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Vitalii Mykolenko is the only fresh injury concern to have come out of the cup win at Villa Park

Everton hope to build on the away victory at Brentford in the Premier League and their ousting of Aston Villa in the Carabao Cup in midweek when they take on newly-promoted Luton Town at Goodison Park.

The Blues haven’t won three successive matches in all competitions for over two years but a meeting with the Hatters, who have picked up just one point in six games so far this season, offers them the perfect opportunity to do so again.

Sean Dyche has warned his players against any complacency but the mood in the Everton camp coming into this weekend will be in stark contrast to that which followed their last fixture at Goodison Park, a dismal 1-0 defeat to Arsenal.

Indeed, while they have started to get their act together on the road where they are now unbeaten in four, Everton have lost all three of their home games so far in 2023-24, a record their manager will be itching to put right as he looks to move higher up the table in the coming weeks.

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The last two performances plus the return to fitness of Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Dwight McNeil and Jack Harrison all bode well. Calvert-Lewin has bagged goals in each of his last two outings, matching his tally for the entirety of his injury-ravaged 2022-23 campaign, and is looking sharper all the time; McNeil played an integral part in last Saturday’s handsome 3-1 win at Brentford; and Harrison made a superb debut at Villa Park in the cup.

Luton, on the other hand, unlike last season’s promoted sides who all stayed up, have looked ill-equipped for the demands of their first season back in the top flight for three decades. In that time, the Bedfordshire club have fallen out of the Football League, flirted with administration and fought their way all the back to the top flight and it looks as though this will be a year where they will look to consolidate their financial position on the back of the huge uplift in broadcast revenue and merit payments.

Rob Edwards’s side began the season with a 4-1 defeat at Brighton and a 3-0 reverse at Chelsea but have since tightened up at the back and lost by a single goal to Fulham and West Ham before picking up their first point against 10-man Wolves last weekend.

They travel to Merseyside having been knocked out of the EFL Cup by League One Exeter City, however. Nevertheless, Dyche stressed in his press conference at Finch Farm that there are no easy games and that his side will approach the match in the right mindset.

“You’ve got to be ruthless,” Dyche said in the context of Luton’s struggles so far to adapt to the Premier League. “People do it to us so there’s none of that (sympathy for opposition teams) going on. I respect [Luton’s challenges] but you’ve got to be ruthless. When the whistle blows, we’ve got to play well; we’ve got to deliver a performance; we’ve got to take on the game to win.

"Luton are working hard in games, so we have got to deliver a performance. We certainly take nobody lightly, that's for sure, and the players know that."

Vitalii Mykolenko will undergo a late fitness on an unspecified injury before Sean Dyche selects his team that will face Luton Town this weekend.

The Ukrainian full-back was withdrawn at half-time of last night's impressive win at Aston Villa in the Carabao Cup and is the biggest doubt for Saturday's clash with the newly-promoted Hatters on Saturday.

Dyche mentioned in his “presser” that Mykolenko's injury issue, "is something we've got to be a little bit careful with," and did not confirm the full nature of the complaint but seemed content that apart from "a few knocks", there were no further concerns.

Harrison came through 65 minutes against Villa and could be in line for his first appearance at Goodison Park since joining on loan from Leeds while Calvert-Lewin’s goalscoring exploits in the past few days have pressed his case for a place in the starting XI for a second successive game.

Seamus Coleman, Dele Alli and André Gomes are still ruled out, however, with neither the Irishman nor the Portuguese expected to be in contention until next month at the earliest. 

Kick-off: 3pm, Saturday 30 September 2023
Referee: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Paul Tierney
Last Time: Everton 1 - 1 Luton Town (Division 1; 14 March 1992)

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Young, Gueye, Onana, Garner, McNeil, Doucouré, Calvert-Lewin


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John Raftery
1 Posted 28/09/2023 at 15:55:53
There is no sense in taking risks at this stage of this season especially now the manager has other options; Young at left back, Patterson at right back.
Jay Harris
2 Posted 28/09/2023 at 16:04:25
I think its great that the players are now starting to find their form and confidence such that there will be major differences in opinion between us as to what is the best team selection.

We finally have options and some goal threat. I just hope we can continue to build and get back to our rightful place and shut some of the so called experts up.

Jon Harding
3 Posted 28/09/2023 at 16:05:53
Yes, agreed John. A good chance for Patterson to show us what he's got, coming into a winning team with a bit of confidence and momentum for a change.
Stu Darlington
4 Posted 28/09/2023 at 16:29:47
I agree with above comments. I just hope Dyche persists with Onana and Garner in the middle of midfield.They were creative and looked to get the ball forward,essential now we’ve got some front players at last.
Robert Tressell
5 Posted 28/09/2023 at 16:43:58
Shame, he's been getting better and just needs a good run of games in a well coached side. Luton have a good right flank - with Issa Kabore on loan from Man City a very good young player. Young should sort him out though.
Frank Sheppard
6 Posted 28/09/2023 at 17:59:44
Don’t need to pick all three of Duke, Onana and Gueye in midfield. Two of those needed, not all 3.
Rob Halligan
7 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:02:35
Dare we go two up front, with DCL and Beto? It’s a nice situation to be in though!
Lyndon Lloyd
8 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:06:45
I agree, Frank. I deliberated for a while on the predicted line-up as I'm not sure how Dyche will go with this one. Once Harrison is fully fit, he really has a dilemma on his hands the way Garner has been performing but if it were me, I'd drop Gueye, have Garner in the centre and Harrison wide right.
Kieran Kinsella
9 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:18:52
I watched Luton v Forest last week. Their winger Ogbene is a tricky customer. He kept getting through Wolves defense but his final ball (cross/shot) was terrible. Kind of a poor man's Traore of Wolves fame. But to his credit he keeps trying. The rest of the team certainly put in the effort and passed reasonably well but they just had no quality. I am hoping that won't suddenly change this Saturday and that we play as we have done the last two games.
Bill Gienapp
10 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:19:39
Something will definitely have to give in terms of the starting XI (if not this weekend, then soon). We can't just have attackers like Harrison and Danjuma sitting on the bench, which means one of the midfielders has to be dropped. Garner would appear to have been the odd man out in Dyche's eyes, but if he keeps playing like he did yesterday, that's a non-starter. It does feel as if this might lead to Gueye being phased out.
John Keating
11 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:29:30
Three points imperative tomorrow, followed by another 3 the week after.
A good win and performance will give us so much confidence.
Just a couple of pints before the match but hopefully a good few after to celebrate!
Patterson, Tarks, Branthwaite, Young
Garner, Onana, Doucoure, McNeil
DCL, Beto
Neil Lawson
12 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:47:38
Never change a winning team. But we have two ! Will be an insight into Dyche's thinking. I hope he is brave enough to make changes and not just to revert to the Brentford 11 ( if fit)
Si Cooper
13 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:53:26
It’s good that the manager has now got some proper alternatives for how he sets the team up without necessarily weakening the output.
The biggest groundswell of opinion would be to ensure that Garner gets a central position but I do wonder if Dyche is worried about the possibility of burning out players in what remains a very thin squad. I could see why he might choose to start games, at least, with the industry of Gana and Doucs and effectively get the most from them until they join up with their national squads for the Afcon mid-season.
Hence, I won’t be upset if the manager doesn’t actually pick the side / formation I would like to see, and will, as I always have done, reserve opinion on his preferences / tactics until the game is actually played.
I’d like to see DCL and Beto play as a pair. I think Harrison may have to start on the bench this week and I suspect Dyche is currently more likely to trust in McNeill providing the creative spark rather than sacrificing his three midfield heavy lifters.
Tony Everan
14 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:55:28
Sean Dyche used the word ‘ruthless' in the presser for this match. No mercy on Saturday! (Thank you, Rob.)

