Stubborn Blues rescue a point after Richarlison brace

Every week we are robbed. Corrupt bastard Premier League.

On the other hand, it shows how little Dyche has to choose from when Young is picked out of position.

With my optimistic hat on, maybe he could prove to be our secret weapon, we'll see.

Jesus Christ... the fucking useless club website got me again! It <em>still says there's two of them! And I just copied it like a parrot.

Now I'm sick… as a parrot.

Would be nice for once to savor some of the RS fairy tales.

You can't just not play football in football matches.

I've said several times I'm sure we are cursed, we need a witch doctor.

Anyway, we had enough possession in good places but don't seem able to do anything of any substance. Calvert-Lewin had a yard/metre start but was caught in two strides and then we scored what I thought was a lucky goal but always welcome. Then down the other end we had too many players standing watching as Richarlison picked his spot.

They don't look too hot but we certainly look like bottom feeders. I'm sorry but we just aren't good enough despite the many reasons offered as to why it can't be improved.

Meanwhile back at the Optus search…

And if Calvert-Lewin is not scoring, why not give Beto a chance? If he doesn't produce, take Calvert-Lewin from the bench when he is fresh and defenders are tired.

If he could get scoring again, it would be great. But now is the time to give Beto a chance. And Young, he is too slow! How the hell is he better than Patterson???

I didn't think much of them but we look like relegation fodder whose best way of avoiding it is in our points appeal.

We get 15 metres/yards over the halfway line and totally run out of ideas never mind some sort of ability. Perhaps we should look at some sort of co-manager who has some idea of attack and set up while Dyche looks after the defence because that didn't look like we had any sort of idea near their penalty area.

That was fucking rubbish!

If we play like that against Palace, Brighton, Bournemouth, West Ham, we are capable of being well clear of the drop.

People don't like Young but I think we look so much better with him. Garner was excellent today. Big bad Jarrad!! Oozes class.

Teams like Spurs playing that high line suits us, there's space for the balls over the top. When we play teams with a deeper defensive line is where we will struggle.

Goodison Park is not going to see many more atmospheres like this one… immense!!

We got lucky with 7 minutes added on. All down to Richarlison's dying swan act.

Good point though, as David says. Good pressure on Luton.

We don't always have to do our own team down.

Also thought Gana was imperious today... we have missed him.

No, what was rubbish was your post.

The late goal gives us a bit of positivity and belief in the coming week. With Doucoure back in training and Onana not far away, we will have our first-choice line-up back soon. The one that got us to 11th or 12th place before the points deduction. So some optimism to be had even though we didn't get the win.

For Dyche to say the other day that extra training for finishing is up to the player is a joke. Do your job, Dyche, you're the manager and should react to an obvious problem. Well done, the Blue Boys.

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Pickford and Branthwaite are the only two quality players we have left.

Couldn't really see the penalty claims from my seat in the Park End. We were the better side and deserved at least a draw.

COYB's

That late equalizer came as a huge relief.

We fight on!

The performance, as always, lacked quality. The desire and fight was there though and we deserved the point.

Wish we had someone like Maddison, good player.

It's the points that count. How many times do you see the Red Shite play crap and still win or draw? No one says a word when it's them, a point's a point – no matter how you get it.

Well done, the Blues.

They are fighting hard despite all the adversity.

Surely a few wins will come soon against RS and City. Well, one can dream, right !

Folk are not saying it was good football; they're saying it was a hard-fought point. There's a difference. Hopefully you can recognise that.

Given our record against Spurs recently and the lack of players available, particularly Doucoure, that is more a point gained than two points lost in my honest opinion, though I desperately wish for better of course.

UTFT.

They are a decent team, they may be better but sheer grit from the Blues was the leveller.

4:20 am... again, time for bed. I might even sleep!

Well, well, well. What do the slaggers have to say for themslves? Oh wait, just remembered, don't fucking care. And while that may be rude it seems most appropriate.

I was scathing about them last week after the Luton debacle but they've come back with 2 draws against 2 decent teams.

I just wish they could put in that kind of effort and grit every week but I guess the lack of consistency is why we are where we are. Good response to last Saturday, nevertheless.

In the turmoil of change of a relegation battle, every positive counts. It may even add to pressure on the Premier League.

As I said, good to get a point but that won't always be the case until we show some improvement, especially around the opposition's penalty area in both open play and set pieces.

And let's be honest, Spurs aren't the best but it has to start with us improving our play. If we want to be better than three other clubs, and ain't that some target, then we need to have more idea as effort alone won't cut it.

It's just a start, not any sort of finished product, but then, mediocrity is more than an aim for us over this and the last few seasons.

It was sheer effort and a refusal to surrender which got a result, there was little guile in the build up. But that's ok. Given our current selection situation plus off field restrictions, against a top four Tottenham, we held our own. Full marks to the team for that.

When all are fit and available, I would very much like to see a slight change in formation, at least as an alternative to playing two out and out wingers in the same team. I believe it makes us vulnerable at times and teams are often able to play through us with ease in the middle of the park.

Gomes and Doucoure can't come back quick enough for me. These are players who can hurt the opposition with a passing game through the middle. Not so Onana, who is yet to impress me. Although his return will also be welcomed.

If you are expecting this squad to give you some glorious football to drool over, you're a few wafers short of a Kit-Kat, lad!!!

The fact you're expecting it is the real puzzle, have you watched us over the last 7 or 8 seasons??

The majority will be happy with the effort and spirit shown against one of the most in-form and productive front lines in the leauge in a match no one gave us a hope in!

UTFT!!!!

In case you didn't know, Spurs are a top side in 4th place. I still think it's harsh not crediting Calvert-Lewin with the goal, his header was heading in and brushed off Harrison.

How fallen are the mighty, how lost is our swagger?
The nearest we come now is asking how we struggle against the Luton's, Brentford's and Brighton's of this world, and now in all respects,

We are Everton, aren't we, or do you just pretend we were?

For the football purists: forget it, not going to happen, is it? What this team is about is fight, effort and a "don't give in" attitude, which is how we won a point today – not pretty but effective.

We were playing a Top 4 side, what do some people expect?
We know there isn't any Top 6 players playing for us except Pickford and maybe Branthwaite in time.

What do you want? Superb skills and dazzling moves, the squad is moderate and in need of reinforcements which is not going to happen.

Dyche is doing a very good job for me under a lot of pressure, he would love to have a few of the top sides best players I've no doubt to join it all together.

"I still think it's harsh not crediting Calvert-Lewin with the goal, his header was heading in and brushed off Harrison."

Just shows exactly how stupid football has become, as if we didn't know or needed any confirmation but, if that brushes off a defender instead, it's Dominic's goal and not an own-goal — because it was goal-bound.

Just plain stupid — like the handball rules.

I do get where you are coming from as a lot of the crosses into the box were overhit and our play in the final third was slapdash.
But you must admit our will to win and deisre today was impressive and only our ex player scoring two high quality goals gave them a point.

