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Everton travel to the City Ground this weekend needing the lift of a positive result after the setback they suffered against Manchester United at Goodison Park.

The Blues went down to a somewhat harsh but, nonetheless, fairly demoralising 3-0 defeat to the Red Devils and were left five points adrift of safety thanks to the 10-point deduction handed down by the Premier League-appointed independent commission and Luton Town's inconvenient win over Crystal Palace.

Sean Dyche's men have been at their best on their travels so far this season, though, and they would have felt as though they did enough in this fixture last season to have taken home all three points, so there is reason for optimism heading into Saturday's clash in the East Midlands.

Everton do have injury concerns, however, with Amadou Onana set to miss out with what has become a troublesome calf issue and it has emerged that Dominic Calvert-Lewin experienced tightness in the same muscle during the defeat to United and his fitness has been managed through the week.

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The striker has trained carefully indoors along with Onana, separately from the rest of the team, to give him the best chance of being fit to face Forest.

There was positive news on Beto, though, as he resumed full training after missing out last Sunday with a knock picked up at Finch Farm and he will be available. 

Meanwhile, Seamus Coleman put another week's worth of training work behind him as he builds towards his own match fitness and he could make an appearance off the bench if the opportunity arises.

For their part, Forest approach the game sitting in 15th place, with fewer points than Everton would have without the excessive penalty levied against them, with manager Steve Cooper back under scrutiny.

They've only won once in all competitions since the start of September but that solitary victory was a handsome 2-0 Midlands derby triumph over high-flying Aston Villa and, over the past season or so, they have one of the best home records in the top flight.

Cooper will be without his main striker Taiwo Awoniyi and Felipe Monteiro while Ibrahim Sangare is a doubt because of illness but, otherwise, Forest will be at full strength.

Kick-off: 5:30pm, Saturday 2 December, 2023
Referee: Paul Tierney
VAR: Michael Oliver
Last Time: Nottingham Forest 2 - 2 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Garner, Harrison, McNeil, Doucouré, Calvert-Lewin

 

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Bobby Mallon
1 Posted 01/12/2023 at 07:16:05
I have heard DCL is injured is this correct?

Does anyone know?

Mark Murphy
2 Posted 01/12/2023 at 07:45:49
I think he's doubtful Bobby.

At least if he is the option, not Maupay…

Time to shine Beto!!

Tony Abrahams
3 Posted 01/12/2023 at 08:02:13
I’ve just seen this thread and thought ah that’s good we still play football, after reading a piece about Dyche saying football doesn’t need monitors on the side of the pitch (I half agree with this, but like the length of time this process takes, I’d need to write an essay to explain my reasoning) and it doesn’t need sin-bins (I completely disagree with our manager on this one) because the best referee’s are the ones you don’t notice.

That was in a bye gone age imo, because the first thing I noticed when scrolling through this thread was Tierney is refereeing and Oliver is on VA fucking R, and this is unfortunately where football is at right now, and it is slowly sucking the life out of many old school football lovers, imo.

A tough fixture, and one where I would normally say just don’t get beat, and although the pressure is mounting in some quarters, I’ve still got the same opinion, but because that pressure is mounting I’m certain a lot of people will be viewing this game as a must win?

Hopefully the game passes without controversy, and Everton can keep up with their decent form away from Goodison Pk🤞

Mark Ryan
4 Posted 01/12/2023 at 08:56:40
This has been my biggest concern amidst the recent financial worries, DCL trying to stay fit.

If he plays, we have every chance. His presence is not always about him finding the net. The team are simply so much better with him in it.

We need the 3 points to bolster confidence. I hope he plays, fingers crossed for him.

John Keating
5 Posted 01/12/2023 at 10:03:15
Without doubt, in my opinion, a must win game.
I’d play in that gray strip and tell the players Nottingham is in London
Danny O’Neill
6 Posted 01/12/2023 at 10:48:09
We're going in tomorrow. As we do every week. Almost 3,000 of the travelling blue army.

We can focus on the football and ignore the circus.

We will no doubt take banter. Give it back. They could be next.

But the most important thing tomorrow are those 90 plus minutes and getting behind those in Royal Blue on the pitch.

Be loud, be clear and be proud.

Peter Mills
7 Posted 01/12/2023 at 10:52:53
We have been picking up points away from home, this match is against one of the weaker teams in the league.

