Everton 2 - 0 Nottingham Forest

Fellow PSR felons Nottingham Forest are today's visitors in a massive game where both sides face the seemingly inescapable danger of being sucked down into the Bottom 3 and relegation from the precious but much despised Premier League. 

Sean Dyche cannot call on either Seamus Coleman or Nathan Patterson, who are both out injured, but Idrissa Gana Gueye returns with Arnaut Danjuma still only on the bench after being out for nearly 3 months.

Jack Harrison and Andre Gomes are named as starters while Dominic Calvert-Lewin returns to lead the line as the lone striker, and Jarrad Branthwaite is thankfully declared fit to retain his position in the backline after going off with an injury at Stamford Bridge last Monday. 

The visitors got things underway, with a few long balls leading to nothing. Forest mounted te first decent attack on the counter, Gibbs-White looking to get to the byeline and cut to back into the danger area,  with Everton defending well. 

But next Williams had acres of space for his hard shot straight at Pickford, Forest paying with far more pace, but Harrison got forward to cross, defended for an Everton corner, with the pushing and shoving starting already, Taylor giving Forest a free-kick after the ball came in. 

From a midfield free-kick, Pickford launched it long, winning another corner, Sels putting this one behind. Gomes took the next on the left but it was poor. It was pretty physical, Calvert-Lewin catching Niakhate with his elbow.

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It was ultra-scrappy, Everton wanting a free-kick for a close-proximity handball, not given. But Everton were pressing high and won a free-kick when Williams fouled Gomes wide left but Gomes wellied it poorly high over the angle. 

But Branthwaite broke a counter and advanced with the ball himself, out to Harrison but the cross was just dreadful, with no Calvert-Lewin there to receive it. Gomes slipped and then fouled Williams to end another promising forward move. 

Calvert-Lewin was fouled wide right, so yet another set-piece and Gomes again, but straight into the wall. Just a disgraceful waste. A throw-in came back out to Mykolenko whose shot was equally abysmal, way over the Park End goal. 

Everton were drawn out to press high, Young then fouling. Everton forced the turnover but Gomes again, just useless with the ball at his feet.  

But in the next attack, Gomes finally played a decent ball, just ahead of Doucoure running in behind. Forest mounted a rare forward foray, perhaps unlucky not to get a free-kick or worse when Young appeared to kick the back of Reyna's ankle. But on review, Young may have actually poked the ball away first with the toe of his boot before catching his man. 

Another good turnover saw some nice Everton passing before McNeil misjudged his feed to Calvert-Lewin. Pickford tried to repeat his awful Chelsea clearance but was rescued this time by Mykolenko. McNeil found Calvert-Lewin in acres of space but the towering imperious Everton centre-forward, under no pressure, tamely headed it back to Sels. 

Hudson-Odoi got forward to shoot, Pickford initially spilling it. The nerves and jitters were ubiquitous. Mykolenko got in a decent cross but it seemed to be cleared until Idrissa Gana Gueye bobbled his speculative shot from outside of the area and remarkably it snuck just inside the post — only his second ever from 100 shots outside of the penalty area!!!!

Everton tried to control the play a little more with the goal advantage, working they way forward with more composure, Harriosn almost feeding Calvert-Lewin. Gomes did a lot better with the corner to the near post but it was half-cleared for an Everton throw-in. 

Forest got the turnover but their forward ball hit Gibbs-White on the back and went out of play. Doucoure strode forward and played in a great ball but Calvert-Lewin was 3 feet behind it. Still Everton looked to break Forest possession high up the field, not always successfully. 

From one of those rare attacks, the Forest ball in from left to right again caused havoc from a mishit shot by Gibbs-White when Wood had a tremendous chance at the far post but Pickford recovered from trying to save the mishit, to save brilliantly at point-blank range, albeit giving Woods another bite of the cherry before it was cleared by Tarkowski. 

Forest attacked again, Branthwaite heading clear. But the Blues kept giving the ball back for Forest to come at them.  A deep cross to Hudson-Odoi came back onto Young's wrist before it went behind for a Forest corner after a brief VAR check, with Tarkowski going down from a whack on the head but Anthony Taylor failed to stop the play. 

Taylor then wasted 30 seconds to walk over and reprimand Forest coach Keith Stroud, showing him a yellow card before a series of Forest corners continued, with Calvert-Lewin defending them well before the last one curled behind to end the half with Everton ahead 1-0. 

The Blues restarted and tried their best to keep control but it was scrappy at times. Doucoure got forward well but his cross was easily intercepted with Calvert-Lewin stranded behind his marker.  

Forest suddenly got forward very quickly, Mykolenko getting back to thwart Hudosn-Odoi but it was a scare. But Young forced a turnover and Harrison won a corner to get Everton forward again. McnNeil's deep delivery fell nicely at the feet of Calvert-Lewin in the crowd but he drove the ball wide. 

Forest put in a great ball for Hudson-Odoi, Young going right through him to push the ball back to Pickford, much to the anguish of the Forest fans who were convinced this must be a penalty. Branthwaite went down when his ankle was kicked. 

Everton were living dangerously, a ball forward to Gibbs-White stroked just wide of the far post with Calvert-Lewin going down and needing attention, going off for the regulation 30 seconds after Dyche had thought about bringing Beto on for him.

From the restart, Forest surged forward again and only a crowd of blue shirts in the Everton penalty area halted their progress. Everton just could not hold the ball up high and it just kept coming back again, Hudson-Odoi's cross headed away by Branthwaite. 

Danilo again spread it wide to Hudson-Odoi but he needlessly fouled Young. Calvert-Lewin and Gomes were replaced by Beto and Garner. Everton tried to get forward but Doucoure was easily brushed off the ball by Danilo. Forest drove forward again and only a vital blue touch halted their progress.

Everton finally got forward, Young crossing and Beto trying but failing to beat Sels to the ball. Beto did well to hold up the ball and Harrison then crossed in after beating his man but Garner was denied by a vital touch from Williams. 

Everton repelled another Forest advance and then looked to break but McNeil could not stop Docucoure's pass from going out of play. Gueye forced a good turnover but Harrison's cross was too difficult for Doucoure who was harshly booked for a high boot on the defender he could not see. 

Brathwaite did well down the left wing and the ball found Dwight McNeil in space in the middle, who strode forward, exchanged with Doucuoré then powered a marvellous shot in off the right post!

Everton came forward and McNeil thought he'd try again but this shot was straight at Sels.  Some desperate stuff ensued as Forest forced some panic in the Blues defence.

Everton forced their way forward but could not create a couple of chances from crosses into the Forest area. Forest tried to respond but Everton broke quickly with some nice passes from Gueye and Douuocure until Beto thought he was fouled. 

It was now end-to-end and relatively open. Doucoure was called for a midfield foul.  Forest kept pushing Everton back into the shell, a great cross to the far post not converted into a chance but warnings all over the place despite Everton's 2-goal advantage. 

Everton were reduced into fouling Forest players to stop them but that only set up nervy set-pieces that had Everton nerves jangling. William went straight over the advertising hoardings and into the crowd after a clash with McNeil. 

Everton advanced but McNeil's ball was poor and Forest were right back in the Everton area, Origi inches from heading in their first goal off a cross that was just too high as 9 minutes of stoppage time were added. Doucoure was in a good position but could not fashion a shot. 

More Forest play deep in the Everton half ended with a nasty clash of heads between Beto and Gibbs-White, which would add even more minutes. Beto was knocked out and it looked very serious, the stretcher and four or five medics coming on.  Eventually, they carried him off and out of the corner of the stadium and no doubt into an ambulance for a trip to the hospital, despite a raised arm to show he was now conscious. 

The game finally resumed with Chermiti on in his place. He was immediately caught by Murrilo. Chermiti looked to get forward but his pass was easily intercepted, and he was booked for time wasting as 18 minutes were finally played before Anthony Taylor blew the whistle to signal a vital 3 points for Everton. 

Everton:  Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite [Y:81'], Mykolenko, Gueye, Gomes (67' Garner), Doucoure [Y:74'], Harrison [Y:83'], McNeil, Calvert-Lewin (67' Beto (90+10' Chermiti [Y:90+17'])).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Keane, Godfrey, Onana, Warrington, Danjuma.

Nottingham Forest:  Sels, Williams, Niakhate, Murillo [Y:90+18'], Aina, Danilo (80' Ribeiro), Reyna (53' Elanga), Gibbs-White, Hudson-Odoi (80' Origi), Dominguez (80' Yates [Y:81']), Wood.

Subs not Used: Turner, Sangare, Toffolo, Omobamidele, Montiel.

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Christy Ring
1 Posted 21/04/2024 at 12:37:12
Dyche is unbelievably stubborn: 4-4-1-1 doesn't work. Gomes plays better with 3 in midfield; thankfully Branthwaite, Gueye and Calvert-Lewin start.

A win today would be huge and take all the pressure off.

Christine Foster
2 Posted 21/04/2024 at 12:37:26
You can see the logic, Beto to cover Calvert-Lewin, Danjuma for Harrison, Onana for Gomes and Chermiti for Doucoure, with Godfrey for Young.

Well... here we go!

Iain Johnston
3 Posted 21/04/2024 at 12:40:24
Okay... the team is to be expected.

I do hope though that we may get more of a 4-2-1-3 and have a right go them!

Neil Lawson
4 Posted 21/04/2024 at 12:43:41
Forest are dangerous on the flanks so play a slow old man. Yep, that makes good sense. On your head, Mr Dyche.

Everything crossed and hoping to eat humble pie by 3:30.

Andy Mead
5 Posted 21/04/2024 at 12:54:26
Watching the pre-match Dyche interview. Interesting he said I didn't know and wasn't told of any of the issues that were at the club when I was interviewed.

Also said, nobody has any idea of the off-field issues I have to put up with. Basket-case of a club.

Neil Lawson
6 Posted 21/04/2024 at 13:02:33
I have given the selection more thought whilst clearing up outside before settling down for 2 hours of agony.
I would dearly love Mr D to explain the logic behind his choices.
An old man at fullback. ( Not Seamus). Harrison who will provide lots of effort but ultimately contribute little and Doucoure who has been dreadful and a waste of space since his return. Sitting on the bench is a genuine midfielder, Garner, who probably has the most cultured right foot at Goodison and who can pick a pass and tackle. Surely he should be packing midfield to give greater protection to the defence and more support to our isolated attacker ? But no. Mr D is not for changing. He knows best. If it doesn't work then don't change ( or just tinker a little ). Please please prove me wrong. If not then hold your hands up at full time and ask for your P45.
Fred Charters
7 Posted 21/04/2024 at 13:18:16
Just been watching a bit of the Blackburn game on tv. Does anyone know if the Pickering playing for them is a relative of our great late Fred?
Alan J Thompson
8 Posted 21/04/2024 at 13:22:22
Well, I bet that caught Forest by surprise!
Derek Knox
9 Posted 21/04/2024 at 13:25:52
Cue Elvis ' It's Now or Never ' !
Ernie Baywood
10 Posted 21/04/2024 at 13:26:07
If he's going to continue to play this formation then most of the selection decisions just become a choice between two poor options.

There are no right or left side combos which could really be fit for purpose.

So we go back to hoping for the best. As opposed to trying to make something happen for ourselves.

Just get a win today blues. That will go a long way to consigning this season to a history that no-one wants to remember.

Sean O’Hanlon
11 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:05:08
Pickford already 2 dangerous errors - very lucky to get away with them
Pete Hughes
12 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:17:51
Very lucky to get away with that penalty shout there?
Michael Kenrick
13 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:22:05
Definitely Lady Luck watching on kindly, but also I do believe I saw some rare glimpses of joined-up football.

Going for a quick lie down now...

