents progress over and above neutral expectation.

Marc Hints
194 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I thought there were some positives from the game.

Arsenal have already played two games so are ahead of us in terms of match fitness.

Let's judge towards the end of pre-season and hopefully some new signings.

Danny Baily
195 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tony @193, reassuring that the bookies have us safe.
John Kavanagh
196 Posted 17/07/2022 at
James @178 and Mike @179.

I think the commentary crew last night were the back-ups for the commentary team from Channel Ocho in Dodgeball, but I'd still employ them over all the ex RS 'experts' infesting our media.

Christy Ring
197 Posted 17/07/2022 at
It's our first game pre-season and Arsenal's third, so we're still not up to fitness. We definitely need to sign 3/4 players. Playing 5 at the back leaves us totally exposed in midfield and on the back foot.
Phil Lewis
198 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The mindless continual chit-chat during the commentary irritated me so much that I turned the volume off and watched in silence.

Pickford captain? Don't make me laugh. He showed with both goals exactly what a liability he is and always will be.

First half was a facsimile of last season. Gormless shadow chasing, slack marking, sloppy challenges and poor distribution.

Instant improvement in second half. So refreshing to see young players doing the basics correctly and playing with inventiveness.

I sincerely hope Lampard has the courage to continually select these youngsters. Otherwise expect a repeat of last season's relegation woes.

Geoff Lambert
199 Posted 17/07/2022 at
It's going to be a long drawn-out season yet again. I just got to hope Calvert-Lewin stays fit as we will miss his 9 goals and 0 assists.

No midfield general... more like Corporal Clots. The kids showed some fight and creativity in second half and Tarkowski looks like a solid unit.

We need a goalscorer and some midfield additions to stay above the Bottom 3 or Bottom 4.

Sam Hoare
200 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tony@193, with our current squad I'd probably have us around 13th/14th. But hopefully after we've added some goals and creativity we'll be nearer 11th. That would represent progress and a decent season to me, which is somewhat depressing. Much may depend on our transfer moves over the next month or so.
Tony Abrahams
201 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Turning the sound down is something I do nearly every time I watch Everton play on the telly. I got home about 11:30 pm, and even though I knew we were kicking off at midnight, I just got a shower and went to bed.

Judging by some of the comments on this thread, it seems I made the right choice, but watching pre-season games has always bored me, just like some of the comments on this thread.

If Moshiri doesn't come good on his promise, then a very long season it'll be, but I think this is something every single Evertonian already knows?

Moshiri wants out, but he can't sell without taking a massive hit, and Kenwright wants to stay until we move into our new ground. In the meantime, it's us Evertonians that will continue to suffer.

Robert Tressell
202 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Christy # 197. If we do get 3 or 4 decent players in then we can start to compete with Aston Villa, West Ham Utd, Leicester CIty and Newcastle Utd. I don't think that's at all likely unfortunately.

As you say, I also hope we ditch the 5- / 3-man defence. It just robs us of an extra body higher up the pitch, invites pressure, and pins us back in our own half, posing no threat to the opposition.

Obviously it's meant to release the full-backs into midfield – but it never works that way because our back 3 and midfield aren't very good.

Martin Mason
203 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Great to see everybody so supportive and positive.
Ian Edwards
204 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Hello everyone. Trust all enjoying the Summer.

I'm not going to get too down about a friendly but the team selected for the first half was awful. There were 8 defensive players. I trust Lampard won't choose that XI in Premier League games; otherwise, we will be in terrible trouble...

Tony Hill
205 Posted 17/07/2022 at
These games are for fitness and trying things out, obviously. I think we will get in 2 or 3 players and I intend to enjoy the season ahead. This is a building programme (again) and we’d best get some perspective right from the start.

If we all relax a bit, mentally, then we may be pleasantly surprised. That goes for the players too.

Pat Kelly
206 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Not to worry. There's rumour of reinforcement coming. From Burnley.
James Newcombe
207 Posted 17/07/2022 at
It’s a friendly. And our first one at that. It doesn’t really mean much in the grand scheme of things. Unless I missed the open top bus parade when we won that trophy last summer.
Pat Kelly
208 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Did we do an open-top bus for the Florida Cup?
Gary Jones
209 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Ian @204,

It's an excellent point about just how defensive the team actually was. Frank's comments about “we have to play 5 with this squad” are concerning.

Why do we “need to” play 5? Didn't Tarkowski help? Is it because the other 4 centre-backs are so shit they can't be put in a 2? Is it the fullbacks? Is it no Number 6?

I just don't get why we need to play 5??? Even more concerning is why haven't we addressed whatever it is stopping us going with 4 and having a midfield and attack.

I'm also getting very nervous that we are offering no real goal threat. Gray seems to have lost any threat, Gordon's best game is stretching and countering at pace down the flank (not at Number 10, imho), Dobbin and Simms not even on bench. Dele making runs but nobody to thread it through. Richarlison has gone. Townsend may never get back to early last year levels, and Doucouré pegged back to defensive mid again.

The whole thing is really confusing.

Imho, Frank needs to grow some balls, go to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, and play on the front foot from the off. If it means playing Holgate or Godfrey at right-back or left-back, then so be it, albeit I would much rather stick with the young lads and let them settle in more.

If Gbamin ain't the answer in the anchor role, then try Warrington. If Warrington isn't the answer, then for fuck's sake, buy or loan someone quickly. If Gray keeps firing blanks, then try Dobbin or Mills on the right. If they don't work, then for fuck's sake buy…

5 at the back will be okay if 2-3 up and wanting to shut up shop or hit on counter, but it's a dead plan the second you go down by one! With our defence, that one is inevitable.

I don't get why one of the best goal scoring midfielders in our country's history can't see the need to make teams think twice about throwing players forward against us.

Assuming nobody comes in, the next friendly we should try something like this for at least 65-70 mins:

Patterson Tarkowski Welch Mykolenko
Dele Alli Gbamin Iwobi
Mills Calvert-Lewin Gordon

Still really lightweight in the front 3 though.

Or, if he *has to* accommodate Gray, try 4-4-2. Can't stand the system personally, but with Gray, Gordon, Nkounkou, Mills on the wings, and a big lad (Simms or Rondon) next to Calvert-Lewin, it may suit us more than this 5 at the back shit.

Mike Gwyer
210 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Martin #203.

Being serious, it was quite a depressing watch... Arsenal put their best team forward in the first half but Frank split the Everton team over the two halves, with Mina first half and Tarkowski 2nd half. I'm guessing we will see Mina and Tarkowski together with Keane as the 3rd centre-back.

