Moyes set to succeed Dyche at Everton

Where is Tony Marsh when we need him?

As I said on the Never Go Back thread, how about Moyes and Carsley with the latter as long term manager?

The Ginger one returns to lead us into the new stadium.

Even Dear Bill couldn't create a better script than that!

Carsley has never ever stated he wants to be an International level manager for his whole career, has he?

I've always followed the Duke of Gloucester's words since I first read them at Bootle Tech/Hugh Baird: "As flies to wanton boys are we to th' gods: they kill us for their sport".

Jeff A, Carsley has never said that he has no interest in managing at the club-level, but it seems to me that he has made it clear that he would like to stick to the U21s for the time being.

U21s to club-level; or U21s to Ireland?

If it does happen, it will be pragmatism on the part of the owners and of Moyes himself. Not many clubs would take him on after being sacked twice by West Ham. For the owners, it would make sense to bring in Moyes as he is to some degree competent and would probably stand a greater chance of keeping Everton up.

Whether or not it happens will largely depend on a combination of money and commitment. Moyes will be looking for plenty of both, and the owners will certainly be looking to offer a reasonable amount of the former but as little as possible of the latter.

As for the fan reaction, well I didn't mind him terribly as a manager when he was here, though he had his faults, but it is difficult to find it anything other than disheartening. Still, we are in the brown stuff at the minute so maybe we'll have to be pragmatic and put up with it for a bit. COYB (I suppose)

Your view of signings with us and West-Ham is breathtakingly one-dimensional. Perhaps you could list each signing to make your point and we can all make our own minds up.

"Anyone who holds any bitterness towards him joining utd needs there [SIC] head testing".

I doubt that there (their?) are many who feel "bitter" (such a lazy and easy term here) a dozen years later. However, I imagine that there might well be more than a few who wonder at the gall of the man and, actually, for good footballing reasons, would prefer that Moyes did not come back for longer than six months.

This club will never learn, expected something different and perhaps radical from the new ownership in all honesty, very underwhelming and not even sure its a safe pair of hands. Hearing a 2 year contract on radio earlier.

And the fact is that he has never, ever sought a club managerial job in his entire coaching career. He filled in as a caretaker at Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham for ten games a decade or so ago. He was even Championship Manager of the Month at Brentford but left the job anyway.

Gavin #9, I'd call myself a strong Moyes supporter when he was here, but I'm completely depressed at the prospect of his return. This is the opposite of what I expected from TFG and I'm shocked that they'd even consider him except to keep us up. Still hoping the reports prove wrong.

But I think you're right about it being pure pragmatism. If everything I've read in the New York Times is right, Friedkin got shocked by his conversations with Dyche, whom he was planning to keep for a while, and had to sack him. The same thing happened at Roma when De Rossi suddenly blew up his relationship with the club president and they had to make an instant change. It didn't go well -- they got the wrong guy and eventually went back for Ranieri, who had managed Roma twice before and steadied the ship.

Maybe they're seeing Moyes as Everton's Ranieri. Beats me.

I agree with you he definitely signed some duds, but he also made some really astute signings, for us anyway.

He's a pragmatic choice for the situation we're in. Best I can say.

Moyes is expected to sign terms that will run until June 2027 and Everton a formal announcement is expected at some point on Saturday.

The Scot has spent the last 48 hours working on the make up of his backroom staff and he will be joined at Goodison Park by long-term ally Billy McKinlay.

If Dominic King is correct, it means that David Moyes was working on his backroom staff, prior to Sean Dyche's removal?

Moyes could do worse than bringing Cahill in as his number 2! It would at least smooth things over with the fanbase.

One thing is for sure - I think he will be directly involved in the transferring in of players - it will be interesting to see how it works out with Thelwell - Moyes, at least, was very good at picking up good players for a bargain!

If Moyes keeps us up it has been a good decision but I am very worried that he won't.

If we don't get a new manager bounce I am going to be extremely worried.

Two or three good signings are essential and I hope Moyes doesn't immediately think he can dispense with any of our best players. I also hope he does not arrive and try to be the big I am guy and fall out with some of the senior players.

Two tough games coming up so something of a baptism of fire. At least he should have a few training sessions.

A long-term deal for Moyes - June 2027, cripes thanks for that Fred - might well see a P45 for Thelwell (is it still P45? I've been away for too long.). Doesn't Moyes famously have a dim view of DOFs?

