Season › 2024-25 › News Coleman forced off during Carsley's winning England managerial debut Michael Kenrick and Lyndon Lloyd 07/09/2024 194comments | Jump to last Ireland 0 - 2 England Seamus Coleman didn’t make it past the hour mark for the Republic of Ireland but Lee Carsley recorded a solid win in his first match as England’s interim manager against a backdrop of media furore over his refusal to sing the national anthem. Coleman hobbled off after 57 minutes following a heavy tackle by Harry Maguire to be replaced by his Everton team-mate, Jake O’Brien, and immediately becomes a fitness concern for the Blues’ next Premier League game against Aston Villa in a week’s time. Meanwhile, Carsley, who has made his name as coach of the England U21s without any fuss, was was taking charge of his first senior international fixture having been targeted in the build-up by certain right-leaning newspapers and their mock outrage over his decision not to sing God Save The King before kick-off. The former Everton midfielder, who was born in Birmingham but played as a full international for Ireland to reflect his heritage, has simply said singing the national anthem "is not my style" and that he found it an unnecessary distraction when preparing for games to start. Article continues below video content "This [singing the anthem] is something that I always struggled with when I was playing for Ireland. "The gap between your warm-up, you're coming on to the pitch and the delay with the anthems. So it's something that I have never done. I was always really focused on the game and my first actions of the game. I really found that in that period I was wary about my mind wandering off. "I was really focused on the football and I have taken that into coaching. "We had the national anthem with the Under 21s also and I am in a zone at that point. I am thinking about how the opposition are going to set up and our first actions within the game. "I fully respect both anthems and understand how much they mean to both countries." Previously, the focus had been on former Irish players, Declan Rice and Jack Grealish, who switched their national allegiance to England before they found international success but there are calls for Carsley to be sacked before his audition to succeed Gareth Southgate has even begun. England, with Jordan Pickford playing the full 90 minutes, eventually ran out comfortable winners in the Nations League Group B game thanks to goals scored, somewhat ironically, by Rice and Grealish with Carsley's side playing attractive attacking football to cement their obvious superiority well before half-time. Everton's concern, of course, will be around Coleman and whether he was withdrawn simply as a precaution having received treatment on his ankle on the pitch by Ireland's medical staff. Reader Comments (194) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Mark Murphy 1 Posted 07/09/2024 at 10:49:25 The Mail and the Express have stirred up the mob by denouncing Lee Carsley, who played for Ireland, for not singing the English National anthem.That's him available soon as our next manager I hope.The Guardian have done a piece about Carsley in which they call Eddie Howe “the only successful English manager of an elite club”. I asked them to define 'successful' and 'elite'. James Hughes 2 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:10:07 Who cares if he sings the anthem or not? Jim Wilson 3 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:12:49 Well played Lee.Bring him back to Goodison! Nigel Scowen 4 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:14:32 He didn't sing the Irish National anthem as a player either, who gives a monkeys Michael Kenrick 5 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:15:06 What a absolutely despicable 'headline' from the utterly dreadful Mail:Lee Carsley shockingly admits he will NOT sing the national anthem when he takes charge of England against Ireland in Dublin... risking fan fury on his audition as interim manager Fred Quick 6 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:21:34 Mark @1The last English manager to win a trophy in England, was Harry Redknapp with Portsmouth back in 2008. The list of honours won by English managers since the inception of the Premier League is as follows:Ron Atkinson (Villa 1994) League cup.Roy Evans (Liverpool 1995 ) League CupJoe Royle (Everton 1995) FA CupBrian Little (Aston Villa 1996) League CupSteve McLaren (Middlesbrough 2004) League CupHarry Redknapp (Portsmouth 2008) FA CupSince 1992, there have been an unbelievable 21 occasions where the losing finalist in a major cup final has been managed by an Englishman; 11 FA Cup finals and 10 League Cup finals, including Trevor Francis, Bryan Robson and Glenn Hoddle, who have all lost in both finals. This seems to suggest that the big occasion isn't handled well by the English managers.An even more alarming statistic is that only five English managers have taken charge of a Premier League side in the Champions League — Harry Redknapp (Spurs), Bobby Robson (Newcastle), Ray Harford (Blackburn), Howard Wilkinson (Leeds) and Phil Thompson, who took over as caretaker manager of Liverpool for a number of matches during the 2001/02 season while Gerard Houllier was recovering from a heart attack.English ManagersThey don't have Eddie Howe in that list managing Newcastle last season, because the article was published in 2018. Come on Sean Dyche your time has arrived? Tony Abrahams 7 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:31:16 My team was shite, but did you see the way they sang the anthem before the game? Mick O'Malley 8 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:39:28 What a load of nonsense, who cares if he sings I or not.I wouldn't sing it either. Trevor Bailey 9 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:50:55 Excellent choice by Lee Carsley. It's a boring bloody dirge anyway. Alan McGuffog 10 Posted 07/09/2024 at 11:55:06 He's Irish, sort of. Why should he sing our bloody awful anthem? If I lived in the USA, would I be expected to sing Home On The Range or whatever the feck they sing there? Dennis Stevens 11 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:00:30 Isn't it the UK anthem as there isn't a separate English anthem? Bloody dirge it is too.I suspect that, if they win, nobody will care. Kevin O'Regan 12 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:19:20 Does anyone care? Good decision by Lee. Move on. Robert Tressell 13 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:33:40 Strange that the so called nationalistic Express and Mail are so determined to undermine this country. They are like crack for thick people. I presume they'd rather have