Following the points deduction, we cannot view the game as a “must not lose”, but as a “must win” - such is the pressure brought upon us by the EPL’s disproportionate penalty.

Kevin Naylor
8 Posted 01/12/2023 at 11:05:00
We must take every game as a must win now and hope we can get to 50 points (without the deduction) and then put 2 fingers up to the PL.
Brian Harrison
9 Posted 01/12/2023 at 11:08:11
Looks like DCL might not start but better news of Beto, there are no easy games in the Premier league, and in our position every point will be vital in our bid to avoid relegation. Against Utd when they broke with pace we struggled and Forest have got a couple of quick players so we will need to be very careful not to get caught out.
John Gall
10 Posted 01/12/2023 at 11:09:01
Calvert-Lewin out, Beto in. No chance. Danny likes his military metaphors, but the players have to do the business, not the fans, and I don't think we've got enough without a top player up front. If those 10 points are not given back to us then I think we're in big trouble.
Dave Lynch
11 Posted 01/12/2023 at 11:44:28
If we don't get those points back as john states we are bang in trouble, both financially and at great risk of taking the drop.

This IS a must win.

Dave Abrahams
12 Posted 01/12/2023 at 11:45:17
Peter (7), Your last paragraph is so very true Peter, the Commissions verdict has added pressure to our fight to stay in the Premier League while adding an increased incentive to clubs battling to stay up which should be stated at our appeal.
Geoff Lambert
13 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:19:56
John #10 "Calvert-Lewin out, Beto in. No chance"

Could he be any worse than the hapless DCL? powder puff shooting and heading can't hit the barn never mind the door.

Ajay Gopal
14 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:22:33
I liked Chermiti's short cameo last week against United. With his new haircut, he looks like he means business. And Patterson in for Young.

Chermiti
McNeil Gana Doucoure Garner McNeil
Myko Branthwaite Tarkowski Patterson
Pickford

SUBS: Virginia, Keane, Coleman, Young, Beto, Dobbin

Jim Wilson
15 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:33:08
I'm with Tony @ 3 a draw would be a good result. Just get another unbeaten run going and keep the moral and spirit going.
COYB
WSNBM!
John Raftery
16 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:34:03
Tony (3) I agree with everything you say except I would scrap the pitch side monitors entirely. It has become a farcical ritual. Sin bins would punish teams during the course of matches for the annoying so called professional fouls which halt counterattacks. Manchester City are experts at it.

I think tomorrow’s game is one we should approach with a ‘must not lose’ attitude. Forest will be all out to niggle and disrupt. Our players will need to match that and hopefully produce a few moments of quality as we have done in the away wins in London.

James Marshall
17 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:39:58
I don't think sin bins or VAR work for football. Just because video referees work for things like rugby and cricket, I'm not convinced it'll ever work for football purely because of the nature of the game and how it flows.

Sin bins are OK for ice hockey but football? I fail to see how it can work on any level.

As others have said this week - just leave the game alone. It's worked fine for years without all this intervention - VAR just complicates everything, instead of making it simpler (the very reason it was introduced).

If we must have technology, OK use it for goal-line stuff, but leave the rest for referees and linesmen (linespeople) to sort out live. When you remove the jeopardy, you remove the joy and fun out of the game - the very reasons every child, and then adult falls in love with the game in the first place.

As for the Forest game - we need to win it, as we need to win every game. I firmly believe if we don't get some of the 10 points back, we're going down.

Iain Latchford
18 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:49:07
Pretty confident 34 points would keep us up this season. So 30 points required from 25 games, which seems more than possible. Could mean yet another nerve shredding end to the season though.

I can't even begin to think about another potential points deduction.

Dale Self
19 Posted 01/12/2023 at 12:51:39
We must believe that every game is a must win so if it doesn’t happen we can stick one in Dyche. Ride the Dinosaur! xG!cG!xG!
Joe McMahon
20 Posted 01/12/2023 at 13:18:15
DCL hasn't looked as sharp the last couple of matches, this may explain why. Sean has to use all striking options and not rely on DCL.
Danny O’Neill
21 Posted 01/12/2023 at 13:28:39
That's right John. Just focus on the football and don't rise to the surrounding Billy Smart's Circus. Certainly the players.

Well for 90 odd minutes anyway.

