Aston Villa 4 - 0 Everton

Everton travel to Villa Park for their first away game of the season with Sean Dyche deciding that Dominic Calvert-Lewin, having completed his planned programme of rehabilitation, is all set for Premier League action in Sunday afternoon's game.

It's the only change from last week as Dyche is still without Dwight McNeil, Seamus Coleman, Dele Alli, Youssef Chermiti, the supposedly injured Jean-Philippe Gbamin, and new loan signing Jack Harrison, while Arnaut Danjuma is included only as a substitute alongside former U21 players Cannon, Onyango and Dobbin. 

And Michael Keane continues to be preferred by Sean Dyche ahead of the exciting young prospect Jarrad Branthwaite who more than anything needs game time in the Premier League. 

The home side kicked off and immediately won a corner off Garner, McGinn winning a second corner after which Garner released Iwobi but the cross was poor. Iwobi was then stopped easily and Villa looked to slow things down a little. 

Everton had some possession but the forward balls were too challenging.  At the other end, Diaby's first shot was wildly high over Pickford's goal. Doucoure tried to play in Calvert-Lewin but too close to Martinez, and a nasty clash with the Everton player running straight into the Villa goalkeeper and ending up with a big swelling under his right eye. 

After some worrying treatment, Calvert-Lewin needed a concussion check before coming back on. Luiz was booked for a weak grab on Young. 

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But Everton went behind far too easily when Diaby fed the ball out to Baily who went to the byeline and cut it back accurately to McGinn who could not miss.

Everton tried to respond but it was sporadic and formless, whereas wehnDiaby broke forward it looked a real threat until Young tackled him brilliantly but took a knock in the process. Patterson was next with a good tackle for a corner. 

In the rework, a ball in is clipped up by Watkins and cleared off the line by Patterson as Pickford lunges at Watkins with a left hook that barely catches him and the referee signals a penalty that is not overturned by the VAR – so much for protection to the referees? Luiz smashed it in despite Pickford's wide dive. Everton now in real trouble. 

Everton won a corner but it was collected easily by Martinez. McGinn danced forward with the Everton players backing away, and far too easily set up a shot that Pickford saved down low.  

Everton played it forward laboriously and Calvert-Lewin got the ball only to pass it straight to a defender.  Iwobi advanced only to deliver a weak cross straight at Martinez with no Everton players anywhere near it.

Digne delivered a cross and Diaby fashioned a tremendous volley that Pickford somehow pushed onto the post, across goal and out for a corner that was cleared.  But Villa were dominating the play and they came back again with another wicked cross that Young was able to head away.

The condition of Calvert-Lewin was a concern though, and he was finally switched out for Aurnaut Danjuma. He lasted just 37 minutes. Another Digne cross caused absolute havoc, with Watkins almost scoring at the far post. 

Danjuma did well to hold a forward ball up under pressure and Young eventually crossed but it was easily defended, with 9 minutes added before the break.  Danjuma was getting well involved and cut through to fire at Martinez from a narrow angle, winning a corner when he should perhaps have cut it back for someone else. 

But Everton were finally pressing well, denying Villa and playing forward but Patterson's cross was simply horrible. Keane felt he had to drag Watkins down at the expense of a yellow card. Digne again had acres of space with Patterson a long way from him, the cross cleared this time. 

McGinn almost found Diaby and Watkins almost got on the cross from Bailey. Gueye slid in on McGinn and he too got a yellow card just before the end of a disastrous half for Everton. 

Incredibly, Sean Dyche made a proactive and surprising change for the second half: a very young Lewis Dobbin on for the ageing and yellow-carded Idrissa Gana Gueye. Dobbin scampered down the left past Cash but just overran the line. 

Iwobi, now on the right, pulled up clutching his hamstring. He eventually hobbled off as Kamara had a shot that cannoned off Tarkowski as Maupay came on for Iwobi.

A dreadful mistake by Keane from a throw-in was pounced on by Bailey who hammered it past Pickford for the third killer Villa goal. Danjuma tried to shoot but it was blocked; his second attempt squirmed wide off a deflection. Tarkowski should have done more with Garner's corner. 

Garner had to clean up but Villa soon attacked again, Diaby scampering through and Watkins tried to clip it in but missed the far post. At least Danjuma showed some real zest down the left but smashed his cross too hard at Maupay. However, Everton got a corner that fell perfectly for Maupay at the far post and, with the goal at his mercy, Maupay fires straight at Martinez. 

A corner for Villa at the other end saw Trakowski take the ball off Bailey who stayed down before being one of three substituted. With the pace of the game slowing Villa worked it to Coutinho whose shot was saved by Pickford. At the other end, Carlos brushed away Maupay when it looked like he might fashion something.

Danjuma and Maupay were trying to create something but after the turnover, Keane did well to stop Watkins running in. Digne fouled but Garner's free-kick was easily repelled, Danjuma back quickly to dispossess Konsa. 

Duran came on for Watkins and profited immediately from a poor throw by Young and another horrible mistake by Keane, simply shocking from the Blues.

Everton did their best to regroup and try to halt the Villians' relentless progress, Danjuma doing his best to create something, but failing each time with no support. Coutinho tried and failed to beat Pickford from a long way out.

Danjuma had another go, and saw his shot deflected just past the angle for a corner. From the rework, Dobbin poked a hopeful (hopeless?) ball in straight to Martinez. Garner barged Coutinho who went down for plenty of treatment until withdrawn for Archer.

Patterson caught Lucas Digne needlessly for another yellow card before 9 minutes more were added. A misplaced forward punt from Keane was headed out generously for a corner that was cleared. A Garner free-kick was launched high for Martinez to catch easily.

Onana did well to win the ball back but Danjuma was less adventurous and it broke down yet again. Both teams played out the extended time with Everton utterly dejected by a dreadful performance that drops Everton to the very bottom of the Premier League after just 2 games. 

Aston Villa: Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Luiz [Y:15'] (64' Coutinho (86' Archer [Y:89'])), McGinn, Watkins (74' Duran), Digne [Y:32'], Pau, Diaby (64' Carlos), Bailey (64' Tielemans), Kamara.
Subs: Olsen, Marschall, Traore, Chambers.

Everton: Pickford [ Y:22'], Young, Tarkowski, Keane [Y:45+4'], Patterson [Y:86'], Garner, Gana [Y:45+9'] (46' Dobbin), Onana, Doucoure (90+8' Onyango), Iwobi (52' Maupay), Calvert-Lewin (38' Danjuma).
Subs: Virginia, Mykolenko, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Cannon.

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Stephen Davies
1 Posted 20/08/2023 at 12:06:40
Calvert-Lewin starts.
Michael Lynch
2 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:22:47
Still not many options for Dyche.
Robert Tressell
4 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:23:42
Excellent news, come on DCL!
Michael Kenrick
5 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:26:14
Same line-up except for Calvert-Lewin. And yes, he might just get on the end of the odd chance... let's hope so!

Dyche probably feels they played well enough last week to not change anything else. He's talking about being positive so let's see what he has them doing today.

Mick Roberts
6 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:33:17
Sticking with Keane over Branthwaite again, Dyche really doesn't like playing the youngsters unfortunately.
Phil Bickerstaff
7 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:34:40
No Branthwaite but there's calamity Keane.

Getting a little pissed off with Dyche and his Burnley babes.

Where is the supply coming from to Calvert-Lewin? Iwobi is dreadful can't cross a road…

Christy Ring
8 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:40:30
Branthwaite played against Man Utd on Tuesday night, he came back late for preseason, hopefully he will get his chance.

Just got off the Live Forum, unbelievable, it seems we've lost already.

Tom Bowers
9 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:44:20
No Harrison or Chermiti in the squad!!! Have they once again signed players who are not match fit.

They will once again try the containment game which they are not good at.

Colin Malone
10 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:54:08
Garner on the wing, covering Patterson. What a waste. No Gomes in the squad.
Danny O’Neill
11 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:55:54
In less than 10 minutes, we kick off. I don't care for who is playing. Just get the result.
Alan J Thompson
12 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:58:17
I hope this is more seeing the light on Maupay than forcing Calvert-Lewin back before he is ready.
Simon Dalzell
13 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:27:41
We are a joke. Not even committed. Pickford's an embarrassment.
Michael Lynch
14 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:30:37
The only surprising thing is that some fans think we won’t be in a relegation battle this season.

Villa are different class, as are most of the teams in the Premier League.

Alex Gray
15 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:33:25
Calvert-Lewin coming off after 30 minutes? New record surely?
Colin Malone
16 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:36:48
One up front, with a water carrier behind him. FFS.
Les Callan
17 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:43:08
Onana brilliant again. £100M to Man Utd.
Tony Heron
18 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:45:00
Why don't we bring Onana on!
Tom Bowers
19 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:45:54
Are we for real???
Mark Andrews
20 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:46:10
I'm not angry that Calvert-Lewin is injured again, I'm furious that after 2 years we still have no alternative.

Wondering when Onana is going to turn up?

Ernie Baywood
21 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:49:54
We wait for our centre forward to come back so we have someone to attack the ball in the box. He attacks the ball in the box and breaks his face! How is the luck for both us and Dom?

That didn't look good though. Your face doesn't usually swell like that unless there's some damage.

Michael Lynch
22 Posted 20/08/2023 at 14:58:11
Timid, slow, sloppy, clueless.

Worst team in the Premier League by a country mile.

Barry Hesketh
23 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:00:29
Alex @15,

Calvert-Lewin should have been replaced immediately, but because some fans would call him names for being soft, he stayed on. The medical team shouldn't have allowed that to happen and the owner and board shouldn't have put this club of ours in such a desperate situation.

On the plus side, we might be the first club to go down on minus points.

Garry Martin
24 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:00:55
Another first-half bad performance by Everton, not sure that we've got anything to offer as a Premier League side now, bad bunch of players and equally bad management.

I'm already resigned to dropping into the Championship after 2 games, what a sad state of affairs.

Stuart Sharp
25 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:03:10
I realise that poor defending has cost us, but Iwobi on the left is maddening.

Our main counter... Garner, diagonal to Iwobi, Iwobi cross to Villa defender. We've created nothing.

Neil Lawson
26 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:03:53
Will be keeping a careful eye on Plymouth's results. Hoping not promoted nor relegated so I can at least watch us next year. Any team ever been relegated with no points ( obviously they will be relegated, but sure you get my drift !! ).

It is only our sense of humour that keeps us going.

On a slightly more serious note, this is a true test of Dyche. Pointless continuing with the current 11. He needs to be a proper manager and tactician and make changes at half time which, at least, make us competitive. Why do I doubt it ?

Barry Hesketh
27 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:05:12
The current players are not a bad bunch and the manager if you meant that by management is working under tighter conditions than he could ever have imagined. The current squad is pretty average, and it shows, as for Patterson, what do people see in him, he can't pass, he can't cross and he most definitely doesn't know how to defend.

The only people to blame for this current debacle, not this match, the whole situation is those who have mis-managed the club in the last seven years, it's an utter disgrace and it was needless.

Michael Lynch
28 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:05:46
What can he change Neil? We have nothing left on the bench
Alan J Thompson
29 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:05:52
Villa 2 Dustbins 0. We've sat back and backed off waiting for the inevitable and it happened.

We look like we've trained for it with the intention of playing a winger on either side of the pitch and then forgotten to make sure they got on the team coach. And how many managers does it take to work out that Iwobi is not too good out wide and certainly not a winger never mind a good crosser of the ball.

For the first goal Garner again let his man go and for the second I have to ask why VAR does not get involved when the Ref blows his whistle but does when he waves play on or are they of the belief that he should blow and then wave play on! Yes, I know, maybe because play doesn't stop but it does seem an aberration.

One and half games and we look like we've lost to two of those most likely in the relegation fight with us.

Rob Dolby
30 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:08:34
At some point in the next couple of weeks Dyche will revert to the sit tilght and play on the break. We can't play any other way.

Whilst we are as open as this we will get beat every week.

The adverts on this site are slowing my phone down ridiculously.

Colin Malone
31 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:08:41
Put Garner back in the middle.
Dobbin on the right. Onana off.
Colin Malone
32 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:10:03
Or take Dacourie off
Barry Hesketh
33 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:12:38
I saw one of those hoardings at Villa Park it read BK8, I propose we order our own version 8BK.
Neil Lawson
34 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:14:23
Michael 28. Colin has some ideas. A genuine striker would be a help. Why is Cannon on bench if not to possibly take part ? Dobbin for Iwobi ? Why not. At least move Iwobi to right. It's not going to get any worse for trying. If all else fails, Maupay for Keane ( no, I am not serious)
Christy Ring
35 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:15:38
Garner on the wing again this week, totally ridiculous, he’s not a winger. The transfer window less than two weeks left and we still haven’t signed a striker, or a winger, and DCL probably gone again? We need a full back also, because Patterson isn’t good enough.
Mark Andrews
36 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:20:08
Championship bound.
Michael Lynch
37 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:21:03
Allan Board
38 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:21:13
If it wasn't so funny watching Everton- nobody would care!
Everton will be the new logo for McDonald's soon- I hear they are tired of the current clown-and intend to enlarge the logo to include a multitude of clowns!
That shiny new stadium will look lovely in league 1 by the time it's ready!
WORST TEAM IN THE DIVISION- by some margin too.
Thanks Kenwright.
Alex Gray
39 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:22:18
Calvert-Lewin injured, Iwobi injured, losing 4-0. No goals in two games… but don't worry, lads – Ché Adams is going to sort us out!
Fran Mitchell
40 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:29:05
We desperately need an improvement on Gana, a right back, a centre back on top of a striker and winger.

Desperate times… but we absolutely have to make the required changes asap.

Colin Malone
41 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:29:40
Doucouré is a water carrier, with no guile.

Why is he behind the front man?

Why did we let Townsend go?

Mark Andrews
42 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:40:55
Turns out Dycheball is as bad as Lampard's philosophy and Rafa's vision.
Alex Gray
43 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:42:10
Do I hear 5?
Alex Gray
44 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:44:32
Amazing what zero investment, letting all your best players go and keeping hold of injury-prone duds can do to a team, isn't it?
Neil Lawson
45 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:48:06
Please name any player either starting or still on the pitch who deserves to be picked next week.
Bobby Mallon
46 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:49:24
Michael Lynch
47 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:50:19
Danjuma is the only player who can hold his head up after this fiasco
Neil Tyrrell
48 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:51:09
Danjuma has looked decent, other than that I've got nothing.

Christy Ring
49 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:51:50
Villa are only in 2nd gear, a total embarrassment.

Branthwaite has to start next game, Keane is finished. Sell Iwobi this week, he'll end up leaving for nothing next summer.

The biggest problem we have now is, will anyone want to join us?

Tony Heron
50 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:54:34
What really annoys me is that you will see this lot in the training videos next week, laughing and joking as they think they're Brazil knocking the ball around. Of course you can look like Brazil when there's no opponents. Mind you even then they would still probably lose!
Pete Clarke
51 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:55:39
If we remove the poison from the club, then it will start feeling and looking better.

I mentioned it on the other thread and we've harped on about it for years but it's not enough lads.

Waiting for mother time to catch up on Kenwright has cost us years and years of pain and anguish and will soon cost us our top-flight status.

Whatever protests you guys have put up over there will need to be doubled with nastiness thrown in. He's got to go – and Moshiri too.
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:58:00
Fortunately (?), I wasn't able to watch it but surely people calling us as being relegated after two games is a hysterical reaction, even for ToffeeWeb.

A week ago, we could and should have won. Obviously we have manifold problems but there is a long time – like 36 games to go.

Joe McMahon
53 Posted 20/08/2023 at 15:58:01
Not looking good is it for The People's Club, dreadful squad with no goals in it and a sacked Burnley manager who persists with Michael Keane.

Like many of us, I'm getting on a bit now, I just want to see an Everton team that scores goals, it's been so long I've forgotten what it feels like (Martinez's first season was a one-off.)

Grand Old Team!

Alex Gray
54 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:00:03
There is absolutely nothing about Everton Football Club that is The People's Club. The club actively hate the people.
Ernie Baywood
55 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:01:50
Not sure anything will save us this season. That's not just a knee-jerk reaction. The club absolutely stinks of relegation.

Just think... we could have now been watching us score in the Championship.

As I watch our 'Number 10' Doucouré fail to control a simple ball to feet.

Paul Kossoff
56 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:05:05
Barry Horne just said on Radio Merseyside, everybody looks tired… Why? Not one person on the pitch has done a fucking thing!

Tired? Unbelievable!

Billy Shears
57 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:05:27
It was a lot worse than I thought!...

We're a club going nowhere!

Paul Kossoff
58 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:05:40
Bottom by the way, thanks Bill.
Neil Lawson
59 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:06:01
Vastly improved performance in the last minute.
Ernie Baywood
60 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:06:21
Kieran, we didn't win last week because we can't score goals. Same problem we had last season.

We've drawn a blank again today.

I think there's a very optimistic personality required if you're not thinking that relegation is closing in on us.

Alex Gray
61 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:06:40
Ernie, you still need a striker in the Championship.
Fran Mitchell
62 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:08:36
Absolutely awful, kind of what I expected but still somehow worse.

The team is well too short: right-back, left-back, centre-back, defensive mid, winger, striker … we need the lot!

Alan McGuffog
63 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:08:58
Hate to be a ray of sunshine but things wil get worse. We will do well to stay in the Championship next season. Except that they're equally shite, our first derby game at the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock could be against Tranmere Rovers.
Sean O’Hanlon
64 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:09:28
Kieran, I think you need a reality check.

Last week, Fulham beat us 0-1 at home, then lose at home 0-3 yesterday.

Villa lost 5-1 away to Newcastle, then thrash us today.

We're going nowhere except to the Championship.

Calvert-Lewin? Finished. Dyche is a joke of a manager.

Kevin Molloy
67 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:10:48
Fair play to him, he's got some balls putting that useless twat back in at centre-back. It is a decision that is completely inexplicable.

We finally have a bit of luck, a promising centre-back comes back from a good side with rave reviews and all the big clubs sniffing round. And what do we do? We tell Coady to do one so Leicester can double their money, we sling the kid in the reserves, whilst putting the worst centre-back I've ever seen back in for yet another catastrophic showing.

If somebody had told me that we would have Michael Keane starting games this season at the back end of last, I genuinely wouldn't have believed it for an instant. What does it tell us though about the manager? It tells me he is complete fucking moron.
You've got one more game Sean. Lose that, and you are OUT.

Bill Fairfield
68 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:10:59
Utter garbage. God we're bad.

Never in 58 years supporting this club has it been so depressing.

We need new owners and a board who know how to run a football club.

Andrew Flanagan
69 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:11:02
Team is a disgrace.

All the mugs on here saying we will finish mid-table. We will not and today is an example.