shit managers like Lampard or Gerrard in charge as long as they were belting the anthem like Barry from Eastenders. Rob Jones 14 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:43:42 It's not strange at all, Robert. These people count on stirring outrage and misery. It hides the fact that they don't believe in anything at all beyond fragmenting the population. Matt Byrne 15 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:46:32 The Mail hate Everton so it's no surprise they are going after a manager who played a significant part of his playing career with us. Danny O’Neill 16 Posted 07/09/2024 at 12:51:15 I don't bother too much for the England football team. I agree with Dennis about the anthem. It's the UK one, not the English one. I used to debate this with my wife, who was staunchly English, whereas I never have been.I may pop out and watch it later, but I don't care if Lee Carsley sings either anthem or not. I haven't looked, is Jake O'Brien in the Irish squad? John Hall 17 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:14:54 The English National anthem should be Land Of Hope And Glory for sports games. For the political agenda it should be 'God save the King', but that is the UK and Northern Ireland national anthem Andy Crooks 18 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:27:58 Just pathetic that this should be an issue. The spectacle of grown men mouthing this jingoistic nonsense is toe-curling. Eric Myles 19 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:28:30 John #17, isn't Northern Ireland IN the UK? Barry Rathbone 20 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:34:09 He would have been well advised to say nothing and sing the Elvis number "Teddy Bear" during the dreadful dirge, no one would know.Any Irish complaints could legitimately be fended off with a simple "I didn't sing God Save The King" while opening a Twix. Dennis Stevens 21 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:34:36 Aye, Eric, GB + NI = UK Michael Kenrick 22 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:35:33 Eric, Its full description is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so yes. But Northern Ireland is not in Great Britain… although it is in the British Isles.[Always a good quiz to befuddle yer average dumb yank!] Shane Corcoran 23 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:35:57 Brilliant stuff from The Mail. Match is surprisingly sold out. All police leave cancelled in Dublin this weekend. Sideshows everywhere. Marvellous. Steve Brown 24 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:36:25 I've never sung the national anthem in my life. It's all very Inger-Lund and bawled out by topless fat blokes with moobs who look like their family trees have no branches. Danny O’Neill 25 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:37:03 Andy, are you toe nails curling again?!!!It's a non-issue. I had Commonwealth colleagues who didn't sing it and just stood in respect.Yes Eric, it's on our passports. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Bobby Mallon 26 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:42:27 Lee, tell them to Fuck Off! Don't sing it — why would you? Dennis Stevens 27 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:42:28 Don't mention British Isles to the Irish, it's considered politically loaded & a reference to colonialism, not merely a geographical term.Similarly, Great Britain is only so called as it's the bigger of the two main islands in the British Isles. However, I doubt many Irishmen from either side of the border would appreciate being told that they live in Little Britain! Gerry Quinn 28 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:44:12 I can't stand that dirge — and I spent 14 years in the Royal Navy, marching and standing to attention for it in front of inspecting royalty!I can understand why they play anthems, but dreadful and awfully boring tune that one — as Barry said, a dirge is the correct description... Nigel Scowen 29 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:45:28 Michael @22,I live in Jersey (which in itself freaks the Yanks out). Jersey is not part of the UK but is part of Great Britain, go figure! 🤣 Eric Myles 30 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:50:36 Nigel, isn't that only for financial (tax) reasons, like Isle of Man?They're not part of UK tax system but their banking institutions are part of the UK system, sort codes and Swift etc.And passport wise you have a UK passport? If you have the new not EU one anyway. Danny O’Neill 31 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:51:07 It's a geographical term Dennis, not a political one, since the 16th century.And then within those isles, with have nations; England, Scotland, Wales.Anyway, back to the football. I wish Lee Carsely well this afternoon, and to both the Irish and England supporters.Then we can get back to Everton business next week. David Baxter 32 Posted 07/09/2024 at 13:54:44 The UK anthem is all about 1 person. It seems to suggest that, if the King is okay, then everyone else will be. The King is worth about £20 Trillion, owns about a couple of million acres, 26 castles, and has no idea how ordinary people live.Time for UK to become a Republic. Nigel Scowen 33 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:00:05 EricPretty much, I have a Jersey issued UK passport as I am a squirrel from the Wirral originally but have lived here for nearly 30 years.Jersey never had Brexit because it was never part of the European Union to start with and has no representation in UK Parliament. Theoretically Jersey could have its own National side like Gibraltar.It basically goes back to the English Civil War and is known as a Crown dependency which basically means it's owned by the Crown. Gerry Quinn 34 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:01:31 Nigel, are the Isle of Man and Guernsey the same as Jersey? John Hall 35 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:07:00 Yes, sorry about that confusion. Northern Ireland is in the UK, but not Great Britain, and by the way London is not the capital of Great Britain! :) Nigel Scowen 36 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:13:21 Gerry,Not sure about Isle of Man but Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark and Herme are all the same, own parliament, own currency linked to sterling, own flag etc. All full of plastic Red Shites. Danny O’Neill 37 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:15:44 London is the capital of the UK.The Channel Islands are British Crown Territories. The likes of Gibraltar and the Falklands are British Overseas Territories.I hope young Jake is playing later. Dave Abrahams 38 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:19:01 John (35),Well, come on, John, don't stop there — which city is the capital of Great Britain? I would have said London if I was asked! Eric Myles 39 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:19:44 Isle of Man is also a crown territory like the Channel Islands. Bill Gall 40 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:26:16 Well if anyone has heard my so-called singing voice, they would be happy if I kept quiet.Someone should not tell you that you have to sing it as it does not make you less patriotic, if that is the correct term. And isn't the national anthem dedicated to one person and not the country? Si Cooper 41 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:40:23 Hey MK, where did ya cut and paste this article from?