Sheffield United 2 - 2 Everton

Everton were in action at lunchtime today when they could only draw with newly promoted Sheffield United at Bramhall Lane after taking the lead but failing to build on it with yet more missed chances.

Beto, Danjuma and Branthwaite start with McNeil on a heavily depleted bench — only five outfield players instead of eight, with no sign of Michael Keane, Demarai Gray, André Gomes or Lewis Dobbin. 

Dominic Calvert-Lewin did not need surgery on his fractured cheekbone but is still sidelined, while Seamus Coleman and Dele Alli are not expected to be match-fit this month. Vitalii Mykolenko is on the bench after limping off at Doncaster on Wednesday. Jack Harrison is still not fit enough to be considered.

Everton kicked off and Garner was fouled for a free-kick wide right that he delivered poorly. But Everton kept up the forward momentum until they gave up a free-kick but on the whole, it was scrappy until The Blades played some good balls through the middle, winning a corner that was half-cleared. 

Everton looked to build but Young gave the ball away and Branthwaite was deemed to have fouled his man sufficiently for a very early yellow card and Eagan had a free header that Pickford was very grateful to grasp.

Archie was threatening to get free and he put Tarkowski under pressure. Everton tried the outball again down the left and Beto had a snapshot that was deflected off an arm and wide. Onana's header was fumbled by Foderingham and Doucouré was in to tap home at the second attempt. 

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A great break was created when Doucouré freed Danjuma but he was a bit selfish, his shot deflected behind with three other players up with him. Beto's speed and determination was impressive. A dreadful giveaway by Gana let Larouci scamper forward and shoot straight at Pickford. 

A good piece of combination play by The Blades saw Pickford down quickly to his left to parry the low shot from Hamer for a corner that was defended well. Everton tried to create space, passing around well enough, only for the ball to end up back with Pickford.  

The Blues were pressing high when they could and trying to force turnovers but decent passing sequences were rare.  Danjuma wanted another chance when he was gifted a ball knocked down by Beto but he shot from too narrow and angle with no guile.

Everton were not clearing their limes and McBurnie was able to tee it up easily for Archer to smash it past Pickford. 

Beto did well to force himself past two players but shot from a stupid angle rather than laying it back; however, it won a corner that caused some threat, less so from the subsequent corner. Beto was really getting involved, Egan coming off worst for trying to stop the big fella. 

Fine play by Doucoure again released Danjuma and again he absolutely wasted it. In the next attack, at least he tried a cross to someone else but it was overhit beyond the far post. So many good moves into the opposition area but too many Everton players making the wrong decisions.

Harmer fouled Gana 35 yards out but Garner played it short and nothing came of it until there was turnover, Hamer playing a clever ball to unmarked Archie who fired onto the post, it bounced back off Pickford's shoulder and into the net. Far far too easy for The Blades to score again. 

A hugely disappointing half for Everton who had finally scored a goal to take the lead but proved incapable of building on it and instead were torn apart far too easily for two very simple goals in return. 

From the restart, Branthwaite took a hit challenging for a high ball. Beto did very well with a brilliant backheel to Danjuma who was dragged back by Ahmedhodzic as he crossed the 18-yard line but no penalty. The referee stupidly drew two shaving foam lines for the wall that easily stopped Danjuma's poor effort. 

A corner was won and a really good delivery from Young skipped off Eagan's head and away.  Beto's speed and acceleration again won out but his cross in was poor, behind for a corner which Beo had to stretch for but didn't get a strong enough contact. 

But this time it was Everton playing the clean slick football for a rare moment, a terrific cross in from Patterson with Danjuma finishing in style from close range at the far post. 

Everton got in a bit of a mix-up Patterson gifting Larouci a shot that he blazed over. Better play got the Blues out of defence and Danjuma all the way to the byeline again but the rapid clearance immediately had Everton under pressure again, Patterson having to give up a corner, that Egan delivered straight to Pickford. 

Larouci fouled Onana as Everton tried to build through the middle, but it was defended clear. Larouci then came off worst against Garner. Danjuma and Doucouré wasted another chance with the ball played straight to Foderingham. 

More slack Everton defending almost gave up another goal, Pickford pulling off a great flailing body save to stop Thomas converting a cross to the far post at close range. 

It was highly competitive, Docucore overstepping the line, barging into Baldock. It was a superb delivery that Branthwaite did very well to clear as McaNeil replaced Garner.

Sheffield were gifted another free-kick but it fell to Robinson who blazed over. Everton tried to work it down the right with crosses in from Young, Danjuma and Onana coming to nothing. 

Basham gave away a foul on Onana very centrally, Young getting his free-kick  over the wall but straight into Foderingham's hands. Everton tried to break but it just came straight back, Branthwaite having to defend. 

Still Everton struggled to fashion decent forward moves but eventually McNeil did well and played in a lovely ball but no-one could get on it. Everton were struggling to get it forward although Beto came close to embarrassing Foderingham on a backpass. 

Beto no longer had the pace to beat his man as the minutes ticked away toward 6 minutes of added time.  Everton tried to work it in but Doucuoré couldn't make a clean pass in the penalty area and The Blades advanced again, Tarkowski blocking a rocket with his head, being forced off by the ref for a concussion check Everton down to 10 men defending the throw-in.

Dyche immediately reacted, putting Godfrey on before the throw-in was taken, and defended clear.  It remained desperately competitive in midfield with everyone scrapping for the ball, Godfrey giving away a late free-kick that Pickford plucked out of the air and launched down the right. 

McNeil wanted to shoot but was blocked. Godfrey wanted to play forward but his pass was horrendous. McNeil tried to break but he seemed impeded. It was very tense as both teams were torn between holding a point and going for a goal to win it. 

S heffield United won a very late corner in minute 90+9, and Pickford made an astonishing double save, first a tremendous header from McBurnie punched up onto the bar and bouncing down, McBurnie then failed to flick the bouncing ball past Pickford. 

Just an incredible end to a game of shockingly poor quality between two struggling teams at the bottom of the Premier League. A 6-pointer? No, just a 2-pointer is all this was worth.

Sheffield United: Foderingham; Ahmedhodzic [Y:49'], Egan (68' Basham), Robinson; Baldock, Norwood, Souza, Hamer, Larouci (67' Thomas); Archer (75' Traore), McBurnie.

Subs not Used: A Davies, Trusty, Bogle, Slimane, Osula.

Everton: Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski (90+2' Godfrey)Branthwaite [Y:9'], Young, Gana, Onana, Doucoure [Y:73'], Garner (75' McNeil), Danjuma, Beto.

Subs not Used: Virginia, Lonergan, Mykolenko, Chermiti, Onyango. 

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Michael Boardman
1 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:37:11
7 on the bench, 2 of them keepers - guess we won't be making 5 subs then?

Transfer window was fine until yesterday, but guess we know where the Beto money came from (and the usual we were 38p behind Leeds' valuation of Gnonto, but we wouldn't go a penny higher)

James Potter
2 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:37:20
Only 7 subs? Speaks volumes
Alex Gray
3 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:39:08
7 subs, 2 keepers. Cracking window lads. Really balanced out that squad I see.
Iain Johnston
4 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:39:53
Do we interpret by only the 7 that Gray is still potentially on his way... and why no Keane?
Michael Lynch
5 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:41:42
Not sure how the more positive ToffeeWebbers can claim this was a successful window, looking at the spaces on our bench.

Utterly incompetent as usual. The worst run club in the league.

Ian Jones
6 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:41:52
Sheffield United only have 8 on the bench.

Whilst I don't agree with 5 subs being allowed to be made, you would hope that two younger players could have been included to give them experience of what sitting on a bench is like!

Barry Hesketh
7 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:42:02
Michael @ 1
There was no Beto money to be found until next year, so it didn't have to come from anywhere, somebody on GOT said he was a glorified loan, because if we can't pay for him next summer, he'll go back to his parent club - slightly harsh, but a grain of truth too.
Ian Jones
8 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:43:00
Predictions anyone?
4 -1 to us :)
Alec Gaston
9 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:46:57
No Keane in the squad
James Potter
10 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:47:57
Not advocating Gomes should play, but we're paying him 120k a week, if he's fit he should be on the bench in case of an emergency at least. Unless he's off to Saudi, which I presume is the case with gray, if not they should both be there.
Tom Bowers
11 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:48:05
So when will Harrison be fit. Next season ?

Why do we seem to sign players who are not ready ?

James Potter
12 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:49:47
October Tom is the latest update
James Hughes
13 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:54:58
Where is Demari is he still injured as well?
John Keating
14 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:55:10
No excuse whatsoever in having a full bench
Even if he’d put a couple of youngsters on just to give them a taste
No, no excuse whatsoever
Michael Lynch
15 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:57:51
Fair point James, where is Gomes? Also Dobbin and Keane? All three must be injured or surely they’d be on the bench?

Any more injuries or any sales to Saudi clubs and we won’t need a bench, just a couple of fold up chairs.

Frank Knight
16 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:58:06
Probably keeping the coach numbers down to save on petrol
Christy Ring
17 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:58:52
So we get rid of Iwobi, Cannon and Maupay, bring in no one yesterday, and have only 7 subs, 2 of them goalkeepers, well done Kenwright and Moshiri. By the way Sinisterra went to B’mouth last night as well from Leeds, I thought we were looking for him as well?
Alex Gray
18 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:59:35
Gray isn't available because he's been frozen out all summer because he was off until the club realised last minute he wasn't. The lad's not had a pre season for literally no reason because we're run by chimps.
Barry Hesketh
19 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:00:56
Perhaps, he expected Iwobi, Cannon and Maupay to still be with us, after all they were here last night until very late:) I assume Moshiri / Kenwright told him they were being sold?
Brian Williams
20 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:01:32
We'd did bring players before yesterday though Christy.
Yesterday was only one day, the last, of the transfer window.
We brought in Beto, before the last day who scored mid week to help us to a victory and get us into the next round.
Bigger picture, not just yesterday. 😉
Matthew Johnson
21 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:02:00
The depleted bench is a powerful statement by Dyche to us the fans the press and his bosses. 'look at the lack of resources I have'
James Potter
22 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:03:22
Is it Dyche making a point to the powers that be?? Dangerous game to be playing with points at stake.

Christy, I agree and gauling to say the least when I saw that last night, especially given the gnonto pantomime that lasted 2 months

Michael Kenrick
23 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:04:54
It's just bizarre. Why would you not maximise your options within such a highly regulated but potentially critical provision of cover during the match???

More 'reality' bullshit from Sean Dyche. Nothing about why the missing players are missing.

Karl Jones
24 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:05:56
3-1 to Sheffield..Beto to score. That back four is worrying. Mistakes costing us.
Ernie Baywood
25 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:06:20
Bizarre? Yes
Surprising? Nothing surprises me with this club any more.
Kevin Naylor
26 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:07:59
Dyche's slight relief from the flack of not scoring and getting zero points from 3 games will soon get disappear if we lose today. If he's playing games by not naming enough bodies for a full team today then I wish he'd just fook off and do it somewhere else.
Peter Thistle
27 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:08:06
Is anyone else getting a stuttering sound from the TNT sports channel on virgin media ? frickin annoyin
James Hughes
28 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:08:42
the depleted bench might be a powerful message but it is also feckin' stupid message. When we have four players ignored. Mind you he doesn't make subs does he
Danny Baily
29 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:09:19
The bench should be full. Absolutely no reason for it not to be.
Peter Thistle
30 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:09:26
could he not have put 4 under 21's on the bench ?
Bryan Houghton
31 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:10:38
The bench. So I thought, bloody hell, where is everyone - Keane, gray, Dobbin ? Then realised they gotta be injured. Dyches love-in with Keane, and his minutes for dobbin- they'd be on the bench if they were able to play. But then I thought maybe it's Dyches message to the board 'youre not giving enough for me to do my job', but then I thought 'nah, the board wouldn't understand the message if it was painted on the Liver building anymore than give a shit about the message, even if they did understand it.
Nope. I think Dyche has put that bench out cos that's all he believes he's got ready and able to do some sort of a job. IE, you are on the bench, then your ready. Esp for the kids it's the only msg to send.
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:11:03
Maybe Keane and Gray are being protected before their move to Riyadh is
Andrew McLawrence
33 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:13:02
Can't help but think that Dyche can't really lose. Don't win matches, it's not my fault, look at the players. Get sacked, I done my best and thanks for the huge pay cheque. Two keepers on bench is criminal. Now come on blues, let's do this!
Raymond Fox
34 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:14:24
Ian 8, 4-1 you need to leave the pop alone.
Robert Williams
35 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:15:56
Is this on Sky?
Rob Hooton
36 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:16:07
Our bench is a complete and utter disgrace at this level, my optimism has been duly tempered. I imagine Keane and Dobbin have been dropped from the squad for their performances midweek?

This is a massive 6 pointer already, I’m not positive but hope we get the win, naturally.

Bill Gall
37 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:17:30
When did we ever use 5 subs and didn't the 21 and under play against West Ham yesterday
Peter Thistle
38 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:17:43
it's on TNT ultimate ( formerly BT sports )
Kim Vivian
39 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:17:55
BT/TNT Robert. I'm waiting for our streams wizards to show up.
Kevin Naylor
40 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:18:43
Got to pray Beto doent get injured because we will be royally fooked if he does,
Alan J Thompson
41 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:18:46
I haven't read any of the comments but I'd be surprised if most find it difficult to understand not filling the bench even if it means some of the more promising youngsters are given a day at the races. And has Gray really done anything that excludes him from possibly helping out, one big family, eh? Mind you, I'll look a real fool if all three keepers are needed, eh, Mr Dyche.
Billy Shears
42 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:19:37
Blues to win...1-2.
You BETo!
Peter Thistle
43 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:20:37
no live forum today ?
Jim Bennings
44 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:20:51
Tom 11

I understand the frustration but look at it this way, if Jack Harrison was a free agent and we picked him up at the end of September (when he'll be fit ) then you would take that free agent all day long right?

He's on loan with an option to buy so he's got plenty of time to produce what we've seen in the last few seasons.

Kevin Naylor
45 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:25:14
Dyche comes across as the 'I don't have to tell or justify to anyone what I do type'. Which is okay when you are winning but when you're desperate for points the fans need to know why he's leaving the bench so light when he doesnt have to (unless of course he tells us why),
Sean O’Hanlon
46 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:28:24
Robert (#35) I've found a link that seems OK
Andy Crooks
47 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:29:09
Would it not be good management from Dyche to simply explain his decision not to have a full bench. Otherwise it looks half witted.
Peter Thistle
48 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:29:27
Things can only get Beto .
Steve Dawson
49 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:29:32
Link: seems to be working (here in US)
Christy Ring
50 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:40:26
Brian #20 losing Iwobi, Cannon and Maupay on the last day of the window and bringing in around £28m, and not replacing them, that’s the bigger picture.
Tom Bowers
51 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:43:12
What a bad pass by Young. That set up United and Branthwaite got a totally undeserved yellow card from an incompetent referee.
Peter Thistle
52 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:44:46
get in there !
James Hughes
53 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:45:23
At Last
Peter Thistle
54 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:48:01
shoulda laid it off
Tim Greeley
56 Posted 02/09/2023 at 12:59:44
Branthwaite (Jazz Branners a la John Hall 🤣) is gonna be worth a ton of $$ one day, such a stud. Just woke up and we already have a goal!!
Michael Lynch
57 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:04:00
Andrew McLawrence
58 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:04:39
1-1 dreadful
Tim Greeley
59 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:05:06
There goes that
Ralph Basnett
60 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:05:14
Take the lead and sit back……..
Matt Butlin
61 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:05:18
Onana just let the cross come in… Pickford let him know.
Andy Kay
62 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:06:37
Branthwaite marking no one for their goal. Poor
Jimmy Carr
63 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:08:22
Long time toffee web reader, first time poster. Reading the comments re the transfer window on here, I see the TW conspiracy theorists are out in full force regarding the Everton bench!
Michael Lynch
64 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:09:54
Why does Onana just stroll around like he’s down the park with his missus and the kids?
Pete Gunby
65 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:12:51
Two poor teams. Passing and possession is shocking. Beto looks dangerous if we can get him the ball.
Alex Gray
66 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:13:14
Gana and onana lazy so far. Too many loose balls and not tracking back. These are utter dross.
Bobby Mallon
67 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:15:49
Every comment is the same each week. Nothing changes no matter who we have in charge. We buy mediocre players
Andrew McLawrence
68 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:18:31
2-1 utter dross
Matt Butlin
69 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:18:36
And that’s Everton.
Ralph Basnett
70 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:19:37
They equalise and we still sit back…..
Michael Lynch
71 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:19:48
It’s just depressing how shit we are
Matt Butlin
72 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:20:23
We’ve got the killer instinct of Paris Hiltons poodle. Go 0-1 up and ease off. Even feel a bit sorry for the opposition.
George Cumiskey
73 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:20:27
Brent have you looked at our midfield and defence lately ?
Ralph Basnett
74 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:20:28
They take the lead, and we still sit back…….
Derek Powell
75 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:20:49
Absolutely shite
Ernie Baywood
76 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:20:49
Alex Gray, are you watching?

Onana is head and shoulders above the rest of our side so far.

Overall we're watching two pretty awful teams playing pretty awful football.

Alex Gray
77 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:16
Happy clappers go on defend this will you? Tell me how we’ve improved.
Mark Tanton
78 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:17
Unforgiveable when you're on top to just fucking pack up as usual. Where is the heart?
Clive Rogers
79 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:22
Tarkowski beat too easily.
Alex Gray
80 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:42
Yes Ernie I am watching are you?
Ian Jones
81 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:50
Raymond, sorry, I meant 4-2 to us!
Dan Parker
82 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:21:53
Utterly pathetic defending at this level. Tarkowski has lost his head since his mate Coady left. Patterson dear or dear, and Young.
Michael Lynch
83 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:22:15
Onana? Are you serious?
Andrew McLawrence
84 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:22:16
Even simple stuff like sideway passes are a thing of jeopardy
Lester Yip
85 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:22:27
Patterson has to pass better. His cross attempts are wasteful.
Craig Walker
86 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:23:04
Someone last week commented “bring on the derby” when we signed Beto. The RS will put 6 past us with 10 men. We have problems all over the pitch and none of them have been addressed. Beto is probably our best player. Our barometer used to be the RS. These days, we’re behind the Fulhams, Bournemouths and Brentfords of this world. Utterly demoralising week after week. I don’t blame Dyche. He’s working with muppets.
Michael Lynch
87 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:24:50
No heart, no brain, no sense, no skill.

