Everton vs Southampton

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Alex Iwobi could be a surprise addition to the starting XI after it emerged that his injury was far less serious than first feared

Everton play what is another massive Premier League game against a team struggling with them at the bottom of the table as Southampton make the trip to Merseyside from the south coast.

Saints come into the game sitting in last place, three points behind the Toffees on a weekend when the bottom four teams are playing each other as 19th-place Wolves host 17th-place West Ham.

The clash at Goodison Park will play out amid rising angst amongst Evertonians towards a hierarchy that an increasing number feel have failed them. A sit-in protest designed to send a clear message to Farhad Moshiri that suppporters want urgent change at the top of the club is planned for after the match but a coach welcome before kick-off should signal the extent to which fans are willing to back Frank Lampard and his team during the 90 minutes.

Everton are the only team in the top six divisions of English football not to have won a game in any competition since October, a sobering statistic that explains the club's steady drift into the relegation zone since that win over Crystal Palace after which they sat in the relative comfort of 12th.

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With two damaging home defeats since the Premier League resumed after the World Cup, Lampard is under heavy pressure to get 3 points against Southampton regardless of Moshiri's public backing for his manager in midweek.

Alex Iwobi could be a surprise inclusion in Saturday's matchday squad after Lampard said the midfielder will undergo a late assessment on his injured ankle.

Iwobi was carried off the pitch at Old Trafford on a stretcher last Friday after awkwardly rolling his ankle in a tackle from Tyrell Malacia and the diagnosis following scans at Finch Farm was that he would be out for three weeks.

“It’s a lesser injury than what we thought so we’ll see if he’s ready to play in the morning,” Lampard said during his press conference on Friday ahead of what is a massive game against another side struggling at the bottom of the Premier League.

As a key member of the side and the Blues' most creative outlet, Lampard could ill afford to lose Iwobi, particularly as incoming transfers have been slow in arriving this month.

Iwobi is Everton's chief chance creator and one of their hardest-working players but Abdoulaye Doucouré is on standby to deputise having performed well as the Nigerian international's replacement in the cup defeat to Manchester United.

Elsewhere in the side, Dominic Calvert-Lewin is fit to start again after the decision was taken not to push him too hard by naming him in the line-up to face United and the striker is expected to come into the side at the expense of Neal Maupay.

Anthony Gordon, meanwhile, is over his recent illness and will be pushing to start, perhaps in place of Dwight McNeil, who struggled in the defeat to Brighton, if Lampard opts for 4-4-3. Nathan Patterson, James Garner and Andros Townsend are still sidelined, although the latter two could both be back in action next month.

The eventual line-up will depend, though, on what formation Lampard elects to employ. He abandoned the 5-3-2 system he had used to such good effect at the Etihad on New Year's Eve, where his charges ground out an important 1-1 draw, for the visit of the Seagulls and Everton were torn apart.

The five-man back line was back at Old Trafford in the Cup in what was an improved display but Lampard may feel that reverting to a back four against the Premier League's bottom club is both more in keeping with his preferred way of playing but would also give his team the best chance of success.

On the other hand, the criticism he has received for changing what worked at City could yet see him err on the side of caution, at least initially in the match.

For their part, Southampton will travel in an upbeat mood having won back-to-back cup ties under new manager, Nathan Jones. They beat Manchester City in the last eight of the League Cup on Wednesday evening to add to a 2-1 win at Crystal Palace in the FA Cup last weekend and they will be confident of adding to Everton's woes in the way their coastal neighbours Brighton did 10 days ago.

Jones will be without defender Armel Bella-Kotchap but will have former Blue, Theo Walcott available and new signing Carlos Alcaraz is expected to feature following his £12m move from Racing in Argentina this week.

For Everton, the onus will be on them to set the tempo, engage the fans with an intense performance and demonstrate the quality that they do possess even if they haven't shown it for a good many weeks.

A win would go an awfully long way to lifting the mood – not to mention the Blues' position in the table – ahead of another crucial game against the Hammers next weekend.

As a side but poignant note, a photograph of Natalie McNally, an Everton supporter who was murdered in Lurgan in Ireland on 18th December, will appear on the big screens inside the ground at the game in her memory.

Kick-off: 3pm, Saturday, 14 January 2023
Referee: John Brooks
VAR: Lee Mason
Last Time: Everton 3 - 1 Southampton 

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Godfrey, Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gueye, Onana, Doucouré, Gray, Calvert-Lewin 



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Darren Hind
1 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:00:32
Kin'ell!!! I thought he was dead at the very least last week.

Very welcome news.

His energy will be vital as we try to galvanize the troops for a second-half-of-the-season recovery.

Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:04:34
I was looking forward to seeing Everton without Iwobi.
Dave Williams
3 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:04:50
Great news! By far our most dynamic and creative player- fingers crossed!!
Roger Helm
4 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:10:11
He has produced as many assists as the rest of the squad put together so good news he may play.

He needs to score more himself.

Tony McNulty
5 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:13:37
Tempus fugit on the transfer front.

All that matters for this season is Premier League survival. Next season will take care of itself.

Our strike force is woefully inadequate. If there were any chance at all he could be available on loan, I would try for Lukaku. He knows us; he's proven; he knows where the net is; and we wouldn't go down with him in the middle.

Given the money that has been splurged, whatever he would cost is a comparative drop in the ocean.

Steve Brown
6 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:13:49
He has contributed 1 goal and 5 assists in the league in a team that has scored 14 league goals all season.

We badly need him back. I would play him upfield closer to Calvert-Lewin and put an additional midfielder in.

Michael Pennington
7 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:30:37
Need him back fully fit though.
Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:35:37
Tony @2,

I think he has been very poor since the World Cup and made things chaotic with his failure to tackle and giving the ball away so easily.

But, nonetheless, he is basically the only creative outlet we have other than Gray's occasional wonder strikes.

Colin Glassar
9 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:41:41
Pete Clarke
10 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:47:19
When Gueye is in the team, it should allow Iwobi to roam free and express himself but all I see is a player utilizing all of his energy in a defensive way.

He definitely needs to be told to attack and be positive because somewhere deep down there is a good player there.

I may have heard these words before with many a player we've had. Bruce Rioch and Trevor Ross spring to mind.

Darren Hind
11 Posted 13/01/2023 at 15:49:08
You need to curb that enthusiasm, Col.
Mark Ryan
12 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:13:22
I saw Frank's presser on YouTube. Again, he spoke well. Seems to get it. Gives me confidence he can dig us out.

Clearly not a lot going on transfer-wise but it's what he doesn't say that gives me hope. I expect one or two in and one or two out.

I'm giving him the benefit at the moment!

Joseph Terrence
13 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:13:36
I know it's a massive game and that Frank's job is likely on the line, but I don't like the idea of risking Iwobi, certainly not from the start of the match.

Hopefully this is just a ploy to throw a wrench into Southampton's preparation.

Olalekan Taofik
14 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:14:47
Great news of Iwobi near availability against Southampton.
It seems he came back from the dead. African players are quite strong!!

I agree, Iwobi needs to play a free role in our team, just like his uncle (Jay Jay Okocha) did with Bolton back then.

I hope we can survive this big hurdle… we can and we shall!

Eddie Dunn
15 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:16:42
I honestly thought he was making a meal of the injury at the time. He should have got up and carried-on with a bit of sticky tape round his ankle.

Anyway, despite his form having dipped, he remains one of our few players who is brave enough to pass forwards.

I watched Lampard's presser this afternoon and was quite surprised at how upbeat he seemed, laughing and joking and he had got a little present for Alistair McGowan (BBC).

I wonder if we might hear of a couple of good transfers very soon?

Andrew Bentley
16 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:30:35
I thought him being out would be a good thing as it will force a rethink in terms of shape/personnel. The midfielders were always being picked regardless of their form.

I also think it's indicative of how far we have fallen and how low our expectations are now when I read this thread and how excited people are that he is back.

Yes, these last 12 months he's been a lot better, but in terms of output and goals or chances created, it isn't that many folks – we really need to up our expectations.

As per some of the comments above, after the World Cup break, he has been poor. Yes, energetic and runs around a lot… but effective – no.

Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:33:54
I didn't think Iwobi was having a bad game at Old Trafford before he got injured, Kieran, but it doesn't take a scientist to know that Everton's players are very short of confidence and Iwobi is for me the biggest indicator of this. He had a bit of good form earlier in the season, but he's now back to being like a cat on a hot tin roof whenever he receives the ball.

My only real problem concerning Iwobi is that, too often, he breaks rank, chasing the ball with his boundless energy, but then never really puts a tackle in. I think this then exposes the rest of the team, who are not really set up to press because of our defenders playing very deep?

A team caught between two stools? Maybe it's not really Iwobi's fault.

Danny O’Neill
18 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:38:09
Eddie, I came up from the concourse late as usual after half time. The guy I was stood next to told me it was 2 - 1 and Iwobi had been stretchered off. Great start to the 2nd half.

I hope he's fit but I hope he isn't rushed back in desperation.

Where we are now he is probably only creative player we have. Maybe Anthony if he can find his form and mojo. Demarai Gray on his day is a threat.

The problem is what do they have to aim for?

Step forward Dominic. Take the mantle.

Colin Glassar
19 Posted 13/01/2023 at 16:49:09
I’m trying to contain myself, Darren.
Geoff Lambert
20 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:02:32
Two weeks in to the window and no incomings, We know what we need they must know what we need but now going in to a couple of must win games that are critical to our survival with no striker or creative midfield players. Six poins could be down the drain and we might be following before to long.
Sean Roe
21 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:07:59
I'd be happier if the title was '' Ward-Prowse won't feature against Everton''

With us being camped in our own half for 90% of most games, the last thing we need is our players making fouls anywhere within 35 yards of our goal.

Tony Everan
22 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:14:36
Tony 17, Interesting delving into Iwobi’s game. It infuriates me because there is definitely a player there. He’s robust, got a great engine and is forward thinking and is creative.