‘The former Everton defender…'Talk about a ‘controversial position'! Sam Barrett 42 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:48:25 Always admired Carsley from his days with us through to his coaching career and now my admiration levels have gone through the stratosphere. To the point of pissing off the right-wing media, he looks like he's sticking to his guns. Why anyone one would ask a god (that doesn't exist) to save an unelected billionaire benefit scrounger who has hidden his actual wealth from the public and has just awarded himself a £45 million pay rise paid for by people on minimum wage and freezing pensioners needs their heads testing. Gerry Quinn 43 Posted 07/09/2024 at 14:53:16 I am surprised that Dickhead Fake Trump hasn't suggested that they get rid of the Presidential position and make him the "Super-King" instead!!!!!!!!!! That would be the "bigliest" for his self-adoration... Danny O’Neill 44 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:01:57 Matt le Tissier and Grahame le Saux were both from the Channel Islands and qualified to play for England.I don't think there has ever been anyone from the Isle of Man??Mind you, remember Jack Charlton's Irish squad? Half of them were English. If I'd have made the grade, I would have qualified to play for Northern Ireland. Gerry Quinn 45 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:09:57 I would have played for Ingerlund, Belgium or Ireland from parents, grandparents...Not sure what position as I was not great, just above average for my size. Brian Williams 46 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:16:59 I could have played for Scotland via Barlinnie, Wales via Berwyn, Northern Ireland via Maze or England via Bellmarsh or Slade. :-)Just couldn't make my mind up! Paul Tran 47 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:19:08 A non-story from perennially unhappy people who seem obsessed with looking for people who are 'unpatriotic'.The real story is that Carsley, like his predecessor, is the obvious choice for the job, having worked well with younger international players.Let's hope he starts well, and uncovers at least one top-notch central midfielder, which in my view, will be the difference between England being beaten finalists and winners. Dennis Stevens 48 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:20:25 Goes back to the ancient Greeks & Romans, Danny. Ptolemy used the terms megale Brettania (Great Britain) and mikra Brettania (little Britain) for the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, respectively. The origins go back to the place names used by the then local populations. Christy Ring 49 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:41:11 Absolute garbage from two rags.Hats off to Carsley for sticking to his guns, they're only stirring up hate because he played for Ireland. Peter Fearon 50 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:46:23 The truth is that the right-wing media hate Lee Carsley because they hate the thought of a former Irish international managing England. They hate the Irish and even though Lee is as English as a rainy afternoon, they regard him as a (insert offensive epithet here) so they have manufactured this non-issue to undermine him. The England team is really just another London club, catering primarily to London area fans, rarely playing anywhere north of Wembley and obsessed with London area players. I'll be cheering for Ireland. Danny O’Neill 51 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:57:18 He was born and grew up in Birmingham, Peter.He did what a lot of players do. Chose to play for another nation through grandparent connections. You are right: it's a non-issue.I guarantee, the cameras will be focussed on him right from the start. It really doesn't matter. I'm just off to sit with that London club. Fortunately, I'll be in an Irish pub, so there should be a good mix!!I'll just sit there and watch the entertainment. And I don't mean the football!! Andrew Merrick 52 Posted 07/09/2024 at 15:58:39 I think Billy Connoly had the best solution, use the theme tune from The Archers radio show...That would cheer things up! Raymond Fox 53 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:04:41 The media have to create stories and controversies — it's a massive industry now. They don't care if it causes issues for whoever they target. They are a necessary pain in the arse I suppose.I agree, the national anthem is dull and I never sing it, but I'm proud to be English… although that's being eroded by a lot of what goes on nowadays. Eddie Dunn 54 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:09:16 The England anthem is a celebration of monarchy, not a celebration of Englishness.Good for Lee.By the way, lots of players of various nationalities don't sing.Can't remember Rooney moving his lips much, but he played alright. Christy Ring 55 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:22:42 Jack Grealish's dad is from Dublin and Harry Kane's dad from Galway, would have been nice in a green jersey!! Ed Prytherch 56 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:24:16 Alan #10 it is said over here that you know you are a redneck when you think that the last line of the National anthem is "Gentlemen start your engines" Michael Kenrick 57 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:27:36 Nice interview with Lee Carsley on now, with words from that other reprobate, Anthony Gordon. Incredibly modest... almost too self effacing to deal with the shithead media. Rob Halligan 58 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:28:05 Who gives a flying fuck. Most of the English players don't sing it either! Dennis Stevens 59 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:29:18 Hear! Hear! Andrew. The lyrics are easy too! Brian Williams 60 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:31:24 