We’re going to be zero points from six games and adrift at the bottom when Luton come to our place. Let’s hope the season starts then.

Not sure if I can watch much more of this shit.

Dan Parker
88 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:25:15
It’s the older players that disappoint me the most. Gana, Tarkowski, Duke and Young are just going through the motions and showing zero leadership to the younger lads.
Ernie Baywood
89 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:25:43
Where's your vote going, Michael? He's the one player (actually include Beto so far too) who can both control and pass a ball.

Other than that it's barely worth listing the poor performers. But a special mention for Danjuma who had achieved the feat of making clearly the wrong decision every single time he's had the ball.

Patterson can't cross. Garner can't play wide. Gana can't pass. Young suddenly looks 48.

Doucoure, goal apart, hasn't been involved enough to get a rating.

Ian Jones
90 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:25:48
Alex, it's the first 45 mins after the transfer window shut. I imagine it takes time to improve the situation. However, it would be great to see the basics done well
Geoff Williams
91 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:26:12
Paterson off, Garner to right back and McNeil out wide. Young isn't good enough either but the alternative would be no better.
Ernie Baywood
92 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:27:20
I'd do exactly that, Geoff. And somehow switch Danjuma's mental faculties on.
Matt Butlin
93 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:27:23
Onana could be great but he’s a long way off anything like Fellaini was at the minute. He’s almost a ‘that’s not my job’ kind of player. We need him involved much, much more. If he’s interested.
Mark Tanton
94 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:27:58
Massive half of football coming up. How did we get ourselves in this position today when we were cruising at 20 minutes? It truly is baffling.
Alex Gray
95 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:28:35
Ian I admire the optimism. This isn’t going to get better. The midfield doesn’t work at all and our defence has just been ripped apart by sheff utd. As expected Beto is in no mans land because 90% of the team cant pass a ball five yards.
Barry Hesketh
96 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:28:57
There's no other team that gives up the initiative so often as Everton do. Instead of going for the jugular, they decide, well it's a nice day, let's amble about with little purpose and we might get lucky and score a second. Instead, they allow lady luck through the door and she hates Everton with a passion.

As for Jordan and Tarkowski smiling about the second goal due to its good-fortune for Sheffield or misfortune for Everton, that's unacceptable, every goal conceded should be taken as a personal affront.

This was a game we could have won, now, I'm not so sure we'll take a point, unless we show a little more ambition and learn how to cross and pass the ball in and around their penalty area.

Michael Lynch
97 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:29:03
Ernie, only Beto looks PL standard to me. The crossing, passing and decision making is rank amateur. Onana clearly has skill but he strolls around like it’s a friendly. He needs to impose himself or he’s a luxury player
Sean McCarthy
98 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:29:14
Paterson is a piss poor player. Drop Garner to RB and bring McNeill on. Also our crossing is pitiful!!
Sheffield look a poor side and rather worryingly we don't look any better
Stuart Gray
99 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:29:47
Don't blame Dyche? He's not up to the job, supposed to be defensively astute? Simply never had the credentials for this role, can't score, apparently can't defend. Very poor man's Sam Allardyce.
Alan J Thompson
100 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:30:33
A piss poor half between two piss poor sides.

Branthwaite's yellow seemed a bit harsh as he got the ball and followed through while the Sheffield player was moving into the tackle/follow through.

Danjuma on the breakaway then has a 4 on 2 advantage but doesn't make the anything of it.
We seem to be pressing high up the pitch but the defence, Tarkowski in particular, seems incapable of dealing with a long ball and for their first goal he looked intent on getting into a position to block rather than take on the attacker and again didn't seem to want to know for their second.

We don't seem to have any sort of pattern to our game other than get it wide and hope for the best, there has to be some sort of variety to our game which with individual brilliance is sadly missing.

Michael Lynch
101 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:31:55
Matt - very well put about Onana, “thats not my job”. He looks like he should have a butler
Sean McCarthy
102 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:32:40
Stuart at 99. agree 100%
Neil Gribbin
103 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:32:41
We will win this today. These players are far too slack, no arguments there, and they obviously only respond after getting ragged in the half time team “talk”. Not good enough, but I’m confident we will win here
Gerry Western
104 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:34:56
Branthwaite lost his man for the first, Tarkowsky way too slow and unable to block with his left foot for the second. Keane is scapegoated way too often for my liking.
Anthony Jones
105 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:35:09
The reason we look so poor has been and still is our 3 central players.

Gueye can't pass, Onana cannot be arsed to run, and Doucoure can't pass or dribble.

Those 3 are ever-present.

Jonathan Tasker
106 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:36:03
May 2025
We will have been relegated to league one
And Kenwright will still be there
Alex Gray
107 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:36:32
Neil you predict we’re going to score 3? We’ll do our usual huff and puff routine with nothing resembling an effective style of play, sheff utd will get one counter attack and make it 3-1 because we cant attack or defend.
Si Cooper
108 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:38:48
Lose this and we are going down at end of the season. Sheffield just not good enough to survive and if we cannot beat them we must be as poor as them.
45 minutes to start the salvage work. UTFT!
Justin Doone
109 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:39:12
We can't defend. A Dyche team that can't defend or keep a clean sheet. That's how bad we are.

A month early but let's start the manager debate again.

Any early manager names in contention. What's big Dunc upto?

Come on blue boys, win this and everyone's happy!

Matt Butlin
110 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:40:03
Cheers Micheal. It does wind me up. You see the work rate of other teams off the ball and in possession too, to provide options for the player on the ball. We’re not even at the bloody races.
Michael Lynch
111 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:40:20
That is was a pen ffs
Michael Lynch
112 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:42:02
And then the ref drew a second line!? I give up
Frank Knight
113 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:42:30
Why only yellow?
Frank Knight
114 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:43:13
Ref a joke
Dan Parker
115 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:44:50
Should have been a pen, red card even. Beto the only positive
Michael Lynch
116 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:45:00
Branthwaite having his shirt taken off him at the corner. Joke
Michael Lynch
117 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:45:00
Branthwaite having his shirt taken off him at the corner. Joke
Andrew McLawrence
118 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:45:53
2-2 Danjuma
Matt Butlin
119 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:46:01
Good, good goal, that.
Dan Parker
120 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:46:14
Great goal. Oh to have two strikers
Mark Tanton
121 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:47:05
Brilliant to have been able to equalise so quickly, all to play for now and we absolutely have to go for the throat now. Come on, we need a win.
Andy Kay
122 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:48:00
Great cross from Patterson, credit when it's due
Michael Lynch
123 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:48:01
Beto and Danjuma making a difference for sure
Peter Thistle
124 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:48:02
asheley young can't cross for shit, cmon Everton !
Chris Leyland
125 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:49:08
Beto is so much better than any other player on the pitch
Tim Greeley
126 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:50:39
When there is no Live Forum it feels like we’re being punished for being naughty on the last one…. I miss it!
James Alder
127 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:51:05
Yes, really like Beto, he might not score many goals but he links up play and causes problems for the defence.
Neil Gribbin
128 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:58:58
I do think we will score at least one more Alex. I hope so anyway
Michael Lynch
129 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:59:03
I’m surprised by how much skill Beto has. He is quite similar to DCL but more confident and much stronger
Dan Parker
130 Posted 02/09/2023 at 13:59:31
It’s going to be a long long season. But at least we’re not going into games relying on DCL being perhaps fit
Dan Parker
131 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:02:46
The defending there was fucking shocking again: players standing off watching in our own box
Dan Parker
132 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:04:35
A yellow card for that!?
Lester Yip
133 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:06:03
What kind of referee is that? A yellow card for what?
Ian Jones
134 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:07:37
Si, whilst I understand your point, we would have 34 games to save our season
Ralph Basnett
135 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:07:43
Trying our hardest to throw this away.
Johan Elmgren
136 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:08:40
Incomprehensible how poor this referee is... But I don't expect anything else from that pool of twats.
Derek Powell
137 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:08:55
Like for like again he's tactically inapt
Alex Gray
138 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:12:29
Ashley young on set pieces/free kicks christ almighty.
Lee Courtliff
139 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:15:24
Ashley Young is shite. On two occasions, at least, he's passed the ball directly to the opposition. And his set pieces are rubbish as well.
Michael Lynch
140 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:19:00
Branthwaite has looked good second half
Dan Parker
141 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:21:10
That started in midfield by passing to a guy surrounded by 3 players. Shite
Michael Lynch
142 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:21:22
We’re awful in transition
Ralph Basnett
143 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:21:33
However hard we try we still can’t throw this away yet.

But trying….

Jamie Evans
144 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:22:08
Doucure May have scored but he’s had a stinker
Ralph Basnett
145 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:25:03
Onana is so negative.
Dan Parker
146 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:26:42
Godfrey is so shite
Ralph Basnett
147 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:28:14
Absolute shite. Us and the ref.
Dan Parker
148 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:29:53
What the fuck is the ref doing
Derek Powell
149 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:29:59
1 point out of 12 is not good enough apart from villa we have dropped 8 points against those in the bottom half of the league we are in the shit big time
Mike Gaynes
150 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:31:08
Another miracle by one of the best shot-stoppers on the planet.
Michael Lynch
151 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:31:28
Ref is as their man of the match. A point is a point I suppose. Better second half but nothing to suggest it isn’t another relegation battle
Dan Parker
152 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:31:36
Not sure what to feel about that. A bit of luck went our way at the end. An away point but need to start grabbing wins and it won’t come against Arsenal.
Lester Yip
153 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:31:55
Almost undone by the referee. Pickford shows why he's no. 1
Ernie Baywood
154 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:32:19
I think we've just watched the two worst teams and the worst referee in the league.

It's hard to overstate how poor Ben Godfrey's cameo was.

Tim Greeley
155 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:32:41
If you don't think some Satan worshipping pedophile from the FA was in the refs ear saying “keep it going, Everton will blow this” then you’re fucking naive. I fucking HATE THIS SHIT
Dan Parker
156 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:33:06
Luton, Sheffield Utd and …. Is the question
David Hallwood
157 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:34:13
Must admit. I've never seen a ref draw the defensive line then when the defenders don't stand there draw another one to accommodate them. Quite revolutionary
Mike Oates
158 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:34:52
Doucoure - the enigma, gets you a goal every now and then, but his control and passing are diabolical. He buggers up so many promising moves
Marc Hints
159 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:35:34
Well can't wait to play the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal,Man city we are heading for some spanking.
Relegation battle it will be again then.
Neil Gribbin
160 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:36:11
Madley. Beyond incompetent. Bordering on blatant corruption there. Woeful. Let’s see how he deals with defenders who won’t, literally, toe the line in other games. The gobshite
Kevin Molloy
161 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:36:15
this is us with our best midfield and defence playing. Just wait til October.
Mike Oates
162 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:36:32
Godfrey has just had it, total lack of any confidence at all. Looks like a rabbit caught in headlights every time a ball comes near to him.
George Cumiskey
163 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:37:18
Two shite teams probably both going down with Luton, young was shocking should of brought Myolenko on for him.
Ernie Baywood
164 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:40:35
Frying pans and fire spring to mind, George.

Was surprised that Chermiti didn't come on given how shattered our attackers looked.

I'm sure Dyche has checked the stats though and running everyone into the ground is the best way to keep them fit.

Alan J Thompson
165 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:41:20
Second half not much better than the first and what is the point of VAR, couldn't agree with any decision they told us that they had made.

We should get Beto, Danjuma and Onana to show the rest how to bring the ball down and have confidence not to lose it.

I really don't see how Young keeps Mykolenko out as he seems a lot better and all Young seems to be there for is set pieces which he isn't very good at. And for those of you doubting him, Pickford once again saves us.

Normally I'd only nominate a MoM for an outstanding performance but there wasn't any of them but I'd say that Branthwaite would be worthy of it today, never put a foot wrong.

Two goals and a point away from home but heaven help us as with the exception of Luton we seem to have played the four worst teams that we are likely to see this season.

Pete Gunby
166 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:43:59
Brilliant from Pickford. Only hope is that there are six or seven really poor teams and in Beto we finally have a threat
Barry Hesketh
167 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:44:48
The referee was appalling and Everton weren't much better. This was a game that if they had wanted it and if they had applied themselves properly, showing some desire and attitude to get the winning goal they would have, but they once again failed to trouble their keeper too much following Everton's equaliser and but for Pickford, we nearly let them away with all three points.

Sad times for this club of ours, there are some improvements but not enough to give us fans the confidence that we need in them. All huff and puff and no finesse just about sums us up, and the fact that it seemed to me at least that Everton players were happy with a point once Danjuma equalised, spells trouble for the rest of this season.

Thirty-four games to go and more than a point a game required.

Tom Bowers
168 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:45:35
Well we finally scored but defensively we are really vulnerable. Their first goal was far too easy and then to cough up again right on half-time was criminal.

If Young is the best we can do for a left back then we really will struggle.It was his awful pass which put Branthwaite in a position to win a tackle and he did play the ball but these days referees say it doesn't matter if the man goes to ground it's a foul and a yellow.

However we may win against Luton which may become a six pointer at this stage of the season unless the defence bucks up.

Jack Convery
169 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:45:56
Don't fotget folks we must be realistic and take all facts in to consideration. We are skint. We have wasted millions. there is no more dosh and we must muddle through every game as best we can, with the players we have. Oh yes how can I forget - KENWRIGHT AND MOSHIRI OUT !
Sean Mitchell
170 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:46:09
Sheffield won everything.

You'd think that they were a premier league team and Everton had come up.

Shocking performance.

11 stevie wonders who can't pass (no disrespect to stevie wonder as he'd play better).

Mark Taylor
171 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:46:18
Dan 156 has it in one. But after that, can we even be sure we finish above SU?

Someone elsewhere suggested this transfer window will see us finish in 13th. I think 16 or 17th would be a good outcome with these players. There are not 7 worse teams than us in this league. Not even close.

The one saving grace is, at least we now have some sort of goal threat. And Branthwaite has promise.

Tony Heron
172 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:46:32
Lack of quality in our play is obvious but trying to be positive Braithwaite looks superb, Beto is exciting and Danjuma can be good for us
( if he learns to be less selfish).
We're also making chances and if we can start to take them things will look better.
Ian Edwards
173 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:47:10
A point is something to build on. But that defence is an utter shocker. I really worry about a full season with that defence. When is Coleman back?
Tim Greeley
174 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:49:32
Positives: we scored, we didnt lose in the 9th minute of 6 minutes extra time (what the FUCK was that about!?), and its out of the way for a long weekend. Lordy we need to improve somehow…
Mike Price
175 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:50:01
Mykolenko is an even worse version of Patterson. Those two expensive purchases are yet another example of our utter transfer ineptitude
Dan Nulty
176 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:50:22
Another season without a ball playing midfielder. Shows up so badly that we can't keep hold of the ball. Tactics letting their full backs have loads of space seemed strange.

Positives: we've had good chances and if Danjuma had his head up we'd probably have been leading at half time as the pressure goes on them considerably. Beto looks like a very good signing. Branthwaite can play, he will be sold for 50m next summer if he carries on.

At least we are on the board, we need wins and soon though.

Ernie Baywood
177 Posted 02/09/2023 at 14:50:55
Lots of frustrations today but something that kills me is to see us not even bother appealing for obvious things.

Branthwaite having his shirt pulled over his head and we don't even appeal? You make a big deal about that one and it goes to VAR. We just didn't bother.

And the foul on Danjuma is a penalty. The holding continued into the area. That's a penalty... And we quite meekly accepted the free kick.

Ajay Gopal
180 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:00:24
I am glad we came away with a point in the end. Losing to a last minute goal just before the international break would have been very, very demoralising. And the commentators going on about Pickford's 'miracle' double save - I have watched it twice, and I feel he should have done better with his first punch. I feel he got lucky - but I might be wrong. Also, Godfrey with his poor, poor pass out straight to the Sheffield United goalie almost resulted in calamity. And how the referee came up with 8 mins of added time I don't know.

On the game, I thought the team played with intensity, but should have put away some of the chances when we were 1-0 up. Beto was as good as Calvert-Lewin at his best - he played his heart out. Onana, Doucoure and Gana did make some poor mistakes, but they tried hard the whole game. Danjuma was very frustrating the 1st half, but I am glad that we have him in the team. Patterson and Young were both improved in their performances. Branthwaite had a great 2nd half, Tarkowski was extremely brave to put his head on the line - quite literally. Dyche had to make a decision - whether to defend the throw-in with 10 players or bring in Godfrey. In hindsight, Godfrey was so poor, he should have played with 10 players momentarily, but at least he was brave enough to make that decision.

And the referees for this game were shocking. Just before the we scored our first goal, Beto's goal-bound shot was clearly and deliberately deflected off the defender's elbow. How that was not even looked at by VAR is baffling. That is just 1 example, there were many more. Terrible refereeing.

Overall, 2 goals scored and an away point, is something to build on. It is going to be a hard, long season, but if we stay largely injury free to our key players, we should be okay.

Tony Everan
181 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:05:18
If you throw a starving man a tin of spam he will gladly accept it. No wins so far so this draw today is very valuable.

I thought we were marginally the better side and should have put the game to bed in the first half. Positives ; Beto makes a massive difference, very strong and a nightmare for defenders. Branthwaite did well too he’s taking it in his stride and looks the part. Danjuma could have made more of his chances in he first half, but was always a menace and looking to attack and get behind.

Pickford literally saved the day at the end like he has done on numerous occasions, incredible save, maybe a massive one come next May.

It’s an away point and a start, we’ve got something to build off and players coming back. I’m certain that if we’d had Beto at the start of the season we would now be on seven points. So we have to keep the focus and work hard and the points will come.

Jeff Armstrong
182 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:05:25
Last week St Virgil get’s sent off for exactly the same offence as the Sheffield lad, also Hooper on VAR was actually hoping to give them a pen, why-do the refs hate us so much ?

Gana breaks up as many of our attacks as he does the opposition.

Mcburney , their most dangerous header of a ball ,is given a free hit in the last seconds on a corner, ridiculous.

Christine Foster
183 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:05:41
I think I am struggling to find positives from that game. Dreadful refereeing, a couple of blatant penalties not given, but most of all, the utter lack of quality.
For the second game in a row, Young looked his age, Patterson hit a good ball in for the goal but that was all he contributed,,,Braithwaite looked solid, Gana had his best game for a long while.. Beto looked a real handful but faded as the secondhalf wore on.
Sheffield Utd were poor.. very poor, we were a lot better but lost our creativity in the second half. We are missing a number 10 to unlock the forwards.. for long periods we were the best team, we need more positive running, too much passing responsibility backwards..a good team would punish use..but thank you Pickford..class saves to earn a point...
Stephen Vincent
184 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:07:50
Quote from a Southampton fan site:

"I might be very reactionary here but I don't think I ever wanna see Mason Holgate start in a Saints shirt again."