If we go about our business in the same professional way as the last two games, there are three important points to take home.

It will be interesting what side the manager picks because there are a few viable options available now. Here's my stab at the team, 4-2-3-1:

Patterson Tarkowski Branthwaite Mykolenko
Garner Onana
Harrison Doucoure McNeil

Rob Halligan
15 Posted 28/09/2023 at 18:58:21
Are we playing tomorrow? That’s John # 11 and Tony # 14, referring to the game as being tomorrow, unless today is Friday, and I’ve slept for twenty four hours! 😁😁
Kim Vivian
16 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:17:56
I may be in the minority here but I have been a bit disappointed with Danjuma. I think there is good potential there but he seems to be lacking a bit of confidence and trying too hard to impress.

So play him from the bench. Use McNeil and Harrison on the flanks, DCL up front (obvs), Garner, Onana, Douc in he middle and Patterson, Tarks, Branthwaite, Young/Myko in front of Pickford.

Sure that line up has probably been mooted by others but against teams like Luton, and Bournemouth to come, it should bring max points.

Denis Richardson
17 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:18:58
Three points is an absolute must. First home win and 3 vital points against a near relegation certainty.

We’ve got an almost fully fit squad and for me Garner has to start. If we go with a back 4 then I think one of Gueye, Onana or Duke needs to start on the bench. McNeil and Garner need to start for me.

Maybe a hybrid 433 / 451 with McNeil and Danjuma out wide and Garner plus two of Onana, Duke and Gueye in the middle? Or same players but 4231 if that makes sense.

Start one of Beto or DCL with the other able to come fresh off the bench 2nd half, if needed. Harrison also available 2nd half.

Dyches got the formation problem - whatever the formation it’s got to be a win.

Ed Prytherch
18 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:20:33
I like Tony 14's team with Young at LFB if Mykolenko cannot start. There should be no need for 3 at the back and Garner needs to play in the middle of midfield. Garner and Onana played well together yesterday and they should probably be the default midfield partnership from now on. Two real wingers plus Dom should be more than enough for Luton.
Kunal Desai
19 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:28:41
I think he'll go with the same starting lineup as the Brentford game. DCL and Danjuma off the bench. Harrison if needed. Options to change the game.

If Mykolenko isn't fit then Patterson comes in and Young reverts to left back.

John Keating
20 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:44:17
Yes day's wrong.
My excuse is I'm meeting a few mates in town tomorrow to start off the pre match rituals!
I suppose that might count??
David West
21 Posted 28/09/2023 at 19:59:46
I'm going to commit now !
I think we could put 3-4 past Luton.
I'm not taking them lightly, I just think we are starting to click, we could have scored more past Brentford, more past villa if we take our chances. I think we are going to take all our chances in 1 game.

I see Dyche going with mcneil over Harrison.
Gana for Keane
I'd play myko if fit or it's young.
Beto to start, dcl still needs treating with care .

A clean sheet with a few goals I see coming.
I'm going to do Branthwaite & tarks every week on my bet to score, I think between them they could get near 10 this year.

Dale Self
22 Posted 28/09/2023 at 20:06:21
It would be really nice and too much to expect for us to get into a position at 60 minutes allowing drastic subs. If we could get the rotations right in this next run of winnable games this squad could settle nicely. Then Dyche would have the ability to change up partnerships if chemistry fades between players.

I’ll ride backseat on the selection. Getting all of the trusted players involved is crucial to surviving to the next windows. There are enough players for motivation now. There aren’t enough for a serious second eleven in training but we aren’t far away. I know, just get the fucking three but the way this is building is an irresistible call for irrational optimism.

Steve Stobie
23 Posted 28/09/2023 at 20:07:20
Hi all, this is a bit off subject and it might be more relevant before next week's game against Bournemouth, but so excited I can't wait, so apologies. I managed to secure tickets through the official resales on the Everton website for the Bournemouth game, so my son will be getting his first trip to Goodison. It's been years since I've been up, so I was wondering what we should be doing to give him the quintessential Everton match day experience?
We're driving up from Paignton in Devon and will leave at 7:30 am, so with a stop, should get there for around 12:30. I was planning on parking in the Stanley Park car park, but will there still be spaces at that time? And what should I do after that?

All comments welcome. Look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in advance.


Mark Murphy
24 Posted 28/09/2023 at 20:25:14
Steve you shouldn’t have any problem at all getting IN to the Stanley Park car park but the issue is Getting OUT after the game. If that doesn’t matter you’ll be ok there. I haven’t driven to the game for about 2 years but I used to park on Walton Hall Park. It’s a bit of a trek but good for a quick getaway to the M57 and link to the M62.
Jay Harris
25 Posted 28/09/2023 at 20:27:39
I think selection has to be based on who will improve the team and having been initially very impressed by Beto he seems to be a bit of a lost soul in the last couple of games so he is on the bench for me.

Doucoure adds so much energy to the team he must start and its a close call between Danjuma, Mcneill and/or Harrison.

So for me back 4 picks itself and if we go with Garner and Onana I would play Harrison wide right Mcneill left and Doucs through the middle just behind DCL.

Bring Danjuma and Beto on after 60 minutes when we are 2-0 up.

Jim Lloyd
26 Posted 28/09/2023 at 20:41:14
I hope he starts with the team he started with and brings on the players he brought on, as and when needed. I don't like predicting the score or the result, I just want to see our players enjoy their game like they did last night. But as a few are working their way back from injury, He might to alter the starting 11.

Scoring goals? well the players we've got when all match fit, I don't think we'll be anything like as goal shy as we've been for years. I hope we beat them well, But I'll wait and see.

Steve. where did you park the last time you came up? Do you know the area round about the ground? It might/will be really busy in the Stanley Park parking. If you get up around half 12 then you'd best go to one of the chippies and get a bite of healthy chips and a meat and potato pie first! And then get a bit of liquid refreshment, there's a few caffs round about if that's your fancy.

Here's me number. 07761836536. If you want a few alternatives for parking and having a drink, soft or ale, I'm sure a few lads will give you more alternatives. Hope you both have a great day out.

Where's your tickets...Bullens Road?

Henrik Lyngsie
27 Posted 28/09/2023 at 21:12:02
Against Luton, I would certainly play Garner and Onana in the central midfield. Onana as the holding midfielder and Garner is more like a Number 8.

We might need Gana's chasing and running against the top sides, but his distribution and passing is so poor.

I did not watch the Villa game and I am not curious how Dyche played Onana and Garner in that match. Did Onana play the holding midfielder?