It is what it is and that is a mediocre squad who have to scrap for every point. One day mate? We all hope.

This was a hard-fought game against a Top 4 team who I think has not lost at Goodison Park for a few seasons. Let's enjoy what we get instead of complaining, they are few and far between.

Ross Barclay running the game and Luton 2-4 up at Newcastle, there having a right go and scoring plenty.

I just want to mention Ben Godfrey, who I thought had a terrific game. He looked fit, very fast and committed. I do hope he did not pick an injury, and if he is okay, I think he deserves a run in the side.

I wasn't able to watch the game so I'll offer my view anyway. Hibbert was crap.

I appreciate your thoughts on our actual play in this game but I don't go in for much of what presenters, paid to partly sell the product that employs them, have to say.

We do, however, at least agree that our play could be improved without resorting to the "what do you expect from a squad this weak" and especially around the opposition's penalty area where none of our players seem to get or know what to do when they get there.

We do seem to concentrate on making it difficult to score against us, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I do feel we should spend as much time working out how at least to get more players into attacking position and to know where our other players are, what alternatives we have and where to move when the "line leader" makes his move which seems to be missing at the moment albeit it has improved, players in the box, recently.

We could play wonderful football if we were playing teams from the Cheshire County 2nd division. But we played a team that is 4th in the Premier League. Yes, we should be disappointed that they didn't sit off and let us pass it around them. Oh for the days of Ball, Harvey and Kendall or Reid, Bracewell, Steven and Sheedy. Sadly, those days are gone and picking up four hidden gems are long gone.

I bet most on here wanting glorious flowing football with the qualify of players we can afford probably do the lottery every week and are disappointed when they don't win the jackpot.

BTW - "wafers short of a Kit-Kat". Not heard that one before. Great.

We don't choose, we've given in to it, accepted second best. At the time I wrote that on TeamTalk many years ago, the club budgeted for an 11th-place finish so you know where your ridiculousness belongs. Do try to keep abreast, pal.

I mentioned the poor subs bench, got to say the best move of the second half should have got us level earlier than we finished with a little run by Dobbin and an excellent pass that Chermiti should have put away.

We had five bookings, did Spurs get any?

Then we had to wait for the Villians And Rogues to give the nod to our goals, mind you we were amazed it went in our favour twice! Michael Oliver must have been livid with them.

Dyche deserves praise not criticism for his work this season.

That is the perfect example I've been getting at, we've got more points than Brighton over 38 games and finished where behind them this and last season? Even their youth reserves won't come on loan to us for half a season. Still, we have those 38 games.

Our club are in a perilous position, we battle to come back and rescue a point against a side who will be challenging for a Champions League place and it displeases you. Who is saying we are playing good football, by the way?

Mick @ 67, you will never accept mediocrity? What does that mean? How are you demonstrating your non-acceptance? If it's by coming on here complaining and ridiculing the rest of us who you seem to think are happy with things, then you need to come up with a new plan.

Yes, I am happy with the way we play now so long as we don't get relegated!

Aren't you???

With no point deduction, we are 12th! With the financial conditions Dyche has been working under, I'd say 12th would mean he's doing okay, if he keeps us up with the biggest point deduction in Premier League history, I won't moan about performances like today, I'll congratulate him!

No one's excepting that this is good enough for our club. But when people say that was a decent performance, it's relative to our situation.

You are taking 2 and 2 and making 47 mate. No one I can see is proclaiming a wonderful performance today.

I could understand fans anger after Luton & even Fulham, but your original post with "that was fucking rubbish" seems harsh.

You may not rate Spurs, but they are 4th for a reason.

You may think we're shit at set-peices but we are second only to Arsenal at goals from them.

You may think that today was not an improvement on recent games, which is subjective, but I think most would have thought it was a lot better than recent matches.

It's seeing what is in front of you. Do you see any sort of co-ordination when we attack, overlapping full-backs, wingers taking on full-backs, midfielders streaming through the channels, players moving into gaps left by our main striker's movement, any sort of an attacking plan? Even at the level I played we had a plan for throw-ins, as that Coach said, the most set-piece plays in the game.

What should we budget for? Where have you been, Andy, we're going broke, relegation means bankruptcy, we're in more trouble than a few million over a £105M 3-year loss, try near £500 or £600 million which we would be unable to meet even the interest payments if we are in the Championship (Second Division sounds a lot more appropriate).

Andy, see the light and try less to score points.

Dyche has instilled in this squad the tenacity to come back from being a goal down. Not once but twice in this game. No lying down accepted, no lack of fight tolerated (unless you're on ToffeeWeb).

How many times have we conceded early and folded like a deck chair? This team has a bit more to offer and when fully fit will improve.

The ‘winnable' games remaining and those against teams around us will define the season.

All games are ‘winnable' but in some the planets need to align and we're Everton, we don't do planets.

Piling on here, how do you think that plan to get more players in the box and to see other players will be implemented?

That is some deep analysis: What should we do? Well, we need to get more players in the box. Splendid, now what?

Take the piss all you want about “old tv shows”. Is it a big deal? Is it a bit of a nightmare to you? To some of us, it's part of us.

I went when we never had “music from old TV shows”. But then we did and, for me personally, I love it.

I don't give a shit about all the “modernisation” of the game. I'm a Luddite.

Harrison and McNeil were shite and have been shite for weeks, why are they guaranteed their place?

I am dismayed we are in the Bottom 3 of the league, through no fault of the players or fans.

But this is the situation we are in. Today, our football was inelegant, and it looked like Spurs had the game boxed off in the second half. But they didn't. Due to the resilience and the resolve of our players, they fought to gain a valuable point. Good on them.

And expecting anything like good football from limited players is fantasy the only tool we have at our disposal is belligerence. Given it wasn't too long ago that going behind meant game over it's worthy of comment that these players no longer collapse in such circumstances.

The size of the task facing Dyche & Co is monumental but they're in there having a go, bobbing and weaving scrapping for every point. I'm happy to salute them.

Crucially it's a point gained on Palace and hopefully Nottm Forest who I think look 2 of the most likely for the drop alongside us and Burnley and Sheffield Utd. Luton, sadly, seem to be playing out of their skin (but will hopefully fall off at some point).

We now have 4 teams within 5 points of us and a better goal difference than all of them.

The team spirit looks great and getting Doucoure back will be massive. We're through most of the fixture congestion now with some more winnable games after Man City.

It will be tight but I feel more confident of us staying up this season then I have for the last 2. Getting even 3 or 4 points from the appeal could be crucial. But even if the appeal fails I think this team looks organised and capable of scraping points against most teams.

Palace at home on the 19th looks vital, let's hope Eze and Olise are still out for them.

Could obviously all look different of course if we get a favourable outcome with the points deduction appeal but right now it's tense again.

The Crystal Palace home game after Man City looks massive and is quite simply a must-win.

We can't have too many games where we take a point now, well after next weekend anyway.