So started where he left off then. Following Southampton 5-0 defeat to Sunderland at lunch time.

Ralph Basnett
185 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:07:58
And Holgate carries on we’re he finished with us by having a howLer today!
Jamie Crowley
188 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:09:24
Christine -

Chin up. We look a much, much better side post-window. I thought we deserved all 3 points.

We were unlucky and surely that will cease at some point? We've played well in 3 of the 4 games, deserving more than we've reaped, and the side looks a hell of a lot better than it did 2-3 weeks ago.

Trust the Yank. 😜

Pete Gunby
189 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:09:43
Expecting Pickford to do better!!!!! What game are you watching Ajay. In real time he gets to a ball and saves us twice. Were you expecting him to trap it, dribble down the field and score the winner. Much room for improvement in that performance but not from Pickford.
Bill Piscass
190 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:09:59
Midfield is no good Gueye was excellent, but no creativity. Dacourt apart from the goal offered very little.
Brian Williams
191 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:11:39
Christine, you say you struggled to find positives but then proceed to manage to highlight a few in your post. 🤣

It's early days. I still think we'll be ok this season.

Peter Carpenter
192 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:14:39
Jeff (182) that's funny. But true, Gana just breaks up attacks.
Stuart Sharp
193 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:16:47
Bill - Dacourt hasn't played for us since the 90s.
Michael Lynch
194 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:17:32
Agree with much of the above. Danjuma reminds me of Kevin Mirallas - a real threat but selfish. Branthwaite will be a very good player - if he works hard he’ll find himself at Man City in a few years, and Beto is the best front man we’ve had since Lukaku.

The reffing was baffling, particularly the Danjuma foul on the edge of the box. While it started right on the line, it continued well into the box. What are the rules? Surely that’s a pen?

Tom Bowers
195 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:18:06
You have to crawl before you can walk.

The referee was poor but what else is new in Everton games where the officials are concerned.

Still there were positives and it's nice to have a World class keeper.

With MacNeil to come back to full match fitness along with DCL and Harrison things should get better.

A point and two goals is a big improvement on the previous three games.

Beto is a big plus.

Stuart Sharp
196 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:27:06
It amazes me that anyone can criticise Pickford in this or any other recent game. It's bad enough when neutrals who probably don't watch our games come out with rubbish about him. He makes far fewer mistakes than most PL keepers, and generally has a lot more to do. He, Beto and Branthwaite were our best players in my view.
Nicolas Piñon
197 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:30:00
We have no bench at all and injuries and suspensions will inevitably come. Hmm

I guess the reconstruction the económical one starts at least.

Bill Piscass
198 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:30:49
Brett Angel and Barlow were terrible again, My feed is really lagging.
Jeff Armstrong
199 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:33:44
Peter 192 it’s true though isn’t it? we are constantly given his interception stats but what about the other stats which aren’t recorded but we see with our own eyes week after week, I think Dyche is stats driven too. Is there a stat for Onana’s lazy play for their equalizer?
Dave Abrahams
200 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:34:05
I’m happy with the point we got, how ridiculous is that, playing against a very poor team like Sheffield were, better stop there, no point in being too negative this early in the season and we have no worries for a fortnight.
Kieran Kinsella
201 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:36:54
In the last three days we have scored, avoided defeat and even won a game. We are improving. Slowly.
Geoff Lambert
202 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:42:40
And that is why we will be fighting for our lives again come April.

Can't beat our main rivals for bottom three, I can not see were our first win is going to come from Bramly moor in the Championship is looking more likely every week. Just checked Luton at home on 30th September Might just scrape a win then.

Si Cooper
203 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:43:31
Si, whilst I understand your point, we would have 34 games to save our season
Yes Ian, I get that there are plenty of games to go but I honestly believe we really do need to start putting some points on the board very quickly if we are to avoid slipping into a vicious circle of ramped up tension and shredded nerves very quickly undermining any positivity gained over the summer and affecting our new recruits to the same extent.
I don’t think you can ignore that this is effectively a continuation of a decline that has led us closer and closer to relegation in successive seasons.
If we already look like a dead duck in October then it might make it easier for them to give us a points reduction as it won’t seem as if they are changing our fate.
Jimmy Carr
204 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:45:25
Listened to it. Kind of worrying but a point is better than nothing.
Anthony Murphy
205 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:46:36
Beto our motm for 2 games on the trot this week. Be interesting to see who gets the nod if DCL fit after the break
Neil Bowman
206 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:48:53
Let's not be too negative. We should have won. Lots of new pairings all over the pitch, which will take time to gel. If we can work out the pace of the away pitches earlier on then we can stop the sloppy passing, which was much better in the 2nd half.
John Graham
207 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:51:01
Beto is a beast of a player, but needs more support.
Pickford and Braithwaite both also had great games and Tarkowski again gave his all and never backed away from a challenge, but apart from them we struggled, especially our fullbacks and with getting any creativity in midfield.
Lots of effort but as soon as we got near their box it was rush and hurry with no thought.
Onana and Doucoure are too similar, all effort but no guile.
Gana gets caught out in no man's land and can't pick out a pass and Garner looks like he doesn't know what his roll is.
Hopefully once Harrison is fit he can play on the right with Garner at fullback, then McNeil can move over to the left and Danjuma can slot in behind Beto.
Left back is a real worry.
Barry Hesketh
208 Posted 02/09/2023 at 15:56:46
Garner's roll is usually cheese and pickle John :)
Dan Parker
209 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:00:42
Beto and Branthwaite, two major positives and Danjuma offers a threat too. McNeill back. Have to hope in the long haul we’ll be good. Bench is weak though but then we offloaded a bunch of players that don’t improve the first 11. Given our financial situation, I think the DoF did a pretty good job this window.
Jack Convery
210 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:00:49
VAR at it again. Giving a CIty goal even though a City player was standing in front of goalkeeper, in an offside position and the ball went through the City players legs but not interfering with play WTF. Game is bent. No other explanation.
Ernie Baywood
211 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:04:14
Absolutely Jack. I've watched and played this sport my whole life and I simply don't understand the offside rules nowadays. How can he not be offside if it goes through his legs?

The keeper dives to his right and saves that if Akanji is not there.

John Graham
212 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:05:26
Look before you leap, and when typing. :)
Stuart Sharp
213 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:06:11
Brilliant, Bill.
Jeff Armstrong
214 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:08:18
VAR covering itself in glory every week, bin it, but the EPL has probably got a10 year contract with the operator’s.
Paul Birmingham
215 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:09:15
Take the point and a few players
back soon from injury and no casulties, from the internationals.

It's a start to the season.


Mick Davies
216 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:10:41
Even Mike Dean disagreed with that City goal. It's quite obvious now that EVERY decision is open to interpretation, and VAR has done nothing to improve the impartiality of officials
Hugh Jenkins
217 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:11:39
We need Brentford to get a coupl now to at least keep us in touch with Bournemouth.

The Internationl break is upon us.

So - two weeks to "sort ourselves out".

Will it happen?

We dominated the Fulham and Wolves games and only lost because of our own failure to score.

With Beto and potentially DCL back, after the break along with McNeil and Harries can we fix this problem?

It seems we definitely need two new full backs and still lack a real playmaker in midfield - although Garner looks as though he might be able to fulfill that role.

Where else do we need to improve and how can we do it?

Thoughts and opinions?

Jeff Armstrong
218 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:15:31
Thought Onana did ok today, but he always plays within himself, he could take games by the scruff of the neck but lacks the confidence to do so,he’s lazy tracking back and never ever shows for throw ins, really frustrating player.
Jay Harris
219 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:17:06
My thoughts for ehst they were.

Once again we snatched a draw from the jaws of victory.

I wish Dyche could get through to these players that you don’t sit back on a lead.

Referee was a disgrace.

Very impressed with Beto and Danjuma although his decision making was a bit suspect at times.

We need more variety and application from mf and the full back areas are our new negative the way Dyche plays.

Dan Parker
220 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:17:20
We need a few of the senior lads to stand up and be counted Hugh. I’d like to see Tarks commanding his back line a bit more. Ashley Young has been sloppy at times too, far too comfortable.
Sean O’Hanlon
221 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:19:31
Why is it when players join Everton they suddenly forget how to play football?

Passing is abysmal. The more passes given away, immediately stops the attack, gives the opposition the initiative and reduces our own chances of creating a shot or even a goal. Passing is such a crucial part of the game, and the Everton team are failing badly at this basic skill.

Ashley Young, over 30 caps for England!!!!! And yet we see a display that a schoolboy would be ashamed of.

John Keating
222 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:19:46
No doubt we'll get another apology from refs after the game. The guys on duty will get a rap and miss the next game.

Honestly, the VAR is not improving itself or the game. It should be ditched if not immediately then at the end of the season. While humans are overseeing this waste of time it will never work. Bin it asap.

Kunal Desai
223 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:19:46
Very worrying that we have taken 1 point from 9 against sides that are likely to be in and around us.

I think the up-and-coming home fixtures against Luton and Bournemouth will need to yield 6 points before going into the derby; otherwise, it's looking ominous even at this early stage.

Mark Ryan
224 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:19:58
A good result and we scored 2 goals.

Glad to hear Demarai Gray is staying at the club. He can provide the ammo for Norbert. Some good signs and overall a good window.

Getting rid of of Maupay and Holgate is top. Signing a striker was a must, and getting a fee for Alex Iwobi was a masterstroke even if we don't see that cash turned into a player.

Mick Davies
225 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:19:59
I was disappointed Garner was hooked for McNeil.

It could have been any of the midfield 3 and put James where he's more effective.

Annika Herbert
226 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:22:08
Some improvements I think, but still a long way to go. We have to hope the international break comes at a good time for us. Because it will, hopefully, give Dyche time to work on our defending.

On a different note, pleased to see Pickford performing at a high level. The goalkeeper some people were suggesting we sell…

Danny Baily
227 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:24:42
A good result. Drawing away to a limited but organised newly promoted side is par for the course.

Ideally we'd be sitting on 5-7 points by now, but the season starts today. Onwards and upwards.

Jeff Armstrong
228 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:24:59
Good shout, Mick 225, Doucouré deserved to be taken off despite his goal.

Give Garner a chance through the middle. Dyche is a bit risk averse at times. Mix it up, Sean, you might find a decent formation that wins games.

Mick Davies
229 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:29:31
Thanks to Spurs, and our arch enemy Son, we're moving up the table
Jack Convery
230 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:29:42
VAR is Vary good for top 6.
Mark Taylor
231 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:30:14
On the penalty, since it started just outside the box, I think the laws mean that's a free-kick, even if it continues inside the box. But others might know better.

What was more perplexing was how that is not a red card. I don't normally stand up for Van Dijk but in comparison, he was a bit unlucky to get a red card compared to today. At least he got the ball. The foul was from an inadvertent trip with his other foot. Their guy today just blatantly grabbed Danjuna's shirt and pulled him back, blatant cheating.

True there was a defender behind him but he was the other side of the box and in no position to stop Danjuma shooting if he had not been fouled. How much clearer a goal-scoring opportunity can you have? It certainly would have been our best chance of the match, except obviously for the goals themselves.

Anthony Dove
232 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:31:00
Archer was impressive for them. Villa have a buy-back option on him, unlike us with Cannon.
Kieran Kinsella
233 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:33:10
Did Phil Mitchell explain the absence of Dobbin etc?
Dan Parker
234 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:33:36
Mark, Van Dijk was a definite red card, last man prevented goal scoring opportunity.

And then the FA booked him for being a gobby twat.

Jack Convery
235 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:35:40
Spurs doing us proud. Just need Brentford to get a winner against Bournemouth.
Clive Rogers
236 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:37:53
Young has given us nothing extra and we’ve conceded several goals following crosses from his side.
Geoff Lambert
237 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:44:58
Just looking at the upcoming games, I can see us on 12-14 points going in to the New Year at this rate.

We can't keep blaming losses on bad luck and bent referees. We have got the most ineffective midfield in the whole league.

Dan Parker
238 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:46:20
You're right, Clive, priority is now a good right-back and left-back. Coleman and Young old and Patterson and Mykolenko can't be relied on as the only option.
Dan Booth
239 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:48:22
Mark Taylor,

For what it is worth, I am a level 4 referee. The initial foul occurred outside the area but carried on into the area, the advantage should be played in that phase of play therefore penalty.

Do you agree??

Sean Mitchell
240 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:48:35
Persisting with Garner on the right when he should be in the middle. It's Iwobi all over again.

Sick of the constant square pegs, round hole issues with every manager we get at this club.

Stubborn arse, Sean Dyche.

Jack Convery
241 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:52:35
Why they don't go and get Pereyra on a free beats me. RM /CM/ AM/ RW he can play them all. Stats for last season, when he was Captain of Udinese were good goals and assists.

I know he's 32 but a 12-month contract with the option for another 12 months is surely within our financial means. We were offering £25m plus for Gnonto or were we?

Dan Parker
242 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:53:00
I agree with you, Sean, but do we have anyone who can play there?

He's probably a better fit on the right than Doucouré, Gana or Onana.

Chris Corn
243 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:53:00
Ideal fixture. Arsenal at home. We've beat them there the last three seasons. No reason we can't again... The players we brought in improve our first team. Only Iwobi and Mina (never fit) were regular picks of those offloaded.

People can't whine about the likes of Maupay and Iwobi's qualities then complain when we offload them. Harrison, Calvert-Lewin, hopefully Gray to remain. Dobbin was also missing. Alli is going nowhere in the short term so get him involved when he is ready.

And to all the soothsayers who have written Alli off, I haven't. I'm rooting for him and my opinion won't change.

Garry Martin
244 Posted 02/09/2023 at 16:53:15
Based on the last 4 league games against mediocre sides, I have extracted some stats and used them to project the season's outcome. Not accurate, of course, however, it does give you a flavour of things to come.

GOALS SCORED (2 in 4 games)
equates to 0.5 goals per game x 38 games = 19

GOALS LOST (9 in 4 games)
equates to 2.25 per game
x 38 games = 85.5

85.5 less 19 = minus 66.5

POINTS GAINED (2 in 4 games)
equates to 0.5 goals per game
x 38 games = 19 points.

Absolutely terrible stats from our EFC, without doubt this is
our relegation season!

Kevin Prytherch
245 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:01:25
It's alright, Garry…

Judging by your sample size - ,Burnley will be bottom with 0 points and a -100 goal difference.

Luton will be 19th with 0 points and a -90 goal difference.

It will be out of us and Sheff Utd who should end up on around the same points. It's gonna be close…

Robert Williams
246 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:08:18
As they say in the gameshow:-

"Ashley Young, you are the weakest link!!"

Joe McMahon
247 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:08:34
Kevin @245, you could be right but please don't get too comfy.

Burnley have played 3 matches (as the Luton one didn't go ahead, and it was Man City, Villa & Spurs. As we know, Everton took 0 ponts from Fulham, Wolves and Villa.

I think we stand a chance of staying up if central midfield can be sorted along with cutting out defensive mistakes. Steve Stone & Ian Woan could play, I just don't understand it.

Sean @240, bang on!

Ben King
248 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:10:36
Kevin #245,

Brilliant extrapolation of some absolute dog-shite mathematical workings on an insignificant and unrepresentative sample size. Love it!

I'm as doom & gloom as the best of them but that was pure nonsense!

Iain Johnston
249 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:10:45
At the beginning of the 2021-22 season, we had 10 points and were sitting 4th, Arsenal had lost their opening 3 games, finally winning their 4th and where 16th.

It's a long, long season and for me far too early to start spouting stats.

Mark Taylor
250 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:16:53
Dan 239

I'm not a referee of any class so I would bow to your expertise here. But is that really how advantage works? It was the same phase of play, not a seperate one. A foul that lasted a second or so, started outside, finished inside.

Having looked up the law (appears to be Rule 12), it appears a penalty is given if the offence carries on inside the box. I can't now see a video that shows whether that was the case. It seemed to when I was watching. But in that case, it's surely also a red card?

Granted he had the goalie to beat but so did Gordon in the Newcastle game and I'm not convinced Sheffield Utd's defender could have realistically prevented a shot from well inside the area and reasonably central.

Jeff Armstrong
251 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:19:29
Basically, it's a penalty for everybody except Everton.
Dale Self
252 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:22:10
Figures never lie but liars will always figure.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
253 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:36:46
For those interested in the points in May arguement.

These 4 fixtures last season – Fulham, Villa, Wolves and Lees (19th = 2nd promoted) – we got 1 point, scored 4 and conceded 8

Just hope we beat Arsenal otherwise we will be down on last season.

Bill Watson
254 Posted 02/09/2023 at 17:45:48
Another game we should have won but at least we didn't lose,

Absolutely dreadful refereeing and how, on earth, did 6 added minutes become 8?

Once again, Pickford dug us out a point at the death… and what a class act Branthwaite is!

Andy Crooks
255 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:17:42
Garry @244. You've got the stats
What price will u give me on us not being relegated. If you offer me the same as Betfair I'll have a bet with you.
Andy Crooks
256 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:21:27
Meant to add, profits to charity!
Soren Moyer
257 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:26:36
I'm trying to be positive, but It's impossible!
Colin Glassar
258 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:28:12
In fairness to the lads, we should be on 9 points tonight. It’s only down to poor finishing that we aren’t in the top half and cruising.

After the international break I’m confident we’ll be mathematically safe by January, February at the latest.

Brian Williams
259 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:28:56
Gary#244. "not accurate of course." You shoulda stopped there. 😉

Mike Gaynes
260 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:33:20
Colin #258, is your unusual positivity a symptom of your uncontrollable joy at the departure of a certain player?

Am I safe in assuming that today has been a day of champagne consumption and happy toasts at your house?

I know the feeling. I did something resembling a Cherokee war dance at the news I won't have to see Holgate in our shirt this season.

Colin Glassar
261 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:39:22
Mike, I’ve been smiling like a Cheshire Cat since yesterday. A cloud has lifted and I’m dancing around like a 15 year old.

As for the player you referred to, what was his name again?

Mike Gaynes
262 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:43:25
Dan #239, no sir. The foul is assessed at the point of first contact. There is never "advantage" given regarding the location of a foul, just continuation of play. You carry on if advantage is given, and if the advantage doesn't prove out, the ref brings the play back to the spot of the foul. You can't move the foul to a more advantaged location.