Nicolas Piñon
28 Posted 28/09/2023 at 21:16:36
Patterson Tarkowski Branthwaite Young
McNeil Onana Doucouré Garner Gueye

Hope Mykolenko makes it though and that would lead to Patterson out. Calvert-Lewin and Harrison won't start as they are not totally match fit yet, imo. UTFT!!

Barry Rathbone
29 Posted 28/09/2023 at 21:39:17
Just don't play the trio of timidity - Gana, Onana and Doucouré - as a midfield again and we'll be laughing all the way to mid table.
John Kavanagh
30 Posted 28/09/2023 at 22:01:29
We've been here too many times before over the years, with a couple of good results followed by a very winnable home fixture that ends with everyone saying 'That's Everton that' as we slump to a shock defeat.

So Saturday is a real acid test as to whether the attitude of the squad has really improved. Dyche himself has recognised this with his call for us to be ruthless. So fingers crossed for an emphatic win, despite the fact that Luton have played better than their results suggest. I'll go with whatever starting side Dyche goes with, as we now have options to change things from the bench if needed.

I just want us to get two good wins and then go to Satan's backyard and get a result. Now that really would transform our season!

Matt Traynor
31 Posted 28/09/2023 at 22:24:30
"Last Time: Everton 1 - 1 Luton Town (Division 1; 14 March 1992)"

That evening, I was at a Chinese restaurant on South Road, celebrating a former schoolmate's 21st.

Upstairs was a certain Maurice John Giblin Johnston, celebrating his equalising goal earlier that day.

We've been buying over-rated strikers for a long time, boys and girls.

I'll be in Goodison Park at the game, although these days I am living nearly 7,000 miles away. We simply have to start picking up points at home, especially against weaker teams if we are to avoid getting caught up in more last-day drama.

Mal van Schaick
32 Posted 28/09/2023 at 22:37:28
Why change a winning formula? If we can field the same side that we did against Villa, that would be fine by me.

Playing for places, with the replenished squad, must be healthier, than past seasons where some players didn't deserve their place, but we had no options. Now we have.

Play with the same pace and tenacity, dominate possession, and defend well, as we did against Villa, and that should give us all 3 points.

David Midgley
33 Posted 28/09/2023 at 23:03:48
Steve #23.

You and your lad go to Bramley-Moor Dock to see the new ground.

Show him where the future is.

Geoff Lambert
34 Posted 29/09/2023 at 00:11:40
Three points are needed just to stay in 15th place. and another three from Bournemouth to edge us up the table a bit. I feel this is achievable after the last two performances. COYB,
Mick Davies
35 Posted 29/09/2023 at 00:49:25
Are people really calling for the same team?

Please, NO KEANE! We don't need 3 centre-backs at home to Luton, and we certainly don't need calamity Keane anywhere.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
36 Posted 29/09/2023 at 03:43:21
I'm with Jay @25. That seems to me our best 11 when everyone is healthy.

There may be questions about fitness and whether it makes more sense to bring Calvert-Lewin or Harrison off the bench, but unless we show we need Gana defensively, it's time he goes to the bench and comes on when we're protecting a lead.

I'll be curious to see how things play out if Calvert-Lewin stays healthy and playing well. At least at this point, I think he's better than Beto when fully fit, but that means a £25 million striker becomes our back-up and doesn't get much of a chance to bed in. Given Dom is still making his way back, I wouldn't be surprised if Dyche starts Beto on Saturday.

Paul Ferry
38 Posted 29/09/2023 at 04:27:08
Stumbled across this, I suppose it's the Luton version of Toffee-TV (they are not as good looking as our fellas) and their preview of the match. It's interesting, not least in how and what they think of us. Spoiler alert: they think they can win!


Mihir Ambardekar
39 Posted 29/09/2023 at 05:13:04
I think we will win against Luton by 2-0. Can't take this lightly though as Luton will be very much up for it.

I am slightly concerned with Beto. He was massive against Doncaster and Sheffield Utd. I know he is settling and patience is needed but, in the last few games, he seemed well off the pace or just not tenacious or hungry.

I think the next 2 games are perfect for him to make his mark and settle in the squad. He needs to be more aggressive in my opinion to put more pressure on defenders. It will be a dream scenario to have two fit and scoring for fun. Coyb!

Jerome Shields
40 Posted 29/09/2023 at 05:58:30
I still think Beto should start to give the team shape and provide space for a very defensive Luton.

Against Villa, the interplay in midfield, which had been missing, suited Onana, making him more of a threat going forward. I agree, Young will play due to the Mykolenko injury.

Harrison did play well in the Villa game. The use of subs will be important and hopefully Dyche shows some skill in managing the alternatives he now has.

Danny O’Neill
41 Posted 29/09/2023 at 06:00:37
Matt @31 have a great day out.

Mick @36. I don't have an issue with 3 at the back.

Personally I wouldn't change a thing from midweek, although ideally, if it was me, and we had the right players it would be 3-5-2 if we're going to do it.

That formation gives the wingbacks freedom to get forward, but they have to be fit and work hard to get back and cover because, if possession is turned over, your flanks can get exposed. A counter to that can be a sitting midfielder (sweeper) who covers the gaps when needed. Midfield is covered with 3 across the middle and it gives the opportunity to play 2 strikers, which many crave.

That's not an Everton thing, just my views on football. The important thing is that you have the right players to play that system. Like any I suppose.

Anyway, I don't like predicting scores, line-ups and formations. The manager and his coaching staff will decide that.

We will just follow, watch and support wherever we are.

Jim Bennings
42 Posted 29/09/2023 at 06:28:18
No disrespect at all here but this is Luton at Goodison, we need to be leaving our footprint on these.

We've lost all three home games but the last two away wins should have confidence soaring so that we are straight out of the blocks and sink into these from the off.

Luton may well be up for it but they are not a Premier League quality football side; they did amazing to win promotion – absolutely amazing – but going through their squad, it's bare limitations at this level.

A great chance in these next two home games to go into that international break (yes, another one, lol!) in a great position.

Chris Leyland
43 Posted 29/09/2023 at 06:36:46
Keane out and Doucoure in pushing forward and feeding off Dom.

McNeil in for Danjuma.

Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 29/09/2023 at 07:45:02
I personally thought it was one of Michael Keane's best ever displays in a blue shirt the other night. But I still don't believe the balance is quite right in the squad for Everton to be starting with three central defenders.

Patterson possibly suits playing as a wingback but I'm not sure we have got anyone with the engine to get up and down on the left side of the pitch just now. If we do continue to play with a three, I'd much prefer Branthwaite as the anchor because he is the only one with enough pace to recover. (I'd use Villa's half-chance just before half-time as an example.)

Beto is going to take time to adapt but, if he doesn't lose that rawness (in the sense that raw players usually work their socks off), then who doesn't want to see him and Calvert-Lewin playing as a pair? It's something that definitely intrigues me anyway.

Danny O’Neill
45 Posted 29/09/2023 at 07:57:22
I'd agree with that Tony. Keane played well on Wednesday as did all of the players.

Also, Beto and Calvert-Lewin could work. Early days, but Beto is looking very good at hold-up and early lay-offs and knock-on play. Dominic could thrive off that.