Neil Lawson
14 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:22:18
A half decent performance so far but too many worrying signs. Doucoure awful and largely invisible. Surely, given the state of the game Garner should replace him. But we all know, no changes at half time other than for injury.
Simon Dalzell
15 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:27:17
Please take the Hapless Young off. Always looks like he 's trying to give away a penalty. Lucky Twice.
Alan J Thompson
16 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:28:01
It started with Gana getting in the way of his own players but the half finished after some of the best stuff we've played this season, players getting forward Gomes running the show not just aimless hoofing down the far end but we still need more intelligent running from our striker(s).

Branthwaite went on a great run and played a superb ball to Calvert-Lewin who for no reason whatsoever decided to kick to the empty side of their penalty box, did it not occur to him that there were no shirts of any colour over there.

Pickford nearly made another of his footballing errors but later clawed it back with a great save he should not have known anything about.

But having thought that Gana doesn't have much he is having a superb game and I'll overlook the mishit as went as far into the corner of the goal as is possible. Almost caused me to thump the colostomy bag too hard.

If there is one down side then Dyche either needs to have a word with Doucoure or pull him at halftime as he is the one player having a bad game.

Ernie Baywood
17 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:29:31
Pete, I think that's a penalty nowadays. Arm out and it deflects the ball. I thought Young looked pretty worried too. If it was at the other end I'd be filthy with not getting it.

I also think the other challenge had the potential to be a 'soft one'.

Interesting enough half. They've certainly responded with effort, though I've never really doubted this side's willingness to put the work in.

The same issues still prevail. Moves break down with the usual suspects who simply lack the necessary basics.

Set pieces and crossing opportunities were infuriating.

Forest will give us chances. Let's hope someone can scuff one in, as Gueye did. There's no way that was how he intended to strike that ball!

There's little point in me saying what I would do, as Dyche will never do it. But in terms of things he might actually do, I'd love to see Doucoure and his two left feet subbed. Likewise Harrison who looks like he's constantly screaming "there's no-one to pass to" every time the ball comes anywhere near him. We have options we can try who can actually control and pass a football.

There was a moment when Gomes and McNeil played a couple of passes where I thought "oh that's what football looks like". Would be great to give them some mates who might be on a similar wavelength.

Oh yeah, and that's why we continue to select Pickford. You get some nervous moments but you also get match defining saves.

Jerome Shields
18 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:33:17
Dyche ball working ok.Thought it would have been better that Homes come on as a Sub. Got the necessary out of the blue goal.But the margins are very tight with Dycheball and fortunately Everton coming down on the right side so far
Steve Brown
19 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:34:14
Garner on for Young please!
Simon Dalzell
20 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:47:36
Jesus Dyche. Young very lucky again.
Ernie Baywood
21 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:47:50
How are we getting away with these penalties?

Wasn't that one pretty clear?

Sean Mitchell
22 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:50:57
Get Young off for crying out loud!
Derek Knox
23 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:54:33
The other Chocolate Fire Guard Harrison too !
Derek Knox
24 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:58:38
Rockford Files and The Portuguese Gravy Man !

Ah Beto !

Jerome Shields
25 Posted 21/04/2024 at 14:58:53
Pickford's save kept Everton ahead.Was disappointed that Garner didn't start, but I am now glad players are available to replace Young.He nearly give away two penalties.Grateful there is no yellow cards. Need to really focus first 15 minutes of the second half and also need to keep focus on the now customary extended Injury time, if things go ok.Forest have to really come out this second half to keep Everton in the relegation mix for their sake.
Phil Smith
26 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:01:56
Is Young trying to gift them a pen??? Get. Him. Off. Now!
Pete Hughes
27 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:03:25
Mcneill has been dreadful too!
Jerome Shields
28 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:11:36
Pete, he has just scored the goal that will ensure Premier League Survival.
Ernie Baywood
29 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:25:20
Goal aside, when he comes inside (which seems like it was a tactical decision today) we look much more likely to do something. He's going to lose the ball trying things from that spot but that's what you're supposed to do. I'd rather give the ball away trying a through ball that could turn into something than giving it away by lamping it towards the corner flag.
Pete Hughes
30 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:28:45
Yes Jerome, good timing eh? 😁
Craig Walker
31 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:44:26
Gueye, Mykolenko, Branthwaite and Pickford were great today. I thought Harrison and Young were really poor and McNeill but at least he shoots and his goal was great. Our set pieces were awful. I also thought Beto offered a lot more than Calvert-Lewin did.

Surely we can see this through now?

The derby is a free hit. If we beat Sheffield United then I think that’ll be enough. Would be good to get points versus Brentford and ease the pressure.

I know he has had stick and deservedly so but I’m pleased for Dyche. He’s been dealt the worst hand of any manager and saved us last season and he will this. It’s not pretty but we find a way.

Jerome Shields
32 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:45:15
Yes Pete, two out of the blue goals in one Everton match.The last one a rare survival occurence.No wonder you were caught out.Once in a season stuff.
Neil Lawson
33 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:45:39
It's all about the points. It's all about the points. It's all about the points. Phew. I'm a wreck.
But, whilst great battling qualities, again so poor. I will never beconvinced by Dyche. Survival crucial but a whole reset must follow starting with a new manager. Doucoure awful. Young ? Well he has his moments but he should have cost us. Not a lucky win. Hard fought. But definitely substantial good fortune.
Will we have any fit players for Wednesday. Wishing Beto a speedy recovery. He was doing OK.
Alan J Thompson
34 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:46:34
At the start of the second half I thought we started by pushing too far up but it only lasted a minute and we fell back onto the edge of the penalty area and I hoped we weren't going to try and defend this out.

Then cometh the hour, cometh the subs.

I didn't disagree with Calvert-Lewin going off but I thought Gomes was a mistake and we missed that somebody who would hold the ball for a couple of paces while the rest sorted themselves out and it confirmed my fear that we were just going to try and defend the goal lead.

Then like Gana, McNeil looked as though he had mishit one which again couldn't get any further into the corner. Then when Beto went down I wondered why Dyche hadn't got a sub ready and I'm not sure I would have with Chermiti for the last 6 minutes.

Still, a very important win which could mean a win against Luton should see us safe but at least a point from our next game would be the icing. My MotM even surprises me, Gana.

Lee Courtliff
35 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:46:35
Well done everyone, that was a HUGE victory. And, hopefully Beto is alright.

ps: Young is shite and we were very lucky not to concede a penalty today.

Robert Tressell
36 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:46:54
Massive win that should leave us on 41 points without the unfair points deduction. We deserved it too, and approached the game with a good attitude, work rate, concentration and defensive organisation.

Beto, we all wish you very well. That is obviously a nasty injury. He played well too.

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:49:13
That takes a lot of pressure off. And a loss might have been too much for us.

Discussion on the performance, VAR, and some of the fine margins can wait for another day. As can discussions of where this club goes from now, because that's the bigger remaining battle.

I can't feel elated, but I do feel very relieved. Thank Whoever that there are worse teams than us in this league.

Mike Gaynes
38 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:51:13
Forest just put out a stunning club statement.

Three extremely poor decisions -- three penalties not given -- which we simply cannot accept. We warned the PGMOL that the VAR is a Luton fan before the game but they didn't change him. Our patience has been tested multiple times. NFFC will now consider its options.

This is from the CLUB. Amazing.

They're not wrong about the pens -- #2 would definitely have stood if given and #3 was simply a stone miss by the ref and VAR -- but what "options" could they have.

And what difference does the VAR being a Luton fan make? Wouldn't we have been the more likely team to go down if we lost? Wouldn't the Luton fan have tended to give those pens?

Michael Kenrick
39 Posted 21/04/2024 at 15:58:08
Thanks for putting that up, Mike. I was just about to go looking for it. That is remarkable … but understandable. We've seen 'em given.

However, I think there were mitigating circumstances that were in Young's favour in each case. Still, when PGMOL have it in for you…

Danny Baily
40 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:00:11
Corruption that benefits us makes a nice change. What other explanation can you give for those three decisions?
Mike Gaynes
41 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:04:48
Danny, my explanation is that for the first time in years, we got every lucky break possible in a game we absolutely had to win.

The long-tilted scales of justices balanced a bit. That's it.

Michael Kenrick
42 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:05:08
Personally, with respect I would disagree with Referee Mike Gaynes.

First one: ankle tap. From the trajectory of the ball, Young got his toe to it before kicking the Forest player.

Second one: Yes, Young's arm was out but it was a natural position that did not change as he approached the defender and it only glanced off his wrist from very close range.

Third one: Perhaps the worst, he seemed to come from behind, right through the Forest player to get the ball back to Pickford. So automatic foul, yellow card, penalty? But again, I think he got the ball first.

There was a fourth one… but I don't think it involved Young.

Colin Glassar
43 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:07:40
Michael, we rode our luck. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
Ernie Baywood
44 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:08:23
Well, I was going to leave VAR for another day but that is an incredible statement from Forest.

I actually applaud it. There must be some avenue to allege corruption, incompetence or simply not applying appropriate governance to the decision to appoint a certain VAR official... the latter seems to be what they're talking about.

I've been very critical of the implementation of VAR regardless of whether it helps us, hinders us or has nothing to do with us. I'm not changing my view now just because it may well have kept us in the Premier League. Someone needs to blow it up.

Ernie Baywood
45 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:11:54

I think there are factual errors in your view of claims 1 and 3 that you might reconsider if you see them again. He didn't touch the ball in either of them.

1st one might be soft. 3rd one was cast iron.

I also think the handball was nailed on. But they change their mind with that interpretation so much that who knows what reasoning they've gone with. But his arm was outstretched and the ball was going to stay in play.

If I were a Forest fan, I'd certainly be shouting corruption.

Steve Brown
46 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:12:01
Forest signed the wrong 40 players.
Neil Tyrrell
47 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:12:03
Thought the VAR should have had the ref go to the monitor for the 3rd penalty shout (Young's tackle from behind), he probably would have given it. But we regularly don't get given similar.

Made up with the 3 points and best wishes to Beto

Pat Kelly
48 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:12:21
The Premier League is investigating whether the game should be replayed in light of Forest's claim the VAR is a Luton fan…
Christine Foster
49 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:13:00
Short of sueing the league, I don't think they have any options. I could not defend Young for any of them. The handball one has been given against us a few times, Michael Keane was similar, but the two tackles were late and got the man, not the ball.

Sadly for Young (and in truth Coleman), this is exactly why he can never play fullback again. His intial reactions are milliseconds too slow, the difference between hitting man or ball. It's age in an elite athletic sport. He should be on the bench unused as full-back ever again.

He is a liability, we got lucky today, but tomorrow we won't, bench for Mr Young!

But a win is a win, my goodness how we needed that. Is it too much to ask we turnover the RS on Wednesday?

Andrew Bentley
50 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:13:28
Delighted to get the win. Couldn't bring myself to watch it such was the bag of nerves I was carrying!!!

Rode our luck with the decisions. I would have been absolutely furious if it had been the other way around and think at least 2 of them were penalties. Happy that Lady Luck was on our side for once!!!

But can we talk about the absolute ticking time bomb that is Ashley Young? Wherever he is on the pitch! Always gets carded and looks most likely to get a 2nd one and a red card.

Those tackles and blocks in the box with his hands today could have easily undone us. Rode our luck once, it won't happen again, so find someone else to play right-back (Garner?) for the last few games, please.

If only for my blood pressure and health!!!

Anthony Jones
51 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:13:41
Ashley Young cannot play for us again. Absolute joke.

We are very lucky today.

Rick Tarleton
52 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:14:34
Thank God for the luck going our way at last.

Forest had four penalty appeals. Three were cast-iron certainties. One was merely odds on. No complaints from me, however.

Alan J Thompson
53 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:16:21
I agree with Michael (#42) that a closer look at Young's would show the Ref got it right.