If you want positives – Gordon, Tarkowski, Warrington and Iwobi... for me, Tarkowski and Mina will not concede too many goals.

Too many negatives but the real bad negatives were - Holgate at right-back, Davies as holding mid, the boy who played left-back 1st half and Rondon up top 2nd half. And playing out from back 1st half, that was embarrassing to watch.

Robert Tressell
211 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Gary, agree - Frank's logic is flawed and we see it on the pitch.

He goes with an extra centre-back because he hasn't got a specialist holding midfielder to protect a 2-man defence.

But he then exposes his 3 centre-backs with a 2-man midfield that gets easily overrun. Especially when one of them, Jesus wept, is Gomes.

It would make more sense to use 3 midfielders even if they don't include a specialist holding player to shield 2 centre-backs.

Brian Harrison
212 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I didn't see the game but most who did didn't seem too impressed, although many thought the youngsters did better than some of our established players.

What did concern me was that apparently we played 5 at the back, seems like Lampard is insistent on this system. Every time we play this system, it immediately puts us on the back foot so no surprise we conceded 2 early goals.

I, along with many, wanted Lampard, mind the only alternative seemed to be Pereira, and he soon realized he couldn't play the type of game he wanted when he joined.

Seems like 4-4-3 suits the top 2 teams who dominate the Premier League, so hard to see why Lampard doesn't operate the same successful system. Everytime Southgate has moved from a back 4, the national team seem to struggle.

The loss of Richarlison will haunt us for most of the season, although I can't blame the player for wanting away he practically carried us over the line with the help of Pickford.

To be honest, I have never been a fan of Calvert-Lewin, I think he is a very limited player. He doesn't create much for his team mates and relies solely on crosses into the box for his goals.

Brian Wilkinson
213 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Like I said in a previous comment, it is all about fitness. This was Arsenal's third game and they went into the match, with their strongest starting 11. Lampard decided to split the squad into two, to give players a 45-min run out in each half.

Make no mistake, in both midfield and attack, we are desperately short on quality players, but overall we had some positives. Tarkowski looks like a decent addition in the defence, Mills and Warrington both had decent games.

Iwobi and Mykolenko both had decent second halves when they came on.

It all comes down to who we can bring in, we cannot go into the season with Rondon as the main backup.

I looked at the overall team and the defence looks a bit more secure with Mykolenko, Patterson and Tarkowski there, could be the making of Michael Keane with those players around him.

I would go all out to bring in an out-and-out striker, and somehow try to get Connor Gallagher in as the midfield general.

Saying he was played out of position as a right-wingback, I thought Mills did a good job, he is even better when played in his attacking midfield role. In the next match, I would play Mills just behind Calvert-Lewin.

It's now a question of who we can bring in, but I would not get too down just yet. Let's see how we do on Wednesday, but this time forget about the result, start with a stronger starting 11 and get the players' fitness up.

I would start with Pickford, Patterson Tarkowski, Keane and Mykolenko at the back, Doucoure, Gordon, Warrington, Iwobi in midfield, and play Mills just behind Calvert-Lewin.

Give that starting 11 a run-out, might get a bit messy when we make the changes to bring Davies, Holgate, Rondon etc on, but the next game should be about starting the game with a more balanced team, and players who impressed against Arsenal.

Dave Williams
214 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Someone earlier in this thread made the very valid point that we will be hoping for a mid-table finish whilst they will be Top 6 – hence why we lost to the better side!

Frank is testing out some of his players and, by the sound of it, the youngsters did themselves no harm at all in the second half. As regards the first half we were without Allan, Gordon and Iwobi who would surely have made a big difference in our constructive play.

I didn't see the game and am intrigued by the comments on Patterson – some say he was poor whilst others, such as Mike Gaynes who generally knows a player when he sees one, say he did well.

Could Mills make a push for the first team? Maybe Warrington can be our defensive midfielder, or Gbamin (miracles do happen).

I hope we see Dobbin and Simms in the next game – Dobbin looks a real player to me.

Keep the faith people, Frank has to be given time and surely a couple of new players will come in?

Terry Downes
215 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Just been reading that we've asked for Cornet on loan with an option to buy? For fuck's sake, his buy-out clause is £17.5M – if we ain't got that, then we can forget Broja, Gibbs-White or any fucker else for that matter.

We're in danger of being left behind here as nearly all top teams are buying well. According to reports, West Ham have three bids on the table: £30M+ for Broja, £30M+ for Onanna – both of whom we've been linked with – and £30M for Scamacca. All of which shows where we are at the feeding table.

It looks like a hard long season with the possibility of another new manager at some point? Onward and downward for us, me thinks!

Stuart Sharp
216 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Good to see that a summer break has done nothing to dampen the stench of negativity from some corners of TW.

The first half was a bit grim, but Arsenal are a much better side and have already played two friendlies. The long ball was fine by me as our midfield was rubbish and Arsenal had left space at the back. The most concerning thing was the defending of set pieces.

The second half was much better. I actually enjoyed it. Mills was great. Tarkowski made several trademark blocks and showed leadership at the end when dealing with Pepe (who was squaring up to Mills). That final tackle was quality. Admittedly, we rarely looked like scoring, but it was pre-season for fuck's sake.

Robert Williams
217 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike Gaynes @149.

What is it with you and ears, mate? I recall a similar comment a few weeks ago and I thought it was in bad taste then!

Perhaps you would care to post a photo of yourself for closer inspection.

Ari Sigurgeirsson
218 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I watched the game. Stanley Mills, Lewis Warrington and Reece Welch all impressed me. Not that I am a specialist but always good to see new faces and it is the first time I have noticed the name Stanley Mills.

Nice to see that Iwobi seems very fit and hopefully he will continue as he left off last season, very good that is. Tarkowski, no disappointment there. He is what we've needed in defence, imo.

Tony Abrahams
219 Posted 17/07/2022 at
If Lampard said this then it's more than concerning, Gary, because it's obvious that teams that have two-man midfields constantly get overrun in the Premier League.
Kevin Prytherch
220 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I think Lampard's comments have been taken out of context a bit.

He said that he played with 3 centre-backs because he was making 11 changes at half-time and the travelling squad leant towards 2 teams with three centre-backs in, not because of the make-up of the first team squad in general.

He wanted to give everyone 45 minutes and the best way to do this was with 3 centre-backs each half.

Justin Doone
221 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Friendlies are for fitness and trying out new partnerships, tactics etc so I'm not judging players or results on this game.

However, we all know we need to bring in a few quality players to improve the first team and Frank is still very much learning on the job.

It's always good to see some of the young reserve players playing with and against experienced professionals of a good standard.