Sometimes I think he is trying so hard to impress and produce the goods his efforts are fantastic but are unfocused. You could say that the manager and his coaches should be all over this and try to bottle his energy and drive. They need to instil some positional discipline into him. Get into his head about the role he needs to play and the zones that are his responsibility.

Maybe they have though and it’s a bit hard to get through to him - once the game starts it’s all the instructions and midweek work are forgotten.

Peter Carpenter
23 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:45:03
Eddie (15), perhaps he knows he's leaving.
Michael Boardman
24 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:51:33
Sean 21, I'd be happier if the title was "BK steps down as EFC chairman after falling down a toilet".
Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 13/01/2023 at 17:52:48
Maybe Tony, and trying to be fair to Iwobi, he hasn’t got many players to play with, when talking about him in a true football sense?

He went from looking abject and awful, into somebody who you began to realize had come through at Wenger’s, Arsenal, but this Everton team, don’t really pass and move, and probably play less than 5 give and goes between them every week.

We simply need to start playing as a team.

Anthony Hawkins
26 Posted 13/01/2023 at 18:35:51
I get the pressure to win but hope Frank and team aren't putting players well being at risk to do it?
Danny O’Neill
27 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:04:17
How have they still got me hooked at the age of 51? I can't help myself.
Frank Fearns
28 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:34:18
Danny O. Believe me it gets worse. You've got 16 years to catch up with me. Hook, line and sinker!!!! You'll be wrecked. Warn Mrs O!
Brian Harrison
29 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:37:04
Reading what happened at Lampard's press conference was interesting to say the least. He said teams in and around us were improving their squads and reiterated that the club is also trying to bring players in, but I get the feeling that there isn't much spare money and we are looking to bring in forwards who usually cost the most. I wonder does Lampard regret spending £33 million on Onana, £18 million on McNeil and £11 on Maupay, might some of that have been better spent on a couple of goal scoring forwards. Makes taking Vinagre on loan and not playing him beg the question who decided to bring him in on loan. Bit like the El Ghazi signing another loan deal that never got a kick.

Lampard mentioned some weeks back that he needed more striking power, and said that we would be looking to strengthen in that area, and I thought that during the 6 weeks the season was suspended because of the World Cup, that Lampard and Thelwell would be talking to potential targets and have a couple of deals sorted and ready to go on day 1 of the window being open. But we are nearly halfway through the window and still no sign of any new arrivals. Could it be that Moshiri is reluctant to let Lampard spend any more money in case it all goes pear shaped and he might need to weld the axe again.

Phil Bickerstaff
30 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:41:54
Please no, we were so much better with the duke when off. Does fuck all for the team
Eddie Dunn
31 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:51:56
Brian - surely the Oz adventure was adumb thing to do at the time, if there was serious issues to be ironed-out regarding transfer targets and alternatives. It all just makes me wonder how many of our last window (summer) targets were first choice?
Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 13/01/2023 at 19:58:11

"Could it be that Moshiri is reluctant to let Lampard spend any more money in case it all goes pear shaped and he might need to weld the axe again."

I think that could be a factor, as could fear of a larger bill with possible relegation. But it could also be there is no money to spend. Brian Williams posted on here last week he'd heard we have to sell to buy.

Jerome Shields
33 Posted 13/01/2023 at 20:10:53
If Frank plays him on the right and doesn't give him backing his Wandering Angus Role it will be the Iowbi of old.Glad he is back, but hope he has not been rushed back.
Stu Darlington
34 Posted 13/01/2023 at 20:11:46
Good news providing they play him in the right position,he doesn’t give the ball away every time he gets it and he learns how to have a positive impact on the game.
Alec Gaston
35 Posted 13/01/2023 at 20:22:44
Lampard seemed more relaxed today - wish he would talk about climbing the table rather than staying in the league - I know it’s the same thing but the message is more positive and from what he said the players read and listen to everything - anyway time to mentally prepare for tomorrow 😳
Andrew Bentley
36 Posted 13/01/2023 at 20:24:43
@Kieran 32 - “But it could also be there is no money to spend. Brian Williams posted on here last week he'd heard we have to sell to buy.”

I can’t believe that fans still think we have money. It’s clear we don’t. FFP rules, ridiculous wage costs vs income, stadium investment, oh and the killer - our Sugar Daddy Usmanov being sanctioned. Look at our spending since the start of last season - it’s minimal. We had to sell Richarlison in June to ensure FFP didn’t hit us.

Wake up and smell the coffee blues. We are broke and that’s just another in a long line of issues

Bill Gall
37 Posted 13/01/2023 at 21:14:25
If we had money to buy why is it 2 weeks into the transfer window with no actual movement of any player in or out. The Manager and the DOF are fully aware of the positions we need and should have been solved at the start of the window, I realise you cant sign a player before the window but from what I have read other teams had been negotiating prior to the window opening and have signed players by now.
Tony Abrahams
38 Posted 13/01/2023 at 21:53:46
Andrew @36, I read somewhere that we are actually 12th in the league, in terms of net spend, over the last five seasons, so it’s obvious the total mismanagement has come from above?

Kenwright and Moyes, produced a plucky little Everton team, that were renowned for punching above their weight, even though they usually came around what you would expect for a club that usually had around the 7/8th highest wage bill, and if it’s true that Everton’s net spend is around £160 million over the last five seasons, then it’s not the the operations we have been doing in the transfer market, that have killed our finances?

I expect Everton will be sold sooner, rather than later, but maybe I’m just an eternal optimist?

Tony Everan
39 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:06:47
Apologies in advance for the diversion, but Jerome's reference has me reading the poem. It's a special one so I'm printing it here so that you can have an unexpected treat.

Song of the Wandering Aengus (William Butler Yates 1899)

I went out to the hazel wood,
Because a fire was in my head,
And cut and peeled a hazel wand,
And hooked a berry to a thread;

And when white moths were on the wing,
And moth-like stars were flickering out,
I dropped the berry in a stream
And caught a little silver trout.

When I had laid it on the floor
I went to blow the fire a-flame,
But something rustled on the floor,
And someone called me by my name:

It had become a glimmering girl,
With apple blossom in her hair,
Who called me by my name and ran,
and faded through the brightening air.

Though I am old with wandering
Through hollow lands and hilly lands,
I will find out where she has gone,
And kiss her lips and take her hands;

And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done,
The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun.

Mike Price
40 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:15:09
Iwobi is average at best, he's played slightly better than he used to, but he's being compared to terrible footballers. No other team is remotely interested in signing him yet we feel the need to give him a massively improved contract.

It's the clearest future deadwood situation you could ever see. Whoever sanctions this sort of deal is the root of all evil at this football club.

Neil Tyrrell
41 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:15:46
Tony @39,

If you're a Waterboys fan or music fan in general, they did an entire album of WB poems set to music and Wandering Aengus was particularly good


Neil Lawson
42 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:17:49
Stu 34. I am in the camp that believes a team without Iwobi ( at least in the short term) may actually be more competitive and effective, particularly if his replacement plays closer to DCL. So, good news that his injury is not severe, bad news that it may not even keep him out of one game and he can return to recent habits and run around in pretty circles and avoid tackling anyone.
Michael Kenrick
43 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:17:50
Oh my Gawd now it's Poetry Corner on here!

But let me guess, Tony — your account's been hacked!

Mike Price
44 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:18:11
Btw, I’ve got a few Arsenal friends and they delight in the fact that they actually got paid a fee for him. It’s apparently their revenge for Francis Jeffers!
Stuart Sharp
45 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:18:38
Tony 39
That's quite some diversion for someone who was just complaining on another thread about discussing things which are unrelated to ToffeeWeb...
But a very cultured one.
Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:22:29
Mike 44,

Revenge? They're over doing it a bit. They already stole Arteta for pennies.

Ian Edwards
47 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:23:48
Brian 29. It makes no odds which forward we sign. Under Lampardball they will be isolated with no service.
Brendan McLaughlin
48 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:25:05
Tony #39

Channelling my pedantic Danny O'...it is "W.B. Yeats"

An extraordinary poet.

(Perhaps you account was hacked?)

Tony Everan
49 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:35:08
Brendan, the edit button had disappeared when I noticed the error. It’s like the painstakingly sculptured memorial bench on the news this morning to one of our greatest scientists, engraved ‘Issac Newton ‘.
Andy Crooks
50 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:37:34
Not only that, Ian, if we even do sign a forward, we will not be getting someone talented enough to play a lone role. I don't understand why the notion of playing two up front( DCL and Maupay?) is thought by many to be outdated and ludicrous.
We simply don't attack as a unit and we are getting no defensive reward as a result.
A draw tomorrow is the worst outcome in some awful ways.
Andrew Bentley
51 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:42:11
Tony @38 - that’s just net spend on transfers. That’s part of the story for us and apart from the last 2 years the prior Moshiri years put our net spend much higher in the list.

This is the issue, our financial losses for the past 3 years: https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/29/everton-lose-more-than-100m-for-third-successive-year-but-avoid-sanctions

Transfer spend, wage bill, manager payoffs, poor monetisation all accrue to the situation we find ourselves in. Usmanov and the commercial deals where his money was being laundered through the club and propping up some of our prior spending have all gone now.

We either need loans, free agents, or signings on the drip. That’s why we take an age to sign anyone as we can’t afford to structure deals that mean the buying club accept quickly.

Tony Abrahams
52 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:44:18
Moyes 4-5-1. Martinez 4-2-2-1. Koeman I can’t remember but he never played with two forwards? Allardyce 4-5-1, or did he sometimes play 4-4-2? Silva 4-5-1. Ancellotti eleven away victories playing 4-5-1, and a lot home home defeats playing 4-4-2. Benitez 4-5-1 I think. Lampard 4-3-3. This is a quick rundown on the Everton’s managers, and the formation’s they have mostly used during the last twenty years, of what has been mostly, very, very, very, boring football.

