Word on the Garbutt Deal

ThatÂ’s great news Craig. Stonesy hinted that heÂ’d "make the right decision" a few days ago. If he was going to go heÂ’d had gone by now. Out on loan for a season then back to start slowly replacing Bainsey. Good deal for everyone involved.

IÂ’m also surprised by the ١m quoted for Del. IÂ’ve been told it was ٦-10m so maybe the ١m is just a down payment.

Craig Mills,

If thatÂ’s true about Garbutt then I for one will be happy. A season on loan at a lower half Premier League club could be the makings of him. To paraphrase David Moyes, he can make his mistakes somewhere else!

Craig – Sounds promising. And maybe this is wishful thinking from me here (and idle speculation) but perhaps the decision to play Brendan Galloway in the last two games of the season at left-back was in order to see whether he’d be an able deputy for Baines next season should Garbutt go out on loan.

As Galloway was a relative success perhaps it gave Kenwright and Martinez the security to give Garbutt what he wants for next season – game time at another club, but only on loan.

....but heÂ’ll put up with playing Â’third fiddleÂ’ for 㿊k a week, eh? Good Evertonian, him!

CanÂ’t see 30k a week for a largely untested left back. Potentially a decent left back but... not for that type of wage.

I wonder what James McCarthy thinks about what is essentially a third choice cover player being on ٣k less than the Irishman?

Surely Garbutt (if he signs) will go out on loan. I hope either Bainsey or Oviedo are tried out in midfield at some point.

Should be very happy for him, Patrick! WouldnÂ’t you?

Hope we keep hold of him.

Does this mean that Martinez has just cost the club an avoidable 㾾k a week (𨁠,000 a year)? By the way, I am more than happy to see Luke staying, unfortunately I canÂ’t say the same for Martinez.

Hope he stays, perfect replacement for Baines when he eventually retires.

Steve, I too have lost faith in Martinez as our long-term answer as manager, but the details of the statements in this article cannot be proven one way or the other. Eventually we will know if we will sign Garbutt, how much a week we will pay him, and if we will loan him out next season. But weÂ’ll never know for sure what Garbutt might or might not have been willing to agree to 2 months ago.

In general, this article sounds like the perspective or spin that GarbuttÂ’s agent might put on the situation. Which is his right, the agent is only trying to get the best possible deal for his client and show his client in the best possible light. But thatÂ’s what it sounds like.

Not quite sure how your having a go at Martinez Â’costingÂ’ Everton 1 million here. Managers rarely (if ever now?) handle the money side of transfers/contracts, thatÂ’s what the money men are for.

Martinez is the coach and I donÂ’t blame him for wanting the extra cover at LB, considering Oviedo is made of glass. Would you rather he just willy-nilly rolled over for ever demand?

Clearly, though, the club have made the best of a bad job here in the end (if true), and it could have been handled better, a year in advance of this.

I would have liked to have seen Garbutt played left midfield with Baines behind him, this is something thatÂ’s worked very well in the past with Coleman.

Maybe going out on loan to play a full 30-odd games in a season may serve him better in the long run, but for me itÂ’s a must he stays. Wages shouldnÂ’t really concern fans either, I think, as most of what we are told is a load of crap anyways, and the true details of a playerÂ’s contract is down to bonuses.

After what IÂ’ve seen of Garbutt plus what IÂ’ve read about his England Under-21 games, itÂ’s a massive positive if he stays on-board the big Blue ship.

Very good news to me. If he goes out on loan his wages will be met by someone else. Only issue is if heÂ’s rubbish and we canÂ’t offload him season after next. He seems like a good player to me so canÂ’t see that happening.

Great news about Garbutt but I’m a bit disappointed in the Deulofeu deal! I watched him a few time last year; no-one in Spain rates him anymore... he was awful for Barça B team then got loaned out and did nothing for Sevilla. I think he might have been a one-season wonder.

This is a detailed layout of the negotiations, Craig. IÂ’m sure your source is thrilled you jumped into a discussion board and laid the whole business out. Hope Luke re-upping is true, mind. Some of the details seem a bit fishy, though.

Going out on loan was the hang-up because our manager (rightly) needed him for cover. Now, Luke can go out on loan as a contract guarantee (!!) AND (assuming your numbers are correct) at a wage increased from 㾸k to 㿊k a week? Help me here, please.

And, since IÂ’m asking for help, where is Everton to find this EPL club guaranteeing an unproven, weak-defending LB a starting 11 spot; especially amongst the leagueÂ’s newly-arrived? If the OP is true, wouldnÂ’t part of this deal require a loan agreement in place at the time of signing?

Not to mention, Roberto wanted him to remain in the squad. With good reason. Now, with Baines still recovering from ankle surgery and Oviedo coming off two serious injuries, RobertoÂ’s agreed to let him go out?

And if he has agreed, why would Everton have to bump their wage offer up so dramatically; 150% a couple months later? Even in a "We offer low", "You ask high" negotiation, Garbutt would have to have been asking around 㿞k a week!

None of this against Garbutt, though. With all the talk of youngsters not making the grade, hereÂ’s a kid whoÂ’s moved up the ranks for Club and country. He keeps on the same track, the future looks bright.