And to address someone else's comment regarding a red card for denial of a goalscoring opportunity, it clearly wasn't -- there was a defender cutting across in front of Danjuma who was positioned to challenge. No red.

Mike Gaynes
263 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:54:21
Colin #261, absolutely right, gone and already forgotten.
Bill Gienapp
264 Posted 02/09/2023 at 18:56:54
There were certainly positives to be taken from that. After getting sucker punched right before halftime, the response was good - came out swinging, fashioned an equalizer in relatively short order and largely controlled the second half, with Blades not really getting a sniff until that bizarre final set piece.

Beto didn't get much direct service, but definitely looks the business. I think when our attack is fully up-and-running, we'll score goals.

I am a bit worried about the defense, which is usually what ultimately sinks clubs. Leeds and Leicester had a ton of attacking talent last season, but they were done in by their porous rearguards. Was pleased to see Patterson produce such a fine assist though - should help with his confidence.

Pete Neilson
265 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:02:47
FA Law 12 “If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.”

This is exactly what happened and a penalty should have been awarded.

The ref showed his quality early on in his booking of Branthwaite inside the first ten minutes for a legitimate tackle. He also didn’t penalise the Sheffield keeper for clearly (from my position in the away end) handling outside his area. He even made a thumbs up to him.

Good on Branthwaite for not letting the early yellow impact his game. Looking better up front but our midfield is far too easy to play through. Patterson and Young are the weak points at the back. Thanks to Jordan for saving a point.

John Raftery
266 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:03:10
I thought it was a hard fought, entertaining match which could have gone either way.

Patterson, despite his mistake for the second United goal, had his best game for the club and recorded his first assist.

Onana had a very good game on the whole, showing a willingness to get on the ball and linking well with Danjuma and Beto.

Branthwaite was calm, assured and the mainstay of the defence.

Beto was the player who made the most difference. His pace, strength and swift use of the ball enabled us quickly to move upfield. Not only does he hold the ball up, he also has the happy knack of stealing possession in tight situations. Very promising.

David Hallwood
267 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:07:48
Gary(#244) You may have the stats but I have the eyes; BTW not saying my football knowledge is any better than yours or anyone else. But there are some truly terrible teams out there, including us BTW, even though it's too early to talk about the dreaded R word, I would say at least 10 teams are in with a shout.
Ian Edwards
268 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:10:00
In my view the initial contact was on the edge of the area and should have been a pen. I do not accept there was any contact outside the box
Oliver Molloy
269 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:14:32
Only another 35 points or so to hopefully guarantee survival once again, although how the fuck we get them is another matter.
Sheffield United are probably worse than us, so if we can't beat them!
Another example of Everton not taking the opportunity to take all three points.
The only chance we have is keeping players fit with Beto and Calvert Lewin starting upfront.
We know that bang average teams will score against us, even though we have a manager who can set us up properly!
Letting Iwobi leave without a replacement is a mistake, but was obviously done for finance reasons.
I think we may get better but it will depend on being able to field our best eleven every time.
Just can not agree with those who think all will be fine.

Jeff Armstrong
270 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:22:13
Ian whether you accept it or not (irrelevant) there was indeed contact outside the box, have you actually watched it?
Ian Edwards
271 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:24:51
Yes Jeff. The contact was on the line and inside. It should have been a penalty.
Barry Hesketh
272 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:31:26
Watching it on one of those dodgy links, I initially thought the referee had given a penalty, then I thought that the VAR was checking to see if it was a foul at all, and then checking to see if it was inside or outside the area. The commentary was of no use to me as it was in French, similar to the language I used, when I realised it wasn't a penalty.
Mick Davies
273 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:45:09
Jack, Gnonto was another Kenwright smokescreen. We see it every window, and I even commented that he wouldn't be coming to us last week
Denis Richardson
274 Posted 02/09/2023 at 19:45:17
Disappointed we didn’t win obviously but so will they at the end.

It was an ok performance and we’ll get better. I’m never down after getting something on the road. We need to massively improve results at home to get up the table.

There’ll no doubt be some odd results like last season (Arsenal at home, BHA away) so trying to predict the table now is a waste of time. Let’s get the injured fit and take it one game at a time.

One thing I will say though is Dyche needs to get half the team on crossing practice! If we want to get the best out of Beto and DCL we need to cross much better. Far too many under hit or over hit when we had men in the box today.

I’ll take the point and no injuries. Reload for Arsenal in two weeks time.

Paul Ferry
276 Posted 02/09/2023 at 20:20:00
Jonathan Tasker 106 13:36:03: "May 2025. We will have been relegated to league one. And Kenwright will still be there".

You disappoint me Jonathan, you left out no new stadium.

Raymond Fox
277 Posted 02/09/2023 at 20:32:42
A point away from home against anyone is a decent result.
I thought we did ok, Danjuma and Beto look two good additions, they both carry a threat.
If we had them for the first 3 games we would not be on 1 point.
My concern is on the squad depth, we need to get lucky with injuries, if we can I think we will be fine.
Rob Hooton
278 Posted 02/09/2023 at 20:40:01
The game was more entertaining than I expected, and I thought we generally put in a good away performance. Once again, we created enough to win it so there’s plenty of hope for the long season ahead.

Beto and Danjuma were both very bright spots, considering that was Beto’s PL debut and he’s only been here 5 minutes he really looks like a great acquisition.

We need to stop teams from getting easy balls into our box, we’ve conceded most of our goals and chances from crosses that could have been cut out - I might send Mr Dyche an email! Are there any stats on ‘crosses conceded’? It seems to be a major flaw that needs stamping out.

Goals and a point, could have been plenty worse. Branthwaite had a fab game despite the early card, looks the real deal (touch wood).

Jason Li
279 Posted 02/09/2023 at 20:43:17
2 goals per game in last 2 games.

Keep getting 1 or 2 goals per game and this squad will be mid-table. When all fit, there's plenty of goalscorers in the first 11 and on the bench to bring on. Probability of not getting a goal a game is really low.

As the team's moved from creating chances to putting them away, if the team can get to letting in an average of one goal a game, then things look a lot better. Get the goal difference probabilities right first per game - so on a repeatable basis, and then work on beautiful football.

Let's hope we see more improvement in the next few PL games.

Chris Corn
280 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:00:31
Kenwright has been in hospital apparently. Thelwell now has full responsibility for transfers. You need to let it go.
John McFarlane Snr
281 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:04:36
Hi John [266] I thought that I had, watched the wrong game until I read your post, the general views of earlier posters were of the opinion that Everton were [crap] or words to that effect.
It's my opinion that both sides had put on an eye pleasing performance, and for any neutral fan it would be enjoyable. Some fans demand perfection, I was as disappointed as anyone, and if I had to use the phrase 'Crap', it would be if I had to watch kick and rush football. I get the impression that for some, if Everton don't win they are obviously [Crap]
Sam Hoare
282 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:13:56
A point away from home is always decent, especially coming from behind.

We finally have some goals in the team. Just a shame we look so leaky at the back! But we have been a bit unlucky (2nd goal today was a freak). Harrison, Coleman, DCL, McNeill, Dobbin and Alli(?!) back after international break will help.

In Branthwaite, Onana and Beto we might just have our best spine in 5 or so years.

Dale Self
283 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:13:57
Now that I have recovered from PMSD I think I can put a few sentences together to sum it up. Some good sentences about decent players digging in and finding a way shit ref and bad luck be damned. We have seen Everton players fold like lawn chairs after some events in this match. Today they pulled it together and got on with it like it was their revenge.

Noticing the problems with Chelsea and Newcastle has me wondering if we have covered the most crucial aspect of a rebuild. We now have a core of players who will play for each other and through team mistakes. McNeil coming in late just made it more noticeable. They continually raised their game throughout the match and were hitting the feet of their intended targets maintaining possession late.

Danjuma should have scored or set up two more and I would say Blades’ luck balanced out given their goals. Branthwaite was at fault for not staying tight on McBurnie on the first, otherwise great performance away for him. Beto looks like he will not tolerate pouting time away in a game. I truly believe we shipped out much of our mentality troubles. This side will come together and rock ass like the song.

Royston Flaherty
284 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:33:09
Well, I'm pleased we have finally gained a point this season, and delighted we have ‘lost' Holgate, Maupay and Iwobi.

It says a great deal that someone as awful as Iwobi (with his multitudes of random shite contributions followed by an equally random ‘creative pass') have led to an opinion that he was an influential and creative player. Just awful. Seriously, good riddance – and we got money for him. Blimey.

Many of our existing squad are equally piss-poor, and it will take seasons to remove the embedded shite, and prevent their influence over our onfield affairs.

Beto looks strong, Danjuma has decent potential, and a few other players seem to be stepping up to the mark, but the team generally appears to lack strategy, focus and effort. I believe that should be the focus of the manager, and sadly I think that Dyche is very poor and badly equipped for our club.

This is not based on the four matches of this season, but his career over recent times. He is not a winner and, with Burnley, won only 4 matches in his last season and 10 in the one before that.

He is stubborn and inflexible, and the idea that we want to scrape by season after season is unforgivable. After seeing the start to our season, I worry that he does not have the strategic acumen to really improve anything or ensure our players are held to account.

Oh, and Pickford. I agree with the sentiments of many on here. He produces staggering saves and ‘keeps us in the match' at times, but sadly I think he costs us just as many goals with a lack of judgement and unerring ability to glide like a swan through the air and completely miss the ball, or position himself dreadfully. Several top clubs swapped goalies in the last few weeks and not one came in for Pickford because he just isn't reliable enough.

We are sadly in a position where sometimes we look at a couple of our players and express views that they are brilliant just because they're a bit better than the other dross around them. Just because they're occasionally rolled in glitter doesn't mean they shouldn't be flushed away.

Len Hawkins
285 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:33:41
Well, I came on with the feeling that improvement was there but, apart from 6 or 7 posts out of 252, I obviously strayed on to a site where advice on how to commit suicide was being discussed.

I have been banging on about our past inability to find a team mate but today I thought there were long balls, cross-field balls finding blue shirts… But apparently not — I must have been seeing things according to the bile being passed out to players who came from behind to get a draw. I always thought it was "get two up then capitulate and lose 3-2". But then what do I know?

Perhaps there is a pharmacist on here who can recommend a chill pill to be given out at the turnstiles? Thank Christ I've got a beard or I might be looking for razor blades after reading 240+ posts most of which got me thinking perhaps it wasn't the Everton game I watched.

Tony Everan
286 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:39:53
An observation about Branthwaite: he got booked early on (got some of the ball) but probably fairly booked for diving in.

However, it showed some maturity that the booking didn't affect his game. Remained in control and strong in his play, I never felt once that he was going to lose focus and get sent off.

Matthew Pritchard
287 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:45:07
Royston Flaherty @284.

Bang on with everything you've said there.

Colin Glassar
288 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:49:44
Tony, the lad was superb all game.

I must give a shout-out for Patterson as well. He had a 45-minute nightmare against Doncaster and today he started shakily. But, as the game went on, he started to show his potential.

We have to be patient with these kids. Tarkowski and Coleman need to take them under their wings and coax them along.

Matthew Pritchard
289 Posted 02/09/2023 at 21:53:12
All this banging on about improving and "we're getting there" … well, when the fuck is this going to come to any fruition???

As usual, playing catch up after 1 point from a possible 12 after 4 games, 3 of which would surely be classed as winnable. First few fixtures could hardly been any kinder and yet here we are once again staring a relegation battle in the face.

Absolute disgrace what we're putting up with here — beyond a joke.

Barry Hesketh
290 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:05:23
It's all about opinions: some view a point away as a good result, some see it as an opportunity lost, where we had a chance to put one over a team who we may be fighting tooth-and-nail with, throughout the season, to avoid the dreaded drop. Many folks have different ways of expressing their views, there isn't a right or wrong way.

My take is that, whilst the performance was markedly improved after the midweek game, it still wasn't a hungry enough or ruthless enough performance to take all the points and the fact that we 'nearly' lost what turned out to be a hard-won point right at the end is worrisome.

Applauding the fact that professional footballers were able to find each other with their passes, most of the time, is strange for me, as that's what they are paid to do. We can't demand victories from any Everton side, but we can bemoan the fact that we're not blessed with a team that can so easily spurn opportunities to win games that are there for the winning.

More difficult encounters await us in the future, and perhaps the team will rise to the occasion and win a few against sides that are superior to our team but, at the moment, it might be more important to win when we look to be the superior team on the day.

Nick Page
291 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:06:52
Post #280,

“Kenwright has been in hospital apparently.”

What an absolute load of bollocks. You obviously missed the Telegraph article last week about Bill working tirelessly.

The lying bastard has ruined Everton and everyone – everyone on here or wherever – has the right to criticise. Regardless. If you don't like it, tough shit.

Chris Corn
292 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:17:31
Nick... get a life. Spend some time with your family and friends.

Thelwell runs transfers. I'm satisfied with what I've been told and the source. If you don't like it..tough shit...😆

Moshiri and Usmanov have killed Everton. Admittedly enabled by Kenwright.

Bill Gienapp
293 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:24:00
Mike (260) - you'll be amused to hear that a Southampton fan tweeted:

"This may be reactionary, but I'm pretty sure I never want to see Holgate start in a Saints shirt ever again."

Sounds like the loan is off to a good start.

Mike Price
294 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:24:01
Royston #284,

Bang on the money, could not agree more. 👍

Mark Taylor
295 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:25:18
Mike 262,

I think you are correct that advantage does not apply here but not that a foul's punishment is based only on where it started. In the case of a penalty, a foul that starts to be committed outside the box, but continues inside it, is a penalty. Law 12 in the FA handbook. Our ref friend motivated me to look up the exact rule. That doesn't apply if the foul is completed outside the box, but the fall is inside.

I haven't had a chance to review it again, but my recollection is that the shirt tugging continued inside the box, even if only on the line. If so, penalty.

I'd also have to re-look at it to see if you are right about a covering defender that saved the red card. Again, my recollection is that the one there was behind the ball, but not close to it, over towards the penalty spot. Danjuma would have had a clear shot from a not especially narrow angle, was not running away from goal, nor was there much doubt he would have been in control of the ball, without the foul. At least that is what I recall seeing when I watched it.

Tony Everan
296 Posted 02/09/2023 at 22:51:18
Mark I think it was a penalty, the ref today clearly didn't know the current rules (amended wording this season?) and made a massive mistake. And would you believe it — the VAR mustn't have known the rules either!

The rule wording as amended reads “If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.”

Apology to follow?

Rob Hooton
297 Posted 02/09/2023 at 23:09:18
I didn't know about the rule about the foul continuing inside the box. In the past, it always seems that the ref pulls it back to the initial foul outside the box in such instances?

I still think the ref had a shocker, repainting the line for the wall where the players had crept forward to was insane!

Ernie Baywood
298 Posted 02/09/2023 at 23:31:49
Rob, that was the version I grew up with but it seems to have changed a while back.

It's a bit of a weird case in that the 'continuation principle' seems to be more in the case of a shirt pull continuing into the box. In the 'olden days' that would be a free kick but is now a penalty.

This one wasn't really a shirt pull. It was an outright foul... He dragged him down in one movement and it happened just outside the box.

I probably haven't worded that perfectly. As an analogy it might be similar to a slide tackle outside the box where the contact between players continues into the box due to the defender continuing to slide and the attacker continuing to fall/ride the challenge.

But the hand is still in contact when Danjuma is crossing into the penalty area.

It's possibly a grey area... but the VAR had it sorted in a matter of seconds, which made it feel a bit automatic. Everton = No penalty.

Jim Wilson
299 Posted 02/09/2023 at 23:59:40
4 games played and very bad decisions given against us in every single one of those games. If we played in red or our name was Man City, we would have 3 to 7 points right now.

We have had goals and penalties taken off us, ridiculous yellow and red cards given against us, suffered loads of petty decisions over the last few seasons which have affected us badly.

When is our club going to speak out or do you need to be one of the big spending clubs who can do whatever they like to be able to do so? First thing I worry about every game is who the match officials are.

The situation is beyond ridiculous. Yes, our club has been badly run but I firmly believe the Premier League have helped to push us in a downward direction.

Neil Tyrrell
300 Posted 02/09/2023 at 23:59:45
We were up 0-1 and then down 2-1, did we drop points from a winning position or gain points from a losing position? Or both?

We scored 2(!!!) goals and managed not to lose today, and nobody got injured. Never much to celebrate as a Blue so I'll take any excuse to get pissed. Cheers all! 🍻

Mark Taylor
301 Posted 03/09/2023 at 01:17:39
Tony 296,

Yes, that is the wording as I understand it. I still haven't seen a replay and close up of what happened but if he was still pulling/holing on the line or inside, yes it's a pen and we've been robbed.

I have now seen a more long lens view of the incident and the covering defender was closer than I thought so a red card is moot, but I still think Danjuma would have got his shot away and that is a goal-scoring opportunity.

I don't think it possible for the defender to have blocked unless Danjuma paused, and the rules do not assume he would. Marginal, though.

Mike Gaynes
302 Posted 03/09/2023 at 02:00:04
Mark #295 and Tony #296, yes, you're absolutely right about Law 12, but it addresses "holding", and the thing is, there was no shirt tug here. It was a pull on the shoulder, which isn't considered holding as I understand it.

Must admit, however, that I'm not as familiar with FA laws as FIFA, and I know they differ a bit in how referees are expected to make calls.

Still, my impression at the time was that it was not a penalty or a red card, and the replay seemed to confirm it.

And Mark, the red card rule is quite clear -- there has to be nobody closer to the goal than the attacker when the foul is committed, no chance of any defender interceding. Yes, Danjuma would have had a good chance of getting off a sharp-angle shot from his first touch, but that's not a "clear goal-scoring opportunity" according to the rule. He wasn't in alone.

Joe Digney
303 Posted 03/09/2023 at 02:47:24
Much better second half, if only we could start games with that pace and intensity. Been that way for years with Everton, takes us to go a goal down to kick us into gear.

Looks like we have a real player on our hands in Beto, Sheffield Utd's centre-backs are on the bigger side and they were still bouncing off him, good luck to the smaller framed centre-halves in the league.

Good to see Danjuma score again; he's slowly showing us what he's about and could be a real danger man for us this season.

Onana was MotM for me, he was sharp on the ball, got forward, but also helped defensively – just needs to maintain that level consistently now.

Now a 2-week break to try get everyone back fit and a full squad to chose from (Gray included).