I don't want to be negative or make silly predictions so I'll simply end with that. I hope a couple of youngsters can have a breakthrough season.

Danny O’Neill
222 Posted 17/07/2022 at
As I said earlier, I didn't manage to last the course and went to bed after half an hour. Getting an update from my son this morning, apparently a much better second half.

His opinion, not mine, but Welch impressed him as did Mills. Warrington, a player I really like, apparently done okay, but looked the least ready of the youngsters. All opinion-based obviously.

Also, as suspected, Tarkowski brought much-needed leadership. I've just watched that crunching tackle on the player near the corner flag. Again, not getting carried away, but I feel that he could become popular, despite being viewed by many as a bit of an uninspiring signing.

Dave Williams
223 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The best formation will only be found when we solve the Number 6 and creative problem. With a good and natural player at No 6 he will protect the two centre-backs and the full-backs can push up. With a creative midfielder, the pressure comes off the defence as we retain more possession.

So we need three to come in including a striker and most likely we can't afford three so a youngster needs to step up – Warrington? (Or Gbamin???)

Gary Jones
224 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Can the people using fitness as an excuse please give it a rest. They play training matches and they train. If we are “unfitter” than Arsenal at this stage, then we are already on the back foot and have only ourselves to blame. It's a truly pathetic excuse.
Gary Jones
225 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Kevin @ 220 - so, what you appear to be saying is that Lampard played a system he apparently has no intention of using, simply because he wanted to play all players at some stage and didn't want to play some out of position to do that??

I honestly don't know if that's worse than playing the system because you mistakenly think it's the best one. The players need minutes, agreed, but we need to find a winning system in the next 3 weeks or risk getting off to a horrendous start in what already feels like a tough season.

Brian Wilkinson
226 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I've seen Mills a few times, one of the youngsters I have been keeping a close eye on. He was played out of position last night as a wingback. His strength is attacking from the centre of midfield. I would love to see him played just behind Calvert-Lewin.

He scored a few good goals for the U23s – check out the goal he scored against Sheffield Utd. He took the ball from midfield, went on a run, and unleashed a beauty from outside the box.

Tom Bowers
227 Posted 17/07/2022 at
As I had said, these pre-season games have one purpose and that is fitness (apart from the vacation).

Rusty is not a word that applies. It's only 5 minutes since the last season ended and I am sure many dedicated players have kept themselves fit.

However, despite that, Everton were a shambles in that first 20 minutes and the first Arsenal goal was coming.

Everton are an enigma. They are the only team that can have eleven men back and still be wide open!!

The wholesale changes at halftime proved that the result was unimportant but to give everyone a run-out.

It's quite clear to all of us that big improvements are necessary all over the park… but will they happen?

Tony Abrahams
228 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The thing about top-level football, Gary, is that there can never be any excuses, mate. There can be an acceptance though which can help to create mediocrity, and this is why Liverpudlians have unfortunately got that big fuck-off banner on the kop.

If that was Arsenal's third game, then they are definitely further down the line than Everton, with regards to having a bit more proper football in their legs, and this is not about looking for excuses.

We need players, and if the fans know this, then I'm certain that the players will know this? After Moshiri's latest interview, people have began to back off putting pressure on the people who need it the most. But this is very worrying, because we are definitely in the middle of another crossroad, and we could quickly fold like a pack of cards without some reinforcements.

Steavey Buckley
230 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I dislike 3-5-2, it makes Everton more vulnerable defensively and less solid at the back. It is hard enough to get Everton to defend properly when there are 4 at the back, but asking Everton defenders to defend with one less player, you're asking for trouble. As surely happened with 2 goals conceded so easily.
Tony Twist
231 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I am surprised there aren't more high-profile pre-season matches with Everton. We are truly accommodating and will give any opposition a confidence boost.

This really has to stop and is one of the problems in the club's philosophy. Yes, we all understand it boosts fitness but a loss is a loss and is unacceptable.

Let's face it, this was more than a loss, it was humiliating. Arsenal went through the motions in the second half. It was pathetic. It shows they are nowhere near – that includes the coaching which is quite frankly sub-standard or not being mirrored by the players on the pitch.

Recruitment is dreadful, we should be looking for two central midfielders at least who can boss a game. With that, the team become more impenetrable and therefore the play moves up the pitch towards their goal rather than our goal, meaning attackers don't worry as much on defensive duties and more on how to roast the opposition.

Will they go for two central midfielders? No – and that is why we will continually go round and round in circles until the relegation bomb drops.

Ralph Basnett
232 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Don't get why we play 5 at the back to keep it tight but with options to get forward, always concede and don't get forward and lose.

Then do the same next game but change the defenders (must be their fault and not the system) and result is the same.

Everton that.

Ian Riley
233 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Our performance this morning was fine. Only 2 goals conceeded. Some youngsters had a run out. Frank has no choice but to go defensive. Last thing we needed was a drubbing by 5 or 6 goals.

The squad is not good enough to achieve anything other than survival but not I'm confident of that. Pointless changing the manager time and time again with no real quality added to the team. Frank is no Carlo, Moyes or Allardyce and sorry they would struggle without additional players.

Those expecting more! Don't! A further season of staying positive getting behind our current squad is crucial. The gap between us and the Top 4 is wider than when the premiership was created. We are one of the founder members and fighting to stay in it. Realism is needed to help Frank and the players.

Stay positive all!!!!

Andrew Keatley
234 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I watched the game via the club website and, while we clearly lacked any real creative edge or ambition, I thought there were several promising signs, especially in the second half.

My main feeling about the game is that Ben Godfrey and Mason Holgate both have to improve in possession – and fast. Godfrey's passing is just so slow, one-dimensional and tentative that it makes playing out from the back almost impossible against any side that presses well.

Mason Holgate thinks he can dawdle on the ball and pick a pass, but too often his judgement and execution is so poor that he ends up coughing up possession on the edge of our box; only a fantastic save from Pickford stopped Jesus scoring after an early Holgate disaster.

If Lampard wants to play 3 centre-halves, and play out from the back, then I don't think Godfrey or Holgate are currently good enough or reliable enough.

I understand the logic in letting Branthwaite go out on loan for his long-term development but he might have solved that problem for us, as his passing is generally good, as is his composure on the ball.

I don't think Godfrey can or will improve to the requisite levels; although I really like his tenacity and passion, he would probably be a player I'd be happy to offload as we could still probably get a decent fee for him and reinvest that elsewhere.

Nkounkou was lively, but a liability defensively. Tom Davies went through the motions (although apparently he never hides, or so I regularly read on here...), and Dele Alli worked hard but was starved of good possession.