The one that worried me most was Tarkowski pulling their player backwards but got away with it as the player tried an overhead/bicycle kick which made it look as though he had leant back by his own effort.

Steve Brown
54 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:17:40
When we win, we're lucky and when we lose we're shite.

Just celebrate a massive win.

Ernie Baywood
55 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:21:53
Nah we're always shite, Steve. It's just that we sometimes we get a win.

There's not too much to get carried away with... but the 3 points are very gratefully received.

Robert Tressell
56 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:22:30
If we'd have been given our various nailed-on penalties this season, we wouldn't have even needed a win today. About time, is all I can say on the matter.

Not sure who is going to be fit and available (hopefully Beto is better than he looks) but we should go into the derby in a decent mood. COYB.

Derek Knox
57 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:23:29
No more Young please, we were so lucky today, Harrison too was a Chocolate Fireguard. I thought the rest played okay.

I wish they would get Calvert-Lewin staying around the box, and get crosses to him, not the other way round. Pity about Beto, but I think he should be okay. He may even come back scoring!

Agree with the surprise comments on X from Forest, on Reffing and VAR being bang out of order. I think there will be repercussions although intrinsically they were right! Bad reffing has haunted us most of the season.

Iain Crawford
58 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:23:39
A very hard fought win, and the two goals were expertly taken. Apart from that, it was a scrappy fight and we came out on top. The rest will be forgotten, it was all about the 3 points.

The penalty controversies; if it was us on the receiving end of those decisions and we didn't get one of them, we would be in meltdown.

Well done to the manager and players, they got the job done by hook or by crook, under a lot of pressure.

Ray Jacques
59 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:23:45
I thought the last one was a cast iron penalty, but we got a break for once. Isn't Clattenberg Forest's referee advisor? If so, at last a bit of revenge at last for his 'biased' decisions against us on many occasions?

Young is abysmal, but still better than Seamus unfortunately.
A point against Brentford and beat Sheffield Utd takes pressure off the Luton game.

Ian Riley
60 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:24:04
We deserve some luck!! VAR is not the problem. Poor decisions were made before VAR.

Our thoughts were officials would make better decisions with replaying incidents. No! VAR is not the problem.

Have a lovely evening all.

Larry O'Hara
62 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:26:17
Pat (48)—is that true?
James Hughes
63 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:29:20
Pat K. don't talk rubbish. The PL does not work weekends and would not announce that even if it did.
David Nicholls
64 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:29:31
Forest penalty claims:

1. Would not have brought down a 3-year-old.
2. Where was Young supposed to put his arm?
3. I have viewed it several times and still am unsure so we stay with the on-field decision.

Finn Taylor
65 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:29:54
I saw Pats comment @48 and thought to myself "Well, this would not surprise me!"

But it opens a can of worms because that lot would then say "Well, let's have our game with Spurs re-arranged" etc.

You never know though... :(

Simon Dalzell
66 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:32:23
Lovely to see Forest heads exploding:. "Should have had this, should have had that. etc." Welcome to our world.

A long overdue piece of luck for us perhaps.

Disgraceful statement on X accusing VAR of cheating. They warned the league Atwell is a Luton fan they now claim.

Steve Brown
67 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:32:45
Pat was joking.
Tony Heron
68 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:35:18
We are a poor team but a win is a win. Let Forest back in 2nd half when Gomes faded and McNeil couldn't get in the game.

We looked more fluid with the changes and McNeil was much better when he came inside. Just wish Dyche would explain the reasoning in selecting Young. He's a total liability.

Mike Hayes
69 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:38:04
Two great strikes, two great goals, both from outside the box - miracles on a Sunday.

A good 3 points to steer us from relegation; let's see if we can get 3 more against the Shite.

Young should be nowhere near the team until the end of the season, then Bye-Bye.

Ernie Baywood
70 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:39:05
David 64.

1. Agreed. But he does kick his heel. Would have been soft, but they do regularly get given.

2. He's supposed to do what all full backs do now and put his hands by his side. That's just the way it is nowadays.

3. I don't know what you could still be unsure about! He goes right through the back of the player.

The issue I have is that I believe referees are happy to defer to VAR and so avoid making decisions because VAR will bail them out. But then there is massive inconsistency in how the VARs look at things. Some VARs are reluctant to overrule a referee and will find any reason not to, other times they nitpick and then the referee refuses to overrule the VAR.

It's an absolute shitshow. It couldn't be more fucked if they actually deliberately tried to screw it up.

Fundamentally, it's not there to give the right decision. That's the real issue I have with it. Accuracy and fairness are absolutely secondary to process.

The Liverpool v Spurs debacle should have made that clear. "Stop the game, you've made a mistake. No, can't do it". Football in general should have been up in arms at that point, but it didn't happen to 19 other clubs so fans and clubs stayed quiet.

Colin Glassar
71 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:39:15
Seconds before McNeil scored, I said to my son, “Why doesn't he ever try and shoot?” Then bang!! I must do it more often.

Gana MotM (again) for me.

Steve Cotton
72 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:40:51
Ref watch will be fun to watch tomorrow...
Kevin Molloy
73 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:41:23
Forest are 'considering their options'. Heh heh. I think the best option for Forest is to drop into the zone and stay there and never darken our doorstep again.

That's a fast £250M he's burnt through, but hey we know how easy that is. Be interesting to see how they offset that when they're back down below.

Andy Meighan
74 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:43:39
Colin 71.

I said exactly the same when Gueye received the ball, hey presto: 1-0.

Never thought we were in any trouble today and fully deserved the win.

Big shoutouts to Young, Harrison and Gueye who I personally thought were our 3 best players today.

Just seen the missive Forest have sent, all I can say is welcome to our world.

I'll stick my neck out here and say we're safe.

Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:43:50
Good job, Pat! You hooked Larry!

My view of the pen claims matches Ernie's at #45/#70 (and when have we ever agreed on anything, Ernie??!).

#1 was mushy soft but could have been given just because we're Everton. #3 was absolutely stone dead and I'm still in happy shock that it wasn't reviewed. Whew.

And with the stupid way they interpret handball these days, I would say that 90% of the time #2 would be given. It shouldn't be a pen, but in 2024 it is.

I don't give it, and the players get upset with me sometimes because they expect every shot driven into an arm a yard away and every ball that bounces up into a dangling hand to be a pen. I even had one guy yell at me, "That's a penalty! Don't you watch the Premier League?" I answered "Yep, but this ain't the Prem, pal, this is the Friday night social co-ed D-league, and I'll call it MY way!"

Oh, and I agree with the consensus that Young has used up all his nine lives. See ya. Replace him with Godfrey, who can't pass but at least won't give up three penalty claims in one afternoon.

Mike Gwyer
76 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:44:20

VAR corruption. Never.

Anyway, PGMOL have just said all decisions evens out over the season... just to ensure this: Young must play on Wednesday.

Duncan Lennard
77 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:45:14
Forest tweet makes no sense… it’s hardly in Luton’s interests to help us win. That should scupper their appeal, happily.
John Raftery
78 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:45:16
Anthony (51) ,

So who would you have at right back? I thought Young was very good today.

Keeping a clean sheet is absolutely vital for this team. Ten clean sheets have delivered 26 points this season. The last time I can recall us winning a match at Goodison when the opposition scored was in May 2022, the night of the great Palace fight-back.

This was a hard working performance from a limited group of players. Gana was excellent in central midfield while Gomes tried to offer composure on the ball, not always successfully. There is some irony in that after all the comings and goings in recent times, we were back with the same midfield duo that played under Marco Silva 5 years ago.

We were lucky the two goals squeezed in off the post but we have been due more than a slice of luck in recent months.

Reports of our certain relegation appear to have been exaggerated.

Phil Smith
79 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:47:59
The first 2 penalty shouts would have been soft, but we've all seen them given. 3rd was 100% a penalty.

He cannot play again this sesson. He's a total liability. I would feel pissed if I were a Forest fan but we've gad some shocking clear penalties not given this season.

Unbelievable that the club posted that statement. Sour grapes indeed. Do your talking on the pitch. Hope they go down after that.

Mike Gaynes
80 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:49:11
John #78, great catch on that irony around Gomes and Gana!
Raymond Fox
81 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:52:26
Fuck me, we have just won a vital game and scored 2 good goals that goes a long way to keeping us up.

Praise? Don't make me laugh, some of you would find some fault in perfection.

It makes for depressing reading a lot of the time.

Barry Rathbone
82 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:52:47
We are a lower echelon squad arguably 4th/5th from bottom at best so "progressive, attractive, front foot" football (or whatever descriptor people prefer) just isn't on the cards.

So scraping valuable points in this season of madness is great news. Well done, Dyche and the boys!

John Pickles
83 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:52:49
Without the points deductions, we would be safe now, none of the Bottom 3 could've mathematically caught us.
Nick Page
84 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:53:48
Fuck the “penalties”, fuck Forest and fuck the Premier League.

There's no sympathy for us when we've been screwed out of games year after sodding year. Everton won 2-0. Enjoy it. End of story

Forza Everton!

Rob Halligan
85 Posted 21/04/2024 at 16:59:20
Larry # 62… I can't even believe you've actually asked that question!
Steve Brown
86 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:01:54
Well said, Nick and Raymond, some on here seem gutted the penalties weren't given.

"We've won 2-0 but let me rationally set out reasons why we should have lost 2-3."

If the club gets kicked in the nuts, they set out the merits of the boot.

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:02:18
This is the problem when penalties get given for next to nothing and another of the reasons why people can justify claiming corruption when they are not given.

If that hand ball is a penalty, then no wonder people are turning away from football, but this is what happens when the officials keep making a rod for their own back.

Football now is horrible, because it has now become a game played by two teams of cheating bastards, and it has become almost impossible to referee because of the constant gamesmanship.

Joe McMahon
88 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:02:33
2 goals from open play, I'll take that! I thought it was an improvement on the Burnley performance, and hope Beto's not too bad, as he did okay when he came on.

Yes, I did think the handball was a penalty but so was the Chelsea one yesterday. I just wish Young wouldn't start, he is a red card in waiting.

Tony Abrahams
89 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:09:29
Seriously, Joe? I know you're not alone in claiming this was a penalty, but unless the defender goes and get an operation to remove his arm, what else can he genuinely do?

The ball wasn't going in the goal, and giving penalties for decisions like this and the first Forest claim, are two of the biggest own goals the law-makers have made in recent years, mate.

Jerome Shields
90 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:09:45
Does the Premier League want Everton to stay in the Premier League? It is the way the cookie crumbles.
Julian Exshaw
91 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:10:52
Best moment today was Beto's thumbs up as he was stretchered off. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

Fully deserved our win otherwise. Midfield looked stronger with Gana in it and Gomes keeping the ball. Mykolenko played very well and what a sight that was to see Branthwaite striding forward in the first half!

Things are looking a lot better than they did on Monday night, that's for sure.

Jeff Armstrong
92 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:14:53
Good win that, especially after Monday night, not many on here were looking forward to today; Forest were beating us no problem.

Ashley Young had a good game today. He was putting tackles in from the off and was enthusiastic throughout. He gets in the opposition's faces, unlike some of our more passive players.

Colin Glassar
93 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:15:17
Julian, I fear that might be the first and only time Beto is applauded off the pitch.

I hear Forest are raising the referee's decisions with the UN Security Council.

Christy Ring
94 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:15:38
A massive 3 points, and we're due a bit of luck with VAR.

Hopefully Young won't start on Wednesday night, considering at 38 two games in four days is definitely too much.

The Forest statement is totally embarrassing, delighted for Clattenburg.

Paul Ferry
95 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:16:50
Sean O'Hanlon 54:

"Please not Pickford! He'll give away one or more goals. Why does Dyche persist with this cowardly clown?"

Sean, what a knobhead comment… and who is the clown now, Sean?