Joe Digney
304 Posted 03/09/2023 at 02:48:34
ps: Another gobshite of a referee. how was that handball from Beto's effort not even contested or looked at by the VAR??...
Joe Digney
305 Posted 03/09/2023 at 02:52:18
Oh and one last thing:

I had a good chuckle last night before bed reading all the Southampton supporters on Twitter fuming and begging us to take Holgate back after his first performance...

Sorry, lads, he's your problem now.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
307 Posted 03/09/2023 at 03:45:47
Mike 302 and others, I did not see the match, so I have little concrete to add regarding the actual play.

But to clarify the DOGSO rule (denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity), there is nothing that says it cannot be a red card offense if a defender is closer to goal.

What it does is ask the referee to make both subjective and objective decisions based on 4 criteria, including the number of defenders present and their location, the distance to goal from where the offense took place, the direction of play, and the ability of the player who is fouled to retain possession of the ball.

The problem here is that there's no hard-and-fast rule that says all 4 factors need to be present for a red card, and even if there were, some of those criteria we referees are considering are subjective.

It sounds to me like this play we're talking about at least had enough ambiguity regarding the position of defenders and the direction of play to mean that the VAR could not determine it was a clear and obvious error — but also that the referee could have determined Danjuma was close enough to goal, with enough control, and would've had time to take a clear shot on goal that could've gone in that he could've gone red in the first place.

Point being that, just like most red card decisions, there is ambiguity sometimes. But to the original point, just because a defender is 12 yards from goal and the player 18 yards doesn't mean it can't be DOGSO red if the attacker would've had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity were it not for the foul.

Other unrelated comment: Glad we got a point, that McNeil is back, that Danjuma and Beto appear to be doing positive offensive things, and that Branthwaite is cementing his place. We may generally be shit, but those things mean we might again be less shit than 3 other teams. Ah to be an Evertonian!

Steve Brown
308 Posted 03/09/2023 at 03:51:42
Colin @ 288,

I thought Patterson was as poor yesterday as he has been all season. His cross for the goal was the only positive contribution he has made in 5 matches.

Patterson and Mykolenko remind me of some of the most memorable full-backs of the past — Earl Barrett, John O'Kane, Terry Phelan, David Burrows.

Who sanctioned the £31 million we paid for them has almost become as big a mystery as the location of the Arteta money.

Mike Gaynes
310 Posted 03/09/2023 at 04:13:16
Steve #308, Patterson is 21 and has played 21 Premier League games… 34 senior games in his entire career.

It is way too early to be giving up on him. I see truckloads of talent there, and I remain convinced that, by the time he's played 100 games, he'll be a top-quality fullback.

Kieran Kinsella
311 Posted 03/09/2023 at 04:22:48
Mike Gaynes,

Love you, mate, but Patterson is shite. He's 21 not 15: can't tackle, pass, cross and has no concept of positioning. I'd sooner have Hibbert back fishing rod and all aged 40 plus.

Mike Gaynes
312 Posted 03/09/2023 at 04:42:32
Kieran, you have the benefit of Hindsight! 😆

Re our Nathan, after 1,900 minutes on the job? Yeah, he ain't good. Yet. But I'll stand on my assessment. By the end of this semester at the University of Coleman, he'll be making us proud.

Kieran Kinsella
313 Posted 03/09/2023 at 05:04:38

Nothing would make me happier but I’ll believe it when I see it.

Tony Abrahams
314 Posted 03/09/2023 at 05:06:36
I couldn’t understand Patterson’s position, in the lead up to Sheffield’s second goal, and think that it is very easy to exploit a defence that has got its fullbacks pushing inside as much as Everton’s currently do?

Christine Foster
315 Posted 03/09/2023 at 05:22:28
Tony, you hit the nail on the head. Patterson on one side and Young on the other, our weakness has been central defence so you would think that cutting off the supply from crosses would be the No 1 task of both full-backs.

But here is the problem: on one side we have Young who, despite his experience, cannot match a youngster's speed or reaction time, he gets left for dead on a one-v-one with a fast winger.

On the other side you have a young full-back with no cover in Garner, too often seen ambling back, playing wide is not his game and too often leaves Patterson exposed or with two players.

Stop the crosses.

Put Mykolenko back in place of Young, move Garner to the middle or as cover for Gana. Put McNeil where Garner was wide, in front of Patterson. (McNeil has a motor that never stops and is a great cover for Patterson.)

Danjuma on the other wide side, Calvert-Lewin and / or Beto in the middle.

You know it makes sense… lol!

Jerome Shields
317 Posted 03/09/2023 at 06:00:16
Tony and Christine.

I'm thinking the same. Dyche's defensive management is suspect: crosses not cut out, players out of position, players exposed, poor tracking back, and no accounting for lack of pace.

All the goals against are similar and are a result of these failings. It all gravitates to a deeper defensive line.

Tony Abrahams
318 Posted 03/09/2023 at 06:03:36
It definitely needs tweaking, Christine, and whenever I played full-back in a very similar system, the most important player on the pitch as far as I was concerned was whoever was playing in front of me.

I feel Patterson is getting exposed at both ends of the pitch because James Garner is simply not a wide player and I think it's the wide players who are going to become massively important once Dyche switches to a 4-4-2 in a lot of games.

I take it you are talking about Darren Hind, a man who I found wrote on these pages, exactly like a lot of people speak whilst watching Everton at Goodison Park, or as you say, Paul, wherever we happen to be playing.

The biggest compliment I could give Darren is he reminded me of the very defiant Evertonians that I used to remember as a child. People who helped make me fall in love with Everton FC.

Tony Abrahams
319 Posted 03/09/2023 at 06:17:59
The thing that holds the biggest gripe with me is that, on another day with different teams, that same referee will change his decision and give a penalty kick, and the VAR won't intervene either. 🤷‍♂️
Paul Ferry
320 Posted 03/09/2023 at 06:28:19
Great post Tony - 318.

Like you, I think Dyche will be thinking 4-4-2 more often from now on whether that's the obvious two or Danjuma playing forward in a superannuated 10.

That means, I hope, one of two things, preferably Garner moving inside by Gana or moving back to right-back with McNeil in front of him and two from Gana, Doucouré, and Onana in the middle.

Gana will be so much more back to his old self if he doesn't have to continually mop up after the Doucouré - Onana fest.

Two genuine wide players with two up front gives me real hope. Thanks for making me think of that, Tony. Left-back remains a real issue, however, and Tarkowski & Branthwaite have to stay together.

Dyche is still on a learning curve but he has impressed me over these last two games. He seems to be getting more flexible and creative, subs alone show that.

But for me it would be nice if he had a little humble pie in that boozer near Burnley (where him and Woan still go, I hear) and get Gray back on board and it would be nice if Gray behaved himself, knuckled down, and got on with his job like the people who provide the money for his fat wages.

No way are we going down.


Robert Tressell
321 Posted 03/09/2023 at 07:21:40
It should all come together naturally when Harrison and McNeil are both fit.

I don't think we'll see a classic 4-4-2 (with Beto and Calvert-Lewin up top together) apart from very late in games where we're desperate for a goal.

More likely variations on 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1. It'll come together when Harrison and McNeil are both fit, which isn't long now.

Mal van Schaick
323 Posted 03/09/2023 at 08:43:22
I enjoyed that game. Both teams were committed in quite an open game, and I suppose it was a fair result.

Pickford was unlucky on the post rebound goal, but brilliant on the double save, and I think that Patterson is still learning his trade, but I can’t fault his commitment.

Overall, I can see progress in our new recruits and the balance on the team, and as others say, we have players coming back. Now, let’s hope that we can put the dire seasons of the past to bed and improve our league position.

Dave Abrahams
324 Posted 03/09/2023 at 08:57:50
Royston (284), Obviously a Roy Vernon fan? A very good honest post in my opinion.

I'd like to know your opinion of Onana, to me he's very much the weakest point of the central midfield, just doesn't do half as much as he should be doing, standing by without any movement for lots of the time during the match, the potential he has got he hardly uses it and I'm sticking with that until I see any improvement- - - - big improvement!

Steve Brown
325 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:00:50
The issue with the back 4 is that Dyche has the full-backs tucking in tight when defending. It is a very narrow set up, which means the wide men or the midfielders are either side of Gana need to cover that space.

The tactical formation hasn’t functioned well, as Garner and Danjuma don’t know how to track back in that position and Onana/Doucs lack positional discpline.

When you add Patterson and Tarks losing track of runners into the box, then suddenly the defence looks a mess.

Ian Jones
326 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:03:54
Tony, 314. You mention Patterson's position for the second goal.

Not sure which part you are questioning ot perhaps his thought process so apologies if I am stating the obvious.

If my memory is correct, he got attracted to the player who made the assist so was out of position. Schoolboy error

Steve Brown
327 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:04:42
Kieran @ 311, the one thing I would say about Patterson and Myko is that they are consistent - there is no facet of being a modern full-back that they are not bad at.
Terry Farrell
328 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:12:38
Fantastic game and I was lucky enough to have a great seat on the halfway line. Patterson had a great game I thought but his crossing apart from the goal was poor. Braithwaite was brilliant again. Picko sensational. Beto is much better in the flesh than on youtube reel. Onana was very good but I wish he would drive forward more with the ball as this would cause more openings. Danjuma wasted too many good chances to go 2 up. Gana was great. Red card and a pen but as Lampard said cos we're everton! Finally Dyche use more subs! They put 5 on and hit us hard last 10.Beto was spent at 70mins. Young was too and they attacked down his side non stop!
Terry Farrell
329 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:13:30
Michael Kenrick
330 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:20:27
Royston @284,

Great post! I love this perfectly apposite paragraph:

We are sadly in a position where sometimes we look at a couple of our players and express views that they are brilliant just because they're a bit better than the other dross around them. Just because they're occasionally rolled in glitter doesn't mean they shouldn't be flushed away.

If we could distil that into a pithy four-word motto in dead Italian, I think we'd be onto something!

Laurie Hartley
331 Posted 03/09/2023 at 09:41:47
Well we have definitely got ourselves a proper centre forward now in Beto. Having said that I was similarly impressed by McBurnie.

Actually, I found the contests between both centre forwards and the opposing centre halves quite entertaining. Not one of them let themselves down in my opinion.

I agree with Mike G about Patterson - he has the makings of a top right back. I think Dyche should persist with him. The problem is who plays in front of him as Tony says because much as I like Garner he is not the answer. Perhaps Harrison will be.

As for Doucoure, he scored our last (and most important) goal last season and our first (much needed) goal of this season. He is not the most gifted footballer but in my opinion he makes up for it with his determination, persistence, and the amount of ground he covers over the course of a game.

I thought Onana had a good game yesterday. He is gifted but if he wants to reach his full potential he needs to take a leaf out of Doucoure’s book.

The much maligned Gueye had a good game yesterday also. So if it was up to me Garner is the one who will loose his spot when Harrison is fit unless Dyche is going to stick with one up top.

The centre halves pick themselves now - I would prefer Mykolenko over Young at left back. As with Patterson I think we have to persist with him because he is only young and has the potential to become a top Left back.

I took heart from this performance; every player looked committed and up for it so I can see the green shoots of an Everton team developing.

Brian Harrison
333 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:07:41
I will start with the positives Beto looks to me like a proper centre forward strong quick not afraid of the physical side of the game and I think he will score goals as well as make them. I thought Branthwaite despite being booked early was very solid throughout the game. I thought Gueye was our best midfield player by a country mile, as Garner is not suited to playing on the right of a four and Onana again just flatters to deceive time and time again. Our fullbacks cant defend and while Mykolenko isn't the best Ashley Young is a liability, and most sides have realised this and find time and space to cross from Youngs side of the pitch.
Still not sure about Danjuma scored a nice goal but if he hadnt been so selfish when we had a 4 against 2 soon after we scored we could have been 2 up.
My biggest concern is Sean Dyche the way he has treated Gray is appalling he takes his shirt number off him and gives it to a player we have got on loan. He was our 2nd highest goal scorer last year. Seems like he hasn't been training with the first team, why not. I remember many fans thinking the club behaved badly in taking away the locker of Niasse. Yes Gray was inconsistent and he obviously was up for the move to Fulham, but Iwobi was allowed to train and play even though by not signing a new contract it was obvious he wanted away. My other concern with Dyche is during his 7 years at Burnley they scored on average 36 goals per season, and we don't look like a side that will score many even with the addition of Beto and Harrison and Danjuma. We are playing 3 holding players and 1 attacking midfield player so no wonder we don't score many.
Tony Abrahams
334 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:08:56
Yes Patterson got sucked in towards the ball Ian, but his starting position was dreadful, because I thought he was badly over covering his central defenders.

A defensive calamity yet again, and collectively similar to the way we conceded against Fulham on the opening day maybe?

Maybe he would have been better making a little foul with hindsight, and Pickford was also all at sea, when that shot went in, adding to a host of collective positioning errors, imo.

99% of good defending comes from defending as a unit, and although it was a fast break, I couldn’t understand the position of Tarkowski, which gave Patterson no other real alternative but to get sucked in towards the ball?

I was watching the game whilst having more than a few pints, and I never had my glasses on either, so maybe my judgement was wrong

Kevin Molloy
335 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:29:11
When you think that Thelwell was effectively given no money this window it is a miracle that he managed to land Beto. If he hadn't we are absolutely relegated this year. No question whatsoever. But still, we are pared down to the absolute bare minimum. Look at our bench, we don't have one. So the first eleven are going to have to play to the absolute maximum in every game. Two of them are in their mid 30s and in midfield. And we can't afford injuries of any sort to the two central defenders, who if we get lucky will play every minute from now to January. We are aiming for fourth bottom, and if we manage it all credit to Dyche and the rest of the team. But yes I think we'll have to adjust our expectations of what sort of football is going to be served up. the team are weak and fighting with half a squad. Criminal negligence from the nitwit who refuses to spend any more money whilst he tries to negotiate his getaway.
Jim Wilson
336 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:30:12
Once Harrison is fit the team picks itself for me. My team is based on the Brighton 5-1 team:

Pickford Patterson Branthwaite Tarkowski Young
Harrison Garner Doucoure Gueye McNeil
Beto or DCL

Garner in the centre of midfield with Gueye is absolutely key for me. We were at our best at the end of last season when Garner was played there and everyones performances seemed to improve, especially Gueyes and Doucoures.

Garner is our best passer of the ball and is a must for centre mid. He is what we are missing in that position.

No coincidence by the the way that Pattersons form suffered because Iwobi was removed from the wide right position.

James Hughes
337 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:38:02
Dyche has done relatively well and he kept us up last season, just. There also seems to occasional outbreaks of football being played.

He has blotted his copybook with the decision to leave Gray, Keane and Dobbin offf the bench yesterday. His first change came bang on 70 minutes as usual. He is an upgrade on Lampard but then so would a few who post on here

Mike Connolly
339 Posted 03/09/2023 at 10:50:38
Patterson has been bad for a while. he had a few descent games when he arrived. He cant cross a ball which is vital now we have a big CF. I think we should replace him with Garner until Coleman comes back.
David Hallwood
340 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:00:01
Could Beto & DCL play together in a 442 or is 442 way past its sell by date, Discuss.
Pete Neilson
341 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:01:23
A clip with Dyche explaining his use of 442 and tweaks to it as well as the onus on full backs reading the game.
Brian Wilkinson
342 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:02:35
I think that puts the sell Pickford well and truely to bed.

Might not deal with crosses but by god his shot stopping is out of this world.

Geoff Lambert
343 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:07:46
Mike #33 who crossed the ball for our second goal? Agree with the rest though.
Ted Roberts
344 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:14:35
Like all the other posters,very disappointed in yet another below par performance, 1 point from a possible 12 is no cause for celebration and the FFP verdict to come in October that could see us having points deducted,just can’t find the energy to be optimistic any more
Danny O’Neill
345 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:23:53
We scored two goals and got a point.

Beto looks a handful. Good at holding the ball up and link play, as well as having a turn of pace on him. We have more forward options now, especially with McNeil back. We'll start picking up the points.

The midfield still concerns me, although I thought Onana had one of his better games yesterday.

I have to comment on the officials.

Shirt pulling has always grated me and seems to get ignored. I think in the build up to first goal, we could have had a shout for two penalties. And then Branthwaite almost had his shirt removed, let alone pulled later. Nothing.

And then foam-gate. Honestly. Rather than move the Sheffield United wall back to the original line the Ref himself had already marked, he makes a new line from where they were stood. You couldn't make it up.

A callout for young Jarrad. Great performance. His anticipation of the game is really good. Let's remember his age and be patient with him. What a prospect.

He'd have come a close to man of the match alongside Beto.

But that has to go to Pickford. A few great saves and then defied gravity and the laws of physics at the end, causing me to stop breathing momentarily. On a par with that Chelsea moment at Goodison.

Ian Jones
346 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:24:06
Pete, I've seen some of Dyche's insights on YouTube. He talks alot of sense, some might say a bit of a throwback, working against the more modern ways. If he gets time and players buy into his theory and stay fit, we should be ok.

Yesterday's game was a bit frantic at times but enjoyable. I tend to get bored by all this passing around for 20 minutes before attempting a shot such as way the Man City play. But if we ever start to play like that and win trophies then I'll get on board :)

Jim Wilson
347 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:31:29
Mike Connolly @339

That is one of our biggest questions.
Do we play Garner at right back (until Coleman is back) and deprive the midfield of our best passer?

My opinion is definitely not. Garner is a midfield player and we desperately need him in our midfield. Playing him at right back prevents the midfield to function at its best and in the long run will mess up Garners game. Something we have done to many players over the years.

Patterson is a right back and he will get better with games and when the midfield starts to function properly. So I would keep him in his position.

Keep the round pegs in the round holes!

Tom Bowers
348 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:36:28
We have some reason to feel a little more optimism now after the first three disappointing results and that awful first half at Doncaster.

Beto gives us that little extra in attack and coupled with Danjuma there is no reason why the goals shouldn't flow.

Harrison and MacNeill will only strengthen the options along with DCL and Chermitti.

Gray will be a decent benchwarmer as long as he is in the fold and the only problem will be sorting out the defensive problems.

Doucoure was marking empty space on that first goal and needs to be switched on when tracking back.