Good to see us higher up the pitch (apart from the last 15 minutes or so). That helped the forward players.

Jimmy Carr
46 Posted 29/09/2023 at 07:58:39
I don't think we need 3 central defenders at home against Luton.

I think he'll start with the same team that started against Brentford and that would be fair enough – unless Patterson comes in at right-back because Mykolenko is injured.

Main thing is another 3 points.

Terry Murray
47 Posted 29/09/2023 at 08:56:55
If we win the Carabao cup, do we get a place in Europe next season?
Rob Halligan
48 Posted 29/09/2023 at 09:04:03
Paul # 38. Just finished watching that podcast by the Luton fans, previewing the game tomorrow. Who were they, the Three Stooges?

I mean, come on, every fan up and down country, like to “Big up” their own team, whilst at the same time, try and “Put down” their next opponents, but I think these three went just a little bit too far with their views. So now, Luton have a bit of momentum, just because they scraped a draw at home to a poor wolves team. Whilst they were right about our first two goals at Brentford being from set pieces, although I do wonder was the first goal from a set piece, as the ball was cleared from a corner, retrieved and then played back into the area for a great knock down by Tarkowski and sublime finish by Doucoure. There was no mention about the battling performance by James Garner with his desire to win the ball back, then his superb pass for DCL to finish. There was no mention of our midfield having control of the game, the pressing, the defending or the effort shown by Everton last Saturday. There was no mention at all about a very similar performance against Villa the other night.

They did mention one or two players who could cause them problems, notably DCL (if he’s fit, their words, not mine), maybe Beto and McNeil. No mention whatsoever about the likes of Garner or Branthwaite, two players they would undoubtedly like in their team. It seems they already have our team selected for tomorrow. Ashley Young is a certain starter at right back (?), simply because they have a speedy winger, and if he doesn’t play, then it’s Seamus Coleman, though they do recognise that he has been out injured for a while, but may have to come on with crutches! (Tongue in cheek, obviously)

As for their players, well obviously every one them mentioned I’d never heard of, except one. Seems Barkley has been out injured for a couple of games, so will probably start on the bench, and be used as an impact player. Spat me coffee out over that one!

The three stooges seem to think our off field troubles will be to their benefit. Did Brentford and Villa think the same? We’re now the team with momentum, and I’m going for a comfortable 4-0 win.

Oh, and by the way, Kevin Sheedy dived to win the free kick for the equalising goal in the 85 semi final. Was it Sheedy who was fouled in the first place? And he’s also apparently still involved in some sort of capacity at Everton! Bit of research needed there lads!!

Oh, and one more thing,.they seem to think that if we were to ever be relegated, then we would have trouble even filling a quarter of the new stadium. They don’t know our loyalty, do they!

Ian Jones
49 Posted 29/09/2023 at 09:31:54
Never been a fan of Luton Town. Mainly because of their victory in 1975 against us at their ground which probably derailed our title hopes. I was at Kenilworth Road watching as a 10 year old - wasn't impressed!
Robin Gomme
50 Posted 29/09/2023 at 10:01:07
Interesting talk of previous games. despite having been a blue since the age of 8 I'm now 64 my first visit to Goodison was May 1991 and a1-0 victory over Luton. I can still remember the goal clearly. Crowd was 20134 I've just checked. Different times.
Kevin Edward
51 Posted 29/09/2023 at 10:06:31
Totally agree with John #30,

How many times have we been rolled over at home by teams below us? I would expect 3 points, but Luton will probably tag this as one of the games they can win.

I do believe we are turning the corner, a comfortable win on Sat will be the evidence. I hope Goodison roars. UTFT.

James Hughes
52 Posted 29/09/2023 at 11:01:33
apologies to Lyndon but Europe 4-0 up in the Ryder
Brian Acheson
53 Posted 29/09/2023 at 11:35:41
Steve at 23. I park in the Stanley Park car park. You won't have a problem getting in there at 12:30, although as mentioned above, getting away is a different story. Grab a pint/pie, whatever, after the game and stroll back, by which time the queue should have gone down. Enjoy the match.
Lester Yip
54 Posted 29/09/2023 at 12:38:44
A must win game. Plays it like a cup final.
Christopher Timmins
55 Posted 29/09/2023 at 13:10:33
Some nice decision for the manager to make tomorrow. Assuming Mykolenko does not make it, I would go with:






Everton to win and keep the momentum going in the right direction.

With regards to Michael Keane, once he is surrounded by players with pace at the back, he can survive, be that Branthwaite this season or Zuma under Marco Silva.

Conor McCourt
56 Posted 29/09/2023 at 13:46:40
With 5 subs, I'd keep it as fresh as possible:

Patterson Tarkowski Branthwaite Young
Garner Gueye Onana Dobbin

Have the cavalry coming on depending how the game is going with Calvert-Lewin, Harrison, McNeil and Danjuma waiting in the wings at the 60-minute mark.

Mike Doyle
57 Posted 29/09/2023 at 13:59:29
Luton Town brings back memories of a game in the early 80's which our on-loan midfield winger Terry Curran ran the show in a 5-0 win before a crowd of 15000 (apparently).

We later signed him permanently thinking we might have found a world-beating winger. As it turned out we hadn't.

Highlights of the game on YouTube.

Apparently, prior to that game we had gone 3 games at Goodison without scoring (a good omen for the weekend perhaps?).

Derek Taylor
58 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:03:58
Go with just two central defenders and we will lose for sure. Odds are that 'Dyche's Darling' will be one of those whichever our dodgy manager opts for. No side Everton have fielded can be relied on to string together more than a couple of positive results-particularly against low quality opposition.

What we did against Villa's reserves will have no bearing against Luton.

Dale Self
59 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:10:55
Ha! 58 womp womp
Barry Hesketh
60 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:19:34
If we had just beaten Manchester City's best eleven, it would have no bearing on tomorrow's game. Why do we constantly persist in this daft comparison game?

If we played Villa again tomorrow with exactly the same line-ups and at the same venue, the scoreline might be completely different, for better or worse, because it's a different day and what happened on Wednesday has no bearing, quite apart from the lift it gave to the players and the supporters and a place in the next round.

Brian Williams
61 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:45:10
Why do we constantly persist in this daft comparison game.

Is it daft Barry? If what's gone before had no bearing, there'd be no such thing as odds on results. Every game would be even money on both teams to win and even money on the draw. Recent history and form has a great bearing on the "probable" outcome of a game.

We persist with this "daft comparison game" because we're human and are emotional. If we weren't, football wouldn't excite us so much. We wouldn't worry about Everton so much and rejoice when we win.

Don't eat so many humbugs, Barry, I don't think they agree with you. ;-)

Dale Self
62 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:58:25
Yeah, let’s stop comparing Villa’s cup side to Luton Town’s first eleven. We all know comparisons like that pale in significance to the invocation of ‘Everton that’ tripe.
Colin Malone
63 Posted 29/09/2023 at 14:58:27
Doucoure on the bench. Till he stops running around like a school kid, leaving space for the opposition, behind him.

That disrupts the balance of the side.

