Transfer Realism

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Four weeks to kick-off and we see the sporadic and usually moronic, transfer speculation in the media.

The best policy is for clubs to have their trading done well before the season starts. What is the point of pre-season if players are sold or brought in after the work is done? Unfortunately that is not the way of the word, but we can hope.

Good early business from the manager. Getting in Tom Cleverley, presumably as a long-term replacement for the ‘past sell-by date’ Barry and, sadly, never fit, Gibson, coupled with the deal for Deulofeu, was a good start. David Henen is one for the future. This leaves the holes that need filling, (attack, central defence and goalkeeper), to be dealt with.

Why we are still linked with every midfield player in Europe amazes me. Those mentioned plus Barkley, McCarthy, Osman, Besic, Mirallas etc must show the hacks something. But not being linked to countless strikers and experienced central defenders is worrying. I know Mr Martinez likes his passing game and would, therefore, be happy watching eleven midfielders playing keep-ball for 90 minutes. But that is never going to work. Even Barcelona have a striker or two on their books...

The good news appears to be that Aidan McGeady is attracting interest from elsewhere. I would like to see Bryan Oviedo given the chance to play some regular football elsewhere, not because I don’t rate him, but because he is now third left back on the rank and we can’t hold on to him and Luke Garbutt.

The bad news is that players like these and Arouna Kone won’t generate much (if any) spending power. We may have to cash in an asset to get the funds to strengthen where we need it. Does one of McCarthy, Barkley or Mirallas equal the three players we still need to have a competitive squad? If it does, and if we can guarantee only one of them goes, that might prove good business.

What we can’t afford to happen is a transfer deadline-day scramble disrupting the squad. The problems caused when Joleon Lescott wanted out are still in the memory.

It's up to the manager to control the comings and goings and not be led by them. A final-day merry-go-round usually results in paying too much for a replacement or a hole in the squad that can’t be filled until next year.

Whatever happens between now and the end of August, I just hope we aren’t picked off as a selling club and that any departures are for the best interest of this team rather than for the whims of agents and so-called bigger clubs.

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James Stewart
1 Posted 13/07/2015 at 14:32:25
Cleverley is not a replacement for Barry or Gibson. He is not defensive minded at all. More likely an Osman replacement if anything and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him pushed out wide just like Osman, Barkley and Naismith have been. Martinez seemed to love that weird asymmetric shape last season.

Deulofeu on the other hand was great business and adds something we lacked, pace and directness.

We still lack a reliable keeper. We have no centre-back cover unless Browning and Galloway are being promoted. No right-back cover.
No creative No 10. No striker cover. Kone does not count.

All-in-all, we still need to do a lot more business then, just to get back to a Moyes strength squad.

Paul Jeronovich
2 Posted 13/07/2015 at 14:49:43
I think Roberto has a central midfielder fetish as we seem to be collecting them. I too am worried about the central defence and striking positions. The thought of Kone as the only real striking backup fills me with dread. We simply cannot go in to the new season unless these positions are covered.
Joe Foster
3 Posted 13/07/2015 at 15:14:47
No, one McCarthy does not equal two or three players, because, as soon as you sell for big money, anyone you try to buy has their prices bumped up.
Kevin Tully
4 Posted 13/07/2015 at 15:28:29
Martin, please explain just why we have to "cash in an asset to get the funds to strengthen where we need it."

We have spent around ٧.8M net over the past 5 seasons. We will receive around 㿊M in extra TV revenues this season alone. We swopped Lukaku for Fellaini in financial terms. Hopefully we can match the likes of West Ham, Hull & Stoke when it comes down to transfers.

The problem isn't that the manager doesn't want to sign players, is it?

Brent Stephens
5 Posted 13/07/2015 at 15:48:48
Martin "Why we are still linked with every midfield player in Europe amazes me. .. not being linked to countless strikers and experienced central defenders is worrying. I know Mr Martinez likes his passing game and would, therefore, be happy watching eleven midfielders playing keep-ball for 90 minutes. But that is never going to work".

Martin, do you really think the tripe in the papers reflects the reality on the ground in terms of what Roberto's buying policy is?

Paul Smith
6 Posted 13/07/2015 at 15:46:57
It's worrying that Ossie was lauded as our saviour at the arse end of last season. If Cleverley is his replacement he's functional at the least, lacking any flair that Ossie has.

I think realistically we can expect two more paid-up signings (maybe others on loan). A CM who can pass the ball forward with a bit of flair, and a CB.