Could obviously all look different of course if we get a favourable outcome with the points deduction appeal but right now it's tense again.

The Palace home game after City looks massive and is quite simply a must win.

We can't have too many games where we take a point now, well after next weekend anyway.

I said nought about the final result, a "point rescued". We might come back from being a goal down and still lose the game – but that's still coming back from being a goal down. Subtle difference.

Alan, read it carefully — we have gained more points than Brighton. The Premier League is why we are not above them. Brighton are 13 points worse than last season. Without the Premier League, we would be 15 better.

Who are you playing instead of Harrison & McNeil?

Harrison was in the Doucouré position today which I think he looks better in. When Doucouré is back, who are you playing on both wings, considering you are dropping both our only natural wide players??

Don't be daft, when the players arrive, so should the ball. The idea of alternatives as I mentioned in #84 should provide opportunity to provide same. Doucoure hasn't scored his 8, is it, by standing in the penalty area waiting but by arriving late.

It was said that it was Bryan Robson's strength but it is how good strikers operate, good centre forwards don't just stand on the penalty spot.

If you have an over lapping full back and winger who are not progressing then it should be played inside to a midfielder. With that number of players you can either play through that side to get a cross in or switch to the opposite side of the pitch which might provide a winger against a full-back or an overlapping full-back unmarked or heaven help us that we have somebody who can take on and beat a player that creates at least space. Then the players on one of those sides stream, move if you prefer, into the penalty box.

That's the simple side of it, keeping up? That even leaves the option of playing it back to a central defender and starting all over again.

What do you watch in games? Albeit present-day Everton tend to just welly it long and hope for the best.

How many advances were stopped by defenders closing in and blocking the passing lane? That indicates the lack of overall speed is the problem not just positioning. No defenders are fully following our runs, they cheat into the lane.

By the time the angle for a pass develops a defender is closing down that option or the ball. It is overall speed that is the problem and you can't coach that into players.

If defenders don't follow players' runs then that is where you should be looking, have you even read what you have written?

If the defender doesn't go with his man then that is the man you look for, it is what it is about, a man unmarked with room or creating a one-on-one situation somewhere even if it is just one striker against one defender trying to get on the end of a cross.

My point is, when do you see Everton doing this? And if you have the ball and can play one touch then the defender is always chasing.

Goodnight!

At that point you are left with options that threaten the defensive shape on a turnover. Without players who are good on the ball and have vision for the pass forward your solutions are imaginary.

Points deduction really is a poor way of sanctioning a club, because it is an added factor in the relegation dogfight, but unfairly for only certain clubs.

I thought Everton showed a lot of resolve getting a point today-coming back twice. I think all of our midfielders being out has made things quite difficult. We need Doucoure and Onana back!

However, even if we finish outside the Bottom 3, the second charge against us may well mean we still end up in the relegation zone if found guilty. If the penalty for the first charge is a points deduction, the penalty for a second similar offence must also be a points deduction, mustn't it? I mean, the Premier League must be fair and consistent in its application of the rules, mustn't it?

Did I just do that? Mention the Premier League and fairness and consistency in the same sentence? The world really has gone mad!!

What a ridiculous post.

Does it really matter about Brighton, even if they give us 6, 8 or the full 10 points that we earned back, we wouldn't be a better side than them.

What really is your point, please? I'm dying to know.

I'm sick of people quoting ridiculous stats.

My point is we are a very poor side who are totally reliant on one man: Doucoure — and how sad is that? Because, let's face it, he's not the most graceful of footballers but he's our only goal threat from open play.

Sad… it really is.

But Nottm Forest will not get any points back.

Man City come out to An American Werewolf in London, West Ham come out to Michael Jackson. Once we move to the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, get new owners, and bring in world beaters, we could upgrade and trot out to the Rising Damp theme.

Not sure what issue you have with Z-Cars or old TV themes… It could be worse: you could follow Oldham and have Mouldy Old Dough to contend with or bloody Deliah at Stoke.

And the bonus is that he helps Garner's game immensely.

Gueye was one of the main reasons Everton had that great run of 4 wins on the bounce.

My view of Everton is that our players are tired. They battled on to gain a point today but I think this is because fighting has been slowly getting instilled back into the team since Sean Dyche got the job and it was this type of spirit that kept us going until the end today.

If I was Dyche, I'd play a very weakened team at Man City next weekend, whilst putting two fingers up at the Premier League.

We allegedly liaised with the league, and they have watched us slowly being weakened over the last few years, and how we have suffered for trying to bring ourselves into line.

This season was different and even though we had to get rid of more young talent, and be very economical in the transfer market, we never looked like we were going to be in trouble until the league decided to deduct 10 points from us.

We got those points back, then suffered from a couple of very poor decisions in the games against Spurs and Man City, and then we were on our knees for the Wolves game.

We have a very small squad which has been pushed to the limit by this points deduction so, with nobody helping us, we should go and help ourselves by playing a very weakened team against Man City, thus allowing the bulk of our squad another two weeks rest before the Palace game.

When someone has got it in for you, the usual thing to do is fuck them right back, so I would love it if Everton decided to put two fingers up to everyone next Saturday, with a message that says we are now only interested in looking after ourselves.💙

I didn't think I'd find myself saying that playing Ashley Young is the right move, but in this case, I think it was. I still wish Dobbin would get on sooner and still think Calvert-Lewin needs a rest, or at least Beto deserves 60 minutes.

Tarkowski continues to be a beast in defense but is prone to mistakes with the ball at his feet, as with the first goal conceded. Garner had a great match today. Good to have Gana back, and he was mostly solid, though I thought he could've done better on both goals we gave up.

I've heard a lot of talk about dreading where we'd be without Tarkowski this season, but I can't fathom where we'd be without Branthwaite, having to play Keane or Godfrey at centre-back each week. He's worth at least £80 million now, just an absolute stud. Good to see him get that goal.

Onward and upwards towards safety.

Fully agree. He's driven me bonkers with some of his mistakes and daft shots this season, but he makes us a lot harder to beat.

Today, I particularly loved him returning to the pitch after treatment, running down the pitch and immediately winning possession back.

What use is Harrison? Cannot go past a player, easily knocked off the ball, cannot tackle or retrieve the ball, no understanding with his right back.

Ashley Young, was unlucky to be subbed, for the sake of Harrison. As a Number 10, he is even worse. He is definitely not a James Rodriguez. He is a Dyche-type player, James Rodriguez was not a Dyche-type player.

McNeil is a confidence player with no right foot, a right foot for standing on. Totally left-footed, cannot get out of jail with his right foot, whatsoever.

We miss Doucoure, David? OMG. Gomes has more guile in his left toe, but he is not a Dyche-type player.

If Dyche stays, the school of science is history. Hoofball will hopefully save us, but count me out!

Imagine being one of the players and for 2 years you were battling against relegation and all that goes with it, the tension, pressure, lack of confidence, no freedom to try things.