Joe Digney
70 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:11:19
Just to make the night even worse… we've just made a second bid for Adams. 😂
Danny Baily
71 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:13:49
Nothing to be positive about from these opening fixtures.
Neil Lawson
72 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:14:16
Of course it is early doors, but just where is the improvement going to come from?

Wholesale changes needed but the squad is so thin and injuries make it transparent. No money for purchases. Dyche won't trust the talented but inexperienced youngsters.

Optimism is an oft used word but there do have to be grounds for it to exist.

Will Mabon
73 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:14:49
Everton crumble with custard.
Sean O’Hanlon
74 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:15:01
Relegation battle with Wolves next weekend.
James O'Connell
75 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:15:31
This isn't even a good Championship side.
Will Mabon
76 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:16:05
Sean, sounds wild, but...
Barry Hesketh
77 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:16:50
A very disturbing Sunday afternoon. Of course it's too early to be calling relegation; however, if you don't or can't score goals, you are going to be in trouble as most Premier League teams, if not all of them bar us, will take at least one chance in any given game.

Villa aren't as somebody earlier said one of our 'relegation' rivals, they'll finish at least Top 10, as they have goalscorers in their side.

Fulham might prove to be a result that comes back to haunt us, and now the next fixture at home to Wolves becomes even more pressurised than normal. First we need a goal, then we need a point, and the longer it goes without either or both, we'll be devoid of confidence and that's not what we need.

I know it was a heavy defeat, and that Villa took their foot off the gas, but at least most of the team kept going, if not to such great effect.

It's no fun being a Blue at the moment.

George Cumiskey
78 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:17:34
I wonder if the Brighton chairman is on the phone to Blue Bill asking what would Everton do?
Alan J Thompson
79 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:18:10
Any manager with any self respect would resign after that performance.

I forgot to say in my halftime notes that Gana had to be subbed but when Maupay came on I gave up all hope but he didn't disappoint and missed only one sitter this game compared to his three last week. I couldn't understand Dyche covering his mouth to speak to his assistants as who would want to listen to any manager whose team performed like that.

Danjuma and Dobbin tried hard and my choice would have been for Danjuma to move to the wing, which he seemed to, Cannon on as centre forward and Dobbin in midfield in the role Doucoure was supposed to have, supporting the main striker. And we must find room for Branthwaite as the defence was just a misnomer and in place of anyone who played today. And what was the point in Onyango coming on for the two of the nine minutes extra time.

Will we be in a relegation fight this season? I don't think we'll even rate a fight!

Fran Mitchell
80 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:19:09
Hopefully it is a hammering like this that was needed to provide the wake-up call.

Drop Keane for Branthwaite, play Danjuma from the start, play Garner in the middle and hopefully, desperately, sign the striker, right winger, and ideally another right back as a minimum (plus also a defensive midfielder and central defender).

Maybe if we'd lost 1-0, they'd have simply said 'We were unlucky… blablabla.' But today has proven beyond doubt that we are desperately short of the quality required to stay in the Premier League.

10 days to sort the squad out…

Mike Connolly
81 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:19:45
Get rid of Dyce, he done his job last season. He's brought a lot of this on himself. He kept faith with Keane – a sackable offence.

Midfield is a joke. We need a striker but no point in having one because we can't get the ball to him. Iwobi had 5 touches and lost them all. Gueye and Onana on a Sunday stroll. and Doucouré was Bimbi on ice. Patterson a lost boy.

Big building job and Dyce isn't the man.

Steve Brown
82 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:20:23
I’m worried about next week’s team selection. I may combust if Keane is selected again.
Andrew Clare
83 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:21:13
The nightmare continues.
Denis Richardson
84 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:21:29
Well that was pretty sobering. Positives:

- Danjuma looks like he'll be a good addition
- We've still got 36 games left
- Next game is Wolves at home (already looking like a must-win – even though that sounds ridiculous 2 games in)


- Too many to list out.

However, if Branthwaite isn't played soon, I can only assume he's going to be sold. There is absolutely no reason for him to be on the bench. Should be him and Tarkowski in the middle.

As well as another striker, we badly need a decent centre-midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and dictate play. Onana and Gueye in the middle offer next to nothing offensively.

Iwobi looks like his hammy so he's likely out for a month, which unfortunately means he can't be sold and will likely walk on a free next summer. Only slight hope is we sell him to Saudi in September – their window is open till 20 September.

Overall that was a really poor performance and some of the goals let in were Sunday league defending. Many need dropping after that but we have no back-up.

If Man Utd offer big money for Onana, I'd take it and use it on a centre-midfielder who can pass and a striker.

I expected to lose that but the showing was really poor.

Danny Baily
85 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:22:45
Sean 74, it doesn't matter when the games fall. August or March, Fulham and Wolves at home are must-wins.

It looks like the weakening of the squad in this window (it's been made weaker with each successive window since Carlo left) is one step too far. We look dreadful.

Tim Michael
86 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:23:24
Stop this nonsense.

Get Bielsa in… now!

Jonathan Oppenheimer
87 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:23:44
Well, it can't get any worse than that, so only up from here.

Some real positives though: Calvert-Lewin's injury was his face and not his hamstring, Dobbin and Danjuma get a run out as actual wingers, hopefully Keane and Maupay get replaced by Branthwaite and Cannon because they were so bad, and maybe Dyche realizes that Gana's not helping us either.

On to next week, where even if we get battered by Wolves, hopefully half the starting 11 is different so we have new players to be angry about.

Hard to believe we could all be this pessimistic this early in the season.

Dave Lynch
88 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:24:48
Let's call this the way it is shall we.

We're shite! End of. We have already given ourselves a mountain to climb, tactically We're bereft of ideas, cannot defend and have no fucking clue in attack.

All this is down to poor recruitment and a piss-poor manager, who is no more than a mediocre Championship journeyman.

Before the usual suspects come on and dissect the performance with mini positives, there are none, we got twatted... again and went down with a whimper.

Jim Bennings
89 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:24:57
New season, same old shite, the ostriches just had their heads buried under the sand the last 3 months. Nothing new to see here.

No doubt they'll all start playing again in mid-April when we are sat on 31 points needing 6 points.

Such a painfully insignificant club now are Everton, thanks to the people at the top.

Mike Connolly
90 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:26:44
Alan Myers on Twitter: We're 2nd to everything.

Phil McNulty responded: You sound surprised. when the board and owner let the club rot, this is what you get.

What I'd like to know s where was McNulty, Dave Prentice and the media when us fans were saying it for years?

Oh, I know – in Bill's pocket.

Colin Malone
91 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:27:41
From what I've seen Dyche is a fitness coach. He will be weighing the players' shirts for sweat. Heaviest shirt is first on the team sheet for next week.

Dyche is a one-trick pony. Not impressed. Don't know how to take throw-ins. I'm on about the Young throw in. Seen it every game.

One formation fits all. Danjuma broke away then had to wait far too long for back-up.

Barry Hesketh
92 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:27:44
Jim @89
That's a bit optimistic thinking we'll have 31 points by mid April :)
Mark Taylor
94 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:33:59
I don't think you can claim it is too early to worry about relegation because we are only two games in. The way I see it, you look at the 'body of work' over the last couple of years, with those two matches added on, and it all fits. We are relegation fodder.

Unlike last season, I thought our cause would be helped by two obviously dross teams finishing below us, Luton and Sheffield, with us scuffing it out with Wolves, Bournemouth, Forest and maybe Burnley. But after that game, I think I'm being too complacent. The one team I imagine those bottom two would like to play right now is us and they'd fancy their chances.

As of now, we are roughly 2-1 to go down and in the bookies bottom 3. That looks realistic if not generous. This is just about as low as I've ever been, in 55 years of supporting Everton.

Alec Gaston
95 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:34:12
Keane not only played badly – he creates uncertainty all around him. Time for Branthwaite now I think.

Danjuma was the only one who looked genuinely interested; awful performance

Ian Edwards
96 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:34:35
Is it any surprise that we end up on the wrong side of hammerings when we select a team like that. Everyone has an opinion on tactics. I remain of the view and will say to my dying day that playing with one striker and three mids that don't create, assist, or score will only end in tears.

The defence is worse than last season without Coady and Mina.

The midfield is a fucking shambles. They do nothing defensively or offensively. The whole lot of them are shite: Onana, Gueye, Garner, Doucoure, Iwobi.

Danjuma should have started.

If Dyche goes back to Maupay up front on his own against Wolves with the three crabs in midfield, then he should be slung out with his P45.

Alan McGuffog
97 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:37:48
If Mr Dyche were to be given the bums rush, who, exactly, would be ordering the Uber?
Ed Prytherch
98 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:39:23
Iwobi has done his hammy so now we can't cash him out but Dobbin was an improvement.

It has taken only two games for Michael Keane to have a stinker. That might be a record for him.

Even Pickford had a poor game, gives away a penalty for one goal and then is nutmegged for another.

Out-coached and out-played we now have to hope that there are three teams worse than us again.

Tom Bowers
99 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:40:42
Okay, Dyche, you have gone with your gut instinct and failed. It's time to break up this team and get some new blood in.

They cannot hold any team in the midfield area.

Gana, Garner, Iwobe and Onana are not strong enough and do not play well together especially when the other team has the ball.

Sadly Calvert-Lewin will be of no use now having proved he is a crock.

In hindsight, letting Coady go and keeping his faith in Keane is a bust but many of us knew of Keane's weaknesses already.

Let's see if Dyche has the gut's to ring in the changes and if not then the same old, same old results will plague us.

Kieran Kinsella
100 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:41:12
Jonathan 87

“Some real positives though: DCL injury was his face”

Haha, I get what your saying but reading that as a positive shows how we are clutching for straws.

Neil and Ernie,

I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned about relegation. I'm saying I'm surprised people are saying we are basically relegated after two games.

Mike Connolly
101 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:42:11
Alan 97
40,000 fans
Colin Malone
102 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:43:16
The club are back in for 5ft-9in Ché Adams.
Kim Vivian
103 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:43:55
All well and good Ian - but that's another few million we haven't got, and cant spread over 4 or 5 years. We really are in a real pickle, no mistake. And who the fuck would come or could do a job. Damned if I can think.

Harrison, Chermiti, Young, Danjuma must be kicking themselves - but I guess they've got their wages to make them feel better - Gnonto will go to Germany. Who with a sound mind is coming here? We don't even have the funds to bribe them with.

I am as low as I can remember so far as Everton go. Will NEVER switch allegiance but at least I've got Brighton only about 30 miles away.

Christy Ring
104 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:44:37
Branthwaite has to start next week, Garner has to play in the middle, and Gray has to start on the wing.

I don't know why Dyche wants to sell him, there's a lot worse than him on display today, but playing Garner on the wing is ridiculous.

We need a right back, or put Young on the right and Mykolenko on the left, and can we bring in a striker before next Saturday?

Kevin Molloy
105 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:45:42
if we get Adams, that means we had a budget of £30M for a striker, and decided to buy a kid and Che Adams.

Early days, but I'm not sure that was the best use of our precious resources.

Bill Whity
106 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:46:20
Dyche and Fat Sam went to the same school of managers. Boring, no clue what to do when we concede.

"Oh, I know: bring on Maupye – he will save us." Well, perhaps not.

Mick Davies
107 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:46:34
Dyche interview, and no admittance of his own failings, and asking now for money for recruitment, which is about 6 weeks too late.

It's only after that shocking performance that he's realised that his pet, Keane, is worse than useless, but letting both Coady and Mina go shows just how much faith he had in a player we all knew isn't even good enough for the Championship.

The next 2 games are crucial for Dyche's future as Everton manager, as surely we can't allow another boss to carry on like a Carry On film until it's too late.

Bobby Mallon
108 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:48:43
Kevin @105,

How many goals did Che Adams score last season? He has scored 5 times after 38 match days, his conversion rate (shots to goals) is 1 in 14. scored 1 in every 7.5 games. Why on earth are we trying to sign him?

He is fucking shite and always will be, for fuck's sake. Give our kids a go, Sean – you know Branthwaite, Cannon, Dobbin, Onyango…

This should be stapled to Dyche's and Thelwell's heads.

George Cumiskey
109 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:49:59
I still think we need a proper playmaker even more than a striker.
Dale Self
110 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:52:17
If we didn’t sell all we have we likely would not have funds to make offers credible.
Kieran Kinsella
111 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:53:36

Did Dyche say he's seen the light 💡on Keane or is it that you being optimistic? I never thought in the dark days of Koeman's twilight, I never imagined he'd be a starter years and 7 managers later.

Mick O'Malley
112 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:54:43
Bobby, agreed.

What's the point in buying Adams? Just a typical muscular built Dyche type forward who doesn't score enough goals.

Ian Jones
113 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:55:35
Alan @29,

I think you'll find Villa are a decent team, not likely relegation candidates.

Jerome Shields
114 Posted 20/08/2023 at 16:59:09
I just can't believe how unprepared and badly organised this team is. Dyche has developed a real problem for himself. Keane should be dropped, but where is the back-up? Not only do Everton need a centre-forward, they also need a centre-back.

Dyche will be gone at this rate and that is worrying.

Kieran Kinsella
115 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:02:18

I’ve always hated the phrase “Better than nothing/no one.” Che Adam’s is a case in point proving that indeed less is often more. In this case not getting him would mean more cash left in the bank (or less of an overdraft at least). He would add nothing but would further deplete resources. Likewise it’s amazing to think that with FFP investigations going on and the need for a bridge loan that someone at the club (Thelwell? Dyche? Moshiri? Kenwright?) was floating the idea of a new six figures a week contract for Iwobi just a few months ago. If we cannot get better players let’s save money by refusing to bring in equally bad players and or jacking up wages for poor performers already here.

Alec Gaston
116 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:06:12
Che Adams is better than anyone we have -
Possibly even DCL - who else can we either afford or would want to sign for us - let’s hope Gnonto wasn’t watching today
Nick Page
117 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:07:36
If this club under these pricks running things doesn’t drop two divisions it will be a miracle.
Dean Williams
118 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:11:11
I'd like to see garner center mid. I'm not sure onana is giving enough.
Dave Abrahams
119 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:11:58
No use trying to get any sort joy out of that really pitiful performance, just hope we get three or more players in before the deadline because if we don’t we all know the outcome.
Ian Edwards
120 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:12:15
Just read that Sky Sports took the piss out of Dyche. They said with his black armband on he looker a Croupier. Outrageous and very insensitive given why he was wearing it.

And I hear one of our "fans" has racially abused a player on Instagram. A very bad day.

Pat Kelly
121 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:12:41
At this rate we won’t even be able to sign injured players. The window is probably over for us. As is the season. And the PL.
Craig Walker
122 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:13:09
Dyche is not the problem. I admit, he needs to let Keane go but Guardiola couldn’t get this lot to win matches. Danjuma and Garner looked good to me. Hoping Iwobi isn’t injured as he needs offloading. Idrissa Gueye is far too slow for the modern game. Problems all over the pitch. Onana offers nothing but I cannot abide seeing our players laughing when losing. I won’t be laughing. I’ll be back to not sleeping for months, again contemplating relegation. There are decent players out there, why can’t our scouts find them instead of looking at journeymen players with PL experience?
Mark Murphy
123 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:13:42
Nick page - I agree
Joe McMahon
124 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:18:45
Not impressed at Pickfords performance today. No one will be bidding for him as some thought.
Tony Everan
125 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:21:14
Aston Villa were fired up for this match after last week’s hammering. They wanted to put it right in front of their own fans. We fully knew all that, and were still left second best, slower in movement and speed of thought to an embarrassing level.

Amateurish mistakes were made with regularity. I don’t want to single a player out because there were so many of them guilty . The manager and players have a lot to put right.

It was dire to watch throughout.

Only Danjuma gets any sort of credit, looks like a left sided forward as his natural position, in the right set up will be an asset and get goals.

Next week against Wolves now has become of huge importance. We must win to get some confidence back quickly. Hopefully DCL will play with a protective mask. Changes to that starting lineup must be made, I’m thinking along the same lines as Christy above.


Young Tarkowski Branthwaite Mykolenko

Garner Gana Onana

Gray DCL Danjuma

We need more threat and players who can score goals. Gray is the best player on the books for that right sided slot to do it, whilst Jack Harrison's injured.

I don’t want to see us set up for a KITAP1 against Wolves, and they go and do a ‘Fulham’ on us. We can take the game to them and attack with some pace it if the manager is brave enough.

Gary Brown
126 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:25:00
Dyche has managed just over a goal a game in all his time in management. He is not the man to change our fundamental goal-scoring problem.

The problem is (no matter how much the Moyes nostalgists hark for it) the idea that KITAP1 wins football matches in the modern era is so flawed it's unreal.

The way the ball moves, the technicality of the players… the only way to stop them is by offering enough threat at the other end so they can't flood at you.

His selection of Keane ahead of Branthwaite, and playing centre-midfielders as wingers shows a manager with only one plan and one system. A system that got sussed 5 years ago, and will result in plenty more 4- or 5-0 beatings and the odds miracle of Brighton away in between.

Barry Hesketh
127 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:25:55
My concern isn't about which division we'll be playing in, in the next year or two, it's whether we'll have an Everton Football Club to annoy and irritate us at all.

The silence from the owner and the chairman isn't good, as it makes us look exactly what we are, a rudderless ship, drifting along in troubled waters, with no idea of how to navigate our way out of trouble.

Nick Page
128 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:26:22
Can’t understand why the ginger toe-nail chewer has ostracised Gray. And won’t play Branthwaite, who is wanted around Europe. The fucking thick headed c**t. Hope you’re reading this Dyche. Having favourites doesn’t win you football matches, especially if they’re called Michael Calamity Keane.
Colin Davidson
129 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:27:11
Whilst Dyche has been dealt a really bad hand and needs time the use of Keane is becoming a sackable offence especially as it also jeopardises Branthwaite’s future.

The man is so fragile it’s lamentable and might have some MH issues as can’t think of anybody who goes to pieces after a mistake.

I personally would even rather have Godfrey or even Holgate to this calamity of a footballer and hope that’s the last game he ever plays for us!

Ian Edwards
130 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:27:23
Next week I would pick:


Patterson Tarks Branthwaite Myko

Garner Doucoure Danjuma Young

Dobbin DCL.

I never want to see Onana or Gueye ever again.

Dale Self
131 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:27:29
Use Duche Nick. It’s okay really. My gift to you.

And Ian,let’s engage in some non-ad hominem shall we? I would play Dobbin and Danjuma 442 up front with Dobbin likely doing a lot of drifting wide. Then Young in front of Patterson to help him defensively. The midfield I have to think about but Duke likely loses out. More as we approach the Deathstar.

Billy Shears
132 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:28:49
Team for wolves game...4-4-2.


Tarks (Capt)


Cannon...and just give it a go FFS,be braver and take the game to Wolves!