He inherited a squad that was destined for the championship and beyond when he first joined us and on a shoe string budget he transformed us into a top 6 side. He managed to get 4th with Marcus Bent up top, Marcus Bent (£400k may I add).

For me Moyes is a massive improvement on Sam, Martinez, Benitez, Lampard and Dyche.

As for when he left he went to the biggest club in the land after having his hands tied behind his back for a decade at us, and as for him sniffing around his old players I don't know many mangers who don't.

You call it rose tinted glasses, I call it practicality.

Lastly Paul, who would you like us to go and get for no fee ?

I'd also have liked to see us go down the Bournemouth or Brighton route and try a complete new dynamic, but again, maybe it's too much too soon for a badly damaged group, and a badly damaged club right now.

David Moyes won't be the name many would pick that's a fact.

But I do think there's a certain ignorance of the fact that he did do a pretty decent job making West Ham a pretty competitive football team and proved he still has an eye for a player.

I prefer to base my judgement on his West Ham time rather than his time at Everton because it's more recent, and I'm aware football has changed since 2013.

But he's clearly someone who is a good man manager and people like Leighton Baines who I respect very much speak so highly of him.

We may look back and say 11 years without a trophy but let's look at it this way, how many have gotten Everton Football Club to a Cup final since he's left anyway?

None.

We've not looked remotely like being a successful side and for 70 percent of those 12 years since Moyes left, we've been a struggling football team in the lower echelon.

Lord knows whether he'll get this crop of players playing, he might, he might not.

If he gets the job then fair enough, we have to back him, we have no choice.

I just want this club to finally start getting things right for once, start finally making some positive progress.

In fact, when Moshiri first began to seriously struggle I suggested that Terrible Timmy might make a great new Chairman. He certainly would have whipped that miserable Board into line instantly.

Also, what happened to Broja last night? Is he out for the season?

Those who wanted Dyche out now were naive to expect a different outcome given the recent takeover.

I don't think he'll get us relegated, so if it's just until the end of the season, fine. But if he's leading us into the new stadium, that'll be so depressing, and symbolic of all the wrong things.

So, it is pointless us bandying about names of managers we might wish to come and manage Everton, when we don't know,

a) if they have been approached and

b)f so, have declined to be interviewd etc. etc.

We cannot blame TFG for lack of imagination etc. when we don't know whom they have approached, or what response they might have had?

For all we know, the only applicant might be DM (or perhaps him and Allardyce).

It might not be a questions of a poor choice, but more one of no choice.

I could go over old ground/quotes etc.. but it’s not worth it now. Friedkin has played his hand and we’ll just have to grin and bear it. Hopefully, we won’t regret it.

Can he reach his magical 40 points ceiling? If he does, I will doff my cap to him.

TFG aren't interested in trying to understand the fans, it's purely financial. Take the fans with you or it's along way back hope I'm wrong.

People forget that the football between 07-13 was good, we had a lot of good players, and that the only thing which stopped us from breaking the top four was our potless chairman's inability to put his hand in his pocket and fund the team to the extent we needed.

Was I thrilled by his conduct as United manager? No. But he was doing what he could for his new team, and frankly, we could have done with a bit more of that ruthlessness from his successors. It's been twelve years, and it's time to close the wound.

He's categorically a better manager than Sean Dyche was (thank you for your work, sir, best of luck elsewhere), and I think Moyes will do fine, if shown some grace by the fanbase.

Sorry Anthony but you are still trotting out the narrative that was peddled and swallowed by many.

We were not punching above our weight and we had a decent squad that should have won more. Certainly reached a second cup final but he bottled it against the RS

The DOF mdel has not really gone well at Everton, in fact - Everton have wasted more money, been more profligate with this system in place than ever. With Moyes in charge, no matter what your opinion is of him, Everton very rarely wasted tonnes of money. Not all signings were up to the mark, but some - Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka, Coleman etc. were great value relatively.

Mike Gaynes 28

You may be right - it was just an out of the box idea - but a simple internet search produced this -

Tim Cahill, a former Australian soccer player, holds a UEFA Pro Licence and UEFA A, B, and C Coaching Licences. The UEFA Pro Licence is the highest level of football coaching certification in Europe

Now, he may be rich beyond belief - but sometimes a person has a passion - so, who knows, though I think unlikely!