Jay Woods
7 Posted 13/07/2015 at 15:45:11
Selling one good player for a large fee and then using it to fill gaps in the squad seldom works -- look at the mess Spurs made of the Bale money, which would have made them a much greater force had it been allocated to acquiring perhaps just two genuinely excellent players.
Denis Richardson
8 Posted 13/07/2015 at 16:20:04
Realistic to not get all hot under the collar until the season starts and the transfer deadline is looming. I'm glad we've at least brought in two new faces early - which is a big change from the last few years.

The club knows that we need a CB as an absolute must given we let two go in June. Added to that we need some creativity badly in attacking midfield. A CB and the elusive no.10 are the main things we need. After that another striker and decent GK. (All 4 would be great but I'll stop dreaming...)

Not panicking just yet (I will be come end of July and we've still not signed anyone else...)

James Stewart
9 Posted 13/07/2015 at 16:56:49
@7 it worked under Moyes for us with Rooney and Lescott sales. I don't think it would under the current regime though...
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 13/07/2015 at 17:52:14
I think we'll get a 'golden oldie' as a CB, someone like Vidic who can give us a season or two until Browning and Galloway are ready.

Number 10 might be a loan signing (SR from FCB?) and we might splash the cash on a forward like Ayew.

Five in, two out and BK's cronies laughing all the way to the bank.

Aidy Dews
13 Posted 13/07/2015 at 17:52:51
Kevin Tully, we may get an extra 㿈-30m a season in extra income but not all that goes on the transfer budget!

Look at what Martinez has spent at us BEFORE sales since the existing TV deal has been in place! He's spent roughly between ٤-10m in each of the past 2 seasons before selling someone or a couple of players.

So clearly not all the TV money is going into the transfer pot! It all goes on increased wages and wages across the board, operating costs at the club, new gear, lick of paint on the ground before the big kick off, putting bits aside for a new stadium and reducing debt!

How true this is, I don't know, but I read that Liverpool council had advised the club to clear our debt in order to get help with funding from the council themselves or potential investors towards a new stadium and that's what the majority of the existing TV money has gone on, reducing debt?!

But at the start of next season, the new and increased TV deal comes into play and there's no excuses from our board to put up a decent transfer kitty as well as pay for other overheads and totally reduce debt and put money aside!

But I think this summer we will have a very modest transfer budget again as always. We all have this argument every summer since the TV deal came into play, some saying we should have 㿊m or whatever to spend etc but look at the figures in black and white, BEFORE sales, we spend nowhere near that amount each season, only until we sell a player or two!

Jay Harris
14 Posted 13/07/2015 at 18:10:55
With the sales of Anichebe and Jelavic accompanied by Fellaini we should have had a banked surplus of around 㿏 million at the time and with the accompanying increase in TV money should have had about 㿞 million with the debt not being reduced (which it wasn't, BTW). We also cleared a lot of players off the books thereby reducing wages.

What followed is we got Lukaku for ٧ million a year over 3 seasons and increased some wages but should have plenty down the back of Bill's sofa, together with more increased TV revenue.

So we need to ask why are we being outspent by the likes of Stoke, West Ham and even Hull.

Darren Hind
15 Posted 13/07/2015 at 18:51:03
Are we though, Jay?

Martinez has spent about 㿨M in two years and I reckon that will rise to around 㿲M by the time this window closes. Not quite Chelsea, or City but probably more than anyone outside the rich six. He needs to be smarter, because this crew will never give him the sort of money the big boys give their managers.

Andy Crooks
17 Posted 13/07/2015 at 19:51:15
During the lowest points of last season, some Evertonians defended Martinez by suggesting that he needed another summer to get rid of deadwood and bring in new players.

Now, I would never use the phrase to describe Everton player, however it is the job of the coach to identify and replace those who are well past their best. Using that criteria there are players who should be gone. Howard, Hibbert, Barry, Kone, Osman, Pienaar. I have admired most of those players and wish them well but none of them would start in a side with ambition. None will bring in much money but would at least free up some money for loan deals.

Eugene Kearney
19 Posted 13/07/2015 at 20:10:17
Can someone print this article the first two posts and send it to Roberto?

A good summary of what we need... simple, concise, to the point.

Raymond Fox
20 Posted 13/07/2015 at 20:36:51
Darren, he might have spent 㿨m after this window but he also sold Fellaini, Anichebe
Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 13/07/2015 at 21:15:44
Maybe so, Darren, but a manager that takes over a top six team is usually given money to spend.

He spent Â٤ million on Kone, even though he had a ٣ million release clause, which was then cancelled out by the sale of Victor. He got a couple of loans, and bought McCarthy, but only after selling Fellaini.

After the sale of Jelavic, we must have been at least 㾻 million better off at the end of Martinez's first season in charge.

He has since signed Lukaku, Besic and Deulofeu for about 㿏 million, so must have a net spend of about 㿀 million.

A lot of money for Everton, that... even with the increased Sky money. Maybe you're right, Darren, expect our new Number 10 to be another loan signing, unless we sell one of our own players first.

Ross Edwards
22 Posted 13/07/2015 at 21:51:19
Martinez was on SSN earlier and he said that we're looking to sign 2 more players before the transfer deadline.

Either that means two major signings with some loans later on, or just 2 signings full stop, which is nowhere near enough.

We need a No 10, a GK, a CB, RB cover for Coleman, another winger and a striker because Kone is terrible and McAleny isn't Premier League level.

Jim Knightley
23 Posted 13/07/2015 at 21:45:05
Our first eleven is not in bad shape at all – Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Stones, Baines, McCarthy, Cleverley, Mirallas, Barkley, Deulofeu and Lukaku are a talented contingent, with room to grow. We also have good midfield depth.

I don't think we should be looking for a striker, in view of our financial constraints. Kone can still find some form after a full pre-season; Mirallas and Naismith offer out-of-position options, and McAleny may yet offer a realistic back up choice. If we are to consider a striker, I'd try for Hernandez on loan with an option to buy (even with his injury).

The biggest concern is at centre-back. Stones is only 21, and is our backup CB. We cannot trust any of the young CBs in our squad, and if/when Jags gets injured/suspended, pairing one of them with Stones could be suicide. We must bring in a senior CB. Martinez has acknowledged this, but my concern is whether Martinez can bring in the right kind of player.

Personally, I expect that we may try for Evans once Man Utd bid for a first choice CB (possibly Otamendi). I would still prefer a fourth CB, but three would be understandable in view of the promising youth prospects in the squad.

Our next major concern is another creative midfielder. Osman and Pienaar are on the decline, and we cannot rely on them to give us what we need – ie, someone who can create chances, get our speedy players in behind, and someone who can control our tempo. Personally, I'd like the creative presence to be able to function in a wide and central position, so that we do not alienate Barkley. I'd like to see us consider Kagawa, Mertens or Hakim Ziyech for this role.

We also have far too many midfielders, as many posters on here have noted over the last couple of weeks. Personally, I'd like to see McGeady moved on irrespective of who we buy, and Pienaar moved on if we bring in a creative player. I also expect that Martinez will bring in another wide player on loan if we lose numbers in midfield (in view of his appreciation for wide players). Sidney Sam has stuttered at Schalke, and is likely available for loan in view of last season's events. He is a super player at his best, with all the abilities to thrive in the Premier League. Personally, if we are looking for another wide option because of sales, I cant think of many better affordable options. He could well be another Pienaar or Arteta.

I think it's important that we do not panic. It is best to negotiate for the right players, not to just bid for any good players that are available. The readiness of some on here to criticise Everton for failing to bid for some of the recent incoming purchases/rumours is exactly the kind of mentality we should avoid.

We don't need Shaqiri – he is exactly what we already have. A player who holds onto the ball for too long, shoots too often, and who wont take up the creative mantle. We don't need a 29-year-old Cabaye for 㾸 million either, because he is better in a deeper position. We don't need to follow the model of Liverpool and Spurs in recent years.

We should concentrate on getting the right player for our squad, and that might take a little time. We are 13 days in, and have brought in two senior midfielders so far. We need to stop the Mirallas and McCarthy speculation, and concentrate on getting in a CB and creative mid, and then look to the loan market for further strengthening depending on the position of the squad and finances. I'll be worried if we haven't added anyone else to the team in two weeks time, but I'm not worried yet.

Laurie Hartley
24 Posted 13/07/2015 at 22:23:42
Colin @ 12,

I would love to see Vidic join Everton – the problem is he would want to start every game. Rightly so in my view – one of my favourite footballers.

Then again, I think about what happened with Eto'o.

Danny Broderick
25 Posted 13/07/2015 at 23:08:45
Footballers earn a lot of money these days. If you buy them in the summer, you are possibly paying them £50,000 a week and more just to run around a training field.

I am sure it is a consideration sometimes when players are bought - if not, why else do so many moves happen towards the end of the transfer windows? If we buy someone at the end of July, they could still play in the first game, but would have just done their pre-season (and been paid 6 weeks wages) elsewhere.

I think we might get another 2 in before the window closes yet. I would love Ospina in goal, I think he would be in our price range too. I would also like Lennon. I can see McGeady leaving, and possibly someone else like Oviedo, to balance the books and squad numbers out a bit.

I think our squad is decent. We don't need an overhaul, just a top up. We will be a bit fragile at CB unless we get someone in to cover Jags and Stones. I am hoping one of the young lads might be able to do this.

Jay Harris
26 Posted 13/07/2015 at 23:23:11
With Ossie, Barry, Gibson and Pienaar showing their age now it is essential we get a top class MF player in ASAP.

We lost Fellaini and his goals and brought a replacement for half his value who rarely gets near the opposing box.

Ross has not developed and shown his undoubted ability and Cleverly is an average player.

Only Mirallas and Naismith (when he plays) are a regular goal threat.

IMO we currently have the worst MF at GP than at any period over the last 10 years.

Just passing the ball around to each other is not an option. It needs to go in the net occasionally.

Chris Jones
27 Posted 13/07/2015 at 23:50:34
A No 10 with a quick brain and feet to match is top priority, followed by an experienced CB who still has something to prove. Vidic has the right attitude, Vlaar the experience and as for Evans, well something to prove anyway. I don't see Sergi Roberto as a No 10 and have a worry that Cleverley is destined for that role.

If those two positions are covered, a forward who can operate on the left would be next on my wish-list. Although Mirallas can play there, he can't cross with his left foot and is a bit predictable with that cutting-in and shooting off his right move.

I know it's only mid-July, but I am getting a wee bit worried now. It's all gone a bit quiet.

Bobby Thomas
29 Posted 14/07/2015 at 00:17:08
We have, some say, a 㿊 million luxury up top who could quite easily facilitate squad rebuilding and help resolve this unbalanced squad.

Martinez has signed 2 main strikers: Kone who was 29 for ٤ million and he blew his stack on Rom. Both signings showed a fundamental mis-understanding of how transfer policy needs to be conducted at Everton.

Any player, but especially a striker, needs to be under 26 so they hold value. Kone was dead money straight away at that age even before the terrible injury he's had. With an ageing squad, the Fellaini windfall was probably mis-used. Rom was too steep for us as things stand.

I think its fair to say we could have found a striker who could have netted with the same frequency for about 㾻 million and got one other quality player in. A Pienaar replacement and a centre-back is paramount.

The Barry signing... jesus wept. Nothing has changed in midfield really and it still looks wrong. Two 34-year-olds to provide the craft and balance. It's no good.

Personally, I'm hoping Rom has a stormer and some fucker pays an inflated Premier League fee for him so he can fuck off to somewhere that fits his ego.

Victor Yu
30 Posted 14/07/2015 at 05:24:16
Lukaku's price was about right. If Sterling can go for 㿝M, then I think we can get at least 㿔M for Rom if we are selling him.
Darren Hind
31 Posted 14/07/2015 at 06:08:32
Ray Fox

You can't have it all ways. You guys want to bleat about our immediate rivals, clubs like Spurs and Liverpool being able to spend millions more than us, but you never want to talk about the money they generate from sales of players like Bale or Suarez.

As soon as the focus comes on Martinez you are desperate to make it all about "net spend".

Dress it up anyway you want. Martinez has already spent around 㿨M, probably even more if you take loan fees into consideration. Suggestions that smaller clubs have spent more simply aren't true.

I'll be amazed if, by the end of this this window, he hasn't spent north of 㿲M... That's in two years.

Steve Cotton
32 Posted 14/07/2015 at 07:39:23
Jim Kightley 'I don't think we should be looking for a striker'

We have Lukaku, Kone and Naismith

Our rivals from across the park have

Borini, Ings, Origi, Lambert, Balotelli, Sturridge, Firminho and Lallana

So which team is more likely to be able to change things around if one of their strikers is injured or out of sorts?

Kevin Tully
33 Posted 14/07/2015 at 08:47:14
Darren (#31), you often quote how much Martinez has spent since his arrival. Even if we dismiss his net spend (which is of course relevant, didn't we swop Fellaini for Lukaku?)