Robin Emmerson
133 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:30:17
Another massively underwhelming performance by certain players on massive wages exhibiting a total lack of concentration, professionalism and character.
A week ago I left Goodison after watching us squander 5 gilt edged chances which cost us 3 points and saying to my daughter, "we'll get f**k all at Villa next week and this result will be magnified by 10 times because it's a game we should have won comfortably. We're definitely going to be in the mire if we can't get results against teams at the same level as we are".
Now we're rock bottom with no points, no goals, a minus 5 goal difference and the unwanted stress this early in the season of the next two fixtures being must-win games. I'm sure he's trying but watching Maupay is car crash viewing, someone needs to show due care and put him out of his misery for his own sake.
The general malaise at the club is alarming but until the absolute s**t-show at the top is resolved I fear days like this will be an all too recurring theme!
Kim Vivian
134 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:30:46
Alan J Thompson
135 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:33:06
Ian(#113); What do you base that on, getting beaten 5-1 last week which could have been more and beating some no hopers this week? Yes, they won 4-0 but due more to our incompetence than any great performance of their own.
Billy Shears
136 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:33:43
Sorry. injury!, play Patterson there instead.
John Williams
137 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:34:28
WE just don t have a midfield, anyone who thinks Onana is good, should see a shrink..
Patterson will not make a PL player, if he lives to be a hundred.
Having said that, Villa are a decent side, certainly at home.
Its going to be a long hard season, but if you put young
inexperienced players into that team, it will destroy them.

Ajay Gopal
138 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:37:44
Today was a bad day at the office for many including Pickford, Keane, Young, Doucoure, Onana, Gueye, Garner, Iwobi, even Calvert-Lewin before he got injured. Danjuma looked good, Dobbin was okay, Garner looked better when he was put into the base of midfield. Patterson and Tarkowski did okay, but Patterson did not get any protection all game in front of him. Hopefully, McNeil and Harrison coming back will improve the team.
Mick Davies
139 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:39:48
I just wish Keane and Maupay would join Gbamin in refusing to play for Everton again
Dale Self
140 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:41:57
We really don’t have a solution for Neto. Have we trained to play a 6-3-1?
Steve Brown
141 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:42:33
Here is the team I would pick - Keane and Patterson need to drop out for their own sakes:

Young Tarks Branthwaite Myko
Garner Onana Doucs
Dobbin DCL Danjuma

Clive Rogers
142 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:44:16
Patterson was dreadful today. Gave whoever had the ball on the left across of space. Digne put dangerous balls across time after time with no pressure on him at all. Most of Patterson’s passes went to them and his crosses went nowhere near the danger zone. Garner was no help to him either. Fail to see why some people think he is decent.
George Cumiskey
143 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:44:52
Billy Iwobi??? Lay off the sauce mate !
Charles Brewer
144 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:45:40
There is not a single outfield player of Premiership quality in this squad. Getting rid of Richarlison, Mina and, effectively Gray means there are no players capable of either providing effective defence or attack.

Having lost to Fulham and Villa (by a street) means that it is unlikely that there is a worse team in this division. Relegation this year is a certainty, the question is whether Everton will get the lowest number of points in top division history.

Michael Boardman
145 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:46:13
I just think this club is like a directors cut of Holiday on the Buses
John Raftery
146 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:47:05
Our team’s performance in this game was totally abject. There were few candidates for man of the match; Tarkowski, Garner and Danjuma. Of those Tarkowski was the most consistent.

There were more candidates for worst player; Keane, Onana, Doucouré and Gana among them. One had almost forgotten Doucouré was on the pitch until he was replaced by Onyango eight minutes into additional time.

The extent of the capitulation was alarming with the players showing a lack of heart as well as cohesion. Villa are a decent team with some very good players but this afternoon our players made it far too easy for them.

Barry Rathbone
147 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:47:08
Nothing you can do with a team that has not been capable of defence or attack for at least 2 years allied to a carefully crafted midfield of shite.

And why people are calling for personnel from the stiffs as the answer bemuses me. The squad is rammed with members of the "not up to it" club they won't make a blind bit of difference.

Need at least 5 competent newbies to have a chance of survival but as usual the summer window will come and go without the requisite action and the descent will continue.

2 games in and already hopes for 3 teams worse than us abound and the manager questioned - surely some kind of record.

Jerome Shields
148 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:47:45
I got the impression that the team thought they did okay last week, though the goal last week would have not been out of place today.

The performance today showed a total lack of work and any preparation effort during the week at training. It was an inattentive and clueless performance from beginning to end from most of the players.

Dyche need not look at the players' stats for that game. They are horrendous. The message at Finch Farm did not get through this week.

Oliver Molloy
149 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:48:51
I thought Dyche would make us hard to beat - two games in and already our next game is a six pointer !

Back to the same old same old - cannot pass a fucking ball, switching off, players in the wrong positions and the three stooges on the side line !
Too many bad performances all over the park - Dobbins and Dunjama tried...

DCL was brave with challenging - lots of players would have pulled out of that, I hope it's not too serious for him.
With the mess in the club at board level and displays like today is it any wonder why we can't attract players.
Everyone knows how desperate we are for a goal scorer and once again it could be we pay over the top for the Southampton lad who will not be the answer in my opinion.

Marc Hints
150 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:54:13
With Danjuma starting, McNeill back, Harrison starting, getting Gnonto and even Che Adams I'm sure things will look better. But got to drop Keane
Kieran Kinsella
151 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:55:27
In perspective Villa are arguably one of the best teams in the whole of Birmingham
Paul Smith
152 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:57:22
That was poor and as bad as anything under Frank. Btw wtf is with the 1970 collars on our shirt ? Even our kit style looks out of place in the Prem and very reminiscent of Leicester’s last season. It’s an omen.
Jason Hewly
153 Posted 20/08/2023 at 17:59:30
Still, at least Dyche is English and knows the league, eh.

(He doesn't know that Keane is still shite, like.)

Pat Kelly
154 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:00:46
I thought Dyche had something to offer. Organisation. Effort. Belief. None of that was evident today. I think he’s a busted flush. No, he was never a flush. But we’re stuck with him. And he’ll take this lot down. And Thelwell too. Signing Chermiti for the future when we hardly have a present. Getting an injured player in when we could be effectively relegated before, if, he’s fit. Could it get any worse. This is Everton, of course it could.
John Wignall
155 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:01:57
Groundhog day watching Everton nothing in this team same old faces nothing changes tactics poor clubs in a right mess
Paul Burns
156 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:02:17
Everton are doomed unless every single fan realises the club are in a shocking state and demands the sale of Everton FC to somebody who actually knows how to structure a top football club and remove the pathetic fools destroying it.

How on Earth another few months have been allowed to pass with Moshiri and Kenwright making the same amateurish mistakes that have been going on for decades, frittering away more money on second-rate players and tolerating permanent injuries and lack of fitness by so-called professional footballers, God only knows.

This Everton aspire to be a joke, mediocrity is only a pipe dream. Everton have an enormous fan base second to none in loyalty and passion but it's being taken for granted and wasted.

Total change now is the only answer, only the fans can change it. If they continue to sit on their hands and pretend rejigging a bad hand will make any difference, then relegation is nailed on already and what a shocking indictment that is.
Those involved in this debacle should be ashamed of themselves.

Christy Ring
157 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:04:23
We’re missing McNeill, and Harrison will make a difference, but we’re definitely missing Coleman, Patterson can’t defend, have to move Young to right back.
Glenn Williams
158 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:05:59
Here is a little trivia for you. There are four Premier League players who are on Jamaica's national team. All four are offensive players. Three of the four have already scored this year in the Premier League. The fourth one scored 2 and set up 2 in Jamaica's Gold Cup run and is on what's now the worst PL team but has not been included in a match day squad. Those players are De Cordova-Reid (scored against us last week), Leon Bailey (scored against us today) and Antonio (scored against Chelsea today). That fourth player who hasn't been played is Demarai Gray.
Robert Williams
159 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:09:01
That was a complete shit show.
I have no more to say!
Peter Mills
160 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:10:48
It was a feeble, pathetic, woeful performance.
Mike Price
161 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:11:43
Gray is our most/only talented player but we’re trying to sell him. Iwobi is a waste of space, it’s like playing with ten men. Keane, Maupay, you can go on and on.
The manager is the big worry now; his tactics don’t work and the way he rates and picks players is mystifying. Looks like another self sabotage job where he gets paid millions to walk away.
Allan Board
162 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:14:39
Dyche looked like a man who was surprised we were so shit! His post match interview tells me he is in trouble tactically.
Mind you, what the fuck can he ever know if he keeps playing The Cart Horse that is Keane? His mate I suppose, so he gets in ahead of a lad 10 years younger, twice as quick,light year's ahead technically and the future.
But hey, keeps it all nice n cosy eh Sean? Who'd you learn that off- our beloved chairman perhaps? He's been had already gentlemen.
Julian Exshaw
163 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:14:49
Just watched a recording of the game but tuned off when it got to 4. The result and performance didn't surprise me because I wasn't expecting anything better. I was dubious about the pre-season confidence of some on here that we could reach 10th to 12th but I just didn't feel it. I just don't see any progress under Dyche although I do sympathise with him as his hands are tied, to a degree, by our lack of funds but this was supposed to be his strength as a coach; to organise a team to be well-organised and hard to beat. This team today was neither.It is the same slow, predictable football we've had for ages and it's exhausting to watch.
The team practically picks itself, there's no relief on the bench and no marquee signing to come into the club to lift the place. How worrying is the fact we go to relegated clubs to recruit! We actually loan an injured player from a club that was relegated!! What other PL club loans players from Championship teams??
I imagine we'll win or draw with Wolves next week and we'll plod along for a while but for how long?
Michael Boardman
164 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:17:13
I was travelling to a cruise from Southampton at the end of last season wearing colours – both me and my daughter suffered chants from RS fans while at a service station (banter, nothing physical, and I have to say I appreciated it), and I backed this club up.

On the cruise, I watched the Bournemouth game and spent the evening in celebration, with weirdly a lot of West Ham fans, as well as RS, Derby, Man Utd etc.

This is my lowest point, and I'm done with this club until they blow Bill Kenwright out of the water

Jonathan Oppenheimer
165 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:17:53
Kieran @100,

I'm entirely clutching for straws and mostly being sarcastic in my search for positives!

Sean Mitchell
166 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:19:49
Getting rid of Coady and keeping Keane was criminal.

Brainthewaite must be wandering how the hell he's not being picked.

Same players, usual let down. Yet Dyche continues to pick them.

Another Monday at work depressed.

Go away Everton.

Ivor Keyes
167 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:20:21
Can't score, can't defend, curtains already!?

Where is this so-called winning mentality, fitness etc.?

I very much doubt that any of the management team will look at those comments, almost a waste of time making comments.

Clive Rogers
168 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:20:38
Young has not improved us at all. Easily beaten for the first goal and gave another away with his throw-in.

No attacking from him at all. Poor signing.

Mike Price
169 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:24:29
Pickford's agent played a blinder placing stories of Spurs, Chelsea and Man Utd after him. It was laughable.

No one wants him because he's more liability than asset. All the talk got him a fat, new inflated contract though.

Billy Shears
170 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:25:18
We just need our players back from injury plus a few more signings and we'll be fine, methinks... certainly safe from yet another safety battle.
David West
171 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:27:58
It's time for a change!!! As well as we played last week, this week shows that most of these players who have played the last few seasons are too inconsistent. We can play okay one week, terribly the next, and it will continue with the same personnel in the same positions.

Bring in Branthwaite.
Take out Keane.
Put Garner into the centre.
Take Gana out.
Play Danjuma and Calvert-Lewin or Maupay.

There needs to be a fresh approach and ideas. Danjuma looks like he could be the key but he's not going to fire us to saftey 30 yards ahead of the nearest supporting player.

3 supposed CM players are just not good enough, not creating, not defending, not delivering. Play Onana, Garner and Iwobi in there we can't be any worse. They need a bollocking!!

If he doesn't make changes next match, it will show that this type of performance is acceptable.

David Bromwell
172 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:31:07
This was obviously a very poor performance, and I cannot think of one area of the team where the players played well. Individually and collectively we were poor, and it looks like there will be no easy fixes before next weeks game.

Today we were over-run, and the manager has to find a better and more effective way of playing. He too was poor again today, and his team selections were strange and proved to be mistaken. He needs to find some magic, and quick.

Rob Dolby
173 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:32:32
A collective bad day at the office again.

Tactics wrong, individual mistakes cost us rather than villa ripping us apart.

Just not good enough from all over the park.

It will be interesting to see who Dyche picks next week assuming Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi are out.

Ian Edwards
174 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:36:58

Onana was racially abused on Instagram.

Calvert-Lewin's Dad has posted on social media that his Son was abused and booed off after possibly breaking a cheekbone.

Shocking. Disgusting.

Nick Page
175 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:38:00
Billy Shears - this isn't Pepperland and the Blue Bill Meanies are still after us.

Hard to see these shithouses winning 10 games. Hard to see them scoring 10 goals.

Ralph Basnett
176 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:38:26
All that money Chelsea have spent and they are only 1 point ahead of us.
Joe McMahon
177 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:39:31
For those talking about Harrison, can I just remind you he is injured and it will probably be October before he's match-fit.

Another reminder he is joining the many Everton players who have already been relegated including the manager (twice).

Christy Ring
178 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:40:14
Can someone tell me, looking at today's performance, why Dyche wants to sell Gray?

Iwobi, even though injured now, should be sold, considering he can walk away for nothing next summer, and before his injury today, lost possession every time and never helped Young.

Shane Corcoran
179 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:40:30

I queried whether Calvert-Lewin was booed off on the live forum as I suspected his thumbs up to the fans on the way off was dripping in sarcasm. Best fans in the league?

Jack Convery
180 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:44:46
You need leadership and real guts to play this game at Premier League level. Everton lack a true leader and most of the players lack real guts.

If Man Utd want Onana for £60M, let him go. We cannot afford a project in midfield. So what if he goes on to be a legend? We cannot afford to wait, especially as a points deduction may well come our way in October.

Sell Keane, Holgate and (if he won't sign a new contract) sell Iwobi too. If nobody wants to buy Keane and Holgate, loan them out but get rid, as they create chaos for others when they are in the team. Go with Tarkowski and Branthwaite.

We need a proper right-back. Ask Arsenal for Cedric Soares. They loaned him to Fulham last season so there's a good chance Arteta may do us a favour.

As for the midfield, where do you start? We need a leader in there asap. I believe Garner is our best central midfielder so he starts every game. He is wasted at right midfield and in two consecutive games he has failed to track a runner and on both occasions the opposition scored. (Is playing practically all summer catching up with him?) Put him back in his best position.

We then have to hope that one of Harrison and Danjuma can do a job on the right from what we have aboard at present. Though Danjuma may be needed to play centre-forward until we buy a decent one that's oven-ready and not a project.

Gueye looks as though starting in a game is a bit too much when the opposition are passing and moving quickly. He may be better coming on for the last 30 minutes to shore things up if per chance we are leading a game or hanging on for a point.

Doucouré perplexes me. Sometimes he does effective things but at the same time he can look like a new born baby giraffe trying to sort out which foot goes where and he's only got two to sort out, not four.

Onana believes he's going to be a legend but not with us. He looks like he's capable of a lot more. Last season watching him run away from Arsenal's midfield maestro Odegaard was one of the sights of the season. However, a single glimpse of the sun does not make a summer and we need a hell of a lot more from a player supposedly on the up and valued at near £60M.

Continuing to play Gana, Onana and Doucoure in the centre of the park will lead to more defeats like today.

Up front… Jeez. Maupay should go this window. He is not the answer, especially given how Dyche plays the game.

For fuck's sake, go out and buy a centre-forward, loan one in or get in a Bosman but do something. If Calvert-Lewin is fit… great, but recent history tells us that is not always the case. He was very unlucky today but Everton comes first.

Replacements that shouldn't cost the earth:

RB: Cedric Soares from Arsenal on loan.
DM: Chavez on a Bosman. Mexican International a little cracker.
CM: McTominay on loan with an option to buy.
Use the Onana money to buy a decent centre-forward and decent central defender.

Aad a new board and owner!!!!

Ian Edwards
181 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:45:18
Everyone gets frustrated and I use the Live Forum to get it off my chest... but there is a line and some people cross it. I made no comment about it at the time but I saw on the forum the word "spastic" today.

I'm not sure social media is a force for good and Twitter under Musk will get worse. But... that's for another day.

Billy Shears
182 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:45:29
Gray should be starting games too as he's our best bet of creativity and scoring goals as it stands.

But sadly Dyche doesn't rate him and he will be sold sometime soon!

Bill Gall
183 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:48:07
it needs more than the tactics changing, it needs fresh thoughts.

I thought that Dyche may be the answer but I think he is a Dinosaur in a modern world, and prefers brute force and energy to overcome quick thinking and positional play.

Gary Brown
184 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:51:20
We didn’t play well last week. We played a shite Fulham team and they beat us 1-0.
Barry Hesketh
185 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:57:31
Perhaps all the Dyche bashers are correct, maybe the only possible solution is to appoint Coleman as manager, aided and abetted by Baines, which might galvanise the fan-base. Even if that were to happen, they'd still only be able to select from the current squad, there's no way they could fill the team with inexperienced players in this Premier League.

It might work, but there's as much chance that it won't. I'm not sure that Coleman has his coaching badges either. What certainly won't happen is that an outsider will come into this club and grasp the nettle and provide instant solutions, the damage has been done and it will take a long long time to fix.

I hate being an Evertonian at times like these, and I dislike it even more when Ian Edwards is able to bash the fans, due to some moronic idiots doing and saying what he reported them doing and saying.

Gnonto and Adams won't improve things either, the much derided Antonio provided more good hold up play and a nice finish for West Ham today, but he's not suitable or good enough for Everton?

Paul Tran
186 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:58:15
That's terrible, Ian. Hope we're not going back to the racism of the early 1990s.

And having a go at someone who's broken a cheekbone is beyond stupid.

Mal van Schaick
187 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:58:17
Very poor by Everton. I can't see how any more new faces are going to change our situation, and at this rate Dyche's position is at risk.

Silence is golden from the board. Says it all.

Raymond Fox
188 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:03:24
We are almost the same team we were last season, were you expecting them to become stars?

I mean who in their right mind would want to sign for us?
Apart from anything else, if I believed in that sort of thing, I would swear this club is cursed, its one calamity after another.

They were odds-on today to beat us, okay we played poorly and got what we deserved but I can't say I'm that suprised.
We lost at home last game but I thought, apart from not putting the ball in net, we played quite well.

Injuries we can't afford already killing us and we do need to find some decent replacements if they're daft enough to sign for us.

It's going to be another "fasten your safety belts" season, but I thought that's what we were expecting.

Mark Murphy
189 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:03:56
I play cricket on Saturdays so don't even recognise football until September … but I would've gone this game if I'd known it was Sunday earlier.

But anyway, that was shite. Something has to change. We're not even recognisable as a team!