Calvert-Lewin came to life a couple of times but was too isolated, possibly because Demarai Gray continues to struggle to assert himself.

Positive steps forward from Reece Welch, Stanley Mills and Lewis Warrington – none looked out of place, and Mills in particular showed pace, aggression, skill and ambition down the right side in the second half.

Gbamin showed signs that he might be ready to contribute something, but I've said that before and been proven wrong. Tarkowski looked decent enough, as did Mina and Keane.

Mykolenko was very good, and Iwobi was everywhere and continues to look like one of our best players – along with Gordon, who is going to be a massive player for us going forward.

But the pick of the bunch for me was Doucouré. His performance in the first half was absolutely excellent on all fronts.

Bill Watson
235 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Gary #224,

These days, a lot of these games are used for promoting the 'brand' but that wasn't always the case. Clubs have always played pre-season, friendly, warm-up matches. Everton used to have a Probables v Possibles game at Goodison Park on the Saturday before the season started.

Training matches are no substitute for competitive games. That's why a player who's been out injured for a while often looks off the pace when they come back.

Garry Martin
236 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Dire football resumed without our only committed player, Richarlison.

God help us this coming season. More of the same rubbish.

Ed Prytherch
237 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I agree with the positive comments about Mills and Warrington, they both played well and Mills looked better than Patterson. Nkounkou still cannot defend very well.

We picked up a feed with Arsenal commentators. Not ideal but probably better than the US crew.

Pete Clarke
238 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Any squad that has players such as Rondon, Davies and Mina etc in it is going absolutely nowhere. Some might say Mina is good but I completely disagree and think he is a big liability and waste of space.

So here we are, about to start a season with our biggest hope being that our relatively new young manager can produce some miracle and keep us in the Premier League.

I know I am pinning my hopes on him but he's been given the perfect excuse for failure by our owner who, just like the rest of us, is just hoping it goes okay. He doesn't feel it like we do though and money means nothing to him.

Great to see some of the young lads given a run out last night and I get the feeling they are all going to get lots of game time this season due to the paucity of our squad and poor bookkeeping by our owner.

Moshiri and Kenwright Out!

Raymond Fox
239 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Arsenal are a Top 6 side who have already played a couple of games, we got what I think most of us expected.

These matches are useful for the manager and the coaches, especially to see how the young players cope.

We are bound to make a few additions to the squad and, with luck on the injury front, we will probably finish around the 14th to 16th position.

That's about where we are at. I don't think it's realistic to expect more after the loss of Richarlison.

Barry Shearer
240 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Fun to go back to Baltimore. Great crowd. Good runout.

The youngsters looked good especially Mills and Warrington. There is a team in here with a few additions. To me, Gray is talented but can be effective. Not a great game from him.

Davies is so frustrating. Nkounkou is not the best defensively, that will cost him a place in the team. Poor on both goals.

I thought Jesus lead the line well for Arsenal, something where Calvert-Lewin can do better. Tarkowski looks good. If Mina can stay fit, that will be a good partnership. Nice to see Patterson too.

What the heck did Gordon do to his hair. I thought I was back at the Billy Idol concert. A lot will be relied on him this season. He can take it.

I wanted to mention here I bumped into an Everton fan in St Lucia about 6 years ago. I saw him yesterday., That was a holy crap moment.

Also. Leon Osman was around talking to the fans. Fun to see him. Sorry to the guy I photobombed

Jay Harris
241 Posted 17/07/2022 at
For those who didn't watch it, the first half was a total embarrassment and we could have been 5 down by half-time. The tactics were awful and so was Nkounkou, Godfrey and Holgate with Nkounkou going missing for both goals. Arsenal played a high pressing game and that is something we can't seem to handle.

The second half was much better thanks to the subs and Arsenal easing up with Mills, Warrington and Tarkowski showing well. Gordon and Iwobi stood out but could not create the chances we needed to score.

I know this is our first pre-season game but the tactics and some players' performances were very concerning. I expected a lot more, particularly from Godfrey and Nkounkou who, as I said, were atrocious but the most worrying thing was Frank's insistence on playing 3 centre-backs and only 2 in midfield.

If I remember correctly, his Chelsea side started leaking goals using this system just before he was emptied out.

I am still fully behind Frank and his coaching staff but we need to see better than this.

Also, Rondon was just as effective as Calvert-Lewin so I think some of the criticism is unfair.

Mike Gaynes
242 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Paul #183, thanks for that great report. Delighted to hear about our marketing victory. However, I'm a bit bewildered by your comment that Gbamin "stunk the joint out back in the Premier League" -- to the best of my recollection he played one game, in November, and only half of that one. Let's hope he's healthy enough for a better shot this season.

Ian #192, of course you would.

Danny #222, agreed. I'd never seen Warrington or Welch and I'd never even heard of Mills, but none looked out of place against Arsenal's reserves. Love Mills's aggression.

Andrew #234, agree with all your assessments. Personally I would not offload Godfrey yet as he provides something we otherwise lack -- pace -- but his passing has always been very poor.

Raymond #239, not an unreasonable perspective, but we're only 2 weeks into a 9-week transfer window, and I remain confident we'll replace Richarlison's goals.

Tony Hill
243 Posted 17/07/2022 at
It might be worth looking to play Nkounkou further forward in due course. It will also be interesting to see what Cole might be able to do with him.

Stanley Mills, what a beautiful 1940s/1950s English name that is.

David White
244 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I think Godfrey reminds me of Jagielka when he first joined us. Played all sorts of positions, always giving his all. It took Jagielka a while to make it his own spot in the team.

He's definitely going to be a top centre-back but, as we've all seen, they need time to mature. He has plenty of time. People need to see the longer-term picture. Pointless buying all 30-year-old centre-backs as no value long term.

Tarkowski is a good short-term signing while the likes of Godfrey and Branthwaite are polishing up their games. Holgate is nowhere near the player Godfrey is.

The basis of a good young defence is there with Patterson, Mykolenko, Godfrey and Branthwaite. We have to be patient, we've seen the money splurged and wasted. Let's build slowly and surely. Were not going to be challenging for titles any time soon. We need to back these young lads.

I'm hopeful Frank and Kev will add some young quality players to the team. I think Frank maybe a manger in the mould of his uncle Harry. An excellent man-manger who players love to play for. He's done wonders with iwobi!! Gordon seems to have come on under him.

Time and patience is what is needed from Blues or we will be back on the manager merry-go-round.

Brent Stephens
245 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike #242,

Mills and Welch are consistently good performers at U21 (as now is) level, as was Warrington prior to his spell at Tranmere.