As a footballer, you instinctively set out to win. If you can't win, you try not to lose.

Fighting spirit blues. We will be there with you.

Christy Ring
22 Posted 01/12/2023 at 14:49:45
I hope Dom is fit for tomorrow, and I hope he starts Seamus, Young needs to be dropped.
Christopher Timmins
23 Posted 01/12/2023 at 14:54:51
Dom to start and Everton to win!

Ed Prytherch
24 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:04:30
I agree with Ajay #14 that Chermiti looked sharp when he came on against ManU but Beto is more likely to start if Dom is not available.
Derek Cowell
25 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:05:13
Re Sin Bins. There is already an experiment going on lower down the football pyramid. I often go to watch South Liverpool in the 10th tier and they have a 10 min sin bin for any player who abuses the referee. I have seen it operated on a couple of occasions.

I think the Forest game is a must win game for us, as are all the games we have yet to play against the teams outside to the top 6, who we rarely beat anyway.

Of our remaining 25 games, 11 are v the Sky 6, 2 are v Newcastle and 1 each v Villa and Brighton. That leaves 10 almost must win games plus hoping we can get some more surprising results in the other much tougher games.

That would still probably only give us a total of 34 points ( a half decent 44 without the deduction) so we have to hope the other bottom teams continue to be really bad for the rest of the season and if nothing else we HAVE to beat them, which up to now we haven't done in the league (Luton and Sheff Utd).

Fingers well and truly crossed.

Danny O’Neill
26 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:15:51
As well as better implementation of VAR and actually having competent officials, we can take a lot of lessons from Rugby. I'd be for Sin Bins.

Take 10 minutes and calm down where appropriate rather than being booked or sent off.

Almost a traffic light system. Yellow = sin bin. Amber = booking in the current context. Red is red.

Jay Harris
27 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:32:25
The PROBLEM WITH SIN BINS WHICH I USED TO BE IN FAVOUR OF IS,AS SD EXPLAINED, THE PLAYERS HAVE TO WARM DOWN AND WARM UP AND A 10 MINUTE SIN BIN DOESNT GIVE TIME FOR THAT.

I would propose a 3 card system with green for the first foul, yellow the second and then red. This would reduce the number of red cards imo which tend to ruin a game and would give the players fair warning that they have to knock it off.

James Marshall
28 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:50:27
Surely if you're going to introduce a new card system, it would be yellow, orange, red?

I'd be far more in favour of that than anything else anyone has come up with. It's also a far more organic progression of the games rules if you look at it historically.

Keep the game simple - VAR has proven that new technology doesn't lend itself well to the game, and sin bins would just be yet another bone of contention which everyone would argue about - an orange card is a good halfway house in my view.

John Kavanagh
29 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:50:51
I just hope we put in a performance tomorrow, but even if we do the Premier League's PGMOL minions are being put to work to guarantee our relegation.

And even if by some miracle we do manage to accrue enough points to avoid being in the bottom three by April, we are being fast tracked by the EPL for a second points deduction hearing to be completed in May, according to the Times. This leak was made deliberately to destroy any confidence our players have in staying up.

So all we can do is go down fighting. Hopefully, our finishing will be better tomorrow and we avoid VAR penalties and/or sendings off. I hope DCL is fit enough to start as losing Onana is already a significant blow.

We desperately need a morale boosting win. Chermiti to get a late winner. COYB.

Barry Hesketh
30 Posted 01/12/2023 at 15:52:11
Absolutely against any form of 'Sin-Bin', it'll mean, that when the players of the elite clubs make an error of judgement in a tackle, they'll be put on the sidelines for ten minutes, whilst the players of other clubs will be sent off for the remaining entirety of the game. If we didn't know better, we might think that the officials and the law-makers are seeking ever more ways to influence the outcome of football matches and league positions.

I don't know why they just don't get the sly six clubs to play each other eight times a season and let the rest of us get on with the battle to stay in the league.

Jay Harris
31 Posted 01/12/2023 at 16:00:31
John #29 the club have come out and said They are well within the guidelines although we have to take anything that comes out of the hierarchy with a pinch of salt these days.
John Kavanagh
32 Posted 01/12/2023 at 16:13:59
Jay, I share your distrust of statements made by the club, as I well remember Chairman Bill's assurances that everything was OK. However, even if we are OK under the current rules, you can rely on the EPL to change them or 're-interpret' them between now and May to comply with its pre-determined verdict and punishment.
Brian Wilkinson
33 Posted 01/12/2023 at 16:30:57
If anyone has a spare ticket going can you drop me a text on 07887727598

Nowhere else on the site to ask.