The fact remains, the figures you use are now the norm in the Premier League. Even the likes of Hull

Andy Crooks
34 Posted 14/07/2015 at 08:48:18
Steve, there are some overrated duds among that lot.
Kevin Tully
36 Posted 14/07/2015 at 08:57:43
Steve Cotton
37 Posted 14/07/2015 at 09:14:22
Andy you are completely right, mate; Kone and Naismith.
Aidy Dews
39 Posted 14/07/2015 at 09:56:09
Jay Harris, how hasn't the debt been reduced? Last summer it went from 㿔m plus down to just over 㿀m! It was even put on the official site when it showed how much of a profit we made etc!

Anyhow, the statistics in black and white don't lie if you look at what we've spent before sales in last 2-3 years. It just shows you how much of the new TV money got put up for transfers. We could only do the Lukaku deal due to the sales of Fellaini, Jelavic

Philip Yensen
40 Posted 14/07/2015 at 07:26:54
There is a player that seems to be forgotten here: Naismith. I know there will be tumultuous eyebrows raised, but the man scored some clever, vital and brave goals.

Bear in mind that he was stopgap in many positions, his effort was second-to-none. Give him the No 10 shirt in and around Lukaku, feed them the early ball and let it develop. The things they have is fair bit of pace, ability to score goals given the correct service, stamina and sack loads of heart. Minuses, ball control of both players and lack of height but both are good in the air.

There are some great midfield partnerships in the Premier League but not all have been manufactured or divised. Most just knitted together through injury or form. It's a settled midfield that does the business. We can put all the top names on the park but if they don't knit, defencewise... oh to find a young Distin.

Jags is at full pelt most games to keep the back four as solid as possible. Stones is a work in progress and sometimes needs a kick up the arse to wake him up, as does Coleman and Baines. We still need a central defender that is dominant in the air, just look at the aerial goals we conceded .

Basically I think we need cover and a change of pace to our game and if RM is staying, to change his style as he asked the players to do last season (which obviously didn't work).

Steve Cotton
41 Posted 14/07/2015 at 12:27:29
If we don't have the money to buy then why not take Vlaar and Sako from Wolves both free.

Surely they would be better than blowing money on some unproved players? Also, if they don't work out, we should be able to recoup their wages in small transfer fees after 12 months.

Denis Richardson
42 Posted 14/07/2015 at 12:31:39
Aidy (#39), the 'net debt' has come down but we did not reduce the actual debt. It's a slick turn of phrase the club used as what they said was techincally correct but easily confused to mean something else.

Basically it's like owing the bank say ٟ,000 and having nothing else. You're debt to the bank is ٟ,000 and your net debt is also ٟ,000 (ie, ٟ,000 less ٞ).

Now your Gran gives you say 𧷤. You put this 𧷤 under your pillow. You still have debt of ٟ,000 that you owe the bank but your own net debt position is now 𧽴, ie, you have NOT paid off any debt owed to the bank but your own overall financial position has improved. See the difference?

The amount of debt the club owes did not go down year on year, in fact it actually went up significantly, from 䀆M in 2013 to 𧴣M in 2014. But we have more cash and debtors hence the overall financial position looks better. But we have yet to reduce the actual debt we have, despite the player sales and extra TV money.

The 2015 accounts may look different admittedly but we'll have to wait a few more months before we see these.

Michael Kenrick
43 Posted 14/07/2015 at 16:12:44
Denis, thanks for explaining that so clearly. The sleight of hand seems to have fooled many, so it bears repeating that the real debt has indeed gone up, not down, last year.

In fact that increase is nearly 19%, which is a huge amount that has largely gone under the radar.

Jim Lloyd
44 Posted 14/07/2015 at 18:40:28
Bloody hell! Thanks indeed, Dennis.

So does that mean the club owes somebody/somebodies getting on for 𧴦 million!!! No wonder we can't build anything, we can't build a dog kennel!

I suppose all clubs have debts and Man Utd's is probably massive. But is it because they have so much success and sell so much merchandise and have full grounds, they can carry the debt?

High finance baffles me but what you've just put down clearly shows we're in a bit of a mess... I think!

Raymond Fox
46 Posted 14/07/2015 at 19:02:21
Darren 31, have a look at Kevin's posts 33 and 36. If you can't understand that, I give up!

Our managers who ever they may be, (Martinez at this time) are asked to be successful on the cheap.

With the amount of transfer money spent on players, I reckon this club does remarkably well in the Premier League.