Ian Edwards
53 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:45:57
Tony 52. Moyes never played 4-5-1 away. It was always 5-5-0.!!!
Tom Bowers
54 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:48:10
Without the big improvement all round from what we have experienced over the last half a dozen games I cannot see anything from the Soton game even if they are bottom.

Everton have been the least effective team in the Prem. for quite a while and many teams must be licking their lips at the prospect of playing them.

It is a sad state of affairs watching them struggle and one can only pray that a turnaround happens soon.

Luckily Leeds lost today and there is the chance that West Ham and Bournemouth could lose also but that won't mean diddly if Everton lose again.

Soton did well against a City side that didn't really seem interested in the Mickey Mouse cup but they still look a confident bunch which will be sure to test this lukewarm Everton squad..


Ernie Baywood
55 Posted 13/01/2023 at 22:59:48
Iwobi has probably been our most consistent outfield player this year. He works his socks off in every game.

But if he plays in midfield then that typically means we're going to try to play some kind of joined up football that we're no good at.

I'd still prefer us to find a playing identity that fits the players we have. That's either backs to the wall and hit on the break through Gray, Gordon, DCL. Or its two up front with pace on the wings and go for pressure. Neither need anything more than a functional holding midfield that is hard to beat, wins the ball and lets others play the football.

Iwobi is between two stools for us. Not good enough to set us up to play football. Not responsible enough to play in a different style.

I'd consider him at right wing back or as a replacement winger if we go backs to the wall but nothing more.

He's emblomatic of the level of player we've brought to the club. Very, very average. Regardless of whether I actually like his endeavour and character.

Stuart Sharp
56 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:04:45
I'm not against playing 2 up front in some matches, or parts of matches, but the main worry is the impact it would have on our less than brilliant midfield. I'm curious to see how much better Maupay might look alongside DCL, but in most fixtures we're against better teams with better players, and I think being difficult to beat is priority until we sign someone with genuine creativity or attacking threat. I'll worry about the quality of the football if and when we're safe.
Alan Johnson
57 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:06:09
Can't fathom the "love in" with Iwobi. He runs and runs like a headless chicken but, rarely tackles, pulls out of 50/50s can't score goals. This leaves me confused about what we want. Mediocrity???
Gary Johnson
58 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:17:14
Anyone who thinks a new manager won’t make a difference should watch Villa.
Gary Johnson
59 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:21:52
My pick:

Mina Coady Tarkowski
Iwobi Onana Gana Price McNeil
DCL Simms

Grey Franks

Coleman Coady tarkowski Mykolenko
Onana Gana Doucoure
Gordon DCL Gray

…..0-2, Franks last game. Too little, too late.

Mike Morgan
60 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:36:15
Mike Morgan
61 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:41:33
Given, the position we are in I think Doucouré would make our midfield more solid. Iwobi would be better used as a No10 in a 4411 or on the wing. Although it's where historically he was poor he has to be a better bet than Gordon who seems to have completely lost it.
Tony Abrahams
62 Posted 13/01/2023 at 23:49:58
I think you can get overrun in the modern game playing 4-4-2, but there have been many times when I’ve seen Everton under the cosh and getting battered, just kick the ball anywhere, and waited for it to come right back, and I’ve thought to myself, why don’t we just leave two up front and the other nine men behind the ball? And when we kick it anywhere, it probably won’t come straight back.
Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 14/01/2023 at 00:07:10
I'm really hoping for a good win tomorrow. It's been a miserable start to the year for Evertonians on and off the pitch.

A rousing welcome, a solid win, then Bill and Denise getting the guitars out and singing Kumbaya to the crowd as they unveil Warren Buffet as the new owner and reveal we've bought Bayern Munich as our feeder club.

Jerome Shields
64 Posted 14/01/2023 at 00:29:06
Tony #39,

Thank you very much for posting WB Yeats wonderful poem, really enjoyed reading it after years, though my reference was more a figure of speech, probably stored in distance recesses I had forgotten.

But I think Yeats's poem below may be even appreciated by Michael in Everton's present situation.

The Second Coming, by W B Yeats.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it.
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Thank you very much again, Tony.

Brendan McLaughlin
65 Posted 14/01/2023 at 00:40:34
W B Yeats... Jerome #64

When I'm challenged to defend my support of Everton I'm always drawn to this:

I know that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate,
Those that I guard I do not love;

My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.

No law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;

I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.

Jerome Shields
66 Posted 14/01/2023 at 01:05:06
Brendan #65,

Well applied, Yeats started as a Romantic poet and moved to be a Modernist poet. Few today can be as relevant.

There is a Museum at Kiltartan and there is the adjoining Coole Park Visitor Centre, an area my wife comes from, which gives a lot of context regarding the writing of these poems.

Brendan McLaughlin
67 Posted 14/01/2023 at 01:30:42
Jerome #66,

Is your wife from Sligo? Do you come to Ireland? I'm not too far away in Donegal most of the summer!

ps: Don't take the piss & tell me you're living here already!

Jerome Shields
68 Posted 14/01/2023 at 01:38:47
Yes. Live in Galway.
Brendan McLaughlin
69 Posted 14/01/2023 at 01:48:59
Galway... ya devious twat.

Been down there maybe every other year and might be again but if you're ever coming back up the Sligo direction... let me know.

Jerome Shields
70 Posted 14/01/2023 at 02:13:23
Will do.
Todd Watkins
71 Posted 14/01/2023 at 05:50:31
Can we sign Trossard?
Bobby Mallon
72 Posted 14/01/2023 at 06:32:20
Mike Price @40,

Well said.

Jim Bennings
73 Posted 14/01/2023 at 06:45:59
Last realistic chance to stay in the Premier League.

We've still got to play Arsenal twice, Liverpool away, Man Utd away, Newcastle Utd at home, Spurs at home, Chelsea away, Man City at home as well as tricky away games at Brighton, Palace, Leicester and nasty looking home games against Fulham, Brentford, Villa etc etc.

Honestly, if we don't win today I think – even as early as January – our race is ran.

You just can't see this group of players scoring enough goals or digging out narrow hard-fought wins.

Bob Parrington
74 Posted 14/01/2023 at 07:11:47
Good to see some positive chat about Iwobi. If we had other players making room for a pass or two, he would look brilliant. Problem is, we have too many players who don't pass then move – pretty basic, I reckon.

Good win this weekend - perhaps Ward-Prouse will get injured in the warm-up!

Colin Glassar
75 Posted 14/01/2023 at 07:25:32
I think this is going to be a horrible, scrappy, nervy game. 2-1 Everton win.
Ian Bennett
76 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:11:43
Bob, I sit on the half-way line of the Top Balcony, and can say the lack of movement and forward runners is killing us.

The fella on the ball looks rubbish as he can't pick out a target, but he's getting absolutely zero help from those in front of him.

3-5-2 is the first time we've properly countered at Man Utd and Man City. 4-3-3 just doesn't get the best out of Gray. The only problem is our wingbacks can't or won't get up and down the pitch.

Kunal Desai
77 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:13:29
We are going to have to do something today which we have not done since April 2021 which is doing the double and taking 6 points off a side. A hugely difficult task, that.
Tony Hill
78 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:15:32
Calvert-Lewin is crucial for this team and allows us to play with more balance and threat. If he stays fit – and Lampard may have to manage his time on the pitch – then I believe we will get mid-table. The players are still trying for the manager.

There are still 57 points to play for after today so, yes, the game is important psychologically but it is not yet the apocalypse.

I can't recall this ref. Is he any good? Probably not.

Jerome Shields
79 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:19:55
It really has been a funny week. We have had too many of these games in recent times, where a result was essential in more ways than one. It appears to be a more regular occurrence as the sins of those that run the club reap the whirlwind of their actions.

Everton are likely to be ultra-conservative. Defensively orientated in tactics and deep as our players' inadequacies dictate. Really the midfield is crucial and Iowbi's role in it. Stuck on the right as he was in the last game to support one of Frank's bad ideas is no use as it leads to more exposure, which is Frank's Achilles Heel.

It appears to be related to an inability to get players forward and support as an offensive unit, partly as a result of some of the players not being up to the required recruitment. Something that NSNOW are trying to address at the root cause, and what many of us have been going on about until we are blue in the face.

I don't know where a massively improved contract for Iowbi came from, but someone who is involved in negotiations needs to get a grip on reality.

Bobby Mallon
80 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:32:23
To get us out of this mess, Lampard needs to play 3-5-2. Today is the day he needs to put Simms up front with Calvert-Lewin. Today's team should be:


Steve Brown
81 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:39:24
I also think Frank will be play 3-5-2 as well Bobby – hopefully he will keep it for the rest of the season unless by some miracle we sign a decent winger, striker and CAM in the next two weeks.

My line-up will not be popular with everyone, but here goes:

Holgate Tarkowski Godfrey
Coleman Davies Gueye Doucouré Mykolenko
Calvert-Lewin Iwobi (if unfit, Gray).


1) Holgate is the best defender we have on the right side of a back three;
2) Davies has positional discipline, so play him as the holding midfielder and let Gueye and Doucouré get about the opposition;
3) Iwobi or Gray will connect the midfield and attack better.

This is far too tense a game to throw Simms into. Put him on the bench.

Steve Brown
82 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:40:37
Regardless of the formation, we need more speed and intensity from the players. If it moves, tackle it.
Sean Roe
83 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:42:08
I can't see us winning unfortunately. They have a game changer in Ward-Prowse – we don't.

I predict that when we are losing at about 70 mins, Lampard – with hand on chin and looking dumbfounded – will make a like-for-like swap of one of our ''wingers'' without changing the formation that has failed us for the entire game… and nothing else.

After the match, he will bleat on about how well we played but Southampton were ''better between the lines'' and ''It's where we are at the moment.''

The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Joe Digney
84 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:44:33
I'm staying positive and going with a 2-0 win. Dom and Dem. Need energy for 90 minutes, none of this 15 minutes of effort then fading away allowing teams to overrun us. Nervous but feeling weirdly confident at the same time.

Over to you, Frank and Co.

Tony Everan
85 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:45:16
“Everton manager Frank Lampard said on Friday he expected another relegation battle after narrowly avoiding the drop last season.”

There maybe some truth in the comment but isn't it the same for Fulham etc, clubs with smaller budgets and smaller wage bills? I don't quite buy the ‘inevitable relegation struggle’. It is normalising our performances as ones that are reasonably expected.

Is Frank saying that no manager or recruitment team on the planet could avoid a relegation battle with the resources at his disposal?

Throughout this turbulent week, many thoughts have turned to the necessity of returning to what has worked in the past and plays to our strengths. Back to the 4-5-1, becoming very hard to beat, getting the midfield balance right and grabbing important grafted wins by whatever means necessary.

Remarkably, Frank still has a chance to prove himself as adaptable and to put out an effective team (like he did at Man City). Even though he has fallen short, I am, for reasons unknown to me, still willing him on to succeed and come good. I just can't help liking the guy; but at the same time, realities of results have to be recognised and acted upon if necessary.

So come on, Frank, get us the win, COYBlues, do it for Frank and the Fans. Time to leave it all out there and turn a corner.

Steve Brown
86 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:49:10
Mike @ 40, Everton have sold or released just about every player who contributed goals and assists to the team over the last 2 years - Digne, Sigurdsson, James and Richarlison.

Amazingly, we have only scored 14 league goals this season as a result.

Jerome says that Frank's Achilles Heel is the inability to get the team forward and support as an offensive unit. With whom, Jerome? Where quality and creativity tells the most in football is in the attacking third. We have sold off these players from our squad because we wanted to cash in on them or cut their wages from the bill.

The idea that we should now not offer a new contract to the only creative player left in the squad – Iwobi – beggars belief. Of those 14 goals, he has contributed 1 goal and 5 assists.

Talk about a masochism strategy. The manager is not doing a great job at all, but not to sign a productive forward in the summer was criminal.

Nick Page
87 Posted 14/01/2023 at 08:52:10
Operation KITAP1 will commence:

Pack the midfield
Be aggressive
Don't pass it around our own 18-yard box
Push Onana up and use him as a target man
Don't sit too deep and get caught

Danny Baily
88 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:01:56
I can't see this going our way today. Why on earth is Frank still in post? The decision not to sack him after the Wolves debacle on Boxing Day will haunt this club for decades. We could have given ourselves a fighting chance.
Allan Board
89 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:05:14
A game that Everton HAVE TO WIN. Nothing less.
Michael Kenrick
90 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:05:30
Jesus Christ, Danny @88, you're like a broken record.

Can't you give your miserably negative narrative a rest for just one day, perhaps and, er, what's the saying? Oh yea...

Get behind the team.

Danny O’Neill
91 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:10:13
We beat this Southampton team on their own patch earlier this season. The much criticised Dwight McNeil not bothering claiming for the obvious penalty to score a beauty that the much admired, Ward-Prowse, who was in the team, would have been proud of and praised to the gods.

We can beat them today.

I know he isn't reading or listening to me, but just play the formation that best suits the players you have available Frank.

I know I'm stating the obvious. I just hope it's obvious to the manager.

Let's go and do this Everton. Work hard and believe. You owe us more than one.

Danny Baily
92 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:14:35
Haha fair enough Michael.
Nick Page
93 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:20:17
Danny 91.

Contrary to Michael/Danny B, maybe if you have a negative view for the day and say we might lose and big up the opposition, we might win….lol.

It's worth a try and I'll try anything at the moment.

Watched Villa Leeds last night - Leeds were much the better team and Villa weren't much but they have attacking threat and get up the pitch quickly…which makes a massive difference. Goals win games

Christopher Timmins
94 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:20:59
Danny, you will be enjoying your journey home,we will win!
Eddie Dunn
95 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:23:40
Got a gut feeling that Frank will be smiling tonight. 3-1.
Tony Hill
96 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:27:49
Lee Mason as the VAR is a bit of a concern. I fancy us for a win though. When you look through the players we now have available, we actually have a fair squad.
Anthony Flack
97 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:30:52
Bravo MK at 90.

Come on you Blues!

Robert Tressell
98 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:31:59
I see that Jamie O'Hara has called this the El Sackico. Grimly apt.

However, I'm not going to get into formations and personnel. The main thing is intensity and work rate and will to win.

We should have enough and I expect a 2-0 win.

Nick Page
99 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:35:34
Stubbsy on Sky Sports News now.
Nick Page
100 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:42:50
Brilliant by Alan that. Where are the other ex-pros like Reid and Ratcliffe etc etc? We need as much POSITIVE pressure being put on this board as possible and to show them up for their (very obvious) failures.

Thanks Alan Stubbs - you're a legend.

Mark Murphy
101 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:47:42
Steve at 81 your opinion and good on yer but we must play our best eleven in every game and Holgate and Davies are nowhere near that! I love them both but they aren't good enough.

I'm going for a narrow win but a win all the same. UTFT!

Andrew Clare
102 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:47:44
Another defeat is looming. It makes you almost wish for 'the no chance of winning anything' Moyes years.
Brian Wilkinson
103 Posted 14/01/2023 at 09:55:23
Absolutely nailed on we will not lose this game today.

We cannot afford to, we simply have to get something out of the game, we need the points and we will get them.

I fancy us anyway, but more so now with the sit-in after the game. If anyone can turn it back on the fans, it is Bill. It happened last seson against Arsenal and we got a 2-1 win.
I fully expect we will get a win today, then Bill will have all the media ready to jump in and say, "Look at those fans, they get a win and still they are not happy, turning on the board." The fans will be made out to be the ones in the wrong.

Now before anyone jumps in, no, I do not want the team to lose today, we have to get something out of this game, we have to, simple as that.

Full backing for the team from the 1st minute, right up until the final whistle, then I cannot speak for anyone else, but I will be sat with the fans after full-time, doing my bit.

3 points please Everton.

Dave Abrahams
104 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:23:08
Danny (91) and Brian (103):

That's today's theme optimism, brilliant, without optimism we've got nothing, come on you Blue Boys up and at them, roaring them on to a vital win.

Danny (88), As Michael Kenrick asks you “Can't you take a fuckin' day off, especially today?” Put your Blue scarf on, Danny, try smiling and take your scarf and that smile to the match. You might find you've got a bigger smile on at the end of the game like most of us.

Then you can join the protest if you feel like it. Smile Danny what's the use of crying!!

Christy Ring
105 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:26:26
I'd play McNeill at left wing back, Mykolenko has been poor, as for Iwobi, I agree with Tony, at times he loses the ball too easy, and when trying to win the ball, runs at the opposition but never puts in a tackle.
Brian Hennessy
106 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:29:30
I agree that Iwobi has been caught between two stools on several occasions. One called McNeil and the other called Gordon.
Tony Abrahams
107 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:29:47
I’d say anything is worth a try Nick, come on Danny, mate!

George McKane, used to write the most brilliant inspirational words, mixed in with life, humour, his past, his love for Everton, and all things blue, but the better he wrote, the worse we played, and George unfortunately, wrote many magnificent posts!

I prefer ToffeeWeb, when everyone is negative before the game, and eating humble pie after it. What will we get today against bottom of the league Southampton is anyone’s guess, but alls we can do is get behind the team, and hope that they respond.

Dave Abrahams
108 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:29:48
Danny (92)

Apologies Danny (88), just noticed your post @ (92), tried to amend it but too late.

Sorry mate, I hope, no cancel that, I know we will both be smiling at 5:00 pm!!

Neil Copeland
109 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:32:01
Today is all about putting the team and manager first by backing them to the hilt. Then after we have battered Southampton we can show the board what supporting this fantastic club is all about.


Anthony Murphy
110 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:32:03
Hope it’s not a draw - worse than a defeat in some ways
Stuart Sharp
111 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:34:54
Good to see some unity on here. And some positivity. Let's transfer that to the team. I'll even forgive Brian 106 for beating me to that gag. COYB. See you at the bear pit.
Brian Harrison
112 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:36:57
There is no option but to win today, anything else and the storm clouds will get even darker. I am sure the fans realize just how important a win is today and will be doing everything they can to make that happen. I know Southampton have had 2 very good wins in their last 2 games, but playing at Goodison with the fans motivated will be a completely different experience for them, and not many don't wilt when under that scrutiny never mind a bottom of the league side.

I just hope we can get Gray into a more central roll, rather than stuck on the wing, he proved what a threat is he is when he ran at the City defence, and he has the ability to finish as we have seen.

I have to say I was surprised at Lampards press conference going on about a lot were saying he would be the first manager sacked this season, I can assure him the reason he hasn't, isn't because he has improved the team. Also all this nonsense about after last season we couldnt realistically expect to be in a different position to what we are. So if we have another year fighting relegation this season then expect us to be

in the same position next year, and he is OUR manager. But for now all I want is 3 points today and get away from the relegation zone.

Brian Hennessy
113 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:38:24
Have to agree with Tony Cascarino's view this morning (when talking about Wolves) that fixing a team not scoring goals is not as hard as it needs to be. He said you need to be braver, get more players in and around the box and not leave your striker isolated.

Please Frank, dispense with the 433 and get Gray playing beside DCL.

Roger Helm
114 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:40:04
I agree Anthony 110. Three points, or a defeat which will surely be the end of Lampard and the recruitment of a manager who will somehow get the team performing. A draw will have the board doing nothing, which to me means probable relegation.
Nick Page
115 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:40:15
Brian @113 totally agree. And get the ball forward quicker using long balls instead of pissing around with it and push Onana forward as a big target man, then pressure the second ball. Be aggressive. COYB
Michael Kenrick
116 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:45:01
Nice one, Dave @104,

Your bedside manner with these malcontents is so much better than mine! Although you did misquote me, that is actually what I wanted to say.

ps: Go to the U18s thread for a link to the kids' game kicking off at 11:00 am – I know how you like a technology challenge!

Dave Williams
117 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:45:49
If we turn up motivated, and if the crowd gets behind the team like it did last season then I think we will win. We mustn’t allow the planned protests to affect our support during the game.
DCL looked better against United and Gray is in good form. Onana has looked to me to be finding his feet in the two Manchester games and was badly missed against Brighton.
The players need to show energy and fight from the start and the crowd will respond.
Go boys!!
Ray Roche
118 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:45:56

Does anyone know of a site similar to ToffeeWeb that has a Live Forum, a forum where the reader can get an accurate account of the match? Where all the players aren’t ‘shite’, the apparently none existent defenders aren’t shite, where, (if we had a forward) he’d be shite, all to a backing track of ‘Kenwright out’, ‘Lampard out’, ‘Moshiri out’, ‘the tea lady out’!
Just knowledgeable supporters giving honest and accurate feedback to supporters who can’t get to the match today (I’m in Germany right now!) without the shite blanket? Last week almost consecutive posts declared Iwobi having a good game and being, yes, shite.
Hope you can help.👍🏻

Mark Ryan
119 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:45:57
Has to be 2-0 to the mighty blues. Gordon and DCL UTFT's
Pat Kelly
120 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:53:17
We have to treat this like a cup final from the start. We won't be in a cup final anytime soon but this is arguably more important, as defeat is the last straw for Lampard and perhaps PL survival. If they can't win with the full support of the fans for 90 minutes at home then there's little hope.
Alan Johnson
121 Posted 14/01/2023 at 10:55:34
Hoping the Trossard links has legs. Fingers crossed.
Mike Price
122 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:03:24
Lampard saying all we could expect was a relegation fight is like the Moyes knife to a gunfight comment. Lowering expectations. Vincent Kompany and Burnley cashed in on a load of relegated players as well as getting big wages off the books. He’s recruited a bunch of unheard of players and has them playing fast, attacking football and already in a better place than Everton. They’re just about guaranteed the Premier league next season and play Ipswich to get into the 5th round of the cup.
As much as a win today we need to see a change of plan that can give us some hope for the rest of the season.
Brian Wilkinson
123 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:13:01
I am setting off for the match in a mo, so will not see the comments until I get home.

Might pop into the bookies to see if they will give me odds on an accumulator, team announced at 2pm followed by wtf is that line up hitting ToffeeWeb before2.05pm, with the second leg going on ffs this is shite Everton after the first minute, followed by this team team is going down after 10 mins, I have a sneaky feeling we will go to 1 all, before running out 3-1 winners so last leg of my accumulator, will be ripping into the team, followed by eating humble pie afterwards.

If only bookies would give such odds.

Anyway I feel positive today, for those unfortunate not being able to go, have faith, it might get a bit Rocky, but we will come good today, we simply have to.

Eddie Dunn
124 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:13:16
Allan -he would be worth our whole budget.
Jason Hewly
125 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:14:23
Regarding the protest, it's the staff I feel sorry for. The directors, if they're there, will probably leave the ground at their normal time, but the staff will be stuck there having to work past their clocking off time.

And, annoyed as I am with the running of the club, the fans who demanded Lampard be given the job need to take a look at themselves. He's useless.

COYB. Kenwright Out.

James Hughes
126 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:24:01
Ray you know wjo the usual suspeects are, so just skip their posts.
it is going to be an awful nervy game but we will get the three points
I must admit I feel I could a copy of Munch's The Scream right now whenever I think about the game, so I am keeping busy
Frank Wolfe
127 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:31:29
Soton have played well in the last 2 games. This is going to be a tough game. Patience needed by the fans as they will sit back and try to frustrate us then hit us on the break (basically the standard formula for playing Everton at Goodison).
Darren Hind
128 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:33:39
Dave 104

I thought you were going to finish that post with

"Without your kecks on"

This is not our last chance. Theres 60 points still to play for, but if we want a relaxing spring, we really do need to start putting points on the board.

Tip of the day; Have a couple of stiff ones before this one.


Ian Edwards
129 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:39:12
If Lampard grows a pair and adopts an attacking formation then we should win the game.

Apologies to Tony Abrahams for not expanding on my post and giving a precise scoreline, scorers, time of goals and what type of celebration to expect from each player.

Ray Roche
130 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:41:59
James @126

Yes, the usual suspects! The usual suspects were instrumental in me being banned from the Live Forum!

Barry Hesketh
131 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:43:40
Jason @125
How many fans took part in this election of Frank Lampard to first team coach? How many voted for him to become the boss? That's right none.

It was the owner/Board who appointed him and even if we had all wanted somebody else they would still have gone ahead with their choice. I'm not saying that people didn't give their opinions at the time before Frank was appointed, but that's all it was the opinion of some fans that appointing him was a good move, and I think at the time, the removal of Benitez was far more important than the concern of who may replace him.

Anyway for good or bad, Frank is our manager today, and if he fails, somebody else will replace him, I look forward to the opportunity to put my x on the ballot for the new manager, but somehow, like all the previous times, I'm not expecting the club to send me or any other fan a ballot paper to help the club decide whom they appoint.

Raymond Fox
132 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:52:58
Today is groundhog day, we need a win desperately for starters and then a bit of luck and the right results in the other two relegation six pointers.
We need to play in Southampton's half, hoof the ball more into their penalty box and wait for mistakes.

There's going to be six very nervous teams and supporters today, the results could turn out to be very good or very bad.
I can't see Iwobi being fully fit but their making the right noises.

I've got everythying crossed for us to get lucky for a change because we havn't had much in years.

Anthony Murphy
133 Posted 14/01/2023 at 11:57:06
If we play five at the back, we need to play Someone rather than Mykolenko
Julian Exshaw
134 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:00:06
I think we will win today, the law of averages if nothing else would suggest so. To use a dreadful cliché once again though, this would only paper over the cracks. At the end of the day, Brentford will still be above us. Brentford,a team that was in League One 10 years ago has made significantly more progress in the last 10 years than we have and have probably spent barely 10% of what we have. This is the cold truth.
Dave Abrahams
135 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:00:21
Darren (128) Darren I’m getting on a bit I haven’t had a stiff one for a few years, I’ve a had few gins and tonics though!!
Kunal Desai
136 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:08:08
Board of Directors have been told not to attend todays match for there safety and to stay away.
Chris Leyland
137 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:08:42
No directors going today. Club have released a statement
Ian Edwards
138 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:08:47
Statement from the Club saying that the Board won't be attending after credible threats received.

Let's hope the team pick out their targets better than the protest group.

Altogether now... "Super Frankie Lampard".

Jason Hewly
139 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:11:29
Barry @131
You can't deny that there was a clamour for him. It was all over social media, on phone-ins, and here. The board had a guy lined up and a sizeable chunk of supporters made it clear they should appoint Lampard.
Chris Leyland
140 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:11:32
Ian, have you got your ‘bring back Sam’ banner ready to unfurl at the final whistle?
Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:13:06
Unlike others, let’s just hope the team can look the fans in the eyes tonight.

Ian E, you talk enough shite as it is mate!

Jason Hewly
142 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:13:43
Leeds fans have started calling Jessie Marsch "Yank Lampard".

It's not a compliment.

Danny O’Neill
143 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:21:28
Shithouses and incompetency of the highest possible order.

Making a statement like that hours before kick off in a vital match to save their own failed faces?

Safety. Reluctantly agreed? They didn't want to face reality. Malicious and threatening correspondence? Well, get real and accept when you fail and do what is the right thing to do.

Targeted physical aggression? Strong and unfounded claim. Most of what I have read has talked about a sit down protest after the match.

And the last paragraph. Blaming supporters again. Those supporters that follow passionately and saved their bacon last season.


Why did they do this on match day hours before kick off? How does that help the team?

Self preservation, not one consideration for the club and it's loyal following that will be there today and has already bought up all the tickets for Arsenal at home.

I wanted to and will focus on the team today. God knows what is going through their's and Lampard's heads right now.

Ridiculous demonstration of amateur behaviour. I have to keep reading it back to believe it is true. And then get even angrier each time I do.

Not everyone's favourite, but at least Marcel Brands had the balls to face fans directly.

Sorry for the rant. Come on boys. We can do this. Just focus on the match and ignore Billy Boys Circus going on around you.

Ian Edwards
144 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:22:49
Chris 140 I would take Allardyce over Lampard in a heartbeat.

Tony 141. I'm the voice of reason!

Kunal Desai
145 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:23:47
The protests aren't going away, so what are they going to do, stay away from Arsenal, Aston Villa, Leeds and so forth?
Ian Pilkington
146 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:24:07
Just been on Sky News: EFC as announced that directors have been ordered l to stay away from today’s match for their own safety.
Nigel Munford
147 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:24:51
Kunal, #136, was a lynching party planned as well as a sit in protest??
Ian Edwards
148 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:26:47
I would prefer it if Frank Lampard stayed away. He is the one responsible for our league position.
Ian Pilkington
149 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:26:52
Also on BBC Sport website.
Oliver Molloy
150 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:27:04
If ever there was a six pointer this is it. We simply MUST find a way to win, everything on the line folks.

Oliver Molloy
151 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:27:04
If ever there was a six pointer this is it. We simply MUST find a way to win, everything on the line folks.

Justin Doone
152 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:27:12
I can only hope our players can show as much fight and energy as Leeds, they don't quit, they don't hide, they keep going to the end. Good energy from players and fans whilst the game is being played.

A good win today will be massive. A loss could see Moshiri eat his words. Frank has to set up to dominate midfield and win the battles. No stupid mistakes, find a goal and win the game.

Ian Hollingworth
153 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:27:59
A clever move by the Board to try and nullify today's protests.

How sad that they are prepared to use us the fans as their excuse, it just sums up how useless they are.

Absolute wankers… and it will probably just make the atmosphere more toxic.

Paul Jones
154 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:28:30
Disgraceful decision by the board.

Deflect the spotlight from their ridiculous performance onto the fans by conjuring a threat that was never going to materialise.

"It is a profoundly sad day for Everton and Evertonians."

