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Jack Harrison is not quite ready and won't be included in this week's squad having turned out for the U21s instead

Everton travel to the Capital for the first time this season to take on Brentford with Sean Dyche and his men still looking for their first win of the Premier League campaign.

The Blues were beaten at home for the third time last week when they went down 1-0 to title-chasing Arsenal and thus far, the only point they have picked up has been on the road at Sheffield United.

There were plenty of positive aspects about Everton's attacking display at Bramall Lane and Dyche will be hoping to build on those at the Gtech Community Stadium in the televised Saturday evening game.

The manager finally has two fit centre-forward options from which to choose now that Dominic Calvert-Lewin is fit again and though Beto started last weekend against the Gunners, Dyche has the option of rotating his strikers or even deploying them together in a 4-4-2.

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In his press conference at Finch Farm yesterday, Dyche hinted that he might not have the midfield personnel to pull off a twin-striker formation and Beto's pace on the counter-attack might give him the edge over Calvert-Lewin who looked a little ring rusty coming off the bench last Sunday.

In terms of other attacking outlets, the trip to London comes too soon for Jack Harrison who isn't quite fit enough to make his debut but turned out for the Under-21s this evening to get some minutes under his belt which means Dwight McNeil, Arnaut Danjuma and Abdoulaye Doucouré are likely to round out the forward four ahead of Amadou Onana and Idrissa Gueye.

Seamus Coleman remains some way off being available and André Gomes, who failed to secure a move away during the summer transfer window, has been struggling with injury and is also ruled out.

Brentford, meanwhile, will be without one of their more effective players in Rico Henry who is expected to be out for the remainder of the season after suffering a serious knee injury. Ivan Toney is still working through his long suspension, midfielder Mikkel Damsgaard is doubtful while Neal Maupay is ineligible to face his parent club.

Thomas Frank is able to welcome back Kristoffer Ajer, though, following his recovery from injury as the 11th-place Bees look to win for the first time since their 3-0 triumph at Fulham 19th August, with two home draws and a narrow defeat at Newcastle since. 

The last time these two sides met in this fixture, Everton will have felt as though they could have won under Frank Lampard took but home a valuable point. This time, if they can go one step farther and collect all three points, they could significantly lighten the mood at the club and relieve the enormous pressure that would be on the two upcoming home games against Luton and Bournemouth. 

Kick-off: 5:30pm, Saturday 23 September, 2023
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: Graham Scott
Last Time:
Brentford 1 - 1 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Onana, McNeil, Danjuma, Doucouré, Beto


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Tony Mace
1 Posted 22/09/2023 at 16:01:31
A win tomorrow puts a different slant on things as it will build confidence and its followed by 2 "winnable" ;-) home games. With key players coming back to fitness I cant see why not.

On the flip side I think anything but a home win against Luton will see Mr Dyche - toast.

Anything but the lifeless display against Arsenal will do

At the same time hoping never to see Kenwright or Moshiri anywhere near Goodison or the new stadium.

I live in hope

John Hood
2 Posted 22/09/2023 at 19:49:40
Bees fan here... hope no one takes this amiss.

I actually think that Everton might get something. I expect them to defend in depth and look to score on the counter. Brentford have conceded soft goals this season which is unlike them and, while having the highest xG in the P.L. have been rather wasteful in front of goal.

The loss of Rico Henry for the season is a devastating blow for a small squad. It greatly diminishes their threat down the left hand side although Aaron Hickey is a very capable replacement.The first goal tomorrow is very important.

If Everton can get it, Brentford might struggle as they prefer to play with c 40% possession themselves rather than dominate it.

Everton's off-the-field position is a different matter. Who knows what the future holds, but to give some sort of perspective, it is only 15 years since BFC came out of League 2 following a near death experience at the hands of R. Noades Esq.

Perhaps a future PhD student could fruitfully write a thesis on how the two clubs are run.

Anyway, best of luck for rest of season...after tomorrow! I don't think your team is quite as poor as some suggest.

Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 22/09/2023 at 19:52:01
Welcome back John. It is unfortunate for you all with Henry on top of Toney. Hopefully after tomorrow you guys will find some goals elsewhere in the team.
John Keating
4 Posted 22/09/2023 at 19:58:01
Well one thing is for sure, we can't carry on as we have been doing.
The excuses that we've played well in a couple of games and deserved more, well maybe we did, but we didn't did we!!

3,1,4,2 for me with DCL and Beto up top
Patterson, Taks, Branthwaite
Danjuma, Garner, McNeil
DCL, Beto

Minimum 4 points next 2 games

Brent Stephens
5 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:05:35
John, that team of yours is down to 10 men already!
Raymond Fox
6 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:31:31
I'm a pessimist by nature, but somthing tells me we may get a result tomorrow, sorry John.