Jim Lloyd
349 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:42:50
Steve (327) Carrying on from yesterday, I think the transfer window just showed us that we're in dire straits financially. So getting new players in, for the number of positions we need new players, was impossible. It was a choice of getting our scoring (or lack of!!) addressed,. or other aspects of our team (squad) that need sorting out. The other areas have had to wait until we get our injured players back in the team.
Even then we've got the bare minimum of a squad, but at least we seem to now know where the opposition net is; and put the ball in it! So, it looks to me that we could only affford the bare minimum of players coming in and Thelwell has done a brilliant job in getting Beto, Harrison, Danjuma all on deferred payment or on loan. And all know where the net is.
He's also got rid of players that we don't need, or could make do without. The real weakness is/was, as you so rightly pointed out, midfield and defence. Why he bought Chermiti who may, or may not develop into a top goalscorer we'll have to wait and see. My guess is even what we bought him for is a staged payment and maybe deferred. I think he's thought that Seamus will do us until the end of the season, with Patterson covering for any injuries to him
Who he could get on loan or free agent, we can wait and see, but we're skint by the look of it. I'm glad we got men in who can score and attack the opposition, and it looks that we've got four men all goalscorers, two wingers a centre forward and Danzuma, who looks like he can cover a few positions. Midfield/defence? Weaknesses, for sure but I don't think we're in a position to do, other than play with what we've got. Then wait to see when/if Harrison, Coleman, CL, Mykolenko, Keane, are fit and who Dyche puts in, and where. Then there's Gray. I like him, as he can play in a few positions and score goals, but might not be in Dyche's plans or wants away. If he ends up staying, then I'd hope very much he's used. Dele and Gomes? well, they're on our books and both are skilfull players. Could we use them? my hope is that we could see dele make a full recovery and get his zest for football back. Might be a feint hope, but let's see. Gomes, I doubt we'll see him back.

The manager! There's talk that we should change the manager. I think it's daft to talk of sacking him as we are not likely to, for two reasons. One,he kept us up without any funds to bring in players, and now he's brought in some exciting forward, goalscoring players, Two we couldn't likely agree a deferred compensation to him and his staff payment. we'd have to pay him up front. Then pay another manager to come here and provide a team made up totally of another manager's choice and without any hope of bringing in players he wants. Three, is there a better manager out there, who is good enough to guarantee we'd stay up?

Paul Kelly
350 Posted 03/09/2023 at 11:55:27
It's hard enough watching us these days, but these referees are ruining it beyond a contest with ineptness/bias/useleness. Did I dream this one up or did the ref 'redraw' the foam 10 yrd line when their players moved forward/and refused to move back. He just sprayed again infront of the players, (this time 3 feet further forward) of the one he'd already marked out. Making the free kick harder to go up and over the wall and back down again.
Jack Convery
351 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:01:22
I still think we need to strengthen the back up GK position as Virginia has been on loan and never, as far as I know looked good enough for a team to offer money for him.

Sergio Asenjo is available on a free. Played over 250 games for Villareal and over 300 games in La Liga, so obviously no slouch. Age 34, a good age for a GK and won't mind being a back up. A 1 year deal, with option of another. Pickford needs competition. He calmed down a lot when Olsen was brought in and again when Begovic came in.

Mark Taylor
352 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:04:08
Mike 302

I think Jonathan (307) adequately explains the criteria for a red card for a denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. I would add two other points

1) As Jonathan says, it can be quite subjective. I can illustrate this by referring you to a red card given to Joe Worrall for a foul on Fernandes just on the edge of the box in the Man U Forest game last week. Should be easy to google. I am not convinced that represented a clearer goal scoring opportunity than Danjuma. See what you think. It really is subjective, either the goalie or the other defender may well have reached it first. What is for sure is that VAR won't overturn a decision on fine margins such as these.

2) It matters not at all what foul occurs in judging a red card. All it needs to be is for a foul which would have resulted in a free kick (direct or indirect). It is apparently different if the foul happens inside the penalty area. If the penalty is given, then the goal scoring opportunity is not denied, hence it is usually just a yellow (of course, with exceptions such as serious foul play)

I've finally has a chance to review the incident with a slow mo and my conclusion is 1) it was a pen, the foul continued to and just past the 18 yard line and 2) it was probably not a clear enough goal scoring opportunity so no red card- but then neither I think was Fernandes'.

Luck of the draw

Derek Thomas
353 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:10:46
Paul @ 350; No mate - he did exactly that, he missed the Sheffield player wanting to swap shirts with Branthwaithe that much he couldn't wait until full time, so he tried to have it off his back during a corner.

The only decision he got right was waving play on for our goal and that booking of Doucoure(?) for going shoulder to shoulder? The mind boggles.

Dave Williams
354 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:21:04
Jim Wilson,

I agree re Patterson. It will be much easier for him once he has a proper winger to play with.

Danny O’Neill
355 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:22:36
Jim, I agree on Garner. His best position is centre midfield. A number 6.

I agree on Patterson. I think he will come good. He's got a lot to learn but is young enough to do that.

I remember a lot of scepticism about a young Seamus Coleman and even Leighton Baines. Give the lad time.

I had an interesting debate with my son over one of their goals. His opinion was Patterson was at fault and got pulled out of position.

Mine was, yes. But that is because Doucoure was 10 yards behind the player he should have been tracking.

Maybe I'm getting a bit old school, but I was taught that if you smell danger and are closest to the ball, you have to go.

I was still waking up replaying that Pickford save, still thinking it had gone in.

We're off the mark and on our way.

Still can't believe the foam/wall incident. Ridiculous.

Frank Crewe
357 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:24:01
Seems to be some discussion regarding playing Beto and Calvert-Lewin in a 4-4-2.

I would think a better option would be Danjuma, Beto and Calvert-Lewin in a 4-3-3. Calvert-Lewin has played on the right side of the attack before so it's not as if he is unfamiliar with playing in that position.

Oddly our problem will be accommodating Beto, Calvert-Lewin, Danjuma, McNeil and Harrison into whatever formation Dyche settles on. We have gone from almost no options to quite a few.

As for yesterday's game, I thought we played okay. Beto has finally given us a real physical, not to mention pacey presence up front. He really worked their centre-backs.

Danjuma scored again. Branthwaite looked good and Onana had a decent game. Pickford performed his usual gravity defying miracles in goal.

Some fans really need to stop thinking we are playing a club's name rather than its players. We have no right to defeat clubs just because they don't have a big reputation behind them.

Any team of professional players will always be hard to beat. Look at Chelsea losing to Nottm Forest. All that money spent and they are only 3 points better off than we are. Big spending Newcastle thumped by Brighton. Only 2 points ahead of us.

There are still 34 games to go. Our next one is Arsenal at Goodison. We have beaten them at Goodison in the last two seasons when it seemed we had no chance at all. I think our side will be stronger than the ones put out for both those games so hopefully we can make it three times.

Mike Connolly
358 Posted 03/09/2023 at 12:39:04
Jim, I agree with you saying Garner CM – I'd put him there right away but, looking at the big picture, I think he could cover us at right back better than Patterson, just like he did against Bournemouth. I think Garner is wasted on the wing.
Andy Meighan
359 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:03:32
Sam @282.

I've got a lot of time for your posts and your knowledge of players across the globe. But when you mention the spine of the team, Branthwaite Onana and Beto, you're way off the mark about Onana.

Am I missing something about this lad? I thought he started great yesterday and then, as he often does, just went missing, popping up every now and then with a decent pass or a good tackle.

Doesn't get involved enough over the course of a game and I'm always waiting for him to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and boss things.

Where's the player who bossed the midfield in Dyche's first game? Coming out the ground that day, I thought "Yes, he's gonna be a player now, this kid!"

Unfortunately he's just reverted back to type.

I blame Thelwell for not having the foresight to address our lack of creativity in the midfield and Onana is as guilty as anyone in there.

Garner is no wide player but I'm yet to be convinced by him on the odd occasion he's played in the middle. I'd personally play him right-wing back because he looked great there.

No, Sam, for me, it's a No for Onana, but for Branthwaite and Beto, spot on. Get Beto up to speed and he's going to be a beast, Branthwaite looks coolness personified and I hope he's a rock for years to come.

Jim Wilson
361 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:08:07
I can absolutely see where you are coming from, Mike, and it is criminal we didn't bring someone in during the window.

The other solution is Mykolenko at left-back (if fit) and Young at right-back.

Rob Halligan
362 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:25:23
Jack, that is bang out of order, announcing that just two weeks away. People will have transport and hotels booked, all in line with the game being on the Saturday.

Why don't they just move the Newcastle game back to Saturday with a 3 pm kick off? Why do Sky have to dictate every bloody game teams play?

Neil Copeland
363 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:35:31
Rob 363,

They don't give a shit, all that matters is the money that both games bring in. Scandalous but says everything about modern football.

Different topic but did you notice that Sheffield Utd didn't read out our team before the game, didn't show any replays of our goals, and conveniently switched the scoreboard to advertising mode for around 5 mins after each of our goals.

I appreciate that clubs will do all they can to make the atmosphere hostile for the visitors but it just came across as very petty and silly to me.

Michael Boardman
364 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:43:56
Is Dyche looking for the sack pay-off?

Nobody resigns anymore

Jack Convery
365 Posted 03/09/2023 at 13:45:54
Rob - Tail wags dog comes to mind. Why choose these games in the 1st place, when they know this type of thing can happen, with CL teams. The EPL need to complain and point this out but they won't.

They could have chosen B'mouth V Chelsea for 17:30 Sat. ( No travel issues there ).

and for Sunday Spurs V Sheff United or god forbid Fulham V Luton. These are Prem Teams so what's the issue. Are they saying some EPL teams are not worth the bother ! I thought it was the best and most competitive league IN THE WORLD.

Michael Spear
366 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:02:25
For all those commenting on the “double white line” drawn by the, admittedly awful ref Madeley yesterday…

IFAB's Law 13 states: “Where three or more defending team players form a 'wall', all attacking team players must remain at least 1 m (1 yd) from the 'wall' until the ball is in play.”

That's what his second line spray was for!

Okay, he might not have pushed the wall back far enough to his first line, but he didn't draw the second line for their benefit, it was to stop our players standing on top of the wall.

Have another look at it…

Ian Styles
367 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:16:33
Rob Halligan @363,

You sound like a kopite: "people will have hotels and transport booked". I thought that was kopite behaviour?

Leave the tickets to us local scousers if you can't get to a game with 2 weeks notice. I can't get a ticket anymore and live within 2 miles of Goodison Park.

Royston Flaherty
368 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:17:41
Cheers Dave (324) and Michael (330).

Royston Vernon indeed :)

Onana is a funny one. He started well and seems occasionally to have something great about him, but he’s certainly close to invisible at times too.

Again, I’d sell him if someone felt he was worth £50m, as he’s just not stepping up and, as such, is expensive baggage.

I think we have had a few players in recent times who have played well (and put in effort) when it suited them - most often when other clubs appeared to be interested in the them.

I think Onana is probably one of those. He’s taking our money until something ‘better’ comes along - and plenty of money at that. He may well be invisible until he sees the move and tries to impress a bit.

Sadly, I think DCL falls very much into that category too (or did). He seemed to be playing to get away at one point - numbers like £60m were floated for him at one point (Man U?) - and he seemed to take his foot off the gas when that didn’t happen. I think he believes he’s ‘better’ than Everton and finds it easier to be in the treatment room than performing for us. The shame of it now is that we probably wouldn’t get £6m for him because he presents himself as being so damned fragile. If he were a horse they’d have shot him a few years ago and buried him with his handbag.

The danger in all of the above is, of course, that we sell players and the money is once again misused, either in buying players who are dreadful, or allowing the funds to slip back into ‘central’ funding. I’m afraid I do think the club has been very badly managed at a Directors and owners level. The more I look, the more I believe that Moshiri was something of a front for Usmanov, and is now well out of his depth. All previous (recent) Directors are culpable for our present position but, in my opinion, ‘poorly Bill’ appears more suited to explaining himself than the others.

Dale Self
369 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:25:59
I’m fucking sorry but in what retarded retrograde universe does Rob Halligan sound like a kopite?

We had the Rondon replacement howler recently. This tops that by a considerable margin.

Brian Williams
370 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:40:38
Ian #368.

I'm pretty sure Rob was thinking of "others" rather than himself.

Your post makes you look like what you accused Rob of, to be honest.

Do you think you should get preference over someone who lives 4 miles away, 10 miles away?

Colin Malone
371 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:54:46
Because we have slow defenders, It leave a big gap from the rest of the team. Therefore leave space for the opponents, ie, yesterday's game. OH for a Ratters, Des Walker, Joseph Yobo…

I thought Godfrey, was the man but, after his Covid illness, he couldn't keep up with me granny.

Stephen Vincent
372 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:54:59
Ian #368,

Get a membership then – like all other non-season-ticket owning Blues.

Paul Kelly
373 Posted 03/09/2023 at 15:55:05
Wow, Ian. I'll leave it with everyone else to pull you to pieces over that one.

I'll go one further than Brian and say Rob was 'definitely ' thinking of others when he made that comment, I've met him a few times a while back and he's a top bloke.

My guess is he'll be travelling there and back with his mates on the day of the game regardless.

Dave Abrahams
374 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:02:29
Royston (369), thanks for your reply.

I certainly think Onana should be doing a lot more than he is at the present, as for big clubs wanting him there doesn't seem to be any of them coming into buy him, he'll have to show a lot more than he has up to now.

As for Dominic I think it has been a case that he was rushed back too soon when Benitez was manager and he hasn't been properly fit over the last two seasons, hopefully he will come back after the break and stay in the team, with Beto allowing him a break now and again.

I thought that he would fetch a good price if he was sold two years ago, now he will have to prove himself all over again.

You are definitely correct about the club being badly run, the inmates running the asylum as they say.

Barry Hesketh
375 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:09:08
Given the number of occasions that Rob has posted about going by coach and what time he arrives back in the City of Liverpool, it can be taken he's a local fan, not that that matters of course. Plus he's written about bumping into Seamus whilst out walking his dog, so Rob must be local. Honestly, some people should put their brains into gear before making scandalous accusations.
Tony Everan
376 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:09:52

Calling Rob a kopite is a huge insult to a man who has blue blood running through his veins, a die-hard home and away supporter.

There must be better language to articulate your point, an apology is due.

Ian Edwards
377 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:13:51
I've banged on about this before but we will continue to concede goals until our central defensive midfielder stops getting ahead of the ball and attacking.

He needs to position himself in front of the Defence and stop attacks and midfield runners. Too often we concede and he's not even in the camera shot.

Dale Self
378 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:22:18
Gana's distribution was absolutely a disappointment. Unfortunately, we will have to experiment with defensive cover since we must push forward for goals.

Brent made the point that some of the possession will take pressure off an exhausted back line. Finding the way to cover transitions on turnovers without losing all defensive shape at the back is the focus right now.

Rob Halligan
379 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:22:48
Well, well, well… I don't know how to respond to #368, because how I would like to respond to some ¥#§~§¥ like him will no doubt get me banned from this site again. But enough posters have responded anyway, so I will leave it at that!!
Brent Stephens
380 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:25:11
"Calling Rob a kopite is a huge insult to a man who has blue blood running through his veins".

Tony, I bet you he has red blood – always suspected the b'ard of South Liverpool!

And I bet he now sinks my Bramley-Moore Dock pedalo.

You know I jest, Rob. I don't know a bigger blue (literally and metaphorically).

Dale Self
381 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:29:41
I thought it was blue until oxygenated.
John Raftery
382 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:34:30
‘Rob Halligan sounds like a Kopite'. That assertion is a champagne moment for those of us lucky enough to know him. Rob can dine out on that one for years.

Hi John (281), I think too often some fans attend games with a pre-ordained narrative that because player x has been poor in previous matches, he will inevitably be poor in his next game. Evidence to the contrary is ignored with every mistake, misplaced pass or shot seized upon as proof of ineptitude.

Patterson is an example from yesterday's match. I think he has generally been poor since he arrived at the club. Yesterday however I thought he started well, made a mistake for the second United goal but then knuckled down giving a solid performance with several driving runs, careful use of the ball and a very good cross for our equaliser.

I hope he maintains that level in the coming weeks. If he does he will be well worth his place in the team.

As regards formations, I think it is worth mentioning football is now a sixteen-man game. Bearing that in mind, once he has something like his full squad available, Dyche will be able to use 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 5-3-2 etc switching to different permutations within matches depending on the state of the game, the opposition and so on.

Brent Stephens
383 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:40:30
Too sharp for me, Dale #382! Shall we cut him open and see?
Dale Self
384 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:43:58
I will smartly stand by and let someone show me how that's done, thank you very much. ;)
Ian Edwards
385 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:50:23
The Kopite insult is one that is thrown around too frequently by those who are too immature to deal with someone having a different opinion to themselves. ToffeeWeb rules say it is a breach but seemingly not enforced.
Brian Williams
386 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:50:34
Rob #380.

You could always have used the very well known Rodney Marsh approach coz you can't get banned for just "thinking" something surely. 😉

For those who haven't heard it, Marsh once said to a ref "Hey ref, if I called you a cunt you'd send me off wouldn't you?"

The ref said, "Like a shot, yes."

Marsh said "But if I just thought it you couldn't do anything could you?"

Ref said "No I can't do anything about what you think."

So Marsh said "Well, in that case, I think you're a cunt" and trotted off. 🤣

Jamie Crowley
387 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:54:35
If I ever get over there I’m going drinking with Rob.

I will constantly bellow, “Another for my kopite friend!”


File that gem under ugoddabefuckinkiddinme!!!

Jamie Crowley
388 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:57:36
Brian that is hilarious!!!

I’m in a Dunkin Donut in St Augustine, FL. I just laughed out loud and got a few looks.

Rob Halligan
389 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:57:47
Trust me, Brian, I was thinking of many expletives to use to reply, but unless Michael or Lyndon have some supernatural powers that they can read minds from a great distance, then I think I'm pretty safe.

I also can only naturally assume that Mr Styles is new to TW!

Brian Williams
390 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:59:38
Hey Rob. As the saying goes "those that know need no explanation"................
Peter Mills
391 Posted 03/09/2023 at 17:01:12
Just back from a cracking couple of days in Sheffield.

I went to the game with my son and his two lads (Blues, of course) and two sons-in-law and another grandson who are Blades. Had a few pints before and after the game with various Sheffield Utd fans, all good people who have the same sort of affiliation to their Club that we have to ours.

It was quite emotional to be sitting with my family behind the same goal I was behind for my first visit to the ground with my Dad and brother in 1970. Alan Ball scored into that goal, unfortunately so did two Blades’ players to knock us out of the FA Cup. I told my youngest grandson that there was a cricket pitch on one side of the ground at that time, I’m not sure he believed me.

