Allardyce distances himself from Everton role

So once again, classic Everton. Sack the manager, fix the manager, create a new dof problem at lower and lower quality.

The whole problem has been a poor thought out recruitment policy. Players coming for the money (in the main) and not make any effort or improvement. Any exceptions soon move on.

So after Moshiri buying who he wanted, the long list of ex managers and DOFs buying what they wanted, we end up with a poorer and poorer squad. We really are frankensteins monster.

The problem is meeting up expectations with reality. With the agricultural football of Allardyce, Dyche even Moyes expectations of league position improvement from the relegation places can be met.

When a manager comes in with this current squad and tries to get them playing the one touch, accurate passing, constant movement, beautiful game, expectations are unlikely to be met.

We all want the beautiful game and school of science to return but that will be further down the line when we are on better foundations.

It's the football purist in me. I know beggars can't be choosers, but I just don't like his brand. Him and countless other recycled British managers who seemingly used to get big jobs because of their mates in the media.

You've made me think deep Joe. It's kind of a reflection on the state of the English game over the past few decades. I keep going on about players and grass roots. The British managers have been a reflection in that.

Although it seems to be getting better, our grass roots still has a lot to be desired.

Maybe Potter and Howe can change the mould on my British Manager thing but the jury is out. Lampard was a bit different. For me, he falls into the category of great player but not a manager.

And let's not forget, Allardyce is corrupt and was willing to take a bung; caught on camera. Not exactly the most honest of characters.

People say they don't like his style of football - a style that got us to 8th.
Do they prefer the shite we've been watching since he was sacked?

Rant over 💙

But what I was trying to say is you know what you get and he got us further up the league to 8th. Some wanted Unsworth to stay in charge, and I openly admit I was happier with Sam because of his experience.

Ronald Koeman was the manager I detested, I thought he was a cold passionless vile man.

Right now, I have no idea where we are going in terms of the next manager.

Yet again, just get us over the line, but this time reset the club. Reset it at the top. Long overdue.

I like your views Joe. Keep them coming.

Bielsa, Sam, Dyche, Hassenhuttl???? My god, how far have we fallen. The image of Moshiri getting “interviewed” last night with scripted questions and answers is even scarier than when I watched The Exorcist as a young boy in the Odeon back in the day.

I know we are in an emergency, a fight to survive, so I would accept any of the above if it's only on a six month contract (with a bonus) and they promise to leave once the season ends.

None of them offer us a way forward. They represent the past but that goes for the board as well. If Moshiri is intent on staying (until BMD is completed) then he needs a complete rebuild of the club from the top down and bottom up and a manager with a vision to turn this club around and mould this club, and I hate to say it, like klopp and Guardiola have been able to do.

This means getting someone so driven, so obsessed that they are almost psychopaths. They must imprint their style and personality not only on the team but on the club as well. An Alex Ferguson type. This must be our objective once this season is over, survive or not.

To avoid the drop I would suggest Ferguson - someone who could rally the troops and get them fighting for every point.

To have a good go this season and get us up if we fail, I would go for Dyche.

He knows what it takes to get out of the Championship, can organise a defence and is a straightforward operator.

Bielsa might be an inspired choice but I fear that the squad is incapable of working hard enough. Many of the lads seem mentally brittle, and his style always leads to injuries.

But he could give us a bounce and introduce fast aggressive play to Goodison Park.

So it's Dyche for me.

What concerns me is Kevin Thelwell's role. I try and understand what made him pick Maupay, Gueye and McNeill. Gueye looks like he's over the hill, but it it might be affer playing in Europe, he needs time to get back up to speed. Maupay couldn't get in Brighton's 1st team and finds it difficult to achieve anything in our set up, Mc Neill looks slow and, although he scored one goal, doesn't look like a regular goalscorer or creator.

I wonder if we are so short of cash, that we have to pick up scraps and pay for them of the never never. Thelwell seemd to do fine with Wolves, so why isn't it working here? Maybe it's too quick to expect rapid progress, especially if its buying players like we do.
There must be a reason for it, and my guess is we haven't got the readies.