No great insight really, but I think with DCL fit and Danjuma and Beto available we have some goals in us.

Alan McGuffog
7 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:41:07
John...got a soft spot for the Bees,..the acceptable face of London football.
Off on holiday on Monday, meeting up with my cousin whose husband is a Brentford fan and an all round decent chap. But I'm certain there'll be banter over a glass or two of raki 😊
Pat Kelly
8 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:44:52
Confidence is the missing ingredient for us. If we concede first then it’s a long, difficult road back with little belief.

How do we approach it ? Sit back, try and soak up the pressure and hope to score on the counter ? Or go out confidently on the front foot. This is Dyche we’re talking about. We know what he’ll do.

John Keating
9 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:44:55
Brent you're right so let's put Doucoure in there,
Rich Howlin
10 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:48:08
I don’t know “John”, but with all due respect it feels like sleeping with the enemy. We need to go down and destroy Brentford.
Mark Murphy
11 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:49:18
Shit! Got my ticket for tomorrow but only just realised it’s our silver wedding anniversary and I’ve booked a dinner and hotel with my wife.
If anyone is interested in taking my seat, its at Quaglinos, the tables booked for 7pm and my wife’s name is Joanne. She likes Prosecco and foot massage.
Christine Foster
12 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:51:12
Mark hahaha, very good!
Dave Abrahams
13 Posted 22/09/2023 at 20:56:12
John (2), always nice to hear from you John and I hope you are correct that Everton might get something from tomorrows game, a point would be nice but as we are a bit desperate, even this early in the season, I’m being greedy and hope we get all three, best of luck to Brentford after tomorrow and best wishes to you and good health.
Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:02:38
Mark (11),

You might be a woolly but you've got a load of Scouse humour. I'll try and get to Quaglino's for 7:00 pm with a couple of bottles of Prosecco and I'm not bad at foot massaging but I'm getting on so she'll have to be content with that.

See you soon I hope!!

Tony Abrahams
15 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:05:33
You have always been very fair when you have posted on this website, John Hood, so hopefully us Evertonians we will finally get a little bit of luck tomorrow!

Brentford have done fantastically well since returning to the top flight, but because I don't watch as much football nowadays, I had never really been impressed by your team. I have only watched in the flesh (the FA Cup game & then the one when Oliver, who is the same ref tomorrow, couldn't wait to send Branthwaite off, 10 seconds after he should have awarded us a penalty, to maybe go two up?) but that all changed at Goodison, earlier this year.

We got the victory, but I left the ground very impressed with Brentford, and thought your second-half performance definitely deserved at least a point. If you would have scored one, then I had a feeling that you would have gone on to win the game.

The Bees have really begun to consolidate themselves now in the big league, meaning that an Everton victory would actually be deemed a shock by most neutrals tomorrow. Good luck for the season, John, starting from 8 O'Clock tomorrow night. 👍

Mark Murphy
16 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:12:13
Dave, I’m getting on a bit myself but she’s 17 years younger than me….
Oh yes…
Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:12:49
Dave, you are only good for tripping over your own feet, mate, so don’t forget to take your walking stick!
Andy Meighan
18 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:16:00
John @2, my father is an ex-Bees player, believe it or not.

He played with Ron Greenwood and Jimmy Hill in the '50s, so me and my brothers have obviously always had a soft spot for Brentford.

The old fella actually made a couple of first-team appearances – as (after a few drinks) he was fond of telling anyone who'd listen.

Anyway, I digress. I can honestly say I'm glad Henry is out because I really rate that lad.

That said, I still think yous will have too much for us tomorrow because, quite honestly at the moment, we are so easy to play against.

It looks like it's going to be the same midfield that will not contribute anything therefore for me that equals defeat.

If I see Beto ploughing a lone furrow tomorrow without any service, I'll consider ending it all.

Matt Byrne
19 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:37:04
Thanks, Mark, for making me laugh out loud. A superb bit of comedy.

I've Just screen-shot it and sent it to my own younger wife also called Joanne! Haha!

Jim Bennings
20 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:40:40
Hearing Sean's press conference again, pretty much same old same old wasn't it.

"He's on grass but not training with the team"

"All the noise"

"We are working hard to change things"

"The problems have been here long before I came here"

That's pretty much what I keep hearing from the manager but it's up to him to start putting things right.

I need to start seeing this team that Dyche is supposed to make his stock and trade which is working their bollocks off during the games, because I just haven't seen it at all, probably since we beat Arsenal in Dyche's first game in February.