Yesterday, we were sitting amongst the home fans so, unfortunately, the boys had to go through that awful rite of passage of not looking displeased when the opposition score. It will be character-forming for them.

As to the match, it was enjoyable to watch, but I had a recurring thought that it resembled a Championship game. Plenty of effort, some skill, but a distinct lack of real class.

Beto looks a useful player, a big strong lad who put in plenty of effort. His left peg looks unlikely to score many screamers, but he’s definitely a presence. The long ball to him looks like a tactic that will be used, I hope it remains an option, not the default pass.

Branthwaite was very good again. A couple of Blades said they were impressed with Onana, but I think they were talking about the things he did, some of which were excellent. Unfortunately, there was a lot of time during the match when he was doing very little, I suspect opposing supporters miss that element of a player’s game.

We were opened up very, very easily for their goals, and we desperately lacked creativity in midfield. I can only hope that McNeil (who was lively when he came on) and Harrison (when fit) can provide that.

Neil Copeland
392 Posted 03/09/2023 at 17:07:16
Ian #368, wow… apart from anything else, have you seen the size of Rob?

So, you can't get a ticket? Then do what I had to do yesterday and pay £100 for one off a ticket agency. Madness? Absolutely but my point is I got a ticket…

Jamie Crowley
393 Posted 03/09/2023 at 17:08:57
Peter happy for you. Great day, good stuff. Cheers.
Keith Harrison
394 Posted 03/09/2023 at 17:25:06
Ian, 368.

This could well be your first time on here, but I – and obviously many others on here - feel that an apology to Rob Halligan is required here. I personally can confirm that:

1. Rob is a dyed-in-the-wool Blue Scouser.
2. He travels home and away.
3. He was captured in the crowd at Sheffield yesterday when we scored our second by the TV cameras.
4. He is fucking huge!

Shame on you, lad.

Nice to see Paul Kelly on here btw. If Rob Dolby is reading, what do you think of my mates lad Branthwaite now??

Mike Doyle
395 Posted 03/09/2023 at 17:58:52
If VAR reviewed the “Rob Halligan is a Kopite” assertion I wonder what the decision would be?
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
396 Posted 03/09/2023 at 18:01:49
Ian's post is, sadly, indicative of an attitude that persists among some locals where the distance you live from Goodison is inversely proportionate to the depth of your support. It's best ignored rather going into a nervous decline over.

Regarding its legality with respect to ToffeeWeb's posting guidelines, Ian escapes on a technicality (because it's a pet peeve of mine). Saying someone "sounds like a Kopite" or is exhibiting "Kopite behaviour" is not calling them a Kopite, per se; it's inferring they're acting like one.

Regardless, the righteous outrage just ends up consuming the thread so let's just move on.

Peter Mills
397 Posted 03/09/2023 at 18:14:26
Thank you Jamie#394, best wishes to you and yours.
Ian Styles
398 Posted 03/09/2023 at 18:35:01
Regarding @368, my point was nobody should be booking hotels to attend a Saturday afternoon football match when there are many who can just walk to the ground to buy a ticket if there was a fair ticketing sales system. We wouldn't have had that weird looking idiot coming from Somerset to tie himself to the goalpost, if we did.

Love watching the old Big Match Revisited on a Saturday morning when fans used to attend games wearing their school kecks or work overalls because that was all they had, hotels my arse.

Kieran Kinsella
401 Posted 03/09/2023 at 18:41:51

So we should just set aside all the tickets for locals who are too lazy, stupid or cheap to buy them ahead of time like everyone else?

If a fan moves away is he no longer entitled to support the club?

Mike Gaynes
405 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:01:39
Brian, no, he's reporting back to the treatment center after a weekend furlough.

Jamie, I'll be having a Guinness with Rob in a few weeks. We'll toast you. Maybe.

Barry Hesketh
406 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:02:30
Brian @405

Mr Styles point is moot because the percentage of locals attending Goodison Point is probably greater than at most clubs; however, there is a point on which he is correct, as not everybody has access to a bank account, or the credit rating to pay monthly for a season ticket.

I hope that, when the new stadium opens, some provision is made for people who want to purchase tickets on the day, be they local or not.

Will Mabon
408 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:11:43

it's heading to the point where biometrics will be required, if people accept it. Might even be some surprises in store at the new stadium.

Brian Williams
410 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:16:29
Barry #407.

Premier League rules stipulate there has to be a certain percentage of tickets available for "general" sale for any home game.

There will be an increased number on general sale at the new stadium purely because of the increased capacity, but the club will no doubt sell every season ticket they can – meaning the percentage available for open sale will remain the same, especially when you take into consideration the waiting list for season tickets.

Barry Hesketh
411 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:16:48
Will @409,

I agree, it's the 'brave new world' where we're all identified at whichever venue we happen to be attending, even a trip to the shops is now deemed a place to be filmed and identified, there is no hiding place.

At least if the worst happens to Everton, I can live out my remaining time, living off-grid in the woods or somewhere… mind you, there's a fair chance that some of the animal life will be fitted with cameras and recording gear too.

Barry Hesketh
412 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:18:40
Brian @411
I accept what you say, but how many of those tickets can be purchased with cash? Do you have to be a member to be able to buy them?
Brian Williams
413 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:22:19
Barry, very few, if any at all but hey that's the world we live in today unless you drink prematch in the Saddle where if you proffer a card to pay for your ale you get told to "fuck off."
Will Mabon
414 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:25:51
Barry, yes - those animals may even be robots!

Brave is not the best word for it, eh? It may yet turn a little but I don't hold out too much hope.

Brian, however it divides out, competition for tickets of all types is going to be fierce.

Brian Williams
415 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:27:54
Let's hope so Will because if it isn't we know what's happened.
Brian Williams
417 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:33:29
No need to nod at this Brian btw. I only make the perilous journey from the Wirral. 🥴
Paul Ferry
418 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:35:47
Getting through Birkenhead to get to the match is a bit like those warrior lads trying to get back to Coney Island from the Bronx,
Brian Williams
419 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:38:04
Haha. Wallasey tunnel mate. Only the sound of banjo's as you drive to it. 🤣
Keith Harrison
420 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:42:36

In my post 395, I did NOT type Rob was fucking huge, I typed 6 asterix's (not seven) then huge.

Someone has altered my post - for dramatic effect perhaps? - or have you got Ai operating here which assumed (correctly as it turns out) what I was inferring???

It's bloody worse than Alexa and Microsoft Bing if that's the case!!

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
422 Posted 03/09/2023 at 19:55:59
Keith, one of those most disingenuous things I think you can do online is use a swear word but then be all coy about it and change the spelling or use asterisks. What does that achieve exactly?

If you are bold enough to think of the word — then use it!

If you are frightened of offending somebody, then don't use it.

But let's not do the asterisks – it's just a poor cop-out.

And Keith, sorry but you did actually use seven asterisks.

Steven Sturm
429 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:16:45
Entertaining thread this one. Any chance those deer are in area 17 Nevada Dale? Still have my archery tag to fill.
Neil Copeland
431 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:19:14
Paul, I wouldn’t know how although I wish I did, could wreak havoc!
Don Alexander
432 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:19:40
Folks, can we just try to fully appreciate Jordan's absolutely astounding saves in the 98th minute?!!

In the 1970 World Cup England's second-best goalie, Gordon Banks, made "the save of the century" to deny Pele a headed goal;

McBurnie got a full run at the ball and made a textbook full-power header into the ground, such headers adding more uncertainty for the goalie, from nearer the goal than Pele was.

Not only did Jordan match Banksy but he then excelled further with no time at all to think, working off pure instinct.

He's a genius shot-stopper and an excellent goalie!

Neil Copeland
433 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:24:20
Don, it was difficult to see the actual saves at the game from the away end and it was only when I watched a video today did I realise just how good those 2 saves were. No wonder he was beaming! Nice also that the Sheff United players seemed to congratulate him at full-time.

World class, our Jordan, when he produces stuff like that.

Keith Harrison
435 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:38:12
Steve, 429, there's a woman on Swamp People who uses her bow to shoot gators. Use your tags up there my friend!!

Troy Landry would be sure pleased to see you.

Keith Harrison
436 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:44:32
Don, 432.

World class save. But yet again a Sheffield Utd player (Chris Basham) held Ashley Young's shirt to prevent him challenging McBurnie.

This was a constant theme throughout the match, never picked up by the ref, who re-drew a 10-meter line because they were standing in front of the original one, Jarrad had his shirt swopped at a corner, and both our bookings were perfect tackles.

The referee was an absolute joke, and I'm only surprised (or am I?) that MotD, Dyche etc did not go to town on it.

Keith Harrison
437 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:45:43
Metre, not meter. Not from Yew Ess!!!
Neil Copeland
438 Posted 03/09/2023 at 20:52:31
Keith, agreed, the ref was rubbish
Dale Self
439 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:03:10
Steven 429, no, Santa Cruz mountains is how the locals refer to it. And I know you’re a Toffee but I’d be on the deer’s side of that one.

And Keith 437, that really hurts man. ;)

Danny O’Neill
440 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:03:58
Don, Neil,

No matter how many times I watch it back, I still can't believe how Jordan pulled that off. It's still waking me up.

Peter Mills, great comments.

Ian, think before you post.

Rob is one of the biggest (not just physically) Evertonians I have met. Both in the pubs around County Road and on the concourses around the country. In the Spoons near the Blind Beggar with his mates and Brent before heading to West Ham. Two painful trips to Bournemouth. And we're going to Europe.

Rob lives in south Liverpool. If we're talking postcodes, my heritage is L24 and L19. Speke and Garston. I later lived in Woolton (L25). My journey to Goodison used to take an hour or so.

It never stopped me following Everton. Just as now living in west London doesn't. And a "home" match is nearly a 500-mile round trip. Now it takes me an entire day. I don't think that makes me a Kopite.

The West Country Blues and the southern based Evertonians who I meet regularly for away fixtures. Pure dedication to Everton.

If we want to expand this club, we need to expand the reach of the club.

Loyal and devoted supporters are what we are built on, but we should never dismiss those who put the miles in.

And those who get up at ridiculous hours around the globe to follow. They have equal devotion.

Meanwhile, I've got to change my train as they've changed the date.

Mike Gaynes is across from the States this month and I'm looking forward to meeting him.

Now there is devotion.

I'd be careful of criticising supporters who follow this club wherever and through whatever. And wherever they are and how they can.

Paul Ferry
441 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:04:14
He is Neil (433). My jaw just dropped when I saw those last-minute saves.

One of the first thoughts that flashed into my mind (sorry, I wasn't being petty at all, it just did) was of the people who constantly lambast and lampoon JP because, apparently, he costs us so many games and is not great at every single thing that a keeper is asked to do.

Can someone on here - preferably one of JP's expert sharpshooter critics - please name one keeper in the Premier League who is completely capable at all aspects of the keeper's portfolio? The Brazillian lads at City and over there are not. Nor is Pope. Ramsdale? Absolutely not!

Impossible, I know, but it would be really interesting to see the balance between points saved by JP and points lost by him. My hunch is that the saved column would be a lot larger than the other one.

JP will always attract criticism, character-assassination, and caricature because he is England's keeper. He is so for a reason (or reasons). Keepers always seems to get stick in large part I sometimes think because more than a few of them are mavericks (who else was throwing things at the tele when Martinez was being a fucking asshole (I typed that MK did not remove my asterisks!) in the World Cup?).

They are in the firing line in more ways than one. Some of them don't always help themselves and JP was like that sometimes but not now seemingly as he piles on the years and kids - I absolutely love that video of him and that little lad who idolised him and prefer to think that this is our JP.

We should count ourselves fortunate that JP is our keeper as long as we have him. The no one came in for him train of thought does not cut it, I'm afraid, as (1) you don't know that for sure (2) someone apparently did (3) perhaps JP is just very happy at Everton, actually, that was loud and clear for me after the final whistle yesterday, and (4) it's a somewhat thin and watery argument from a rough band of tobacco-spitting desperados.

Jordan Pickford is master enough of enough aspects of the keeper tick-box of must-haves to be a top keeper in the Premier League. But nit pick away by all means and ignore any part of the picture that does not fit in with your narrative if you wish to do so. Keep a little running note to be updated whenever he does something you don't approve of (it would be interesting to see such a thing) and lay it before us. But don't use that from that game and this from this game from time to time to try to stitch together a partial (in all senses of that word), blinkered, and incomplete picture of our keeper.

I know what I saw with my own eyes in what was it minute 98 yesterday ('better than fantastic', one pundit called it). Go and add that one to yer narky list yer nitpicking curmudgeons.

Keith Harrison
442 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:12:31
No offence ma man. I couldn't edit the post, (it appears that Michael is doing that for me now), so I was pointing out to the uninitiated that I'm not American, as the spelling suggested.

I'll mosey off and listen to some Skynyrd Lyve now, see y'all

Mark Taylor
443 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:29:44
On the Pickford thing, I've said before on here, he's a world class shot-stopper but the fact is, he doesn't command his own 6-yard box which means some of those amazing saves are negated by goals that should not happen, like the Wolves game.

The ledger almost certainly remains in his favour but the point about selling him was simply that a cheaper replacement might not therefore be all that much worse and would raise funds to strengthen areas that are currently very, very weak.

If we weren't so poverty-stricken, we would not need to think of such trade-offs...

Paul Ferry
444 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:40:25
Mark, one issue there might be that this "cheaper replacement" would possibly (probably?) be not as good as Pickford and almost certainly would not be strong in all dimensions of the keeper job-description.

So, what is the trade-off? We save money to get someone in between the sticks who is better at bossing his box but is not that good at stopping shots (or not as good as Pickford at any rate)? We'll be looking at the balance-sheet of points won and points lost all over again.

The keeper position is surely far too important to gamble with for a few million quid. Better the Devil you know, I say or in the time-honoured immortal phrase that I hate so much: be careful what you ask for.

Sean O’Hanlon
445 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:48:44
Mark,#443. Agree, Pickford does not like to challenge the high ball. Not dominant in the 6 yard box. I would not have him in the team. These saves will give him a few extra months of leeway.
I think we should be trying to recruit for the Championship, because that is where we are going.
Don't moan people, Face reality. We are well and truly f*cked. Don't kid yourselves.
Paul Birmingham
446 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:52:50
The GK, position is tough, and he’s gets the blame, more than most, but for me, collectively a good team communicates and has a cover plan.

Pickford should be speaking with his back four and Seamus or Tarks, or who ever is Captain, should be keeping the whole team in synch. Every minute of every game.

Easy spots so far.
No awareness on short corners or the pull back to the straight line kill zone in the box. And there’s more.

That’s a trait that is not acceptable for any Everton team.

But get the basics right, then the rest comes, like the driving test.

But it’s such basics that will cost Everton goals, at the lack of organisation and awareness, will mean, Everton lose cheap goals.

But we are not bottom, and are looking more of a capable team, than 12 months ago.

Made up with Beto, and Danjuma, looking like they play with full heart and fekkn care playing for the EFC, shirt.

Nb, regards Demari Gray, this is a similar trait to when, he left Leicester. Who knows, what’s been said or not said.

I don’t think Sean Dyche, is disrespectful, to any player, but every player in the squad must play and be in tune with the squad.

No one knows, but for sure, there’s no need for any bad eggs, now, as Everton look, to progress up the table.


Neil Copeland
447 Posted 03/09/2023 at 21:53:28
JP is the least of our issues unless, god forbid, he gets injured. Actually, my only gripe is that we do not have adequate cover for him.

The fact that he receives so much flak and ‘banter’ from opposing supporters is testimony to how good he is.

Paul Birmingham
448 Posted 03/09/2023 at 22:20:19
The defence starts in attack and the whole team, must be on it.

Jordan Pickford imho, has kept Everton, up over the last two seasons, based on his game changing saves.

These weren't fluke saves, but acclaimed by the world football media.

For me collectively, work ad team, and I'd say get a Captain who commands the respect of a squad and team. And leads on the park.

That will change over time, during to injury transfers etc.

The concept remains.

The team effort will win games, more than most.

But Everton, now have some good scope for good offensive football.

Loads of positives to take, it's early days this season, but it's looking far better YOY.


Mike Gaynes
449 Posted 03/09/2023 at 22:37:13
Pete #391, I love you even more after that post.

PF #441-4, could not agree more. Dominating in the air is a nice-to-have in your keeper. Stopping shots that nobody else could stop is a must-have. I'd rather have our keeper than any of the others who pull crosses down with one hand but let shots spin off them or squirm under into the back of the net.

Keith #420, it's just that Michael understands how you really talk! (So do the rest of us.) I'm looking forward to sharing obscenities with you over a Guinness this month.

Barry Hesketh
450 Posted 03/09/2023 at 22:46:54
Tom Collomosse For The Daily Mail wrote the following in his match report for yesterday's game at Bramall Lane.

Offer Paul Heckingbottom and Sean Dyche a guaranteed 17th-place finish in the Premier League right now and they would immediately snap your hand off. So too the Sheffield United and Everton directors keeping an eye on the accounts.

And who can blame them? To revive former Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon’s infamous remark from 2005, the reality of the Premier League today is that the winner will come from ‘a small group of one’.

Two or three clubs will fight to finish second to Manchester City, and three or four more will dream of finishing fourth. For everyone else, the priority is simply to stay above the line, stay within the limits of Financial Fair Play, bank the television money and try to do it all over again the following season. Anything else is a bonus.

For most of its members, the Premier League is a grim, thankless attempt to gather the handful of wins needed to avoid relegation. From time to time, they must ask themselves what is the point of it all.

Best League In The World? The competitive imbalance at the top level of English football will only become more pronounced and the division itself more predictable.

Everton used to be one of those clubs who wanted to break into the elite but on and off the pitch, they have performed so poorly for so long that they can no longer have such ambitions.

An example of how not to run a club, Everton are a warning to their rivals of where too many mistakes can leave you.

It's what many of us have been thinking for quite a while, but it seems strange to see it writ large in a national media outlet.

Sean O’Hanlon
451 Posted 03/09/2023 at 23:03:46
Our great teams have always emanated from great midfields. We know about Ball, Harvey & Kendall. Then later, with Sheedy, Peter Reid, Paul Bracewell etc.
What do we have now? A shower of absolute no marks! Fumbling, mis-passes, non-entities.
Without a solid midfield - we're going nowhere - Except down.
Barry Hesketh
452 Posted 03/09/2023 at 23:50:47
Sean @451
I think by now, most of us get it, you're unhappy with Everton Football Club, you've suggested that we all give up and find something else to do with our lives on another thread. Twice on this one, you've vented your displeasure with the club and that's fine.