Regards
Brian

James Marshall
34 Posted 01/12/2023 at 16:45:46
Brian@33

Try here as well mate

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/23-24/comment/general/44150.html

Terry Farrell
35 Posted 01/12/2023 at 17:16:27
Same plea as every game so far. Patterson in for Young.
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 01/12/2023 at 17:42:25
If Beto starts let's hope he's fit, badly needs a goal doesn't he, at the end of the day strikers are judged on goals.

I believe we need to win this game, looking at the fixtures we've got coming up and given that our home form is inept still, I think going away to Forest really represents a great chance to take three points and stick the middle finger up to that vermin in the Premier League.

Pat Kelly
37 Posted 01/12/2023 at 18:06:08
Has Beto been put out to grass yet ?
Raymond Fox
38 Posted 01/12/2023 at 18:15:03
We are slight favs in the betting, its a likely draw for me, although I wouldnt be that suprised with any result.

Although we are now more of a goal threat we still miss too many chances to be confident of winning games.

Here's hoping.

James Marshall
39 Posted 01/12/2023 at 18:31:33
Beto is goal shy - he was at Udinese as well so relying on him is a fools errand.

Is DCL fit? I watched Dyche's presser but kinda missed if he spoke about him.

Peter Jones
40 Posted 01/12/2023 at 18:55:02
I suspect Beto will score a brace. Just a hunch.
Peter Moore
41 Posted 01/12/2023 at 19:07:25
I think Dyche knows Forest better than any other team, due to his connections there and proximity to his home.
I think he will, 'have their number' and we will execute the right tactics, take our chances and emerge with victory. COYB.
The stupendously fantastic away support will greatly assist in the achievement of the win.
Negativity and lack of belief are enemies of achievement.
We need to keep the faith, keep the belief and transmit that spirit to the lads on the pitch. Easier said than done, but our away support do it better than any. I believe that is a massive part of our away record this season.
Huge thanks to the brilliant support. 👏🏼 UTFT.
Richard Duff
42 Posted 01/12/2023 at 19:41:00
The last time we faced Forest away in a relegation scrap, I was in the Forest end to see a slightly injured Duncan Ferguson score a brace. Steve Stone played in that one. I’m with those who have a sense that Beto could do the same.

He’s tall, ungainly and likely a bit erratic with his finishing, but just when you think he’s hopeless, a towering header out of nowhere or an instinctive shot from a tight angle will go in.

I felt we would beat Palace and I have the same feeling about this one.

Barry Hesketh
43 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:06:30
Just a quick question for TW members and the Eds, my web protection program keeps flagging an unsafe site
'new2sportnews.com' whenever I choose to visit ToffeeWeb.

Have any others had this issue, or has ToffeeWeb gone into partnership with another site, or perhaps, the flagged site has somehow managed to piggy-back itself onto TW?

Ari Sigurgeirsson
44 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:07:02
Andy Burnham is ACE. I have said to myself, no matter what happens to Everton in the near future. We will have the new stadium in 2 years and I hope I will be alive then.

COYB! (or UTFT!)

ps: if Everton will be relegated, I will continue to support them no matter what. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, whether it is right or wrong, no matter what!

Kieran Kinsella
45 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:14:30
Barry,

I have an issue on my phone when I go to ToffeeWeb it immediately diverts to some kind of spam site that gets a similar safety warning.

Peter Moore
46 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:20:56
Kieren and Barry (And Lyndon and Michael).

Same here, same Spam attack thing happens when I try to open ToffeeWeb. I close the spam page, then I can get to TW.

It's a slight ball ache though, and a concern.
Hopefully whatever it is, is sorted soon.

Andy Crooks
47 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:33:40
Pete, Kieran, Barry, all you need to do is log in to the spam sight, give them your bank details, upload your passport and you'll never hear from them again. Worked a treat for me!!!!
Kieran Kinsella
48 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:35:33
Andy lol I'll give it a shot
Barry Hesketh
49 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:35:46
Andy @47,

I did that immediately and they sent an apology and were so sympathetic to my plight, that they put a tenner in my bank account, to help me get by.

