West Ham United vs Everton

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Frank Lampard takes his Everton team to East London this weekend to face his former club and the Toffees' ex-boss, David Moyes, who is also under huge pressure

Crisis-stricken Everton travel to East London on Saturday seeking a victory that would end a three-month stretch without a win and significantly ease concerns over a desperate struggle to avoid relegation this season.

The Blues have picked up all three points in only three Premier League games all season, one of them against this weekend’s opponents, West Ham, in the reverse fixture back in September but since beating Crystal Palace 3-0 the following month, Frank Lampard’s side have gone nine games in all competitions without a win.

That horrendous run, the worst sequence of form in the division and similar to that which lost Rafael Benitez his job a little over a year ago, has seen Everton drop to joint-bottom of the table but Lampard remains in his post so far and takes his charges south to face not only his former club but the Toffees’ ex-manager in the form of David Moyes.

Moyes comes into the weekend under just as much pressure, with some reports suggesting that the West Ham board will sack him if he loses the game to Everton. And not only that, they’re lining Benitez up as his replacement! The Hammers are on the same number of points as the Blues but have won one more match in the League and, on paper, arguably have the more rounded squad.

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Furthermore, Moyes’s team has been bolstered by the arrival this week of striker Danny Ings in an initial £12m deal from Aston Villa. Like Everton, West Ham have struggled to score goals all season, registering just 15 in 19 games and the Scot is hoping that Ings, who has scored goals against the Toffees for four different clubs now — and must surely be odds-on to make it five! — will provide him the cutting edge up front he has been missing.

The 30-year-old will provide immediate cover for Maxwel Cornet and Gianluca Scamacca, two summer signings who are ruled out this weekend through injury together with back-up goalkeeper, Alphonse Areola.

Everton, however, were working on an attacking signing of their own at the time of writing, with a medical believed to have been lined up for Arnaut Danjuma ahead of the completion of a proposed loan move to Goodison Park from Villarreal.

The Blues are reportedly favourites to land him but whether that deal goes through in time for him to be registered and eligible for this weekend’s game remains to be seen, as does his match fitness after not training with his current club for the past week.

His arrival should provide a boost regardless to a team low on morale and wracked by rancour off the pitch as supporters protest against the hierarchy’s running of the club and for wholesale change.

Lampard was asked about the crisis engulfing the club and how he is trying to keep his players focused on the task at hand, particularly as some were confronted by upset fans outside the ground after last Saturday’s home defeat to Southampton.

“It’s challenging,” the manager admitted. “Not all of those things fall under my responsibility. My priority is the football side of things. In a tough run, it’s about how I can lift the players. I’m aware of the noise and it is my job is to push that to the side.

“I’ve spoken to some of the players. This is not just an Everton situation but this club has a unique passion. Sometimes, passion can overspill in a good way, and maybe in minority cases [in a bad way]. The majority just want this team to do well.

“[The fans have] got an absolute right to voice an opinion but of course we don’t want fans going up to players. It’s a minority who have spoken to them. We don’t want that and I’d love to not see that again. But I understand they’re passionate fans.”

As far as matters on the pitch are concerned, Lampard admitted that he had spoken some home truths after the Saints loss.

“If the players in the dressing room are disappointed we lost then that's good,” he explained. “If they want to fight and be a good teammate, not think about themselves, think about the team and try to get the result the next week and train great intensity, whether they are starting or not, that is all I want.

“They have to think about what is the way out of difficult moments. I've been in many in my career and the only way is work; the only way is focus and the only way is being unselfish about it, putting yourself to the limit and that is exactly where we are.”

Given that it is an away game, Lampard is expected to set his team up with a five-man back line, at least from the beginning, with the same starting XI that started against Southampton.

A win for Everton could lift them back out of the bottom three and, perhaps, as high as 14th place depending on how results go elsewhere but everyone connected with the club would simply be happy to end this long winless run.

Kick-off: 3pm, Saturday 21 January, 2023
Referee: Stuart Attwell
VAR: Andre Marriner
Last Time: West Ham United 2 - 1 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Godfrey, Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gueye, Onana, Iwobi, Gray, Calvert-Lewin


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Neil Lawson
1 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:25:26
If Lampard sends out the same 11 usual suspects then he is sealing his own fate. If he is a credible manager he has to prove it and to take brave and sensible decisions. We will all have our own thoughts upon the team line up but it has to be freshened with an altered approach. Mina is a warrior and should play. We need at least 3 proper midfielders !( perhaps 4 ) who can run and tackle, hence McNeill, Iwobi and Godfrey (whatever his role) should not be on the pitch. DCL needs regular service/support. Not quite dogs of war but let's see 11 players battling, looking to go forwards and utterly committed to the cause.
Lyndon Lloyd
2 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:38:26
I agree he should, Neil. And after last week I’d be surprised if he didn’t make at least one change but he’s also been pretty faithful to the same group of players.

I, too, would like to see Mina come in, probably for Coady. We’ll see if it’s the same XI again, though, on Saturday…

Anthony Flack
3 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:56:53
I'm not sure there's many real options to be brave…

Davies for Gueye?

Maupay, McNeil Gordon - no thanks!

Maybe go 4-4-2:



Sean Roe
4 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:02:18
I can't see us winning as West Ham have too many good players that can change a game. I hope we can scrape a draw and it will 1. Seal the fate of a man who should've gone after the Bournemouth mauling, and 2. At least keep us in the running for whoever takes over next.
Steve Brown
5 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:05:25
Gutted to see that we have lost out to Mick McCarthy as our next manager. He has taken the Blackpool job.
Nick Page
6 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:12:30
If Yerry Mina plays we have a chance. In fact he’s the only hope I think we have considering his influence on games. Keeping him fit physically/mentally though is the challenge. Play Godfrey LB cos the Ukrainian is fucking terrible. I’d even play Holgate RB. We’re away from home and pressure is on them so let’s not give them a free fucking pass eh Everton!! Fortune favours the brave.
Danny Baily
7 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:14:32
Sean 4, I genuinely believe that we're not in the running at the moment, let alone after the West Ham game. Seven wins from our remaining games is two or three too many as I see it. The fightback begins in August.
Sean Roe
8 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:21:28
I think you're probably right Danny, but I would at least want us to go down fighting. We certainly won't get that under Lampard.
Danny O’Neill
9 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:38:24
The fightback starts tomorrow. It must do.

The reset (again) starts in August.

I'll be fighting tomorrow. Not in the physical sense, just with all my heart and soul, wishing I could be on that pitch. Those players best had be feeling the same.

Over the years, Everton have disappointed me, let me down and then elated me to the point that only my marriage and birth of my son can surpass.

I can't hate them, I wouldn't know how to.

Tomorrow we go to support the team. The circus can carry on in the background. Tomorrow is about the team and getting a result.

Rob Halligan
10 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:50:30
Spot on, Danny. Leave all the negativity at home. Our last two aways have shown plenty of fight. West Ham are no great shakes, despite what one or two say on here. They are where they are, exactly like us, shite. If they had that many good players they wouldn’t be joint bottom of the league.
Steve Brown
11 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:54:08
Good article by Phil McNulty on the BBC Sport website.

This segment says it all:

‘Moshiri has sacked Roberto Martinez, Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva and Rafael Benitez.’