Pickford and Tarkowski… plus 9 new players.

Ian Bennett
190 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:04:00
This is what happens if you keep playing deadwood and play players with no key differential to the opposition.

You can change the manager as often as you like, the same players will roll out that type of performance.

We have zero threat – and judging on today, not many footballers. This side would lose against the builders XI from Bramley-Moore Dock.

I said in the pre-season, he would play Keane from the start and I was right. Keane is oblivious to danger, he can head it, but don't be expecting anything else. Seemingly despite stinking the gaff out for 6 years plus, he needs to shit the bed 5 or 6 times before he gets dropped. What's the definition of insanity again?

Patterson is a fit lad and can run around the pitch, but his delivery is poor and he has a mistake in him learning on the job. That's fine in a good team, but is costing a shit team dearly.

The midfield 5 is doing the job of a 3. Garner can pass, none of them can score, whilst the creativity, positional sense and tackling is sub-par. Some aren't even footballers.

Gana looks finished. His passing is poor, and his pace seems to have deserted him. That means he seems permanently on a yellow or missing in action.

The two ghosts of Doucouré and Onana were on the team sheet, but actually do anything meaningful? Forget it. Garner played some nice cross-field passes, but again didn't track his runner for another easy McGinn finish.

Calvert-Lewin injured again. He's shit out of luck with a dislocated check bone. Iwobi follows him and McNeil. Always our better players, isn't it?

So how does it get resolved? Signing players that have already failed and expecting another result is crackers. I watched Ché Adams play yesteday, and those happy for us to sign another average player will point to 3 goals in 3 games.

I'll tell them he had 3 touches in the first 24 minutes. Had 9 touches in the first half against a newly promoted League One side, and was broadly out of the game against a limited opponent.

He did score in the 94th minute, but if he's going to be our survival hope as Calvert-Lewin is again injured, I'll say forget it. Against bigger and faster defenders, he will be in their back pockets.

So 2 matches in, and it's purely down to whether there will be 3 weaker teams. This side has zero hope on breaking the cycle of failure.

With no money and a payroll that's in the top 30 in the world, we really are a lesson in how not to do things. Kenwright would be proud.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Broadly translated as Sunday Sky game of Everton nil.

Billy Shears
191 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:04:27
What does Onana do, like?

Kenwright brought back Gana Gueye... a player I fucking despise.

Garner... looks good in spells.
Doucouré... should be our Midfield enforcer and still could be.

A midfield of McNeil, Doucouré, Harrison and Gnonto is what we should be aiming for.

Colin Malone
192 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:06:03
Gray should be starting? No way.

You need leadership and real guts?

Guile override both.

A dinosaur manager?

Absolutely. Blood sweat and more tears don't even work in the Sunday league.

Jeff Armstrong
193 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:06:16
Barry 185, good point about outsiders coming and needing time to assess our current squad, it took both Dyche and Lampard months and many lost points to work out that the likes of Holgate, Gomes, Davies etc are not up to standard,.

I thought the penny had dropped with Dyche over Keane at the end of last season, but no, Mina and Coady leave, and he’s back to picking the oil tanker again, which has proven to be quite costly.

Michael Lynch
194 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:07:01
Utter dogshit. Worst team in the Premier League, certainties to be relegated.

I will support the club whatever, but I'm now looking ahead to next season in the Championship and, hopefully, a re-set with a new attitude and a complete change of personnel both on and off the field.

The worst team in our history.

Phil Lewis
197 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:09:19
I've repeatedly said it on here, I'll repeat it one final time:

Sell Pickford, sell Onana. They are the only current players that will bring in big money. Both are expendable.

Pickford is vastly overrated, while Onana will never be a footballer while he has a whole in his arse.

Joe McMahon
198 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:09:32
Ian @181, thanks for pointing that out, this isn't acceptable language in 2023.
Pete Neilson
199 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:10:23
Shane (179),

I was at Villa Park and, while there were a few who booed Calvert-Lewin, the vast majority didn't. Noisy minority.

Frank Fearns
200 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:12:00
Jack @180, I agree with all you say but what "decent centre-forward and centre-back" would want to come to our tin-pot club? Any decent player looking at the way we played today would run a mile.

Complete shambles. I couldn't understand the game plan from the kick-off and sorry to say we have a number of players just not Premier League standard.

I feel very sorry for our brilliant away supporters – they don't deserve what's being served up.

Barry Hesketh
202 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:13:26
Phil @197,

A good post and I broadly agree, and I'm beginning to think that the club should start the rebuild now, and so losing a few 'good' players won't do any more harm than keeping them here for this season.

Let's be honest: if the worst was to happen, none of them would hang around to help us climb back into the top league. From that perspective, take the money whilst we can get it, but I'm not sure we'll find many if any takers for those 'prized possessions'.

Jay Evans
203 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:14:01
I hope no one seriously thinks that our number 9 would even consider playing in a protective face mask.

Just as if.

Ha ha ha ha.

John Connor
204 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:14:22
Well, even me as an eternal optimist was distraught after today. I know it's only two games in, but there doesn't seem to be a strategy to get us out of the mess we have created.

Pathetic individual and team performance today. To think we still have 10 days to lose more players; outside of Championship players, we are not in the market for anyone. With this start, will anyone take a chance on signing for us? I know I wouldn't.

We have to get our first win next Saturday against Wolves; otherwise, it looks like a downward spiral until next May.

To think this is the first year I qualify for the over-65 discount on my season ticket, at present not sure I should have bothered. But, like most Evertonians, I will keep supporting them and 'hope' for the best.

Tom Bowers
205 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:15:40
The writing is on the wall already. Villa missing 2 key players still thrash Everton who really don't have a clue.

A big shake up needed and that, sadly to say, may need a replacement of the manager yet again.

I know we can make excuses here and there but surely to God, enough is enough.

I find it a sorry state of affairs when we struggle to lure second rate players and then sign a washed-up 38-year-old full-back.

How is it teams like Brighton and Brentford can sign no-name players who compete much better than any of Everton's signings??

If this dilatory board don't act soon, then I fear it is finally sayonara to the Premier League.

Mark Murphy
206 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:17:27
Frank, at the risk of attracting the ire of our much-lauded away support (of which I am one) we fucked off at half-time today to hit the pubs!

There's loyal and there's fucking dumb! We need to boycott this shit!

David West
207 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:17:34
Ian agree about Dcl, shocking if he's getting booed. The lad played on with a face like the elephant man. I watched him off the ball and you could see he was in agony.

It's bad luck, it's not another flare up, a set back or reoccurring injury the lad got clattered going for a ball.

Christy. Yes Iwobi is not our creative answer especially wide.
Embarrassing how many times he was sucked inside leaving massive gaps and not helping young.

David West
208 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:17:34
Ian, I agree about Calvert-Lewin, shocking if he's getting booed. The lad played on with a face like The Elephant Man. I watched him off the ball and you could see he was in agony.

It's bad luck, it's not another flare-up, a set-back or reoccurring injury the lad got clattered going for a ball.

Christy. Yes, Iwobi is not our creative answer especially wide. Embarrassing how many times he was sucked inside leaving massive gaps and not helping young.

David Sloan
209 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:19:41
A few posters calling for Dyche's head very early in the season.

Who do folk see as a potential alternative?

Mick Davies
212 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:25:45
An owner who is never even in the country, a non-existent board with a dictator who is always crying illness but still collects his huge salary for doing the sum total of zilch.

A manager and staff who haven't got a clue and a bunch of players who have done their best to get the club relegated for years, and we still look forward to the season with optimism!

Strange bunch, us Evertonians – if this had happened to our red neighbours, there would have been riots outside the ground and numerous fan groups lobbying MPs, the Pope and the UN… but we just shrug it all off and hope Calvert-Lewin will be fit in a few months.

Ian Riley
213 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:26:24
Hopefully, people realise now. Staying up will be an achievement.
Kieran Kinsella
214 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:27:42
A lot of people disgraced themselves today and I'm not talking football.

Kieran Maguire (who has since deleted his Twitter page) and Sky Sports making jokes about a black arm band tribute to a deceased young man. Some guy called Anthony Speckman racially abusing Onana. People abusing Calvert-Lewin.

The club, press, government, social media etc need to do a better job of naming shaming and whatever else they can legally do to stop ignorant scum bags carrying on like this.

Grant Rorrison
215 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:29:39
David West @208.

He looked nothing like Joleon Lescott. I don't know what game you were watching.

Nick Page
216 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:30:13
Kieran - what's happened? What did Maguire do and what's the story with Sky? I have missed all this.
Mick Davies
217 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:31:40
Grant, not in good taste that; Lescott suffered a serious head injury as a child.
Barry Hesketh
218 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:31:48
Kieran @214,

None of these major platforms should have allowed anonymity to be the go-to method of communicating.

So long as moronic brain-dead people can hide behind a made-up user name they will continue to spread their vile abuse and hatred without ever being detected, never mind punished.

Andy Crooks
219 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:34:47
Desperate stuff from players and coach. There is a lack of backbone in this group. No responsibility, no shame and no fight. Everyone on this forum will be hurting more than that bunch of hiding inadequates.

It would be a failure in duty of care if Dyche selects Keane again, in fact, it would be cruel. I really did not expect that we would have a must-win game in August but we have.

Bring in a striker, win against Wolves and show some pride. Let today be the lowest point.

David Hallwood
220 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:35:06
On a positive note, we're only 6pts off the top😁
Peter Mills
221 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:36:54
Dave A, at least Onana didn't go missing today – he just didn't bother turning up in the first place.

On the plus side, grandson Sam, playing in his unfavoured position in goal, helped his team win the pre-season Cup, scoring once and saving twice in a 3-each-side penalty shootout.

Andy Crooks
222 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:39:00
@215, hope you're proud of that one.
Kunal Desai
223 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:41:10
Players that we bring in between now and the end of the window are not going to make significant difference in where we finish, but I do fear it's going to be another nail biter like the previous two seasons and not a 14th or 15th place finish.

A point at home to Wolves at best beckons.

Kieran Kinsella
224 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:41:25

Maguire “quipped” that Everton were wearing black arm bands to commemorate their performance.

Sky team including Hinchcliffe were making jokes about how Dyche looked with his arm band.

Les Callan
225 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:41:47
I don’t think Davie Hickson would have gone off injured.
Ian Bennett
226 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:42:11
I've worked out who our new sponsor should be for the new stadium.

I am going The Viagra.

We seem to have a problem going soft, so hopefully the sponsor can stiffen us up with a bit if blue.

Les Callan
227 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:44:40
Ian, I’m going with Poundland.
James Newcombe
228 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:49:41
I work with someone who met Hinchcliffe once – she said he only mentioned he played for Man City, which I found surprising…

Do you think he doesn't like us?

Barry Hesketh
229 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:50:37
Les @225

Hickson played sixty odd years ago, when the risks of head injuries weren't a even a consideration and players were reliant on playing to feed their families, unlike today's millionaire players.

I said earlier on this thread that Dominic should have left the pitch immediately following the incident; the fact that he didn't was brave but foolish of him, as another clash could have inflicted further damage. I'm not sure that the medical team did him any favours either.

Hopefully, it looks a lot worse than it actually is, and that the lad is back in the squad soon.

As for those at the game who gave him stick for coming off, I can only believe that they didn't realise that his face had come up like a balloon. And if they did, why do they bother going to watch Everton in the first place? We're all better off without that type of 'supporter'.

Geoff Williams
230 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:51:05
The only positive coming out of today's game is Iwobi's hamstring injury.

I don't think Dyche is a very good manager. He may be forced into playing the youngsters as some of the more senior players continue to underperform.

Brendan McLaughlin
231 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:51:47
Shocking, Kieran #224,

A black armband is instantly recognisable as marking a passing. The fact that these morons attempted to make fun of that is despicable...

Dave Abrahams
232 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:52:52
Peter (221),

Onana and a few more today didn't ease the worries we Evertonians carry with us daily. Very disappointing and discouraging, to say the least.

At least you have Charlie and Sam to take your mind off the Blues and give you something to smile about. I'm made up for Sam, his dad and his grandad!!

Mick O'Malley
233 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:52:57
Mick Davies, absolutely spot on.

I'm sick to my back teeth of this "We'll be alright when Calvert-Lewin is back" bullshit, he's absolutely fucking useless when he's on the pitch.

The only time he has scored goals was when James and Digne were dropping it on his head 6 yards from goal. Since those two left, he's contributed absolutely fuck-all! I wish we could just move on from him, he had a decent 3 months under Carlo and nothing since.

Phil, if Onana won't make a footballer as long as he's got a hole in his arse, how will we sell him and who'd buy him? It's the wasters like Calvert-Lewin, Doucouré and Keane who should be fucked off… constant let-downs.

Barry Hesketh
234 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:53:52
Brendan @231

The Villa fans must have known why we were wearing black armbands as they joined in the minute's applause for the lad who sadly passed away, so how come Sky and its pundits didn't?

Kieran Kinsella
235 Posted 20/08/2023 at 19:56:41

Maguire pathetically when called out said “I didn't know” why the team were wearing arm bands but, as Brendan points out, regardless of the person being remembered, there's no mistaking a black armband is a somber tribute so someone dying.

Tony Williams
236 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:01:59
This is has been going on for years, and we are all moaning about it, and we are all enabling it. We are all to blame for this.

They know next week Goodison will be full, well it shouldn't be: it should be empty, we are all accepting the garbage we are and have been witnessing for years.

I for one will not be going, I am protesting by staying away. If all you moaners go and watch, how are things going to change?

We know we will win, lose or draw but we all deserve a team that's fit and knows how to play football. Don't forget how privileged these people are. This is their job, they do nothing else.

Danny O’Neill
237 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:04:58
How I saw it.

Despite being eternal optimist, that is possibly one of the worst collective performances I've seen in a while. Villa didn't have to work too hard for that, but totally deserved the result.

The only players I can give some sort of credit to are Tarkowski, doing it on his own, and Pickford, who kept the score down with one great save in particular. Although some will point out that his left hook that Bellew would have been proud of gave them the penalty to make it 2-0.

I don't like doing it, but Michael Keane cost us. He let McGinn ghost past him on a diagonal for the first, almost standing still in admiration. I don't know what he was doing for the 3rd, and as for the 4th, oh dear!

But let's not hide and blame one player. That was a poor team performance all around and we seemed absent of a midfield.

Two games in, 36 to go. It feels bad, but it's not the end of the football world.

Dave Lynch
238 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:08:37
This journeyman of a manager should be given 5 games to pull us out of the Bottom 3 or be sacked.

I wasn't enamoured with him in the first place, he's tactically inept and will take us down

Barry Hesketh
239 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:12:21
Tony @236,

If a protest of absence is going to take place, what better time to do it than the Arsenal evening game, which is live on Sky.

If we haven't bought in suitable reinforcements and are expected to carry on regardless, there has to be some reasonable dissent shown by the supporters at some point.

The silence from the owner and the board cannot continue past the end of the transfer window. And you're right: in days of yore, many seats would have been empty, for many games, if the fare that has been served up recently had been served up then.

Unfortunately, I believe the ownership and the senior management couldn't give a monkey's uncle about the supporters, and they probably blame us for the state that we're in. After all, a number of people on this site believe that to be so.

Anthony A Hughes
240 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:13:11
Lots of comments today on the live forum and on this thread.

I think the time has come now that no matter what happens, no matter how much we care and we love our team we have to accept we are no longer relevant

What happened in the past means nothing now and we will never be that club again.

Year upon year of of mismanagement and decline has finished us for good.

I hate to type this and it hurts like hell but were a million miles away from being a successful Premier League team.

Brendan McLaughlin
241 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:16:06
Exactly Barry #234

Feel for the young man's family and friends...they certainly didn't deserve any controversy around his tribute at the game.

Anthony Jones
242 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:22:23
If you cannot support the team after just two disappointing games then don't go to the match. Walking out at half time is just bizarre. How much did that day out cost the geniuses? We are better off without nasty, entitled fans at the game adding more pressure for the clearly nervous players.
John Keating
243 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:22:48
We can talk about only 2 games in to, an oh so long season, however, we are really in the shit early doors
Horrendous result, horrendous performance
Pete Neilson
244 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:22:50
Peter (221) I was trying to figure out what Onana does in his spare time when he’s disappeared from the game. Watching him today he kind of zonal marks the centre circle and won’t deviate from that patch except on a handful of occasions. Very odd. Still, maybe this very niche and specific skill is what is attracting the “top clubs” (at least according to some media).
Of course he might be told to operate exactly in this way but that would be even more worrying.
Personally I just wish Dyche would tell him he has to get much more involved in the game and to use his physicality.

Not all on Onana though. The rest of the team were dire with just the occasional glimmer from Danjuma.

Henrik Lyngsie
245 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:24:24
Christy 178. I was counting. First 31 minutes Iwobi lost the ball 6 times. 4 times he tried to dribble or misplaced a pass. Two hopeless crosses nowhere near hitting a blue.
And then on their first goal he was just watching as usual and exposing Young as you said.
Frankly speaking when I saw Danjuma warming up I though Dyche would have substituted Iwobi.
With Danjuma, McNeil and Harrison I hope we have seen Iwobi for the last time.
Chris Jenkins
246 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:26:05
Brendan #231- absolutely correct ; Kieran # 224 & 235- their comments are inexcusable and illustrate the depravity that is becoming an increasingly common characteristic of sections of the media
Clive Rogers
247 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:28:09
Anthony, 242, it’s not just 2 games, it’s 2 decades nearly 3 decades.
Anthony Jones
249 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:36:36
Clive, you are conflating the performance of the team during game 2 of a new season with the senior leadership at the club. It makes no sense to write off the team because you are frustrated with Kenwright, Moshiri, or anyone else.
Clive Rogers
250 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:37:04
Thelwell is yet to make what I would call a good buy. Some are to young, some too old and the others not good enough.
Sam Hoare
251 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:38:11
Bad, bad, bad day; not made better by the same people who said we were 100% nailed on to get relegated last season saying the same this season after 2 games.

Clearly it was 'miles off' as Dyche said and it's been a wretched start to the season but sacking the manager (again) at this point would be about the worst thing we could do. If we're still playing that badly in a month or two then maybe that's another discussion!!

There is no one or two players, either those missing (Grey and McNeill) or those incoming (Gnonto and Adams), who would fix what happened today. It will require better work by the whole team and management. Which they are capable of. We saw this team (with less options) grind out results last season when the bookies favourite to go down and they can do again.

Beat Wolves, Doncaster and Sheff United and we'll be in the top 10 and through to next round of the cup! Hope springs eternal. Just about.

Bill Fairfield
252 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:40:56
Couldn’t care less who the manager is. They are doomed to failure under the current owner and board of directors. It’s pathetic.
John Kavanagh
253 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:45:36
That was as abject a performance as we've seen in recent years and that is some achievement in itself. We are repeating the errors of previous years and not just on the pitch.