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
50 Posted 01/12/2023 at 21:54:00
Sorry, folks. We have an interloper again. It appears to be a phishing exercise rather than anything malicious. The offending code has been removed so those security warnings and unwanted redirects should stop now.
Neil Copeland
52 Posted 01/12/2023 at 23:14:48
Barry #49, that’s nothing, I downloaded a copy of my driving licence too and they gave me £15!
Paul Kossoff
53 Posted 01/12/2023 at 00:02:47
A lot of people are forgetting how abysmal some of these so called pro,s have been this season. Three home games against very poor sides and one away, again against possibly the worst side In the league, 12 points to play for, we got? 1. Beaten by Fulham, but oh, we should have won that one. Beaten by Wolves, but oh, we should have won that one, (heard that one before) beaten by Luton, but oh, we should have won that one, yes and I've heard that one as well. If we had taken at least 7 points from those games we would not, even after ten points deduction been where we are today. Same old story against M U, oh we created plenty of chances, we could have, should have.
I'm worried that certain players will give up, and already have the agents looking for a way out of shit street if we go down, even jumping ship in January. You think this squad will start playing out of their skins because of what's happened? Watch this space. PS, yes I'm getting a bit fed up with the premier league,s bull shit best league in the world con, and players on God knows wages just not giving 100%. I Wish the chosen six had left for pastures millions greener, then we would have had a truly honest even competitive league. Rant over Coyb.
Dale Self
54 Posted 02/12/2023 at 00:36:25
No man. Those players you refer to in the last paragraph were sold off or don't play now. The team has not played together long enough to sustain form is all. We can't reload with same for same so we wobble from time to time. We will find the kind of form that will get us a couple of unexpected results. xG!xG!xG! UTFT!!
Derek Knox
55 Posted 02/12/2023 at 02:16:51
Andy @ 47, " Worked a treat for me!!!! "

It must be the luck of the Irish, send me all your details and see if it works for me too! 🤔😜

Looking forward to this game like every game, but having watched Forest a few times, they are no mugs, in fact I don't believe there are any bad teams in the Premier League. Points on the table aren't always a fair representation. Bent reffing and VARs can see to that !

Calvert-Lewin being a possible absentee, is a bit of a blow, and while he hasn't scored in the last few games, he has led the line admirably. Patterson for Young should be a no-brainer.

COYB 👍💙💙

Jay Harris
56 Posted 02/12/2023 at 04:08:32
Paul,

You seem to forget that, due to the remarkable foresight by the board, we were without a recognized goalscorer for those games.

Since Calvert-Lewin came back, we have looked a totally different proposition, beating Villa, Palace and West Ham away and Bournemouth and Burnley at home and were looking to have a better season until the Premier League decided to torpedo us.

Neil Carter
57 Posted 02/12/2023 at 04:22:16
Need this one tomorrow – as moral backing for the fight off the pitch.

COYBs!!!!

Tony Everan
58 Posted 02/12/2023 at 08:44:47
It’s very sad that the actual football now feels like a sideshow with most of the talk on all the other stuff happening. Maybe this is even more dangerous than the points deduction, the whole psychological effect of it.

Last week was a bit of a strange day, the once in a lifetime goal, coupled with not burying three very good chances to counter that , tap into the passion and anger set the story for the game.

After that it is massively important we try to wrestle momentum back, we cannot afford to slip into reverse gear. Nottingham Forest are a bit more stable this season, picking up enough scrappy wins. The secret today is the timeless one of defending well , silencing the home crowd and being clinical with our chances.

Above all don’t concede first, whilst not impossible the stats are appalling when we do - one point in the eight games we’ve gone behind in. Dyche needs to do something about that, it’s partly his job to change things up offensively in match and get the right mentality into the players to deal with it.

With Dom having a knock it’s time to give Beto his opportunity. Along with Danjuma, hopefully Patterson or Seamus in at Right back. With the crazy schedule coming up it’s important to start using our squad to keep everyone fit and fresh.

Prediction; Notts Forest 1 Everton 2. COYBLUES!

Martin Farrington
59 Posted 02/12/2023 at 08:57:14
Lyndon @ 50

They were either the worst cyber hackers ever or the most desperate. Don't they know we are potless and pointless?