Bobby Mallon
96 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:19:35
Just watched the game back and they did not deserve any penalty shouts. 😂😂😂 Fuck Forest!
Tony Abrahams
97 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:20:27
Ashley Young is too old to be playing more than one game a week, and also lacks the pace to play full-back, but if that was Seamus Coleman playing full-back today, I think he would have been getting a lot more credit. Young was one of the few Everton players who showed real composure with the football at his feet today.

I'm aware we all see different things but I genuinely felt more comfortable when the ball was at Ashley Young's feet. He was one of the few Everton players who didn't treat the ball like it was their enemy.

Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:21:28
Wow. Injury time pen for Coventry.
Dave Abrahams
99 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:28:23
Another nerve-wracking victory and another 3 precious points, that will do for me. No, not nice to watch, better than the Burnley game and hopefully we can get the next few points to keep us up and that's all I want for now, to be honest.

What a laugh when Gana Gueye scored that goal, 20,000 fans shouting as one “Don't bleedin' shoot!!!” as it hit the back of the net.

Brent Stephens
100 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:31:19
Dave #99 - the Forest fans were shouting "shoot, shoot!"
John Charles
101 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:36:20
From my seat, I thought young played okay.

Penalties - seen them given, seen them not. None were stonewall.

Forest fans were a disgrace when Beto was injured.

Brendan McLaughlin
102 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:37:48
Couple of debatable penalty decisions didn't go Forest's way...

Perhaps the whole world isn't against us after all.

Mike Hayes
103 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:40:07
I'll admit Young played well today but three times he could have been liable for penalties.

He's far too slow so makes rash challenges which in future he may not get away with but we all know he'll be one of the first on the team sheet come Wednesday

Anthony Hawkins
104 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:40:30
Had we lost today relegation would have been realistic. The win today and, whilst uncomfortable, I believe we'll survive.

We just need to see out the season and see what comes next. If we somehow avoid administration, we're into a massive overhaul of the team, focusing on those who are good enough and want to be part of the rebuild. All the others can leave as far as I'm concerned.

I suspect we have to sell to buy which means sadly Branthwaite will go.

Much needs to change before next season.

Mike Hayes
105 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:44:05
Anthony Hawkins - overall, there's 21 players out of contract this summer. How many will be let go is anyone's guess but Young and Coleman are too long in the tooth to be given an extension.

We need to bring in a couple of free players to replace them as Patterson doesn't look to be getting a sniff.

Tony Abrahams
106 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:44:39
Julian @91,

That's good news, mate, I've never understood why, when a player is late into the tackle, he can receive a red card for being reckless and endangering an opponent, but when a player is reckless and late in the air, he his very rarely even booked unless he leads with his elbow.

Beto has ended up going to hospital in the back of an ambulance, and yet not even a booking for the Forest player? Maybe I'm wrong, but that looked very reckless from my seat at the other end of the stadium.

John Hughes
107 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:48:59
I don't post very often but I am genuinely intrigued how some players, eg, Young, Godfrey, and Gomes, get pilloried on here (and arguably rightly so, maybe) but Doucouré seems to get away with murder!

If he's had a handful of decent games since we signed him, I'd be surprised and I personally fail to see what he brings to the party.

Perhaps I've lost the plot, which is easy to do as an Evertonian, but I'm open to be educated!

Danny O’Neill
108 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:55:35
As I said to my family, I only sarted breathing a couple of hours ago.

I'll comment more tomorrow.

We got 3 vital points and I was surrounded by great company.

We are doing this.

Mike Gaynes
109 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:55:50
John #101, what did they do?

Tony #106, from the TV view it was 50-50 and fair. Nobody appealed to the ref except Pickford when he arrived. Certainly looked bad from the players' reaction -- Mykolenko and McNeil turning away and covering their faces in clear distress. Hoping for an update soon.

John #107, when you score the goal that keeps your team up, you get a lot of tolerance. He drives us all crazy with his bad passing and decision-making, but like it or not, he's the only steel in our spine. And he does score huge goals.

Tony Abrahams
110 Posted 21/04/2024 at 17:58:45
I'd say because of his work rate, John, in a similar way to Dwight McNeil, who has been very careless with the football for months now but must be one of the first names on the team sheet because he runs and runs.

I've been suggesting playing McNeil inside for quite a while because although I've been critical of him being very wasteful. He is still one of the few players who can play on the half-turn, and he also possesses a great shot, even if I was crying it in when I was cursing him in the move that led to our second goal.

Phil Gardner
111 Posted 21/04/2024 at 18:01:11
I said it earlier, any centre-half in the league that marks Calvert-Lewin wouldn't need to take a shower after the game.
Brian Wilkinson
112 Posted 21/04/2024 at 18:02:58
I think I was among the 20,000 shouting "Don't shoot!" The difference this time he controlled the ball and settled himself for the shot, rather than trying to hit it first time, knee high and clearing Row Z.

I might be in the very minor minority that thinks we got some decisions go our way, then the curiosity inside me gets me thinking they can justify the red shite getting them on Wednesday night.

I also think, by Everton being 5 points clear, they are hoping we will not be battling as hard on Wednesday and will give the shite a lesser battle within the players and the crowd.

We know the fans will be up for it on Wednesday, but makes it just that bit easier for the shite to get the right calls.

Make the most of today's result, we will get shafted by the officials for sure Wednesday night and I still recken Oliver will be in charge of the game with Attwell as the VAR.

I will take the 3 points today, but would love us to put a dent in their title dreams.

Andrew Clare
113 Posted 21/04/2024 at 18:07:37
Just got in from my Grandson's birthday, purposely avoiding the score, and I am delighted that we won.

My earlier posts were all doom and gloom; now I can relax a bit. This was an important win and it makes me more hopeful that we can survive once again.

Well done, Blues, and well done, all those Evertonians at Goodison and all around the world.

Peter Mills
114 Posted 21/04/2024 at 18:46:29
Funny, I came away from Goodison thinking that Young had done very well today, along with the other 3 in the back 4, and Gana Gueye. Now I find out how dreadful he was.

I sit towards the Park End and the first “penalty” looked like a good challenge. My view of the other two was not great (although I have to say the Street End went very quiet with one of them).

It was a much better performance, every player battled hard. We played about as well as we can, which is not great but adequate enough today. If we can maintain that form, hopefully it will be enough to garner the points we need.

A word of praise for Jordan Pickford. Many leap to the shout of “drop him”, but he frequently makes crucial saves. A special mention, too, for referee Anthony Taylor, it takes quite an official to be booed by both sets of supporters.

Rob Halligan
115 Posted 21/04/2024 at 18:59:01
Brian # 112,

These are the officials for the game against the Red Shite:

Referee: Andy Madley.
Assistants: Harry Lennard, Nick Hopton.
Fourth official: Simon Hooper.
VAR: David Coote.
Assistant VAR: Lee Betts.

Anthony Jones
116 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:01:33
Ashley Young being a liability is nothing new. Every time he plays, he looks like a red card waiting to happen. Not his fault, but he is too slow now. You can call out his positive contributions all day, he is still a liability.

Someone asked who I would play at right back. Easy: Garner has played right back for England U21s, I believe. Regardless, he would do.

Stuart Sharp
117 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:01:34
ToffeeWeb posters. Uniquely able to make a win feel like a loss.


Rick Tarleton
118 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:02:07
John @107,

He's an excellent prospect (Doucoure) for the London Marathon, but a ball at his feet and he falls over.

Dale Self
119 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:03:56
I think, whatever trust issues there were between the players and Dyche, this performance should bring enough faith to avoid ineptitude. Players were mostly believing in where the ball would be to make the proper runs with enough timing to position their bodies for the possession move from the pass. Mostly Gomes at the start but others gained form.

Also, the play out was less station-to-station stuff like we get from Onana in the pivot. Branthwaite as a late option in the pass sequence seemed to be a crucial and useful move.

The impressive thing was that midfielders positioned to create space for the second man out on a three-man line in midfield space. The player in support from there also did a good job of waiting rather than rushing as Harrison usually does. We went forward in two or more moves to get support in place and force defensive lines into retreat. That helped the vision and timing of runs.

In short, today it was functional. Hallelujah, Amen.

Howard Don
120 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:06:18
Young was nothing like as terrible today as some would have it, I thought he played quite well. That said, age is catching up in terms of reactions and at full-back he's always on the edge of conceding a penalty or booking.

Bench as a good experienced sub, or further forward is where he should be.

Paul Ferry
121 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:15:39
John Charles 101:

"Forest fans were a disgrace when Beto was injured".

They were, John, with their pathetic "Sign on". However, let's be fair, John, every one of them I saw was clapping when Beto was stretchered off.

Alec Gaston
122 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:25:33
Fair play to Gomes today - he brought calm and control on the ball and worked hard
Rob Halligan
123 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:27:56
Forest not happy because Stuart Attwell is allegedly a Luton fan. If that was the case surely he would have preferred a draw today?
Robert Tressell
124 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:29:35
John # 107, I'm with you on Doucoure. And Gueye too, to be honest. Obviously they do both bring something to the party (as with Gueye's goal today) and can be effective, but they just aren't very good at football - and that bothers me. Hopefully we can bring in some better quality over summer.
Andy Crooks
125 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:39:12
At last, lucky Everton! I think some decide before the game who will carry the can. From what I saw, and to be honest our team do make me go AWOL, quite often, I thought that Young was good and he was an inspired signing under the circumstances.
Rick Tarleton
126 Posted 21/04/2024 at 19:40:37
I rather hope, naively, I admit, that I want us to be better than our rivals, not just in a football sense, but in a moral sense. I wouldn't swop Liverpools numerous European trophies for the stigma of Heysel. Similarly I'm delighted we won today and that VAR was uncharacteristically kind to us, but I'd prefer to have won by being uncontroversially better. Naive, but I remember Yung and Vernon and the bliss they brought by sheer talent and charisma.
Neil Bowman
127 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:25:28
We play in fits and starts, rush shots and lack cohesion in attack. We're low on confidence and lack resilience. Rather than strengthening their resolve The Pickford save / Chris Woods' shot rattled the players and the crowd alike. Saying all of that, we had enough quality to get ourselves over the line and at times players understood what teamwork means. If we get 4 points over the next 2 games, Luton lose to Wolves and Burnley don't beat Man U, we'll be safe by Saturday night. The end to this terrible season is within touching distance now and it can't come soon enough.
Sam Hoare
128 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:28:44
Had a good feeling last night/this morning and for once my gut was reliable.

Still not a great performance and we rode our luck but an improvement on recent levels.

I thought Young was ok but definitely prone to a mistake and that Branthwaite and Gana and Pickford were our best players. Gomes almost had his pocket pinched a few times and Harrison was better than before.

It may be that we already have enough points to survive as Luton have been getting less than a point all season and now need 6 from 4 games to better where we are now. Another few points would surely do it.

A big win. Much needed 3 points. Now let’s derail the RS title bid as it’s a free hit for us with the pressure off somewhat.

Brent Stephens
129 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:35:44
Today (as so often recently) was about the result not the performance. And given the limited quality of our squad (I give you Harrison as somebody who normally starts), then we're not going to get good footballing performances. Who do we think we are?! We have a late-30s player at RB. Tarks who's been very good this season but not quite there the last few games. No striker of quality putting in consistent scoring performances. Harrison, well I've already said...

Sheer delight on goal 1 and goal 2. Never a moment after 10 minutes or so into the match when I feared we might not get 3 points from this.

Best wishes for Beto.

Anthony Dove
130 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:40:54
I don’t know why everyone is slagging Doucoure off.
Moving him back into midfield prevented the opposition
slicing through our midfield like a knife through butter.
Great result but I was surprised to find another team
slower than us. They made Luton look like Real Madrid.

Brent Stephens
131 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:41:16
Paul #121 on the train coming home I saw your comments on the Live Forum immediately after the 2 goals. I ran out of credit on my phone trying to scroll past the first lot!
Andy Crooks
132 Posted 21/04/2024 at 20:51:10
Had we not been deducted points and been sitting safe now, I guess many( me included) would be lamenting a shite season and lambasting Dyche.
A shite season is entirely relative. I will be watching MOTD tonight with a light heart. Sam Hoare, enjoy it because I know what you mean about Everton anxiety. We were as lucky as fuck and who cares.
Paul Ferry, you and Barry Rathbone are my go to guys for solace. If you and Barry are happy at the same time, then...all is well
Oliver Molloy
133 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:14:02
Like all Evertonians, very happy for the win. My opinion on the not given penalty's - if this was us we would all being going off our fucking heads - all three should have been given, how VAR didnt ask Taylor to have a look for any of them is quite unbelievable !

A win is a win, but we got lucky today !

Tony Abrahams
134 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:21:42
There is no way I’d have been going off my nut Oliver, although after looking at the highlights, I was surprised the third incident wasn’t given. (Because of who the ref was)

To be fair to Forest, Anthony Taylor, probably gives out more soft penalties, than any other ref, but anyone claiming those first two should have been given, (even if they had happened at the other end) would always find me disagreeing with them because neither was a penalty imo.

John Charles
135 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:22:36
Paul, they did clap him off. But spent the first 5 minutes he was down completely unmoving screaming he was a cheating bastard and to get off the pitch. Even as he was having an oxygen mask fitted. That is what got the park end up singing that Nottingham is full of scabs.
Brendan McLaughlin
136 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:23:38
Indeed Oliver #133

The "Relegate Everton" conspiracy...bit embarrassing really...

Mike Gaynes
138 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:28:00
Thanks for that clarity, John. Makes me all the happier that they're all spitting venom about the ref!
Simon Dalzell
139 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:29:43
I'm praying Dyche Wont Inflict Ashley Young on us against the Shite. He likely will do though. The new Holgate. Calamity Kid 2.. Any excuse for a pen will be given against us Wednesday.
Tony Abrahams
140 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:32:31
The Forest fans, even had the audacity to claim Anthony Taylor, From Altringham, was a scouser!

Taylor even got booed off by the Evertonians, which shows how many people in attendance today thought he was a Homer, and he let Everton off the hook because they should have conceded three stonewall penalty kicks.

Rob Halligan
141 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:33:59
Forest may well feel aggrieved about not getting a penalty or two. No guarantees they would have scored them.
Oliver Molloy
142 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:39:32
Why do you think they weren't penalties Tony ?

I can accept that that Taylor got the decisions wrong, but I really can not get my head round why he wasn't advised to have a look - there is no doubt had that been the case we would have been in trouble - we got very lucky today.
Whatever you are seeing - I don't !
Young one - clearly kicks the forest player in the heel.
Young two - clearly moves his arm.
Young three - clearly goes through the forest player.

Tony Abrahams
143 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:40:13
The first thing we have got to do is change. Instead of saying Liverpool will get a penalty, we should be reminding everyone they got a very soft penalty at Anfield, and they were also very lucky that the ref wasn’t consistent for both teams, when after sending Ashley Young off for two book-able offences he let the Liverpool central defender stay on the pitch.

Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, and when those horrible Liverpudlians are outraged, moan and moan some more. It’s a Merseyside derby, and Arnold has already said that the game will be won by whoever wants it the most, so let’s unite for a few days now, and save our moaning for the biggest moaning bastards in football💙

Brent Stephens
144 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:41:21
Simon #139 "I'm praying Dyche wont Inflict Ashley Young on us against the Shite."

First goal - TAA raking diagonal cross-field pass from left to right over Young's head - goal #1.

And please, it's "shite" with lower case "s" and a long "shshshsh".

Tony Abrahams
145 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:52:33
Young also clearly touches the ball, and the Forest player goes down like he had been poleaxed, which equals cheating fucker in my book Oliver.

Young definitely moves his arm, but when you are forced to turn because a ball is played diagonally over your head, then you have got to clearly move your whole body, and unless you cut your arms off, then I don’t know what else you can do?

I saw what you saw I think Oliver, and just don’t agree with your assessment that they were penalties.

It’s possible that either Taylor or Atwell, could give a penalty for one of those incidents next week, but if this happens it doesn’t mean they will have been wrong today, imo, it will just mean that they are getting away with murder, because nobody is calling in the very inconsistent standards of these very poor officials, and it is definitely making a lot of people feel that the game is corrupt.

Get the refs to speak to the VAR officials, who can then explain their decision in audio, and only then will they have to improve their standards and become consistent, because it will no longer be possible for them to keep getting away with what they are getting away with now.

Neil Copeland
146 Posted 21/04/2024 at 21:52:39
After the Monday night humiliation at the Chavs, I thought the players (and manager) did well today to get a result.

Sure we rode our luck at times but I thought we were the better team overall.

As for Forest complaining, the whole thing comes across as very unprofessional and embarrassing. As Rob says above, surely a draw was the best result for Luton. Good luck with their points appeal…..

Anyway, great result and onwards we go. Bring on the RS, it’s about time we rammed it down the gobshites throats.


Ian Riley
147 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:01:05
Who cares about forest? They wouldn't give a us a second thought if they had won. It's a great win after Monday. Performances don't matter now! Points is far more important.
Rob Jones
148 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:06:53
1. We won.
2. Why are some of you spewing so much negativity about your own players? Ridiculous takes on here.

It genuinely feels like some people would have been happier if penalties had been given, in order to justify their animosity towards Ashley Young. I suppose it's lucky Onana didn't play, otherwise I'd have to read the usual stream of venom about him too.

Phil Lewis
149 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:08:04
Young performs as well as can be expected in the Premiership given he will be 39 in two months time. He can't be faulted for Dyche continually selecting him, particularly at full back against pacy wingers. The man is clearly past his best. Experience is one thing, but when pace and reflexes have gone even the best are vulnerable and exposed.
For these reasons and given our injury crisis, I think Garner at full back might prove a better proposition.
We are stretched to the limit at present and have a choice to make against Liverpool. We can either 'park the bus' with a blanket defence and play for a draw, or take the game to them with a gung-ho approach. Perhaps even throwing a couple of relatively untried players into the mix.
Personally I would prefer the latter, as I believe it would be folly to try and contain them for a draw.
Mark Ryan
150 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:10:40
It'll be an interesting Ref Watch tomorrow on Sky but I'm very interested to see how the MOTD 2 pundits cover this story. HOWEVER for what it's worth IMHO I think one was possibly a pen and when Young Volleyballs it, I was looking elsewhere lol ! UTFT'S
Phil Lewis
151 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:11:45
Couldn't agree more regarding Doucoure. Vastly overrated and over hyped.
Mike Hayes
152 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:12:43
Rob jones - these are the same friggin players who FAILED to turn up for a 6-0 embarrassing drubbing and other games - 2 wins in 15 - says it all - yes we won today as the players couldn’t take another fan lambasting
Roger Helm
153 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:14:01
I didn’t think it was handball, because his hand was moving away from the ball toward his body, and the arm position was not un-natural anyway. However, the other two looked like definite penalties, at least in football as it now is.

Seems to me refereeing standards are poor because at the bottom of the pyramid, thousands are lost to the game due to abuse and violence from fans and players, and at the top they get ridiculous abuse online. Corruption, really? Has anyone seen any evidence of this? Football fans need to look at themselves first when complaining about referees. It is never an issue in either rugby code.

Whatever, Young’s good luck glosses over the fact that his reaction times are no longer quick enough to play at this level, he is a menace to us and needs to retire.

Rob Halligan
154 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:34:27
Love to know what options Forest considering? Maybe walk off the pitch if it happens again, or just not turn up for their next game, which, in all honesty is probably not a bad idea, seeing they play Man City next.

They could face serious consequences over their statement because, as Gary Neville says, it’s almost as if they are calling Stuart Attwell a cheat. A further points deduction, though highly unlikely, or possibly their current appeal failing.

Neil Copeland
155 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:38:55
Rob, I thought the same. Very naive when considering their pending appeal.
Kieran Kinsella
156 Posted 21/04/2024 at 22:56:55

It’s the same with Leicester threatening legal action after being charged. Either it’s naive self defeating Sabre rattling or we are the idiots and could have sued lol

Christine Foster
157 Posted 21/04/2024 at 23:04:30
Tony, in any other age pre EPL, none of those penalties would or should have been given. In this feather knock me down league, they most certainly are given for each and every one of them.
That doesn't make it right though because as you could rightly say, it's the players who are cheating, it's the officials who have forgotten its a contact sport.
Noone is advocating a return to the Vinny Jones v Roy Keane type games, watched now how soon we forget how brutal the game was, so bad it's shockingly funny.
But if this non contact, knock me down with a feather game is it, somehow we have to live with it.
How many people thought that Taylor actually let loads go yesterday for both sides? Tackles that normally drew fouls got a play on, loads of holding not given.. so in that context the penalty shouts where never going to be given.
But this is not the new norm, this is not the beautiful contactless game served up as football, that's why in general, fans see one game where a referee let's play continue, and another where penalties are bought. What is a fan to do? Or to think?
Either call it for what it is, cheating, and play on, or accept that's a non tackle game. Remember the demise of the slide tackle? Or taking the ball and the man in a tackle fairly?
Young going forward and on the ball was definitely one of the better players yesterday but at full back he has to match the pace of kids half his age. That split second is the difference between hitting ball or foot, between brilliant clearance or penalty.
For me that's why at full back he is a liability against a pacy forward. He has been booked several times for "late" challenges outside the box because of the same thing.
At full back, more than anywhere else on the pitch, a defender now has to have pace and timing, but lose either or both and it's a problem.
Neil Copeland
158 Posted 21/04/2024 at 23:06:37
Keiran, there is no doubt that we are idiots (well at least Moshiri et al is) but there again Leicester are in the Championship and Forest may well be heading that way.

Joking aside, the officiating and governing seems to be getting more inconsistent but all the clubs do is whinge and whine rather than getting together and forcing change.

David West
159 Posted 21/04/2024 at 23:09:54
3 points is all that matters at this stage!

You can't relax with this group of players because who knows how they will play against Luton, Brentford and Sheffield Utd?

On another day, without luck on our side, we could have had a couple of penalties against us and Young may not have got through the game without getting sent off, but they say it evens out over a season and maybe we are getting our due share of luck at just the right time.

A bit more on Wednesday would be nice — a deflected 98th-minute winner will do me!

Tom Bowers
160 Posted 21/04/2024 at 23:43:35
Yep, 3 points in the bag, no matter how the game went. It was ugly again at times but it's what we have come to expect with the poor squad we have.

By rights, we should be above Palace and Brentford and not worrying about the remaining games against Luton, Brentford and Sheffield Utd.

It's not likely we will get much from the RS or Gunners games but they probably won't matter in the final analysis although it would be nice to stick one on Klopp's last season.

We got lucky with the crap referee and VAR but they should have had one penalty and Dyche should seriously think about Young's defensive qualities as he is totally at sea. Perhaps Garner should get the nod there.

Derek Thomas
161 Posted 21/04/2024 at 23:49:27
For me, people mostly had average games, nobody had a bad game – unlike the Chelsea game. Average is the new School of Science for this team and, combined with maximum effort, is 'usually' enough to see off the bottom third of the Premier League.

Sentiment aside, there's not much to choose between Coleman and Young.

But Young is not getting that lucky twice in 4 days - especially vs Liverpool, so Godfrey it is at right-back.

Pickford's kicking is increasingly hurried and erratic, but he made two match savers and even came out and collected some dangerous high balls in the second half.

Paul Ferry
162 Posted 22/04/2024 at 01:34:26
Cheers John (Charles). I did hear that and I was singing that in 1984-1985 (and after) because it was true!

Jay Harris
163 Posted 22/04/2024 at 02:04:14
For those lambasting Young over the non-penalties, may I remind you that Godfrey was the last player to give a penalty away for a very late tackle.

Unfortunately, our style of play allows the opposition to run at our full-backs in the box. Mykolenko seems to cope okay with this, giving away a corner or forcing them to the byline, but such is our paucity at right-back, we have no way of dealing with it except to double up and go defensive, which negates our attacking threat.

I know a few of us advocate playing Garner at right-back and that for me is the better option – especially against Diaz or Jota.

Logic tells me we will struggle on Wednesday but we are due a result against that shower and they are no great shakes at the moment.

Ernie Baywood
164 Posted 22/04/2024 at 03:17:29
Forest should use loss of income due to incompetent officiating as a mitigating factor in their upcoming appeal.

Just so I can enjoy the Premier League having to respond with "incompetent officiating is something that clubs should expect".

For a bit of balance, those penalty appeals weren't the only decisions (or non-decisions) that were controversial. The officials had absolute shockers all round.

Ball out of play not called, not stopping the game for a head injury in the 6-yard box, no yellows for late challenges, then throwing yellows around late in the game. I reckon they lost the plot.

I don't know how VAR gets fixed. It should be fairly simple – try to reach the right decisions with the benefit of technology. But that's not how it's implemented right now. At some point, the clubs will have to do something but I suspect they won't. Everyone just complains about their own club's decisions – not the implementation in general.

Rob Hooton
165 Posted 22/04/2024 at 04:00:45
We're very lucky the VAR official is a Luton fan – apparently Forrest complained about them being appointed before the match! Those decisions were as bent as a nine-bob note.

Very relieved with the win and two cracking goals, Gueye ruining the day for anyone that had bet on the first goal scorer. We were the better team, but Young could have easily cost us that match and I hate seeing him in our squad, he's a proper liability.

Jerome Shields
166 Posted 22/04/2024 at 05:33:30
I don't think luck comes into it, Rob. Young is a very experienced professional and built his reputation on making clinical and important interventions in the penalty area over the years.

Mark Clattenburg… Did Everton have any issues with him before? He is Refereeing Consultant at Forest and must have had an input to their statement. His name, like Oliver's, sticks in my mind.

He should resign from his position at Forest over that Forest statement. He has not heard the last of this, because the Premier League will have to do something about that inaccurate and slanderous Forest statement

Terry Farrell
167 Posted 22/04/2024 at 05:44:48
Sean, please do not start Young v Diaz in the derby. Whoever the ref is will have see nthe penalty debacle (3rd one) and know they are under scrutiny.

Young killed us in the away derby vs the same player. It's got disaster written all over it.

Relief that the penalty wasn't given and we won a 6-pointer but we all know it was 100% a penalty. We had similar with Calvert-Lewin at Bournemouth.

Ian Edwards
168 Posted 22/04/2024 at 06:42:48
None of those penalties were clear and obvious errors. The handball was blasted from a yard away.

Forest are just bad losers.

Pete Neilson
169 Posted 22/04/2024 at 07:02:28
Good important win. Penalty-gate massively contrived with the employment of Clattenburg at Forest. No mass appeals at the match from the players. No feeling we'd been “lucky” when leaving Goodison.

Forest and Clattenburg have been escalating this sort of view through the willing media since February. Yesterday, they reached peak whinging.

Ernie Baywood
170 Posted 22/04/2024 at 07:29:26
It's amazing that so many conspiracy theories abound on here about the Premier League trying to relegate Everton, yet Forest's complaints at not getting two decent shouts and one nailed-on penalty are apparently contrived.

I'll argue we've been stiffed previously by the same dysfunctional VAR implementation and also got some bad calls yesterday from officials who lost the plot.

But if you don't think that last one was a penalty, then I don't know what to say. It wasn't just a foul – it was a bad foul on a player in a good position. That's always been a penalty. And Atwell got to watch it a few times before deciding to do nothing.

Mike Corcoran
171 Posted 22/04/2024 at 07:48:25
Harrison left to actually cross, Dwight right to cut in, Danjuma at 10 if fit, sorted, let the goals flow.

We just need a striker from somewhere…

Mike Corcoran
172 Posted 22/04/2024 at 07:53:15
Oh yeah, and Garner – god bless him – to right-back until something competent transpires (and that is none of Young, Coleman, Patterson, Godfrey for their obvious deficiencies).
Derek Thomas
173 Posted 22/04/2024 at 08:07:13
Godfrey is a bit of a penalty magnet too though not as bad as Young, but he should be big enough and fast enough to handle Diaz

Because after all this furore PGMOL will be crying..."God for Klopp, Clattenberg and the RS"

Anything like Sunday's penalty events vs the RS and we'll be 0-3 down before we know it

Though God help whoever at right-back vs Jota, I hate to say it but he's good.

Tony Abrahams
174 Posted 22/04/2024 at 08:08:56
The first penalty incident is definitely contrived by the Forest player, Ernie, especially when he just lay on the turf for at least 30 seconds whilst the game continued, obviously waiting for the VAR.

Football has been slowly going down this road for years and this has been created by television. The forward who had a right to go down was usually cheating and slowly we started getting a game in which cheats prosper.

It's off-putting, very off-putting if I'm being honest, and after thinking about the fact that even Evertonians on this website were saying they were all penalties, it actually makes me very sad for the once beautiful game.

Another thing that made me think was that how many people who were inside the stadium actually thought that those three incidents were nailed on penalties at the time? Because I honestly don't believe many people who were caught up in the emotions of a very tense game would have genuinely thought either of those first two incidents needed looking at by the VAR… but maybe I'm wrong?

Forest's statement is extreme but, like a lot of people connected to Everton, they must also genuinely believe that the Premier League is out to get them.

If Forest have said that Atwell is a Luton fan, then surely they would have asked Clattenberg if this was true before making such a statement?

John Charles
175 Posted 22/04/2024 at 08:30:38
Good point, Tony. Even the Forest players and supporters weren't overly crying for pens. The furore is embarrassing.

Bad decisions – if that is what they were – happen. Get over it.

I left the ground not considering for a second we were lucky or they should have had a pen.

Ian Wilkins
176 Posted 22/04/2024 at 08:32:27
The first two would have been very soft (I think they call them ‘modern day' penalties), the 3rd looked a clear penalty to me.

Maybe our justified complaints to PGMOL have cut us some slack, who knows. Maybe we just got an overdue bit of luck. Frankly I don't care.

I understand Forest’s annoyance, but the statement is amateur hour. They have an Appeal running, maybe it's intention is to add a little pressure to that outcome…,

Christopher Timmins
177 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:03:55
Well, 38 points after 33 games represents an improvement on last season. I predicated a 45 points tally at the start of the season and we won't be far off that come the end of the season.

Not a bad season to take a couple of points deductions given the standard of the teams below us.

As regards yesterday's game, it was consistent with a lot of the games in the second half of the season. (Chelsea was an exception.) We defended well but did not create a lot.

I doubt if there is club in the Premier League who has suffered as much as us regards bad penalty decisions, we know what bad penalty decisions look like, there were some on view yesterday.

A long summer ahead without much to look forward to incoming wise and probably the loss of our brightest star. Still, if we sort out our finances once and for all by moving on those who are out of contract, we have the opportunity to start again.

Sam Hoare
178 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:04:28
First good Sunday night's sleep I've had in a while!

The table is looking much healthier this morning and the form book is not quite so bad either with 7 points from the last 4 matches. Not totally out of the woods but there would seem to be some daylight.

Would be great if we could bag some points against Liverpool or Brentford as I also think it helps with planning to know which league we are playing in next season.

I don't know if the ownership issues are at all clouded by relegation fears but I'd imagine they might be and it certainly would affect Thelwell or whoever is planning for player recruitment and sales.

Andrew Ellams
179 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:11:42
We now have more clean sheets in the league than Liverpool and Man City and only Arsenal have conceded fewer.

Just a decent average striker will lift us up the table.

Rob Jones
180 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:41:38
Andrew, we have more clean sheets and a (generally) decent defensive record precisely because we neglect the attacking element of the game.

Calvert-Lewin, like Onana, could do so much more in a better team. You could take Ollie Watkins out of Aston Villa, put him in this tactical set-up, and he wouldn't score that much more.

Ian Edwards
181 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:48:28
Andrew @179.

We won't score more goals until the tactics change and we get more players forward offensively.

Ian Edwards
182 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:50:08
I've read previously that Anthony Taylor resents being sent to the screen, so I expect the VAR won't send him unless it's a huge error.
Brian Harrison
183 Posted 22/04/2024 at 09:50:11
I don't care whether they should have had 3 penalties or not, we have suffered poor penalty decisions this season, so maybe the gods were smiling on us for a change.

I thought Gueye was really good: he doesn't let teams settle, he is in their faces – exactly what a central-midfield player should do.h

While Gomes may lack the ability to get round the pitch as much as he and we would like, he is an oasis of calm on the ball.

I am glad that Doucoure was moved back to midfield as I think while he did okay in the No 10 role; he gives us that much-needed energy in midfield.

Again, Jarrad Branthwaite oozed class, he has progressed all season and, for me, I don't see any flaws in his game. Given his height, he obviously dominates in the air but it's his coolness on the ball – and his great positional awareness for one so young is amazing.

I can't remember when we last scored 2 goals from outside the box, and what a change it makes to see Everton players shooting from outside the box – and more importantly, hitting the target.

But the most worrying aspect of our game is the lack of knowing what to do when we get to within 3 or 4 yards of the opponent's box. We end up knocking it wide and it being crossed into an area – not really aiming for anyone.

I don't know whether Calvert-Lewin is carrying an injury but he has been way off the pace all season and I am disappointed that Beto doesn't seem to have improved much since he joined us.

I know some will say where we would be without the points deduction, but we came out in the 2nd half and basically, for most of the game, tried to hang on. We did exactly the same thing against Burnley.

I just feel that, come the end of the season, we should thank Sean and his coaches as I can't watch anymore of some of the most appalling football I have seen in many a year. Yes, it might have produced enough points to stay safe… but I would like a little more than survival football.

Rob Jones
184 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:00:19
Brian, name me a manager you would trust with this appalling squad.

Pretty football is entirely optional right now. Preserving our Premier League status is not. Do you want an Everton that stays in the league, or an entertaining watch? Because I assure you, with this squad, you can't have both. I'll watch other matches as a neutral if I want to be entertained.

As for "thanking" Sean Dyche and his coaching staff, I suspect that the "thank you" would cost us several million quid that we don't have. There's then the risk of hiring some fancy manager who promises pretty football, who "gets the fans", and who leaves us needing to hire another Sean Dyche type.

I do not understand the "let's get rid of Sean Dyche" vibe on here. The man has outperformed his last two predecessors, with a worse squad than either of them had, spending less money, and having been forced under PSR to get rid of more players.

John Dingle
185 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:18:59
For once, a feel-good news story about our beloved Blues.

When I got to the ground yesterday my ticket from Football Ticket Pad would not download. No response from Ticket Pad by phone, email or chatbot.

In desperation, I went to the ticket office in the hope of buying another ticket. I explained to the young lady what had happened, she was very concerned and sympathetic, mind you, I was almost in tears.

She disappeared and came back with a ticket and gave it to me. I couldn't thank her enough, I should have get her name so I could have written and thanked her. I've written to the Ticket Office to thank them.

Don't you just love them when they get something right? — and we got 3 points.

Dave Abrahams
186 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:35:59
Being at the game, and watching the highlights a couple of times, I can honestly say I didn't think any of those penalty appeals deserved an award.

To read this thread and see some Everton fans debating over and over again why they should have been awarded seems very strange to me.

We didn't play great, there is too much stress on and off the field for that, but we deserved to win. I look at the league table now and then think what it would have looked like if we had lost and count my blessings.

Paul Cherrington
187 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:39:02
Massive win at the weekend and good to see us bounce back from the Chelsea result. Hopefully we will see the same against Luton and Sheffield Utd in particular to put relegation worries to bed. Well done to the players and management.

I just hope Forest don't mess things up with all their hysteria over the penalty claims. With how this season is going, you never know how the Premier League will react. Especially when it concerns Everton! We've had loads of poor VAR and refeering decisions this season and for many years previously with nothing being done.

Forest just need to suck it up and accept they lost. Just because you shout for enough penalties does not mean you should eventually get one.

If anything negative does come out of it for us, the club need to be just as vocal in return.

Paul Hewitt
188 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:45:52
In any normal season, we would be mathematically safe with 5 games to spare. I think, at the start of the season, most of us would have taken that.

It's not Dyche's fault he's been screwed over by the club's reckless spending. And the Premier League's corruption.

Brent Stephens
189 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:46:37
John #185 - nice story. Positive noises about the club.

Ian #181 "Andrew 179. We won't score more goals until the tactics change and we get more players forward offensively."

But we did score more goals. More goals than usual. More goals than the opposition. And got 3 points. Why the negativity, Ian? I don't understand it.

On the train back from the match yesterday, I scrolled through the Live Forum comments from the start and jeez the negativity time after time from some, the dire predictions about what the result was going to be – not mentioning any names, mind, Ian.

How embarrassing to make such dire certain predictions and be proved wrong.

Geoff Lambert
190 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:47:48
Everton to be docked a point for each dodgy VAR decision.
Paul Swan
191 Posted 22/04/2024 at 10:49:06
I thought the referee's performance was pathetic yesterday. Penalty incidents apart, I thought he had lost control on several occasions and there were several yellow card incidents that he let go up to a point where he started handing them out like sweets.

I never saw so many wrestling incidents in the box from corners by Forest which went unpunished. When he came on, Beto was getting ragged by their fat centre-half on every attack without punishment when the guy was on a yellow.

These impartiality issues have surfaced before. Do I remember well when we did not get the blatant handball by Man City a few years ago, it transpired that the VAR's family were season ticket holders there?

Ernie Baywood
192 Posted 22/04/2024 at 11:15:13
Tony 174 - yes the Forest player milked the first. That's not the 'contrived' bit I was referring to; it was about the idea that Forest have been bleating for a long time to develop the idea that the referees are unfair to them. Good on them if they have, because I don't know how anyone is supposed to get a fair shake with this broken system.

Moving on from that I find it really weird that people find it weird that Evertonians should debate penalty decisions or think that we might have conceded one or more.

It would be moronic (and I chose that word carefully, because it would require an incredible lack of intelligence) to think that you can't have an opinion on an event that landed in our favour, but maybe shouldn't.

Do I need to turn in my colours for considering that VAR is broken for not awarding that last penalty shout? Apparently that's how this works?

It was an indefensible decision within an indefensible system. As football fans we should be disappointed by what is happening to the game. That's completely distinct from feeling massively relieved that it went our way.

You can think and feel more than one thing.

Dave Abrahams
193 Posted 22/04/2024 at 11:33:57
Ernie (192),

Moronic or not, I find two or three goes is quite enough on the penalty debate, to go on endlessly like you have done is more than enough.

You don't have to change your colours to have an opinion but to comment on people's intelligence because they think you have gone on far too much about the incidents is similar to browbeating.

You are right that most fans should be disappointed in what is happening to our game but I never felt relieved or even thought that those decisions went our way during the game or even watching the highlights.

Pete Neilson
194 Posted 22/04/2024 at 11:46:40
Evangelos Marinakis owns both Forest and Olympiakos. He's tried the very public “Woe is us, the officials and authorities are out to get us” in Greece. Even threatening to quit the league because of VAR.

The whinging through the unquestioning media is a clear tactic of the owner, maybe it's just his personality? But contrived it is, a very deliberate public playing out of alleged bias by the authorities against his clubs. Could be coincidence but I doubt it.

Employing Clattenburg is to give his whinging a coating of authority. I don't really care what happens to Forest but don't buy into their victimhood.

Steve Brown
195 Posted 22/04/2024 at 11:57:19
Ashley Young has done a brilliant social media post today!

“Old Skool Tunes for Today” - Cry Me a River By Justin Timberlake.

Forest should stop their pathetic whinging. These things even out over the course of a season, and I also do not think any of the three decisions merited a further review on the pitchside monitor.

Ian Edwards
196 Posted 22/04/2024 at 12:02:27
Brent 189. I wasn't specifically referring to the Forest game.

I was commenting on the season as a whole. We are the lowest league scorers which in my view is down to one up front and inverted wide mids.

Ian Wilkins
197 Posted 22/04/2024 at 12:36:53
It was Nottingham Forest that the Premier League advocated for and the Independent panel awarded 2 mitigation points back for exceptional behaviour.

Everton not so good, half a point. Looks a bit shallow now…

Christopher Timmins
198 Posted 22/04/2024 at 13:14:34
Maybe AI will be the solution to the VAR issue, hopefully, with a built in bias for us.
Steven Sturm
199 Posted 22/04/2024 at 13:17:18
The problem with AI, Christopher, is that it learns from past events.

Any AI employed in VAR would simply learn to award more penalties to the Sky favourites.

Tony Abrahams
200 Posted 22/04/2024 at 13:31:53
I think history has shown us that, when the lower teams kick up a fuss, then they end up getting sweet fuck-all off the referees for the next however many fixtures, and this looks like where Forest are currently at.

Hopefully Forest have got proof that Stuart Atwell is a Luton fan because otherwise, they have only contrived to show themselves as being moronic. But, if they have done their homework, and this is found to be true then the Premier League really won't have a leg to stand on with so many people already having feelings that they are corrupt.

Tony Abrahams
201 Posted 22/04/2024 at 13:46:17
After listening to a few exasperated people, I decided to watch the highlights and thought that Forest had a case for claim number three, but I've just watched it again on Sky and it reminded me a little bit of the one Man Utd got at Goodison earlier in the season and I was absolutely fuming when that one was given.

The Forest player didn't deserve a penalty, that was my latest conclusion because I thought he waited for Ashley Young instead of getting across and away from him with more aggression. Who'd be a referee!!

Who'd be a referee? Have a nightmare, get loads wrong, and whilst everyone is arguing about your ineptitude, you don't even have to open your mouth and explain yourself?

On second thoughts, what a job, although when you think about it logically, there's a very unpleasant word for people who cause murder and then slope away leaving everyone else to fight!

Peter Mills
202 Posted 22/04/2024 at 13:49:58
Dave #193, as an attendee at Goodison yesterday, I too felt no sense of relief or good fortune during the game.

In fact, it was only about an hour after the final whistle, when I saw a WhatsApp message from our American refereeing friend, Mr Gaynes, that I learned we had been on the right side of some apparently dubious decisions. They certainly weren't “clear and obvious” errors to me.

Talking of which, I cannot believe that the VAR was ever intended to determine that a toe was offside at the precise moment a ball some distance away was struck. It was a decision worthy of Clive Thomas which robbed Coventry City of a magical day.

Dave Abrahams
203 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:04:01
Tony (200),

Even if Forest have proof that Atwell is a Luton fan, it wouldn't make much difference unless it was proved that he had made a biased decision.

I think that Riley (I can't remember his first name) was a proven Reds fan along with his two sons and I think he refereed many Everton games.

Grant Rorrison
204 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:19:12
Why would an official being a Luton fan cause him to not give penalties to Forest in a game between the two sides Luton have any real chance of catching?

It would have made more sense if he helped to contrive a draw between both us and Forest.

Tony Abrahams
205 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:21:33
I beg to differ Dave, but unless this comes out in the wash, there’s no point arguing about it, because I think we both agree that we didn’t feel anything really dodgy went on yesterday,
Frank Crewe
206 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:27:07
There is no legal redress for losing a game of football. All sports have officials and they don't always make the correct decisions. But every competitor or team knows this before they start.

I'm with Carragher and Neville on this one. Forest, without a scrap of evidence, have publicly accused a properly appointed official of cheating. This has become a thing in Premier League football and has to be stamped out. So I expect the powers that be to come down hard on Forest.

Rich owners have to be shown this veiled "legal action" sabre rattling is not acceptable and won't be tolerated. If they don't like their club losing matches, then perhaps they shouldn't be owning them in the first place.

Ian Edwards
207 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:35:41
Tony 200.

It is known that Atwell is a Luton fan.

I've read articles about which Refs support which teams and Atwell has featured. I know a Luton fan and he has previously told me that Atwell's Brother is a Luton season ticket holder.

Ray Roche
208 Posted 22/04/2024 at 14:37:04
Dave A, are you thinking of Mike Dean whose sons were RS season ticket holders? He is apparently a Tranmere fan…!
Dale Self
209 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:04:37
Jumping in front of a defender to create contact without a decent chance of controlling possession does not justify a penalty.

The touch on Reyna was perhaps a closer call but he embellished which indicates a lack of justifiable contact for a call in the box. We have paid our dues.

Rob Halligan
210 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:06:58
It seems like Forest are just digging a bigger hole for themselves, and are going to land in more of the proverbial brown stuff. Apparently they did not ask for the PGMOL to remove Attwell from VAR, so why did they tweet that they had? Sounds like they are trying to backtrack on what they said to prevent further punishment from the FA…

Forest ask PGMOL to release VAR audio from Everton game

Rob Halligan
211 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:10:41
Dale # 209…

For the first penalty incident, the way Reyna threw himself to the floor probably convinced the officials that he had dived, so why wasn't he booked for diving? There may well have been contact from Young, but enough to make him go to ground? I don't think so.

Rob Halligan
213 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:26:45
Forest now asking for the audio to be made public from yesterday. Should be a good listen! 😄😄😄
Stephen Vincent
214 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:27:45
For what it's worth, from my seat in the Lower Bullens opposite the Street End penalty spot, I thought both the first-half Forest claims were penalties. The first, just look at the way Young reacts, he knows he is in danger. And the second, if the ball does not hit Young's arm, Wood has a clear opportunity to score.

As has already been said, if they were in the Forest box, we would have been irate if we didn't get them.

Alan J Thompson
215 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:30:26
Anything that causes a review of VAR is welcome as there is, to say the least, a lack of consistency both with its decisions and the guideline of clear and obvious errors.

But I expect there will be as much effort as there has been to improve the standard of officiating in England.

Dale Self
216 Posted 22/04/2024 at 15:47:07
You got me Rob! There was that as well as Elliott Red Shite raising both hands in the air to block a Wolves cross into the box. No card there either. Standards, harumpf!
Walter White
217 Posted 22/04/2024 at 16:14:57
The sheer brass neck on that media whore Clattenburg.

Who the fuck does he think he is? A shite, as good as corrupt referee on his day, now in this made-up role at Forest thinking he has a say over on-field decisions.

I hope Forest go down, that appointment and the bellend fans deserve nothing less.


Dave Abrahams
218 Posted 22/04/2024 at 16:53:03
Ray @208, Yes, Mike Dean, that's the fella. A Tranmere fan? That's even worse!

Being honest, there isn't one present referee who you could describe as being efficient and too many leave the VAR to make the decisions for them. Although it is a stretch to say they are corrupt, I think many are guilty of being biased.

You see the same foul being committed in the same game being punished and not punished by the same referee, so Ernie is correct in saying we would all like it sorted out.