Then finally, things start to look up, only for some unjust ruling to knock you back down, compounded by unjust rulings on the pitch: Calvert-Lewin's goal ruled out at Spurs, Man City's penalty, Calvert-Lewin's sending off. It is enough to make you give up.

So well done lads, keep it going just a little longer and hopefully we will be okay, if there is any justice!

The great thing about Gueye is that he does not hide, he will keep trying. A lot of his good work is stopping the opposition from playing and unselfishly helping his teammates.

Like I've said before, I think we get the best out of Garner when he plays and Garner did well today.

Who or what is Teamtalk? You are far from the only person to notice or complain that in the past the club hierarchy were far too comfortable with the ‘best of the rest' tag.

The budgeting you complain about was years ago though. For a while, we spent a whole lot more than you should need to secure 11th and we got worse. That is why we are in our current financially constrained situation.

So it's not just as simple as aiming high; you've got to have nous about how to actually get there (and probably some luck along the way) – just like to beat teams like Spurs, you can't simply ignore relative strengths and weaknesses and send your players out to play with glorious disdain for anything but ‘entertaining' footy.

Spurs have found a cracking young and very quick central defender to really back up their wealth of attackers and midfielders. They are back to where Pochettino had them briefly when it looked like they might have actually properly ascended to the Top 4.

Great result

If you knew your history, you would know that the old TV show theme was based on a traditional Liverpool folk song called Johnny Todd.

Seafaring is our heritage and you want to demean it by relating it to Z-Cars?

Yes, it was adopted by the Blues in the 1960s from when the TV series came out. However, the rationale behind Evertonians being drawn to it, was probably our fathers' and forefathers' maritime history.

Klopp would go into meltdown if we played Virginia, Hunt, Metcalfe, Chermiti, Dobbin, Patterson etc at the Etihad, get on the phone to your old Forest mates and make it happen.

The two central midfielders, Gana and Garner were superb. Both worked their socks off with numerous interventions and used the ball constructively. Once again, Ashley Young brought control and composure to a team which plays better with him in it. That's the reason why Dyche picks him.

In spite of a severely depleted squad, we have gained three draws from the last three games against opponents, Villa, Fulham and Spurs, to whom we suffered three defeats in the first half of the season. That represents progress.

I don't think Dyche is the sort of manager to view the Man City match as one from which we cannot get something. He will certainly field his strongest available team.

What does counting you out mean, by the way?

Well said, Mr Postecoglou. Music to my ears. Let's keep it that way. We may not have the talent of some, but the desire from players and fans is Everton all over.

I'm with Colin (120). If Dyche keeps us up, well done. The prospect of Dyche ball next season is frightening. I for one will not be making the 160-mile trip so often. Count me out also.

In Australia post-match had to listen to Osman and Sherwood crap on about how Spurs had controlled the game, and Everton nicked a draw. Then there was that dismal mumbling interview where 'Big Ange', acting like his dog just got run over, bemoaned us 'only having set pieces' and the ref not protecting his goalie.

Rubbish. Postecoglou was outcoached by a superior football brain. Most of the time we had Spurs where we wanted them. Ange is a one-trick pony favouring a high-speed possession game. When that doesn't work, he is bollocksed.

Despite having the pick of last season's available creative attacking talent in the Premier League (Maddison and Johnson), he couldn't come up with a way of scoring that didn't involve some high-quality finishing from the player we were forced to sell to them by a bent Premier League system.

Be merry, fellow toffees. We have a top drawer manager and good players who are up for the fight.

We're gonna do this.

We believe in the ball long from Pickford. Decent teams should deal with that.

Now if that was just a tactic against a specific Spurs issue then fair enough. And yes it did have some success in forcing them into errors because they insist on that Kamikaze high line.

But it's dreadful and isn't too dissimilar to what we do elsewhere. We play football (well arguably we play football) that hopes for opposition mistakes.

I believe we'll be competitive but lose against Man City. We'll be competitive against most teams. We just won't really create anything.

xG... it's nonsense. Those numbers don't relate to the actual game.

Still wasting possession and poor passing, as well as being profligate around goal, but positive signs with a threadbare squad, and most of the results around us going favourably. Man City away next, will be a tougher test!

Kieran @ 82, the Clangers or the Teletubbies could be a good one for us! :-)

I'm sorry for having a go at Z-Cars, I'm just in a cantankerous mood given that we should be on 29 points but we are in the relegation zone facing a further points deduction.

Although, John Keating, you may be biased as the composer was your namesake. I just all of a sudden felt irritated watching the players run out to this mediocre music from a mediocre show and it just seemed so Kenwright just latching into the Golden Vision from 60 years ago when the architect of our demise, the late great Kenwright let us stagnate and rot while buying us off with nostalgia.

I guess I'm a bitter blue. If we had something to cheer about then great but just tapping our emotions with music from halcyon days of old smacks of opiate of the people. No offense to composer Johnny Keating or Brian Blessed and Co.

I'm just fed up with the “we had great times” mantra while those marveling in those times from a lifetime ago profited from our demise. Z-Cars was just an innocent bystander in my emotional reaction to our situation. I apologize to all who were offended.

If you are going to criticise the music (which is unadorned but still makes the hairs on my neck rise and sends a thrill of anticipation down my spine – I'm full-on Pavlov dog with it) you have to at least come up with an alternative.

Thanks for seeing my contribution that way but no, that is not what J represents in my case. I'm not all seeing, all knowing but I do think that the basics of football answers questions like, "How do you get men forward?"

The basics? Using and moving into space, making runs that create space which means players understanding each other and/or having the ability to beat an opponent.

Many years ago amongst professional players I knew, it was known as the Scouse way of playing football, the 5-yard pass and move, not that it was the only place where it was played that way.

I still recall John Hurst hurtling from outside the penalty area to the near post on corners and Alex Young doing similar from the back post or Joe Royle starting his run from the far corner of the penalty box or even Mike England starting his run at corners from the halfway line.

And if you think I'm the only person to hold this view then think on how many times you've read here, "Don't seem to be able to pass to each other", or words to that effect.

Oh, and TeamTalk was a site before, I think, ToffeeWeb started or at least was one of the few to my knowledge at that time. (Sigh, if only I had been all-knowing.)

I think the Benny Hill theme song should be the signature tune for the Kenwright and Moshiri era.

His respect and affection for us after scoring 2 was lovely in this fucking Masters era Premier League of sleaze, greed, and me me me.

We were lucky to have him for as long as we did. We touched him. And when he hangs his boots up he will be an Evertonian not a Spud.

Those pictures with the flare will never leave me.

Our true form is 29 points worth and at that level, no, we won't boss Top 6 sides, but we can, a lot of the time, stop them from bossing us too much, so full credit to Dyche and the lads.

Not always good to watch in terms of flowing football but the players dug in and believed. The old cliché of grinding out results has always been true in football.

Battle fatigue with such a tight squad will be a challenge but hopefully we get Doucoure back fit soon and more chances will be converted. Optimism is the foundation for success and on to the next game.