Unless they were looking to syphon money to us as a gesture of compassion.

Martin Farrington
60 Posted 02/12/2023 at 09:04:18
Kinda concerned. We so need a performance. McNeil, Harrison, Garner have got to put in a shift big time.
Doucoure has gotta get that petulance sorted and channel it into a productive 90.

Calvert-Lewin (if he plays) has gotta show some form. We know Young will be right back even if he was just a torso. So that's where Forest will hit us.

Gaye needs to stay and cover, let Garner roam. Refs and VARs are gonna go heavily against us as we know.

Good luck lads. COYB

Oliver Molloy
61 Posted 02/12/2023 at 09:35:04
Defeat will not be good for morale within the group. We have five points to claw back and, unlike some, I don't think it will be easy – the manager and players must approach the rest of the season on the basis we are we are and we will not be getting any points back.

Hoping for a win, but I would settle for 1 point.

Frank Sheppard
62 Posted 02/12/2023 at 09:35:13
Patterson in for Young.

Don't risk Calvert-Lewin, we have been there far too often, give either Beto or Chermiti a start.

Kim Vivian
63 Posted 02/12/2023 at 09:45:32
I shall be watching every minute of this (WiFi streams permitting – not a Sky customer) but I do have a real feeling of trepidation. The prospect of Young starting, Calvert-Lewin injured and replaced by Beto, Harrison and McNeil performing to form, the general mood around the club and the bloody weather are not conducive to optimism.

However, I felt optimistic last week so hopefully expectation and results will reverse again. We badly need a win – this is a six pointer, no mistake – but I fear a draw. At least their big unit striker (whose name escapes me) is out.

Jason Li
64 Posted 02/12/2023 at 09:56:50
Need to find a way for Mykolenko to be allowed to move forward more often today. He's found his shooting boots this season. Like Stuart Pearce, both in the tackle and when taking pot shots.

Player of the season so far at both ends of the pitch.

Bonus: He will also draw players across the pitch away from Ashley Young.

James Marshall
65 Posted 02/12/2023 at 10:01:41
Forest are strong at home so I don't expect much from today to be honest. Last week they lost at home to Brighton, but that's the first game they've lost at home since April.

A draw would be a decent result in reality.

Kevin Naylor
66 Posted 02/12/2023 at 10:26:40
Losing to inferior oppositon (especially at home) crept in years ago (Bradford and Wigan in the cup, to name but a couple), not sure how or why we seem to let these teams look like world beaters but, if it doesn't stop this season, we are definitely doomed.

Big problem is we have 2 main strikers who've scored 3 league goals between them in 13 games (admittedly Beto hasn't played that much). We simply have to take chances when they come and hopefully today that will start.

Jerome Shields
67 Posted 02/12/2023 at 10:39:36
Good Luck, Everton. they should have gotten over the usual setback of the International break, having got their ass kicked.

Hopefully Dyche will make the right selections.

Robert Tressell
68 Posted 02/12/2023 at 11:05:49
Kevin # 66. Losing at home to inferior opposition results from a few things.

Firstly, the opposition clubs may not be so grand but their players are not inferior. Today, Forest will field a side at least equal to ours. We do not have better players.

Secondly, often due to lack of money and innovation (and a horribly small club mentality), we persistently fail to invest in our attack. We are left with a side capable of scoring goals on the counter or at set pieces – but not from dominant possession.

We struggle to break down any patient organised side basically because we just don't have enough talent (and sometimes ambition) in attack. This hurts the home form most, because the onus is on us to attack and we can't do it.

Kevin Naylor
69 Posted 02/12/2023 at 11:32:47
Robert (68),

I was mainly pointing out that this 'disease' has been with us for a long time now. I find it criminal we lost to Luton and, when Sheff Utd come to Goodison, if we don't beat them, then we don't deserve to stay up (though we may already be down by then).

I don't look upon Forest as one of those inferior teams and think we'll be lucky to get a point in all honesty.

Brian Wilkinson
70 Posted 02/12/2023 at 11:37:07
Probs as well I never got a ticket, was always my bogey ground. All nine visits back in the early '80s and early '90s I never saw us win there – the couple I missed we bloody won – so every chance we will now get the 3 points, but certainly one of our bogey grounds.