Mike Gaynes
219 Posted 22/04/2024 at 17:02:53
You guys are gonna love this. From the Guardian (and definitely read through to Young's brilliant finish at the end):

It would be far too easy to criticise Nottingham Forest in the wake of their latest self-pitying tirade at the Professional Game Match Officials Limited, which is convenient because that is exactly what Football Daily intends to do. Following their defeat against Everton, a game in which Forest were denied three penalties – one stone-waller and two 50-50 shouts on the tried and trusted Seen-‘Em-Given-O-Meter – the serial whingers from the City Ground published a tweet in which they criticised all three decisions, suggested the PGMOL and the game’s Luton-supporting video assistant referee Stuart Attwell were corrupted and harked back to assorted other decisions they feel have gone against them before pompously signing off by announcing that “NFFC will now consider its options”. And on Monday the club asked the PGMOL to release audio recordings between officials to ensure “the integrity of our sport is upheld”.

Quite apart from the fact that a win for Everton didn’t really suit Luton and that the only option Forest can reasonably expect to consider is whether to pay the whacking great fine they’re inevitably be going to landed with by cash or card, Football Daily can’t help but feel the club’s paranoid hierarchy might be better served pondering the fact that the only reason they’re actually in the Premier League is because Huddersfield were denied two clear penalties in the playoff final won by Forest at Wembley the season before last.....

Having been called upon by Gary Neville to resign from his weird position as refereeing consultant at the City Ground in order to distance himself from the conspiracy theories of tinfoil hat-wearing employers who had complained about the appointment of Attwell before, as well as after, their defeat, former referee Mark “Clatts” Clattenburg elected instead to double down on the club’s stance in Monday’s Daily Mail. “Certainly, I would not have risked this situation if I were the head of the referees and all of this could have been avoided had the PGMOL simply made smarter appointments,” blathered Clattenburg in a column, where he made no mention of himself being on the Forest payroll and was therefore taking a completely one-eyed view of proceedings but had the clanging brass balls to suggest that Attwell’s decisions, or lack of them, might have been rooted in unconscious bias.....

The main protagonist in all three of Sunday’s “extremely poor decisions”, Ashley Young, must have left Goodison Park unable to believe his luck. Today on Instachat, in a post accompanied by two winky-face emojis, the Everton defender announced he was listening to an “Old Skool tune” by Justin Timberlake. The track in question? Cry Me A River. Touché.

Dale Self
220 Posted 22/04/2024 at 17:12:18
That is a whale of a story, Mike!
Henrik Lyngsie
221 Posted 22/04/2024 at 17:28:05
Maybe Forest is just putting themselves in this victim position ahead of the verdict on their appeal.
Could this put pressure on the appeal board to reduce the 4 points deduction?
Mark Taylor
222 Posted 22/04/2024 at 17:38:11
I think it will be a long time before a match is played and at least one of those decisions doesn't get a penalty. That said, Forest will deserve the punishment they'll get for that statement.

That result was critical, I think it makes it very unlikely now that we'll go down and the bookies agree, having us at around 12-1 which is pretty long odds.

As for the performance, it is what it is, we've seen similar so very many times. The second half was a bit better, but the first half, we were dreadful again, not least the set pieces. I'm not sure whether the players are rubbish, the manager is rubbish, or both, or the club's horrible position has destroyed morale and stability. Probably a bit of all 3 and I don't underestimate the last. Every player's agent must be looking for an exit option, if they are doing their job.

We now have what I regard as a free hit, which is a bit of a luxury. I hope the players see it that way and stop looking like they are terrified. Arguably the RS have more cause to be.

I agree that Young was far from dreadful in general play, but he is an accident waiting to happen, especially against Jota or Diaz. Godfrey or Garner are not solutions, but they carry slightly less risk of a penalty or a red card.

I wonder if we'll also see a bit more of Danjuma and Chermiti, especially the latter. We might at least learn whether a player we have actually bought has anything to offer.

Ray Robinson
223 Posted 22/04/2024 at 19:04:17
I must live in an alternative universe because having seen the third Forest penalty claim again a few times, I still can’t work out who played the ball first. The pundits seemed to think it was clearly and obviously not Young.

Also, even with lines drawn, I can’t see why Coventry’s “winner” was offside. Is level offside?

Mike Gaynes
224 Posted 22/04/2024 at 19:22:29
Mark #222, I have no idea how in the world you're seeing a club with "destroyed morale and stability."

I'm seeing a club with nothing but.

Catastrophic points deductions, waves of injuries and a distinct lack of competitive talent have not impacted this team's heart one bit. They've had every reason to throw in the towel. They have not.

I credit the manager and our two center backs. I think Tark's leadership has been little short of magnificent.

Mark Taylor
225 Posted 22/04/2024 at 20:04:55

I wasn't asserting that, I was musing whether 'the club's horrible position' – which I don't think is open to debate – is impacting morale, confidence, focus, self-belief, which I think my post was simply suggesting might be a consequence.

I think it goes beyond just a tub thumping type of morale, hugging and back slapping. In the end, these are employees and if your employer is as unstable as Everton is right now, such distractions might easily cause the quality of your work to suffer. For a start, some of these players should be worried about their future and getting a new job. That is a distraction (as well, in some circumstances, a motivation). Many of these are young and inexperienced and may be badly impacted when it seems as though things are so up in the air.

However you appear to have concluded the players are optimising their performances. I'm not persuaded but if you're right, it must be one of the other two causes. And if I followed that line of thought, because I honestly don't believe this squad are quite as lousy footballers as their performances this year suggest, then it must be the manager.

Christy Ring
226 Posted 22/04/2024 at 20:25:19
Mark Clattenburg is being paid as a Forest adviser, and for his column in the rag the Mail, just because he was a referee and a poor one at that. (I will never forget Kuyt's karate kick on Neville and Carragher's assault on Lescott.)

But what right would he have to even ring Howard Webb, as a Forest employee before a game?

Dale Self
227 Posted 22/04/2024 at 20:43:28
By the way, Young played that well but we all know Joe Cocker owns that song.

That reminds me, I haven't heard 'High Time We Went' in a while. Hit it.

Phil Lewis
228 Posted 23/04/2024 at 10:20:32
Oh for the pre-VAR days when football was still a sport.

The referee's decision was final, end of story. Instantaneous decisions, euphoric or dejected fans and plenty to debate in the pub afterwards.

Nowadays, the game bows to the whims of the megarich media moguls and the faceless robots determining its outcome.

Gerry Quinn
229 Posted 23/04/2024 at 12:34:48
Former Nottingham Forest star Steve Cook lauded VAR in comments that look increasingly ironic after the club's explosive statement following the defeat to Everton.

Cook spent 18 months with Forest after joining the Midlands side in January 2022, helping them to promotion that same year. Their ticket to the Premier League was secured via the Championship play-offs.

Forest faced Huddersfield Town at Wembley and ultimately went up thanks to an own-goal from Levi Colwill. But the Terriers were left feeling hard done by following a number of controversial decisions.

During the victory parade which followed Forest's win, Cook alluded to the incidents and the officiating team. The Englishman praised VAR, though he did later admit that his feelings can change depending on the game.

“We'll thank (referee) Jon Moss today - what a fucking guy! We love VAR! Up the Tricky Trees," Cook told the crowd of supporters gathered in Nottingham city centre.

Mike Gaynes
230 Posted 23/04/2024 at 16:17:16
Mark #225, not quite... I think the players have optimized their effort and commitment.

Performance quality is another question. We have good players who have performed poorly all season -- Dom, Dwight (surely due to the horror in his home life) and Seamus.

We have good players who performed great at our December peak and have fallen off badly -- Onana, Garner, Harrison, Gana (until Sunday).

But we have no top players beyond our own goal box. Match our starting lineups with most of our opponents, and man-for-man they're just more talented. Even Luton and Burnley are faster than we are. A lot faster. Luton has scored half a goal a game more than we have. Huge difference in attacking talent.

And even with that and everything going on around the club, we still have ten wins, and we're still staying up. I say that makes Dyche damn near Moses. He has parted the waters and led us to safety. It's one of the most amazing managerial performances I have ever seen.

Mike Gaynes
231 Posted 23/04/2024 at 16:24:07
Gerry #229,

I have always loved Cook. What a wrecking crew he was. When he was at Bournemouth, I thought we should have bought him instead of Keane. Twice the player at half the price.

But if I recall correctly, he was one of the players who got away with a penalty against Huddersfield. Forest's promotion was a gift from Moss and he knew it. That's why Forest's hysteria over Sunday is so embarrassing.

Mark Taylor
232 Posted 23/04/2024 at 16:33:36

So, in essence, you are saying the cause is really all down to the players and their (lack of) quality and certainly consistency.

It's actually the fall off from the earlier season form (as far as one can call it that) for some players, certainly the 4 you mention, that led me to think the club instability is having an effect. Impossible to say but I feel it cannot have zero impact, If you put Dyche on a lie detector, I'm sure he'd confess just how horrible things are; even now, he alludes to it in his interviews.

It may be wishful thinking but I believe we do have a top class outfielder in Branthwaite. I'm not sure it's fair to call it only 'promise' nowadays. You might apply that to Chermiti, but Jarrad strikes me as a 'ready to go' high-class player, more so than Stones at the same point in time.

In fact, very soon, I think he'll be one of the team's leaders, assuming he stays, because it is obvious richer clubs have spotted his capabilities. I'm not all that bothered about who exits, even Pickford, but if we don't try and keep Branthwaite, I feel we're giving up.

Raymond Fox
233 Posted 23/04/2024 at 16:53:34
The only problem with VAR is that there are some incompetents making the decisions.

Why we are still talking about penalties for them I really don't know.

But my two penneth is that only the third was a penalty, the first wasnt, he threw himself on the ground when he felt Young bang the back of his boot, the second wasn't one because the ball hit his arm not the other way round. So in my eyes they were still beat.

The old rule was best when it had to look like it was a deliberate hand ball, that one didnt.

We have a game in hand on the others which tomorrow's game counts as that one. The following 3 games are all games we have an excellent chance of gaining points, so how you approach the derby is a hard one.

Dyche will have to give the game his best shot, but we definitely don't want injuries because we are very close to safe now.

Michael Kenrick
234 Posted 23/04/2024 at 17:49:39
The Times now reporting:

Nottingham Forest to be sent VAR audio after row over Everton game

The full story is behind a paywall but Goal.com report that:

Nottingham Forest will be handed the VAR audio from their controversial clash with Everton but it will not be made public.

I can't believe they are indulging them with this. Although perhaps in their eyes (ears?) it simply reinforces the referee's decisions.

And they must know, if they do this, it will become public.

Lyndon Lloyd
235 Posted 23/04/2024 at 18:06:08
It could be made public anyway, as the article goes on to state:

The Times understands the audio will not be made public as it was when Liverpool made the same request after Luis Díaz's goal against Tottenham Hotspur in September was wrongly disallowed for offside.

The reason for the difference is that Díaz's disallowed goal was down to a factual communication error, whereas the three incidents at Goodison were not.

It is still possible that the audio could be released as part of the Match Officials Mic'd Up programme, where PGMOL's chief refereeing officer Howard Webb reviews key and contentious decisions. That is due to air next Tuesday but at the moment no decision has been made as to which games will feature.

Rob Halligan
236 Posted 23/04/2024 at 18:06:49
Sky Sports News saying that Forest wanted to release their statement at half time on Sunday. So it was already prepared.

Just making themselves look bigger arseholes than what they already are! 😄😄😄

Mike Gaynes
237 Posted 23/04/2024 at 18:32:06
Mark #232, yep, that's what I'm saying. And yes, the club instability may be a big factor.

Sheer speculation here but I think the club will make every desperate effort to keep Branthwaite, if only for one more season, and Pickford. But they have to want to stay, and if Carlo comes in for Jarrad with a £70m offer and a ticket to Madrid, let's face it, he's gone.

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