Danny, I think we have to get the best available man, who can a) get us away from the drop, or b) get us back in at the first attempt. I really don't give a tinkers toss how popular he is, Frank was a popular man but couldn't get us away from the drop. I don't think it's the time for thinking about pretty football, it's time for effective football that will get us out the mess.

It looks to me that Thelwell has one hell of a job, as it seems to me, he has to choose somwe managers to will make the best attempt, and present their names to the Board

That's the bit where I get panicky!

My choice would be Dyche but I wouldn't mind Big Sam, we need a firefighter now, not some blackboard feller with no experience of the Prem.

But it's nothing hugely new. I'm 43 years old and have never seen Everton compete for trophies.

Unfortunately it looks like it will take relegation for the club to cotton on to the idea it isn't just a decent manager and a couple of Andy Gray and Peter Reid type signings away from the top table.

We need to completely rebuild and modernise. We won't get an established name to do that for us.

As for managers I think the game is already up who would want to takeover here, we have a board who remind me of the therapy group from one flew over cuckoos nest (without the humour) a team whose slowness and idleness would put a sloth to shame and a crowd (quite rightly imo) who are mutinous and disillusioned.

I've accepted our fate, we are going down that's clear for anyone to see. I'm not wasting anymore weekends, weeks, months fretting about it and upsetting my missus. It makes just as much sense to leave Baines in charge as appoint some ‘proven' manager arriving with a suitcase full of demands only to be fucked off 6 or12 months later with a payoff equivalent to the tax penalty fee of an ex Tory Chancellor.

Of course, some believed we wouldn't go down before we hired him. I'm just glad we didn't take the risk; and veered away from the drop. Just as I do now.

If we get Dyche, then I'd support him. In fact, any manager we get I think it's up to us to support them.

Whoever it is, I don't want to see our club go down. And if the worst happens that we get back up in that first season.

I've nothing against Sam. He'd do a better job than Dyche in my opinion, in terms of results, but the terrible football they both play would result in me refusing to attend or watch matches, again.

I mean this honestly, I would rather watch us try and play football and get relegated than watch their teams antics. I just get no joy, entertainment or satisfaction from a Bolton or Burnley style football game.

I understand there are times we need to defend deeper and play that way, (it's usually when we are winning with 10 minutes to go) not from the first minute of every game, every match, every season.

But I never want to see that narcissist near our club ever again.

No manager or pundit will do that. We do it.

Even Howard allegedly openened the the window and told the players to listen. That was his team talk.

Right now we are the only asset this club has. I'm in the fight. I hope you all are.

...that he was never in the running for. Fuck me, that guy's up his own arse!

It's not just his turgid football (which saw us with 3 games left, nothing to play for, and no shots on target), it's also his personality.

May be a coincidence, of course…

You've seen the Spanish bullfighter, the old and younger version.
You've marvelled at the Portuguese Zorro better known as Silva.
You've been transfixed by the Dutch master golfer.
And the English gentleman Lampard...
But, 5 years after he first appeared he's back:

BIG SAM II

Be afraid, very afraid! The only scream you hear will be your own!

I'm with those who believe we are in need of a specialist ‘firefighter' rather than an empire builder at this point and that brings a load of otherwise ‘unpalatable' options into play. Unfortunately, I don't think there are any that really come with any guarantees.

Can we hope we can get a pragmatist with great motivational qualities who also has a greater long-term vision?

I couldn't risk upsetting the 'family', you've seen those mob movies There's been so many, it's very difficult to remember just who and when each manager was in charge.

I want to stay up not socialise with the manager! Go down and we sadly could be down for a while! Get the person who has experience! Sam's methods are not pure football but neither will be playing Barnsley on a Tuesday night next season! Give me strength, please reflect the past ten years! School of science it ain't!

So much crap spouted about who doesn't like who because of the perceived type of football they play etc etc etc. I want points and don't care how we get them.

We have put up with mainly losing rubbish football for years therefore I can stand to watch some winning rubbish football for a change.

Someone join who really wants to join.