The players 'for the future' we've bought in at no small cost have not even marginally improved the team. (Was Onana playing today?)

The hope being placed on Che Adams being an improvement on Maupay is not based on any rational analysis of his career, it is merely another desperately misplaced act of faith. And, yet again, it looks like we will be overpaying. A cardinal sin for a cash strapped club.

The only thing that will bring an instant boost would be the immediate departure of our 'temporary' chairman and his Persian doormat/Usmanov dirty money laundrette. We might not win many or indeed any matches this season, but we would at least have some future to look forward to. I'd take administration and a points deduction now to get rid once and for all.

Under Kenwright we have been, are, and forever will be cursed. Time to put a Stake (sic) through the heart of this vampire sucking the life out of our club.

John McFarlane Snr
254 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:45:39
Hi Danny [237] As I listened to the game on the radio I thought of you, and the fans who regularly attend away games, [as I used to, some years ago].
I am as disappointed as any other fan, and I have no doubt that you, like myself, would never consider turning your back on the team, as Tony Williams [236] recommends.
I view you as a supporter doing what "Supporters" do, I liken this to the marriage vows which finish with the words, "Till death does us part." and I have learned over the years to recognise that for every winner there's a loser, it's never a pleasure but there are worse things in life.
Tony Williams
255 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:46:28
Barry 239
I think what you suggest is a good idea, but I think one game won't be enough. I don't think this can go on any more.
As I said, I will be boycotting the Wolves game as well.
Ian Bennett
256 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:54:08
Dcl - 7 touches
Iwobi - 14 touches
Gana - 17 touches
Doucoure - 32 touches

That's horrific. That's 4 players not even in the game. Too many passengers on this bus.

Charles Brewer
257 Posted 20/08/2023 at 20:59:42
The problems are well beyond the ability of Dyche or any other manager to solve. The rot that started at the top 30 years ago, and has now infected every part of the club.

In a post last week, I described the place as having the smell of the charnel house about it. Literally, a charnel house is a place where bones and rotting bodies are stored, and more metaphorically it is a place of death, physical corruption and despair.

This club is just that. It is dead, decomposing and anyone anywhere near it can recognised the danger of being anywhere near it.

The players know it and show it by their lack of commitment, application and constant fear and incompetence. Anyone with any talent - Gray, Mina, Onana is desperate to get out before their career is wrecked by remaining onboard this footballing version of the Titanic.

I suspect that Tom Davies is the happiest man in football at being signed by the "likely to go down" Sheffield United rather than being at the miserable gulag that is Goodison and Finch Farm.

If it is to survive - and I mean literally "survive", not just avoid relegation or suchlike - it requires a revolution and the summary, condign and very public expulsion and humiliation of Kenwright, Moshiri, Alli, Gbamin and their ilk, and the regime of lickspittle courtiers that supported them - I don't know the details and names.

At the end of Hamlet, Fortinbras marches into the castle where the inept, murderous, pointless, worthless Hamlet, Claudius and the rest of the royal family lie dead having destroyed, for no benefit, everything they once owned and ran. In several productions I have seen, Fortinbras simple orders his soldiers to get rid of the bodies like the trash that they now are, and have been for the entire duration of the play. They are swept into the 'poubelle' of history and forgotten. (My apologies, I find the French word stronger in dismissiveness and insult than any similar English term).

Kenwright and his Biden-like stooge Moshiri must go immediately. The rest of the regime must be replaced from top to bottom. Players who refuse or have refused to train or turn out should be summarily dismissed and sued for return of wages taken under false pretences.

I very much doubt that anything can be done before this club collapses in the biggest and most spectacular apocalypse the sporting world has ever seen, but I have been supporting them for over 60 years. I have sadly passed on my affection to the club my father and grandfather supported to my son.

My affection has been replaced by a burning anger.

Damian Nolan
258 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:00:32
Mike [90 ] sorry the thread is so far back but you are correct about these revisionists. They happily acquiesced in the mismanagement and the resulting mire when the cushioned seats in the press box were theirs.
I went to a “meet and greet” once at Goodison and put the assertion to Prentice. It was in the aftermath of an excoriating article he had written about Terry Phelan after his departure citing all manner of misdemeanours; events he knew about at the time but failed to challenge as the nominated Everton correspondent.
Rather than justify his conflict of interest he refused to debate it. I have seen him several times since and I still ask him about it. He has never answered but now, in his dotage, he wants to appear omniscient and as if he is the one who has seen the light.
His previous preference for an easy Everton life when he had the perfect vehicle to challenge the conduct of the club hierarchy means he should forfeit and entitlement to airtime.
Jamie Sweet
259 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:09:50
Breaking news: Wilfried Gnonto has withdrawn his transfer request and is now begging Leeds not to sell him to Everton.
Brendan McLaughlin
260 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:14:11
Still believe Sean's the man.
Ian Jones
261 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:18:57
Alan J @ 135
Based on the fact that Villa are a decent team, they have a better squad of players, a better manager, finished high enough to be in Europe this season.
Pat Kelly
262 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:19:26
I see what you did there Brendan. But signing end of career players, unproven youngsters and injured players doesn’t fill me with trust.
Paul Hewitt
263 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:20:29
Paul Hewitt
264 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:22:49
It's only been 2 bloody games. Let's see where we are after say 12.
Tony Everan
265 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:25:41
Arouna Kone
Samuel Eto
Oumar Niasse
Enner Valencia
Cenk Tosun
Sandro Ramirez
Moise Kean
Josh King
Salomon Rondon
Neal Maupay

Strikers we have bought since Lukaku joined the club, apart from DCL. DCL has scored more than the other ten players combined and deserves respect not abuse. I can’t believe a few numpties would boo him, but I suppose every club has a few of this type of fan.

I just hope that this tiny minority doesn’t affect him and he understands that 99.9% support his efforts to get back and help us.

They need to save their dissatisfaction for the person who has run the club into the ground over the last 30 years, and incredibly still employed in a position of influence and power.

Also a board and recruitment who have been guilty of complete negligence over the striker situation for years on end. This incompetence is killing us.

Someone posted in 6 years since Lukaku left £90m spent on six strikers , yielding an entire total of 13 goals in all that time.

There’s plenty of damning statistics but this one if correct, to me is the worst of all. Surely it’s too bad to be true? I feel like this time round it’s the last chance saloon to sign a decent striker who scores goals. We’ve had two months to land one, now down to the last 11 days.

Brendan McLaughlin
266 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:25:41
Respect Pat #262

I tried to edit it 12 times so even I didn't know what I was doing!

Phil Lewis
267 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:28:51
I've just seen a social media post apparently from DCL's Dad. I believe it was genuine. He was at Villa to watch his son's return to the first team. In it he described his disgust at vile comments made by so called Evertonians aimed at his son after his injury. Cowards!
He showed far greater restraint than I could have. I felt heartily sorry for the man. DCL looked like he'd gone a couple of rounds with Mike Tyson. If anyone had subjected my son to those vicious comments when he was clearly suffering an injury, I'd probably be languishing in a Birmingham Police cell now.
Kieran Kinsella
268 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:34:00
Talking of the useless media all summer WHU have been the crisis club. But looking at their bench today there were two attackers linked with us in the last two years that we could neither afford nor entice much to the chagrin of some: Cornet and Ings. So when I hear pundits predicting doom for the Hammers or Moyes being unhappy with the squad. Spare a thought for Sean. He didn’t have the luxury to roll the 30 million dice on those two not to mention Benrama who cost as much as the two combined.
Jason Hewly
269 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:34:02
Two games in, and I'm already sick of this season. The decision making is truly awful.
Selecting Keane despite 6 years of evidence?
Leaving DCL on while he was clearly injured?
Selecting two ineffective headless chickens in Duke and Iwobi?
Putting Maupay on when we need a goal?
Throwing kids on to appease the fans?

Dyche is diet Allardyce. Graham Potter is available. Give Dyche one game to sort it out. If he can't, then act early.

Ian Edwards
270 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:34:39
Tony 265. All those Strikers you list were all not given much of a chance or played and isolated up front on their own marked by 4 Defenders with little or no service.

The tactics of a succession of Managers have been negative and basically keep it tight and try and nick one.

Sam Hoare
271 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:38:22
People booing DCL or sending personal abuse (let alone racist abuse) to any of the players are part of the problem rather than the solution. Disgraceful behaviour.
Brendan McLaughlin
273 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:46:09
Totally agree Sam #271
Christy Ring
274 Posted 20/08/2023 at 21:58:38
Mick##233 Comment about Calvert-Lewin a cheap shot considering he might have fractured his jaw in the collision, as for the rumours that the Everton fans jeered at Dom going off, despicable and an embarrassment, unbelievable.
Mike Connolly
276 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:04:16
I say give Dyche next week if he looses sack him after the game. we gave Frank too many before sacking him. Someone mentioned Potters available, however don't think he would fancy coming to us if more games down the line we are in the same position
Geoff Lambert
277 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:05:49
Have a punt then Paul ! where do you think we will be after 12 games?
John Kavanagh
278 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:11:40
Mike C @276. I'm afraid any manager who isn't desperate (or after trousering a quick £3 to £6 million pay off) would give us the swerve with the two interfering uber incompetents we still have in charge.
Brian Denton
279 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:12:04
All you Jeremiahs! In 1994/95 we took three out of our first thirty three points, and stayed up.
Paul Hewitt
280 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:17:08
I'd say 15th.
Phil Greenough
281 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:17:51
Fu*k me, the knives are out tonight. Best fans in the country? Some of the posters on here should have a hard look at themselves.

I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but some of the diatribe against DCL is disgusting. It's embarrassing to be an Evertoninian, reading some of the comments on here.

John Raftery
282 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:18:17
Sam (271) Agreed. One of the people booing Calvert-Lewin and calling him a shit-house today is a loudmouthed gob-shite all too familiar to those of us who have had the misfortune to sit near him at away grounds. He never has a positive word to say about any of the players. It puzzles me why he and others of his ilk bother attending games when they seem to get absolutely no enjoyment from doing so.
Barry Rathbone
283 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:18:50
What concerns me is confirmation that our recent acquisitions aren’t going to have any impact at all.

First goal - Ashley Young gets danced around as though too old for top flight footy (colour me unsurprised) and the ever familiar script began to be played out.

The second sees 2 Villa men unmarked in the middle of the goal with Onana, Patterson and Gana standing with their collective thumbs up their arses resulting in a pen that sees us dead and buried.

The 3rd has 2 villa players running into acres of space in the area attacking a crap throw in duly turned into a goal scoring opportunity by the ever charitable Keane.

Ashley Young then shows “experience” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be by mysteriously chucking a throw in deep into our most vulnerable area. Presumably to strike up some bizarre comedy routine with Micheal Keane as the lumbering lurch does his Charlie Chaplin act allowing the striker to beat him without laying a glove on him - 4 nil.

That’s 5 outfield players utterly out of their depth in a routine Premiership game. Doucoure and Maupay are desperately trying to join the club and DCL is starting his own called “if it's there I'll injure myself on it”.

Without meaningful transfers in the next few days we are beyond redemption.

Dean Johnson
284 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:23:16
If the players don't like being booed then go and work in a fucking office for £10 an hour.

If the players don't like mean comments then stay off social media.

I'm just posting my honest opinion on ToffeeWeb that these spineless, gutless, massively pampered and privileged pricks should fuck off somewhere else.

I also mean Sean darsh who has had his team all summer to prepare them yet they continue to play like this

But it's ok, we nearly didnt get beat at home by the mighty fulham so there is no cause for concern.

Shit show, top to bottom and I couldn't give a fuck if some people get upset by calling it out on here. Most of us have put up with this for years and have had enough. Stay away, boycott the wolves game.

If you keep going and happy clapping, you're part of the problem

Nick Page
285 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:24:59
Spot on, Dean
Danny O’Neill
286 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:29:49
John Senior,

We will never ever turn our backs on Everton. Ever.

As the saying goes, cradle to grave. I never knew any different, I never will.

It has been a frustrating start but we play Wolves at Goodison next week. Win that and it's looking a better picture. It's a long season, not decided on two games.

I've been in worse places with the club I love. We conceded 7 and lost the first two games in a season we won the league. Not a time to panic just yet, a long way to go.

The dark winter of 1983 when it looked bleak. Despite what I've witnessed in the 90s and the past two seasons, I think that was as bad as it got at the time.

Back then, I was taken to Church every Sunday and prayed to the great Evertonian in the sky to bless us. He did.

Anything is possible. You just never know what is around the corner.

A really disappointing performance today and we are all licking our wounds. But Wolves at Goodison next week. Go and get the points and we'll all feel better, with a lot more points to play for over the season.

Mick Davies
287 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:32:45
We've just played 2 of our most winnable games of the season. To lose at home to Fulham was inexcusable, considering the manager has been banging on about how well pre-season went; then, to be humiliated by a team who lost 5-1 the week before, with no fight or ideas is an indictment on the way this club is run at all levels.
Even in Moyes' days we were hardly ever ready at the start and were always playing catch up, usually getting going after xmas. It's like summer is just a get away and forget the club for the people in charge and if things are going badly, we'll have to part with some money in the January window - pathetic way to run a top flight (or any) football club
Christy Ring
288 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:36:25
Dean & Nick, you always have a chip on your shoulder, and Barry#283 Calvert-Lewin probably got a fractured jaw trying to win the ball? Pathetic.
Chris Hockenhull
289 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:37:23
Barry Rathbone.. total shit house comment “If it’s there I’ll injure myself on it it”????? Totally disgraceful response. Yeah… I bet he’s really Loving feeling like he does tonight. Yes… that’s the spirit.. Go moan about this club as … well with loving “ fans” like you.. why should players want to join this club with motivational caring “ fans” like you. Try getting a bit of how he’s feeling tonight eh?… get yourself down to Concert Square tonight… act yourself. And you’ll get yourself a thwarting on yourself like he did. But… here’s the difference…not a soul.. except for your inflated opinion on yourself.. will give a toss about you nursing your face. … I wonder why. Call yourself a Blue. Totally out of order that shithouse comment
Jerome Shields
290 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:38:17
Dean I admit that I was very disappointed in the performance of the Players and the Management. They are definitely not putting the work in to earn their wages.They are so far off the level of performance required.There are no excuses.
Phil Greenough
291 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:43:51
Thank you, Danny, for your Happy Clapper post, the antithesis of Dean Johnson's contention. As I've said, though, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If you're so disenchanted with Everton's pampered players, Dean, sell your tickets to the "Happy clappers." Or the thousands of Evertonians on the season ticket waiting list, who want to support Everton through thick and thin.

Mick Davies
292 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:43:51
Chris Hockenhull, how old are you son? get yourself down to Concert Square tonight
That's the sort of stuff you'd hear in a school playground. If you want to post an opinion, try doing it in an adult fashion, without the pathetic threats. Barry is entitled to an opinion just like you are, if you don't agree with it, let him know why, without all the keyboard warrior shit
Christy Ring
293 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:44:47
Chris#289 Agree, he's an embarrassment, true blue my arse
Christy Ring
294 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:44:47
Chris#289 Agree, he's an embarrassment, true blue my arse
Christy Ring
295 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:44:47
Chris#289 Agree, he's an embarrassment, true blue my arse
John McFarlane Snr
296 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:48:02
Hi John [282] I often wonder how many of the abusive critics, home or away, have actually kicked a ball. I've been mocked on this site for saying that players are not machines that can be programmed, but I stick by my opinion that players don't play badly on purpose.
And as far as a boycott, I would prefer those proposing one should do so, and make it permanent.
John Raftery
297 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:49:50
Mick (287) Villa away was never one of our most winnable games of the season. We have not beaten them since March 2016.
Mick Davies
298 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:55:15
John, they were at an all time low, being battered on the opening day and losing their captain; we had our talisman, and ONLY striker back and raring to go, and with all the talk about how well we played against Fulham, I was hoping we'd go at them from the off, but seeing Keane on the teamsheet, and DCL on his own, I predicted disappointment.
To think we have to go to The Etihad, Old Trafford, The Emirates, St James etc, I'd say Villa Park would appear to be one of our most possible victories. God knows where we'll get a win now without a striker
Soren Moyer
299 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:55:29
Would Burnley have bounced straight back up after being relegated, if Dyche was managing them?

I certainly think not. Actually I am sure they wouldn't!

In my opinion, our squad is not as bad as the performances and results.

Just need a proper, flexible gaffer with fresh ideas. Not a bloody dinosaur.

Marcelino or Potter. Both are free agents.

Matt Butlin
300 Posted 20/08/2023 at 22:57:22
I tend to think, everyone has an opinion. They are entitled to them but they are exclusive to them. Nobody should get too worked up by what someone else thinks. Personally, I agree with a lot on here. A lot of the feeling possibly because people spend their last penny watching Everton and most of our players earn a good yearly salary for the average person in a week. Yet, the commitment, organisation, tactics, strategy is at best, amateur.


Nick Page
301 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:00:02
From Twitter

20 games under Dyche.

When Michael Keane starts..

P12, W1, D5, L6
- 8pts from 36

-Conceded 25 goals. (2.08per game)
- 2 clean sheets

When Michael Keane doesn't start..

P8, W4, D1, L3
- 13pts from 24

- Conceded 9 goals (1.12per game)
- 3 clean sheets

Why does he start?


He’s an huge huge problem! And as someone else says, one of those defeats without Keane was the Anfield derby, the other was City at home.

Chris Hockenhull
302 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:04:01
Mick Davies … Bollocks to you. 1: Don’t give me the “ Son” shite. 2: My comment is try faking a Twat to the face and and see how you like it instead of making out that an Everton player…. Yes EVERTON PLAYER, wants to be injured..,3: I have told him - not you by the way… what I feel… 4:Yes and too IM entitled to MY opinion too actually ( hence) my post) 5: Your winge suggests you condone his attack on DCL…. 6: Are You Barry’s PR man??? 7: Oh F Off… ….8: Enjoy Concert Square- I think you’ll love it 9:.. This “Son” is 67….,…… Lad…. Best wishes We are ALL Blues
Dave Lynch
303 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:06:24
I couldn't give a shiny shite how much of a happy clapper you are.

You cannot put a positive spin on anything I've seen so far, that game and Fulham where rank shite end of and it don't look like it's going to get any better under this manager.

As for DCL, the lad took a blow to his head and had a decent nolly on his face, can't play like that.

Soren Moyer
304 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:06:30
Nick, because Dyche likes big defenders. Like a log! Nothing else matters to him.
John Raftery
305 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:08:22
Hi John (296) Well said. No professional player sets out with the intention of playing poorly or making errors. As for abusive fans ever kicking a ball we can only guess. Most seem to have no inkling of the fitness and skill required at any level of the game.
Mick Davies
306 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:09:26
Chris Hockenhull, what a real hardcase you are. I'd be terrified if I ever bumped into you
Mick Davies
307 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:12:18
John Raftery, how come Villa's player's had an inkling of the fitness and skill required? Aren't we in the same league as them and do our players only earn a fraction of what they earn?
Matt Butlin
308 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:19:56
It’s more than the players too. I’m struggling to pick a shred of positivity out of the club. I’ll always ‘be Everton’ but jeez. Help us out.
Chris Hockenhull
309 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:21:10
Mick Davies… Yes you should 😜😜😜😜
David West
310 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:21:20
The injuries may come as a blessing to shake it up.
Iwobi hasn't played well since lampard left.
If its not obvious that onana, Gana & Doucouré doesn't work by now, is it going to take relagation to realise it ??

It's game 2, all calm down. Villa got battered last week, they win this week.

If people thought adding Ashley young to the starting line up would suddenly transform us, you need to wake up, wobble your head and get in the real world.

It's the manner of the defeat that's the worry.
It's not panic Stations yet but momentum is so important if its negative momentum it's hard to reverse once started.
Too many players play when they feel like.
Iwobi, gana, Keane & dacoure are serial culprits when Patterson, young, onana and maupay are added to that we are a mess !!!

Shake it up Sean!!!
Branthwaite, start Danjuma, Dobbin
Give Mykolenko a go too !! Ashley young in midfield!!
Do something!!

Kieran Kinsella
311 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:38:36

I don’t know if Dyche saw a different side of Keane at Burnley but he’s been like this since he joined Everton. He seems like a nice, intelligent, committed professional but that is just not enough. Whatever mishaps the rest of the team have he always seems to go the extra mile and get that meme moment of the horrendous error. I’m behind Sean, but he has to forget whatever past experience he had with Keane and realize he’s been a huge liability under half a different very managers here. In contrast other players have been better or poorer under certain coaches. Keane aside from the odd goal has struggled in every formation, every tactical approach under vastly different managers. We have to call time on him.

Barry Hesketh
312 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:51:37
For the first time since the end of today's match, something has put a smile on my face, on another site an Evertonian stated that he's beginning to feel that MSP stands for Manic Street Preachers - to be honest there's a fair few Manic Street[End] Preachers on here tonight.
Frank Thomas
313 Posted 20/08/2023 at 23:55:02
Clueless, tactically inept, manages badly and indecisive and that is just Mr Dyce.
I remember another manager years ago saying judge me when it is my team that I bought.

The first two goals incidents leading to goals came from the area near Ashley Young(38) and Tarkowski (31) another goal came after an error from Keane (30 nearly 31). The sweeper Gueye(34) seemed to be exhausted and ineffective.

Mr Dyce if you had been watching the team across the road as well as Aston Villa last season you would learn that you bring on the older players later to keep command of the game you do not start with them.
You brought on younger players at the end of the game when you need experience??????

Yet you have a young international left back(24), an international centre back (21) one that Mr Ancelotti played in the premiership.

Last season you and every other person said very early on that we needed some new strikers and you have a bought a very good player but he is too young by your standards.

You have pissed off Gray(27) who has scored 9 goals at the same time your preferred winger is injured possibly for so long that you do not want to telly anybody what exactly his injury is, could it be an ACL?
You have made us a laughing stock and a pitiful sight chasing and offering a fortune for a player Leeds said will not be sold.

Our midfield is a joke Alli (27 and not nearly ready), Harrison signed on loan and out until after Christmas (saves Leeds Utd his salary), Gbamin who said he would never play for us again (sell him or fine him for his weekly salary), Gomes (30) who wants to play but costs us a goal every other game. No wonder Davies left he is far too young for this manager.

Todays tactic was pass it forward to DCL, no crosses for him hence he chased and got injured.

What is so inexcusable is that every position in the league is worth £2.2M and we have now lost 6pts that is certainly 2 positions at least.

Someone needs to explain to Dyce if he is sacked he stays and licks stamps in the office for his salar or leaves for nothing.. That is the root problem look at Lampard, screws us with Maupay and Alli gets paid off and takes a summer job at Chelsea to earn a bit extra.

Denver Daniels
314 Posted 21/08/2023 at 00:47:52
4 mistakes, 4 goals. Garner fell asleep again, that's 2 weeks in a row resulting in a goal but people would rather criticise DCL for getting his cheek caved in. Pickford being Pickford. I guess you have to take the good with the bad with him. Keane not clearing the ball instead touching it on to a Villa player. And then Young's throw-in, selling Keane short. I didn't expect anything beforehand but this was amateur hour defending. At least we didn't miss a hatful of chances like last week.
David Hallwood
315 Posted 21/08/2023 at 00:50:55
For people calling for Potter; patience would be needed which is in short supply from owner and supporters alike.

Under Potter it would be a project and would probably get worse before it gets better. Seriously, how many of the current squad could play the way he had Brighton playing?

Looks like we're stuck with dinosaur Sean for the foreseeable; personally I wanted him gone after last season's debacle vs Fulham, which I likened to Martinez's West Ham moment.

The fact that he dropped Keane for the last 4 games of last season because of his continued cockups, which has been a feature of his game since he arrived and now chooses him before Branthwaite & even Godfrey.

What's that Einstein quote again?

Kieran Kinsella
316 Posted 21/08/2023 at 00:55:47

Manic Street Preachers the 90s band caused Controversy by singing about cutting and self mutilation. Remember they got into a spat with Wales manager Bobby Gould? Clearly they share the Kenwright ethos of self destruction

Mick Davies
317 Posted 21/08/2023 at 01:08:08
Barry @ 312 haha and if it is Manic Street Preachers, they'll change Z Cars to a tune of theirs that sums up the cruelty of passing on our Evertonianism to our offspring - 'If You Tolerate This, Then Your Children Will Be Next'
Barry Hesketh
318 Posted 21/08/2023 at 01:08:31
kieran @316
Was it that group that sang "If you tolerate this your children will be next" ? if so it should replace grand old team immediately. I don't remember the Bobby Gould incident.
Dale Self
319 Posted 21/08/2023 at 01:12:34
Courtesy Reminder: Clubs properly get rid of managers when they are holding the squad back from achieving more. Does anyone really believe strongly that Dyche is holding this group back? If so, please make the case.

And that isn’t a taunt. This is going to be one long and shitty season with plenty of time for attacking others or self-flagellation. So let’s be honorable chaps and talk about football with a few less insults. It’s been such a drag with the intensity of argument. I’m not saying feel good or any hippie shit here.

I know when it goes weird I’ve contributed to the overall vibe. I’m getting past that really.

So you think Dyche should leave. Soren has played well by suggesting two candidates. I’m certainly not a Potter advocate and he likely would not pick up the phone. A DeZerbi has been found and we all believe there is another out there.

But then we still have the problem of who is going to the turn the ship away from toilet vortex danger with THIS squad. We are still broke as fuck and Dyche is still the best game in town for survival given the constraints of managing this squad. With McNeil coming back and Harrison later it is not as bad as this feels is a plausible alternative interpretation.

Kieran Kinsella
320 Posted 21/08/2023 at 01:13:23

That’s them. They had a song “everything must go” but on your changed the lyrics to “Bobby Gould Must go” as Wales manager. Then he started this campaign against them for encouraging kids to self mutilate etc. I was in Uni at the time. Never gave much thought to their lyrics pre Gould but used to sing a long at “greebo” night clubs in Manchester at the time lol

Kieran Kinsella
321 Posted 21/08/2023 at 01:14:42

Spot on mate lmao

Phil Smith
322 Posted 21/08/2023 at 03:15:27
1) If there was a section of fans booing DCL after having to go off for that then I understand why we are the club everyone else loves to hate. That is just disgusting “support “?
2) If Keane starts the next game all my faith (what little is left) in the boss will have disappeared.
3) At least Dobbin got a bit of a runout, so there may be some hope yet. How did he do? Still playing Noplay over Cannon though. See also Onyango got a cameo. Is this a new Dyche or just desperation?
Ernie Baywood
323 Posted 21/08/2023 at 03:47:36
Dale, my simplistic view is the same as when we appointed Dyche.

The team is semi functional. It has a shape of sorts, it can compete, it can even keep the goals against to a respectable level (granted that point felt more valid before the Villa loss).

The real issue is that we have to find a way to score something approaching an acceptable number of goals. I believe we managed 34 last year - that will absolutely send us down this year.

I've not seen anything from Dyche that suggests he's that guy. Pace and creativity is culled in favour of industry. I don't think he'd even claim to be that guy. He'll try to keep us up on the back of a tight midfield and defence... but in reality he's not going to make us elite in goals conceded.

I completely get that there are minimum standards of effort in a relegation fight. But someone needs to be able to do a bit more than that.

Improving our defence to being practically elite is a big ask for minimal reward. The low hanging fruit is scoring more. There's huge improvement available in that area given our recent scoring history.

We won't score enough goals from corners... so what's the plan?

Jerome Shields
324 Posted 21/08/2023 at 05:10:49
Dyche has said' he would have taken the whole lot off.' So we are back to square one.

A group of Everton players who are in the main at odds with the level of performance that the Manager was expecting.There is something fundamental wrong behind the scenes at Everton that produces a unmotivated and lethargic performance by the players.There is no interest, embarrassment, pride.

Sense of letting anyone down, or realization of the need to perform and work to perform to a required level. The Manager must be keenly aware of this and even sense it during training The fact that such a attitude exists and has existed for years at Everton is by far the biggest problem..I am sick to death of analysing the complication of sources of this problem.We all know it exists.It's the lack of honestly of the players regarding their performance and perceived lack of respect by the Manager. All on big wages, with contracts making sure they are compensated even if they have not produced the required performance that sticks the place out.

Dyche turning up in his kit to lay a reef for the worker that had died, I did not like. Call me old fashion, but for me it does show a lack of awareness of the respect required..

Steve Brown
325 Posted 21/08/2023 at 05:54:42
Why should we argue with each other as fans? We’re the victims here!

I think we have to see how Dyche does with his attacking threat fully fit - a firing Danjuma, McNeil and Harrison will make a big difference. He also needs Thelwell to deliver reinforcements within our budget - a centre-forward, creative midfielder, centre back and right back are needed.

Also, I am not sure how you plan for individual errors from senior players contributing to 4 goals - shocking and shameful. He can do something about the capitulation as the motivation after we went behind were unacceptable.

Alan J Thompson
326 Posted 21/08/2023 at 06:59:28
Ian(#261); Not based on performance then?
Sam Hoare
327 Posted 21/08/2023 at 07:00:13
MIck@298 in no possible way was this an easy game. Villa were desperate to retaliate after their Newcastle thumping and had the extremely competent Ezri Konza to come in for Mings. We could only dream of such depth.

I think Villa will very likely finish in the top six or seven this season and their form since Emery came is excellent.

Fulham was obviously an 'easy' game and we would have won it had half the team not left their finishing boots at home. Villa away was a very tough game, though ultimately they did not have to play well to beat us.

Lets at least see how we do against Wolves, Sheffield United and Arsenal before we start writing off the manager, the players and the whole season.

Danny O’Neill
328 Posted 21/08/2023 at 07:33:14
Divide and conquer Steve. It plays into their hands as they look down from the Main Stand at a sold out Goodison, knowing that every away game ticket is like a Willy Wonka Golden Ticket if you are lucky enough to get one. A season ticket waiting list.

Or they used to look down on us before they decided on their own boycott based on fabricated truths.

We can debate and discuss, but why it get's personal, I don't understand. We are all supporters. We may have different views, and I'm certain if we discussed them in person, it may still get heated, but not like on the internet, where people get brave.

Don't stifle the debate. But keep it sociable. Keep it respectable to different views and ways of expressing them. But stick together.

It's our club, not theirs.

Kim Vivian
329 Posted 21/08/2023 at 07:35:00
Frank at 313 pretty much sums my feelings as well, although I could not have laid them out so succinctly.

I don't believe we can afford to pay off Sean Dyche even if that was plan A, and nor do I believe any player coming in will make much difference to the teams performance. Gnonto? Exciting in his Youtube reel but we ain't seeing much of that on our hallowed turf, and I don't think he's coming anyway. Speaks volumes about his mental health if he does.

Someone - may have been on this thread, or possibly the LF - talked about using Coleman and Baines to try and get a tune out of this band. Badges or not, could they not work hand in hand with Dyche?

I am not remotely optimistic about next week despite the slim hope that looking at the league table gives. Lose that and it will feel like trying to stop a car (called Everton), handbrake off, that's rolling backwards downhill towards oblivion with one's bare hands. That car's been stopped in past years by the combined muscle of the supporters but I just feel this car might be too weighty.

Steve Shave
330 Posted 21/08/2023 at 07:37:08
Some of the usual reactionary bullshit on here. I did not see the game as we were hosting a World Cup party for friends and family. I kept sneaking out to check the score, simultaneously ruining my afternoon as I did so.

Firstly, respect and commiserations to the thousands who travelled for this shit-show. I don't know how you do it sometimes but I am glad you do.

I can't speak about the game really having only watched the highlights. I can say however that anyone who booed DCL is an absolute disgrace and should take a long hard look at themselves. As someone rightly mentioned above, this is not the behaviour of the "best fans on the planet".

We let ourselves down in such moments. Really its all displaced anger at the board, ineptitude, incompetence and years of crushing disappointment. When that is wrongfully misdirected towards the players we end up playing a strong and toxic role in ongoing spirals of failure. I wish people could see what is so clear.

I feel sorry for SD, he is obviously working hard to solve this and he had one of those days where the players just shit themselves and freeze. Too many of those and the fans will be wanting his head so this week and the next few games are vital.

Calls for us to sack SD are ridiculous. Potter wouldn't touch us with a bargepole BTW, if we ever do replace SD we should go in for the Ipswich Town manager who is really going places and probably the best, young managerial talent in the country right now.

Anyway, back to my defence of SD. Yes he needs to drop Keane, yes Brainthwaite's time is now. Hopefully DCL is back very soon and Maupay shipped out. We have Harrison to come in who will make a difference, Danjuma apparently played well. A fighter like Che Adams WILL make a difference and hopefully an electric winger.

It's very early days, let's get behind them and make sure our anger is directed towards those who probably deserve it. Bad day at the office and as Sam rightly points out, Villa away whilst smarting from an open day whooping was bad timing all round.

Let's dust ourselves down, pray to the transfer window God's and get some points on the board. COYB.

Andy Walker
331 Posted 21/08/2023 at 07:45:33
Any manager who regularly plays Keane will eventually get what they deserve.

Will we ever score a goal?

Will we ever get a point?

Bobby Mallon
332 Posted 20/08/2023 at 07:47:44
And the infighting of fans begins. Some on here think they are better fans than others, I don’t know why but they do and always have done. People have opinions but threats to each other well goes with the territory I suppose.
Mike Price
333 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:00:48
Why buy an unproven, not ready 19-year-old for £13 million when we need first-team ready players now?

Surely £3 million signing on fees to Zaha and Traore would have been doable and a lot more useful.

We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot!

Conor McCourt
334 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:07:05
A truly abysmal day yesterday for everyone connected to Everton.

What has really surprised me though is the number of fans calling for Dyche's head.

Personally, I think Sean has done a very competent job so far and last season, if you swap the Fulham and Brighton results, we did pretty much what you would hope for with this squad. Apart from that Fulham result, this is the first real shocker under his watch and he has mostly got a tune out of the majority of these players.

This season, Dyche and Thelwell must be held culpable for our poor start. Some of our players who we are looking to sell have been removed from the squad making us even weaker from last year. With McNeil out, the need for Gray, especially against Fulham, was obvious. If fit, they should be available; if leaving, then ship them out – but don't fucking affect our chances of getting crucial points on presumptions, they are getting paid to be available to play so fucking use them.

Last season, Dyche belatedly replaced Keane with Mina and our results improved. With Mina gone and no trust in Godfrey or Holgate, why hasn't Dyche been able to get one in of his liking? Most of us would love to see Branthwaite get his head and thankfully this result may let it happen; however, it is clear the manager only really trusts one centre-back at the club, a position he knows well.

I am hoping this day will be a blessing in disguise. Villa was always going to be tough. When I seen their teamsheet and bench, I thought “Jesus, this team is good.” The fact we got murdered and most was self-constructed may put pressure on Thelwell and Dyche and those above to act with more immediacy and finality.

Villa got hammered the week before, so hopefully we get a similar reaction against a Wolves team we really need to beat. In all reality, all we realistically have lost is the possibility of a point as the damage was done at Fulham.

Wolves will be a different game of fine margins so the necessity to have as much firepower is crucial. Over to you, Thelwell. Get these deals done and quick.

Charles Brewer
335 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:23:19
The one good thing about our form so far is that if we get 20 points deducted in October, we won't be able to blame that as the cause for relegation. On current form, and looking at matches to come, a significant deduction would result in us being relegated with a negative points total.

Perhaps the best idea would be to go into administration now, add up all the deductions, fire the entire “work”force, get bought for next to nothing and start again in League Two.

Dave Waugh
336 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:32:40
I was going to write my thoughts on the match, but I really can't be bothered anymore.

Hated last season! This season looks like it will be the same. Wake me up when it's over.

Kevin Edward
337 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:35:25
It was so bad, expectations were raised slightly after some of the positives vs Fulham. But it seems this group of players are still not fit for purpose.

Whatever Dyche had in mind isn't going work with this bunch; he knows Calvert-Lewinsky is fragile and needs to find a solution.

So Wolves it is. Anything other than a home win and it's going to get rougher. The reality is so upsetting, no surprise everyone is angry.

James Newcombe
338 Posted 21/08/2023 at 08:49:51
We all know we need a striker, but I'm starting to be very concerned about our full backs again, and we could use a new defensive midfielder as well.

This could be a very long season – strap yourselves in!

John Williams
339 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:11:53
It’s all right saying, “How can you expect players to perform when there is something radically wrong within the club?” Rubbish!!! Players should have pride and you need the right players who will roll up their sleeves and battle for the club.

Too many mercenary players who are just in it for the cash, is no good. These players receive the same money, win lose or draw, and they know there is another pay packet when they move on.

I would take McTominay anytime over Onana, who in my opinion is a Championship player at best and maybe a lower division than that.

Paul Cherrington
340 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:20:38
I just cannot believe that a professional football club in the Premier Leauge can be in basically the same position still as we have been for the last 2 seasons. It cannot be that hard to find a decent striker ready to play in our price range who can compete with/cover for a never fit DCL over 3 seperate transfer windows!

This is now the 3rd season on the bounce where the striker issue is causing a massive problem and no-one at the club who can do something about it has solved the issue. It's a disgrace. To then spend a good amount of cash on a striker who looks highly unlikley to feature much this season is even worse.

To be starting another season with an injuy prone DCL and non-scoring Maupay as our only senior strikers is not good enough. Why not give Cannon or Chermitti a try - they can't do any worse than Maupay.