‘It has resulted in a Frankenstein's monster of a squad - the starting 11 in the 2-1 home defeat by Southampton featuring players acquired by six different managers.“

Peter Carpenter
12 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:56:36
It's got to help being far away from the Goodison psycho-drama-panto-farce. Be bold, Everton. Go out and grab this one by the balls.
Pete Clarke
13 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:01:09
I wouldn’t exactly call Mina a warrior. He does get under the oppositions skin a bit but his habit of pulling up injured makes him unreliable. He does have a goal in him now and then if he stays on the pitch though.
I would love to see us get plenty of crosses in to give DCL something to get on to and Lampard has to get this drummed into his players to get ball over first time. I’m sick of this check and pass the ball backwards.
Crucial battle in the middle so Gana will have to win that and allow Iwobi to try and create something which will be a miracle if he does.
Fingers crossed we all feel a bit relieved come Saturday night.
Mark Murphy
14 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:03:23
"Godfrey should not be on the pitch"?? Your opinion and your entitled to it but I fervently disagree. He's one of the very few I'd be looking to keep in this this team. Stick him on Ings like he stuck to Haaland and the bulldog faced gobshite wont get a sniff!
I must be mad as I'm looking forward to going tomorrow.
Tap East anyone??
Neil Lawson
15 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:08:48
Lyndon and I are in agreement that Lampart must refresh the line up. I am absolutely confident that everyone on TW would agree. Lyndon and I are also in agreement that the likely line up is probably correct. I am equally confident that everyone on TW will moan, groan and despair if that line up is announced.
Eric Myles
16 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:28:58
Telegraph are reporting that if WHU lose Moyes will be sacked and become favourite to take over at Everton!
Steve Brown
17 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:31:46
El Sackiko.
Mark Murphy
18 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:43:12
Neil I totally agree.
Where I struggle is getting our best eleven players into our best eleven on the pitch.
Or should that be least worst eleven?
My team for tomorrow would be:
Coleman (capt),Tarks, Mina, Godfrey,
Iwobi, O'nana, Gana,Gordon
DCL, Gray
Bill Gienapp
19 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:44:35
Saying Lampard needs to mix it up is all well and good, but the problem is there are only so many viable alternatives. It's a shame Garner got hurt, because I have a feeling he would have gotten some real minutes this month. If we're playing a back five, I wouldn't mind seeing Vinagre given a crack at left wingback, but the fact he doesn't even make the bench most weeks suggests Lampard doesn't rate him at all.

On a side note, I don't get the Moyes shouts at all. West Ham are literally every bit as bad as us with a much better squad, so why on earth would he turn around and magically fix things here? The old teary-eyed "he gets the club" romanticism? Spare me.

Paul Hewitt
20 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:45:05
Eric@16. Hopefully Moyes will let us win tomorrow then.
Brent Stephens
21 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:45:34
Steve #11 "...the starting 11 in the 2-1 home defeat by Southampton featuring players acquired by six different managers."

Yes, Steve, I think players are bought to match a preferred system but we seemingly have a variety of players all suited to different systems. A lack of continuity and therefore coherence on and off the pitch.

Anthony Dove
22 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:49:57
They hate Frank at West Ham so friendship is going to be in short supply for him
tomorrow. At least the boot is on the other foot as the home crowd will turn toxic
if we can keep West Ham at bay for twenty minutes, or even better(however improbable)
score an early goal.

If we do happen to lose then there is at least the silver lining of Moyes staying out The speculation surrounding his possible return every time we sack or are about to sack the manager is the worst part of the Everton managerial merry go round.

Newspapers report he still has admirers at Goodison. Now I wonder who that might

Danny O’Neill
23 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:54:31
Eric, that sounds awful.

In that scenario, we beat a team that end up in a worse position than us, drag ourselves out of the relegation zone and then end up with their failed manager. The board dancing like it's 2002 and the inner circle further cemented with another willing disciple.

No. If he get's sacked, he has yet again failed everywhere since leaving a club that he never won anything with in 11 years. Despite telling us he hadn't been talking to his new employer even though we knew he was.

And second comings? Well, that went well for Howard Kendall and if I may, Dog-Leash. Never go back as they often say.

That's not at you Eric by the way. Just me getting more and more frustrated as I try to prepare and pick myself up for tomorrow.

Dave Williams
24 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:58:20
Mark- that’s what I’d go for too! Ben was very good when he started as a LB and he gives us pace to cover the CBS.
I’m not sure about Coady- is he a shouter trying to cover up his own deficiencies? Mina will get stuck in and is a big threat at set pieces. If our attitude is right we can win this.
Over to Frank!!
Kevin Molloy
25 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:06:20
I'm hoping for a nice lovely draw. That way Moyes gets sacked, and hopefully so does our useless coach. We then grab Moyes for free for the last week of the window. It's the only explanation for why we've not moved against Frank before, we've been waiting for Davey.
Tony Abrahams
26 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:06:28
I’m not sure that it’s a compliment Lyndon, but that’s exactly what I would also do! I’d replace Coady, with Mina, and I’d also play Godfrey at fullback. (Not a chance says Frank?)

4-5-1. Iwobi, and McNeil out wide, Gueye and Onana, with Gordon, just a little touch ahead of them.

Horribly defensive I know, but we simply haven’t got that many good offensive players. You could swap Gray, for McNeil, but then if things are going wrong, who are we going to bring on that might add a bit of craft, because I also wouldn’t expect Gordon, to complete the 90 minutes.

It’s that bad, I would possibly even play Doucoure in the three man midfield, to try and get a real foothold in the game. If I did this I would start Gray, out wide, and keep Gordon on the bench, or maybe even try and be clever, and leave DCL, on the bench, and alternate Gordon and Gray, as the furthest player forward, in a false number nine.

I’m aware it’s baffling, but it’s not as baffling as picking the same players once again, imo.

David Peate
27 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:18:57
It is significant that, on Everton FC's website, the last item of "What the papers say" is dated 13th January. Are the club's web officials scared to report what is actually being said in the media?
Raymond Fox
28 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:23:40
Every away game is super tough to win, if we do win at West Ham we need luck on our side for a change.
As for those calling for Frank to change his selections, he doesn't exactly have many different options to choose from.
Their as desperate as we are for a win so they will be right up for the game.

I'm just praying we can click for a change and score a couple goals.

Cristobal Aguirre
29 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:25:23
My team 5-3-2: Pickford, Coleman, Coady,Mina, Tarkowski, Mykolenko; Onana,Price, Doucoure; DCL, Simms.

I think we can lose just 1 or 2-0 with this line up or in a lucky day to take a draw.

If the likes of Gray, Gordon,Gueye, Godfrey, Patterson, Davies or Iwobi play, no chance to avoid a big defeat.

My prediction: WHU 2 Everton 1 (of course Onana goal).

Gary Johnson
30 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:31:17
Their stadium still has fans way back from pitch, and if we can somehow get noses in front, any atmosphere they do generate will be at least as miserable and toxic as our last three home games here. A win is doable, albeit unlikely.

Play fast counter system. Take a knife to Davies knife fight.

Godfrey Mina Tarks
Iwobi Onana Gana Vinagre
DCL Simms

Laurie Hartley
31 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:34:03
Play the long ball.

Coleman, Mina, Tarkowski, Mykolenko
Doucoure, Gueye, Onana, Davies,
Tell Davies to stick to Bowan like glue.

Neil Lawson
32 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:44:21
Laurie 31 to replace Lampard on Monday but perhaps Godfrey for Myko ? I could be assistant.
Eric Myles
33 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:47:30
Danny, it sounded odd to me.

If Moyes loses and gets sacked he becomes favourite for our job?

But if Frank wins, doesn't that mean his job is safe(er at least)?

Or is Kevin's duplicitous scenario at #25 the likely outcome.

Would Moyes even consider coming back when we are in such a bad situation? I know we were when he joined us but after years of working our way up I felt that he left 'cos he was tired of Billy Bullshit not supporting him.

James Hughes
34 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:52:19
I really despair when I see posts like Kevin @ 25
what is this continued love-in with Dour Dave. ?

11 years of Feck all and KITAP1 and knives, glass ceilings. Once and for all FUCK OFF MOYES

Barry Rathbone
35 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:11:53
James 34

I do agree.

If you do a forensic analysis on our present death throes the trail shows the original bullets were supplied by Kenwright and fired by hitman Moyes. Once "knives to a gunfight" became our motto it was only a matter of time before we imploded.

Paul Hewitt
36 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:12:00
James@34. Correct, who wants to finish in the top 7 most seasons.?
Paul Smith
37 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:12:15
Hoping for a good win tomorrow, if nothing else to keep that David Moyes away from our club. In what universe can ppl countenance him returning. Honesty!
Paul Cherrington
38 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:14:33
Totally agree with Neil @1 - Lampard need to be brave from now on and stop playing the same old players who continue to let us down as much as he can. I know he can only do so much in terms of team selection but there are options.

Why not do something different and surprise West Ham with a 4-1-3-2? I think we play better with a back 4 anyway and this would still give the defence protection from the 1 in front shielding them.