I was glad to see these lads included in this tour and I have to say I have a special spot for Warrington. Really hope this lad can make it. Uncomplicated and a great engine. Great experience for all of them.

Has Price been training with the first team this pre-season??

Bill Gall
246 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Though he is not mentioned very much I thought Patterson had a steady game, he was quick going forward and used his speed to cover a couple of defensive mistakes.

As people may have noted my beef is the midfield, or sometimes the lack of it. Last night I thought Doucoure had a decent defensive game but attacking and providing the forwards young Mills didn't do his future no harm, and Davies never impressed at all.

It was just a preseason game in, that the more experienced players just used it for fitness and the younger players tried to impress. With all the injuries he has gone through I thought Gbamin was steady, the young French L/B will not replace Mykolenko, Rondon is a back up and there may be someone in the under 23 that may even replace him.

I thought Arsenal with having played a couple more games looked quicker and with most players from last year where more organized.

We seem to have enough players for the back 3/4 and liked Tarkowski who showed he has that nasty streak in him and constantly encouraged the young players.

First friendly and I think Lampard and his coaches done a good job in the changes they made to see how the majority of the squad performed against a strong premier team.

With the team we presently have it looks like a mid table position, to improve that it will depend on the quality of any new signings.

Alan McGuffog
247 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tony, I think it's the name of that poor bloody engine driver who was coshed in the Great Train Robbery.

Paul McGinty
248 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Mike - I was referring to his performance against Wolves

Granted a really small sample, so maybe being unfair, but he was (to be kind) not great that day.

Sam Hoare
249 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I also worry about Godfrey. I remember really wanting Gabriel and being disappointed when Arsenal pipped us to him, then we paid a similar fee (bit less) for Godfrey. Initially, I loved his pace and no holds barred approach. But he's really not great on the ball, and worse than that I'm not sure he reads the ball very well.

Andrew @234 is right, I'm not sure he can play in a back three where all the centre-backs really need to be able to pass the ball around a bit. Perhaps he'll get better but I'm not that confident. Not the best business one again by us I fear and we'” may have been better off getting Guehi, Salisu or Joachim Andersen all of whom were cheaper.

Think he could do better alongside Mina or Tarkowski in a centre-back pairing where his pace could be vital.

Joe McMahon
250 Posted 17/07/2022 at
On the subject of Miils. Who could forget Mick Mills, what a solid quality player!

Serious question after reading the comments (and I fully admit I'm not a fan at all). But if Davies was transfer-listed, how much do you think we would get?

Tony Hill
251 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Alan @247, you're right which was at the back of my memory, obviously. What a dreadful thing that was.
Tony Hill
252 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Actually, it was Jack Mills, Alan.

Time for us both to retire. Kenrick will be running us out of here for crimes of elderliness.

Brian Wilkinson
253 Posted 17/07/2022 at
The thing with Nkounkou, and I have touched on it a few times, is for me he will be more suited to a left midfield role. He is strong enough to take players on, and put a cross or two in as well, I just think he is a better attacking player, than a left back.

Whether it is at Everton or not, I just think in the longer term, he will be utilised as a left-sided winger.

Danny Baily
254 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Brian @253,

A bit like when Seamus used to play further forward. Not a bad idea while a player lacks defensive awarenesses.

Kieran Kinsella
255 Posted 17/07/2022 at

The Echo had an article last week saying “contrary to reports, The Echo understands Everton didn't have to sell Richarlison due to a cash crisis so they could pay wages.”

I hadn't heard those reports until Prentice had his teenage stooges at The Echo refute them. Then we have Moshiri's statement which mentioned new signings possibly coming from new investment. The new sponsorship after we suddenly ditched the moral high ground.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but one could think we are pretty screwed but Moshiri and Kenwright are pulling a USSR after Andropov died and acting like he's still alive.

Alan J Thompson
256 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I didn't see this game and I'm just going on the comments from those who did watch but, without naming players, at least defensive ones, would we be better off with the squad we have going 4-3-3 with wingers helping out defensively when not in possession rather than 5-3-2 (5-2-3) with full-backs pushing up to wingbacks?

This then would need one full-back getting forward occasionally and one midfielder getting into attacking positions, supporting or playing off Calvert-Lewin when needed, and one winger also coming more central as play dictates.

Pat Kelly
257 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Christy #255, We can finally put the Arteta money mystery behind us. We are now entering the era of what happened the Richarlison money.
Tony Hill
258 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Interesting to hear Lampard noting and praising Warrington's capacity for collecting the ball and then passing and moving with a degree of confidence. "Simple stuff" he describes it as but says he hasn't seen much of it since arriving here.

Encouraging on one level but extraordinary that we have been so lacking in the basics. How on earth has that happened over such a long period - inability to retain possession, to do the sort of stuff that most of us were taught when we were kids?

Derek Knox
259 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Tony @ 260, encouraging words, I'm sure to both Lewis Warrington's ears and ours, as fans. He certainly made an impression on me, which overall was a typical but pretty poor pre-season showing by us, especially first half.

I just hope the lad continues to impress and leave an indelible memory with Frank to include him in the squad.

I also remember being impressed by Kieran Dowell not so long ago, who went on to disappoint given several opportunities. Just hope Lewis can rise above that.

Paul Kossoff
260 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Bill @170.

The youngsters made a difference in the second half? What difference? Whoever you àre talking about made no difference whatsoever!

The whole team were bang average, the only person who tried was Iwobi, and he just ran around like a headless chicken.

No-one in that team will do sod all for us this coming season, and if we think Gordon dying his hair blonde passes him off anywhere near a replacement for Richarlison, then God help us!

He looked out of his depth and was clueless, as was the rest of the team. If that lot manages to not get relegated, then it will be a major miracle.

Tom Bowers
261 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Everton are, and have been for many years, an average side apart from some occasions when they flattered to deceive with the help of some decent strikers.

Nowadays, they are bereft of a class striker and, with the sad prospect of Calvert-Lewin and Rondon to start the season, one can only be dismayed at the kind of season to follow.

Sure, we can all hope something will emerge to give us a competitive edge but we need to get away from the current strategy Lampard is using.

Everton are very poor at passing the ball out of defence and also very slow. They make easy pickins for teams doing the high press and it showed again yesterday.

The big boot downfield is okay sometimes when you have speedy front runners and Everton don't, especially when the only speedy player is Gray who has to play deep too often and the others, Calvert-Lewin etc, have poor ball control.

We can make all the excuses about this being the first pre-season game but the evidence is that Lampard still has his work cut out to make something of this bunch.