Jay Evans
64 Posted 29/09/2023 at 15:00:18
Steve 23,

1) Bramley Moore,
2) Upstairs in St Luke's,
3) The fanzone.

You don't say how old your lad is hence me not recommending The Brick.

Hope you both enjoy your day.

Ian Jones
65 Posted 29/09/2023 at 15:10:09
I agree with the comparisons of teams. Each game is different.

Also, other things that make me laugh are when a team goes in for example 1-0 up at half-time but has missed enough chances to have scored 7 or 8, and the comment goes 'well, they could have been at least 5 up'. Yes, technically, however, if a second goal had gone in to make it 2-0, the rest of the game would have been different, the team going 2-0 down would have needed to kick off instead of perhaps it being a goal kick.

Lastly, I don't agree with saving our 'better' players until later in the game. Play the strongest team from the start, try to put the team in the strongest position, ie, winning comfortably, and then look at making changes.

Jay Harris
66 Posted 29/09/2023 at 15:13:04
Cant agree that Keane had a good game the other night.

For the deflected goal he didn't move his feet fast enough. If that would have been Tarks or Jarrad I'm pretty sure they would have got the block in and then on another occasion he gave the ball away in a dangerous area. Apart from that he was reasonably solid but for me he always has at least one or two dangerous mistakes in him every game.

As regards Luton this is a game where we should be confident but not complacent and the crowd need to be patient as it may take time to break down what will undoubtedly be a stubborn defense.

We haven't kept a clean sheet this season. This would be a good time to start.

We have options all over the pitch and we have to trust SD to get his team and the tactics right but for once we should have decent options off the bench.

Brendan McLaughlin
67 Posted 29/09/2023 at 15:14:02
Everton's victories against Villa and Brentford should have increased team morale and confidence. Of course this doesn't mean we will beat Luton but I don't think anyone can say these wins will have no bearing whatsoever.
Dale Self
68 Posted 29/09/2023 at 15:32:09
Oh they can say it Brendan. And they will regardless of results.
Barry Hesketh
69 Posted 29/09/2023 at 16:11:30
Clearly the last two results do have a bearing on the morale of the players and the supporters, but by representing the Villa team as the reserves of that club, it is saying that we can't rely on that performance to be able to confidently predict the result of tomorrow's game, because some believe that Luton Town tomorrow, will be stronger than Villa were on Wednesday.

What my point is and was, is that it doesn't really matter how strong the opponents were last Wednesday as it doesn't help anybody to correctly predict tomorrow's result. We hope we carry on with good form.

I don't care for humbugs!

Will Mabon
70 Posted 29/09/2023 at 16:28:10
Barry @ 60,

a certain set of games in the late '70s, in the same competition, against the same side, stands wholly against your last paragraph!

Of course recent form matters. It's never a guarantee, and statistics say that the more Luton lose, the nearer they get to that eventual win etc. But to say it doesn't matter is to imply that City could still potentially get relegated. They could, but...

We are more likely to beat Luton than we were a few weeks back.

Mike Owen
71 Posted 29/09/2023 at 16:36:53
Jay 66, re the deflected goal and whether Keane moved his feet quickly enough, I'd suggest that if that had happened in the 25th, 45th or 65th minute, there would have been no problem, but with a tired player in the 85th, there is much more of a risk of such an outcome........

I thought Keane played well overall.

And I was greatly heartened by our team display. That Villa side was full of good players, but we made them look poor to average.

For example, that centre half Pau Torres. He's played around 170 times for Villarreal and 23 times for Spain. But we had him looking distinctly uncomfortable.

James Hughes
72 Posted 29/09/2023 at 16:41:18
We will beat Luton and I really cannot understand why people can't see that we have the basis of a good team. We should have had 3 points from Fulham and 3 more from Wolves.

Steve back at #23, I love your optimism that you can do Paignton to Liverpool in 5 hours. The M6 can be a bit of a nightmare. Good luck.

Jay Harris
73 Posted 29/09/2023 at 17:33:35
I thought he had a decent game overall but I have palpitations every time I see his name on the team sheet.
Paul Ferry
74 Posted 29/09/2023 at 17:44:25
Paul Ferry
75 Posted 29/09/2023 at 17:51:54
Rob H (48), "three stooges", love it! They were not the most charismatic and sharpest cookies were they?! I did nearly laugh out loud when they seriously discussed Seamus's "availability".

Still, it was interesting to hear their views on us. To be fair, I think it was put together before Wednesday (brilliant support RH, thanks) but it was wryly amusing to hear that we are roughly on a par with the hatters in the relegation mix. The three wise men picked out Ashley Y as our weak-spot, wonder if Rob E (clearly their mate, how often was it "Rob" this and "Rob" that?) thinks the same.

Slight side-note: "USA USA, Get in the hole!". Five points ahead Uncle Sam! Enjoy Yanks!

Lee Courtliff
76 Posted 29/09/2023 at 17:59:30
I'm so confident about tomorrow that I'm starting to shit myself!

You know what we're like

Brent Stephens
77 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:08:35
Steve #23 - somebody might have already posted about this or you might have clocked it anyway - the M53 is currently closed due to a fatal accident today. You might want to watch that it's not closed tomorrow.
Tony Everan
78 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:16:18
Lee 76, Good reason to be confident, we are playing well with young players improving and gaining confidence. Even if things just won’t happen there are starting quality options on the bench to turn the screw. I’m shitting myself too, but in a good way, it will probably manifest itself as a few rasping farts.
Neil Copeland
79 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:17:54
Steve #23, what Jay said at 64 plus give yourselves time to walk around the stadium perimeter and a couple of pictures by Dixie and the Holy Trinity.

Brent, thanks for the heads up, I use the M53 too.

Frank Sheppard
80 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:17:58
Feeling confident for tomorrow, but I felt the same for several home games last year, and we performed spectacularly badly. So perhaps I should rephrase as “cautiously optimistic”.
Danny O’Neill
81 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:19:14
Rob, we could have been the four stooges at New Street on Wednesday!!

When I watch the footage of that semi final at Villa Park, I am more convinced that Peter Reid was fouled in the build up to their goal.

It didn't matter because Sheedy stepped up. Not his most spectacular, but he meant it and placed it to perfection. And then black eyed Mountfield caused a pitch invasion.

Brent Stephens
82 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:24:46
Neil, after your jibe last night, I was hoping you wouldn't see that post about the M53!!
Jeff Armstrong
83 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:26:07
Agree Barry #60, so we beat Villa in 1983 then went on to beat Luton 12 months later in the semi!
So it’s obvious we’ll beat Luton tomorrow in 2023.
I think there’s a full moon tonight which happened in 1995 just before we played neither Villa or Luton on our way to winning the 1995 FA Cup.
It’s like history not repeating itself.. ever.
Danny O’Neill
84 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:31:42
Don't Neil. You're going to start me off with my dilemma about what we should do with those statues when we move. It tears me apart.
Paul Greenly Jones
85 Posted 29/09/2023 at 18:40:14
Steve #23 (Paignton). Hi mate, living down in Cornwall, I can only advise you to leave a little earlier than you think (M5 junction to M6 can be horrendous). Have a great day, bring back the 3 points to the West Country Toffees please.
Bill Hawker
86 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:00:10
I'd like to see Calvert-Lewin & Beto play together up front.