I don't need to be some analyst to see that Everton don't work hard off the ball, we don't.

Our set pieces are so boringly predictable, mix it up a bit, bring something else to the table, that's down to the manager and his coaching staff surely?

Dyche has won 5 games in 22 league matches, that's worse than Lampard.

Again, we don't need experts to tell us that football is results based, if that record should continue then this manager will lose his job sooner rather than later.

Matt Byrne
21 Posted 22/09/2023 at 21:47:13
Dyche lost a lot of goodwill last week. That lame, weak and shameful showing raises real alarm bells. 5 wins is it now since the end of January.

Fully understand he's had no cash but surely we should have shown more than that feeble capitulation, waiting to lose, as Gary Neville said.

Jim Bennings
22 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:04:39
Matt @21,

That's a fair point.

I really don't want to see another managerial change at this club, I think it's mental the amount we've gone through but I just don't see how Dyche can continue if this run carries on.

I wanted Dyche to succeed, much like I wanted Lampard to succeed before him.

I had hopes that he would make us hard to beat, like when Moyes came through the door back in 2002, but it's not been the case sadly.

Tomorrow is a huge game and in my eyes, so too is the Villa game in midweek. We are not in a position where we can just pass up opportunities now, we need to earn some respect and trust back and reconnect a bond with the players and fans.

Bobby Mallon
23 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:05:00
Jim Bennings.

Well bloody said. His record is fooking shite!

Raymond Fox
24 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:11:39
Sniping at the manager isn't going to help anyone. How many managers have we had now, I've lost count?

So according to some none were any good, I don't think that adds up. That's been part of our problem, the players have not had the same manager for enough time to settle into any sort of system.

Neil Lawson
25 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:11:46
Why would you select the same starting 11 as last week when they were awful?
Mark Andrews
26 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:15:58
I'm at a stage where I expect Everton to lose every game. What a terrible place to be.
Rob Hooton
27 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:18:10
I've managed to get a couple of tickets off a Brentford fan for tomorrow, so looking forward to taking my dad to the match – even though we'll be with the Brentford fans and having to sit on our hands so I don't get my mate in trouble with his season tickets!

As I've lived down this way for a long time, I've been to Brentford a lot over the years and it's a great club. We desperately need some points though and I hope to be coming home a happy Evertonian.

Dyche is running out of time to get more out of his team, might have players coming back in the nick of time. I'd be over the moon with a 2-1 victory to the Blues tomorrow, I would also be happy with a well earned point and an improved performance.

Rob Halligan
28 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:18:23
Neil # 25… who said it's going to be the same starting eleven as last week?

Rob # 27… seeing as you've just posted, and therefore still on the site, do you know the way to The Bell and Crown pub down by the river? I'm going by coach tomorrow, and hoping to meet Danny and a couple more mates down at that pub, should we get there with plenty of time to spare, that is.

Neil Lawson
29 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:22:27
Lyndon. Not usually wrong.
Rob Halligan
30 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:27:09
Okay!! 🙄🙄
Brendan McLaughlin
31 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:35:09
Mark #26

It's football...anything can happen.

Keep the faith!

Jim Wilson
32 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:36:26
I think the Premier League will soon announce that Micheal Oliver will be the ref for all Everton games.

We don't need an impending points deduction as it has already been done in bucket loads over the last few seasons, many thanks to confessed Everton hater Oliver.

Jon Harding
33 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:39:48
Top man, Mark Murphy, very funny!
Enjoy the game.
Dom Kearney
34 Posted 22/09/2023 at 22:54:10

You are a very fair fan. I've seen you post many times before. I'm a teacher in Brentford and have great craic with the boys I teach. If I could go to the match tomorrow, I would. Unfortunately, no joy.

Hoping for a great match and an Everton win! UTFT!

Jim Lloyd
35 Posted 22/09/2023 at 23:29:25
Depends who Dyche plays. I think if he persists in having a midfield of Doucouré, Gueye and Onana, then I think we will be lucky to win.

I'd like him to choose a 4-4-2 with McNeil, Garner, Danjuma and Harrison in the midfield. If Harrison isn't fit, then put Gueye in with Garner and McNeil and Danjuma wide, with Beto and Calvert-Lewin up front. Patterson, Branthwaite, Tarkowski and Mykolenko at the back.

All athletic, bar one and maybe he won't have to do as much running if playing with the other three midfielders.

John (2) a nice post and welcome. Just for tomorrow, I'd like to see us both win, but we're more desperate than your team. After that, then I wish you the best of luck and a good season.