Let's focus on Everton and fuck the rest of the other Premier League teams.

UTFTs!

And apparently the writer, Fritz Spiegel, an Austrian who ended up in Liverpool, was a season ticket holder at Anfield.

I much prefer Spirit, Forever and Marching (I know Mark!!)

Unique to Everton.

I like your sentiments but remember that our goal difference is superior to all of the teams around us and gives us an important advantage.

Playing a weakened team could result in a big loss (I suppose a full-strength side could also get thumped) but it would be madness to waste any advantage we have.

However, we looked arguably more dangerous with Dobbin and Beto on, so maybe it's time to rest Mc Neil, who has looked knackered for weeks now.

Brighton are one of those clubs that seem to stay true to those principles but, every now and then, they get pummelled by teams that have learnt how to press as a unit.

I can't think of any of the top teams who aren't prepared to go route one, over the top when a good opportunity arises.

And Everton aren't currently a top side, not by a long chalk. We have too many weak links to go that purist route and that isn't just down to coaching and won't change until the club is back on a stable financial footing.

Lampard seemed like he wanted to play ‘the right way' and the players consistently failed, not just because of their failings but also very much due to the opposition having the knack of springing traps. If it were as simple as you claim, everyone would be doing it all the time.

In the same way Danny that the shite stole Fields and Walk on.

Leave Zcars alone FFS, everyone and his wife knows that it is ours. I know you rarely miss a match, but if Zcars doesn't send a shiver down your spine every time then I don't know what to say.

It's EVERTON Danny, to someone who always without fail throws platitudes at us.

I fucking grew up with it in Bootle. It fucking matters. ZCARS is us.

Comparing the thirty-year forgotten Spirit to ZCars ......

Anyway, you are a great blue Mr O'Neill

Kieran, I think you have started something here, personally I think Z cars is a great theme to come out to and is a tradition now. I know Watford have it too, but I'm pretty sure we had it first. I believe it is good to have an eclectic mix of songs rather than them boring arseholes across the Park, who pinch others sons about Fields of Apple Pies, and YNWA stolen from Carousel the Musical.

Up and at them and let’s fight proper and gain another point,we got one there last season.

We shall not be moved is still the best for me especially now with the predicament we are in!!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/author-claims-liverpool-anthem-youll-24795557#

Johnny Todd, he took a notion
For to cross the ocean wide
And he's left his own true love behind him
Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow
Tore her hair and wrung her hands
Till she met another handsome sailor
Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping
For your Johnny gone to sea
If you'll wed with me tomorrow
I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets
I'll buy you a wedding ring
You shall have a silver cradle
For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing
Sailing on the ocean wide
And he's found his fair and false one
Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing
For to fight the foreign foe
Do not leave your own true love like johnny
Marry her before you go

Johnny Todd, he took a notion
For to cross the ocean wide
And he's left his own true love behind him
Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow
Tore her hair and wrung her hands
Till she met another handsome sailor
Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping
For your Johnny gone to sea
If you'll wed with me tomorrow
I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets
I'll buy you a wedding ring
You shall have a silver cradle
For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing
Sailing on the ocean wide
And he's found his fair and false one
Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing
For to fight the foreign foe
Do not leave your own true love like johnny
Marry her before you go

I have to walk out of any room I am in when they choreograph that self appreciation song.

It winds me up.

Off to see my brother in law in hospital today. He is ill.

A kopite and we'll have banter no doubt.

Scousers are known for standing up for themselves and being defiant, and imagine the outrage across the park, even though it’s totally acceptable for these double standard, want it both ways Kopites, to think it is funny, flying a Steau Bukarest flag on the kop.

You have got to look after yourself in this world, and if most of our squad got a two week rest now then I’m sure the recuperation would help us easily move away from the relegation places, before it gets messy in may?

It's a horrible thought but staying in the top realm won't be enough to save us !

I’ve watched our last three games and it’s obvious (to me) that we are playing with tired minds right now. I might be wrong, but looking at how wasteful we have been, after initially creating some very good opportunities, (like the three switches of play, that would have put an Everton player through on goal during the first half yesterday) leads me to think that our players are getting through games on sheer guts alone?

Everton has very little relevance in the modern game, so merely transferring all the old Goodison idealism over to Bramley Moore feels like a retrograde step to me. Our proud history should be left at Goodison - Bramley Moore is our opportunity to finally bring Everton screaming into the 21st century, not wallowing in the 1950's.

Yeah history means something to some people, but tradition is just some things people long dead used to do, and shouldn't shape or dictate our future. That goes for Everton and life in general for me.

Bramley Moore should be a break from the past (the museum), not a link to it.

Lastly don’t forget we got a point there last season, just hope Godfrey is fit to wind Haarland up again!

It's so sad that we had to sell so much talent due to the incompetence of Moshiri, Kenwright & Co.

With regards to next Saturday, given the less than hectic schedule that have between now and the end of the season, we have to give it a go with our strongest team. Our defensive set up is such that we might take a point from the game. We do not want to take a tanking.

Dyche is working miracles with the players at his disposal. 29 points from 23 games is evidence of same.

As for playing a weakened side at City, I agree totally with John at #162. We got a point there last season that helped us stay up. You can never tell what significance an extra point, better goal difference will hold.

Never give in. Ever.

Ditch Grand Old Team too. Sung by Celtic and big club my arse Tottenham.

Always play you strongest team and walk on that pitch to win.

Harrison and mcneil both work their socks off. mcneil hasn't been at the level he was last year, but do we have options there mate ?? He looks not 100%. But still puts a shift in and his one foot you talk about is a beautiful left peg.
In an ideal world we'd have 4-5 wingers in the sqaud. We'd have 2 left backs, 4 strikers 8 midfield players.
We can barely fill the bench mate and you are dropping both our wingers and replacing them with who ??

We are where we are due to the points deduction. Only two parties can take the blame for that:

Premier League or
Moshiri, Kenwright & Co

I get that you should play your strongest team in every game and that’s why I despair when I read people say that we shouldn’t play our strongest team in cup matches, but winning a cup is something that should always be attainable to a club of Everton’s stature, whereas losing a league game against the best club side in the land, is probably out of our reach.

I thought we had a good first half, but we were absolutely awful in the second period yesterday. We had nobody lookIng to keep the ball, which meant we lacked wisdom, and we just kept looking for the ball over the top, which meant that Spurs kept getting the ball back, leaving them in total control of the football, imo.

Harrison, made a few good runs in behind but was shattered when he got there, and I thought Everton played like a very tired team, during the second period yesterday, and that’s why I think we should be looking to rest as many players as possible next week. People don’t have to agree but it’s definitely food for thought imo!

The players are quite clearly playing for the manager. They are playing for each other too. That in itself comes with a responsibility. Nobody wants to do anything "silly".

A confident team, free of pressure, makes those three switches of play you speak about. Players in survival mode think twice. They worry about putting teams mates under pressure if they don't make the pass.