Why is Michael Keane still being picked too? Again, the club just does not seem to learn from the past or move to fix glaring problems. I'm sure he is a good pro and a nice guy but he is not up to it at the highest level in football. He makes at least one costly mistake pretty much every game he plays.

Branthwaite must be tearing his hair out. Why bring him back from loan and leave him sitting on the bench, when it is clear he is a better player and needs game time? If we don't play our best young players or give them a route into the first team, they will be off when the first serious offer comes in - and we can't really blame them.

Jerome Shields
341 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:31:49
John #339,

It's allowing the attitude to develop is the problem. For such players, Everton is a home from home.

We will get an acceptable player wheeled out during the week saying that the players will have to step up.

Christopher Timmins
342 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:35:10
We have to hope that yesterday was just a terrible day at the office and it won't be repeated again. The worst performance of the Dyche regime. A disgrace an absolute disgrace. Heartless and spiritless!

If Cannon and Branthwaite don't start next weekend then they should be sold given the transfer fees that other clubs are happy to pay for them. I cannot imagine such fees would be generated by the sale of some of the players who started or were introduced yesterday.

If we don't get a reaction next weekend we are in terrible trouble. Tony A may be saving himself a lot of hardship with his stand!

Laurie Hartley
343 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:38:00
One of the key attributes I look for in an Everton player is courage something DCL showed he possesses in spades by going for that 50/50 with their goalkeeper. The lad needs a change of luck.

We are a shambles in midfield - radical changes needed. I would drop Gueye and Onana. In my opinion Iwobi getting injured may have an upside because it frees up a spot for Dobbin.

I thought Danjuma showed promise and Maupay put in a shift when he came on. He got himself into a goal scoring position and was denied by a good save.

It’s unlikely to happen but I think the manager needs to give some of the younger inexperienced players a chance and stick with them.


Patterson, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko

Dobbin, Garner, Doucoure, Godfrey,



Lee Courtliff
344 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:49:00
During the summer I convinced myself that I would support Sean Dyche (despite never being a fan of his) and concentrate on what he does well rather than what he doesn't.

I was thinking we'd be fit, organised and tough to beat with every player giving 100%, even in defeat.

I WASN'T going to concentrate on the fact he picks his favourites like Keane regardless of how bad they play, or his refusal to pick youngsters over those who are "experienced".

Well so far, he's lived up to his shortcomings but has even managed to underperform in what we're told are his strengths!!

Yesterday was abysmal, right from the minute you could see the tempo of Villa whilst we started like we were half asleep. Again.

I'm really trying to support the manager, I loved his interview after the Bournemouth game, but he's making it very, very difficult. If he starts Branthwaite and Dobbin against Wolves then he might just save himself from losing a few more supporters.

Early days yet, beat Wolves and Sheff United and things look very different.

Nick Page
345 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:51:40
“There is something fundamental wrong behind the scenes at Everton that produces an unmotivated and lethargic performance by the players.There is no interest, embarrassment, pride.”

It’s called Kenwrightitis, Jerome. Basically, if the club is all fluffy and has no winning ethos or ambition from the top then there is little point in existing. As has been proved - we are just makeweights and have little reason to hang around (just to get beaten) a ruthless competition like the EPL. It’s the only logical answer.

Alex Gray
346 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:51:59
Somehow I don’t think starting Goddfrey as a left winger with mykolenko at left back is going to help us in any way.

Our biggest issue is that everyone is being played out of position.

Garner is not a winger. Against wolves whilst everyone is injured i’d have danjuma and dobbin on the wings. Not ideal but they’re wingers atleast.

Whilst getting a striker and cb are the priorities, a creative midfielder is a must. We have no presence through the middle. Garner, gana, onana, doucoure are all industrious but can’t unlock a pass for their life.

Mike Price
347 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:55:05
Having watched Wolves over the last two games, we’ll do well to get anything. They battered Man U away and were robbed, and the 4-1 defeat to Brighton was unlucky. They have much better players than we do.
Alex Gray
348 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:57:53
Also just to note Dyche has given minutes to garner, onana, dobbin and patterson, all of which are considered young players.

Branthwaite is the obvious one who should be given a go but Tom Cannon right now is not the answer so I don’t really see the argument. Throwing in youngsters in a relegation battle isn’t always wise. What we have needed for years is simple. Better players.

Danny O’Neill
349 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:01:48
We were unlucky against Fulham Mike. Who got battered at home by Brentford this weekend.

Aston Villa got battered by Newcastle to comprehensively beat us yesterday.

Any game of football is winnable. We can lose to Fulham, beat Chelsea and get 3 points at Anfield.

It's all unpredictable.

Ian Jones
350 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:05:05
Alan J, I was going to try to make myself not sure if I would have succeeded, but was willing to have a go but have taken the slightly sarcastic approach instead...probably more to amuse myself if anything so apologies in advance :)

My original response was to this comment of yours...

'One and half games and we look like we've lost to two of those most likely in the relegation fight with us.'

I was disputing your claim of Villa as being likely relegation candidates. Still feel that's a ridiculous statement.

You now mention 'Not based on performance then?'

Based on last season's performances, Villa are clearly not relegation candidates. I think you might concede that. 7th placed, European competition.

If you made your comment considering Villa as being one of this season's relegation candidates based on one heavy defeat against Newcastle in their first match of the season, then OK, you are correct.

A game in which they apparently played well but lost one of their key defenders which may not have helped, but hey that's football.

However, they now must surely have turned their season around after inflicting the heaviest defeat of our season.

They've saved themselves from likely relegation and must surely be now considered to be chasing a Champions League place, as they currently sit only 1 point off top 4.

Obviously, that's a stupid statement as well.

I do agree with you re Fulham. They might struggle this year based on their performances at the end of last season and the one on Saturday.

General comment to everyone, not that people will take any notice of it.

There are 36 games to go..I know it's a disappointing start to the season. We have had worse starts and responded ok. All these knee-jerk comments are ridiculous.

Someone mentioned Jack Harrison might be out til Christmas. Based on what?

Allan Board
351 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:09:49
Ah well- it's all started brightly hasn't it? On hols,so off to play golf and then down to the beach to chill.
Will scan the beach for a few better footballers-shouldn't be difficult- most blokes can run and pass a ball 10 yards to a team mate- or so I thought before Everton rumbled into view!
Guys,don't fall out- instead put all your faith in Youth to slowly turn this round- long term it's Evertons only option- we are broke- fat cat player's on sky high wages - no resale value on 90% of the team- too many old has beens- and to cap it all,the worst cf and cb in the same team I have ever seen. Perhaps Bielsa-who is an amazing coach of youth- an acceptance of relegation- and let him build a coordinated young side over a couple of year's so we all can be proud of the lads in OUR team. Leeds panicked and sacked him way too quickly- still be in the PL if they had held their nerve.
Chill folks, chill.
Dave Abrahams
352 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:20:44
Most of us realise the club is in a very bad way, an empty shell of a business, it can’t operate like this without serious results applying to the club and its status.

Until this is sorted out we, the supporters, will continue to be the victims of the incompetent way the club has been run, and yet those with the guardianship of the club stay away and allow the rot to spread deep into the core of how the the team operates, we are near the edge complete collapse on the field and off it and there doesn’t seem to be anyone offering any solution to end the destruction of the club.

If the squad is left the way it is in the next ten days then it will hasten the fall from where we stand now.

No wonder there is frustration and anger among the fans as those supposed to be running the club stand by and do nothing while the business rots away.

A bit dramatic some will say but I think that is where we are at the moment and it will wither away without some action———immiediatly.

Andrew Bentley
353 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:28:33
So 10 days left of the window to try and assemble a team, let alone a squad capable of staying in this league!

We are left needing a right back (Patterson is not good enough for this level and needs replacing like Myko has been), a CB (that Dyche will actually play instead of Keane, or at least be the back up should Branthwaite actually be given a chance), a playmaker and a Striker. Not much then……

Alex Gray
354 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:37:42
Toffee Tv summed it up for me pretty well. The start of this season just feels like a continuation and merge of the previous two. No goals, creativity, injuries all over the place and we've managed to bring in players and you could argue they fill out the squad but do they improve us?

McNeil is still our best winger, which is terrifying. Harrison may take that role but we'll see. We've replaced Simms with Chermiti, Gray for Danjuma, and looking likely Maupay with Adams. Does that really improve us in any significant way?

We can probably agree Young is better than Mykolenko but he's 38 and Harrison is an extra player which is a bonus.

Gnonto would be a wild card but the £30M rumoured fee is a tough one to stomach. They must be hoping he improves dramatically this season.

Overall, I still feel the squad is weaker. At no point should Dobbin, Gomes, Onyango or Cannon be in contention. Keane is a starter and currently garner is our right winger.

Frank Thomas
355 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:42:34
Sorry Laurie (343), I have to disagree.

It is not courage, it is tenacity in players that symbolises an Everton player.

Anybody remember the mid-week FA Cup derby classic: 4-4 many years ago, behind twice and came back? The FA Cup derby final, where we should have won but for the cheating "It did not cross the line" claim, years before goalline technology came into play?

Players like Kendall, Reid and McCall who simply did not give up.

If you watched the Chelsea game yesterday, they only had one player with that trait and he kept coming back to help the retreating Chelsea defence and twice made great tackles and then moved straight back into attack with the ball.

Doucoure and ironically Gray are the closest midfielders to that ideal. Similarly Branthwaite, Patterson and Coleman are defenders of the same ilk.

Take one look at West Ham: it is "never say die" for their players.

I am disappointed with Maupay. He and every other player should embody that spirit and practise target shooting for an hour every day after training and he should remember that our defence starts at their goal line. He should follow the Rugby spirit, tire the defenders out by constant running and make the job easier for any subs that replace him.

Barry Rathbone
356 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:44:58
Mick Davies 292

Thank you.

The Chris Hockenhull "superbloo" is just another pissed-up clown with comprehension issues.

Everyone is entitled to a good old strop but only a delusional prick fabricates this sort of bollocks:

"Instead of making out that an Everton player…. Yes, an Everton player wants to be injured".

Or he's just a lying get.

Pete Neilson
357 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:45:34
Villa have been transformed under Emery, from relegation candidates into a Top 7 team.

Only two of the starting XI yesterday were signed by Emery with most being Dean Smith signings. Shows a manager doesn't necessarily have to start from scratch and sign a whole new squad. That is unless a club has signed a long line of duffers, which maybe we have.

While we are in dire need of a creative midfielder and a striker, for the rest of it, Dyche is going to have to get more out of what he has, particularly defensively which was atrocious yesterday.

Simon Jones
358 Posted 21/08/2023 at 11:13:30
One defeat and one terrible performance don't necessarily define a season. DCL was prepared to put his head in for a 50-50 challenge after all his injury problems and still gets slated for going off injured, looking like he'd done 12 rounds with Tyson Fury?
Barry Williams
359 Posted 21/08/2023 at 11:16:11
Results apart – and man that was a dire display yesterday – do a lot of you feel as football fans that you are disrespected, not just by the club, but football at large? Taken for granted, I would say.

You guys who go, week-in & week-out, come rain or shine – how do you feel about being kept in the dark about the very players that you pay out a lot of money to see?

Gray – Why isn't he playing?
McNeil – What is his injury?
Gbamin – Where is he?
Alli – What is the injury? – Will he play when fit?

These questions may have been answered already. But as customers (I hate that word, but will use it in the context of this post), shouldn't you have at least an inkling as to what is going on at the very club you pour your hard-earned finances into?

I know the club have to maintain a certain opaqueness, but to this degree? Am I very wide of the mark here?

Frank Thomas
360 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:02:24
Tactics and psychology were both mentioned by Dyche when he first joined us.

Dyche tried all sorts of games and methods to boost the spirit of the players. It seemed to work but we, Everton, The School of Science, do not seem to be testing the tenacity of the players in any psychological way before they join us.

Tactics are the most important thing after tenacity. Study history and you realise that Patton, Wellington and the commander of the first siege of Tobruk did not have the best soldiers; instead, they had tenacity and the best tactics.

Study football and you realise that Pep plays 'keep the ball and don't rush it' tactics and Klopp plays 'control the field' tactics and positions a lot of midfield players if possible about 25% into the oppositions half, forcing them to play longer and more inaccurate passes.

Both managers are able to take reasonably talented players and get them via training into the manager's preferred style of play very quickly.

I don't think I have ever heard Pep or Klopp blame their players; instead, they realise it's their deficiencies in training that have let the team down.

Anthony Hawkins
361 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:03:24
The issue for me is that as a club and a team we survived last season by the skin of our teeth. The team had a fight about them even if it wasn't pretty. Towards the end of the season they were at least close games even if we couldn't score.

This season, we're looking very poor, as if they've never seen each other before, let alone played together. We're now shipping goals and still weren't looking likely to score even with Calvert-Lewin on the pitch.

The board and team knew what needed to happen following last season, yet appear to have done nothing about it.

Barry Williams
362 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:19:54
Simon Jones - 358

I have read quite a lot of derogatory remarks about Calvert-Lewin, and yes - he showed real toughness yesterday just to carry on. People forget that as a young man he cut his teeth in the lower leagues playing against some really dog tough defenders.

However, he has a manbun, is into fashion, and wore some feminine clothes – so he must have no grit or toughness about him – right?

I spent many years in the fight game with Thais and Japanese fighters amongst other nationalities. You could meet a fighter who was 8 stone wet through, smiley, slightly feminine and androgenous looking who'd turn the average would be 'tough guy' inside out if the occasion arose.

We have a certain misguided preconception here in the West of what constitutes 'tough' and what it should look like too! Calvert-Lewin is a tough man by the average standard.

Alan McGuffog
363 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:29:20
Well said, Barry.

I recall Man Utd once having this player. Long hair, loved the ladies and a drink, opened a fashion boutique. One of the toughest players I ever saw.

Sunday Times once showed a photo of him just wearing his Bill's. Legs and feet a mass of cuts and bruises. George something… 🤔. Could play a bit as well.

Anthony Hawkins
364 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:34:05
I also don't understand how Branthwaite can be in the first team at a top team (granted in Europe) but not even feature for us.
Mark Murphy
365 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:37:48

My dad was site manager for the development of that Boutique (he worked for Laing) and I was at the opening of the shop when Bestie turned up in his Lotus…

Anthony Hawkins
366 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:38:18
Those stating injuries all over the place – how many of those injured would actually walk back into the first team line-up?

One, maybe?

Sean O’Hanlon
367 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:40:13
The same old shambles, and déjà vu is becoming boring.

Buying another player or two will not solve the problems at Everton Football Club. All those managers, all the money spent and wasted, and now we have a bunch of players who've forgotten how to play football.

My sympathy goes out to those loyal supporters travelling to away games, and likewise to home supporters who have to endure this crap on a weekly basis.

My answer is sign the England Lionesses – they'd put on a better show than the crowd of misfits we have posing as Premier League footballers.

Ian Jones
368 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:51:11
Anthony, re Branthwaite playing for PSV and not for us. Probably because at PSV he was involved with a team at the top end of the league.

Whilst that brings certain pressures, there's nothing like being a youngster coming through in a team that is performing indifferently and at the bottom of the end of the table.

Managers like Sean Dyche may not want to risk him in such an environment so may not play him.

I haven't seen enough of him to judge, and the way it's going with our club, he might decide to seek playing time elsewhere.

Branthwaite may reflect that perhaps he should have stayed at Carlisle a little longer and gained more experience.

I feel sorry for younger players these days. Football is a different beast these days.

I think the last 2 central defenders I saw come through as younger players and who you could see that they had something were Tony Adams and John Terry.

Laurie Hartley
369 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:53:41
Frank # 355,

Yes, agreed on tenacity – but perhaps courage and tenacity are byproducts of each other?

Those personality traits are why I picked Dobbin and Godfrey on the right and left of a midfield four – not as wingers. Patterson and Mykolenko are made of the same stuff.

My view is that we don't have any talented players so we might as well play fighters. I can't see any other options as things stand at the moment.

Stuart Sharp
370 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:58:14
There aren't many things more depressing in football than a performance like yesterday's, but the mindless criticism of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and the reports of racist abuse of Onana are right up there. We really do have some brain-dead fans, but I guess all clubs do.

As for the knee-jerk reactions to the match, I do understand some of it, but I for one maintain a bit of faith in Dyche. We're only 2 games in. It's clearly going to be another slog this season, but we knew that already.

Andy Crooks
371 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:01:41
Barry #356, I think you're being a bit harsh on Chris. He's just getting mad from the other end of the argument.

It's dead easier being reasonable if you're hundreds of miles away like me. And I'm not being reasonable!

There's no defending yesterday and no one's trying to. I get some small comfort from more optimistic posters and try to get a bit of context.

Also, I'm quick to condemn supporters who berate the players at the match, but, hand on heart, had I paid a fortune to be there yesterday, I would have burst a million blood vessels.

Finally, Keane must be dropped – for his own and all our wellbeing.

Mick Davies
372 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:02:29
Alex @ 346,

Garner, Gana, Onana, Doucouré are all industrious but can't unlock a pass for their life.

You obviously never noticed the defence-splitting pass from Garner to Danjuma that almost produced a goal? This was because Garner came infield for once as he's wasted out wide.

Pete Neilson
373 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:15:52
If Dyche is waiting to play Branthwaite in a settled, decent and confident side that’d be one hell of a wait.

Branthwaite is 21, the same age as Gvardiol at City, Al-Dakhil at Burnley and slightly older than Colwill at Chelsea and Zabarnyi at Bournemouth. All centre backs. If he’s good enough he’s old enough.

Christine Foster
374 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:17:00
Bbc reporting that Onana was the victim of vile racist abuse.. Jesus Christ, the season is two weeks old.. I hope they catch and ban who ever it is..
Colin Malone
375 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:22:53
I still say Gomes can do a job for us. Gomes is a bad defensive midfielder, that’s where he has been told to play, by ex managers.
At present, we have a hard working number 10,
Dacourie, who would run through a wall. A player who cannot pass the ball forward, just mostly backwards. IMO, there lies a major problem, a defensive midfielder playing in the number 10 role, with square boots and Gomes, who got more guile, in his left toe, compared to Dacourie.
Even at present, Onana and Dacourie should swap roles.
Ed Fitzgerald
376 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:25:12
Stuart @370

We are 20 leagues games in with Dyche his record is 1.05 points per game and a goal difference of minus 15, so yes if he maintains this we will hit 40 points and be safe, hopefully, if there are three worse teams?

It’s not just about yesterday, the football his teams serve up is awful, that was true at Burnley and it’s true here. We were lucky to stay up and he pocketed 3.5 million for us getting lucky. All this BS about fitness and attitude is just that BS as the ragged performance proved.

His stubbornness over playing and not playing certain players is legendary e.g. Keane and Gray? We are being led by myopic dinosaurs at board level and it’s our beloved club that is heading for potential extinction.