Yes, I know that means losing a midfielder but I think it could work.

No, I don't want to sacrifice what's working right now. If we could perhaps get comfortable lead (no laughing in back), we could put them together.

I'd think the two of them together "could" be a handful for any Premier League defense.

David McMullen
87 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:13:11
What a time to support Everton, 2 wins back-to-back. What a feat. Let's make it 3 in a row. We're going to score a hat full.

See what I did there… ;-)

David McMullen
88 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:20:55
Footnote on some Luton memories. I wasn't at the semi in 85 but I was in the Enclosure for the QF reply to see Lineker score that goal. But of course, 1987, who can forget? Champions. Champions. Champions.
Christy Ring
89 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:29:22
I'd go with four at the back tomorrow, why play 3?

Also play Garner in the middle, after his performance in his proper position against Villa, his tackling, passing and finish were a pleasure to watch, and Onana clicked with him also, why change him?

Mark Murphy
90 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:32:45

I've just done Horsham (West Sussex) to St Helens in 6½ hours so good luck with your 5 from Cornwall. Tbf, the M6 wasn't bad!

Ian Jones
91 Posted 29/09/2023 at 19:34:55
Danny, re the Holy Trinity and Dixie statues.

I would propose that they leave those particular statues there. Goodison Park is where they belong. Technically, they don't have much meaning at Bramley-Moore Dock. We need to create new heroes and memories in the new stadium.

I have forgotten exactly what the plan is regarding the development around Goodison Park, but I feel sure they could be included in any development to bring supporters/visitors back to see what has happened to the 'old' Goodison Park.

I assume loads of businesses will miss out on trade once we move, so in an ideal world, it would be great if we could incorporate the old with the new, perhaps an Everton Football Club Trail taking in all the relevant sites associated with Everton.

However, we also don't want to erase them from our memories as we need a nod to the past so I would erect replica versions at Bramley-Moore Dock – best of both worlds!

Alan McGuffog
92 Posted 29/09/2023 at 20:30:30
Ian..I see your point but the Holy Trinity Statue has been there for..a little over 5 seasons? The Dixie?... 25 years at most, I'd guess. Neither, in my opinion, intrinsic to the Goodison ideal.

Both are great, so I'd move them, without hesitation, to BMD.
Now... the old second-hand programme shop on Goodison Road, that's another issue

Andy Mead
93 Posted 29/09/2023 at 21:15:23
Bringing my partner over from Australia tomorrow for her first taste of Goodison. Hoping for 3 points to mark the occasion. For me, a must-win after losing 3 in a row at home
Neil Copeland
94 Posted 29/09/2023 at 21:43:19
Brent #82, I know you love me really.

Danny #84, sorry mate, I won't mention them again.

Andy #93, top man! I hope we don't disappoint and she brings us luck. Enjoy the game and visit.

David West
95 Posted 29/09/2023 at 21:56:49
The statues have to come to Bramley-Moore Dock! There has to be that link to our heritage and Goodison Park.

All the outside space for congregating and the plazas and walkways around the ground, surely there's some real great spots for them?

I'm waiting to see what the club come up with, aslo regards to naming stands. The north, south, east & west need proper names are we keeping a Kendall end? Will there be homage to Goodison? It will be sad to lose all the names we've been used to, the Bullens, the Gwladys Street & Paddock but its an opportunity to pay homage too.

The Trinity Stand has a ring to it!

The Kenwright toilets with bills face on every urinal would be an idea.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
96 Posted 29/09/2023 at 22:11:30
Ian Jones #91 - if we did an EFC club trail taking in all the sites associated with Everton then it does give the opportunity to get the phlegm off your lungs and deposit on the pavement at one particular point.

But most of us go out of our way to not walk past that part of our history.

Denis Richardson
97 Posted 29/09/2023 at 22:22:00
Nuts, the last time we played these guys was before mobile phones and the internet!

Mo Johnson got our equaliser that day. Of all people.

31 years ago - crazy.

Bobby Mallon
98 Posted 29/09/2023 at 23:06:11
I think (just my opinion) we should have a clean slate with a new ground name and stands. Out with the old Everton, in with the new. By all means call the hot dog stall Mad Dogs but let's move forward.
Bobby Mallon
99 Posted 29/09/2023 at 23:12:54
Oh, defo bring the statues.
Bill Watson
100 Posted 29/09/2023 at 23:14:01
Barry #69,

Both sides left out 5 regular starters on Wednesday so, if we beat a weakened team, it was with a weakened team!

Mark Murphy
101 Posted 29/09/2023 at 23:31:41
Andy, bring your partner to the Harlech Castle mate and we’ll make sure she feels welcome. 15 pints of lager and an Aussie white for the Sheila!
Rob Halligan
102 Posted 29/09/2023 at 23:40:13
Andy # 93……have you left yet?

Better get a move on if you haven’t!

Mike Keating
103 Posted 29/09/2023 at 00:03:26
Andy @ 93,

Took my future son in law (an Aussie who thought he might have RS tendencies) to the friendly against Dynamo Kiev. Poor sod now sets his alarm at ridiculous hours of the night to keep up with the mighty blues.

Come on Ryan

Matt Byrne
104 Posted 30/09/2023 at 00:20:08
I'd prefer the Dixie statue to stay where it is. Many of us have Goodison granite stones there in memory of dearly departed loved ones who were all great Blues who attended Goodison not Bramley-Moore Dock. All our memories with those family members are at Goodison.

I always leave flowers with my sons for my dad at every anniversary, Father's Day etc and many will feel the same. Maybe a replica of Dixie at Bramley-Moore Dock. My 8-year-old son said name the west stand after Dixie as it faces the Birkenhead side! Not a bad idea!

Chris Hockenhull
105 Posted 30/09/2023 at 00:40:20
David (88).

Yes. But I was in different parts of the grounds. But my initial memories of the 87 game will – unfortunately – be of be Les Sealy making a total twat of himself throughout the game and kicking a bucket of water over as the final whistle had gone and everyone – except him – being congratulated towards the Everton players.

Mick Davies
106 Posted 30/09/2023 at 00:50:49
Jay @66,

Can't agree that Keane had a good game the other night.

For the deflected goal, he didn't move his feet fast enough. If that would have been Tarkowski or Jarrad I'm pretty sure they would have got the block in. And then on another occasion, he gave the ball away in a dangerous area. Apart from that he was reasonably solid.

Don't you remember his idiotic attempt to keep the ball to himself, halfway up the pitch on the right wing? If it wasn't for a great save by Jordan, that was a goal of his making. He only looked better at times because he had so much defensive back up.

As for the statues, I'd feel safer with them at Bramley-Moore Dock after some cretinous urchin defaced Dixie a few years ago. Believe me, the jealousy directed from the dark side when we move will be toxic, and knowing our beloved shrines and beautiful shiny stadium are tucked up behind 12ft walls and a tidal river will help me sleep easier.

Matt Byrne
107 Posted 30/09/2023 at 00:53:38
Favourite Luton memories:

1. 5-0 to the Blues 82-83. John Bailey beat Jake Findlay their goalie from his own half. Terry Curran had a blinder. Think we battered them away too.