Soren Moyer
262 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Okay, I'm struggling to see what has fitness got to do with the inability to make a successful pass! This team, especially the one during the 1st half, was littered with under- or over-hit and misplaced passes!
Andy Crooks
263 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Ian @ 192, you seem to like the 5/1. Fill your boots and enjoy next season.
David White
264 Posted 17/07/2022 at
This tread is now depressing!!

Come on, first preseason game and just read some of the comments on here, you would think we are already relegated! Who gives a shit if we lose this match? We've had many seasons where we looked great pre-season and not carried it forward to the season.

Probably the same people would be on here if we won saying "It's only pre-season". It's like a sport in itself now putting the club down. It's detrimental. By all means constructive criticism is fair and welcome. None of us can say how the season will go yet. Cut them some slack.

After 10 games of the season, we will know what kind of side we have and what sort of season we will be looking at. A pre-season game in the USA in stupid heat with full team changes is no way to judge them.

Come on, guys, we have not got to the end of transfer window yet. A few signings could make a massive difference to our starting 11. Let's be positive, we all know the need for change at boardroom level but, if that happened tomorrow, it would take some time for that to manifest into improving the team.

This will be our team besides hopefully a few additions so let's give them some confidence and backing like the end of last season, not write them off after a stroll of a match that will not have any bearing on the season to come!

Derek Knox
265 Posted 17/07/2022 at
David @266, agree there mate 100% but you know, or should do, what TW is like. I saw some glimmers of hope, and hope, is more-or-less what we have to cling to at present.

The Club has been so badly run, and still is, Boardroom etc, but a few positive changes could make us a serious mid-table team, or one that is hard to beat.

Then, this time next year, Rodney!

Mike Gaynes
266 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Paul #248, I know, and he was, but it was his first real game action after 27 months out through injury. So yeah, I'd say your review is more than a little unfair.

He looked pretty good last night.

David White
267 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Derek, that's the thing, mate, all the doom-mongers know what Frank has inherited. They expect miracles. Well, miracles don't happen. I keep saying it's a 3- to 5-year minimum project to turn this team and club around.

People slating players in pre-season helps no-one. I have views on players that are not good enough long-term: Holgate, Keane, Mina, Gomes, Rondon. Then there are some I'm on the fence with: Davies, Gbamin, Nkounkou.

I'm willing to let Frank decide and let him see who he can improve and develop. The ones who are not good enough, we can't just get rid of them all in one window.

I've said I hope Frank becomes a manager like Harry Redknapp, with a bit more tactical nouse. He's got more from players who were missing under that Spanish waiter. I'm optimistic on the playing front that we will see improving players. It's the Board that needs updating.

I'm not even arsed about all the "Kenwright Out" shite! I don't think he holds much clout. Even if he left, I think Moshiri would still have his ear anyway, it would just be symbolic.

We need a CEO with real experience and knowledge. I've said Moshiri needs to use some of the money he's splurging on players to head-hunt some top CEO. Not sure what a CEO earns but gotta be worth a Tosun or Walcott!

Or we will never have a chance of competing.

Bill Gall
268 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Paul #262,

I guess you must have found a stream that you were looking for, that brought out your usual tirade against Everton.

I am sorry that you never noticed any difference between the team that was put out in the first half and the team that started in the second – except Gordon's hair.

I am not sure what you expected from the same players that finished fighting relegation last season with the club's future on the line, to the players that played in a friendly with nothing at stake.

I guess you must have put a lot of money on Everton being relegated with a positive view of the team.

Bob Skelton
269 Posted 17/07/2022 at
We all know that we seem to be incapable of playing the ball out from the back, as do the opposition; press us high and Holgate, Godfrey and Davies will soon cough it up.

We need to invest in proper footballers in midfield, Eriksen or Zinchenko type who would go looking for the ball from the back and be able to control and move it forward. The problem isn't only the defense – it's the non-footballing midfield who are good at hiding but not good passing.

This group of players were relegation fodder last season and, unless we bolster where required, nothing will change. Please, if we are buying anyone, let it be in areas where we need it!

Paul Birmingham
270 Posted 17/07/2022 at
For me, it was a preseason friendly and let's hope the fitness, awareness and belief will start flowing in this squad in the next 3 weeks in time for Chelsea.

Some positives from the younsgsters but old bad habits in defence linger on. But there's hope for the new season and I'm sure Chelsea will be staying well away from Liverpool for when we play them.

The Goodison Park, 12th man will have a significant role this season, and the squad can grow and learn from last season.

Arsenal aren't great and Everton gave them too much respect at times and paid for sloppy mistakes.

Lessons finally learned hopefully in time for the new season.

Bernie Quinn
271 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I am disappointed at all the negative posts on this thread. I have already said the result didn't matter – it was more of Frank studying the players in his squad.

Remember that it was our first game pre-season with 2 halves of jumbled-up teams. That was Arsenal's 3rd game, so Arteta would already have some idea of his format.

The game may have been poor to watch from our point of view, but surely that was to be expected. Please guys, give Frank a chance – he needs to see the youngsters in action as well as the more experienced players.

Kieran Kinsella
272 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Bernie Quinn out!!!

Just kidding, mate – hope you're feeling better!

Michael Kenrick
273 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Hey Brent @245,

I recall seeing Isaac Price as one of the 32 on the US Tour Bus, so hopefully they are including him in senior training.

Perhaps he'll get a showing in Minneapolis on Wednesday?

Bernie Quinn
274 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Kieran at 274 - Thanks Mate - like I needed that! But I suppose I had it coming. My fingers are crossed re health but I'm still wary of the Grim Reaper arriving.

But re the game – I can understand how you all must feel, but Frank has to look at the potential of what he's got. After all, he only inherited most of them and he cannot dispose of the ones he doesn't want.

Brent Stephens
275 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Michael #274,

Thanks for the update on Isaac Price. Hope he gets decent game time over there and does well.

Matthew Williams
276 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Okay, it was a pre-season friendly but reading the match report was just a rehash from 90% of the match reports from last season.

I'm tired now of reading about our play being slow and sloppy and with a general lack of goal threat.

Things at our club need to change – real fucking fast – or we'll just sink further and further in the mire, I'm afraid.

Bernie Quinn
277 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Looking at the players we have I feel quite cheerful.
First Team'
Patterson- Tarkowski- Mina- Mykolenko;
Iwobi- Decouri- Townsend;
Gordon- DCL - Grey.

Coleman- Holgate- Keane- Godfrey;Allan - Davies - Deli;
Warrington- Dobbin- Emms.

I know I've missed some out and others in wrong positions (I don't claim to be a Manager!) but there MUST be a respectable team from those listed. It's up to Frank and his back-room to build a Premier Team. There are enough International capped players there - plus all the others I have missed out. I can even see a trophy this season!