We should be all right this financial year with the Iwobi and Gordon sales and some off the wages bill, if we have gone over again then we really have screwed up in accounts and only have ourselves to blame, I cannot see it though.

Anyway let's get the 3 points in the bag today and with Newcastle coming up we have to hope Doucoure and Branthwaite can avoid picking up a yellow card, if Young starts and gets a yellow, at least we know he will not play against Newcastle with his 5th booking.

Bit of a tightrope now with BranthswaIte and Doucoure both on 4 yellow cards.

I'm going for a 2-nil win.

Tony Everan
71 Posted 02/12/2023 at 11:45:46
This is it Robert, and it’s why we struggle when we go a goal down. Average teams can then sit back and defend in regulation fashion against our attackers. Quality is the main issue, but players stepping up, manager being able to change the system slightly, effective substitutions earlier, are also factors.

We’ve said it a thousand times, like a broken record but we need that tenacious, goalscoring no10 ….sadly for nowt ! Kevin Thelwell is a shrewd operator, so maybe he can deliver something.

Dele has the quality, but with him it’s all hope rather than any expectation.

Brian Wilkinson
72 Posted 02/12/2023 at 11:58:10
Before we get down to the serious stuff I will tell you of a tale on one of my visits to the city ground, never forget it, it was switched to a Sunday, because there was a goose fair on in Nottingham on the Saturday, I kid you not.

Anyway it got switched to Sunday 7th October 1990, my birthday, I set off early and instead of getting on at Manchester Pic, I got clever and thought jump the train to Stockport and catch the train there, wrong choice, trains diverted that Sunday, don’t run through Stockport, so jumped on a train back to Manchester Piccadilly, bad choice, first and only stop Liverpool Lime street, so ended up back in Liverpool.

Managed to finally get a train to Nottingham, missed part of the first half, finally got in and already a goal down, then Neil McDonald scored a blinder to put us level, happy Days, that was as good as it got, Hodge and Jemson banged a goal each in to make the final score 3-1 for Forest and a shitty birthday and train ride home, never a lucky ground for me the City ground, shitty open end corner with a floodlight in the away end terracing.

So you owe me a performance today Everton, do not even care if it ricochets off someone’s backside and we get a scrappy one nil win, as long as we get a win there.

Tom Bowers
73 Posted 02/12/2023 at 12:22:35
We are a team that will struggle against any other team due to obvious weaknesses already pointed out over and over.

Yes we have had three good away wins in London but are still vulnerable.

The midfield is still weak and cannot cope well with other teams who work harder and are stronger in the tackle.

Forest will cause problems and like Luton, Fulham and Wolves will hope to score first and deflate Everton.

I wish I could be more confident but there isn't much there to have confidence about.

Young starting again, DCL nursing an injury again, and Onana out is all disconcerting.
I fear the midfield will struggle again.

They played quite well against Manure but not scoring and conceding inside two minutes does not get you much.

Anthony Dove
74 Posted 02/12/2023 at 12:36:36
Please no more tinkering with the game. If a player dissents
he gets a yellow card. Very simple really. Orange cards and
sins bins? Probably the same person who thought up the Rwanda scheme and the phasing out of smoking.

VAR is sucking the enjoyment out of the game. The VAR officials are now running the game through the referee’s earpiece and the standard of refereeing is falling off a cliff. Maybe someone can start a petition for its abolition.

Think a draw us favourite today but who knows what VAR will serve up

Dale Self
75 Posted 02/12/2023 at 12:38:15
I’m still trying to work out game scenarios. Forest are a sit back and counter team but after losing at home may be less willing to stay with that. I think it could be a game of attrition early on. Everton won’t force the issue with Gana in for Onana. I think it will be a wait them out proposition which suits our light squad situation.
Eddie Dunn
76 Posted 02/12/2023 at 12:39:43
Brian -I was a student in nottingham in the early 80's and saw us regularly in the midlands at the time and went to Forest quite often.
The Goose Fair is nothing to do with geese these days but the whole city seemed to converge onto Foerest Fields to partake in the usual fairgroud rides and meet giant men in kilts and watch the boxing booths where drunk local thugs would have the shit punched out of them by hard old bastards.
Don't think I ever saw us win there.
As for this afternoon, I am worried that all the "noise" has got to our group.
Without DCL, we will lack an outball and we know that Young has a big fat target on his back.
We all need a sign that these lads can dig in for a result.
Brian Wilkinson
77 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:08:02
Often wondered what the goose fair was Eddie, cheers for clearing that up, at least it’s not just me that never had any luck at the City ground.