The new owners aren’t stupid. He’ll be gone in the summer unless he really performs miracles. The contract situation will almost certainly have caveats on both sides. They’ll want their own man and they’ll get him. But they need it to be in this division so they’ve taken a pragmatic decision that through gritted teeth, seems sensible.

A lot of dissent but zero names of available managers who would take the job. I just hope he gets a good AM who challenges him and brings in a striker coach that Dyche famously didn’t need.

Zouma who is now on loan now at Al Orobah?

Ward-Prowse who is now on loan at Forest and does not exactly pile up the minutes?

Aguerd who is now on loan at Real Sociedad?

Behnrama who was shipped off to Lyon?

John, West-Ham season-ticket holder, one of the lads who works behind the bar at Ian McKellen's pub, The Grapes on Narrow St in Limehouse, would love to have a chat with you about Moyes and his wheelings and dealings at the Hammers. Moyes, also, whose team conceded 74 - SEVENTY-FOUR - goals in his final season.

Seriously, I could do better than Bent on Moyes with us. Would that be the year when we finished 4th with a plus one goal difference?

Who else? Why do you make "no fee" a stipulation? Fonseca? Trezic? Hoeness? Mills? Carrick? Frank? Halligan? Rohl? Hutter? Valverde? Arrasate?

I'm guessing any announcement would come from Chelsea rather than Everton.

Mike, hopefully Broja and Harrison will be returned to sender.

Would Dyche’s team have won 2-0 last night and have us into the next round?

I wasn’t too confident leading up to this tie, so maybe the timing was perfect.

Sensible post Peter

Mmmm… I can write a pretty long list of failures to match the successes. Not taking anything away from the likes of Baines, Pienaar, Cahill etc but after 11 years, some transfers will naturally have worked out. A lot also didn’t….

Let’s not try to rewrite history. Off the top of my head; Shandy Andy, Drenthe, Straq, Billysnailpace, Kroldup, Beattie, Bent etc.

Not to mention a centre mid dynamo pairing of Phil Neville and Johnny Heitinga and the numerous times we played a 460 formation.

At least try to keep it balanced maybe?

When McNeil, Garner and Iroegbunam are back, we will comfortably get 37 points, probably more. Moyes isn't guaranteed to save us... don't forget – he took Sunderland down in 2017.

That cracked me up mate:

"I can't imagine Moyes himself is altogether keen on the idea."

Taking dour to new depths lol

Exactly mate

As for the future, it doesn't seem like the biggest of changes from Dyche... hope I'm wrong. Would people have preferred Potter? I see him as higher risk, but potentially higher reward.

The VERY BEST Manager is, THE VERY BEST MANAGER !
Not some bloody Car Park Attendant to keep things neat and tidy for timebeing !!

Our future begins right now !
Not in six months time FFS.

This bloody addiction to "For Now" is like saying "We'll keep taking really small amounts of crack until the delusions get better".
And.
Then can We think more clearly.
And maybe everybody else is taking more than We might be !

NO !!!
A GOOD Manager is a GOOD Manager.
FFS
And some Car Park Attendant wastes yet more time and helps the lowering of achievement.

"Yes, it is piss and more expensive, but it's chilled and more diluted ! And there's plenty of it. So drink up and enjoy, things could be worse !".

Panic appointment imo showing very little planning. It seems TFGs plan A was have Dyche get to the end of this season but there was no plan B never mind C or D. V Poor.

Was it just that the results were not good enough or was it that Dyche wanted 1 or 2 new players and his request was refused.
In which case Dyche said that he was very doubtful he could keep us up without reinforcements and that was enough to sack him.

All maybe's, I'm sure we will get to hear in due course.

I think people are overstating how tough his job was at Everton and there is just no guarantee he can be equally as ‘successful' this time around.

Well, if he is returning then he gets backed but he's open to criticism as much as any and more than many due to his ‘previous'.
2 years! There just better have not been any other takers!

If he comes here, he clearly thinks he can do a job for us – I doubt if he'd risk his reputation otherwise. Meanwhile, Dyche is burnt out and can't take this squad any further. I can see why. Managing Everton has been a fucking nightmare since Moshiri took over.

He'll be here as long as he's here. Either he'll get us on a sound footing, in which case we'll all be delighted, or he won't and he'll be another one through the Revolving Blue Door.

We are an absolute shit-show of a club. If nothing else, I think it's fair to say that Moyes is a grown-up and will do the job without any fuss or excuses.

Who would you take on a free as Moyes was available without having to pay off a club – meaning we save money to spend it on players.

“Phil Neville and Johnny Heitinga”

Is that the Neville who'd walk into our present side and the Heitinga who was named Player of the Year at least once?

He had the best squad we had for years and earned more than any of them. In my opinion, he was never the best that our money could buy.

His latter years were wasted years. He sneaked off like a thief in the night and his return to our club is a blight on our history.

A cowardly appointment, if confirmed. No new dawn, no inspiration, just dour Davy fucking Moyes.

He transformed the club at a time we were on a sharp decline. Not his fault the club didn't back him with money but he did a fantastic job for the time he was there.

Bad ending admittedly but we were a horrible team to play against, especially at home, and we had an identity that has been missing for too long.

Answer reasonable points and questions put to you rather than the deflective avoidance answer a question with a question. When you have done this I will respond to your most recent question.

Cue the fume.

"He worked miracles on a shoestring budget and had us punching well above our weight."

What miracles were they exactly? To finish on average in 8th position but be the 7th highest spender? That seems to suggest we actually punched a little under our weight in his 11 years here.

For now, I would swap what we have for all of that. Sadly, it shows how far we have fallen.

West Ham fans were sick to death of him even though he won a trophy. His approach is boring.

If you think boring is stable, look back at the disasters Moyes oversaw at Sociedad, Sunderland, and Manchester United.

The stadium fans were generally tired of route one under Dyche. It wasn't working. To replace him with Moyes is actually stupid.

I was concerned by their decisions as Roma owners. This decision is worse still.

Worst run club in the Premier League.

Safe pair of hands? My arse.

This is a poor and less than imaginative appointment. When everything is going well for this manager, his absolute ceiling and the very pinnacle of what he can achieve is a run in a tinpot European competition.

Despite his dancing and self-adulation, absolutely nobody on planet earth was impressed with West Ham winning the Europa Conference League. If you look at the teams in contention to win it, you'd probably find that they were amongst the very highest spenders and therefore should be beating the mediocre opposition they were up against.

This is a manager who returned abject and complete failure at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and Manchester United. He was moved on from West Ham as he had started taking them backwards.

There was no sign after 2009 that Everton improved under his leadership, we went backwards. He creates a myth around him that his ceiling is the ceiling of the football club and that we should be grateful to have him.

His record away to Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea is absolutely abysmal and his record at home to these teams is not much better.

His record during his time at Everton against our closest rivals was astonishingly bad, even when we had a couple of seasons finishing above them in the league.

He is incapable of fielding a team with a striker that regularly scores goals.

When he has spent big money, he has nearly always spent badly.

All of this is the very best that he can build and that is if everything goes well and falls into place.

It is a hard No from me.

Yes eventually Everton under Moyes had the 7th highest wage bill but, for all of his time with us, Moyes worked with a very modest transfer kitty.

That's why people give him credit.

Neither would ‘walk into the current team' as a midfielder today either.

Baines, Coleman, Lescott, Jagielka, Pienaar, Stones, Howard, Fellaini, Arteta, Yakubu, Distan, Cahill, I mean do I really have to continue over our players he signed? Imo, Moyes signed better players on loan than most of our managers have bought for £20M+.

Over to West Ham, his 2 wide men would make almost any team in the land better (Bowen and Kudus), his playmaker is a Brazilian international (Paqueta) and walks in almost any team in the land. Cufal and Soucek for a combined fee of €10.5M looks a lot like good business to me also, so while he may have got some wrong, he has an eye for a player, and proved that time and time again at us.

Now I've answered you, can you please tell me who you think we can get for free?

I'll be taking a long break now. I hope you guys are not too disappointed.

Also, you might have the respect to acknowledge the more than a few who have dared to disagree.

Of course it had to be 2½ years rather than 2... no manager is gonna take a deal that expires in midseason... and I don't think he'll last it out anyway.

But the idea of a new stadium opening with a new team (9-12 players I believe, per contract and loan expirations) and a retread manager just makes me heartsick.

The only positive thing I can think of to say is... he'll keep us up. I think we would have stayed up anyway, but he's an improvement on Dyche at this point and he'll assure it.

But... ah, shit.

The situation we are in at the moment, we need a steady hand, And now is not the time to experiment with a younger, more modern manager.

Ipswich, Wolves, Crystal Palace are all playing better football than us and we need to start grinding out some results and points. So for me, Moyes is the answer.

According to you only a few short days ago, the Friedkins wouldn't even have heard of Moyes – let alone hire him as manager… er, wrong on both counts.

They've seen him as a safe pair of hands, me personally like a few on here, I'd never go back because I truly believe it'll end in tears. If he keeps us in the Premier League, fair enough, but let's not forget this is a man who West Ham have binned twice… and who took Sunderland down.

Really no one could do any worse than the clown we've just sacked, but still I'm a bit sceptical.

There's rumours flying around that Weir is set to replace Thelwell soon. If that's true, that's one move I'm more than happy with; he's done a boss job on the South Coast and is also an Everton legend.

I've also heard Irvine is coming with him, but again another rumour in the city of rumours.

So, Mr Gaynes, I think you'd better eat a large slice of humble pie with dinner tonight.

"We are proud to be the new custodians of your club. Together, we will usher Everton into a new era, one that is marked by ambition and professionalism. As stewards of Everton, we look forward to showing our commitment to the club through actions, not words".

Wankers.

Thanks for making us an even worse laughing-stock than we were this time last week.

Sky Sports saying only that they 'expect' him to be confirmed.

But let's see if my barrage of emails has the desired effect…

That you sat through the shite of Dycheball but, if Moyes comes in, you are taking a long break?

I'm totally baffled with that.

Remember he inadvertently delivered our first away win at Man Utd, once he'd gone there, another one for the credit column!!

I always liked the honesty I thought he demonstrated in interviews as our manager and it often contrasted with his peers at the time.

If it's him again, hopefully assisted by a younger model, we all need to let bygones be.

Good luck to him I say!

I am going to follow Marine til he pisses off.

I'm saying as one of the 12th man, so let's get behind the team.

Looking forward to the first TWebber to say "that's it, I'm not going to another game until he's gone!" and yet I guarantee you a full house at Goodison and a warm welcome for our new manager.

The Moyesiah is back.

Avoiding relegation is his number one goal. Nothing else matters.

We support also-rans and will be doing so for the foreseeable. In our position, David Moyes is as good as it gets.

You'll be sorely missed. Ah well, enjoy Marine.

A lot of people forget Kenwright hung Moyes out to dry, 2½ transfer windows without being able to buy anyone.

Resorted to having bring Big Denis in on a free, what a whole hearted player he was, limited but my god he'd bust a gut and loved by Evertonians.

Let's see how it rolls… he wouldn't have been my choice, but as the saying goes, time's a healer.

Europe
Top 5/6 on a regular basis
No money
Pride in the shirt, fight, commitment
Signings: Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Baines, Carsley, Yakubu, Jagielka, Rooney, Johnson, Graveson etc.

Since he left, 15 years of utter shite.

Come on, give the guy a break!

And Doucoure is better than Heitinga? Midfield, defence, full back, tea lady?

Okay, if you say so… 🤣🤣

Zouma is just kicking on age-wise and his body is slowing down from injury, if you remember him at us, he was our best defender

Ward-Prowse walks into our current 11.

Augerd who's out on loan, plays week-in week-out for the 7th-placed team in Spain who are also in the Europa League.

Maybe I pushed it saying he nailed every transfer but when you're dealing with pennies to spend at us and you finish Top 7 a fair amount of times, you deserve credit for the players you bought.

Lastly, on the West Ham lads out on loan, can I also add they've been sent away by a manager who's lasted just 18 games, maybe he got some of them wrong!!

Again though, it's easy picking the bones out of my comments, can you answer my single question now??

Who would you want for no fee to manage us and keep us up?

I'm afraid you're not going to have any more fun at Rossett than you have at Goodison this season.

ERM: Top 5/6 on a regular basis

ERM: no money (exactly how did he buy those players?)

WTF: Signings: Rooney

You clearly know your stuff.

Enjoy watching the inevitable dross under Moyes.

You deserve it.

UTFT

Sorry, Pep, Klopp or any other world class manager wasn't approached. They would have been chomping at the bit to get here.

He also spent in the last couple of years £120M on:

Nicola Vlasic
Kurt Zouma
Gianluca Scamacca
James Ward-Prowse

He was the 7th biggest spender with an average 8th place finish.

No it's fecking not. It is a 30-month contract. We would have stayed up with Dyche.

Not at all, Anthony.

Even Dyche admitted he couldn't take these players any further.

Four times at least, no? That's pretty regularly by the standards set before him. Or recently. But I accept we all have a different definition of 'regularly'. My point was that it was a pretty significant transformation, and personally I'm grateful.

But I'm still gutted he's back.

Looks old, doesn't he? Sixty one? Looks more like a hundred and sixty one, or he will do after he takes the first training session and sees Doucoure's first touch up close.

Will Michael Kenrick ever write another vaguely balanced match report again? Concerned Toffee Webbers need to know.

COYB.

As for humble pie, I'd say we're all chowing down tonight.

Re Weir, agreed... I think Thelwell deserves to stay, but "deserves" doesn't much matter, and either Weir or the also-rumored Dan Ashworth would be excellent choices.

Jimmy #134, that was my first thought too when I saw the photo. He looks a bit decrepit. My grandfather looked better at 84.

"Gutted". Yes. Amazing, he hasn't walked in through the front door yet and the signs are without doubt ominous,

At least Lyndon’s photo of him Jimmy is better than the Nosferatu photo Michael Kendrick managed to drag up.

‘We would have stayed up with Dyche’

Hmmm are you sure Paul

https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/sjfzsk/the_other_day_i_googled_young_david_Moyes_a/

😂🤣

With Moyes coming back I think our lucks about to change... they'll probably find the Arteta money there.

He's a good solid manager. Couldn't take us further when he left us. We're the ones who have sunk below him.

We were never going to get the young reset manager in January, were we? They'd all be way too sensible to risk this job now rather than wait till the summer.

And if you think anyone of any stature would sign a six month contract, I've got a few things to sell to you.

Take em as you find em, that's my take. Let's see what he does.

TFG now really need to impose their culture on Everton. A culture of accountability and performance targets.

It seems that TFG want survival in the Premier League as an objective. Hope they are more ambitious in the commercial side of the business.

I hope Moyes does not come out with "the People's Club" sop. That would make me throw up.

Kenwright up there will be laughing his head off.

I have said as much on here in the past. This appointment really is testing my love of the Blues.

I totally understand appointing yet another firefighter who knows the Premier League. We all know what is going to happen over the next 2½ years if he lasts that long.

Dour football by a dour manager.

Very uninspiring from our new owners.

I don't think that there will be a "consensus" in and around the ground on Wednesday, even if a good chunk of the crowd dutifully, respectfully, and "Well I ain't gonna boo" applaud him.

Completely agree on "accountability and performance targets". That is the only way forwards. I think that Thelwell will soon be toast if the returning one gets his way.

Me, I am indifferent to it, thought the new owners would have some imagination.

My prediction, he keeps us up; next season, we have an awful start and he is sacked by October.

It may just be clickbait.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Moyes move to a DoF role after a bit and make way for someone else.

"No we wouldnt have stayed up with Dyche".

Gibberish spouted by a man who has consistently gotten his predictions wrong to the point of comedy

Despite overcoming horrendous individual errors that shattered the start. Despite struggling to score goals. Despite the other teams having one less chance of getting three points. We have not been in the bottom three. Our goal difference is currently worth another point and we have key players coming back. The second half of the season was always going to be better than the first.

Another cowardly/safe prediction because you know you cant be proven wrong, Just remember. your record for not being right also stays perfectly intact.

It is funny when you think of the number of posters who told us how professional and ruthless the American Friedkin Group would be and how the Everton "old guard" would be swept away in a tsunami of forward looking professionalism.

Cometh the hour, please step forward... Davey Moyes.

He’s got a slightly better chance of keeping us up than Dyche and it’s a high stakes game.

The fucking ghost of Everton past? Kenwright ? or his legacy’s, Baines? Chong? Whoever recommended Dour Davey needs putting in a little black book.

For future reference.

We’re going to need the bear-pit atmosphere to get us over the line this season, the last thing we need is a divided fanbase.