2. Sheedy's bobbly freekick at Villa Park.

3. Degsy heading the winner with two black eyes from Mick Harford's elbows.

4. It's Lineker to chase and look at his pace!

5. Champions 87 with Reidy's dyed black hair.

Nicolas Piñon
108 Posted 30/09/2023 at 01:03:06
Are there any Evertonians in LA tomorrow morning to watch the game?
Tim Lowe
109 Posted 30/09/2023 at 03:58:17

The SoCal Evertonians meet at The Fox and Hounds in Studio City. Usually get a decent turnout even for the 7 am games.

Kieran Kinsella
110 Posted 30/09/2023 at 04:34:00

Is LA where you're based or are you visiting? I'm halfway across the country in Kansas City but would love to meet up if you're ever this way mate.

Nicolas Piñon
111 Posted 30/09/2023 at 05:54:33
Visiting a friend and my uncle Kieran, been in San Diego and Santa Monica now. Taking note of Kansas, never’ve been yet!
Thanks for that Tim, try and make it!
Neil Wood
112 Posted 30/09/2023 at 06:52:16
Looking for a Dad and lad ticket if anyone sees any!!
Danny O’Neill
113 Posted 30/09/2023 at 07:00:36
I can see we are all torn on the statue thing. I am and don't know which way to turn.

I've mentioned many times, I'd rather refrain from naming the stands after former players and greats. I suggested Goodison, St Domingo and Rob came back with a suggestion of St Luke's, which I like.

Be original. We are 1878 The Originals.

I like the sound of the Trinity Stadium.

All of that means something to us. It's not living in the past. It's recognising and respecting it and giving those who take us to the future something to learn from.

Maybe it's time to put something in place to recognise the 80s team? Southall, Reid and the great one. I think they deserve recognition. Maybe something replicating that shot of the team with our (to date) only European trophy.

Anyway, the here and now. More of the same today, Blues. Be as positive and tenacious as you have been in the last two games. Players and supporters. Early days, but always good to climb the table.

Terry Farrell
114 Posted 30/09/2023 at 07:28:02
Tony Ev that would be my team too. Keep Garner and Onana central, Harrison starts, Mykolenko, Patterson, Calvert-Lewin and the rest as is with a strong bench.

Coyb, we have turned the long long corner!

Lee Courtliff
115 Posted 30/09/2023 at 07:49:23
Tony #78, I know, mate, I just hate playing teams that are waiting for their first victory. Same as the striker who is waiting for his first goal for his new club...it always SEEMS to happen against us. Granted, I'm sure every fan of every club feels the same way.

As regard the stadium, I know it's not possible due to finance but I'd love it to be called The New Goodison Park! I just can't imagine not saying things like, "we'll beat them at Goodison" or "I'm going to Goodison next week, got my ticket yesterday. Fuckin obstructed view, probably but at least I'm there!"

I definitely think we should take the statues, like someone else said at least we know they're safe behind 12ft walls.

Jonathan Tasker
116 Posted 30/09/2023 at 08:08:51
Rob Edwards is a very good manager. No Premier League match is straightforward.
Could DCL score for a third match in a row?
Paul Birmingham
117 Posted 30/09/2023 at 08:12:27
Interesting to see if today Sean Dyches goes with the same team bar Myko that started v Brentford.

Onana for me had his best game and he with Garmer linked well and he seemed to thrive with more space.

But as long as Everton, turn up and win its an important 3 points plus get the 1st home win.

Agreed that Luton are a threat they have nothing to loose, let's hope Everton, take them out and get a lead by half time.

I'm torn regards the monuments at Goodison, it's part of the heritage of Goodison Park.

Iconic and does the club plan to move or keep them, where they are remains to be seen.

Next game counts, Everton belive and play with the freedom, you've shown this last week.


Tony Everan
118 Posted 30/09/2023 at 08:30:20
Danny 113, I’ve not thought about that before, but I think the same about not naming the stands after former players. The names you and Rob osuggested are a really good idea, good enough to write to the club for their consideration.

It brings a link and a connection to the past that will make every fan who goes to the new stadium feel like they belong and are at home. The spirit Everton nurtured, like taking the Olympic flame from one location to another.

For similar reasons I think the statue should be moved and in a central plaza at the new stadium. Those three players would want to be in the thick of it. Everyone who goes there will want a photo, it’s an artwork that brings pride and joy.

Rob Halligan
119 Posted 30/09/2023 at 08:55:51
The debate about the naming of the stands at BMD could rumble on for a while. Naming stands after former players or managers is all well and good, but these names only form a very small percentage of a clubs history. For me, any names should be associated with the full history of the club. So, like Danny says, St. Domingo’s, because that’s the name under which we were founded, Goodison, for obvious reasons. My suggestions of St. Luke’s, because everyone associates the church with Goodison, and also St. Luke’s church is only nine years older than Goodison, so essentially they have both grown old together, and finally Prince Rupert, the lock up tower on Everton Brow, and from which our club badge originates. So it’s………….

St. Domingo stand

Goodison stand

St. Luke’s stand

Prince Rupert stand.

Four names from which we carry the legacy of Goodison Park over to BMD.

Anyone who wouldn’t understand or see the significance of these names, simply only has to Google them and see how important they are to our clubs history.

Danny Baily
120 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:03:53
Can't see anything other than 3 points today.
Andy Crooks
121 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:07:28
Hope Mike and everyone meeting at the Harlech have a great day. Three points, clean sheet and then on to the Bramley Moor. Like winning the lottery, that.
Have a great day Mike, hope to see you soon
Ant Sorvoja
122 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:12:17
Rob [118]. Really like your thought process how you are naming BMD stands based on the club legacy. Maybe you should post your idea to the club. I reckon Goodison Stand should be the one where Glawdys St season ticket holders would be sitting and take the atmosphere to the next level.

I wouldn’t mind one of the stands being Howard Kendall Stand. But maybe also appropriate if the members bar is called Kendall’s Bar.

Jay Evans
123 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:25:54
Mick 106, you make a great point about the statues and our loveable neighbours.

Bitter blues ? Don’t make me laugh ! We are not in their league when it comes to unhealthy obsession. I visited Prince Rupert’s Tower a few weeks back and the graffiti left there, not to mention the strategically thrown bags of dog crap left me under no illusion who the bitter types in our city are.

Jeff Armstrong
124 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:29:08
What about Goodison Stand, Gwladys Stand, Bullens Stand, and Park Stand, we’d definitely feel at home from the off.
Alan McGuffog
125 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:29:48
Toyed with the idea of the Marc Hottiger stand, or the Per Koldrup or some such.
Then...a brainwave.To stick two fingers up to the FA and other fuckwits who control the game

The Tony Kay stand. Make it happen

Tony Abrahams
126 Posted 30/09/2023 at 09:31:04
I’m sure Bill Kenwright, must have had his dreams about calling the stadium, OUR SAVIOUR’S PARADISE - but unfortunately for him, this plucky little kopite, decided to hang/headlock himself before we got to the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey.🙏

Reading this thread, has got me reminiscing about the teachers at school who used to tell us to grow up? What for sir, what is there to grow up for? I’d sooner forfeit the little bit of knowledge gained - to be rid of my aches and pains, singing We Shall Not Be Moved!