With you going a lot of games in the Midlands not sure the game I am on about is before your time down there, it was around 81-82 I think, we played Birmingham City and think it finished 1 all, was a night match, it was one of the first games Southall played in, and when I got back home, I said to my dad he is going to be a cracking goal keeper, I got that one right he had a blinder that night, wasn’t his debut but one of the early games he played in.

Robert Williams
78 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:17:49
At what time does the 'creche' go live?
Kim Vivian
79 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:46:21
Got some toys you want to throw around, Robert?
Eddie Dunn
80 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:48:40
Brian -I didn't go to that Birmingham game but I do recall us playing a night game at County with Kendall providing a masterclass at the age of 35.
Bill Gall
81 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:48:51
Just thinking about this idea of a sin bin and what would happen if your keeper gets a 10min penalty, your going to bring your reserve keeper on so who goes off. Today we just have to start to finish off some of the chances we create. I don't think this is a must win game I believe the attitude must be to win every game regardless of the opponent.We have to start scoring.
Dale Self
82 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:54:07
Please don’t fuck with the rules like Yanks have with their sports. It will all devolve into cornhole if you do
Paul Washington
83 Posted 02/12/2023 at 13:57:21
Eddie #80
I remember that game well, HK was the best player on the park by a mile.
Oh and the heating broke on the train going home bloody freezing!
Alan McGuffog
84 Posted 02/12/2023 at 14:27:08
It'd be great. let's have the game divided into four quarters. Ten minute breaks allowing more time for Coke, EE and Ford adverts.
Would love to see / hear " we are the bleeding champions " echo out every time we get a throw in. Cheer leaders ! Bollocks to that, let's have naked wrestling in jelly. Anything to detract from the shite offered up on the pitch. Football needs sexing up.
Brian Wilkinson
85 Posted 02/12/2023 at 14:51:25
Don’t forget time outs Alan, our midfielders slapping each other’s backs for gaining 2 yards upfield.

Did anyone see that lower league goal in midweek, goalkeeper had ball did a flop on the floor time wasting, ball squirmed out of his grasp when he hit the floor leaving a tap in for the opposing player who must have thought xmas has come early, wish I could remember what game it was.

Brian Wilkinson
86 Posted 02/12/2023 at 15:06:05
Found it.

As the game ticked over into stoppage time, referee Darren Drysdale awarded Wycombe a drop ball after Stryjek had gone down following a Barnsley corner.

Stryjek attempted to waste time by delaying picking up the ball, allowing Cosgrove to close him down.

The Polish keeper eventually picked up the ball but fell over and spilled it after coming into light contact with the Barnsley striker.

Stryjek appealed for a free-kick but the referee waved play on, allowing Cosgrove to hit the ball into an empty net.

"I've been desperate for that first goal. I've been contributing in other ways on the pitch but to get that first goal is nice," added Cosgrove, who joined on a free transfer from Birmingham in September.

"Yeah there's a bit of contact but nowhere near enough for him to fall on the floor. There was no chance I wasn't going to put the ball in the back of the net and it is up to the ref then to make that decision.

"Keepers notoriously get a lot more decisions going for them, they can be a bit more vulnerable going up to get balls. But in that scenario like that there is absolutely no need to go down in that fashion, so kudos to the ref."

Have a look at that goal be on YouTube somewhere, comedy gold.

Mihir Ambardekar
87 Posted 02/12/2023 at 15:44:27
The way we lost against Man Utd, I am not confident for this one. We were on the ascendency and then this points deduction trully deflated us. Despite some good performances away, I am not very sure. We are not that great and not converting chances. No point discussing xG when we are not scoring.

I see Burnley and Luton have improved just at the time when we have got points deduction. We need run of games where we win. Otherwise this time we are in much difficult position.

Tony Everan
88 Posted 02/12/2023 at 16:19:40
Beto starts as Calvert-Lewin not fit, Ashley Young keeps his place. Other than Beto same team as Man Utd… according to Mr Bobble.

This is why it was important to have proper backup to Calvert-Lewin. Great opportunity for Beto to stake his claim, looking forward to seeing how he does.

COYBLUES!


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