Peter McHugh
47 Posted 14/07/2015 at 19:55:46
Kevin Tully 36 - thanks for that. I didn't realise that we spent so little. Given the fees we generate in sales that is very low and we do seem to punch above our weight although I suspect we pay wages of a top ten club

Darren Hind
48 Posted 14/07/2015 at 20:02:10
I understand Kevin's posts better than you do Raymond.

He puts up a chart listing the net spends over the past 5 years. Martinez has only been here for two of them and he has spent twice as much as Moyes did in the previous three.

Contrary to the claims you guys repeatedly make, Martinez is not being outspent by a hole host of smaller clubs.

He inherited a better team than any of the others outside the rich six, spent 㿨M and has taken us backwards... Do you actually understand that?

Raymond Fox
49 Posted 14/07/2015 at 20:19:14
Darren, he's spent in the region of 㿨m yes, but he's sold players for approx. 㿔m, so he's without the services of 㿔m worth of players is he not. You understand okay, I know, but you only quote the figures that suit your argument.

You don't rate Martinez, I do, so time will tell who's judgement is correct. You may well turn out to be right about Roberto, but I hope not!

Paul Tran
50 Posted 14/07/2015 at 20:43:22
Darren, your last paragraph is spot on, despite your figures being unnecessarily one-sided.

Can I hire you as my accountant? You never include incoming money in your figures. I'd never pay any tax again!

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 14/07/2015 at 21:05:02
After reading what Dennis, has just told us, the only thing I can think of is "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR"
Denis Richardson
52 Posted 14/07/2015 at 20:56:18
Jin 44 - debt is not necessarily a bad thing (many people have a mortgage, car loan, etc..), main thing is that you can pay the interest and also pay the debt off at some point (having hopefully used the money borrowed for something positive) and the payments don't cause you any issues. Most clubs have some debt.

Although our overall debt went up last year, we do have more cash/assets thanks to Mr Sky, so overall we're in a much better shape financially than a year or two ago. It's the 'net debt' phrase that can be confusing as it's just accounting jargon. Elstone was just talking about the club being in a better financial position as opposed to any specific debt reduction.

Bottom line is we should have had the cash available to pay down some of the debt but we didn't last year (for whatever reason). It will be interesting to see if any is paid down this year.

Darren Hind
53 Posted 14/07/2015 at 20:51:25
You guys do make me laugh

When managers have to sell players they have relied on or who have carried their teams (Bale, Suarez) it usually leaves a huge gaping hole because they are irreplaceable.

To try to suggest Martinez has recouped a lot of the money he has spent by wheeling and dealing is cringeworthy. Fellaini was sold because he wanted to go and because a desperate man made our board a ridiculous offer for him. He wasn't somebody Martinez had signed, somebody who had been part of his grand plan. He hadn't played enough for him to be considered a loss... but you guys want to give him the credit for the sale? Like he could have stopped it?

Fellaini amounted to little more than a windfall for Martinez. We all knew he was going before the Spaniard even got here. He contributed nothing to bringing in Fellaini and given the offer, it would be naïve in the extreme to think he could have stopped the sale.

It's not Martinez I dislike Ray, its the claims made by his acolytes I have a problem with.

Paul Tran
54 Posted 14/07/2015 at 21:57:45
Darren, when you put it that way, your argument makes sense. I doff my cap and look forward to the next argument.
Bobby Thomas
55 Posted 15/07/2015 at 01:06:14
Victor Yu #30

My point is the price wasn't right for us.

Eric Myles
56 Posted 15/07/2015 at 16:35:11
MK #43, you need to put a permanent link to Denis's post @42. I've been beating the same drum for years but nobody listens and we need a quick link as a reminder.
Colin Glassar
57 Posted 15/07/2015 at 18:44:40
Martinez says today that McCarthy isn't for sale, full stop. The (Manchester) Daily Mirror, acting as mouthpiece for their two Manchester clubs, immediately publish (online) that Everton are refusing to give Manchester City target, McCarthy, a new improved contract!!

Just another example of how the media want to establish the transfer agenda.

Ross Edwards
58 Posted 15/07/2015 at 18:53:11
The Mirror’s crusade to have James McCarthy sold goes on – they’re getting desperate now.
Colin Glassar
59 Posted 15/07/2015 at 20:30:40
Desperate and rather pathetic, Ross. They seem determined to get their Manchester lovies another home grown player to sit on the bench. Now if Man City offer 㿊m.......
Ross Edwards
60 Posted 16/07/2015 at 00:27:27
㿊m and they can have him Colin... 㿅m plus Dzeko or Jovetic and I'd definitely take it.

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