The key is that whoever that player is must be disciplined positionally and not move much from where they should be. Carsley used to play that role brilliantly on his own years ago, so it can be done.

I don't think Gana can do it as he wanders at times and seems to let people run off him or not be aware of what's around him. Same with Onana who would be better centrally in the 3 in front. This is where being brave comes in for the manager - why not try the young lad Price there or Holgate if you want more experience?

For the back 4, why not try Vinagre at left back for the struggling Mykolenko? Coady and Tarkowski haven't looked too great of late so why not try putting the young lad Welch in alongside one of them instead? If you think he is not ready yet, why not bring Keane in to partner Tarkowski? I know Keane has his own faults, but I seem to remember their partnership at Burnley was decent enough.

Would also give Mills a run in one of the wide spots of the 3 behind the attackers to freshen it up. This formation would give us 2 up top as well which should help us score goals. Would go with DCL and Gray for now but Simms if DCL is not fit.

No guarantees it would work but it would at least be trying something different than the groundhog day we see every match at the minute.

Derek Knox
39 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:19:52
James @ 34, I never hated Moyes and he WAS a safe pair of hands at the slightly overstayed time, like you alluded to, that Glass Ceiling was always too far out of reach, but in fairness to Davey, he was never showered with Wonga, like many of his successors were.

Also have to reiterate my firm belief, that it never works out with either a player, or a Manager, going back for a second spell, and being better than the first time.

Danny O’Neill
40 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:27:24
It's an odd stadium Gary.

You feel very detached from the pitch despite it looking impressive.

I'm getting into match day mode and the politics can wait.

Meeting with a friend at St Pancras tomorrow then onto the London Stadium. Son and girlfriend present; her first introduction to Everton.

What have I done to these people?

I'm looking forward to it as always.

See some of the gang there.

Eric Myles
41 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:36:08
James #34, I suspect Kevin as being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

When will someone invent a sarcasm font????

Mark Ryan
42 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:49:10
Moyes to return ? ffs c'mon. Years of mediocrity for us. Mediocrity everywhere else too, Utd, Real Soc, Sunderland, West Ham. West Ham rock bottom like us and some want him back. Why on earth ? Anyway back to the real world. Someone fucking man mark Ings tomorrow ffs
Kevin Molloy
43 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:53:52
haha, sorry Eric no I'm in deadly earnest. We are not in a position to pick and choose. We need a seasoned professional who is used to operating in these stressful circumstances. The stench of mid table would be sweetest smell on earth right now for Everton. We need to understand the shit we are in, and how we are going to get out of it. Moyes is superb in the bargain basement, give him the last week of the. window he'll get the players that get us to fourth bottom. Job done.
Ray Smith
44 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:57:33
What price, Ings to come off the bench and score tomorrow!
Pure theatre, right up BK’s street.
You couldn’t make it up!
So it’s a 2-1 win for us 🤞🤞🤞
Danny O’Neill
45 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:05:44
That's the spirit Ray.

There will be 11 players on the pitch tomorrow privileged enough to wear the Royal Blue shirt. Others on the bench, privileged to be sat there.

They will be encouraged by thousands of us in the away end willing them on to win.

I hope the players and squad are listening to the song. Show some spirit because there is no way we are going to fail.

I hope they are feeling like me. I have knots in my stomach.

Bill Gall
46 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:07:30
My anniversary tomorrow, please don't ruin my weekend Everton, I know winning is a rare occasion but you have to do it sometime why not tomorrow.
Eric Myles
47 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:08:50
Begs the question though Kevin, why isn't he saving WHU in the way you expect him to save us?
Kevin Molloy
48 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:12:18
Eric yes absolutely that's a fair question. My view is that it is the same problem he had with United. He doesn't have the skill set to jump from very good to excellent. I think West Ham put him under pressure this summer to go large, and he doesn't really like doing that. He has a skillset much more suited to what we need, organisation and bargain hunting.
Joe McMahon
49 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:16:29
Kevin, he couldn't even do what Big Sam managed to at Sunderland. They were awful under Moyes and of course were relegated even with Pickford.
Danny O’Neill
50 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:17:34
Here's to a very, very happy anniversary Bill.


Kevin Molloy
51 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:18:38
Sunderland were doomed at that point Joe. I agree it wasn't his finest hour, but just look at the job he's done for West Ham up until the Summer. absolutely fantastic. He's also a conscientious decent chap, we know if he comes here it's not about ripping us off or the money, he will try his damndest to keep us up.
Ajay Gopal
52 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:18:52
There is no way that David Moyes should be considered for Everton's managerial vacancy if Everton were to lose and Lampard were to get sacked. I am, of course, hoping for a win, in which case, Lampard keeps his job at least for the next few games.

In my opinion, Lampard's best chance to win this game is to pack the back 4 with central defenders (like Ancelotti) and a midfield 4 with Gana and Davies staying anchored and Iwobi and Onana rampaging forward to support Gray and Calvert-Lewin.

Holgate Coady Tarkowski Godfrey
Iwobi Davies Gana Onana

With some decent back-up firepower on the bench in Gordon, McNeil, Simms, Doucoure, etc. This is not a bad team; if Lampard cannot get this team to go toe-to-toe with West Ham in the position they are in, then I don't think he deserves to stay. Sack him and get in one of Bielsa/Nuno/Dyche/Scott Parker. All 4 have experience in getting their teams promoted from the Championship! :-)

Derek Knox
53 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:20:30
Kevin @ 48, like the TV Show Bargain Hunt, if he did come to us, would probably be given £300 and half an hour to buy 3 players and make a profit on them. :-)
Kevin Molloy
54 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:25:04
Derek yes. I'm sure he'll make that 300 quid go further than Farhad did with his 300 million.
Colin Malone
55 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:26:58
I agree with your Vinagre choice. I would also give Maupay a go, just behind DCL.
Eric Myles
56 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:27:46
Maybe true Kevin, he did get WHU to the Europa semi finals last season.
James Hughes
57 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:29:07
Paul #36 that is something dour Dave has managed once at west ham and is currently in the same position as us.

Yes bring back the saviour he gets us

Derek Wadeson
58 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:29:18
In what seems a lifetime ago of parting company with managers, Walter Smith said at the beginning of his final season at Everton. At the halfway stage of the season every team is playing for ten points and what he meant by that although I didn’t quite get it at the time was.

After 19/20 games every team wishes they had 10 extra points and if you look at the table as it stands in the current 22-23 season. By doing this math you come up with.

Everton would have 25 points and be 12th in the table
Aston Villa would have 35 points and be in the top 6
Liverpool would have 38 points and be in the top 4
Manchester Utd would have 49 points and be top of the league

You can do the same with all the other sixteen clubs and see what this would bring them. For those extra ten points, teams at the top would be looking at 3 wins and a draw. Teams like Everton would be looking for 2 wins and 4 draws.

So by doing this you can go through our matches and see where we could have turned defeats in draws and draws into victories. As Everton have been beaten 10 times this season and drawn 6 games we have plenty of games to choose from for those extra points.

The glass half full in me tells me it is feasible for Everton to do this and turn a bottom three team into a team halfway up the table by the end of the season. Sadly what is going on behind the scenes currently tells me this is more unlikely by each game whoever you point the finger at as to who is to blame.

I live in hope and pray for three points at West Ham.

Derek Knox
59 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:34:35
Derek w @ 58, I remember that from Walter Smith, and he was right of course. Just think how easily we could have had those ten points just at GP this season, against teams we should have beaten, but by poor management, and lack of tactics, late substitutions, and not maintaining a lead etc ?
Danny O’Neill
60 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:35:41
I'm not sure why we're talking about David Moyes. Maybe I'm guilty too.

And he's a second cousin removed. We are related.

This about Everton beating West Ham and getting 3 points. I don't care for David Moyes' future or who our next manager may or may not be.

See you at the match. Or online. Or with those who will get up at some ridiculous hour to be there alongside the team.

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:37:51
Sometimes I find it very, very hard, not to shake my head, at some of the things people write on these pages. I’m aware I do it myself, but come on Kevin M, think about it a bit more mate, unless you genuinely do think that David Moyes, is a conscientious decent chap.

I agree that Moyes would try his hardest to keep Everton up, and I actually think that he might even be the ‘short term answer’, such is the ineptitude that Frank Lampard, has shown, but I can’t agree with you about anything else you say about David Moyes, though Kevin, unless I go back to your previous post, about Moyes, managerial level.

Kevin Molloy
62 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:41:39
he left Everton without breaking his contract. He voluntarily resigned from Sunderland, thereby saving the club millions. He may be infuriating or whatever, but I think he's entitled to 'decent' certainly in the context of professional football
Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:43:05

I bet cousin Moyes is life of the party at your family get togethers. Where’s Eugene?

Kevin Molloy
64 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:43:10
I'm discussing David Moyes because
1 we play his team tomorrow
2 he is very likely to get sacked
3 we will very likely be looking for a new manager very soon
4 Bill will be doing the looking.
Eric Myles
65 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:51:47
4 Bill will be doing the looking.

Scary thought.

Danny O’Neill
66 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:54:47
In fairness to him as a person Kieran, he hosted my sister and brother at Bellefield and was also very hospitable to my cousins at a wedding in a hotel near Bolton many years ago.

But the second coming of mediocracy? No thanks.

Now I've fallen into the trap and I'm discussing Moyes. I'm a hypocrite!!

Eric Myles
67 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:56:24
So those that don't want Moyes as our next manager pray for a WHU win.

And those that want Lampard sacked pray for a WHU win.

So we're in a lose - lose situation that will mke everyone happy.

Danny O’Neill
68 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:01:07
Confused by that Eric. I think that just about every single one of us want Everton to win tomorrow.
Tony Abrahams
69 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:01:08
Fair enough Kevin, but I see things differently mate.

Benitez is allegedly a very horrible man, but he did the honorable thing by Liverpudlians, imo, when he went to war with his bosses, because they were simply not good enough, and also had ulterior motives, which were slowly destroying their club.

Moyes got in bed with Kenwright, and chose to become one of the highest paid managers, in world football, whilst accepting that our owner could never take us forward, but chose to keep his mouth shut, and further his career instead.

He really thought he’d made it when he got to United, but it was a totally different environment to the one in which he had excelled in at Everton, and suddenly he found himself at a very demanding club, where it is all about winning, and he was found out very quickly.

I’d have had a lot more respect for David Moyes, if he would have done the decent thing by Evertonians, instead of reveling in plucky little Everton, and taking massive praise for getting them to punch above their weight.

I understood we had the 8th highest wage bill, and his average league position was 7th, so he did a decent job, but I definitely think first and foremost, that he looked after number one, more than anyone else in the process.

Kevin Molloy
70 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:09:21
yes I see why he doesn't float your boat. I think though your analysis is a little unfair, insofar as Moyes didn't have our perspectives. When he joined Everton they were on their arse, and were always skint. He wasn't there for Bayern Munich, he doesn't have that memory. As far as he's concerned he took over a mediocre club and turned them into European hoefuls. I don't hold that against him, he came too late to the party.
And it would be taking 'decency't to a whole new level to expect a chap to go to war with his boss who is paying him four million quid a year, and allowing him to run the whole show no questions asked.
Eric Myles
71 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:10:27
Me too Danny #68 but by all accounts (speculation) that gives us either;

Lampard remains manager, which it seems the majority don't want.


Moyes gets sacked and we sack Lampard to get Moyes, which it seems the majority don't want.

Lose - Lose.

Eric Myles
72 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:15:55
Tony #69, what would "the decent thing to do by Evertonians" have been?
Colin Malone
73 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:20:52
The buck stops at the manager. A young manager, who is still learning his trade.
I honestly believe, Frank needs a change of coaching personnel. We have a failed manager in Paul Clement.
Sacked by Reading, after nine months.
Sacked by Cercle Brugge. one win in 13 games.
Sacked by Derby County.
Sacked by Swansea.
Coached under Ancellotti ????. Does that make him a great coach?
Does it make big Dunc, a great coach?
Does it make Davide Ancellotti, a great coach?
No, No and no.
Look back on Howard Kendalls bad times.How did he remedy the situation?
We need a proper international coach.
This is not personal, Clement.
Just strictly business.
Kieran Kinsella
74 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:21:56
I've seen WHU get relegated 5 times. I've never seen Everton get relegated. Therefore a relegated Everton team must be fantasy kind of like a unicorn or a fairy.
Danny O’Neill
75 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:27:51
You're fine Eric.

As long as we win tomorrow and I'm buying the drinks in Camden, that's all that matters.

I'll start the politics around 5:30am Sunday morning, probably with one eye closed!!!!

Jonathan Tasker
76 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:45:13
I don’t want Lampard.
And I don’t want Moyes
Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:47:56
Explain to Evertonians, that Bill Kenwright, was not really trying to sell Everton, and he chose to sell everything else, including two training grounds and the finest young talent of many generations, before he thought of selling our club.

In other words, choose Evertonians, and go to war with his boss, Eric, but as Kevin said, he was earning far to much money, and was also on easy street, which I think is something he really found out for himself, the minute he left Everton.

Reading it again Kevin, it’s obvious that us Evertonians, have alsohelped destroy our club, by accepting mediocrity for way to long.

Barry Jones
78 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:48:26
Do you live in London Danny?
Danny O’Neill
79 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:48:46
I want 3 points.

I'd like to sleep tonight but I'm not sure I will.

Danny O’Neill
80 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:52:12
Yes Barry. Had the family down here for a while now and we've settled here.

West London, Uxbridge to be precise.

Barry Jones
81 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:56:10
OK. I know it. I saw Spike Milligan perform at Uxbridge University many years ago. I studied at UCL. I live in Canada now (via Bermuda) but I still have friends living in Parsons Green that I visit (Chelsea season ticket holders of course). Its a great city. Camden is lovely too.
Barry Jones
82 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:58:46
Brunel, I believe is the Uni.
Bill Fairfield
83 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:59:59
Here we are on the eve of the twentieth game of the season
and the manager is telling the team some home truths. Don’t think the care or listen Frank.
Just showing a bit of urgency would be a start.
Pete Clarke
84 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:08:38
There’s another Kenwright blunder. He set David Moyes mind to accept that he was doing a good job instead of putting pressure on him to be ruthless.
In all honesty Moyes started off well and had us playing good football for a while with some astute signings but then he came out with the “ knives to gunfight “ speech and that was his surrender. I couldn’t stand him after that. He got touched up by Alex Ferguson so should have resigned instead of being waved off by blue Bill on his last game like some hero. A proper owner would have sacked him.
He then comes back to Everton and belittles us because we won’t let our best players go to United and enhance their careers.
Not for me in a million years. If he’s that good he would be making sure West Ham put Everton to the sword.
What I’m hoping for is that Everton somehow put West Ham to the sword and Moyes is left to deal with the fallout from West Ham supporters.
Danny O’Neill
85 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:08:58
Brunel is literally a 15 minute walk from where I live.

Fantastic sports facilities that we used to access for the Hayes & Yeading youth teams.

It's really been invested in and grown over the the last decade or so.

Used as a base and training camp for the French team during the Rugby World Cup last hosted here.

Barry Jones
86 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:09:13
I just cant see us getting a result. We don't have the creativity in midfield or the punch up front. We are too scared to get men forward in numbers as we know we will cough up possession. Now, we also seem to be porous in defense, which I though was our best unit earlier in the season.
Barry Jones
87 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:09:46
I hope I'm wrong
Barry Jones
88 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:12:44
I used to play football against Brunel in the university league. I bet the place has changed enormously, as you say.
Eric Myles
89 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:12:58
Tony #77, I'm aware of what Kenwright has done to our Club but is it really the team coache's remit to get involved in the machinations of the owner? His remit is to get points on the board, not to dictate the financial ins and outs of the company.

Would your company directors let you tell them what to do? Or if you are the director would you listen to the tea lady?

I worked in a multi national corporation where it was my job to give advice to directors. It was fully their responsibility to make decisions and either listen to my advice, ignore it, or come to a compromise. Never complained either way as it was not my company, they knew better than me the corporate structure and culture.

But I do beleive Moyes was not happy with his lot in the final stages which is why he voted with his feet.

David Cooper
90 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:42:03
Danny #85 and Barry #86, we lived in West Drayton before coming to Canada and knew Brunel well. Not sure it is called Brunel anymore?
David Cooper
91 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:44:01
I was wrong! Still called Brunel!
Nick Page
92 Posted 20/01/2023 at 15:44:02
Anyone seen the odds on Ings to score? Asking for a friend…
Graham Coldron
93 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:23:55
Pete, spot on with your comment @84.Moyes knew exactly what he was doing when Bacon Face contacted him. No mention of an illegal approach as the justification in the media was "well when Sir Lex rings you don't say no".

Plus "never go back".

Avoid a Moyes return in every respect.

Mark Ryan
94 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:30:47
Nick @ 92 nailed on
Colin Quinney
95 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:40:47
Everton have apparently announced 2 new signings... personal bodyguards for Kenwright and Barret-Baxendale!
Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:50:07
I thought Moyes had a very good team when he left Everton (but he never had a big enough squad) and I think his other teams that were comparable were the one that lost at Wembley (minus a few players) and the one that lost to Fiorentina, although I personally put a lot of the blame for that defea on our manager.

I'm not arguing with you or Kevin, Eric, I'm just giving my version of how I had began to see David Moyes towards the end of his Everton career, when I had personally started to boycott home games because I felt that the manager and the owner were in bed together; this, imo, wasn't for the good of Everton FC.

Moyes never had enough respect for Everton imo. It was probably only after he had left that he maybe realised this was because of Bill Kenwright, who was never really good enough for what Everton Football Club had always stood for.

They pissed in each other's pockets but in any other era, I don't believe either of them would have lasted long at Everton. Something that is obviously just hearsay and could never be proven, either way

David Currie
97 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:00:02
4-5-1 Gk Pickford RB Holgate CB Mina CB keane LB Godfrey
RM Iwobi CM Onana CM Gueye CM Gordon LM Gray
play Gordon as the attacking CM player.

Brian Hennessy
98 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:09:43
Lose and we are in deep, deep trouble. Win or draw and we could be a few weeks away from Moyes returning with the teary eyed liar clapping him onto the pitch.

The joys of being an Evertonian

Dale Self
99 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:10:56
This is Frank's last chance not necessarily ours.
Matthew Williams
100 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:18:47
Let's see...

Where away from home.
Our current form is dogshit.
We never seem to win in the "Big Smoke"... unless we're playing Charlton!
The Hammer's need a win badly too.
We're up against a former Manager.
Our club at the moment is in fucking turmoil.

It not looking good is it!... another defeat looming methinks.

Peter Carpenter
101 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:19:35
Poor Bill. He wants both teams to lose tomorrow to realise his dream.
Nick Page
102 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:22:10
Moyes won't come back to Everton – he doesn't need it – and Kenwright won't be showing his bloated grid anywhere near Goodison Park for the foreseeable future.

Regardless if he's sacked I just can't see it. And he won't get sacked anyway cos we'll get beaten tomorrow. Again.

Luke Welch
103 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:23:07
Can't see a win tomorrow, not with the same set of players!

Expecting a loss and Frank to begone.

Christy Ring
104 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:32:07
I thought Moyes did a good job here apart from signing a striker, but I’ll blame Kenwright for that as well. But I definitely wouldn’t take him back because of the sneaky way he left the club. He was offered a new contract, but said nothing at the time, but Alex Ferguson had him poached with 6 months left on his contract, which was illegal as he was still under contract and he hadn’t the decency or honour to respect Everton. Then he offered £27m for Fellaini and Baines, a total insult. No thanks burnt his bridges in my opinion
Ray Roche
105 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:49:56
I agree with that Christy. He shat on us while groveling around Fergie. Bridges well and truly burnt.
However, I wish we had the team that he built, with a young Coleman, Baines, Jags, Distin, Hibbert, Pienaar, Osman, Cahill, Yakubu, Arteta, Howard, Lescott. that side would batter the present incumbents and would be looking at a top four finish these days.
Denis Richardson
106 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:01:45
Big big game this.


(Post game manager swap I'm predicting.)

Dale Self
107 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:09:27
There is a despicable show on in the States called 'Wife Swap'. This episode would be like switching out for the grandma.
Denis Richardson
108 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:10:11
Christy 104, Moyes wanted to leave as far back as 2008. When he joined he was on £350k/year, then got an uplift to £1.5m/year that took him to 2008. Around this time he was really believing his own hype (admittedly he'd done a really good job till then) and was waiting for a 'bigger' club to swoop down and take him to elevated heights.

Obviously no 'bigger' club made an approach (I distinctly remember a cringeworthy interview he gave where he thought he was about to be handed the Spurs job), and he became bitter after that. It then became about the money and he got the club to give him a £4m/year 5 year contract, effectively saying pay me that or I walk. Kenwright gave him the contract (making him one of the best paid football managers in the world at that time) and he then just ran it down to 2013. He never had any intention of staying longer and mentally was probably gone by 2010/2011, just going through the motions.

He was a great manager for us to around 2008 then I lost faith in him. Many Utd took him as he was free - obviously didn't work out too well.

At least we got rid of a few crocks when he went to Sunderland.

Jon Bentley
109 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:29:43
Danny Ings 13/8 to score at any time with Paddy Power

They're practically giving money away!!

Anthony Dove
110 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:33:39
I despair that ten years after he left, and when he is on the verge of being sacked
for the third or fourth time since he left there are still some out there championing
Moyes return. Having said that there will be those out there who would support the
return of Benitez or Allardyce. Why not Neil Warnock? He was always successful
in the Championship.
Frank please get us at least a point tomorrow and steady the ship.
Tom Bowers
111 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:38:23
Hard to expect anything from tomorrow's game.
We can't seem to win any game home or away against anyone.

Law of averages says we have to turn the corner sometime but with
our strike force we have to get really lucky.

Of course West Ham now have Ings and you just know he will score
tomorrow. Sod's law right.

Trossard gone, Wood gone, Ings gone so no strikers available- right?

Everton looking for over the hill no-names on loan, isn't that encouraging when your at the bottom ????

Ernie Baywood
112 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:51:05
There isn't exactly a bench player who 'has to start'. No-one has cast themselves in that kind of light.

I think we pretty much know what we'll get by now. There'll be effort, and I don't question that. There will be a lack of attacking threat and quality in front of goal. There will be a lack of quality on the ball which means we'll be defending for large portions of the game. And we won't have players who can improve that situation.

West Ham have more talent than us. They'll be better in those areas.

We basically have to hope that West Ham either don't turn up, or hope that we get some luck.

Nothing has changed. I don't see how we can expect anything different.

Danny O’Neill
113 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:56:29
Barry, say your prayers because we're going in tomorrow to get a result.

Tony, you make a really good point.

Like just about most Everton managers from Moyes and since, our first eleven, certainly under Martinez, Silva, Koeman and Ancelotti, was a match for most teams.

We had a good 14 under those managers. But scratch the surface and we were weak once the inevitable injuries and suspensions kicked in.

In the modern game, to be competitive, you have to have a squad. I think City could put out 2 teams that could compete at the top end of them Premier League.

Or you have to get lucky like lucifer's children across the park seem to have done over recent years. Very few injuries to key players in a small squad.

But generally, you now need strength and quality in numbers.

Len Hawkins
114 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:57:41
Mmmm Relegation or Moyes back what a choice it's like an executioner asking which way you'd rather die being skinned alive or having a red hot poker shoved up your jacksie.
Bobby Mallon
115 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:01:21
Ladies, gents and whatever you want to be called. Tomorrow we are going to win 3.0. Anthony Gordon will get two and Simms 1 we are not going down but we will get rid of that toxic board
Danny O’Neill
116 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:09:44
Get in Bobby.

Breakfast near King's Cross tomorrow before jumping the fast train to Stratford from St Pancras.

We can do this Everton

Peter Carpenter
117 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:11:24
I love you, Bobby.
Barry Hesketh
118 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:12:09
Len @114
Who's to say Moyes back and relegated? As it happens I don't think whatever the scoreline tomorrow that Moyes will make a return to Goodison, unless he's in charge of the opposition. A draw tomorrow is my prediction, and I can't see Lampard being sacked either, we can't afford the payoff.
Gerry Western
119 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:15:08
It’s hard to believe some are championing the reuniting of Bill and Ben the flower pot men. We’ve been a laughing stock in terms of managerial appointments and player acquisitions since Martinez left.

I shudder to think how we’ll be looked upon if West Ham stay up having sacked Moyes and we go down having hired him. Things might look bad now but that really would be beyond the pale.

Danny O’Neill
120 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:23:06
Gerry, stop making me laugh out loud.

I'm being watched!!


Bill Fairfield
121 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:26:35
After the hiring of the Spaniard, I should think anything is possible,under this crackpot owner.
Jay Harris
122 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:27:47
In terms of formation and tactics I would go back to the Ancelotti formula and play:

Godfrey Tarkowski Mina Holgate
Doucoure Gana Onana Iwobi
Calvert-Lewin Gray

KITAP1 give Moyes a taste of his own medicine.

Mykolenko has been distinctly poor recently and Seamus is showing his age although still showing an example to the others.

Tony Hill
123 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:29:26
Bobby @115,

I don't think we'll get relegated either. This is a necessary purging and we will emerge stronger. I still say that Lampard is a great deal tougher than we are inclined to believe and, as Tony Abrahams has said above, we must not yield.

If, however, we do get relegated then at least we are likely to be breathing much cleaner air. We are already enriched by knowing that the two principal liars and frauds who presently sit on the Board will never be seen at Goodison again.

We should remember also that we remain – even with debt and stadium costs – an astute purchase for a canny investor.

It's extremely difficult but we really must try to relax and then absolutely back the manager and team.

Danny O’Neill
124 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:33:10
@Rob Halligan.

I'm watching Eastenders again.

Getting in the mood for tomorrow

Kieran Kinsella
125 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:33:44
Danny 124

Did Zach tell Whitney yet?

Gerry Western
126 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:50:07
Bill, if my memory serves me right, our 'crackpot owner' didn't hire Martinez – he actually fired him. So, on that basis, I'd have to agree with your statement – at least in part.
Rob Halligan
127 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:51:24
Danny, shame on you. The most miserable programme on TV. 😴😴
Colin Glassar
128 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:55:58
This has gotten 0-0 written all over it. Michael Antonio said Moyesy has tried to be more expansive this season and they've been getting ripped apart.

Frank needs a point at minimum so this game could be just as exciting as that West Germany - Austria game many moons ago.

Danny O’Neill
129 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:59:51
BBC Breakfast gives it a run for its money, Rob
Mark Ryan
130 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:09:31
We should go for Antonio, he's available apparently. If he finds his shooting boots he'd be perfect for us
Chris Leyland
131 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:30:05

Interesting article on Guardian website this evening about us

Andy Crooks
132 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:36:19
Kevin Molloy, you are saying that if Moyes comes back he will"do his damnedest", to keep us up. Really? Well I hope so. So would Frank, Roberto, David O'Leary, Sven or.. well anyone.
Moyes betrayed Everton and Kenwright helped him. He's a seriel loser, a busted flush appalling dinosaur. You know what, and I never believed I could write these words, I would rather have Roberto.
Oh, I believe we will win tomorrow and it will be the start of the long way back.
Stephen Graham
133 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:38:58
Andy Hunter says it well: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/20/everton-engulfed-in-civil-war-that-could-have-catastrophic-end
Dale Self
134 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:40:08
Yeah, I think the Shareholder petition may be getting some traction here Chris. Not only the Hunter article but Liew published one earlier, may have been put up yesterday. There is definitely some momentum unwanted by the dyspeptic duo.

And Stephen.

Kevin Molloy
135 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:43:58
I'm clearly in the minority on the Moyes front. We are running out of options, Moyes presents. a feasible one, but if the fanbase can't unite around it it's Benitez all over again.
Must admit, I'm starting to think we're fucked.
Colin Glassar
136 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:49:19
Chris, Stephen, Hunter isn’t saying anything we don’t know. What is interesting is that BK’s protective media wall is beginning to crumble. The emperor has no clothes!

This surely is the beginning of the end for this Machiavellian trickster. How can he ever show his face ever again at Goodison. Such an ignominious ending for the worlds greatest Evertonian.

Paul Birmingham
137 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:52:59
Jay@122, I’d d go with that starting line up, except Simms for DCL, in terms of his fitness and energy levels.

May be Ellis’s can soften the West Ham defence up... score a couple, and DCL, comes on for the final 25 minutes to secure the game, see it out.

Everton must turn up for a battle on the pitch at Stratford, the biggest game since Palace last season, then, that

I’m expecting a reaction, and Everton to win 3 -1, which may seem ambitious, but West Ham, have a loose defence and also can’t score.

But fears of some soft give away goals, always always linger now, as Everton, haven’t been too good at looking after the ball at Goodison, but arguably have played well and pretty solid, away the last couple of games in Manchester.

The curse of Ings, will be no more after tomorrow.

Neil Copeland
138 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:59:52
Danny #124, if we meet up tomorrow you are in for another bollocking! I am with Rob on this one. Eastenders - jeez……
Tony Hill
139 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:00:42
The success of sinister frauds like Kenwright, and of all confidence tricksters, is founded upon the fact that most people don't want to recognise bad faith. They are inclined to think the best of people until, too late, they realise they've been had.

'Twas ever thus and the fault always lies not in those who trust but in those who abuse the trust.

Rob Halligan
140 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:01:14
Nice one Neil……👍👍
Dave Abrahams
141 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:08:37
Well I wouldn’t be surprised if the predicted eleven turns out, that what Lampard does, he never surprises us either with team selections or formations, it’s always Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc, etc, throw Sunday in between Thursday and Friday, just do something different for God’s sake upset the other team and make them think instead of doing what the other manager and team know how you are going to set up and with the same players, doesn’t three lousy wins out of nineteen tell you anything Frank.

What a game it’s going to be tomorrow: Frightened Frank verses Doubting Dave!!

Rob Dolby
142 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:36:40
I wouldn't mind seeing Doucouré play tomorrow to bolster the midfield.

Play 4 at the back with Godfrey in for Coleman and Mina in for Coady as I think Antonio will do to us what Adams did to us last week.

Whichever way we set up, we can't play expansive. Sit deep and nick one on the break but, under Lampard, I am sick of of saying the same stuff week after week. I wouldn't be surprised with a 4-3-3 and losing with a late goal. Even if we sign Danjuma, that will re-enforce the 4-3-3.

We need a bit of luck, a freak own goal, anything to stop the rot.

Coyb… fuck the board.

Simon Harrison
143 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:50:08
Just to let you guys know, the (Full) Board will be at the game tomorrow, with enhanced security FFS?!

Ideally, I'd like us to play narrow and pack the middle of the park.

Coleman (Holgate at half-time) Tarkowski Mina Godfrey
Doucoure Davies Onana

Play tight and disrupt WHU, then break with Godfrey, Doucoure, Onana and Gray, while Idrissa and Davies sit in.

Make sure we have Coady, Mykolenko or Vinagre, Simms, Maupay and Iwobi on the bench, and if we take the lead, make an offensive sub and go for a second, DO NOT sit back and try and hold on. Roll the dice, go for the jugular

Just sayin'...

Tony Hill
144 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:05:16
Simon @143, as long as the lying, draining fuckers don't have the courage to turn up where it counts, that's okay. Who would want to let that trash into their home?
Jeff Armstrong
145 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:08:30
If Lampard picks Mykolenko tomorrow then he deserves the sack just for that, regardless of the result.

He has been gash for months.

Coady too, I see why Wolves got rid, being a bit shouty, but slow and crap in the air only lasts 6 months at a proper fan base.

Matt Byrne
146 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:08:41
Do we need to change things a bit?

Pickford, Tarkowski, Coady and Mina as a three with Godfrey and Iwobi, the two real athletes in the team, on the left and right. Gana and Onana sitting deep with Doucouré breaking into the box. Gray pushed right next to Calvert Lewin as a two man attack.

I think we need to try and win games and get points on the board.

Mark Ryan
147 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:12:26
Just read that in the very short time that Chelseas new owner Todd Boehly has been in charge he has spent the same amount of money as Moshiri has spent since he's been with us, around half a billion.

But just look at their players compared to ours. Their squad is very impressive.

Who sanctions the Everton player purchases? Moshiri or Kenwright?

Peter Carpenter
148 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:14:58
So, our brave board-in-exile are turning up in force for a game in London, no doubt on camera as much as possible and sobbing at exactly the right moment in tribute to David Gold. Meanwhile, not a word on their antics last week. Cowards.
Simon Harrison
149 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:18:12
Tony [144]

Unfortunately, barring disaster, or a proverbial threat of plague; the Board will be gracing Goodison with their presence for the Gunners' game.

Apparently, from what I've been told tonight, more in-house security, and additional Police for the game.

Kenwright trying to make us look like the pantomime villains, whilst he's Cinderella (ie, hard done by!) (sic!)

Tony Hill
150 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:27:19
Simon @149,

That is not what I've heard. They are finished in any event, can you imagine the reaction of the crowd to these disastrous people if they do have the gall to present themselves? It is up to us to drive them out with our scorn, every single time (if required).

They have bled us dry.

Barry Hesketh
151 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:27:28
If there are no actual serious security issues, then it is right and proper that the board should attend any Everton match, they should be there to see what we see, and celebrate or not following the match.

That's not to say I back the current board members, but until they are replaced, they should be at as many games as it is possible for them to attend.

Mike Price
153 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:30:09
Mykolenko and Iwobi are pointless and massive weak links; seems like lots of posters are finally seeing that.

It's almost a lose-lose tomorrow. If we get beat we're 90% relegated, if we win and we keep Lampard we're 95% relegated.

Tony Hill
154 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:35:12
Barry @151, they have chosen not to be present.

Mike @153, marvellous spirit, just what we need.

Barry Hesketh
155 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:38:36
Tony @154
I agree, that was their choice not to attend - even if they gave 'reasons' as to why they made that decision.
Danny Baily
156 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:00:53
Mike 153, tomorrow is a free hit. In all likelihood, the worst has already happened.
Simon Harrison
157 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:02:06
Tony [150] We'll have to see.

The source I got it from is 'in-house'. So, I guess I'll know if they are dependable or not?

Mind you, a lot can happen in 9 days. They might just resign, or be pushed by then... Here's hoping :D

And, I nearly forgot, I agree with your sentiments entirely.

Danny O’Neill
158 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:09:23
We are marching and I'm taking several more sensible family members with me. They regularly tell me that I'm insane.

Hopefully we will be celebrating in London after the match.

Neil, Rob, et Al, see you all there. Come on blue boys. Let's do this.

Neil Copeland
159 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:16:09
Looking forward to it Danny (and Rob). Hopefully see you tomorrow.


Danny O’Neill
160 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:21:55
0796 7546

Let's make sure we meet up Neil.

Big game tomorrow. Thousands of Evertonians present as always.

Everton forever.

Ray Smith
161 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:39:28
Danny O 158
Where are you planning to meet up?
Ray Smith
162 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:52:29
Mike 153
This is not the time for castigating individual players, get behind the team, half a season still to go!
It will be a hard slog, but surely you havn’t given up already?
48 years a blue, 72 yrs old, never say die 😬😬😬🤞🤞🤞
Brendan McLaughlin
163 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:06:12
Am I the only teenager on this fecking site?
Paul Kossoff
164 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:16:02
Hey Brendan, don't be an al arse!😀
David McMullen
165 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:39:48
Matchday again. They come around so quickly thesedays. Come what may, win lose or draw. Win! Who cares how. All I ask is 3 points. For us. The long suffering fans. Maybe the players will do it for Frank. One of these days. There'll be a taxi after the game for someone
Ian Linn
166 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:49:02
Would love to see us play 2 up front
Kieran Kinsella
167 Posted 21/01/2023 at 05:32:28
My great great great grandparents were buried in West Ham I hope to avoid the sane fate
Eric Myles
168 Posted 21/01/2023 at 05:41:28
Tony A, I respect your views as you have a vastly greater knowledge of all things Everon than me, and especially the matchgoing experience since I have lived outside of Liverpool for the last 45 years, outside of UK for 41 of them.

I can usually spot your posts without having to even read the name, just by the nature of the content and I mostly agree with your views, especially on the board.

I'll hopefully have a pint with you at the first match at BMD, or maybe the last at GP, and we can discuss our views on Moyes departure and the circumstances.

For the record, I don't want him back and doubt very much he would come back. I just don't see him as the pariah that he is often made out to be. That honour goes to Kenwright.

Eric Myles
169 Posted 21/01/2023 at 05:44:13
Brendan #163, I'm still a teenager at heart!

But as the heart may not be so good these days does that still count?

Neil Copeland
170 Posted 21/01/2023 at 06:14:44
Ray #161, in the fan zone I think.

Danny/Rob/Ray. 07740 786325

Nick Strong
171 Posted 21/01/2023 at 08:28:07
This game will show us how strong a leader Lampard is.
He needs to have them players with the eye of the tiger in them to get a result today.
They hate Lampard at West Ham so if we go a goal down he’s going to be getting pelted from all angles of the ground. He’s got to be imposing figure on the side not letting players heads drop if we losing show some balls Everton Ffs
Danny O’Neill
172 Posted 21/01/2023 at 08:45:36
As Neil said Ray, in the West Ham Fan Zone.

Rob is our security!!!

Here we goes Blues. Match Day mode. The politics can wait until tomorrow. Come on Everton. If we win, I'll even eat jellied eels.

Mark Murphy
173 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:02:47
Gor blimey Danny boy me old bamboo and no mistake Mary bobbins…
Tony Abrahams
174 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:03:42
I’d really enjoy that Eric, but because I’ve never felt so disinterested in Everton, (i won’t ever desert them) I’m not sure I have a superior knowledge, mate.

The last day at Goodison, and the first day at Bramley-Moore, will both be very historic and emotional occasions, but right now it’s very hard to look forward, because of the incredibly bad state we currently find ourselves in.

My final thought upon leaving Goodison last week, before stepping back,outside onto the pavement of Glawdys St, was that I’d sooner get relegated, and come back up next season.

Relegation would be heartbreaking, but coming back up would be incredibly joyful, and it’s a very long time since I saw Evertonians, having genuine, beautiful happiness. (Although reading some things this week, it sounds like relegation might destroy us for years)

I’m not telling lies, when I say it hurts the soul, but I’ve been feeling hurt for many, many years Eric, because my own thoughts are, that I lost the Everton I desire, when Bill Kenwright came, and started kidding the bollocks out of everyone.

Football is like life though, and I believe looking forward is the most important thing, so I’m going to make sure I drive past Bramley-Moore this weekend because I’ve been avoiding it!

Mark Murphy
175 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:06:57
Danny I’ve heard that Spoons at Stratford doesn’t allow away supporters in anymore??
Danny O’Neill
176 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:09:18
Tony, Eric, you've got me emotional and it's still hours until kick off!!
Danny O’Neill
177 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:18:35
Quite common in London Mark.

Sadly. Just let fans mix and the vast majority will be fine.

West Ham are a decent bunch. I'll be honest and just through personal experience, Chelsea are the worst bunch down here. Both in my local and when I've been to Stamford Bridge.

Waiting on on the street for you to walk out of the stadium and goading to get a reaction.

I wouldn't mind but it's usually a bunch of young rich kids trying to think they're some kind of 80s crew and coming out with classics like "we pay your benefits".

Best clubs in London for not prejudicing away supporters in my experience are Fulham and Brentford.

Mike Doyle
178 Posted 21/01/2023 at 09:35:44
Danny #177,

After 30+ years in South-West London, I fully agree with your assessment. Going to Fulham is generally a relaxing and pleasant experience. Many of my neighbours follow or attend Brentford and are very pleased as they expected this season to be a massive struggle without Christian Ericksen.

Also you never hear Brentford fans criticising their Academy players – as they don't have an academy. Instead, they just buy good players at sensible prices (as opposed to paying big money to players who see Everton as a step down from their previous club).

Jonathan Tasker
179 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:07:34
I can see Billy Bullshit getting his way and getting Moyes back but the Everton squad is now so weak that I can't see anyone saving them.
Mark Ryan
180 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:43:41
The one very good thing that has come out of the past month is that we are no longer suffering in silence. The world and his wife are discussing Kenwright and Moshiri and their disastrous tenure at the club. Every radio, every rag are blaming those 2 and so our dirty laundry is very much blowing in the breeze for all to see.

If Frank can turn us around somehow I can see a glimmer of light. Today's game is massive

Nigel Munford
181 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:46:00
If results go our way today and tomorrow we could be 14th.

Have a good trip travelling Blues, COYB’s.

Danny O’Neill
182 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:51:21
It's really interesting what Brentford have done Mike.

Their youth teams used to train on the same pitches as my Hayes & Yeading teams as I've mentioned before.

Great club. And to see where they are now with no academy, substituted by a B Team, new Stadium and established in the Premier League.

Great to see. Possibly my second favourite club even if they gave me an angry moment last season.

But that was Everton, not them. Very good example and model of a well run club.

Danny O’Neill
183 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:58:54
Right, we're off. Excuse the cliches.


Here we Go


Everybody's Cheering the Blues

All Together Now

Sorry if I missed any.

We're going in. We shall not be moved.

Peter Neilson
184 Posted 21/01/2023 at 10:59:11
Nigel thanks for the positive vibe. Easy to forget with our travails.
Sam Hoare
185 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:10:20
Very impressed by the likes of Danny and all those who can retain faith and a sense of optimism.

What I'm seeing does not end well.

These things can of course turn on a dime. A crunching tackle, a wonder goal, a surprise win. But there are deep underlying issues both on and off the pitch that I fear can only be papered over for so long.

I suspect things can only get substantially better with a change of board or manager or both.

But good luck today to all the travelling fans. I salute you.

Ian Bennett
186 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:21:33
So hard to choose a starting XI, is he staying 5 at the back, or 4. Are we going to continue to flip flop on formations every week?

Mykolenko, Tarkowski badly out of form. A non functioning midfield. Coleman long past his best, and a very inconsistent front 2.





Calvert Lewin

Bill Fairfield
187 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:27:49
Good luck to Frank today. Hope he can get the level of urgency and commitment from the team,that we’re all looking for. COYB.
Dave Abrahams
188 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:01:06
My earlier post from last night I was just being pragmatic seeing the situation as I personally see it but never forget those brilliant supporters who travel here, there and everywhere to cheer the Blues on, if I can get the game on I’ll be cheering and urging our team to victory with you, the biggest asset this club has always had and always will be. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst—————-unfortunately.
Nick Page
189 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:05:42
Got to play Mina
Got to play Godfrey
Got to use Onana as a target
Got to go long and be pragmatic


Good luck COYB

Christy Ring
190 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:09:42

Calvert Lewin

Who ever loses will probably be sacked, hopefully it’s Moyes

James Hughes
191 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:15:18
We have to win this one, DCL needs someone up with him and if that is Onana so be it.
we have to stop opposition just waltzing through midfield and put some bodies in there. More importantly the team has to work hard for each other.

I managed to get 5-1 on a win for us today

COYB and respect to the all the fans travelling today

Eddie Dunn
192 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:32:00
Last week my optimism got the better of me and I really thought the combination of the players trying to put it right for Frank and the fans, plus the Goodison support and I predicted a 3-1 win for us.
This week, I think of their side. They are better in midfield and attack, have a more experienced manager and that big pitch will not help us.
They also have Ings, probably on the bench to inflict the inevitable coup de grace.
I hope we can somehow hold them at bay for long enough for their crowd to turn on them.
However, this manager and players have let us down far too often for any real optimism.
It will be interesting to see if Gordon gets selected.
The stakes are high so I think Lampard will err on the side of caution.
DCL alone again...naturally...!
Christopher Timmins
193 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:34:29
To all those travelling to support the team, the best of luck, you deserve some after so many disappointing away days over recent seasons.

We are not playing either of the Manchester clubs today, so no need for a total backs to the wall effort. Keep it tight early on but have a go at their full backs when the opportunities arise.

With an opponent equally devoid of confidence and a nervous home support we can do this today.

We need to take something from the game! It's not a do or die scenario with so many games to go but a loss might be the end for the manager.

Will Mabon
194 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:44:26
Eddie, wild optimism is definitely not the thing for today but we have a fighting chance. West Ham have their own worries and I feel a draw at least here. The team is perfectly capable if they will only believe and do it for the full 90 minutes.
Nigel Munford
195 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:53:57
Got to be optimistic, can’t face the other!!!
Dale Self
196 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:08:38
Nice move Christopher they are the ones keeping us up
Kevin Molloy
197 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:10:07
the real worry I have about today is that we don't get the win but Lampard remains in post anyway. He's almost sheepish in his interviews now, he knows he should have been punted months ago. We've got a week to go of the window, we are clearly going to sell Gordon so will have some funds, please don't let it be :Lampard that spends it.
Anthony Murphy
198 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:25:59
I agree Kevin. We draw today and some will see it as some sort of progress under Lampard - we need wins. My concern is the Us v Them narrative has Lampard as one of us, yet what has happened on the pitch lately has played a huge part in this mess. If we win, it’ll buy him time, but lose or draw today is simply not enough.
Christy Ring
199 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:31:03
Kevin#197 If Lampard loses today, I believe it’s time to go, but no way should we consider your man, Moyes did the dirt on Everton, hopefully Lampard can get a win today and Moyes sacked.
Peter Carpenter
200 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:33:43
The scene: Noiks, an upmarket restaurant in London’s theatreland. Bill and his board are having lunch just before heading off to the match.

Bill: Hey guys. What a week, what a chairman!

The others all stand and applaud apart from Graeme Sharp, who looks confused.

Bill: Didn’t I tell you? Stick with King Billy-Bob Kenny Kenwright and everything will work out just fine.

Sharp: But boss, the police are onto us, the fans are furious, the media have turned and Ian Wright hates me.

Bill (smiling a sick sort of smile): Sharpie. Just remember why you’re on this board. Smile, look pretty and say nothing. And have you paid those kids for chasing Anthony Gordon down the street yet?

Hey, Baxi, the headlock idea, pure genius – could almost have been one of mine. Don’t forget to give me the false arm back. I must return it to Emu, it’s the only thing of Rod’s that he keeps, poor thing.

(DBB swoons)

Now for the next stage of the Bill’s-a-genius-Moyesie-resurrection-masterplan. Before the kick-off sob when I sob, apparently some West Ham fucker’s just died. Then, at the first misplaced pass, start the ‘Moyes Out’ chant. I can’t join in, the cameras are on me constantly. (Bill preens himself slightly and gazes lovingly at his reflection in the window)

Oh, and I’ll be in the West Ham boardroom after the game. You lot make yourselves scarce. They won’t know what to do, so they’ll ask me.

Sharp: But boss, if West Ham lose, doesn’t that mean Everton win? So, Moyesie gets the sack but Frank stays. (DBB sniggers)

Bill: Shut it, legend and finish your alphabet spaghetti, it’s time to go.

Ok, disguises on, we can’t be too careful. Them scousers get everywhere.

Later Bill and his mob witness a fine 2-0 win for Everton.

Apart from the last line, everything else is fiction – hopefully.

Colin Glassar
201 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:53:53
Is it true that Moshiri and Bill will be in attendance today? If so, what a pair of eunuchs.
Derek Knox
202 Posted 21/01/2023 at 13:54:52
Peter, 👏
Andrew Clare
203 Posted 21/01/2023 at 14:23:04
Every week on here the optimism is incredible. People saying that we will win 3-1 etc etc. How can we think of a win away from home when we have lost to Southampton and Wolves at home.

The reality is that we will lose and Danny Ings will score.

The fact that Lampard is still with us is crazy. Have the board just given up?

In my 60 years as an Evertonian I have never seen such a dreadful team- especially considering how much money we have spent to arrive at such a low point.

I hope we win and I am totally wrong.

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