However, the details youÂ’re presenting makes it appear the Club is taking dictation for GarbuttÂ’s agent, not negotiating terms. The Club is giving in so completely on wages, playing time, AND who Garbutt plays for? WeÂ’ll see presently, I guess.

HereÂ’s my biggest problem with the info youÂ’re providing, Craig. Last year and this, Colin Glasser has been way out in front on player dealings that turned out to be true or appear about to. So, I accept someone, truly in the know, occasionally gives him a nod and a wink. Yet, however heavily pressed on said dealings, Colin has (properly and correctly) kept his cards close.

Now hereÂ’s you providing us quite a bit of detail on Club business with a particular player. So detailed that, if true, it has to be from someone with intimate access to whatÂ’s going on. How hard can it be for the Club or GarbuttÂ’s advisors to find out who shot their mouth off? This individual told you all this without your assurance youÂ’d keep your trap shut? Either this person was exceedingly stupid or wrongly thought you a friend.

Or both.

Or was pulling your leg.

Or youÂ’re pulling ours.

Now, everything youÂ’ve told us, plays out? IÂ’ll be back in here as soon as possible to apologize to you. I will.

But SOMETHING in the "Smell Test" here has got my nose wrinkling.

James (#18), I wouldnÂ’t put it past someone actually having a source particular on contract dealings. We are all human, players/managers etc have personal lives too. The player himself could have mentioned to close friends or family.

Although, I can see why youÂ’re sceptical as there are so many trolls making up rumours for attention. The media too are guilty of filling column inches with made up tripe to sell a few more papers. You also make a very good argument with your post.

IÂ’m very good friends with an immediate family member of a Premier League manager (unfortunately not Everton) and itÂ’s astonishing the things they (not employed by the club) know about the clubs transfer dealings etc. It seems to be human nature to talk. I knew very early on of a number of there dealings last year, inc a massive sale so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

I also went to school with a current premiership/international footballer and during catch ups with mates, many stories filter down from him as well...unfortunately, yet again, non Everton.

Put me in the Â’gullibleÂ’ pile for this one as I want to believe Craig. Win Loose or Draw with this one, I hope Craig (like Colin) comes back to justify his bold post.

James, itÂ’s also possible the OP is spin that GarbuttÂ’s advisors *wanted* to be bandied about in public, but without being identified as the source.

The article is basically positive PR for Garbutt, which is fine as long as we recognize thatÂ’s what it is. Garbutt has appeared in a bad light among supporters recently since he appears to want to leave. This article makes his side of the case to supporters.

I don't know if the rumour is true about BK getting involved in the transfer personally. But maybe it is and the chairman is also losing faith with RM. After all, a week before the last game of the season, RM said publicly that Distin wasn't going to be in the squad, but Distin was in the squad. Now I guess that this was a BK decision and not a RM decision.

Geoffrey,

Not so sure Garbutt "has appeared in a bad light among supporters recently". I think myself and many many other people completely respect a young manÂ’s desire to be in a situation where he can actually contribute and grow professionally.

His contract is up, the manager chose to play an injured sub-par Baines all season, and then chose a teenager ahead of Garbutt in the last two matches. What person in their right mind wouldnÂ’t assess the situation to see what his best option is professionally? Garbutt hasnÂ’t really said anything on the matter.

But if in your career you had a limited number of years to earn a paycheck, with people popping up all around the world threatening your current position, and you were currently stuck behind another person even though that person was not performing very well, what would you do when your contract came up? Would you just sign on blindly? Or if you had other companies coming at you with offers would you listen to them?

We offered him 㾸k a week but couldn't promise him starting football at Everton we also wouldn't let him go on loan due to the backup system for Baines and Ovideo (injuries). Other teams got involved: Swansea City, Leicester City... and noticed he could be available on a free, giving them a chance of landing him — that's why the wages demand has gone higher.

Luke has always wanted to sign for us, he just wants to improve his career and move himself forward. With Galloway doing well in the last two games, Roberto must have faith we have cover and granted him to go on loan to Bournemouth, also have to give him the money to beat the competition from other clubs. We have offered him 㿊k a week and also granted he can join Bournemouth that is going to take a percentage of his wage. Let's say 50% of his wage leaves us paying 㾻k a week which is only 3 grand more that we first offered, plus he getting first team Premier League experience. It's a win-win situation. Have faith... In Bill We Trust.

Thomas (19), Geoffrey (20) - Fair enough.

Sorry. That some fellow named Craig was given the info to post in ToffeeWeb, rather than a major media outlet given the info? Sorry. Not buying that.

Plus, I looked again. Nowhere on the web is anything resembling CraigÂ’s post being reported. Mind, one of LukeÂ’s options has always been (and remains) to re-up with the Club. Always been an option.

WeÂ’ve been wound up.

James Flynn, that post makes sense.

James, I certainly hope the info I was given is correct, not to save face on me posting a report, but simply to see Luke sign a new deal, and just for your peace of mind, where it came from will have never even heard of ToffeeWeb.com!!

LetÂ’s hope it comes good, I think heÂ’ll be some player in a year or two.

Craig, I like little bits of info like this so cheers for passing it on.

James Flynn,

If you think players, agents, club officials donÂ’t talk or let snippets of info out to friends, associates, media etc then youÂ’re very naive.

Thomas Surgenor,

Which one of Gary MonkÂ’s family are you friends with?

He signed yet?