Barry Hesketh
377 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:30:46
Ed @376
Here's me thinking my mate was mad when he said that one of the preferred names on the list for the new stadium was Jurassic Park.
Christine Foster
378 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:37:26
Ed 376# That's exactly the way I feel about the club at the moment, I have gone beyond despair, past anger, bitterness was a few years ago.. now it's cold resolve, scorned, vindictiveness.. all that left is my pride and a memory of the love I have for this club. No amount of change will be enough until both chairman and owner have gone. Their days are up.
I said a while back that Dyche would be successful in keeping us up, but he has a short sell by date, once a comfort zone is reached then he will be sent on his way.
Assumptions of course that we stay up...
Nick Page
379 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:44:25
Christine, I got there about ten years ago, lol. I hate them. Absolutely despise them. An eternity in Hell isn’t good enough for these bastards. But I love EFC (the club) and that will never change.

Fans need to start turning the back on these people and start hitting them in the pocket. Nothing else will get rid of them.

Brian Harrison
380 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:09:46
There are so many poor players in this team, and a manager who refuses to see what's in front of him, I don't see how we escape yet another relegation battle. I think the 2 goals we conceded from throw ins sums this squad up perfectly. They had a throw in about level with our box and they had 2 men unmarked in our box, and Keane deflected the ball right to their player to score. Now even coaching kids you tell them nobody can be offside from a throw in so make sure every player is marked, yet we leave not 1 but 2 players unmarked. Their last goal came from our throw in, we are trailing by 3-0 and we have a thrown in 3 or 4 yards from the half way line and Young decides to thow it 25 yards to our deepest defender who made a complete hash of it, but the throw shoud have been anywhere near him.
We have little or no attacking options worthy of the name, Villa had a front 3 who had 2 attacking midfield players 3 or 4 yards behind them. We have a loan attacker and Doucoure and Iwobi about 10 yards away, and nobody else anywhere near them.
Should Dyche persevere with this option going forward I don't see any joy from such a defensive set up.
Steve Brown
381 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:15:50
DCL has a broken cheekbone.
Kevin Molloy
382 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:25:32
and the villa goalie gets off Scott free for giving our forward a broken cheekbone. Of course.
Len Hawkins
383 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:32:12
The only consistent thing at EFC Ltd is the inconsistency of everyone who has any input into team affairs.
Someone said We'll be playing Tranmere next season well the way this club is managed by the two stooges Tranmere will be renting Bramley Dock off us, these two are taking this club to Armageddon.
How does someone with the brains of a woodworm infested Rocking Horse become a £billionaire.
And when he knows this club has failed for over 30 years by being run by a half wit keep him on when he was ready to please Evertonians the world over by doing a moonlight flit but no he talks him into staying to ensure that the club is as bad as it's ever been.

Mr Mosh you deserve to lose every penny you have because I'd rather you slept at the Sally Army Hostel than EFC Ltd went to the wall because of you two B'stards.

Sean O’Hanlon
384 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:32:41
A broken cheekbone? He needs a face-protector mask. There's nothing else you can do. Broke my cheekbone playing rugby league in the 1970's - and yes my vision was affected during the game, and some concussion for a few days after. They had no face-protectors in those days, so I missed the following week's game, but played the week after that.
If his vision is OK, and he didn't have concussion, then give him a reliable face mask and he's good for the Wolves game.
Raymond Fox
385 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:32:47
Ed 376, you forgot to mention the 'outstanding squad' equal to Man. citys he inherited when he took over.

Dont talk about that old chesnut the style of football, maybe if he had better players etc.

Its winning matches fans want, not fannying around, keeping possession boring stuff

Dan Nulty
386 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:33:46
Steve, I called it watching on the television when the lump appeared within two minutes of him getting back on iis feet. For me, the fact the physios let him play on, no matter how much he wanted to carry on, is sheer negligence. Dom is incredibly lucky he didn't have another bang on it, could have done some serious damage to his eye if it had fractured further.
Dale Self
387 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:39:02
Ernie 323, fair observations and I think I see the same problem. My view is that Dyche is fixed on solving defensive leakage first and I admit he could be overdoing it here. This squad can’t do the Carlo thing which took mentality and a gamer like Siggy.

Dyche has likely set up this season’s whole approach to avoid the type of result experienced yesterday. That has blown up but I will still argue it was the proper odds on way to prepare the introduction of Danjuma, Dobbin and Branthwaite. Now we have to bring them all in under pressure but not just for their personal form but for results.

There will be some who say “Good!” I don’t think these people are thinking about downside risk as much as they are thinking ‘we have to try something different’. Chances are the young ones may step up with some mettle and we gain some future options by taking that risk now. Just remember that isn’t the same as a development plan. We have some capable athletes who failed that test.

So yes we need to do something to increase goal attempts through ordinary play less dependent on counterattack. The problem is sustaining defensive form when we introduce younger players and we were not settled enough in Dyche’s opinion to think about opening up until McNeil returned

We now get to see the Dyche unknown. I am not sure of his magic bag but his talk will not make anyone a scapegoat He will keep the team unity by not outing individual players and talking as straight as possible without throwing players under the bus.

I think it is our only option.

Tony Williams
388 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:42:26
Anthony Jones. 242.
Just 2 games, what about the last 76 games?
These Prima Donnas are on obscene amounts of money who can't do their jobs.
If fans is prepared to put up with the garbage we have had to endure over the last two seasons at least then they deserve everything they get.
They have to be made accountable eventually.
Tony Everan
389 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:47:35
There is some sort of protocol with concussion, 14 days out ? we’ll find the details soon enough but not looking good for Wolves or Sheffield.
Kieran Kinsella
390 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:56:59
What happened to the Altogether Now protests? Did people buy the old chestnut of the Fortress Fuind/Kenyon/777/MSP check is in the mail?
Ed Fitzgerald
391 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:00:05
Raymond @ 385

You don’t need a world beating squad to play attacking football, I don’t know how you extrapolate a love of Man City’s style of football from my post (as good as they are I find much of their football stultifying). Being an old get I do know that our home performances of the last 6 or 7 years would have been treated with avalanche of cushions back in the day.Football isn’t just about winning games, otherwise Goodison would be empty given the dire results and performances over many years. I think if Brighton, Brentford can manage to play attractive, attacking football, then Everton can.

Soren Moyer
392 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:02:57
The positions we need to strengthen even if Dyche was to stay;

We urgently need:
A "fit" goal scorer
A creative midfielder
And if we can afford, a Central Defender.

NB: Gueye is finished and needs to be replaced ASAP.

Ian Jones
393 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:21:29
Kevin, 383. Why should the Villa goalie have received punishment. It's a contact sport. Did Pickford receive punishment for his collision with Van Dijk a few years back.
Raymond Fox
394 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:23:59
Ed, Dyche is not playing route one football, but ability is a requirement the more the so called 'good football style' what ever that is anyway, is trying to be played.
The name of the game is supposed to be scoring and winning games, I don't care how we achieve that aim especially the state we are in.
As we are its a case of beggars cant be choosers.
George McKane
395 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:34:52
Time to ditch the negativity - forget - ignore Moshiri and Kenwright - put them out of our thoughts - time for Dyche and players to look at the general media seemingly critical of and against Everything Everton - at themselves - at the EPL /Referees - and - turn it inwards - build a wall around Team/ Players/ Management - talk/debate/discussions and Devlop a Plan/Identity - An Ethos.
Yesterday was as pathetic as almost anything I have witnessed in 60+ years of watching Everton - so l like most of you True Blues - was an Evertonian Yesterday - Evertonian Today and will be An Evertonian Tomorrow - will support and give patience as long as we can all see real and positive progress action and change.
Pete Clarke
396 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:37:33
All of the problems lead to one man and we all know who it is.
What’s the point of banging on about Dyche and his players when they are with us because of the downright incompetence of one man. Err, OK. Two men.
If they remain in control then the incompetence will continue to get worse.

There should be an emergency supporters gathering to Demand the immediate sale of the club and the next few games boycotted to back it up because without drastic action they will continue their unparalleled incompetence until we implode.
The players don’t need us because it’s clear they are scared so please bite the bullet of short term pain for long term gain and try to get rid of these charlatans.
Phil Greenough
397 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:42:22
Can everyone sign this petition, stating no confidence in the Everton board, please? If it's not allowed, can you remove please, Lyndon?

John Williams
398 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:46:50
I certainly do not think you can compere Branthwaite
with the three cente backs at Man City, Burnley and Chelsea.
I thought Levi Colwill had a great game against Liverpool, so much so, they took Salah off.
The two guys who played for the U21s with Garner and the like are streets ahead of Branthwaite.

Jim Gore
399 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:48:45
I’m on a cruise around Italy, yesterday I had the fortune/misfortune to watch the game on the ships tv. I’ve followed Everton for over 60 years and this is getting more and more frustrating. Nothing seems to change, it’s same old, same old. every week. I want my Everton back.
Steve Brown
400 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:53:46
From the FA website:

The player should not be allowed to return to play for at least 6 days after the injury (it often takes longer than this) and in strict accordance with the return to play guidelines (above). This will include a return to baseline of the SCAT 3, or web-based, neuro-psychological criteria. A baseline profile will be available from the pre-season assessment.

Neil Copeland
401 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:55:51
A lot of negative comments have been aimed at our support yesterday for, mainly, the treatment of DCL.

I went to the game and although there were indeed some boos aimed at Dom, I think they were borne from a mix of frustration, ignorance (of the actual injury) and anger at not having a decent back up to bring on. All of which are understandable although booing him was still out of order.

It was pleasantly surprising then, to me at least, when Maupay got a decent reception.

My point really is that I think we can all be too quick to judge at times.

We should save the boos for the board and owner and get behind the team. They need our help once again. I was as pissed off as anyone after giving up yet another day to watch that rubbish. Tell you what though, I will be there again on Saturday with 36k others willing the team on.


Christy Ring
402 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:03:29
Dyche subbed Gueye at halftime yesterday, he was very poor. Why not try a loan deal with City for Phillips, who is further down the pecking order after they signed Kovacic, would be a massive upgrade on Gueye.
Jamie Crowley
403 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:06:35
Not only is the title of this thread completely accurate in describing our performance as “pathetic”, we are also in the midst of terrible luck with injuries.

All this is adding up to portents of doom.

Wolves is now a massive game early in the season. At home against another possible relegation candidate, we have to win. A draw isn’t good enough, we need three points at home against another bottom table team.

The current landscape is patently ugly. Turn this ship around quickly or we will sink.

Clive Rogers
404 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:17:34
Phil, 397, we have new board members. Shouldn’t it be no confidence in the chairman?
Kevin Molloy
405 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:22:24
The penny has dropped for me on Michael Keane, when I saw the headline this aft from the daily mail. 'Everton offer Branthwaite improved terms to fend off bigger clubs'. I reckon about this time next week, it will be 'talks break down', then 'youngster slams in transfer request to rock crisis club Everton' and finally 'United sign kid with golden future'. Only a mentalist would have played Keane before him, but we have clearly earmarked him for the August Sales and are therefore ensuring he doesn't get injured.. How else to fund our own star recruitment. Moshiri is determined, not one penny more is he wasting.
Rennie Smith
406 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:32:56
Soren#392 - "We urgently need:
A "fit" goal scorer
A creative midfielder
And if we can afford, a Central Defender."

We can't afford any of them mate!

Ajay Gopal
407 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:36:38
One thing that bothered me a lot yesterday was our defending of their corners. They had 3 players to take their short corners, but we left only Garner to press them. They were able to easily play around and put the ball in our box wherever they wanted, Their 2nd goal was a result of a corner. I thought Dyche would have sorted that out. Another thing that I noticed was that our right flank was left poorly defended all game yesterday, Lucas Digne was striding up and down the entire game with hardly any resistance. The Fulham goal also came about because of a non-existent right flank. Again something that Dyche should have noticed and plugged. And those saying that Garner should be played centrally, I agree, but didn’t he play superbly in the RB position against Bournemouth and was crucial in getting us the win? When McNeil and Harrison are fit, I agree Garner should be played centrally, but until then, Dyche must make optimum use of the resources at his disposal. I liked what I saw from Danjuma and Dobbin yesterday to think that either of them would replace Iwobi if he were to be out for an extended period of time. Assuming that Calvert-Lewin would need another week to recover from his eye/facial injury and that we sign Che Adams soon, I guess Dyche would go with:


Danjuma Doucoure Dobbin

Onana Garner

Young Branthwaite Tarkowski Patterson


Long term, when everyone is fit,


McNeil Danjuma Harrison

Onana Garner

Young Branthwaite Tarkowski Patterson


Stuart Sharp
408 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:41:49
Ed #376
I agree with some of that. I'm less worried about style of play if it's a short-term thing to get stability before building, plus I think his teams do sometimes play better football than he gets credit for. The loss of the Fulham match was about negligence in the market, and missing McNeil, not about style. But I fully agree about his stubborn selections. If we don't see Branthwaite on Saturday, I'll be fuming. Pretty sure Danjuma will start, not least because our 'winger' Iwobi will be out.
Roger Helm
409 Posted 21/08/2023 at 17:12:26
I was hopeful that with Dyche the team would be at least well organised, motivated and fit, but not much evidence of that so far this season.

There is no point changing managers now. The fact is that everyone who comes to the club, be they players, managers or directors of football, arrive with good reputations but then deteriorate and go backward when they are here. If Pep Guardiola and Lionel Messi signed on, they too would probably fail.

Something more fundamental is wrong with the club. What it is I don't know, but it coincides with Kenwright's tenure and has gotten worse since Moshiri arrived. That is the place to start.

Barry Hesketh
410 Posted 21/08/2023 at 17:35:05
AJay @407
I thought Emery played a blinder with those short corners, Everton obviously didn't have a clue as to how to combat them and perhaps, Emery thought that most regulation corners would be defended pretty well, even by our defence.

I'm not sure, why Dyche didn't do something about it, but sometimes managers have their own way of setting up and refuse to alter it, even when the opponents are causing problems for the team they manage.

Jim Lloyd
411 Posted 21/08/2023 at 18:15:46
I think when we get to the end of the transfer window, Sean Dyche will have all the players he'll be getting in his squad. except for injuries.

I'm sorry to hear about Calvert-Lewin and I can't believe he was booed by some supporters. A broken cheek bone can be agony, yet the lad played on. It says a lot for his bravery. Get well soon, lad!

I wasn't expecting many points until the end of the window and look at each point as a bonus. I don't understand why anyone thinks us playing Aston Villa, (or Wolves or Fulham for that matter) are easy games for us. We are disjointed and missing McNeil and Harrrison, who both give us a lot of skill, they'll give us goals and they'll make chances.

Danjuma has already shown he will be a plus for the squad. and I'm sure Harrison will be the same for us. I don't know about the young lad we've bought but hopefully he'll be a plus as well.

I was having a conversation via WhatsApp with Brian Wilkinson last night, and, like many, he was not feeling very positive. I ddin't see the match but, even before the game, I thought we'd be very lucky to get a draw. I was hoping at best that we'd get a draw but could see us getting tonked 3- or 4-nil and hoped it wouldn't be a slaughter of 6- or 7-nil.

We are a disjointed. Dyche and Thelwell have to make the best of what we've got and bring in players while having (I imagine) bugger all with which to carry out the recruitments they would wish for, and sell, or loan all those they'd want to see gone.

It seems to me they've made a decent start with Harrison joining McNeil as an attacking player who can also get back and do defensive duties. Danjuma looks a bright player, knows where the goal is, and is not afraid to put the tackle in either. So those three players are, for me the makings of a better midfield and attack.

When I say I feel we've got a disjointed squad, I think there are players in it who are not right for the positions they usually play in. I don't think Onana is anything like what we need in midfield and looks like someone keeps switching his battery off. We can't afford to have anyone go missing like he does. For me, he plays like someone who thinks he's better than he is.

Then there's Doucouré. He's scored some great goals for us, but missed just as many sitters, like he did against Fulham. He can't control a ball anything well enough for a Premier League player and Iwobi? He does loads of running but to what effect?

In my view, our midfield with these three in it are not good enough, neither in defence nor in attack. I think Garner could be a much better player in the middle with a better group of players around him. I think, with McNeil, Danjuma and Harrison plus Garner, we would have a decent mobile and atttacking midfield. I haven't seen the young Italian lad play but assume he's decent.

I think a lot of us are looking at Keane and thinking "He's not good enough and turns like the QE2". Maybe he'd be better as a sub up front!

I don't think Patterson is ready for the Premier League and hope Seamus comes back very soon, or else we need a better right back… now.

I think that from what I've seen of Young, he'll do a decent job... for now! If we could sell Iwobi, Doucouré and Onana I wouldn't be crying in my beer if we could use the money raised to improve the squad.
As we're (I assume) extremely short of money, my guess is we let Coady go because we'd have had to have paid £4 million for him … shame that.

This is the team I sent over to Brian with a bit of luck on the injury front and two or three players coming in, we might have:

Keeper; Pickford (though if we'd have kept our previous reserve goalie, and Pickford was sold, I wouldn't scream at him going.

RB Coleman
CB Branthwaite
CB Tarkowski
LB Young

McNeill Garner Gueye Harrison

Gray (if we don't sell him. My view, he's a better goalscorer than given credit for, and in a fluid midfield or attack, I think we'll get more goals.)

Doucouré (if we can't sell him)
Onana (same as above)
Iwobi (if not sold)
Dele (if he can recover).

Plus whoever we can bring in with the sale of those pointed out.

Phil Greenough
412 Posted 21/08/2023 at 21:09:11
Possibly Clive@404, however, who's to say they're not in cahoots with Kenwright? Your call though.
Len Hawkins
413 Posted 22/08/2023 at 13:59:37
Adams isn't coming he'd rather the chance of coming back up with Soton than going down again, he probably called in the bookies and got better odds on Soton coming back up.
Danny O’Neill
414 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:41:12
Get in George and great to see you back. I hope you are well and wish you health.

Here's a story about an Evertonian who sadly lost his life very young. A relative and second cousin.

One of the pictures shows a very young Anichibe in a Royal Marines training camp he arranged for the Everton Academy at the time. Ben Nowak is right in the centre of the picture..

Lifelong Evertonian for as long as his short life lasted.


Ray Smith
415 Posted 22/08/2023 at 21:54:00
George @395,

I've been an Evertonian since 1964 as a 13-year-old and, to echo your comments, we carry on through thick and thin!
However, the current situation takes some stomaching.
I don't blame Dyche for our current financial position, I blame 1 person and it's not Moshiri.

Who is actually supposedly handling transfer negotiations?, Thelwell or Kenwright, and on deadline day, Kenwright will say we tried as best as we could!!! Same old, year-in & year-out.

Bill, just go!

What's happening with the Adams transfer? Gnonto – total farce from £4M to £30M in one year… 😂😂😂

I bet Wolves can't wait for Saturday… 🤞surprise me!

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