Alex Gray
278 Posted 17/07/2022 at

There's only one central midfielder in that list mate. We'd get overrun all day and have nobody to actually pass the ball which was our issue last season.

Plus all our wingers have very little impact. Gray is hit or miss, Townsend will be slower after his long injury, and Gordon – whilst being direct and powerful – needs to add goals and assists to his game.

If Tarkowski gets injured, it's the same team as last season – without Richarlison – which is terrifying.

Bernie Quinn
279 Posted 17/07/2022 at

I accept that my teams are not perfect by any means, and I also accept that we do need new players fast. What I am trying to say is that with the players listed, plus those I missed out (injuries, loans etc) we don't need to panic.

I would be the first to say I don't like Holgate and Keane, for instance – but they have been known to play some decent games.

Just keep smiling and read Danny O'Neill!

Paul Kossoff
280 Posted 17/07/2022 at

The youngsters made a difference in the second half? What difference?

Whoever you àre talking about made no difference whatsoever! The whole team were bang average, the only person who tried was Iwobi, and he just ran around like a headless chicken.

No-one in that team will do sod all for us this coming season, and if we think Gordon dying his hair blonde passes him off anywhere near a replacement for Richarlison, then God help us! He looked out of his depth and was clueless – as was the rest of the team.

If that lot manages to not get relegated, then it will be a major miracle.

Raymond Fox
281 Posted 17/07/2022 at
You have to chuckle, the usual depressives come on with messages of doom every time we play.

They would find something to moan about, if by some miracle we won 10-0!!!.

Bernie Quinn
282 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Raymond @ 281.

If I thought the moans here were bad, they are actually quite mild after my listening to the radio here in New Zealand! All morning, the air has been hot with people making threats against the All-Blacks being thrashed by Ireland. Being half-Irish and disliking Rugby, I'm loving it!!

Paul Birmingham
283 Posted 18/07/2022 at
It's a pre-season friendly!

For fuck's sake, take this game and result with a big pinch of smelling salts and take stock. Everton is a massive work in progress in all aspects.

Last night's game was a pre-season friendly, but Everton will learn their lessons under Frank Lampard.

But for some, don't write off this season before it's started. < Every day is a good day, it's what you make of it. This season will be a slog, but Everton will prevail, and get in boxing terms, spar and fight easier this season.

Bernie Quinn
284 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Well put, Paul!!!
Neil Copeland
285 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Terry #191, cheers mate!

Mike #8, hopefully we will meet at Goodison one day.

The game was like a home game for Arsenal, their support outnumbered us by some distance. It didn't stop the Blues making plenty of noise and great to hear various EFC tunes including Grand Old Team and Spirit of the Blues ringing out followed by Z-Cars as the team came out.

I found the whole experience really enjoyable although a bit surreal. Nice stadium although I was pleased that the threatened thunderstorm held off, would have been drenched with no roof! Very friendly atmosphere which was a credit to both sets of supporters and the locals.

As for the game, we were poor in the first half, better in the second but really didn't create much of note. Positives I thought were:

Tarkowski (wing nut 1) who brought much-needed discipline and aggression to the defence. Good to see him backing up young Mills against Pepe who was being a dick. The challenge resulting in a yellow card shortly after was a bit OTT though and reminiscent of the one on Richarlison at the start of last season.

Mills (wing nut 2) did well overall although I am not sure he is ready for the Premier League yet. Looked more solid defensively than Patterson though.

Warrington played well in general and the midfield looked better in the second half with him there. Would be good to see him and Doucoure together.

Iwobi put in a lot of effort but ran into dead alleys mainly because of the lack of movement ahead of him.

Gordon as always not afraid to run with the ball, overdoes it but never stops trying to make things happen. Still needs to improve on corners and free-kicks or find someone else to take them.

Doucoure was okay but still passes back when there are other options. No lack of effort although more quality needed.

Patterson was good in the ball at times but pretty awful at times too. I don't think he has played much at all since his injury so happy to give him a break.

It is worth remembering that these games are all about trying different tactics and formations plus getting the players to full match fitness. If we are to persist with the passing out from the back and three at the back, we need to stiffen up the midfield before the start of the season.

I would like to see Tarkowski alongside Mina and a midfield of Warrington, Doucoure and Iwobi for the next one with Gordon, Gray and Calvert-Lewin upfront.

Met some great Blues last night after the game and a few decent Arsenal supporters before it. Overall it was great to come out here and watch the Blues and I can't wait to meet Kieran and Jonathan at the game against Minnesota Utd.

Neil Copeland
286 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Edit; pretty seagulls - pretty awful (predictive text)
Neil Copeland
287 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Paul, spot on, the results in these games don't matter.

Lots needs improvement and we need at least 2/3 players before the start of the season. However, there are some decent younger players that, given time, could turn out very well.

I am hoping that Simms and Dobbin are given a run-out and it would be good to see Price too.

The formation that Frank chooses to play will be a big factor. It would be good to see us playing decent football; however, I am not convinced we have the players to to do it yet. Frank is the manager though and I trust him to deliver.


Bobby Mallon
288 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Neil Copeland 287. I just hope Frank realises that we have a team of players that can only play a certain way. What I'm scared of is he will change the formation and playing style every game.

What we need is a settled team that plays most weeks consisting of a mix of old and new. Holgate (IMO) should be nowhere near the team and should be sold. I also don't think Frank has the pulling power people think he has.

Bobby Mallon
289 Posted 18/07/2022 at
We also have 19 days before we kick the season off against Chelsea, 19 days we should not be tinkering on this pre-season tour.

Frank should know his team by now. I guarantee you it will be:

Pickford, Coleman (if fit), Keane, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gordon, Godfrey, Allan, Doucouré, Gray, Calvert-Lewin in a 3-5-2 formation.

Tom Bowers
290 Posted 18/07/2022 at
We are all hoping that something or someone emerges that will change the
mindset of this team.

The same problems of last season are still so evident.

Yes we can say it was only a pre-season game with lot's of changes at half time etc. but before that with an experienced starting eleven they showed all the same frailties.

Discipline in defence was negligible on Saturday even when they had many men behind the ball relying on last ditch tackles to stave off a cricket score. So many players are just not up to snuff, scary to say the least.

I hope Lampard has something up his sleeve to bring our smiles back and not the thought of avoiding relegation again.

Just where are the goals coming from ??

Steavey Buckley
291 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Everton will kick off next season with the same problem as last season – not having a 'cutting edge' ... made worse by the transfer of Richarlison. So, Everton next season will be in the bottom half of the table looking over their shoulders at the relegation zone.