Michael#57Very telling interview that Michael. Dave Cashen 61 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:31:40 I knew he was a Birmingham lad Danny, but I've never heard him talk before. He has the Brummiest of accents."God Save our groicious King" Danny O’Neill 62 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:34:08 Dave, your spelling sound like my West Midlands wife!! Christy Ring 63 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:35:01 I believe Carsley will be a breath of fresh air for England, he'll take the shackles off, and be a lot more offensive, Southgate held them back. Michael Lynch 64 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:36:27 It is a dreadful anthem, one of the worst. Having said that, I like the way most national teams really belt theirs out - Brazil being the best example. I know we English get a bit embarrassed by giving it loads, but other countries do, so we just need a better tune.In fact, I think our lads (Everton that is) should sing It's A Grand Old Team along with the fans before every home game. Or the Z Cars theme, either would do. Fuck off that Premier League handshake of friendship shite, which we all correctly boo these days.Anyway, getting back to the article, we need an English National Anthem, preferably with no words, but if it has to have words then nothing about God, Royalty, Ruling the Waves or Slavery. Maybe something like Three Lions, even though it would mean more royalties for Ian Broudie, who is lifelong RS. Michael Kenrick 65 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:36:45 I'd forgotten that about Gordon — one sub appearance in the 90th minute under at the Euros Gareth. He looked one really pissed-off scouse scally in that interview! But starts today under Lee.And Danny, there's a tall lad on the Irish bench wearing Number 12… Ed Prytherch 66 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:44:57 I was hoping that the Aussies would choose Waltzing Matilda when they dumped the English anthem and I would have been happy if the Canadians chose "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK". Ian Pilkington 67 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:45:30 Although Carsley was clearly set up by the Mail and Express and quoted out of context, it is perfectly reasonable to expect the England manager and players to either sing, or at least move their lips to the national anthem.Incidentally, he was born in Birmingham and qualified to play for the Republic through his grandmother, so it surely fair to regard him as being English. John Raftery 68 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:47:05 What nonsense. Michael Kenrick 69 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:55:51 Stadium looks huge but 'only' 51,711 capacity — smaller than the new Everton Stadium!Oh, hang on — nevamind…there's a whole end missing! Neil Tyrrell 70 Posted 07/09/2024 at 16:56:57 Ed 66, Canadian Railroad Trilogy is widely recognized as the national anthem here, it's just too damn long to be played before sporting events Brian Williams 71 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:02:15 Michael#69.Very interesting why that end's missing. Colin Glassar 72 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:03:02 C'mon England. 10 - 0 would be nice. Shane Corcoran 73 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:03:58 Ian, why would it be reasonable to expect a footballer to sing anything? Couldn't disagree more. I'm Irish to the core and never sing ours. Nigel Scowen 74 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:11:55 Targeting Seamus already Michael Kenrick 75 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:17:22 Whho taught Gordon how to shoot? Brian Williams 76 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:21:49 Everton! 😱 Rob Halligan 77 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:22:43 Brian # 71……..I think the way that end where the England fans are has been designed so that sunlight can get through to the houses behind. Brian Williams 78 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:30:35 Rob#77.You're right mate. They did an in depth study and had to come up with a clever design to comply with "light laws" for want of a better way of putting it. Colin Glassar 79 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:30:57 2-0. 8 to go Nigel Scowen 80 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:31:52 Wonderful goal Michael Lynch 81 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:32:59 That second goal was a thing of beauty.If this is going to be Carsley's England, then I'm very impressed so far. Brian Williams 82 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:33:01 No way Grealish was gonna dumb down the goal celebration. Paul Hewitt 83 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:35:21 If Carsley doesn't get the England job. Moshiri better be on the phone offering him the Everton job. Ian Pilkington 84 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:46:00 Shane@73I did say “move lips” as an alternative to “sing”.If you are representing your country the national anthem should be a source of pride whether you like the words or not. Wakes, France, Italy, and the US seem to enjoy theirs. Michael Kenrick 85 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:48:30 Attacking football.Whoulda thunk it? Michael Kenrick 86 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:51:50 I quite like that Ogbene bloke, Ireland's left winger... roasted Saka there.Ipswich Town? Andrew Merrick 87 Posted 07/09/2024 at 17:52:56 The anthem "noise" quickly forgotten then... Shane Corcoran 88 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:06:18 Ian, so if you're an atheist and English you should take pride in GSTK? I Nigel Scowen 89 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:10:52 Reckon Jarrad will get much more of a look in under Carsley, got to be confident of replacing Maguire. Brian Williams 90 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:13:34 Kane looks out of place in this England team IMO.Slow and clumsy. Michael Lynch 91 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:13:49 Ireland remind me of Everton Shane Corcoran 92 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:16:26 Michael, yes was with Luton last year. A nice mixture of relative ability and work-rate. Nigel Scowen 93 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:16:59 Jake on, come on lad Colin Glassar 94 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:17:03 Seamus injured as usual. Michael Kenrick 95 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:18:08 That bastard Maguire... get off our captain, you ugly Manc