I wont be too critical of any of the players. They are all giving maximum effort, but they don't have the luxury of of being able to play with total freedom. The EPL have taken that away from them

I think we see a different group of players if the points are reinstated

https://youtu.be/_fPVKRT5-So?si=c0GGrU4oxN36jJak

If yer know yer 'istory...

My point from the start, we should have variation.

Johnny Todd, he took a notion

For to cross the ocean wide

And he's left his own true love behind him

Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow

Tore her hair and wrung her hands

Till she met another handsome sailor

Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping

For your Johnny gone to sea

If you'll wed with me tomorrow

I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets

I'll buy you a wedding ring

You shall have a silver cradle

For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing

Sailing on the ocean wide

And he's found his fair and false one

Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing

For to fight the foreign foe

Do not leave your own true love like johnny

Marry her before you go

On another point I was disappointed with Van De Vens post match comments. He was their MOTM but to say they were much the better team in the 3nd half was a joke. A point was the least we deserved. The only reason they got a point was our Old Boy ( who they stole from us on the cheap ) scored 2 goals. Ange was also in full moan mode too, blaming Pickford for saving goal bound efforts - how dare Jordan do his job, whilst his owm goalkeeper was having a mare.

Imagine coming onto the pitch with the opening riffs from Ace of Spades! 😈☠️

On another note Richie showed his class yesterday as stated by others. He's a class act!

I think McNeil is a very good player anyway but he has gone up in my estimation, along with his very brave girlfriend, the very best of luck to them now and in the future, they certainly deserve a huge helping of it.

The story is on Everton’s website and was in yesterday’s programme v Spurs, it might alter some fans perspective of how they perceive McNeil’s performances over the last couple of months.

Or even Todd of Todd Hall ? :-)

And I also said "Imagine coming onto the pitch with the opening riffs from Ace of Spades". I didn't say I want us to use it. Just a bit of fun, like coming onto the pitch to the Laurel and Hardy music would be.

Of course Z Cars will be staying, we all know that.

Dale, I also was never a Lemmy Fan or indeed that type of metal, but didn't I mind Animal Taylor.

I don't think he's been on his top form since coming back from the injury, but I'd say he's one of Dyches first names on the team sheet.

Some on here think we have multiple options in every position and we can just drop several players. I'm sure in an ideal world Dyche would like to rest a couple from time to time but there's just no depth to do it.

Young was tired, was one of his best games though. When dacoure & seamus are back then young for Harrison is definitely an option, and Harrison can have an impact from the bench.

Would you rather us be better to watch but get relegated? This point may be vital come the end of the season. I remember lampard trying to get this side playing "better" football against Spurs and we were destroyed 5-0.

However it just about stands out a bit better than the one we did around 77

Something like marching down to Goodison were marching down in Blue, with a new commander by the name of Gordon Lee, now that was a cringe worthy song which sounded like we drafterd St. Winifreds choir in for the Everton were with you all the way, song might have been called marching to glory.

Just a final point on our first goal, had that hit Coleman he would be passing the goal on to Dom saying its his goal, did not like the way Harrison claimed it or at least pointed to himself saying my goal, that could of got the monkey off Doms back, now instead its still weighing on his shoulders of not scoring for a while, shame on you Jack.

Now, as a huge Motorhead fan - the Ace of spades (deffo not their best song - just the best known) would be brilliant. Lemmy even has a prehistorical crocodile named after him - Lemmysuchus - and Dale - Lemmy was a first rate human being of the highest order with a very unappreciated intellect. I know a number of people who met him and said he was an ace geezer - always open to meet fans and sign autographs. Top fella and the best live band ever (saw them about 20 times in various countries).

Colin Malone - 209
I believe DCL played as a wingback under Koeman for 1 game if I am not mistaken and had an assist. Not that crazy - remember Lukaku out wide against Arsenal?

Once again - Dale Self - 197 with regards to Lemmy - wash your mouth out sir! haa haa.

Give to me a golden vision
Give to me a ball of fire
Take me to the school of science
I will sing along with Dean's great choir
Read to me of golden grey days
Eyes be sharp the world forever see
etc.

(Young, Ball, Dixie, Reid, Gray, Sharpe the later verse includes Lyons, Holy Trinity and Royle).

It's shite but I wrote it years ago amidst loads of others when I still believed

Its all about opinions, I'd choose to side with the 4 time champions league winner rather than the Dutch man who blurted millions on a load of shite !!

I appreciate you've seen then many times, as I'm a gig goer mysef. I only saw them once many moons ago? My wife's more of a hard rocker than me
Do you like Paradise Lost and Tool et al.

Indeed another classic song! It would make people sit up and take notice! What about 'Live to Win' - that sort of has a message for sports!

I have very weird eclectic taste in music, from Motorhead to Shostakovich, Black Sabbath to John Coltrane, The Butthole surfers to Howlin wolf and a myriad of bands people just look at me blankly and go 'who?' I did see Napalm Death last year I think it was, or the year before, but that might be a bit much for the average match goer!

Z-Cars is fine though - we don't want to completely strip the identity away in the name of progress!

100% no offence taken mate! I only heard good things about him from people - but there you go, who knows!

One thing is - they were a proper band, always on tour - even when he was seriously ill - he'd get up on stage and give it his best shot. For me, a damn sight more laudable than the majority of modern players.

That said I long ago fell out of love with the modern game and only ever tune into watch Everton now in some weird misplaced loyalty - even if the football is not better I do not miss the likes of Richarlison, Gordon, Mina, James etc. rolling around and faking injury. I can watch this team without cringing bar Onana, he needs to stop the going over too! My pet hate. I was brought up on Latchford, Lyons, Watson, Reid etc. so, I hate the way the game has gone and how cheating has been accepted by the rule makers, the commentators - and yes, the fans.

Anyways - going off on a tangent!

Exactly what I heard. He was a little bit of a hedonistic chap! haa haa.

Yes, he liked his fruit machines - I think that was the more innocent of his many vices!

His step dad played for Bolton Wanderers I believe!

I'll explain it in simple terms because obviously it is needed for you.

In the last 38 fixtures (so this year plus the results from last year of the games we still have to play) -

Brighton have gained 49 points.

Everton on the other hand, despite being a much worse side (in the opinion on here) with a more tactically inept coach have managed to gain 51 points.

Sadly, the corrupt EPL have taken 10 of them away.

So for all their wonderful football, brilliant coaching they are doing no better than the hard working, never say die boys from Goodison Park. Pretty football does not always come out better. Just ask Everton supporters in 2014-16 when phenominal Bobby Brown shoes was in charge.

I was there that year too to see Swans, Loop, Head of David, Spacemen 3 etc. I cannot recall Napalm death being on, but it was a good line-up of bands.

Z-Cars Napalm death style. Still think the average football fan wouldn't go for it.

Z-Cars it is!