Not as sad as when Gobshite took the reins and started to destroy the club.

Mick O'Malley
155 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:31:42
Ian Edwards, pack it in with yer little sly digs at the fans. This club is fuck-all without our wonderful fans.

As for your Allardyce shouts, you have got to be joking, he is finished.

James Hughes
156 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:32:56
"A real and credible threat" – if that was true, then that is the only credible thing about the club at present. An absolutely shocking decision.

Boy's Pen Bill has banned season-ticket holders and ex-players for criticising the club and him. Gues he knew he couldn't face the fans. He really is a shithouse lying fecker.

Phillip Warrington
157 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:34:39
Just seen on BBC Football website:

"Everton's board of directors will not attend Saturday's home Premier League game against Southampton because of a "real and credible threat to their safety".

The club said the directors were advised not to attend Goodison Park following "malicious and unacceptably threatening correspondence".

This club has turned on its supporters, first we were responsible for the hiring and sacking of managers and now a real and credible threat to the safety of anybody in the hierarchy of Everton FC.

So I take it we the fans have now become the scapegoats for everything that goes wrong? Thanks, Everton FC, for your loyal support of your fans.

Ian Pilkington
158 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:35:04
Ian Edwards@148
You never give up do you? That would be really constructive for the morale of the players.
I will be backing the team to the hilt from my seat this afternoon.
Jason Hewly
159 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:37:50
Of course the Board are staying away. Why on earth would anyone think they're going to turn up to get abuse hurled at them by thousands of people?

It's a stupid tactic for a protest that's telegraphed to Southampton a game plan of "frustrate the crowd". A march to the ground would have been a much better idea.

Two things need to happen immediately: Kenwright needs to step away from the club in a human sacrifice kind of way to detoxify the fan reaction, and the fans need to calm the fuck down.

Ian Edwards
160 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:38:24
I've seen videos in the past of Kenwright being abused in the Car Park, going to and from his seat and while in his seat. I think it's a sensible decision not to attend especially as we don't know what threats have been made by cranks direct to the Club.

I've made my views quite clear. We are in a relegation battle due to the incompetence of the Manager and the focus should be on his performance. Protests against the Board should be after safety has been achieved/end of season.

If we lose today it is the fault of Lampard. Not Graeme Sharp.

The protest groups are totally naive and I condemn them totally for taking attention away from the failing Manager.

Dave Abrahams
161 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:41:54
Who ordered the FOUR directors to stay away from today's game???

Eenie, Meenie, Minie or the Dickhead who picked them in the first place?

They can't hide forever! Come out, come out, wherever you are, and face the music.

Danny O’Neill
162 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:42:20
Today is all about supporting the team and manager to get the points we need.


Done an almost Moyes job at Bolton, having them punching above their weight. Credit for that.

Sacked at least 5 times and resigned about the same amount.

Got West Brom relegated.

Alleged corruption and scandal, lasting one game with England before he got sussed.

Possibly the most recycled and overrated manager of a generation of English managers.

No thanks.

Danny O’Neill
164 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:44:18
Without turning this knowledgable thread into the match day forum, which I swerve, Ian, would you suggest Everton's current predicament is more down to Frank Lampard's 12 months or several decades of mismanagement of the club?
Tony Abrahams
165 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:44:36
Hopefully they never have to be seen at Goodison again. I'm concentrating on the football, but a Liverpudlian has just texted me to say it's disgraceful that Sharp isn't attending today because he fears for his own safety.

I said that the Everton board have done something that I would normally associate with Liverpudlians and that is to play the victim.

Sharp has said nothing for years, and he's just doing what he has always done since he stopped putting on the Royal Blue Jersey, imo.

I think he should break rank and attend today, but he's never been one to rock the boat, and I personally think both him and our board are letting the great supporters of Everton down today, even though they were going to be the people who were in the line of fire.

The only thing left of the People's Club is the very loyal and long-suffering supporters who have never deserted our club. Imagine none of us had ever gone the Palace game, or all decided to leave at half-time because we didn't want to see our club suffer?

Anthony Murphy
166 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:46:54
If we see something that resembles a surrender on the pitch, things may turn very nasty.

We need to be careful as the comments from the Board leave us open to scrutiny – FA, Premier League etc waiting to make an example of us (again).

Lee Whitehead
167 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:48:01
Will everyone just calm down !!!
Were not even half way through the fukin season yet - one win and we move up to 13th (if everyone else loses)
We can point the finger at the board,Farhad,Frank but the bottom line is the players are shite and until we offload and buy nothing will change Fact 💙💙
Anthony Flack
168 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:49:40
Mmmm I don’t normally comment on this stuff not out if apathy just nothing materially valuable to add

But this smacks off lousy leadership and I can’t see how it helps the club one little bit

Just maybe it might be the sign that some of the leaders are on their way out …

I can’t see a way back from the position - what’s their next step ?

Peter Carpenter
169 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:49:49
Nice move by the old thespian; stay away due to real or imagined threat to safety and play the victim. Cue sympathy from all angles apart from one. Just sod off, Kenwright.
John Gall
170 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:49:56
The internet makes idiots of all of us. The exaggeration of emotions it encourages, the hype and fake intensity, makes people say and do stupid things. Every defeat is a disaster of unimaginable proportions, every victory hailed as a turning point. It's all ridiculous. No one thinks long-term or builds anything slowly and systematically. You see it everywhere these days and it's all frothed up by the nonsense of social media. Sad to see it has permeated the culture of our beloved football club.
Ian Edwards
171 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:50:16
Danny 164

I would say both. But we are heading directly towards an iceburg. Instead of protesting to the owners of the Ship we should be speaking urgently to the Man at the steering wheel.

Tony Abrahams
172 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:50:53
Danny picture the oracle on Benidorm, shouting it’s because he’s never played 4-4-2, and I’ve got my P-A to prove it.

Back to concentrating on the football now, but I do wonder if Frank Lampard was in such a chirpy mood yesterday (I’m just guessing because I only read this on Toffeeweb) because he knew nobody from the boardroom was going to be coming to today match. If we lose today, who from Everton is going to be prepared to sack him, without looking both downright pathetic and also absolutely stupid?

Jan Erik Lloyd
173 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:52:59
Embarrassing and disgraceful from the supporters responsible for the threats. Keep away from my club!! Grow up!!
Oliver Molloy
174 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:54:08
Agree Danny,
Today Southampton players need to feel the heat from fans and players alike.
Lampard has this game to save his job in my opinion.
He and we will find out today how much the players care
Anthony Murphy
175 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:54:29
Phil Wood
176 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:55:48
Totally support the Team and always will.
Do not support threats and intimidation against anyone.
Protest is great when properly channelled.
The Owner frittered his money away where he wanted to. His bad choices.
He doesn't go to the games now anyway and will look to dump us as soon as he can with as little further reduction to his money as possible.
Abusing women and old men is pathetic.
Support your Team and protest. I think everyone's got the point anyway.

Ray Smith
177 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:56:49
Board ordered not to attend todays match!
I do not condone violence to get one’s point across, and never will.
These alleged threats must be quite sinister in their content to warrant the non attendance of board members.
Perhaps BK in particular, will come to realise that his position at Everton is/should be coming to an end.
Time will tell, but if this message doesn’t get through his thick skin, nothing will.
I would support a non violent protest after the match.
The team don’t need this, and hopefully it will galvanise them to put in a winning performance 🤞
Andy Crooks
178 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:57:00
Ian Edwards, do you ever, ever get tired listening to yourself.
WE GET IT. You hate Lampard.You admire Allardyce. You love Martinez. You can make any thread about you. You are on every thread with the same worn out mantra. WE GET IT!!
Some even agree with you. Get a new idea, an original thought, anything, but in the name of God give it a fucking rest.
Ian Edwards
179 Posted 14/01/2023 at 12:59:29
I'm beginning to think I live rent free in a few posters heads. Take a chill pill Andy.
Martin Farrington
180 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:01:05
You are in a majority of one.

As for the directors not attending.
That is their decision.
The fans have been honest. Telling them that they intend to peacefully protest.

In contrast to the directors who have concocted an untruth about "real and credible threats" from an unnamed spokesman of the club. This reinforces the lies and deceit that this inept regime will go to, to hide their incompetence.
The statement is a plethora of malicious, spiteful and bitter verbal slur against Everton fans
What targeted physical aggression ? That has never been mentioned before.

The fans have been massively forgiving and restrained for years and years.

Caught out. This board and owner show true colours which are not Blue and White.

Tony Abrahams
181 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:03:23
We need men today, which makes me wonder what the team will be? I never want to know the team before the game, but I can’t wait to see who’s playing today now.

Ian, how about we pay you to fuck off!

Ray Roche
183 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:05:59
Andy, Edwards is a wind up merchant. I have my personal doubts that he’s even a Blue. Maybe even a closet red.
Own up Edwards,what are you?
Apart from being Mr Negative.
Martin Mason
184 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:06:14
Difficult to see how and where we can turn these awful performances round when we seem to have tried all formations and players. Seems we can play well as defensive underdogs at top locations but can't win against our peer sides. I'm hoping they can show me how today, a loss would be quite frightening,.
Danny O’Neill
185 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:07:23
I don't mind different view Ian.

You may be aware I wasn't convinced about Lampard's appointment. I'm still not.

I just can't see be beyond the neglect of how the club has been ran since we last won the league as the reason we are in the current situation.

15 managers, not including the caretaker ones. Same board member since 1989.

Are all of those managers wrong? Maybe some were ill judged appointments.

But they can't all be the root cause of our problems.

Anthony Jones
186 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:08:30
If you are sending threats or making threats of any kind then you are scum.
These nutcase fans are embarrassing the club and the city.
Protest all you like otherwise, though the owner pays the wages and these decisions are ultimately down to him.
Andy Crooks
187 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:10:05
Pill, taken, Ian.
Anyway, on a serious note, I mean life serious, not football serious. I posted this last night because I didn't think I would be able to post today and I would like anyone going to the match to see it. Also, wasn't sure where else to post it.