Rob Hooton
36 Posted 22/09/2023 at 00:03:53
Rob, thanks, will try and get down there as I know where it is – it would be great to say hello.

The only issue is that we have friends over tomorrow, and my wife's already got the slight hump with me going to the match, so I'll do well to get a couple of pints in! She's understanding though, she knows how we suffer.

Mark Taylor
37 Posted 23/09/2023 at 00:53:27
I'm typically with the likes of Mark's post (26). I'm even beginning to think Dyche is going through the motions, having half given up with this group of habitual losers. And of course we edge closer to being bust which must be on everyone's mind. Hence there is no logic in anything other than another beating.

But on this occasion, I have a hunch we will get something, in fact I'm thinking a win in a tight game. I have absolutely no basis for this at all. Maybe I'm just getting frustrated being a pessimist, but surely every dog has its day...

Kunal Desai
38 Posted 23/09/2023 at 01:25:42
Jim, isn't it 5 wins in 24 games. W5, D 8, L11.

Weird thing is I actually think we are going to win tomorrow 1-2. I'm generally a realist but tomorrow just get that strange vibe we'll do it.

Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 23/09/2023 at 02:50:09
John #2, thanks for dropping in. Your Bees are actually my (distant) second team in the Premier League.

I helped a dear Irish friend who was a 30-year Bees loyalist cheer you on through League One and the Championship, consoling him through the agonies of the many times you came so close to promotion. It was an emotional day for both of us when you finally came up top.

Which is why he never teases me about the fact that his club is now better than mine.

But we have to steal a win in this game. I'll be at Goodison next weekend and I don't want to feel like I'm walking into a funeral.

Derek Knox
40 Posted 23/09/2023 at 05:03:36
John @ 2, always nice to hear the views of an away team's fan and perspective on the upcoming game. There is definitely something missing from my standpoint, and, although I didn't watch the game live last Sunday against Arsenal, I did watch the highlights.

We just seemed to go through the motions before a goal was even scored, with the attitude (maybe wrong) that we aren't going to beat these again, so try damage limitation. I still believe, rightly or wrongly, that Garner should have played in the last game, and again in this, but if Lyndon's team prediction is right, and he usually is, why is he not included?

Steve Brown
41 Posted 23/09/2023 at 05:57:57
My expectations are so low, I would just accept anything if we at least have it a crack.

Team I would pick

Young Tarks Branthwaite Mykolenko
Garner Gana
Dobbins Danjuma McNeil

Lyndon Lloyd
42 Posted 23/09/2023 at 06:39:06
Nell (25), if I'm right, you'd have to ask Dyche!

My predictions are based on what I think the manager will do. As I said on the latest TW podcast this week, if it were up to me, James Garner would be in central midfield and only one of Onana and Gueye plays in the No 6 role, even if neither is especially suited to it.

I'd also start Patterson over Young because the latter offers nothing going forward.

Rob Halligan
43 Posted 23/09/2023 at 06:52:43
Rob # 36…

Sorry mate, I don't think I made myself very clear. As I am going by coach and will be dropped off at the stadium, I need directions on how to get to the Bell and Crown down by the river.

I know it's only about a 10-minute walk, but no idea which way. I guess the stewards around the ground will know, unless there is anybody else on here who knows?

Mark Murphy
44 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:18:41
Christine Foster? Did I meet you in the Netley back in the day?? With Steal and Becky and the old NTAS??
Terry Farrell
45 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:23:18
I would swap Patterson for Young and Garner for Doucouré.
Mark Murphy
46 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:29:10
Rob, from the ground, head back to the station and approach the bridge from the left. Go down to the near river bank and walk along it (to the left) and the pub's just along there. Have a great time! UTFT
Danny O’Neill
47 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:31:02
John, good to hear from you again and always good to discuss with a fellow football supporter. Having lived down here since 2004, and with Brentford now the closest Premier League ground to where I live (Uxbridge area), I have watched how your club has steadily progressed. What a great example of a well-run club.

You have a great manager/coach who I respect (and wanted!!). I've mentioned before, I used to coach the Hayes & Yeading youth teams and Brentford's youth teams, at the time, used to train on adjacent pitches in Uxbridge, so I used to observe them a lot.

I have a lot of respect for Brentford and their journey is often overlooked. They've come a long way. Nice stadium, although a bit of an odd shape and I still don't know how it got fitted into that space. And very close to your previous ground.

Well, it's matchday. I hope those players have reflected on last week and the season so far. I hope they are as up for it as we are and will be. Don't suck the life out of us as you did last week. You have something to prove, so stand up and be counted.

Football is unpredictable. Who says we can't get anything today? We can. The first win is coming, let's hope it's today and we surprise many. I revert back to Brighton last season. Very few gave us a chance.

Rob, Neil and all, let's hope the M6, M25 and M4 is favourable to you on your trip down.

Into the Bees' Nest we go…

Rob Halligan
48 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:33:59
Cheers Mark.
Neil Lawson
49 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:39:34
Lyndon @42.

A bad result today and a couple more in the coming weeks, you may well get your chance to pick the team. Doubt any current manager will want the job!

Frank Sheppard
50 Posted 23/09/2023 at 07:56:03
Another matchday sinking feeling. Changes needed in midfield, got to change one of Doucouré, Onana, or Gueye in midfield and probably replace with Garner.

Need to stop giving the ball away so often, and have some rather than no creativity. Hopefully they have done some work on set-piece delivery.

Worried about Everton Nil as usual. Hope I am wrong, remember Brighton away last season. COYB.

Kevin Edward
51 Posted 23/09/2023 at 08:00:52
After last week's show, I'm not expecting much joy. Come on, Dyche, surprise me. Get on the front foot with the ball, and at least try to play in their half.

Our bunch have had all week to practise passing to each other, with some shooting too. So don't go to Brentford and keep it tight hoping to win 1-0 and then lose 1-0. Be a bit braver.

We badly need something to get behind; travelling Blues I salute you. UTFT.

Derek Thomas
53 Posted 23/09/2023 at 08:14:48
If Dyche is still here after the clocks go back, he'll have done well.
Ernie Baywood
54 Posted 23/09/2023 at 08:27:29
Who is going to have either the authority or the interest to fire him, Derek?

He's staying.

Tony Abrahams
56 Posted 23/09/2023 at 08:55:39
After reading the calls for Patterson, and remembering he was one of the few Everton players to go and press the ball last week (how long was he on the pitch?) then I’d play him on the right side of midfield.
Danny O’Neill
57 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:03:04
I remember us doing that with Seamus in his early Everton days Tony.
Mark Murphy
58 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:14:53
Hey Danny? Where’s your nearest prem club??
UTFT - a good win today!

Ps To the regiment!!

Danny O’Neill
59 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:19:38
It was a close call between Watford and Brentford Mark but it's Brentford. 12 miles away.


Mark Ryan
60 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:39:14
Heart says we win but my head expects an interview with more of the same Dyche rhetoric " well the team were all on the grass during the week but perhaps this grass was different. The numbers were good, in transition we lost something, it's been the same since we've been here blah blah blah. I've lost trust in listening to Dychedoesboreus and I expect us to struggle. We have to change and if we leave it much longer nobody will want the job not even Desperate Dyche
Paul Hewitt
61 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:41:37
It's Brentford, there nothing special. Let's atleast have a go.
John Hood
62 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:50:38
It's a beautiful day in West London..for those attending,I recommend The Greyhound on Kew Green...Cross Kew Bridge to the south Surrey side,turn left at end of bridge and its about 100 yards.Benches by Green on which to nurse your Naked Lady..(name of the bitter,sadly,not otherwise).
Mal van Schaick
63 Posted 23/09/2023 at 09:51:24
Play Garner wide right, McNeil wide left and put Dajuma behind Beto and Calvert Lewin. That might give us more creativity and chance of scoring goals.
Henrik Lyngsie
64 Posted 23/09/2023 at 10:07:18
On another note, I was watching Gylfi make his debut in the Danish League yesterday. He played for the last 30 minutes and was very anonymous. But I am sure he will perform well here and I am happy for him to be back playing.
We could certainly have used him in his prime in this Everton team.
Jimmy Carr
66 Posted 23/09/2023 at 10:10:53
Surely Lyndon has it wrong. Dyche HAS to make some changes. We've got one point from five games!

It was telling that for a team who can't score, he dropped one of the players (Patterson) who had an assist the week before.

Two proper centre forwards available. Our best wide player from last season fit again. The manager needs to make a few moves for this game. We need to be better in possession and going forward.

Jerome Shields
67 Posted 23/09/2023 at 10:15:32
I did think Danjama played well against Arsenal, with very little support. Arsenal will gladly defend all day and night if the play is always in front of them.
Kevin Molloy
69 Posted 23/09/2023 at 10:48:49
it's Dyche now or bust, we are all in. That being said, there is something about him that bothers me. I get the impression he doesn't like or rate the club. Not that that would be unique given we've had Koeman Allardyce and Benitez in the last few years. But he is in my view one of those who when they eventually leave the club will not spend five minutes of their remaining time on this earth worrying about Everton.
Rob Hooton
70 Posted 23/09/2023 at 11:06:16
Sorry Rob, I got the wrong end of the stick there, lol.

As Mark says, head towards the river– might be signs for Kew Bridge or Kew Gardens. Head left before you cross the river and follow it downstream.

I'm not going to try and guess the team, but someone posted the other week that we have 3 midfielders doing the job of one and I agree with that summary. We're so bad at passing the ball it defies belief that these are supposed to be professional elite footballers and they can't even get the basics right – saw some good passing and moving in the kids games when walking the dog this morning, it really isn't that bloody hard!

Hope something clicks today, boy could we do with 3 points. I'll be fairly close to our fans behind the goal, I'll have to sing and chant with you under my breath.

Geoff Lambert
71 Posted 23/09/2023 at 11:06:34
Two up top for me and Garner in the middle, Patterson to start.
Derek Thomas
72 Posted 23/09/2023 at 11:20:31
Ernie @ 54; with all the 'bosses' going or gone Kevin Thelwell...who is Dyches, in theory, nominal boss(?) he must be the designated survivor.

Though who picks the replacement is anybody's guess. 777 might go with Ted Lasso, aka that ex Leeds 'arm in the air, watch tapping dickhead' Marsch.

We need Dyche and the team to start winning and soon.

Mark Ryan
73 Posted 23/09/2023 at 11:37:37
Kevin @ 69 spot on. He thinks we are a total fuck-up and doesn't really care about wanting to change it.

He can't hide his dislike for the mess that is our club. I think he sees it as a total car crash and his autobiography will read "It was a total train wreck and beyond my help."

I totally agree with you, Kev, I'm glad someone else sees that too. This is why I want him gone coupled with the fact he's a fucking Stegasaurus of a manager. One-trick pony. I actually think Benitez wanted it to work more than he does.

Robert Tressell
74 Posted 23/09/2023 at 11:56:38
Tony # 56,

We might be better equipped to go 5-3-2 at the moment with McNeil and Patterson on the flanks. That would match us up with Brentford's likely formation.

I'm not usually a fan but Dyche organised us well in that formation at the end of last season when we were struggling to put out a First XI.

Laurie Hartley
75 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:02:57
I don't suppose Dyche would do anything revolutionary like going 3-5-2?

Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko
Patterson, Gueye, Garner, Doucoure, McNeil
Beto, Calvert-Lewin

Subs: Onana (for Gueye), Danjuma (for Calvert-Lewin)

Probably not.

Up the Blues!!!

Oliver Molloy
76 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:28:15
Forever the optimist, I predict a victory with Beto and Calvert-Lewin scoring for a 2 -1 result making it a mighty weekend for the travelling fans and all Evertonians everywhere.


Alan J Thompson
77 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:35:54
John(#2); I always thought Ron Noades was a character from Private Eye.
Tony Everan
78 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:37:54
Laurie, Robert, I'm liking that 3-5-2 team a lot it would give Brentford plenty to think about. No defence will enjoy playing against Beto and Calvert-Lewin, McNeil and Patterson can supply the crosses. Doucouré can get forward and get chances from any spills around the edge of the box.

Prediction; Brentford 1 Everton 3


Dale Rose
79 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:45:44
Another game, in the words of Aristotle:

"Expect fuck-all and you're never disappointed!"

Tom Bowers
80 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:53:54
Wouldn't it be nice to get a good performance and get some points at last? Surely to God we deserve something despite the dross churned out last week.

We need a competitive shift from the midfielders to get something from a tough Brentford team so let's hope Dyche has them ready this week.

Eddie Dunn
81 Posted 23/09/2023 at 12:59:49
I'm with Jim Bennings on Sean Dyches' pressers. So boring.

I do hope he springs a surprise and changes our awful midfield. If we roll over and have our tummy tickled, then we can guarantee relegation.

This lot need to play with conviction. Last week, I only saw Pickford, Branthwaite and Beto busting a gut.

Christopher Timmins
82 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:00:38
Hoping for a vastly improved performance from last weekend. We need to show real intent at both ends of the pitch and I would definitely go with two up top as we cannot afford the luxury of leaving a fit Calvert-Lewin on the bench. It also forces Dyche to drop one if not two of his central midfielders.

We also need to be a lot better with the ball and, if we don't start to show signs of same starting today and continuing over the next few games, then I really fear for us.


A difficult assignment but not an impossible one. I will be very disappointed if the players don't show a reaction and get something from the game.

Charles Brewer
83 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:12:08
Dale, and Immanuel Kant said: "the manifold of apperception of apodeictic synthetic a priori reasoning requires that Kenwright should fuck off"

Wittgenstein, on the other hand though the correct approach was to grab a poker and twat your opponent with it.

I'm with Ludwig.

James Hughes
84 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:28:42
I am going for a surprise Everton performance similar to Brighton away and we get the 3 points.
And no I have not been drinking, hic
Dean Williams
85 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:30:42
Think this will be dyches last stand. If he doesn't get 3 points today, he's a gonna.
Mark Taylor
86 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:37:02
Charles 83

Right now the words of Socrates seem appropriate for those who follow this team:

'The secret of happiness is not found in seeking more but in developing the capacity to enjoy less.'

Dale Self
87 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:53:40
Charles 83, that was a a Popper. I see that some are going for logical negativism in their search for truth

This is the other Dale btw

Tony Everan
88 Posted 23/09/2023 at 13:59:24
Dale, Mark, Charles

I like this one from Jean-Paul Satre, applies to us ;

'' In football everything is complicated by the presence of the opposite team''

Neil Tyrrell
89 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:01:47
Please let's have someone other than Young take the free kicks and corners today
Steve Byles
90 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:03:36
Got the feeling we’ll win today. Come on you blue boys, prove me right. Our season starts today!!
Raymond Fox
91 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:09:50
Good one Mark 86. I posted earlier saying I think we might get a result today, more a feeling than a logical conclusion.

As far as Dyche is concerned I like him, the talk of the sack is not very sensible.

We now have doubts now who has authority to run the club, I suppose its still Moshiri, hell fire he's has a good record for picking managers.Then you have the pay off if he goes.

He appoints another lamb to the slaughter whos supposed to do better than the previous multitude.

Lose a few games and he's a goner too, wecome to the madhouse!

Charles Brewer
92 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:37:15
My concern is more of the team’s tendency to place the opposition’s strikers in a Husserlian epoche of naive Cartesian doubt about their existence and simply ignore them. Dyche needs to explain Hume’s view that after all the theoretical bollocks is done for the day, you’ve got to believe that it’s all real and you have to mark the bastards properly, if necessary, with violence.
Larry O'Hara
93 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:47:20
Charles (83) as Kant never travelled more than 15 miles from his home town not sure he is useful in terms of an away match….and the correct spelling is (self evidently) apodictic….
Anyway, f…. Philosophy, just get into them!
John Gall
94 Posted 23/09/2023 at 14:50:09
That display against Arsenal was the most gutless, insipid, ineffectual Everton home display I think I've ever witnessed, and like most of us I've seen a few! The players had been coached into a completely fearful, passive tactical approach which gifted Arsenal the ball and let them manipulate the game at will. As an Evertonian I found it humiliating to watch. Just what have we got left to take pride in? "If you know your history?" Bollocks to that. It's ancient history now. We've become rootless, passionless, and directionless. I had hoped Dyche might be the kind of feisty pragmatic Brit who shook things up and got the team playing in a basic, but effective way, a Moyes-style realist. But displays this season have no fire, no bite and no direction. I fear he is not up to the job, which, admittedly, is one that most would struggle to rise to. I can only see a Brentford win today. I'm assuming Villa knock us out of the cup in the week, then should we fail to at least get draws in the following home games against Luton and Bournemouth then he must be sacked. The dilemma then is : who has the authority at the club now to actually call for a taxi, to negotiate financial settlement, and to appoint a successor? We may have escaped relegation, but the club in its current state is undermined and weakened to the same extent that relegation would have inflcited upon us. In my 58 years the club has never been close to such a miserable, perilous state.
Don Alexander
95 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:07:10
For far too long the most apposite philosophical term afflicting us is Jagger's "You can't always get what you want".

Altogether now;

"You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, well, you might find
You get what you need
Ah, yeah!"

Charles Brewer
96 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:09:21
Larry, most dictionaries list apodictic and apodeictic as alternative valid spellings of the same word. Kant never travelled far from Königsberg, but did come up with the concept of galaxies, the notion of universal peace as a politically coherent notion and invented a kind of spring operated braces for trousers.

However, I agree that, having been awoken from dogmatic slumber by Scotland’s number one, he’d have approved of a robust and possibly even Prussian-style organised defence.

Ed Fitzgerald
97 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:09:44
A fine philosopher and apparently goalie he was but Albert Camus French Existentialist had surely never watched Everton when he came up with this

“what I know most surely in the long run about morality and obligations, I owe to football.”

Gerry Quinn
98 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:10:09
This morning I swapped my Golden Retriever coffee mug for my "One Evertonian is worth " coffee mug - as it is all that I can think of which MAY improve our results!!!!!!!!! Fingers, legs, everything crossed...
Wayne Dinkelman
99 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:10:38
There will be a few young Aussie friends sitting with the travelling support today cheering on the mighty blues so if you hear an Aussie accent say hello and ask if one of them is named Jasper and if so welcome him to the blue army and shout him a beer 3-1 tarky and dwight both on target
Dale Self
100 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:14:35
I’m certainly not suggesting that anyone has their Godel too tight but Dyche had a dilemma. We could have moved to a different system to get through the injuries or continue to try and buildup relationships in possession.

If we changed up we might have been more resilient. The other side is that we were better off struggling through a match unlikely to yield any points to get the possession in sync. We obviously have some new pieces to work into functionality and some rough spots are inevitable.

Paul Tran
101 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:24:51
Orwell once said, 'in the face of pain there are no heroes'.. Wonder if we'll see any heroes today?
Alex Gray
102 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:32:06
Going for a win today. 3-1 Beto, Danjuma and Onana. Expecting a big reaction from last week. Based on no evidence like but just got a gut feeling today.
Farkov Redz
103 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:35:43
Surely he's got to bin one of the midfield and start Garner, start Beto and Dom?... i'm with the rest who think Dyche is a dinosaur, subs on at 10 minutes to go if any is criminal.

Not sure Young or Myko are up to it but i'd play Myko as Young for me offers nothing except maturity.

I'm going 1-1 if he doesn't start 2 strikers, 1-2 if he gives Dom at least 30 minutes.


Rob Hooton
104 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:44:58
Don - very apt!

Rob Halligan, hope you’ve had a good journey, should be at the pub in half hour.

Nearly 20% of the people in a ‘Last Man Standing’ group of 400 people have picked Brentford to win today, here’s hoping they all get knocked out!

Denis Richardson
105 Posted 23/09/2023 at 15:55:08
Personally think we should kick lumps out of them and bundle the ball into the net any which way.

Don’t care how just get something from this game. No time for pretty football and don’t care how boring/ugly it is. Points are the first and only priority at this time.

Need some bite in this team and a 100% shift from every outfield player.

Christy Ring
106 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:12:40
Garner in the middle, Onana or Gueye defensive midfielder, Beto and Calvert-Lewin together and Harrison on the bench, in my opinion.
Colin Malone
107 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:16:36
If Dyche keeps the same team, he has to swap Onana for Doucoure and vice versa.
Mick Davies
108 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:20:19
Dyche keeps telling us about these players on the 'grass' - could that explain the weird, insipid display against Arsenal?
Ian Linn
109 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:28:16
Maupay will get a hat trick
Dale Self
110 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:28:31
I resent that Mick. Sending you a few smoke signals now.
Mick Davies
111 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:30:57
Dale, I wonder who 'scored' it? Couldn't have been one of our players
Frank Fearns
112 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:31:26
If it's another pitiful performance like last week we will be battered. I'm not one for saying who should play but I know one that shouldn't play - Onana -total waste. Plods up and down the pitch does nothing constructive and has even stopped making gestures to the supporters. I wonder why?
Charles Brewer
113 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:32:29
I used to live half a mile from Brentford's ground (opposite a splendid pub called the Globe - it was like being on the set of Minder). My girlfriend and I went to quite a few matches there and the ground was usually almost entirely empty.

The away "end" was an open terrace which seemed to attract torrential rain. I once counted the away crowd (it was another shit match and the rain never stopped), there were 39 Huddersfield supporters who huddled together to give the impression of being crushed in (a bit like the old Gwladys Street, except not at all, really). Their war cry was "Come on you Udders" which didn't quite rank there with Henry V or Col. Tim Collins, and I don't remember the Udders being particularly inspired to action either. They mostly stood around looking soggy.

The Brentford crowd were also interesting and had a good line in abuse (for their own players only, they let the opposition supporters - all 39 of them - insult their own team). 'Chopper' Harris, some distance past his best, got "Come on Harris, break sweat", and another one screamed abuse and execration on one player for no obvious reason whatsoever, for the whole of the first half, but didn't return after the break, we speculated that he had expired or simply run out of hatred.

Nice club. But I hope (but don't expect) Everton thrash them today.

Robert Tressell
114 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:42:45
Disappointing not to see Patterson in the line up - and do we really need 4 central midfield players? Surely Danjuma should be starting ahead of, say, Gueye.

Ultra conservative from Dyche against well drilled but not especially talented opposition.

Looks like Beto is going to be very isolated indeed.

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