However, what do you gain by repeatedly showing your displeasure, why? if you're so disenchanted with the sorry state of the club, would you even bother to come on an Everton fan site and complain so bitterly?

If you think we're wasting our time, what are you doing but wasting your own, as I don't believe, that you will convert many if any of us on here to your way of thinking, even if from time to time, we may have similar thoughts, but without needing to publicly air those thoughts.

Perhaps, you're just having a bad day and it's a way for you to comfort yourself, if it's anything more serious than that, I suggest you seek some counselling and find out what's really troubling you.

If it's just a rant that you will repeat over and over again, most of us will skip by your posts, without reading any of them.

Jim Wilson
453 Posted 03/09/2023 at 23:53:33
In light of the latest ridiculous decision given in favour of our neighbours and the fact that PL officials have cost Everton potentially 8 points so far is there anyone at Everton or the whole of the Premier League willing to speak out about this blatantly corrupt competition?

The Premier League are telling us we know you know we are corrupt but we are going to carry on right in front of your eyes because we know no one is willing to take us on.

I absolutely believe any protests should now be about the corrupt Premier League.

Or am I the only one who can see what is blatantly obvious!?

Christine Foster
454 Posted 03/09/2023 at 23:57:05
Barry 450# Its a sobering article, which confirms what most of us already know, that the Premier League is no longer fit for purpose. If its solely a one horse race then that horse needs to go somewhere else and play.
If we are all playing to survive, whats the point? Yes people point to Leicester, but its a one off.. people say its the worlds greatest league, where the best football is played, but for 90% of its supporters it isn't. We are left bemoaning our fall, the realisation that unless something radical happens, we are unlikely to challenge for a title anytime soon. The bunch of wannabies behind city cannot match their consistency or their playing staff. Realistically there are only a couple of teams that on a good day, would be able to challenge. But not season long, every season, that takes pots of money and the worlds best players.

In hindsight do we accept that and play on regardless? Should a Super league be formed outside of the Premiership with no teams participating in both?

What is the future for the premier league because if that article is right, which I believe it is, just what is the point?

Don Alexander
455 Posted 03/09/2023 at 00:04:42
And, given the huge outpourings we many engage in after every game, is it any surprise that those very same huge outpourings allow Dumb and Dumber, still in charge of OUR club as we worsen by the year, even more grace in avoiding personal accountability from what they promised us all in 2016?
Paul Kossoff
456 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:15:39
Barry 452. Give Sean a break. He has every right to bitch and moan about the utter shite we are left with to support As a fellow habitual moaner and complainer, I also reserve the right to have a go on this site. So Barry, please give us serious bitchers a pass and let us continue to have a go, we don't have much to cheer, about do we?
Barry Hesketh
457 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:19:09
Don @455

I'm of the mind that what has happened to our club in such a short space of time, should be subject to a Government Inquiry, but it won't happen. Paul the Esk and his mates released a new podcast this evening and his disdain for "777" was palpable.

It's one thing to be incompetent it's quite another to purposely mislead people in order to make wads of cash on the side, via creative accounting or other more hidden methods.

As Paul mentioned in the podcast, it's not just Everton FC that will be affected by Moshiri's decisions on from whom and from where he gets investment, it will have a serious affect on North Liverpool and the greater Merseyside region, if Moshiri sells to ne'er-do-well's the whole future of the region could be ruined as well as our beloved football club.

It's about time the FA and the Premier League had a good look at how clubs are financed, especially relating to the high interest loans they take out. For all we know, they might be borrowing from companies in which individual members have shares and thus those individuals are profiting by borrowing ever larger sums over longer terms. Something stinks and it ain't just the Kippers.

Barry Hesketh
458 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:21:22
Paul @ 456
I read your bitchy posts and they give me great pleasure, Sean, on the other hand got me seriously concerned about his health and well being. I'm not Mister Happy by any stretch of the imagination.
Nick Page
459 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:25:19
Barry, great posts mate!! I’d add more but my browser keeps refreshing on my iPhone. Weird.

One thing to add - let’s have a poll on who fucked Everton

1. Bill
2. Moshiri
3. Heysel (joke)

Mark Taylor
460 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:43:38
Paul 444

The trade off is as I describe, he is in theory one of our truly saleable assets, England goalie, and might fetch a tidy premium which could, again in theory, buy a keeper not too much worse- maybe not so many miracle saves but better on crosses- and the balance deployed on those areas we complain about. Given we are skint, you could argue needs must. But it's not worth it for 'a few million'. You'd want bids of £50m plus. The attraction would be the potentially large premium an England goalie might fetch, especially still quite young.

But no-one made a serious bid so it's hypothetical and I'm not that bothered, despite his obvious weakness in bossing his 6 yard box, he has other redeeming features. And yes goalie is important but so is everywhere else, not least our useless full backs.

Of course, the risk is we waste the money, as we've done time and time again...

Don Alexander
461 Posted 04/09/2023 at 00:58:19
Barry (#457), and when it comes to any podium for the future award of medals to those who never gave a shit about OUR club, OUR city or OUR future there'll be no competition at all to challenge the Kenwright devised trio including himself, Usmanov and Moshiri.
Jamie Crowley
462 Posted 04/09/2023 at 01:34:23
Mike @ 405 -

If you do, take a pic and send it to me. You have my email I believe?

Additionally do me a favor please. Buy Rob a Guinness for me and I'll Venmo you for the beer. I'd love to buy Rob a beer. Shoot me your Venmo via email if you think of it.

Cheers. Enjoy your trip!

Mike Gaynes
463 Posted 04/09/2023 at 01:47:23

I will.
I will.
I do.
I will.

No, it'll be my pleasure, and I'll tell him it's from a Republican and he can decide whether it tastes better or worse than the Democratic one I'll have already bought him. (I don't Venmo anyway.)

You'll owe me a beer at your backyard pub when I get there.

Thank you, I absolutely will.

Mike Gaynes
464 Posted 04/09/2023 at 01:51:14
Mark #460,

There's plenty of time to cash in on Pickford down the road if we choose (or need) to do so. Keepers peak around 31-32.

Laurie Hartley
465 Posted 04/09/2023 at 07:35:00
Christine # 454 - about the state of the premier league. Outside of perhaps Arsenal, Man Utd, and the RS I suspect the fans of most clubs no longer expect to beat City to the title.

The fans of Chelsea, Spurs, and maybe Newcastle possibly think they can knock one of the first three over for a spot in the top four or else finish in the top six.

The thing that strikes me is positions five and six could quite possibly be filled by teams outside of the second group of three - for example Brighton, Aston Villa, West Ham. A group that we used to occupy up until the end of the Moyes era.

That is where the fascination of the Premiership is for me these days coupled with the fact that unlike Arsene Wenger’s magnificent team not even City will go through a season unbeaten. The question is who will be the next team to beat them?

My hope for our immediate future is that we will claw our way back into what I will call the “second four”.

Now, before anyone has a pop at me for settling for mediocrity, let me say this. I cut my teeth watching Harry Catterick’s first lot of champions and I loved it when we were loaded. But we are not any more and I have come to accept that. But “Money can’t by me love” and I love Everton - still.

I have never felt so desperate as I did during Lampard’s reign because the team was playing with no heart. So when we hammered Brighton I was absolutely elated for a week. Then came the relief when we escaped the drop on the final day last season.

Like the vast majority of us I spent the last transfer window and the first three games fretting over the fact that we hadn’t bought a centre forward to replace or compliment DCL. The arrival of Beto has fixed that - he is the real thing in my opinion and I’ve seen a few Everton centre forwards over the past 60 years.

Suffice it to say I was absolutely chuffed with the effort the team put in against the Blades. It fanned the flickering flame in me back to life.

In the recent dark days of the past I am sorry to say I didn’t expect to get anything from any game against any team but now I do, so I am going to put that behind me and I am going to savour every draw and victory as we claw our way back up the table.

AND I live in hope that one day before I depart this life that I see us challenge for the title because “we don’t care what the RS, Daily Mail, the pundits or anyone else says” because we shall not be moved. Try as they may they can’t kill us.

Mick O'Malley
466 Posted 04/09/2023 at 09:04:19
I’ll definitely be skipping past Ian Style’s future posts, anyone who reads this site knows that Rob is a passionate blue who follows them everywhere
Brian Harrison
467 Posted 04/09/2023 at 09:25:18
I wonder if any of the local journalists will ask Dyche why we started with 2 keepers on the bench. I am sure there will have been an occasion were the 3rd keeper was needed but its such a rarity that you wonder why a young lad wasn't given the chance of the experience. Young Price left, Branthwaite given a choice would have stayed at PSV and we have just sold our best goal scoring youngster to Leicester. Seems we have no young full backs and brought in a 38 year old, I can only imagine what the young fullbacks at the club must think.
Mark Taylor
468 Posted 04/09/2023 at 09:32:13
Mike 464,

Although it is semantics, in the sense that no serious bid came in for him (as far as I'm aware) selling him later rather misses the point. We are skint in the here and now. We have no money other than what we raise. I think that is obvious. Hence it's a 'needs must' consideration.

Be clear I'm not strongly arguing for selling him. Maybe it's more a case of being open if a serious bid had come in, because we might get a better overall outcome from a good trade right now.

This may be wishful thinking but maybe with the new stadium (and new owners?), we might be in a better position 'down the road' to not have to trade our best players.

John Raftery
469 Posted 04/09/2023 at 10:13:18
The Premier League is certainly unbalanced financially but that is true of most top leagues in Western Europe. It is far from broken though.

Football in this country is in a better place than it was forty years ago when crowds of 13,000 were not uncommon at Goodison. Even in the 1985/86 season as reigning champions a fixture at home to Arsenal could only attract 28,000.

Now despite our lowly position and relatively poor prospects we play in front of full houses at every home match and have a season ticket waiting list.

Christine Foster
470 Posted 04/09/2023 at 11:06:40
Laurie, I get it, I really do. I love Everton with a passion, they are my earliest memories. But the way the league is not constructed, with only a select few being able to invest in quality players, the way ahead is to be best of the rest? FFP and the way its constructed PREVENTS clubs like Everton investing money in quality and that cannot be right. Look at the obscene money spent by Chelsea, Forest, et al, how can that be fair in anyone's book? Yet here we are with a net spend over Moshiris tenure of less than Chelsea in this window, yet we are about to get butt stuffed because they need an example to be made, fall guys..
No matter what the misdemeanor you can expect a hammer to crack a nut, yet others ?
Laurie, the football is more skilful, the games are full on, but the point is to win, at least it was, now it seems we are the bit players in someone else's game.
It's the structure that needs a level playing field.. otherwise the gap will take the enjoyment out of the game.
Rob Dolby
471 Posted 04/09/2023 at 12:01:09
It was an away point which is at least a start.

A bit more composure from Danjuma, Doucoure or Beto and we win the game.

The ref favoured them especially the pull back and our 2 yellow cards.

Our set ball delivery needs some serious work. Young should be off the free kicks.

Thought Patterson had a strong game even though his positional play needs a lot of work. Pleased he got an assist as up to now I didn't think he had it in his locker.

Not sure where the extra 3 mins of injury time came from. Pickford making the triple save gets us off the mark.

Gray has effectively ended his Everton career going public with his dispute with Dyche, shame really as the lad can win a game.

Not naming a full subs bench is probably Dyche's way of highlighting our struggles. Realistically that rule was brought in for the big clubs to keep players happy on the bench. So what we only had 5 subs and 2 goalies we aren't going to use them unless we get injuries.

Jack Convery
472 Posted 04/09/2023 at 12:07:23
Christine I always enjoy your contributions, Alas for me the enjoyment I used to get from the game of football and the 1st Division as it was once called, is now as bright as that tiny light that a TV screen once faded to, when you switched it off. Money, VAR, the downright cheating by officials, (who never have to account for their decisions ), the manipulation of Competitions to give those at the top more and more money - it all leaves me cold. This is not sour grapes believe me. When we had money under Sir John Moores it never lead to us being dominant the way City are now. The people who own the clubs and where their money comes from - including Usmanovs - leaves a real sour taste in the mouth. It's no longer the game I grew up loving. In fact it's a travesty of what the original 12 teams meant it to be.

Unless teams at the top are restricted from continually spending enough to keep them in line with P&S / FFP. A limit should be placed on teams that finish in the top 4, for the following 2 seasons, as to what they can spend. For example if City could only spend £70m a season for 2 seasons, disregarding any sales they make, they would be prevented from mopping up so called 2nd tier teams best players and forced to play more self developed players. The same rules, to apply to the teams finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

As for players wages don't get me started. £600,000 p/wk for Haaland - it's obscene.

Laurie Hartley
473 Posted 04/09/2023 at 12:38:16
Christine - you are right - as things stand from a financial perspective it isn’t fair - especially if getting into the top four is all that matters.

I think what has happened with me recently, is that our experience over the last 3 years has given me an insight into what it has been like for the “also rans”, the fans of other clubs involved in the premier league since it’s inception. They support their team through think and thin, and take delight in a victory or a hard earned draw.

It is fair to say that we are now bit players if finishing in the top four is all that matters. There is another way of looking at it though. The money they spend on players and the money they attract from around the world provides us “the other 16” with the football playground where when we compete it is fair. If you look at it like that perhaps they (the top four) are the bit players.

It is another matter however if the Premier league do try to make an example of us by imposing a points deduction. We will then have to do something about it. Perhaps an online petition followed by a delegation to Premier League HQ. I think a large percentage of the fans of the “other 16” clubs would happily sign sign the petition.

Anyway ramblings of an old git over. I know you love Everton - even more than me if you were willing to get up at 4:00am in the morning to watch us over the last two seasons!!

Dave Lynch
474 Posted 04/09/2023 at 13:11:54
Of course the prem is unfair.

It has been since Sky have bought the rights... more televised games means more revenue, same in Scotland, Rangers and Celtic televised every week means the rest don't get a look in financially.

The FA are spineless and powerless and they know it.
Big money owners now run the Premier League… the Super League will happen, believe me – the Saudis are planning it as we speak.

When it does happen, the FA will hold no sway whatsoever and will look to the rest of the clubs for support, then it's payback time.

Lee Robinson
475 Posted 04/09/2023 at 13:24:47
Lots of fingers being pointed in several directions regarding blame and the reason we are where we are. One man who seems to escape a lot of criticism is Brands.

When we had money to roll the dice, we recruited very very badly. This was a catastrophic failure which we are still recovering from now. Digne and Pickford are probably the only two I would say were great signings in terms of the quality we should be aiming for.

It's not just the fact that most of his signings ran out their contract and left for free, it's the fact that mostly there was no plan and lack of technical ability (Doucoure, Mykolenko, Godfrey).

People say he wasn't allowed to do his job but hang on a minute, wasn't he one of the highest paid DoF in the league? He didn't lay down a style, implement a manager, set up a team around him, have a shortlist of players to suit a style, allowed himself to be bullied by managers bringing their own players in. I would argue if he had a decent shortlist identified they wouldn't of had to.

I do think what Kevin Thelwell has done in his short term, has not only managed to sell well, but working to a budget the standard of player coming in is much better, and we seem to be scouting better technical players too. Long term, I think we will be okay.

Ian Horan
476 Posted 04/09/2023 at 13:57:21
Brands has given an interview since leaving alluding to the restrictions Moshiri insisting on using Kia Joorabchian, Moshiri's agent mate should be used, and Kenwright saying we are a family!! The old boys network needed to go.

Brands was insistent that all levels of teams academy should play to the same system. Which flew in the face of the teenage teams who all played different systems.

Brands stated until they played the same way Everton would have no identity, or ethos. This would make it easy to transition through the age groups to the 1st team.

Unsworth and Ferguson wanted to play their own 4-4-2 systems or similar. Brands knew he was on a hiding to nothing if the club didn't change. He also inferred him getting criticism for Benitez's appointment was the last straw!!!

Tony Abrahams
477 Posted 04/09/2023 at 16:37:28
John@469, I pine for those old days because I’m certain Bill Kenwright would have been booted out of Goodison Pk, very quickly, by a lot of very knowledgeable old school scousers, instead of becoming instrumental in our very slow demise. (I might be wrong?)

I’ve just been on holiday and couldn’t even be bothered staying up to watch Everton playing at 1am, and even walked past a pub with us playing on the television because my kids were getting tired at 10pm, and I’d just spent the first half watching us on a television that kept freezing, so full marks to anyone who gets up in the middle of the night to watch Everton play.

We all ended up going for a massage instead (they wouldn’t go without me, and my partner wouldn’t let me go on my own😂) and I got a lot more enjoyment and a much better sleep, because of the choice that I made!

I love Everton, always will, but I’m getting fed up with football in general and I’ve been fed up with our chairman for a very long time, and believe we can’t carry on with these current owners for much longer or they are going to end up totally destroying us. (Some might say they already have)

I was on an airplane yesterday and they had both the Liverpool and Arsenal games on live. I had the sound off but plugged my earphones in because I saw Peter Schmichelle debating with Dermot Gallagher, over Liverpool’s first goal.

I personally didn’t think there was anything wrong with the goal standing, (not everyone will agree with me) but please do us all a favour, and let the match officials explain, and not some ex-fucking-referee, because these people seem to be changing the rules every single week, and getting away with absolute murder in the process.

I suppose it would have been easier to say I agreed with everything Jack wrote@472

Dave Lynch
478 Posted 04/09/2023 at 17:05:45
Tony @447.

I feel exactly the same way mate, gone are the days I'd spring out of bed on match day.

These days, I can't be arsed, we play uninteresting dull football and have a manager who couldn't put an entertaining side out with an entertaining game plan if he had all the money in the world.

Tony Abrahams
479 Posted 04/09/2023 at 20:57:02
I don’t mind the football when we play with energy, and believe that we will get better as the season progresses Dave, but it’s definitely not easy times for the very long suffering Evertonians, right now mate.
Tom Bowers
480 Posted 05/09/2023 at 18:18:39
I think many detractors of Pickford when he firsts came and later on must now admit he is a top class keeper.

He produces the goods when necessary and although the cynics will say that's his job, he has saved Everton's bacon many times with incredible stops.

We would be in the Championship right now if not for his wonderful last minute save against Bournemouth and that triple save against the Blades is beyond description.

I defy anyone to name a better keeper in the Prem. and that includes the City stopper and the RS stopper.

Still, it must not be overlooked that the defence is very shaky even with some tall guys back for set pieces and if more dominant they could help dispel the nervousness we all feel late on in games.

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