Between them, Motorhead and the Swans are partly responsible for my tinnitus! Yes, I remember the NMA being very popular!

1989 - Everton were on the way down then - did they have Sharp, Newell and Cottee all playing in the same team? Now we have 1 striker!

And if any of you were at Reading in 75 to see Lemmy back Robert Calvert on Ode to a Crystal Set, I will say this: I am jealous as fuck.

Nah Dale - was only 4 then - still 5 years off going to Goodison for the first time too!

So, why should we? And our new ground is in a historical district on the river that cuts through ZCars/Johnny Todd. There is absolutely nothing wrong in mixing the new with tradition. In fact, it's essential. You forget tradition and the cost is losing identity. That song that always sends shivers up and down my spine when the lads run out will go with us to the dock.

I fecking hate the siren by the way. Ditch Johnny Todd (our tradition) but play that cringy cheesy and hackneyed siren that is sooooooooo inspiring and rabble-rousing. Get a grip! Give yer head a wobble.

Anyone who thinks that ZCars was "pathetic" TV has zero appreciation of the cultural and social dynamics of a truly groundbreaking piece of telly.

There's something in the ties that bind Johnny Todd, us, the city, and water that perhaps only those of us lucky enough to be from the city can truly appreciate.

Lastly, get the fuck out of here, running out to fecking Moterhead. We'd be a fucking laughing stock. I don't want heavy metal anywhere near our cool club and stadium.

We might as well run out to The Girl from Ipanema or Music to Watch Girls By wearing shades.

Now the latter is a daft suggestion.

And as for Z Cars, sue Watford for breach of copyright.

And yes, ditch GOT - not unique and a 1990s bit. And what with the siren, that also has no history.

Try the hairs on the back of your neck test.

If on hearing each of these, do the hairs on the back of your next stand up and you get all emotional

a. The siren

b. Grand Old Team

c. Z Cars

If none, what are you doing here. And what percent have said yes to a and b? And anyone who did not say yes to c? If you did not say c., then do you need your dad to take you to the match?

Strictly speaking Motorhead are not really a heavy metal band!

All a question of taste sir!

Talking of cringeworthy - why does the Final Countdown ring a bell with me from the mid 80s glory years. Did they play it all the time at half time or am I just imaging this!?

That song was played all the time back then Barry, wasn't it, everywhere, along with fecking Eye Of The Tiger and Huey Lewis.

Yes, they were - and in my humble opinion, it was not a good thing! haa haa.

For what it's worth, I'd like to keep Z Cars, but with a hellish loud siren booming down the Mersey. I'd also like the Dixie statue also. But absolutely no mention of Kenwright.

Dave @232, probably been at the same gigs. The band I've seen the most. 46 times (I think). They are still touring also.

Motorhead not a heavy metal band? You gotta be kidding right?

NMA had a madly loyal following, one of my best mates and also my housemate at uni in Hull loved them, he still does I think. He took me to see their offspring, the Levellers – that was pretty good.

For Industrial music, I think Laibach, Einstürzende Neubauten, Godflesh or The Young Gods would do it, but then again I think most football fans would consider this type of music a little too out there - and to be fair, it is!

Z-Cars it is. Nothing wrong with keeping the tradition — Z-cars was there long before the slump and during a lot of the glory years too!

But get rid of Grand Old Team! No mention of any other team other than Everton!

Making my way through dog shit boulevard (City Road) I heard the skirl of the feckin pipes. Christ on a bike.

And Collins missed a penalty!

No mate - they even didn't define themselves as that. I do play, so can see were they are coming from, and play a lot of their numbers too. Fast loud distorted guitars, long hair and manic drums actually hide a lot of subtleties - seriously.

It is like we can castigate a player and not realise what good work he is doing off the ball - the unobvious stuff - it is hidden by the obvious.

and it was 0-0? I have a vague recollection!

Little did we know what that score meant during the reign of Walter Smith!

Shane MacGowan was one of us.'Dirty Old Town' somewhere in the playlist, perhaps replacing GOT after the final whistle? And the lads can run out to Sally Maclennane.

Dear God there are bands called Godflesh, Buthole Surfers, Napalm Death. and Gaye Bykers on Acid?

Come back Paper Lace, Racey, and Brotherhood of Man. All is forgiven.

you made me chuckle a wee bit there Paul. There are some other names I could mention, but don't wanna bring the tone of the site down!

8 0-0 draws that season. 13 goals in those first 23 games. Take out the 5-0 over Boro and 6-0 over West Ham and we scored 25 goals in 36 games.

And we moan about this team. 23 in 26. Positively prolific.

I'll concede to you, Lemmy considered themselves rock n roll but, to the uninitiated, they were heavy metal and by jove they spawned the new wave of British Heavy Metal to which I owe my allegiance to! UTFTs 🤘

Barry, we may have met as I was also at uni in Hull. Next you'll be talking about The Adephi and Spiders!

It is all coming back to me. Did we have games were he'd play Unsworth and Richard Dunne as wingbacks? Sometimes 5 centre backs on the pitch.

Without running off and checking the teams from that season online - I think I remember one game and commenting to my mate that we had 7 defenders on the pitch. Mark Hughes up front for about 15 games as nothing more than a human battering ram?

Surely I have imagined all this!!!!

Joe McMahon – 248

The Pogues were good man!

Wow – I was at the 2nd best Uni in Hull – Humberside Uni between 1990 and 1994 - stayed in Hull until around 1995-96. Spiders was a must for me, as was the Adelphi and a few other places – the Mainbrace!!????

I can see why people have them down as the purist of pure heavy metal - and some songs are, but there was a lot of rock 'n ' roll, blues and punk in it – as well as Hawkwind psychedelia – Lemmy was Hendrix's roady would you believe!

I still think some Motorhead would frighten the opposition! haa haa.

Ours seem to consist of Beto, who has the presence of a daffodil upfront and is intimidated by any defender over 5 feet tall; Danjuma who after 6 months still cannot recognise any of his fellow forwards and whose main ambition seems to be getting the ball into Row Z; a little lad from Portugal, and Dobbin who once scored a goal.

And we could use Harrison as an impact sub, presumably for the last 20 minutes of a game, when he doesn't contribute a great deal in the first 20 minutes. Yes, it's good to resort to jargon, but if it's meaningless…

Actually - they do have a song called

'The Dogs of War' - Very aggressive and tad more scary than Pink Floyd's version.

All this said - Z Cars for running on the pitch with sirens for me, despite my weird musical tastes! haa haa.

Gotta try and keep the majority happy!

But our problems are far deeper than the tune we come out to. Let's get a team we are proud of before looking at a record.

As to yesterday and the last-minute equaliser, as gratifying as it was and shows a never-give-up attitude, it cannot disguise the fact that most of our players are not Premier League standard, and mark my words, those that are will leave the sinking ship if we are relegated.

Just 3 points from 18 does not strike me with confidence and I think the whole points deduction and new charge has really affected the players in a negative way. We were fine a few weeks ago but, when Luton started to score, we knew we were in trouble.

I'm pleased Sheffield Utd and Burnley already look doomed and if Nottingham Forest lose any points, they will also not recover. I'm just hoping that, with the two charges, our deducted points total comes to no more than 10.

Not hopeful for a sucessful future but also not as negative as some on here. 'I will Survive' could be a decent song to run out to, or the 'Only way is Up' but either way, let's get the team sorted before we get carried away with a new song.

At the moment, I really don't give a shit what we come out to as long as we get some points on the board.

If the KC dude manages to get us some, if not all, points back then we should let him choose the song! :) In fact, name a bloody stand after him. He could well be the most important figure in our recent history.

“My point from the start, we should have variation.”

If that had been how your post at 24 read, I don't think you would have had any disagreement.

However, the main points of your post at 24 seem more like we were rubbish yesterday and are doomed to relegation because of the manager and his style of play, which some of us have found rather more contentious.

Lyrics include:

Hard nosed blue eyed boys intelligent and fair.
Bark and bite, might is right we're the dogs of war.
So let's go to the new frontier, it's in the blood defending near and dear.

If a self-serving, lying shyster Chairman and owner could have found a coin for himself by doing so, I suspect he'd have sold out to Oops Upside Your Head by The Gap Band.

The lyrics and associated absurd antics pay full tribute to his value to our club.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8jWXH-L7Aw

Then the first few games at BMD it can only be the following tune, just to be sure no curse has followed us

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IfIOEdIEqbo

Like I said, I'm ambivalent. Doesn't really bother me either way. All clubs have adopted walk out songs differing in nature. Manchester United with the Stone Roses. City with Blue Moon. I actually like Fulham playing London Calling.

Rob, exorcism is needed!

Chris, I looked that up. I don't remember it. Seeing Ratcliffe holding the league trophy. Reid being mobbed and held aloft by adoring supporters. The team photo with trophies laid out in front of them.

It made me smile but made me sad at the same time.

One for the last pilgrimage to the Grand Old Lady? In My Life by the Beatles.

Danny, In My Life, the greatest ever Beatles song IMO, John reflecting on the city, not a blue it's true, but the song belongs to all of us.

When I'm down for whatever reason in Chicago, thinking about home where thank Sheedy I will be in 6 or 7 years, it's always In My Life that goes on.

So say we were fined £50M for our one offence.

Man City = 115 x £50M = £5.750billion. That would be £5,750,000,000.

That is petty cash to City (and Newcastle). It is only points that would hurt City, so it has to be points for all the others.

Thanks for that, I thought it was worth a mention. I just noticed your post, I had to get off this thread my head was banging with all this heavy metal music. Really?

What do you call all the music I grew up listening to and still do — Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman, Charle Parker, Coleman Hawkins, Billie Holliday, Ella Fitzgerald, Dinah Washington, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra etc etc!!

Each to their own is the best answer and generation differences.

The last time anyone did this was Gana Gueye in 2018 against Fulham.

I think Christopher Beesley, the Echo’s Everton correspondent who gave Gueye a 6 for his efforts on Saturday. needs to read this, and justify his rating of 6.

For me, Gueye was the best player in our side on Saturday.

When is Doucoure back? As much as he is unpredictable, we miss him. Keep him high up the pitch and we win games.

Tackles: 6
Interceptions: 8
Duals won: 11
Pass Completion: 85%

The highest in the Premier League since his stats in 2018 against Fulham.

I think Gana Gueye was Everton's best player on Saturday in many people's rating, even his poor shot got us a corner.

A workaholic as Danny says.

What I will say is well done to TNT Sport, they put Sky Sports to shame, not only did the cameras go on the cards held up at the start and the 10th minute, but they also gave us a favourable comment as well about the points deduction, explaining the reasoning for the cards held up.

It is obvious the Premier League have advised Sky not to show any protests, but have also informed Sky to not broadcast Andy Burnham's interview as well. What are they so afraid of, by refusing to broadcast the other side of the dispute?

I thought we were fighting this alone, but Andy Burnham is doing a great cause on behalf of the injustice, and after seeing TNT Sport on Saturday we now have two fronts who are giving Everton support.

Big thumbs up to TNT Sport, Maybe Andy Burnham should approach THT Sport and do an interview, Sky might have refused to broadcast it, but after Saturday, I'm sure TNT Sports would love to broadcast a new interview, give Everton's side of things, and get one up on Sky Sports

Also, without being drawn into the Onana debate, which given the varying views, could take up a whole thread on its own, I would go further to suggest that our most effective triumvirate by some margin is Gueye, Garner & Doucoure.

To watch them operate, they look a far more natural fit and give us the necessary energy and craft that's sometimes lacking with other combinations.

Trying to claim that in the playground or park would have seen you receive very short shrift from the person who headed the ball.

I loved Gana first time around and havent seen anything to change my mind about him since he has come back. I also agree with you about our best midfield players. I don't think the system we play is as effective when Doucoure isn't there, he like Gana have great engines.

If we can keep these 2 fit then I think even without any of the 10 point deduction back we can survive. While he has been good all season since McNeil has come back from injury he hasnt been the same, whether the injury is still bothering him. Also hope Seamus has recovered to be back, we miss his attacking threat. Not sure what hapened between him and Romero after we scored but Seamus stood about a yard away from him and just stared at him.

However, Onana will develop into an excellent player, even if he does need a water-carrier.

Is deliberate obstruction no longer a foul? Just thought I'd ask !!!

"The fact that Harrison has been awarded that goal, shows everything that's wrong with the Premier League at the moment".

Really? Seriously PH? I can think of a fair numbers of things that make the Harrison "goal" look like the smallest cell in the smallest amoeba ever found.

Number one is fairly obvious, I think.

I'd personally ditch that People's Club tag.

It smacks of “plucky little Everton” in my opinion.

I love what Everton do for the community and wish they would expand it across the city and region outside of L4 to have more reach. It is is a noble cause.

But we are football club. That's our primary focus.

You are absolutely correct: When was the last time a foul for obstruction was actually awarded (Rule 12)? I think that is when Dyche was given a yellow card.

I rewatched the game on Sky and although it was a foul (92:38 on the match clock) it was started outside the box. You can see the foul better on the replay on the far camera.

All the Calvert-Lewin excusers need to face the facts, once again a great cross from the wings (Young) and a perfectly placed Calvert-Lewin slammed it over the bar – either post and it is a goal. Contrast that against Richarlison's goals both placed not hammered home.

Obstruction Law

Obstruction is when a player moves into an opponent's path to block, slow down or force a change of direction when neither player can play the ball. It is not a foul if players are already in each other's space and an accidental collision or contact results.

I know Calvert-Lewin has come close to scoring a goal (40 mins?) against Spurs but, at this rate, we are going to sell our silverware (Branwaite and Onana) to fund another winger to service him.

Great move by Dyche to use 4 subs – our energy levels went right up.