Rob Halligan
127 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:05:05
Ant # 122…….I know for a fact that the club are planning on incorporating bars and traditional style pubs within the stadium, and I’ve seen one could be named The Trinity Bar. No explanation needed. I can’t remember the other names for the other bars.

P.S………Michael won’t be happy about the Matchday thread being turned into a BMD thread! 😁😁😁

Dave Abrahams
129 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:11:16
I’d go along with Rob’s (119) idea’s for the naming of the stands at BMD but obviously money will guarantee the naming of the new ground, it will be vital to help the funding of the stadium, maybe they will listen to naming the stands the way Rob proposes.
Kev Jones
130 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:12:17
I like the idea of naming stands after Gwladys St etc but not St Domingo's. Too many connections to slavery, a part of our history to acknowledge but not to commemorate.
Alan McGuffog
133 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:26:03
Kev...I thought the club was originally formed from the Methodist Chapel St Domingo. What was the slavery link ?
Sam Hoare
134 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:28:17
Nice to not be somewhat dreading Everton for once! Plenty of potential of course for things to awry today of course but it’s nice to think we at least are beginning to have a plan and some players capable of scoring. And some options on the bench.

3-1 to Everton today. COYB

Kev Jones
135 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:47:13
Alan #133
The island of St Domingo was a major staging post in the conquest of the America's and to the slave trade in the Caribbean. The St Domingo estate and St Domingo Hall were built by George Campbell on the proceeds from privateering from the Island and from slavery. Campbell went on to be a mayor of Liverpool and St Domingo Hall was later taken over by John Sparling, who also made money from slavery. The original St Domingo chapel, which subsequently became the methodist church, was built between two streets named after Campbell's estate. So the link is part of our club history. How we acknowledge these connections is part of a wider conversation about how our links to slavery in the past relate to the present.
David West
136 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:49:03
Yes Sam.
Its excitement at the thought of us having a side that can actually score goals and win matches, mixed with apprehension that we've seen how easy they revert to type.

These 2 games will go a long way to see what type of season we are going to have in my opinion. Dyche will surely see the opportunity these 2 games give us to kick on.
I'm saying clean sheet 3-0 Branthwaite to score. Worth a £10

Les Callan
137 Posted 30/09/2023 at 10:59:25
Kev. Isn’t that like saying anyone whoever lived in Penny Lane is a racist ? The slavery trade was abhorrent, but I think that to link Everton directly with it is somewhat tenuous
Tony Abrahams
138 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:11:21
I’m not going the game today, but it’s genuinely the first time I’ve had that, “when Saturday comes” feeling, for a long time. Don’t let us down Everton, and hopefully this will be helped by having a crowd that are really looking forward to seeing the blues play.
Alan McGuffog
139 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:27:39
Thanks Kev...didnt know that. We get beaten up by the media enough without giving them more ammo
Alan McGuffog
140 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:27:39
Thanks Kev...didnt know that. We get beaten up by the media enough without giving them more ammo
Alan J Thompson
141 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:28:47
Not really fussed who we name as long as we go for it as this is the game where we nail somebody to be below us while, obviously, moving us higher in the table. Anyone know if Mr Dyche has gone all out attack before?
Kev Jones
142 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:31:04
Les #137

I'm not implying anyone is racist, that would be absurd. Your Penny Lane example is a good one because it shows how that history is deeply engrained in the everyday world we live in.

Simliarly, it's a fact that the name St Domingo is linked to the history of slavery. Attitudes and beliefs from that period of history still contribute to stereotypes that organizations like Kick It Out aim to get rid of in football. If the club used the name again in any form, I think it would need to find a way to acknowledge the history that comes with it.

Kev Jones
143 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:39:38
Alan #140

I think acknowledgement of the link and trying to find a way of talking about it thoughtfully would be a plus for the club.

David McMullen
144 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:44:07
Whoa Kev. You can find many tenuous links just like they did over Bramley Moore. There is no direct link. In fact so what the name St Domingo's was from the methodist church, were the players at the time all slave traders? It's bad enough having links to tories and the birth of the RS but come on.

The city has the slave trade embedded, intertwined, in it. It's not hard to see. Just like London and other places.

John Keating
145 Posted 30/09/2023 at 11:54:08
Everton Football Club. St. Domingo’s. Slavery.
FFS lads it’s a footy club
Get a grip!!
Anyway had a couple of pints in the Bramley Moor yesterday afternoon.
The bloody ground gets bigger every day
Fantastic absolutely fantastic
6 points next 2 games a must!
Off to County Road we go!!!
Dale Self
146 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:04:52
Not my soapbox but thinking of St. Domingo in that way makes it out to have been solely a slave trading outpost. Surely the locals feel differently. Too early to come up with an example but a name should not collapse to a representation of the most regrettable event for anyone.
Kev Jones
147 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:22:40
Dave # 144

I agree London and many other places have these links, I'd just never seen them made in relation to St Domingo. The question for me is that its one thing when places were named in the past in a very different context, l but do we want to be naming new places/stands that evoke 'horrible histories'?

Anyway Mr Dyche go for it like we did first half against Villa.

Craig Walker
148 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:42:26
Hope the fans can make it a cauldron and we can take the 3 points. I get nervous when the fans get impatient as it usually transfers to the players. If we play like we have been doing then we should get 3 points.


Mike Doyle
149 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:45:28
Alan #125] if my father was still alive he would agree with you about recognising Tony Kay.
In his period of watching Everton (late 1940’s -2005) he reckoned Tony Kay was the best Everton player he saw ( and in the top 3 British players he ever saw - alongside Duncan Edwards & George Best).
Alan McGuffog
150 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:56:46
Mike I must be honest, I started attending, as a little lad in 1961. My memories of TK are slender. I do seem to recall seeing him stick one on Bryan Douglas of Bkackburn and getting the early bath.
His treatment and punishment were draconian to day the least I repeat, I'd love to send a signal to the footballing world that we have long memories. Whilst I'm on my soap box could we have the away stand called the Heysel end ?
Bill Watson
151 Posted 30/09/2023 at 12:58:01
Les #137

Re Penny Lane; the Liverpool International Slavery Museum has found no link to the slave trader James Penny.

John Keating
152 Posted 30/09/2023 at 13:09:39
Tony Kay was absolutely brilliant
Him and Billy Kenny were the biggest loses to Everton Football Club
Dave Abrahams
153 Posted 30/09/2023 at 13:14:23
Alan (150) Yes that was a naughty one from Tony Kay, an elbow right in the middle of Bryan Douglas’s back, pure frustration, Blackburn ran Everton ragged that day in a 4-2 win, Pickering got a hat trick.
John Hall
154 Posted 30/09/2023 at 13:29:13
Names for the new stands:
Long stand
Stand and deliver
Stand up and shout
Standing room only
Stand by me
Stand together
Stand tall

Maybe this idea won't catch on ;)

David McMullen
155 Posted 30/09/2023 at 13:57:52
Stand corrected John.

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