Natalie McNally was murdered in Lurgan on 18th December.
She was an Everton supporter and her photo will be on the big screen at today's game. I hope every blue will think of her family.

Ian Edwards
188 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:10:21
It would appear some on here would rather insult and abuse me rather than debate issues raised. Very sad.
Christine Foster
189 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:11:34
This one decision, irrespective of the result today, forever condemns this board. Credible threats? Orchestrated bullshit. Right before a massive game, to take the focus and blame firmly on the fans. Dreadful. There is a massive rift between genuine supporters and this club. So angry they make it about them when all they had to do was front fans months, weeks, days ago.. all this would have been averted. They are a disgrace. Shame on them.

Fans need to drive the team on as they have never done before. We know where we stand. Alone, but together.
Come on you blues! We'll do it together.

Ray Roche
190 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:15:39
The saddest thing of all Edwards is your constant posting.
Anthony Jones
191 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:17:25
So Christine, you think the credible threats are club propaganda? Give it a rest. There are idiots following most football clubs these days. They have no shame, no perspective, no sportsmanship.
And they are quite capable of threats of violence, which should be taken seriously.
Andy Crooks
192 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:17:38
Ian, repeating the same thing on every thread, every day is not debate. It's, well, err... just repeating the same thing every day on every thread.
Eddie Dunn
193 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:18:04
Among the many tweets, emails, and letters criticising the board there only needs to be one idiot that goes too far and the board then use that one as a reason to call-out all of the supporters.
It's pathetic from Kenwright. I wonder just who decided how serious the threat was and what the nature of the threat was.
The club has been looking for ways to throw this back at the fans, from Moshiri's terrible response to this new twist.
It is clear that these people resent sharing EFC with the fans.
The important thing now is that we beat Southampton and that the protests are conducted in a civilised manner or all criticism of the heirarchy will be undermined.
Kenwright and Moshiri will be only too happy to point the finger at a few hotheads and tar us all with the same brush.
Kieran Kinsella
194 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:20:56
One attendee of the Zoom call was Tweeting about assassinating the board yesterday. Was he credible? No idea. But all it takes is one lunatic.
Chris James
195 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:22:11
Slow handclap to the Evertonian 'faithful' who are turning us into the Millwall of the north west.

If what we're hearing is true (i.e. threats of violence or sexual abuse, 'fans' shaking up our CEO's car outside the ground), it's absolutely pathetic, shameful and unforgivable.

That said, as a regular on this site and especially the live forum I am not entirely surprised. We're all frustrated with the current mailaise of course, but the volume and immediacy of the vitriol that gets thrown about is as depressing as it is relentless. If people are so damn unhappy, I genuinely wonder why they don't just leave the club and support someone else, or take up a different pursuit, I hear yoga is calming.

You don't like Kenwright or Moshiri? Tough fecking luck.
They're in charge, they've put millions (or hundreds of millions in Moshiri's case) of their own money and their professional reputations where their mouths are and actually had a go.

Are they doing a great job at present? Nope, not really.
Have we made a ton of bad appointments and signings? Abso-fecking-lutely.
Would they like the blues to be back to their heydays (the ones I recall anyway) in the 80s? In a heartbeat!
Does anything excuse the relentless diatribe or escalating to this sort of behaviour just because you buy a match-ticket or a shirt? No way in hell.

The reality is that Everton are no longer what we were. We don't need to abandon our history, but we do need to stop pretending we're still living in it. Right now we're a mid-table side at best in the most competitive league in the world, we're light years away from City, Arsenal and a fair way behind United, Spurs, Chelsea and our neighbours.

At present we are a club without a strong core vision, that is abundantly clear.
However, the last time we had something a bit more cohesive, in 'The People's Club' era under Moyes I recall that many of the same relentless moaners now weren't particularly happy then either - despite troubling the top 6 or 7 most years.

I truly hope that the faithful do actually get behind the team today and don't start the whistling and booing after a few misplaced passes or even if we go a goal down.

Also, if the news I've heard so far proves true, I personally hope they identify some of these idiots and throw criminal charges at them - may mean a few less negative idiots at Goodison.

Paul Tran
196 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:23:39
Dave #135, you seemed happy enough necking a few glasses of wine that time we met before the match four years ago!
Andrew Ellams
197 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:23:40
I can't believe how many people out there are calling the threats as nonsense. Days like today brings out the whackjobs.

I'll not be shocked to see stories of fighting between blues at the game today too

Martin Mason
198 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:25:15
Ian, like with myself it's not what you say but the way that you say it or are perceived to say it. You are almost certainly correct that we can do better than Frank but remember that he is only head coach and over him is the DoF and the Board and owner. We have changed manager many, many times now and done no better as a result. For me at least this would show than Head Coaches have not been our problem but a scapegoat. I don't believe that it's just the board neither. I believe it is a far more complex and toxic combination generated by the club itself including the nature of our support. Possibly only a takeover and complete clean brush can cure the Everton problem, the new ground may help. Here's to a good performance this week and especially next week when the board ain't going but I am.
Chris James
199 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:26:05
P.S. RE: Ray Roche, let me know if you find that live forum, I'll happily join you there!
Tony Abrahams
200 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:26:20
Anthony Jones, I’ve got no time for this Everton board, but I don’t believe that likeminded people to myself, would stand and watch if physical violence, was shown towards our board of directors. When Kenwright said what must have been an instantly regrettable “we have had some good times” shout, nobody physically attacked him, and whilst I believe there are people who absolutely hate the man, I don’t believe good honest Evertonians would stand by doing nothing if anyone was attacked?

Look at the Patrick Vierra incident last season, when sensible Evertonians shued away the divi, and began to calm Vierra down, whilst walking him away.

Danny O’Neill
201 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:26:26
Nice touch Andy.

My son got my Uncle's name up on the screen a few years ago on Boxing Day after his passing.

Of on a tangent now. He had a dog called Blue. For those who know, one of those Speke dogs that used to go out in the morning and roam the streets every day on its own. Street wise and knew it's Green Cross Code, so always came back safely for it's tea!! I worked with an Army colleague from Huyton who had previously worked in the then Ford's. He told me he used to sneak to the Orient on Eastern Avenue for "lunch". His lasting impression of Speke was "kids and dogs".

I digress. Well said Christine. Let's focus on the match and 3 points.

Hey Ian, we all put ourselves out here. Sometimes we get agreed with, other times we get shot down. Don't take it personally.

Ian Edwards
202 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:27:39
More tolerance required in certain quarters.
Martin Mason
203 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:29:38
Don't even consider that Ian, maybe just think about what you say and how it can be misconstrued.
James Head
204 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:30:02
The brass knecked Shameless kenwright will be calling in all favours from his pals in the media, he will use any means to undermine and subvert any dissent and protest, machiavellian to his corrupt phoney core, he will stoop lower than this latest stunt and will attempt to paint protesters as violent and dangerous, he will never leave voluntarily, he has 900,000 reasons a year not to, no doubt some of his minions have infiltrated this site to keep the divide and rule tactics alive. SACK THE BOARD!
Tony Abrahams
205 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:33:09
Yes Chris, I’m sure if what you heard is true, then I’d expect a few people will be getting a knock from Merseyside police.

Maybe it’s got that bad that they have chosen to take this stance for the good name of Everton FC? because who wants to see police officers down the sides and at the front and back of our directors box. I’d never thought of it this way before, maybe Evertonians have suddenly turned into lunatic savages on masse, overnight?

Dave Abrahams
206 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:34:54
Paul (196) yes I enjoyed the wine as well as your company, but that was four years ago, the years count as double the older you get. Oh and wine is nice but doesn’t taste half as good as gin and tonic which I turned to when I’d had enough brown bitters “ Those were the days my friend, I thought they’d never end”. Just like all those “ good times” Billy Boy gave us!! By the way we got beat that night, when we had a few glasses together, in the league cup, 2-1, not sure of the team that beat us.
Steve Brown
207 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:36:10
Danny @ 143, I couldn’t agree more.

Does anyone really believe that there is a serious threat to the safety of the board if they attend the game?

They are simply manipulating some random social media posts to avoid facing the fan protest. It also allows them to claim they are victims. Ironic when you consider what the fans have suffered through their greed and stupidity.

Quite cowardly really.

Martin Mason
208 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:36:24
Chris@195 Exceptional post.
Craig Walker
209 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:36:25
I’m not confident of a result today but then again, I honestly can’t remember the last time I felt like we’d win. Probably Boreham Wood in the cup. That’s how so many bad results and performances have affected my spirits down the years. I used to think we’d best anyone. Then we had seasons where I thought we’d win most home games. Then I just feared the so-called big 6. These days, I can’t pick an opponent and have any belief: home or away.

I hope for 2 things today: a win and that the fans make us proud. I really do not want our fans, or a minority of them to become another stick in which the media can beat us.

Julian Exshaw
210 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:36:29
Whether it's true or not about the directors, whether you like it or not, the reputation of our beloved club is getting worse by the day. Enough already! Give us back our 'School of Science', the glory days of the late 60's and the never to be forgotten golden days under Howard. This whole era is toxic to the core. I truly despair.
Chris Corn
211 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:36:53
Mike Price
212 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:37:41
Moshiri’s letter and interview on Talksport along with todays board decision just reaffirms how completely amateurish the upper echelons of this club are. There are morons making terrible decisions all over this football club.
Moshiri is dying to get out but he can’t until the ground is built; he and we, are hamstrung.
Eddie Dunn
213 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:37:44
Funny how the news of the security team advising the Board not to attend has got onto the front page of BBC website.
Now we never get on that page.
Methinks that the security people work for the club and this is a very convenient outcome because it gives Bill and his chums a reason not to face the wrath of the fans and it gives his chums in the media a stick with which to bash those same fans.
John Gall
214 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:38:21
Chris 195 - that's perfectly put. I agree with your every word.
Christine Foster
215 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:40:18
There is an important game on today, a vital 3 points at stake. Forget the board. Focus on winning, do your job, every fan, put the fear of God into Southampton, cheer every pass, let them know we are behind them. No matter what.
James Marshall
216 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:41:31
The thing now about security and directors not attending games, gives them the clout to ignore the fans even more. If supporters are displaying aggression or abuse towards them, either in person or online, they'll just shut down even more, and ultimately these sit-ins and protests will achieve nothing.

This is just the start of them closing ranks, pulling up the drawbridge and completely ignoring any & all protests.

As an aside - I have a horrible feeling we'll get beat today.

Steve Brown
217 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:42:18
Ian, perhaps people would debate with you if you had something more interesting to say.

To summarise your opinions over several years a) We should play two up front b) 4-4-2 is the best formation (with Reid and Bracewell in midfield c) Every manager is to blame, apart from Martinex and Allardyce d) fan protests are stoooopid e) Poor old Bill.

Raymond Fox
218 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:42:30
Well said Chris 195, I get tired of this 'all Everton fans are wonderful' just because they attend the games.

There's plenty of irresponsible pea brained foul mouthed moaning shits among them that the club would be better without.

Regrettably its what modern society commonly now has to put up with.

Tony Abrahams
219 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:42:45
The lunatics are staying at home, whilst I’m just getting ready to leave my house and go to the place of a million memories. Come on Everton, run, fight, tackle, and engage the crowd today, and we will be fine. The George McKane’s score line has just entered my head, but only if our players do all of the above! Fight Everton, fight, and then when you win the battle, fucking play.
John Gall
220 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:43:28
The scally thing has always been there, ready to explode at certain moments. Throw in the hysterical vilification of one individual, encouraged on websites like this, and you can see where the perceived threat of violence is absolutely justified.
David McMullen
221 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:44:12
I forgot there was a game on today
Kevin Molloy
222 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:44:23
Chris 195
yes I agree with that. I don't think Evertonians are in a good place at the moment (I'm sure most would agree with that). Intimidation and threats of violence towards the board of directors (who are currently building a £750m new stadium, having funded hundreds of millions in transfers) is a tad ungrateful I would suggest. Yes the money as been wasted, but hey not everyone can be a winner. Sometimes you've just got to suck it up.
Tony Hill
223 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:44:35
A gallant signal from the Board that they expect us to lose today.
Pete Clarke
224 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:45:21
They have probably had somebody post a few threats to give them this excuse to avoid the reality of facing a crowd who want them out. The good news is they can get used to watching the match on TV because we don’t want the useless pricks at the club.
Love to see the actual source of this threat and hopefully it is one that proves these phoney board members are stooping to new lows in order to keep their undeserving positions and in the process are giving Everton supporters a bad name.
Off either heads I say.

Ian. Would you rather we lost today just to prove your point about Frank Lampard ?
I’ve mentioned before that we can all see he’s struggling with this team and his tactics to get something out of them. I feel today we will all find out if he’s learned anything at all.
If Lampard is sacked this week it will mean we will probably have lost today, you get your wish and our supporters will have to spray some names on bedsheets in order to nominate Frank’s replacement.
Christine Foster
225 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:49:01
If the threat was credible, why didn't the police advise the board, not in house security. Have the police said it's credible and not to attend? Surely that's how it works?
Martin Mason
226 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:49:10
Bill is playing a very clever game laying the blame on to the fans. Do we have a counter? I doubt it but we have to get our fingers out of our ears and recognise that we do have a fan problem at the extremes.
Nick Page
227 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:49:36
Ian Edwards, various,

“ The protest groups are totally naive and I condemn them totally for taking attention away from the failing Manager.”

Piss off somewhere else for a few months you ignorant twat.

As for this board, they’ve basically declared war on the fans. The fans that would pay their last pound to watch the team they love. But who is actually surprised by this? They’re a complete disgrace and are now showing their true colours.

Soren Moyer
228 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:50:15
Unfortunately, I can see comments like "still 57 points left to play for" after today's game! And I'm not even Psychic lol.

Lampard Out!
Kenwright Out!

In that order based on the level of urgency.

Dave Abrahams
229 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:54:43
Kevin (222). Yes Kevin agree protest without any sign of violence is a must today otherwise the whole reason for showing we want this Board gone will be futile.

A Board by the way,let’s be honest here, who haven’t put a penny in towards the building of the new ground and doubtful over the years they contributed to the cost of any transfer fees.

Tony Hill
230 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:55:44
We do Martin @226, but we have a Director problem at the centre. I hope never to see Kenwright or Barrett-Baxendale in the ground again.

As you say, they are seeking to cover their incompetent arses by blaming "the fans" and calling in media support; it is a measure of Kenwright's shamelessness. He is an utter disgrace.

Ian Edwards
231 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:55:51
The conditions of use re posting is interesting and posts directed at me today certainly breach 3, 4 and 8.

I will avoid the live forum today. Bullies win.

Jerome Shields
232 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:55:59
They will probably play ok today with a point to prove.They are well rested and everyone at Finch Farm would have been putting the effort in during the week of the pitch to save their jobs.

Sending the Manager out naked is not a option, NSNOW made sure of that.

'Tarscouseki' has hopefully disappeared of the face of the earth .Doubt is his real name ,a absolute plonker if ever there was one.

Paul Tran
233 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:56:45
One of the many reasons I quit Twitter was the Evertonian performative hysteria, which is even worse than it is on here, egged on by too many who should know better.

Given the racism and bile chucked at Jas Bal, it would not surprise me if they had received threats, be they genuine or internet blowhards. I blame them for many things, but I don't blame them for swerving the game.

Christine Foster
234 Posted 14/01/2023 at 13:58:45
It's all just too convenient, you cannot tell me that there haven't been anger at the board by some nutters every week on social media for years. But to pull the plug on this one? So what was so horrendous, have the police advised them not to attend? What was the exact nature of the risk and have the details been passed to the police?
Iain Johnston
235 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:00:12
So now the Board won't be attending the match on account of fears for their safety!

You couldn't make this shit up.

Martin Farrington
236 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:00:50
Because the unnamed club spokesperson said means it must be true
Check out how many other social media threats when traced have nothing to do with the source aimed at.
Note. It is not Merseyside Police saying this. Nor that they have received a complaint from the club. Nor have they come out to say anything threatening or contravening any law has been forwarded by the club and they are investigating (as I write)
Yes. Trolls and other pond life latch onto these kind of events. Rarely are they anything to do with the cause in question.

Obviously there is a growing unpleasant atmosphere for the directors to contend with.
Imo they are wise to stay away.
Thus avoiding tempting an idiot into stupid behaviour.
It is a fact of life sadly.
In any other business they would be gone

As for Moshris sudden interjection.
Have FSG been on Talksport ?
The Glazers ?
Etc etc.
It seems very desperate and amateur.

I want the players to do something out of the ordinary today.
Play like they have done in rare moments, like a team. And win. They can. I hope they do

Paul Armstrong
237 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:01:01
A cowardly board creating an excuse not to attend? Moronic fans who have today undermined what would have been a powerful demonstration of the feelings of true fans? Either way a pitiful day for our club with the fans ending up being portrayed as the problem. Either way the board has played a blinder.
Paul Tran
238 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:01:50
Dave #206, it was the League Cup game against Southampton, which we lost on penalties. Richarlison's effort sailed miles over the bar.

Given what we watched, my biggest regret was that we didn't stay in the pub. It was far more entertaining.

Ray Roche
239 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:02:22
Edwards @232

No bullying, people just pissed off with you and your posts. Wipe your tears little man.😢

James Head
240 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:02:30
john #220- Any villification of kenwright is fully deserved and is not at all hysterical, you've written " you can see where the perceived threat of violence is absolutely justified ", that is nonsensical, if you honestly believe that this is nothing more than a stunt by the pantomine villain himself well I hope the tooth fairy left you a shilling under your pillow when you lost your wisdom teeth.
I can just see it now, hoards of North face clad hooligans rising from their hiding places in the Main Stand and storming the Directors Box, dragging Kenwright and the mute Sharp from thier luxury seats and carrying them off to Stanley Park to be summarily executed.
James Hughes
241 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:04:16
Paul T. #233 I have seen that abuse has been given at Jas Bal on a couple of posts.
If so that is not acceptable at all, and apologies but on what platform, was it during the meeting?
This is the only social media platform I use so I am always behind the times
Tony Byrne
242 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:04:28
2:0 today.

A peaceful fan protest at the final whistle, to prove once again, we are decent,well behaved fans.

The media creating fake news via our shithouse chairman.

Kevin Molloy
243 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:05:39
Dave yes I see your point. I think though that Moshiri will see this behaviour towards his board as an implicit criticism of him as owner. After all, it's his board. So criticism of his board, is really criticism of him. And that's where I think we are playing with fire. We are saying 'hey you, the chap who's ploughed hundreds of millions into our club, we all think you're an idiot. You need to go'. I don' t think that sort of dialogue ends well for the club.
Nick Page
244 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:05:41
Correct Ray 239. That last post is absolutely unreal. Biggest attention seeker on TW.
Pat Kelly
245 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:07:14
The owner doesn't attend Goodison anymore. And now the Directors aren't. There's a real and credible threat all right. To Everton's safety. What manager or prospective signing would want to get involved with this debacle ?
Chris Corn
246 Posted 14/01/2023 at 14:11:57
Martin Mason, Raymond Fox Chris James and anyone else on this forum. This fan problem ? Please tell me when any of the current board have been physically or verbally abused by a match going Evertonian.

They have been certainly challenged. But to my knowledge no assaults or threats made. The Dutch fella was even big enough to front it and speak to the supporters, whilst collecting his £2m per year to maintain his silence, until he was the fall guy.

If there is any suggestion of threats of any sort of violence, particulalrly towards female members of the board, Merseyside Police will be obliged to record and investigate as there is a national gender based violence initiative or VAWG (Violence
Against Women and Girls) to those unfamiliar.

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