The worst part, there is no easy solution in dealing with an Everton squad that is short of top-quality players with so many who are just 'average'.

Lee Robinson
292 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Andrew @234 Spot on on all points, couldn't agree more. I really worry about Godfrey, people tend to think he will develop into this great defender, I'm sorry he really won't. A large percentage of goals conceded last year in my opinion where due to his poor positioning, being out jumped over and over again and if we are going to start playing out from the back, he doesn't have it in him. He stops stands still, goes blank, plays a ball to his centre half partner or rolls it back to Pickford where we started. A signing by Brands alone who should have been scouting much better options.

As for the game I was very pleased with the second half, Warrington and Iwobi especially. I think Frank might just throw Warrington straight into that side going forward, I don't think he fancies Gomes or Allan for what he's trying to achieve. I actually thought Tom had some nice touches and was better than most, Doucoure as people have said was excellent.

My final point is on DCL, a typical performance from him. He struggles to create anything by himself and totally relies on the side around him for chances on a plate. The ball at his feet with space to run he is found out and doesn't dominate centre backs enough for me. Personally I would cash in for as much as possible and use to further strengthen/re-build other areas.

Andrew Ellams
293 Posted 18/07/2022 at
It's alright with the 'only a friendly' stuff but we've only got 3 left against Minnesota Utd, Blackpool and Dynamo Kiev before it all kicks off for real. That's not a lot of ideal preparation.
James Marshall
294 Posted 18/07/2022 at
I'll have a tenner on us being useless when the season starts.

And another tenner on us being useless at the end as well.

Derek Knox
295 Posted 18/07/2022 at
James @ 294, if we win all the games in between, I would not only settle for that, but start to believe in the Tooth Fairy and Flying Pigs again ! :-)
Neil Copeland
296 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Bobby 288, I am also concerned that Frank may try switching formations to suit the opponent when we don’t or will not have the players to support that approach.

Not sure if the lack of transfers has much to do with his pulling power. More likely to be the financial situation IMO.

I will be surprised if Iwobi is not in his team based on the current squad. It looks like we could struggle at right back/wing back if Seamus isn’t fit. Patterson has plenty of potential as does Mills (granted that assessment is only based on 45 mins played) but not sure either is ready yet.

Hopefully the games against Minnesota and Blackpool will reveal more.

Neil Copeland
297 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Derek, I already do, are you telling me they aren’t real?
Brian Wilkinson
300 Posted 18/07/2022 at
I have to agree with a poster on here too far up to scroll up for name but they hit the nail on the head, a lot who are saying how bad the game was, out thought etc, would be the same people who would say it’s only a friendly had we played well and won and told not to get carried away.

We all know we need some signings, however all through the season, people have be calling out to give the youngsters a chance, now is the ideal time to try these out, we have done that, some have looked impressive, but now still not good enough for some.

These players we are lacking, could actually be there among the squad, let’s have a damn good look, give them pre season game time, let’s not forget Anthony Gordon only got bits of game time at the start, until it became impossible for the Manager to drop him from the match Day squad.

We need the midfield strengthening and another attacker, we can only wait and see who we can bring in, but for the time being, let’s have a damn good look at some of the youngsters over the summer friendlies.

Patience is a virtue, let’s hope we get the right players in for the right price, and not just for the sake of filling the holes, in the meantime, we go with what we have.

Lee Courtliff
301 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Well said, Brian. There's every possibility that a Warrington/Mills/etc could well turn out to be useful players this season.

But we'll never know until we actually play them. Much rather that than rush into yet another haphazard transfer that sets us back millions.

Brian Wilkinson
302 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Spot on Lee, other clubs are ready to rip our kecks down, force us to panic buy and pay over the odds, Gibbs- White being the first example.

Let’s see if we can unveil another gem from our u23,s, they are the guys who will put a shift in, will give 100%, not like some over paid duffers we paid out for in the past, who were happy to just pick a wage up each week.

Whatever players we do bring in, has to be for the benifit of making our team stronger, not just to fill the gaps.

One player we all know who would do the very job is Conor Gallagher, that is a player Everton should be pulling all the stops out to sign, should be our number one target, even at worst if it’s a loan.

Mike Gaynes
303 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Brian #302, I think it's time to forget about Gallagher. He was brilliant yesterday in Chelsea's win over the Mexican champions Club America in Las Vegas. Afterwards Tuchel used phrases like “He can be a big asset for us.”

He's going nowhere.

Brian Wilkinson
304 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Never seen it Mike, forgot about the Chelsea game, oh well looks like we can forget Gallagher then.
Ray Smith
306 Posted 18/07/2022 at
1 free in, linked with all and sundry, but nothing happening.

New DoF hands tied by Kenwright.
Last minute acquisitions as usual on last day window!!!

I thought the Richarlison transfer would be the catalyst to get things moving.

Another DoF, but Kenwright in charge again!
Until Kenwright goes nothing will change.
Top half at best. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

Andrew McLawrence
308 Posted 18/07/2022 at
I'm reminded of the old Billy Connolly joke that he thought his local team were called Partick Thistle Nil. Could be our mantra for the season ahead.
Ray Smith
309 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Can Thelwell work with BK?
Or does BK work with T and step aside?

BK has seen off Walsh and Brands?
They may not have been up to the job, but whose still there? BK, enough said!

We will never move forward with BK involved in transfers and sales

Ian Riley
310 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Those who say "it's only a friendly". Who cares?

I do.

Why? We have no form, we have 90% of the team from last season. Last season, we nearly got the open-top bus out to celebrate staying up. Winning and playing well go hand in hand. We have neither. Arsenal could have scored 5 but at 2 were comfortable and knew it! Form from last season with additional quality and there you go.

Are we going to win a friendly? The squad needed additions 3 weeks ago to train and be ready to play. Wait for it? – 3 weeks into the season bottom 3, quick do something? Buy anyone, quick, over-priced, 5-year contract! Job done!

Play the youngsters till when? Till the confidence drains from them. Remember, we have no form? You need quality with a winning mentality.

Change is needed and quickly. Youngsters thrive when the team is playing well – not struggling. Surely Frank must be concerned? If 3 signings are not made then we as a club have put Frank in a position to fail.

Preparation is key and let's pray for next season! Going to need his help again me thinks!

Lee Howard
312 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Just a quick question, why have we only played one pre-season game and Man Utd have played 3?

Does anyone have the schedule?

Mike Gaynes
313 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Lee, we're just too scary.
Neil Copeland
314 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Mike 313, if only

Lee 312, we play Minnesota Utd tomorrow followed by Blackpool away on Sunday and Dynamo Kiev on Friday 29th.

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