fucker! Michael Lynch 96 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:18:19 Fuck fuck fuck Michael Lynch 97 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:18:58 O'Brien coming on. Bet he gets injured now. Dan Kemp 98 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:20:01 Death, taxes and Seamus being injured on international duty. Christy Ring 99 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:20:10 Colin #94, What do you mean "as usual"? Harry Maguire stood on his Achilles and knocked his boot off and even cut his sock, give him a bit of credit. Michael Kenrick 100 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:20:18 Here comes Jake "not Premier League ready" O'Brien…Everton numbers maintained! Colin Glassar 101 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:23:40 Christy, I mean, every time he plays for Ireland he seems to get injured. No luck of the Irish as far as Seamus is concerned. Nigel Scowen 102 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:24:17 You listening to this, Dyche? Mike Hayes 103 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:27:47 Just tuned in to see Carsleys debut - good start but feck me Seamus limps off injured - hope it's not too bad - fingers crossed Jake comes through unscathed 🤞 Paul Hewitt 104 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:28:34 Don't worry, we still got Ashley Young. Michael Kenrick 105 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:29:07 Dyche saying Lee has made his first subs far too early — shoulda waited until the last 10 minutes and taken home the 2-0 win... Paul Ferry 106 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:31:34 No fucking way does Carsley get our job. We don't need another hard-boiled egg and the twat won't sing Spirit Of The Blues. Paul Ferry 107 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:32:38 Has Danny been on to say he doesn't care about England but he'll watch the match anyway in a pub stuffed with chavs? Luke Welch 108 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:33:44 See Gordon is the same old… Paul Ferry 109 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:33:51 Thanks MK Michael Kenrick 110 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:34:02 Poor again from that Gordon bloke, and after a poor shot too — or was it supposed to be a cross to Kane? Brian Williams 111 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:36:24 England have been quite poor since soon after the two goals to be honest. Subs would be welcome. Rob Halligan 112 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:38:03 Great tackle by Jake on Gordon. Never a yellow! Michael Kenrick 113 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:38:20 See Danny's surprising missive @16, Paul.How can he lay down his life for King and Country but not care about England footy? What sort of a squaddie was he anyway???And where you been? If you'd got up earlier, you could've had the Live Forum to pontificate. Steve Cotton 114 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:38:30 Not impressed with O'Brien to be fair... Paul Ferry 115 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:38:44 Is McAteer the evil spawn of that fucking gobshite, does anyone know? Michael Kenrick 116 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:39:23 Far too many subs far too early. What the Fuck does Carsley think he's doing??? Paul Ferry 117 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:39:35 I'm bad MK, just got up. Nigel Scowen 118 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:40:50 What is he doing making all these subs? Dyche is having a meltdown. Paul Ferry 119 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:44:38 Ha ha, Danny got it in early. Surprised he is soft on the. anthem. My brother - dishonourable discharge, Tank Regiment - will shoot you on the spot if you don't join in.It's actually a song about monarchy not the country and needs fixing. 'Video killed the radio star' would do the job nicely. Colin Glassar 120 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:46:10 Paul 107, he's consistent to say the least. Like my old scratched records.England always go back into their shell. The Southgate mentality is going to take time to change. And Kane is finished at this level. Paul Ferry 121 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:46:21 You can't hide it, Jarrod, that hair is going lad. Colin Glassar 122 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:48:00 Radio Ga Ga would be a great anthem. Paul Ferry 123 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:49:46 Kane, Maguire, Walker need to go Colin. Carsley will not be the next manager. We need a Johnny foreigner who is not a fully paid-up member of the 'Arry cannot be dropped club. Phil (Kelsall) Roberts 124 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:50:35 I got to comment #40 and gave in.Has nobody pointed out that Super Lee Carsley was a defensive midfielder and not a defender? Peter Griffiths 125 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:51:59 Paul Ferry #106,Here's me thinking you only come on to critisise others' comments — that one made me laugh — good one. Paul Ferry 126 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:52:01 'We will rock you', CG. The lads could do a hookah sort of thing as well. Colin Glassar 127 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:52:45 I don't see what the fuss about Mainoo is all about. Short, sideways passes is not my cup of tea.Paul, you're right. A few of the oldies need to call it a day. Kevin Molloy 128 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:53:56 Imagine trying to ruin someone's big chance like this. Christy Ring 129 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:55:45 Carsley and Gravesen were twins in our midfield Paul Ferry 130 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:56:22 Saka should have passed there but decent effort. He seems to be at the heart of anything England do up front since I started watching. Colin Glassar 131 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:57:53 Loved that partnership, Christy. Michael Kenrick 132 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:58:00 Hookah, haka…Potato, Potartoe.You fucken dumb yank! Paul Ferry 133 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:58:50 Do the Irish lads and lasses boo Grealish because he was a youth international over there or some such thing or because he wore a dress once? Tom Bowers 134 Posted 07/09/2024 at 18:59:51 An easy win against a spirited but overly adventurous Irish side.I cannot understand playing both Gordon and Grealish together as they both play the same position at club level and I am still not sure Gordon is England class anyway.Mainoo is average and Alexander-Arnold is haphazard most of the time with poor passing and crosses. Paul Ferry 135 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:00:11 No, I meant them all playing that nice musical instrument MK. Billy Shears 136 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:01:08 The Castore curse strikes again, I see.Jeez, the Irish lads play just like us Blues. very poor fare, a stroll for England! Paul Ferry 137 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:03:27 That was a top goal, England's second. Christy Ring 138 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:18:14 Huge difference in class, and Carsley a lot more offensive.Pity we didn't go for him, as was mentioned plenty of times on ToffeeWeb by myself and others. Ed Prytherch 139 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:28:26 Christie 129, The joke was that the Real Madrid scout thought that Gravesen and Carsley were the same player and they were disappointed when they found out that Gravesen could not tackle. Andy Meighan 140 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:30:46 Is Saka's middle name "I always hit the 1st man"? Sean Kelly 141 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:34:40 Colin #79, I see you are up to your usual standard of gobshite comments ,lad. 2-0, 8 to go. Have a bit of respect, lad. It only took two former ROI players to score for yee. Oh and yes, a former ROI player to manage yee. The only reason brother Rice and the other fool are playing for England is their agents and clubs persuaded them to switch to earn more money. Fair play to them. Christy Ring 142 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:47:12 Ireland boss said Coleman unlikely to play Tuesday night, didn't say anymore.Hopefully it's not as bad as it looked, he walked off. It looked bad by Maguire, but I don't think he meant it. Paul Ferry 143 Posted 07/09/2024 at 19:55:45 Nice response, Sean, and all true (CG is a tongue-in-cheek sort of fella). I must confess that I was disappointed with the Irish lads, who I would have loved to see win. A few moments in the first half before the English closed things down in the second. Not much width, not enough pace, no guile, shaky at the back but a top keeper keeps things respectable. And, to be honest, where's that spirit of the Charlton era? I might have played Roy Keane today. Robert Tressell 144 Posted 07/09/2024 at 20:00:37 Hard to judge Carsley on this one game given (and it saddens me to say this with my Irish roots) it's a really terrible Republic of Ireland side with barely any quality at all. Much the same as a Southgate performance with a couple of pleasing differences. Gordon gave us pace in behind and gave us much-needed penetration. Grealish looked lively and inventive playing more central.What infuriated the hell out of me though was the typically Southgate issue of no overlapping full-backs. Despite acres of space outside of Saka, Alexander-Arnold kept tucking in and adding a body in midfield where we already had superiority. Colwill barely got forward.I hope he addresses that. The U21s looked a more balanced side so hopefully this will improve.ps: I can't get my head around those who don't like Mainoo. He's an absolute class act. Scott Hamilton 145 Posted 07/09/2024 at 20:17:35 The so-called king took cash payments in a bag from a Qatari politician, lauded Jimmy Saville for his service and sought out his advice for a significant period of time, and cheated on the People's Princess.Well done, Cars. The monarch's an inbread cunt. Danny O’Neill 146 Posted 07/09/2024 at 20:34:27 Firstly Michael and Paul, I'm British. I served under the union flag alongside Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and Irish. I didn't serve under the St George's Cross. It's called the British Army.In football terms, I've never had an affiliation with England. I'd rather have had a UK team.England controlled that comfortably. It was a stroll in the park for them. Seamus got put under a lot of pressure from Anthony Gordon, who played well. I hope that injury wasn't too bad. At least he was able to walk off the pitch.I'll watch any game of football, even teams I don't have a particular flavour for..Congratultions to Lee Carsley. Ian Burns 147 Posted 07/09/2024 at 20:58:46 I am worried. I have not been able to get my head around the fact we spent £22M on a centre-back Dyche said was not Premier League ready. So I was intrigued to see how he would perform when he came on today.I dislike Dyche, I have to admit, but I can see immediately what he meant watching O'Brien's performance, albeit a cameo role. Suddenly, Keane doesn't look so bad! Robert Tressell 148 Posted 07/09/2024 at 21:27:12 Ian # 147. We only spent £16.5M on O'Brien. Whilst that's quite a lot of money for us, it's not big money for a Premier League signing. West Ham paid £45M for Kilman and even Fulham paid nearly £30M for Joachim Andersen.He's a development player, here to be an understudy for a season before — hopefully — he is ready to step in for Branthwaite when he inevitably leaves. It'll take a bit of time. Sean Kelly 149 Posted 07/09/2024 at 21:34:06 Hi Paul unfortunately the spirit of the Ireland team of old has long gone. We are a disjointed team and lack any direction. A bit like Everton at the moment. Most of our players are non-starters for their clubs. Today I thought it would be a bigger defeat but I think England took the foot off the pedal in the second half.The day is long gone since we had a decent team. In the Charlton days, we had starters for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal amongst others.Watching that GB News shit station and Carsley is getting ripped apart for not singing the anthem. What a load of shite. Who really cares? Phil (Kelsall) Roberts 150 Posted 07/09/2024 at 21:44:49 I commented after the Roma game that O'Brien cannot use his left foot so hopefully a longer-term replacement for Tarkowski. I was not over-impressed and thought he needed more work. Tom Bowers 151 Posted 07/09/2024 at 21:49:16 Sadly Coleman has never been the same since that horrific injury some years back and now he is a little too old for top-class appearances and injury-prone.Everton are left with a real dilemma at right-back and nobody but Dyche fancies Young. Patterson may come good but the suggestion of Garner might prove the best option for now. Paul Ferry 152 Posted 07/09/2024 at 22:27:43 Completely agree, Sean. But you know how many knobheads there are in England and this "Ingerlaund" shite. It's embarrassing. I think we're too be fair a distant second to the Yanks when it comes to knobhead patriotism but silver medal winners way behind them like in the 4x400 at the Olympics.Hope you're well mate. O'Brien did look a little raw Phil. A little surprising after his very good last season. I think he will come good for us and Eire though. Neil Tyrrell 153 Posted 07/09/2024 at 23:02:23 Canada trumps the USA 2-1 🇨🇦 Colin Glassar 154 Posted 07/09/2024 at 23:04:18 Sean Kelly 141, “yee”? What are you, a fucking hobbit? Your team are shite. Always have been except for a few years under Jack Charlton. Sean Kelly 155 Posted 08/09/2024 at 00:07:32 Colin, I'm an Evertonian, have a bit of respect. Don Alexander 156 Posted 08/09/2024 at 00:42:00 "Our" Lee has a similar background to Steve McClaren as a player but I hope he reaches even loftier heights as a manager than that legend. Steve Brown 157 Posted 08/09/2024 at 01:38:16 Well done Lee and Viva La Republica to the gobshites on the Daily Bigot; Todd Watkins 158 Posted 08/09/2024 at 03:31:29 Anyone for Carsley as our next manager? Paul Ferry 159 Posted 08/09/2024 at 04:33:49 Carsley: "The lads have to take all of the credit." I simply cannot imagine autumn 2024 model Dyche saying this. Danny O’Neill 160 Posted 08/09/2024 at 05:57:24 I guess it depends on how it goes for Carsley. Apparently, he was content managing at youth levels.He's interim manager of England, so we will see if he gets offered the full time role. As for him taking on the Everton job, I'm unsure but, if it happened, he would be welcomed. But right here and now, let's hope Dyche can turn us around.A random one but linked to the English-Irish conversation, I once played against the "Micks", the Irish Guards. Most of them were scousers!! Their mascot, an Irish Wolfhound has a formal name, but is called Seamus!! Paul Ferry 161 Posted 08/09/2024 at 06:31:21 Carsley does not strike me as feverishly ambitious (though accomplished) and this might make him the best candidate for the job. Jim Bennings 162 Posted 08/09/2024 at 07:31:04 There's only one manager getting the Everton job if and when Dyche gets toe capped up the arse and we know who he is. Paul Kossoff 163 Posted 08/09/2024 at 09:04:37 I thought England were bang average against a very poor Ireland. Tactically, we were all over the place. No structure, players out of position especially in the second half. We had three wingers on the left standing within yards of each other. This Mainoo, I had to ask my son four times if he was still on the pitch, he did nothing. Ireland could have had two goals easily. Townsend laughingly stating that Gomez who had not touched the ball was injecting pace into England. If England play like that against a good side, they will get beat. Carsley's team talk must have been, "Okay, lads, do what you like, stand where you like." Really poor in the second half. Kane's finished and Maguire is a twat, he injured Coleman intentionally, taking his boot down his Achilles. Carsley for Everton manager? Not on that showing. England and paint drying springs to mind. Andy Meighan 164 Posted 08/09/2024 at 09:12:27 You're probably right there Jim.But I'm kind of accepting the fact he'd steady the ship til we get to the dock( no pun intended).Then go for a younger more proactive coach ie Potter or Corboran or maybe Tuchel.I'd be happy with either of those.Anyone but Dyche. Mike Kehoe 165 Posted 08/09/2024 at 11:17:15 Paul 163 after watching Dyche's offerings so the prospect of paint drying is especially arousing. Christopher Timmins 166 Posted 08/09/2024 at 12:03:26 I am a huge admirer of Seamus but, given his age and the fact that he was offered a year extension, he should have quit the International stage and put all his efforts into keeping his body in good shape for the season ahead.Enough is enough! Andy Crooks 167 Posted 08/09/2024 at 12:29:28 Christopher, it's hard to argue with what you say. I think that Seamus is a remarkable man. He loves Everton and he loves playing for Ireland. If he didn't believe he could do it, I think he would know and stop.I honestly believe and hope that there's a bit left in the tank. Julian Exshaw 168 Posted 08/09/2024 at 12:52:17 I felt sorry for Carsley, caught in the crosshairs of diplomacy and nationalistic fervor as he was. He had no chance of doing the right thing, did he? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't, as the saying goes. It's hard to judge him after one match, whether that be as England's or Everton's manager. He might be more suited to coaching, à la Colin Harvey. John Wilson 169 Posted 08/09/2024 at 13:10:16 This is a country with deep monarchial roots. As a child in the '80s, I loved seeing Charles and Diana drive past. Many Kings and Queens have led this country and therfore it is thus full of deep traditional monarchial routes. The United Kingdom was once many kings and kingdoms. Carsely has the right to his political views but he is in interim manager position. It would be like managing the Republic of Ireland, a separate country, and not singing their national anthem. I personally think it is a distraction but one view he is entitled to have. It doesn't affect his ability to do his job, clearly, but will inevitably get the back up of the patriotic, not just 'right wing.' Colin Callaghan 170 Posted 08/09/2024 at 13:22:12 Agreed Chris.I wasn't shocked to see him starting though either. Unfortunately he's proving that "nice guys finish last" the longer he tries to hold on.Big Sean has me going through my Green Day albums. Brent Stephens 171 Posted 08/09/2024 at 13:28:56 Colin #170, "Unfortunately he's proving that "nice guys finish last" the longer he tries to hold on".Colin, on the contrary, I think over the years he's proved that nice guys can "finish first". What he's now proving is the frailty of age and injury — not the frailty of being a nice guy. Jeff Spiers 172 Posted 08/09/2024 at 13:58:29 Not singing the national anthem? Far more important things to worry about. Nigel Scowen 173 Posted 08/09/2024 at 14:11:39 John @169I'm not sure it's a political view, it's not as if he was taking the knee, it's just that he doesn't do singing. As he said he represented Ireland as a player and never sang their anthem either. A great example of crass media trying to cause problems out of nothing.Fake news. Billy Bradshaw 174 Posted 08/09/2024 at 14:33:58 Danny @ 160, please please give the army stories a rest mate. Brian Williams 175 Posted 08/09/2024 at 14:43:36 John #169.Are you suggesting that Carsley not singing the anthem is down to his political views?Because if you are, you're making that up. Danny O’Neill 176 Posted 08/09/2024 at 15:02:48 Thank you for the kind advice, Billy. Raymond Fox 177 Posted 08/09/2024 at 15:04:51 So yet another thread that contains sniping at Dyche!It's try another manager time again… fecking hell, that's made us far better, hasn't it? Jack Convery 179 Posted 08/09/2024 at 18:08:20 A left-back valued at £M and current Ivory Coast player, has just been released by a Saudi Club. Played all games last season so very fit including International games for the Ivory Coast. He's 28. Ghislain Konan.Also Leo Dubois a former French International is also available on a free. Age 29 and can play both full back positions. We desperately need back ups who can start when required. Coleman and Young should be emergency cover only now. Patterson cannot be relied on to stay fit and Mykolenko needs competition and someone who can come in and give him a rest, when required. Denis Richardson 180 Posted 08/09/2024 at 18:25:51 Coleman out may be a blessing in disguise. He's been a great servant but shouldn't really be our first choice right-back on the eve of his 36th birthday. Hoping this forces Dyche to play Dixon and he can grasp the opportunity much better than Patterson has. If Young starts against Villa, I'm going to start losing my patience with Dyche. Above obviously based on Coleman not being 100%. Danny O’Neill 181 Posted 08/09/2024 at 18:35:58 I'd love to see Dixon feature more, Denis. When I've watched him, he's impressed. But I also think we need to be patient with him.For Saturday, I'm more concerned who is going to play centre back and in midfield. Danny O’Neill 182 Posted 08/09/2024 at 19:52:45 Heartwarming interview with Lee Carsley. Very humble talking about his son who has Downes Syndrome.I don't think he'll take on club management or even the England job full time. Billy Shears 183 Posted 08/09/2024 at 20:52:49 Hard to judge England's performance as Eire were so poor yesterday,how their Gaffer got his job is a fucking mystery!? Robert Tressell 184 Posted 08/09/2024 at 21:40:24 Billy # 183, being of Irish descent, my biggest issue with Heimir Hellgrimson was that he didn't sing the Irish national anthem. I mean, I don't know the words either but that's not the point. Denis Richardson 185 Posted 08/09/2024 at 21:48:58 Danny 181, I was genuinely impressed by Dixon. Didn't think he had that in him. Agree we need to go easy but I say let him off the leash given we're short. No pressure on him. Re centre back, O'Brian surely deserves a go, especially if Tarkowski isn't 100%. Or play a back 5 even to put less pressure on Dixon and provide more cover. Don Alexander 187 Posted 09/09/2024 at 03:59:53 Paul (#159),Maybe Carsley eulogising as he did merely reflected his observations on a pool of English players at his disposal that is in stark contrast to the cesspit every manager after Martinez has had imposed on him by a mega-dickhead owner who trusted a mega-dickhead, but self-serving only, chairman-buffoon negotiator.Given the massive revelation of our hideous finances to Dyche (as he's long since gone on public record about, inferred criticism, such of that having caused Brands's immediate dismissal, by the way) does anyone at all think his "ideal" signings included any of those actually signed?The man's been massively bolloxed from above, as have we all, for decades. But at new stadium, if it's ever to be ours bereft of hideous debt for decades, let's least of all formally dedicate every latrine there to the hideous legacy of Kenwright.But I expect those in his family who've since his death made very good indeed, sponging off us through him, would probably demand a pay-out for even such an archly ironic "memorial". Danny O’Neill 188 Posted 09/09/2024 at 05:47:40 Thanks for the early morning smile, Don!!I suspect if we done that, many supporters would refrain and hold themselves. And as many of a certain age know, that becomes more challenging!!I've not seen any news from the club on Coleman. I suppose we'll get an update ahead of the Villa match. Or maybe I've missed something. Colin Callaghan 189 Posted 09/09/2024 at 11:04:10 Not at all, Brent.He should be strong enough to say no and not care that he's letting some people down. It's been a few years of him getting injured after coming back for a game or two.Seamus is well loved by everyone but is there anyone to tell him what he doesn't want to hear? Andy Crooks 190 Posted 09/09/2024 at 13:03:32 I think a quick browse on ToffeeWeb would tell him, Colin. Dave Cashen 191 Posted 09/09/2024 at 14:04:47 I don't know if you watched the match on the telly or not, Danny. Seamus had the heel of his sock ripped off during a challenge by Maguire. The cameraman homed in and it was clear that it wasn't just his sock.The skin down the back of his heel was broken. Looked as if it was superficial, but it looked a very sore one. One that will scab up. I'd be surprised if he was moving freely enough to play at Villa Park.Like you, I'm more worried about the centre of our defence. Tarkowski is so fundamental to Dyche's set up, but his form is causing me sleepless nights. I was all for benching him but, having thought about it some more, I don't think he will find his form sitting on the bench.He seems to be moving well enough, but his form and his conidence haven't half dipped. The sooner he rediscovers that backs-to-the-wall defiance that has been a crucial factor in us still being in the Premier League, the better for all concerned. Danny O’Neill 192 Posted 09/09/2024 at 14:18:13 Yes, I saw that, Dave. I was in a pub full of England and Ireland supporters. It did look a nasty one and he didn't put his boot back on.At least he walked off, but I don't think he'll make it for Villa. But he's a tough lad, so who knows?I still remember that thundering run in his first game back after practically having his leg snapped in half. Bobby Mallon 193 Posted 09/09/2024 at 17:08:07 Don Alexander, Dyche has a director of football who brings players in that Dyche has to make better. He knew what to expect more than any of our managers he just needs to get on with it. Ian Bennett 194 Posted 09/09/2024 at 17:41:10 Anyone know what we are paying in wages for Patterson, Coleman and Young? Sean Kearns 195 Posted 10/09/2024 at 00:31:06 On his absolute best prime day, our Seamus would have got in any Barca or Real team. He really was immense and largely underrated for his skills and ability going forward he could rip any full back to peices. His one-two's around the box or just his overall skill to get past people was and still is brilliant. Never forget prime Seamus really was boss la and he's still great too. Hope he's back soon… he's still very good going forward. Danny O’Neill 196 Posted 11/09/2024 at 07:53:54 Big shout, Sean,He's probably a close second best Everton right back I've seen. Gary Stevens has to take that mantle.Close call though. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb