Season › 2024-25 › News Everton issues statement of support towards James Tarkowski following death threats and social media abuse Anjishnu Roy 04/04/2025 72comments | Jump to last Everton have come out in support of James Tarkowski after the defender and his family received death threats and social media abuse following his tackle on Liverpool’s Alexis Mac Allister in the Merseyside derby on Wednesday. The on-field referee dished out a yellow card for Tarkowski’s late studs-up follow-through on the Argentine midfielder but the referees’ body PGMOL later issued a statement suggesting he should have been sent off for the severity of the tackle. "Everton Football Club is aware of threats made towards James Tarkowski and his family on social media. Such behaviour is completely unacceptable and has no place in football or society," read a Toffees statement. "The club is liaising with James and his wife Samantha, and stands ready to engage with the social media companies and assist the police with any potential investigation. Everton strongly condemns any form of online or offline intimidation, threats or abuse directed at players, staff, or their families." The club’s manager David Moyes has also said that such abuse is ‘not acceptable’ in the pre-match press conference as Everton are set to face Arsenal this weekend following their 1-0 loss to Liverpool. "The club have issued a statement," Moyes said. "It's not acceptable for anybody in any walk of life. We have to hold our hands up. "After looking at it again, I believe it could have been a sending off but I don't think that should mean you get abused online because of that. It's part of football. He made what looked at the time what I thought was a very good tackle but looking at it again I thought it was a bit reckless." Tarkowski’s wife Samantha posted on Instagram about the abuse that her husband had been receiving and called it “beyond disgusting”. "The level of abuse my husband is receiving wishing death on him, vile comments about me, about us as a couple and about him as a person is beyond disgusting," she said. "People forget that he is more than just a footballer. He is a husband, a son, a brother, a friend and most importantly the father of our two children. “Football is a sport, but the way some so-called fans behave is disgraceful. The abuse, the threats - it's not passion, it's pathetic. We're real people and this goes far beyond football." In the aftermath of the challenge, Tarkowski was seen speaking to Mac Allister after the final whistle and even said that the Liverpool midfielder had accepted his apology. "I spoke to him and apologised because it was not a great tackle," he told Premier League Productions. Reader Comments (72) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Les Moorcroft 1 Posted 04/04/2025 at 15:36:45 They are a different breed that lot. Sky are no better. Why play never walk alone and no one talks while it's on. Mugrals. Fk lot. Andy Mead 2 Posted 04/04/2025 at 15:45:48 Cowards online. Should be named and shamed and made to explain their comments in person. Reason why the world is like it is. Same as crowds hurling abuse at players and then crying to the authorities when the players hold a finger to their lips. Jim Bennings 3 Posted 04/04/2025 at 15:52:19 Nothing shocks me with the Attack of the Killer Klowns across the park.Like to come across as the most amazing loveable crowd on earth but really it's just a nasty spiteful blood baying circus of hatred.Crime sheet over the years as long as an elephant's cock, that's both their players and the support. Danny O'Neill 4 Posted 04/04/2025 at 16:06:08 Same city. Different breed. Colin Crooks 5 Posted 04/04/2025 at 17:02:01 "Beyond disgusting"Game, set and match Mrs Tarkowski Charles Brewer 6 Posted 04/04/2025 at 17:38:11 So they've moved on from mass murder at Heysel and Hillborough and they are now threatening individual murder. At least they're consistent.As I saw a comment elsewhere, the RS had a banner saying "We built this city", far more appropriate is "We shamed this city". Christine Foster 7 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:25:14 So where is the statement from Liverpool FC condemning the abuse? It's a travesty that they will be league winners. Their self entitled arrogance hides their other side of bitter, nasty minded low life's. To go after a man's wife and kids for a collision that didn't even cause injury, well there is only one word. Scum. I used to think that the phrase " always playing the victim" was over the top but I'm honestly not so sure now. Their fans are something else, fuelled by a media who seek outrage at every turn. A despised club, giving scousers a bad name. Jeff Spiers 8 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:33:46 To each and every post above, and no doubt more to follow, 100% first class. Thank you. To every RS shit houses, you can't go any lower. No doubt you'll set the Bizzies on me for using hurty feely words. Always the fuckin victims. Scum. Ian Jones 9 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:34:51 Didn't some of our fans send death threats to Nick Barmby when he left us to join Liverpool...or was that just a rumour? Si Cooper 10 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:39:10 You cant describe the challenge as ‘late Anjishnu because he played the ball. Follow-through is always going to happen in the aftermath.‘Late makes it sound like more of an out and out assault and you are setting Tarks for more criticism from people who havent actually seen the incident.Should never happen but hopefully these are just the usual empty threats. Would be nice if the scum doing it got traced and prosecuted properly for what is a type of assault of its own. John Pickles 11 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:55:23 Keyboard warriors, not one of the cowards would dare say a word to his face. Mark Taylor 12 Posted 04/04/2025 at 18:56:17 I hope for the last time, it wasn't a 'challenge' or ' a tackle'. Had it been I can see the rationale for red. It was a clearance. Right now the calls for a red are based on the claim that Tarks meant it- thought crime can hardly be proven- or that it is apparently possible, despite the pace that football is played, for a big clearance to be made with an abbreviated follow through. Maybe but that seems a stretch and maybe McAllister, surely knowing he was getting nowhere near the ball, might not have insisted on putting himself in the line of fire. Or maybe he misjudged.Either way, death threats are a despicable thing to make, by despicable people and I agree LFC should waste no time in condemning those of their own who behave like this. Jim Bennings 13 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:01:39 You only need to look at the treatment of Trent Alexander Arnold for a clear indicator of where they are mentally.The lad has won everything at that club, come from the academy and at his age has a right to move to a vastly superior club in a vastly superior city (I mean playing your footy off Walton Breck Road or Madrid, come on) in a vastly superior weather climate.Yet no doubt when he leaves there will be effigies of him burning in streets and his house here will have been burgled and burnt out.The media are terrified of upsetting them, it's not so much as a bias as a fear so they just go along with everything that is pro Liverpool and anti everyone else. Paul Ferry 14 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:12:20 Has anyone seen a condemnation of these sons of Heysel from the red shite's suits and top brass? Jim Bennings 15 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:17:37 Didn't see anything wrong with the tackle either to be honest.Nowhere near as bad as Steven Gerrard and his hip high lunge on Kev Campbell (RIP big man) or his cowardly two footed lunge on a Gary Naismith in 2002.Or Suarez raking his studs down Sylvain Dustin's Achilles tendon in 2012 at Goodison or Kuyt trying to Bruce Lee Phil Neville in the Clattenburg derby of 2007.Kopites will obviously always have amnesia on these incidents like all their past misdemeanors. Sean Kelly 16 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:20:09 That wont happen Paul. Despicable behaviour from the devils spawn club. Despicable cretins Paul Ferry 17 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:30:35 You're a seasoned blue Sean. You know you're right.What a wonderfully poised and admirable response from wife, mother, and all-round human being Samantha. We sometimes forget how much better, smarter, and more beautiful our wives are compared to their cheap and classless WAG slags.https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=157080704352113&set=pb.100080432970900.-2207520000&locale=en_GB Anthony Flack 18 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:37:51 They are not called the Red Scum for nothing, though deep down I doubt it is abuse from true loyal local reds some of them are even ok.They have a wide range of supporters who probably do not even know where the team play, but are all capable nasty keyboard warriors. Rob Halligan 19 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:42:17 This shower of shite are so low, lower than a snakes belly, that they even sent death threats to Slippy G when he was on the verge of joining Chelsea, only for him to back down due to the threats. The most vile obnoxious scum bag bastards ever to walk this planet. Paul Ferry 20 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:47:45 Big Rob: 19: "The most vile obnoxious scum bag bastards ever to walk this planet".But never alone Rob 😆😆🤣💙👺👹 Nigel Scowen 21 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:49:40 Paul@17Bloody hell Paul I thought that was going to be a picture of the stunning Mrs Tarkowski Paul Ferry 22 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:50:06 Ah, of course, the knobhead 5Live pundits - Don Hutchinson and Michael Brown - in faux outrage screaming that it should have been a straight red and that James T knew exactly what he was doing. Paul Ferry 23 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:50:55 It's Mrs Salah Nigel. Fair point though. I should have issued a public health warning. Shaun McGough 24 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:51:22 not just italians they want to murder nowadays Nigel Scowen 25 Posted 04/04/2025 at 19:53:15 Especially whilst Im eating Paul. Paul Ferry 26 Posted 04/04/2025 at 20:05:07 I just googled "Liverpool FC condemn Tarkowski death threats".Nothing. Absolute scummy silence.All that came up was: "Everton condemn ... " Rob Halligan 27 Posted 04/04/2025 at 20:06:27 Paul, there will be nothing from that scum bag of a club. Charles Brewer 28 Posted 04/04/2025 at 20:28:26 In looking for the flag which should have read "We shamed this city", there was another which read "Form is temporary, Class is permanent".Well, I think the red club and supporters have definitively nailed that one. They may have temporary form, but they certainly have no class. And on the tackle, I thought the post match encounter between Tarkowski and Mac Allister put it properly in context when Tarkowski obviously said he'd got it a bit wrong and Mac Allister smiled and accepted the apology, clearly recognising that that's how football sometimes goes and that no malice was intended. Mac Allister went up somewhat in my opinion when I saw that. Unlike the Gobshite fans. Paul Ferry 29 Posted 04/04/2025 at 20:36:42 "Life is temporary, Murder is permanent"? Mike Connolly 30 Posted 04/04/2025 at 20:43:30 lmao, Paul. Paul Hewitt 31 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:11:33 Thank god there's a game tomorrow. Move on from this nonsense. Paul Ferry 32 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:12:49 Tarkowski getting death threats — and the complete silence from their tob brass is not "nonsense", Paul. Paul Hewitt 33 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:24:58 It's a couple of knob heads, PF. The world's full of them. Paul Ferry 34 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:26:26 Understood, PH, but think of the family. Imagine if it was yours. Paul Hewitt 35 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:30:29 In truth PF, I'd ignore it. The dickheads that did it were probably pissed and forgot what they did the next day. Les Moorcroft 36 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:38:27 Yes, Paul @35, it will not be their fault. Poor lads. Just got pissed and threatened a family. Ah well, there's always tomorrow. Scum — no other words. Paul Hewitt 37 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:43:41 Les. Let the police deal with it. Fans moaning on a forum does nothing. Les Moorcroft 38 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:46:18 Well we better close all forums down, Paul. Is it not a place to have your say? Danny O'Neill 39 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:47:18 Sorry all. I know its an emotive topic, but we're playing Arsenal tomorrow. Get over there and discuss that. Les Moorcroft 40 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:48:29 You go over. Paul Hewitt 41 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:49:04 It's is, but it's the same old shite. "They are all scum" — total fucking nonsense. I know plenty of Red Shite fans who are perfectly nice people. Paul Ferry 42 Posted 04/04/2025 at 21:49:22 Danny, this is today's topic, mate. Danny O'Neill 43 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:04:56 You'll both be there tomorrow, Paul(s). I know you both will.Don't forget Soldier Field in July.I'm home and getting ready for the match. I've said all I can about Wednesday. Paul Ferry 44 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:12:17 Have a great trip, Danny. 2-1 to us (Beto will not score). Eric Haworth 45 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:29:33 Boys & Girls, please bear in mind that this is no one-off, because they have history. Both Pickford and Doucoure have been similarly on the receiving end of this type of loathsome cowardice. It is another symptom of the vile plague that seems to exist within that club and shared by its followers, and Danny (#4) puts it more succinctly than I. Likewise, Christine (#7) who spotlights the complete lack of dignity that has been absent within that club for many years. So anyone being surprised by their failure to condemn their latest in a catalogue of vile behaviour, only has to recall John Smith's statement post-Heysel. Their followers are merely continuing the unacceptable behaviour that was condoned by their club a number of years ago. Andrew Merrick 46 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:30:48 They won the bloody game, and took the spoils, but that's not enough is it?Any self-respecting red would disown this, the silence is truly deafening isn't it... Derek Thomas 47 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:47:18 Red Shite: you always get exactly what it says on the tin.I'd rather walk alone thanks. Paul Ferry 48 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:54:54 Absolutely Eric (45): after Heysel: lest we forget:John Smith: "The ground was not good enough for an ordinary match, let alone a final … "John Smith: "The Heysel troublemakers were actually National Front supporters, probably from London, and that a shot had been fired before the worst part of the riot."John Smith: "I was approached by six NF supporters who he said professed themselves “delighted with the death and destruction of Heysel … They were boasting they had caused the trouble that evening and seemed pleased with their actions … [they claimed to be] the National Front, from Chelsea. They led Liverpool fans into something they wouldn't usually get involved in".“Smith was a man of values and integrity” (liverpool-kop.com)Peter Robinson: “I certainly cannot condone the behaviour of some Liverpool fans but there are questions which need to be asked … The fence erected to divide the fans was flimsy affair, and there appeared to be no police presence between the fans. Whole sections of the concrete wall at the rear of the trouble spot had been removed allowing people to flood in. And it would appear no-one was frisked as the police found literally hundreds of bottles afterwards. More security could and should have been taken.”Liverpool Liberal Councillor Peter Red Shite Millea (to the Echo): "I met a contingent of skinheads wearing Union Jack T-shirts and speaking with cockney accents."Lest we forget: Bruno Guarini: “They came running at us through the fence [my son] Alberto was caught against a barrier. His last words were ‘Papa, mi stanno schiaccando' – Daddy, they're crushing me”. Guarini lost consciousness, but when he came to he insisted that the Red Cross join him to search for his son. They found him, lifeless.Bruno Guarini: “we thought their fans would be like us, just crazy about football.” Si Cooper 49 Posted 04/04/2025 at 22:57:49 Paul H, I'm 100% with you on this issue.The sweeping negative generalisations and the endless ‘whataboutery' TW has been swamped with since Wednesday night is just what we detest in others (them especially) and rightly call them out for.Andrew (46), have you actually spoken to anyone who is denying the death threats are despicable? Paul Ferry 50 Posted 04/04/2025 at 23:12:50 I think, Si (49), that like me, Andrew is referring to the suits and top brass who own, run, and manage that club. Bob Parrington 51 Posted 04/04/2025 at 00:18:07 Such chicken shit behaviour, by a substantial group of RS so-called supporters, hiding behind their social media screens, is to be expected. This comes top down as I haven't seen any condemnation of this behaviour from the top brass of RS, either. Shame on them!PGMOL hasn't helped in all this. And I notice they didn't mention the offside in the build-up to the goal. One-eyed gits. George Stuart 52 Posted 05/04/2025 at 02:05:26 My view was, well, he got the ball. Is it even a free kick?Then I did tempere that with, well, maybe there was a follow through.As the commentary team said "It looks worse every time you see it". After the fifth replay. Nicholas Ryan 53 Posted 05/04/2025 at 02:18:44 How do we know they were death threats, if they were spoken in Norwegian! Mike Connolly 54 Posted 05/04/2025 at 07:51:07 Good point, Nicholas. Andrew Merrick 55 Posted 05/04/2025 at 08:03:37 Si 49, Paul 50I believe that LFC should formally condemn this.I don't visit red sites so I can't see what is being said there, but I've not seen any sign of contrition from anywhere about this.It was a derby tackle, it was left on the park, no one was hurt.Arsenal next Kevin Edward 56 Posted 05/04/2025 at 08:34:56 What I understand from all this is that the rabid media onslaught on Tarks is to blame.Just banging on and on about it has made the worst of the ‘most knowledgeable fans in football go ape and wet their knickers as usual.On another day it might have been a red card, on that day it wasnt, same as offside, handball, ‘contact in the box etc etc.Good on Mrs.T, ‘Its not passion its pathetic. sums up the situation. And the endless drivel from media pundits adds absolutely nothing to the sport. Next week ‘Salah felt the contact (from an earthworm) so he deserves the right to go down in the box, this week ‘ohhh that was reckless, Tarks doesnt have the right to firmly clear that ball, he should go in like a pussy and let MacAllister have the ball Its all a bit pathetic. Dave Abrahams 57 Posted 05/04/2025 at 10:02:11 Andrew (55), Andrew dont hold your breath waiting for any sign of contrition from Liverpool FC it took them a very long time to show some sort of contrition for the death of 39 nine lives at that Juventus v Liverpool European cup final which the Juventus fans turned their backs at——and rightly so. Martin Farrington 58 Posted 05/04/2025 at 10:49:31 Ok. I'm going to risk an onslaught of abuse here.Everton fan and construction worker Michael Jones died at BMD whilst on the job.Jurgen Klopp brought the Liverpool team to BMD and they all paid their respects. There was no need to.I believe had Klippity been their manager, then a statement of condemnation would have been forthcoming. Despite his sideline antics, and being a rns.Slott The Slime on the other hand is an altogether different animal. Dont hold your breath regarding a statement of any kind.They are vile scum. They do not believe hysel or hillsborough was their fault. What other clubs have committed such atrocities ?Then there was Paris. Rns given 19,600 tickets. Printed 2,800 fakes and 35,000 of them turned up at the stadium !!!!!Why !!!!!!Nothing changes. Generations later and still they are at it.They do it all the time. They did at the Derby cup finals back in the 80's. Thousands without tickets. Loads of them storming the gates. Climbing the walls and forming human ladders like an invading army of rats.I know. I was there. Seeing them taking drugs then mobbing the gates without giving a shit about the genuine fans. The few police there were shocked. It had been dubbed a friendly final. I wont say more. It was horrendous. Never reported on. So when Klopp and co turned up at BMD I thought maybe they have changed.How wrong I am. Alan J Thompson 59 Posted 05/04/2025 at 12:46:44 Everton should be insisting PGMOL must apologise for and withdraw their comments and condemn the supporters of any club responsible for these threats with the apology being made on SKY in front of the press. Mick O'Malley 60 Posted 05/04/2025 at 17:44:51 What the fuck is wrong with people? It's a game, for fuck's sake! There are more important things in life; imagine threatening harm or ill health on someone over a tackle. I know it's a passionate game but come on, it's beyond comprehension how some people get so angry and vile.Social media has a lot to answer for, I give it a wide berth. Jeff Spiers 62 Posted 06/04/2025 at 15:57:32 Martin. No abuse from me. Phil Roberts 63 Posted 06/04/2025 at 16:12:18 We need to be looking to who to play for the first game at BMD.We always have one Pre-Season friendly at home.My vote, to commemorate that fateful day 40 years ago, that we ask Juventus. The Old Lady of clubs to mark the end of our time playing at the Old Lady of grounds.Maybe a wreath to mark the death of our Old Lady and also to remember the 39 killed 40 years earlier. Roger Helm 64 Posted 07/04/2025 at 11:43:26 When I seize power, one of my first commands will be to ban anonymous online comments. If you are going to say something you should take responsibility for it, not skulk in your bedroom, sniggering. In my opinion, anonymous comments have made society a lot worse. Danny O'Neill 65 Posted 07/04/2025 at 13:08:57 Martin, that was a fitting gesture by Klopp and his squad.I saw Arsenal presented Everton with a framed Arsenal shirt with the dates of their first visit to Goodison in 1905 and Saturday's date.A small, but nice gesture from a very professional, well run and classy club.I wouldn't have expected that from our neighbours, so I'm not bothered.They air brush Heysels with shameless arrogance. Gloss it over at best.I'm not sure about Hillsborough. There were too many mistakes and factors that led to that tradgedy to single them out. And the cover up that followed was a traversty of justice. We have been more supportive to them than any, but they conveniently forget that when it suits. At the recent derby, they were taunting us with the usual "you haven't won a trophy since 1996". Banter. The response was (to the same tune) "you haven't killed an Italian since 1985". Not all but pockets. I guess that could be considered distasteful, emotions do run high. Especially now. James Newcombe 66 Posted 08/04/2025 at 11:28:39 Oh those loveable, cheeky Reds… Martin Farrington 67 Posted 09/04/2025 at 11:58:12 Danny you are right regards Hillsborough. But I will never compute why several thousand of ticketless freeloaders turn up to force their way in with disregard for anyone else but themself. Disgusting. Unbelievable. Why? Who gives a shit if you were at a semi-final? Or any other game? Historically, no one cares. Financially nothing has any intrinsic value from any of those games. Yes, the FA, the police, Ambulance service and ridiculous fencing regulations and failure by those pitchside to open the gates were all guilty of crimes. Despite Hysel, it showed Red Shite are amoral and feral. Decades later, they still are. They make my blood boil and need for wearing my rarely donned angry trousers! Danny O'Neill 68 Posted 09/04/2025 at 14:22:56 You're only human Martin like the rest of us blues! Hating them is in our blood.Hillsborough is an tragedy that effected the city. By and large we have shown them nothing but empathy.Back in 2009, at the semi final against Manchester United. I had a ticket, but gave it to my son. Once me and his mum saw him into Wembley, we found a pub nearby to watch on the tele. We sat down to be joined by a few United supporters who we sat with. They were mostly okay, but at some point started chanting derogatory Hillsborough chants. God knows why. I had a word, only to receive a dig in the ribs from the wife and told to stop it.Unbeknown to me, there was a table of Evertonians across. One, on his own approached them and with a close up finger in face told them in no uncertain terms to pack it in or . you can guess the rest and the language was a bit more colourful than that.After the match we were met by my son saying best experience ever and my youngest brother, who'd had a few, screaming "one Jagielka" in my face. Reference to our many debates, with me not rating Jagielka as highly as he did.Link Martin Mason 69 Posted 09/04/2025 at 15:04:17 Martin, the theory that they were ticketless supporters was well debunked. Just to be fair. Joe Ainsworth 70 Posted 09/04/2025 at 15:17:29 I am deeply disturbed, having read every one of the comments in this thread, to find several posts containing disgraceful comments about the Hillsborough tragedy. Many people from the city, on both sides of the football divide, lost family members, friends and loved ones on that terrible day. For many, the memories and trauma will never fade. Those who care to examine the facts of the case will know the reasons why so many football fans were lost that day. There have been court proceedings, apologies in parliament and countless statements all confirming the lies that were told and the culpability and negligence of those really at fault on 15th April 1989.To use the deaths of those fans as a way of scoring points in a row over a tackle in a Derby match and the subsequent, moronic online threats, is an absolute disgrace. The only excuse I can offer on your behalf is that you are too young to remember the impact Hillsborough had on the city of Liverpool or too ignorant to care. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Danny O'Neill 71 Posted 09/04/2025 at 15:27:07 Who used Hillsborough and suggested we did Joe? I was at the derby and Hillsborough never featured. Joe Ainsworth 72 Posted 09/04/2025 at 17:57:05 I'm talking about this thread of posts, Danny, not the derby, which I also attended. Hillsborough is specifically mentioned above on at least four occasions and heavily implied in the numerous comments referencing 'always the victims', let's not pretend we don't know what that actually means. Seeing as you ask, let's examine your post 65 which includes the phrase 'I'm not sure about Hillsborough'. Have you even the remotest idea how utterly offensive those words are? 'Not sure' about what exactly? About who you, in your infinite wisdom, apportion the blame to? Would you like to clarify exactly what you are 'not sure' about? What I am sure about is how deeply offensive those words are to the many blues and reds alike still affected by the tragedy, including many of my friends and family. Danny O'Neill 73 Posted 09/04/2025 at 18:30:39 Joe, I remember the 'victims' tag and 'never your fault before Hillsborough. In my opinion, it's been labelled as being aimed at taunting over Hillsborough more recently. It isn't. Probably more at Heysel. It didn't help, that alleged allocations were made at the time that it was the authorities, the Belgian FA, the police, the stadium, Juventus supporters for provoking them and even Chelsea supporters were to blame. Now a lot of that may be true and contributing factors, without doubt. I am not sure about the Chelsea claim. Is that just urban myth? Either way, that's where "it's never your fault" originated to my memory and it bears no reference to Hillsborough. It just gets taken that way by them.Likewise, their airbrushing of it from history is fuelled by the fact (yes fact), that it wasn't mentioned officially by them until 15 years after the event.So no, victims is not about Hillsborough. It's about many other things that they do, which makes them extremely disliked by supporters across the country. They shamed football, they shamed our city and then proceeded to deflect blame for their part in the tragedy. It has also given rise to the chants of "self-pity city", which the Manchester clubs like to use and we get tagged with.Either way, their supporters. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb