Holgate’s Baggies loan ends with penalty anguish

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Mason Holgate's loan at West Bromwich Albion finished in disappointment this evening as the Baggies' promotion push came to an end in a penalty shootout defeat to Aston Villa.

The Everton defender has spent the season on loan at the Hawthorns and West Brom looked as though they would have a good chance of going through to the playoffs final having scored an away goal at Villa Park last week.

The home side were reduced to 10 men when Chris Brent was sent off with 10 minutes remaining in the second half of normal time, however, and had to battle through extra time to keep Villa from scoring.

That forced a shootout but, unfortunately, when Holgate stepped up to take West Brom's first penalty, he was foiled by Jed Steer as was Hegazi which left Villa leading 3-0 at one stage.

Albert Adoma's miss briefly gave West Brom hope but Tammy Abraham sealed it by converting Villa's fifth setting up a clash with Leeds or Derby at Wembley to see which club secures a coveted return to the Premier League.

Holgate will now return to Everton where he will try and convince Marco Silar that he is worthy of first-team consideration with the Blues next season.

 

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Mike Gaynes
1 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:37:47
WBA have just gone down to Villa on pens in the Championship promotion playoffs. Holgate was outstanding, helping keep WBA alive after going down to ten men. But he missed the first pen of the shootout.
Rob Halligan
2 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:41:04
Missed his penalty, Mike. And West Brom miss their second.
Steve Ferns
3 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:42:00
Yeah, Mike. He didn't deserve that. At least he had the bottle to take one.

What would you do with him next season? Right-back or centre-back? Keep or sell?

Rob Halligan
4 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:46:17
The last player to score a pen for West Brom, other than Jay Rodriguez, was Nacer Chadli over three years ago, and Rodriguez is not on the pitch. Not surprised they lost on pens.

Mike Jones
5 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:49:59
Mason Holgate missed because he is cursed by being one of us.
Rob Halligan
6 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:52:11
That's what the commentators said before the penalties started, Mike. Obviously West Brom would have practiced pens but there's a hell of a difference between taking pens on the training pitch and taking them in a penalty shootout for a place at Wembley.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

7 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:52:11
Cruel on Mason. He played very well. Very much looks the part.

Wasn't that all of the Baggie's back four taking their first four pens? Where were the forwards and midfielders?

Derek Knox
8 Posted 14/05/2019 at 22:54:34
Felt a bit for Mason there, as Rob said he played well all night, I was a bit surprised he was the first penalty taker, he showed genuine emotion at the end there. I'm with keeping him as cover for right back. Just don't let him take penalties if we get one and he's on the pitch.
Neil Wood
9 Posted 14/05/2019 at 23:22:35
Mason, for me, has the potential to be far better than Stones is/was. I have always held him in great regard and feel he should definitely be with the first team next season.
Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 15/05/2019 at 00:14:01
Steve #3, definite keep for me. Given the clear improvement in his once-horrendous passing and crossing, he can challenge Seamus at RB next season. Tremendous pace, presence and tackling ability.

I also happen to think he has shown himself a decent CB, but obviously Silva doesn't rate him there.

Your thoughts?

Dennis Stevens
11 Posted 15/05/2019 at 01:12:03
Was it Holgate's throw-in that set up Throstle's goal?
David Ellis
12 Posted 15/05/2019 at 03:22:00
He's a centre back for me all day long. Was out muscled early on in the season (against Southampton or Huddersfield) and with Zouma and Keane both being fit he just fell down the pecking order thereafter. I'd have him back in the squad though if either Jags or Zouma depart
Steve Brown
13 Posted 15/05/2019 at 03:35:47
I have always felt he is a better in his defensive duties than Stones. Although he is not as polished in the ball, he is comfortable in possession as you need to be playing right back. He will fill out as well and he is quite spiky and tough mentally. A definite keep for next season and he will have learned a huge amount from playing all season in the championship.
John Audsley
14 Posted 15/05/2019 at 08:20:15
I think he has huge potential, he likes to give it to the opposition as well which is completely alien to the other players at EFC currently. This season will have given him alot of experience and while that penalty miss will crush him at least he had the nerve to stand up and take it. Welcome back Mason and I hope Silva sees that you can be a player for us next year.
Hugh Jenkins
15 Posted 15/05/2019 at 08:27:55
When many EFC fan sites were going into meltdown over the sale of Stones, I said that perhaps the powers that be within the club knew that coming up we had an even better prospect in young Mason Holgate.

Hopefully, on his return from loan, he will prove me right.

Gary Edwards
16 Posted 15/05/2019 at 08:53:18
Holgate is a decent player, a good footballer. I saw his first game for the U23s and was impressed by how comfortable he was on the ball, he's got skills.

I thought that he was developing some attitude issues shortly before going on loan, hopefully I was wrong or that he's resolved any issues he had. I think we should keep him as cover at RB/CB.

Trevor Peers
17 Posted 15/05/2019 at 09:17:52
Don't see it with Holgate, he lacks confidence, isn't that intelligent when in possession of the ball and is prone to making errors at vital times.

We have to set our sights higher, having a player like Zouma is were we should be, if we can't sign him we must find someone similar.

Sam Hoare
18 Posted 15/05/2019 at 10:14:41
If he's going to be a CB then he needs to have a season when he starts 25-35 games in that position. Pronto. I don't see any chance of that being the case for him at Everton next year. Perhaps if we'd made Europa he could have used those matches.

It's a shame that WBA did not play him at CB though maybe Silva will see him as back up for Coleman after a decent showing in the Championship at RB.

Tony Everan
19 Posted 15/05/2019 at 10:49:41
Mason played well overall and I think he has come on a bit for his loan spell. I am more optimistic than I was that he can make it with us as a CB in the not too distant future.

He has toughened up a bit and was disciplined in his role of RB against the tricky winger El Ghazi. I would say he needs more experience and physical development , maybe another 12m loan deal with WBA. I would want him to be loaned out with guarantees to play as a CB not a RB and get the experience in his best and natural position. If that means joining a different club, so be it.

James Flynn
20 Posted 15/05/2019 at 13:43:25
His praises were sung by the WBA manager since his arrival there in january. Stuck him straight into the side and left him there. At left back. When the manager switch to 3 at the back, Mason was pushed up the right flank and kept in the side.

I'd say his loan did for him what Zouma's did for Zouma; played continuously and improved his game. I agree with the comment above that Holgate should be pushing for Coleman's spot this pre-season.

I'd also say that this season did more for him than it did for Kenny. How about we send Kenny out for regular minutes this time instead of sitting and watching yet again?

Steve Ferns
21 Posted 15/05/2019 at 14:53:00
Mike, I think Silva gave Holgate a go. It was not a prolonged period, but he saw enough that when the bigger names came back, Mason was out of the side, then off on loan. I had hoped he would cement a place at centre-back and come back to us ready to fight for a centre-back slot. Instead, he comes back as a right-back.

As a right-back, he lacks the quality in the final third so not good enough for us in a Silva side. As a centre-back, he lacks the physicality. It's a tough one as I think there is a quality player there and he needs polishing not binning.

Jay Harris
22 Posted 15/05/2019 at 15:31:07
I see Holgate more in the Kyle Walker mould. Not really physical enough to be a CB but athletic enough to get up and down the pitch.

His crossing seems to have improved with West Brom and I would consider him more of a RB although I think Jonjoe is potentially the better RB.

John Pierce
23 Posted 15/05/2019 at 16:00:25
Something will not be right if Holgate is retained. The recruitment will have been bungled or an injury has given him a reprieve.

He’s caught between two stools neither good enough at full back or centre half. Look Silva needs his full-backs to live in the opposition half, they are fundamentally an attacking piece. His passing range and crossing are not anywhere close to the standard we need. He’s a defender at heart and tends to look infield and back for his safe pass, a touch of the ‘Hibberts I’m afraid.

As a centre half why would he oust any of our current picks?! If we don’t land a centre back he may stay.

His best performances for me are in a three where his assets are definitely enhanced. In a modern three it needs mobility down the side and pace to recover, and his physicality is fine with support. That fits him to a tee.

He was so sound away at City when Dom scores, even though his one error led to the equalizer late on a superb performance, I think in a three. But I think he’s missed the boat, sell him to WBA and get some money.

Kevin Prytherch
24 Posted 15/05/2019 at 16:28:31
How old’s Holgate? 22?

Very young to be writing off a centre back. But that’s what we do here at Everton.

I hear that Ellis Simms has made the England U18 squad. I tell you now, if he doesn’t score a hatrick on his debut then we might as well get what we can for him. He’ll never make it.

Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 15/05/2019 at 16:40:03
Steve #21,

"As a right-back, he lacks the quality in the final third so not good enough for us in a Silva side."

Five months ago I would have heartily agreed with you. Worst passing RB I had ever seen in his appearances there. But under Moore he showed significant improvement, assisted on several goals. Cross for the gamewinner against QPR in February was a beauty. The game the other day was only the third time I've seen him this year, but he showed touch and accuracy on a couple of passes.

He'll never be Azpilicueta, but I expect Silva will give him a good look-see in the summer. He's only 22 and has shown he can up his game. Just might be good enough. He's sure as hell a better defender than JJK could ever dream of being.

John Pierce
26 Posted 15/05/2019 at 17:25:03
Kevin, that’s what we do at Everton? The lads not good enough for what we need, keeping him and then binning him off is far more unfair to him.
Has he improved at WBA? Maybe, but championship level is sorely below the premier league. A loan if there was one should be to a premier league club or top flight European league. Dowell has suffered the same fate, and for my money not improved, as such should be moved on too.

It’s so rare an excellent prospect comes through and becomes the mainstay of a team. The odds are so small, I’d say if they are truly that good then most, not all, would already be good enough at that age.

It’s not a case of writing off a young player, it’s a case of writing a player who’s not good enough who happens to be young, there is a difference.

If he is really good enough he should be able to take a starting spot, tell me who?

Justin Doone
27 Posted 16/05/2019 at 11:15:45
IMO he's still behind the current first team but if no Zouma, Jags or new loan / replacement then he's 3rd choice next season behind Keane & Mina. Neither of whome are top 6 quality yet.

He's got a lot of good qualities and his versatility as a RB or CB could be a good option on the bench. I see him more as a CB but only in a back 3 until he strengthens and improves.

But at his age he needs games to further develop. I'd gladly keep and loan him out for another season presuming we strengthen.

Not seen Pennington this season, how's he got on?

Kevin Prytherch
28 Posted 16/05/2019 at 13:19:15
John - centre backs

Here’s 4 who would never have made it at Everton using your philosophy (1 didn’t)

Harry Maguire - got sent out on loan to Wigan at 24.
Gary Cahill - got sent out on loan at Sheffield Utd at 22.
Michael Keane - 1st regular premier league season at 23.
Shane Duffy - 1st regular premier league season at 25, 1st regular championship season at 23.

Going off your “bin then if they’re not first teamers early”...

Eric Dier - let go at 18 (or not signed following loan), England international 3 years later
Mustafi - let go at 20, German international at 22.

If Holgate isn’t a regular by 24, then we let him go.

Annika Herbert
29 Posted 16/05/2019 at 23:17:55
Kevin @28,

I am with you; far too early to write the lad off. How these people make these statements about him not being good enough, I will never know!

How does anyone pass judgement on a player they haven't seen perform week-in,& week-out?

John Pierce
30 Posted 17/05/2019 at 00:18:18
Kevin, it’s a choice as a club we should make. It’s not romantic but the reality is those you cite are a tiny fraction of those who didn’t make it.

I’d also suggest none of that list save for Keane and maybe Maguire would get in the Everton team regularly. Mustafi! 😳

Holgate will not progress whilst at Everton, the current batch of centre backs leaves only a tiny pathway to the first team. Far better for him to be sold with a buy back clause if, a big if imo, he makes progress.

He has been in a first team squad for a number of seasons, 2/3/4 even! The lad will want to play first team football, that simply won’t happen at Everton if we reach the places we want to go.

It really comes down to how good he currently is, and sorry for me extremely unlikely to oust a first teamer, is age is not relevant.

Dean Johnson
31 Posted 17/05/2019 at 13:10:35
I watched about 3 west brom games this season with Mason playing and quite frankly, I don't know how he gets a game.

Topped off by that free kick "delivery" towards the end of the play-off that went into row Z.

All I've seen him do is make lots of mistakes, poor passing and get involved in scuffles.

People genuinely think he's better than Stones? Get real

Raymond Fox
32 Posted 17/05/2019 at 13:54:14
Players coming through our youth system, unless they are truly exceptional stand more chance of success by being at a less ambitious club.
If our manager has a poor/bad run of results the cry soon comes for him to be sacked, would you be picking untried young players instead of experienced ones who cost many millions, the risk to their job is much greater.
I cant say I blame managers or that their nessisarily wrong, but I do think talent is undoubtedly wasted by short- termism at a club such as ours.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

33 Posted 17/05/2019 at 13:55:17
Dean...I've also watched a few WBA games this season and Holgate was excellent in all of them.

Opinions, eh?

I do agree he cannot be placed in the same bracket as Stones, though.

Rob Halligan
34 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:33:36
Just watched another play off full of drama between Charlton and Doncaster. Charlton through to Wembley after winning 5-4 on penalties. They will face Sunderland, bringing back memories of probably the greatest play off final ever, when after the game finished 4-4, Charlton won on penalties 7-6, I think, to earn their place in the premier league.
Rob Halligan
35 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:34:53
Sorry, it was 4-3 on penalties tonight for Charlton.
Steve Ferns
36 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:43:25
Some good teams going up Rob. Sunderland and Charlton are too big for the third tier.

Coming into the prem are Norwich, Sheff united and derby or villa. All prestigious clubs. I hope villa come up. I always liked going to villa park and I have a soft spot for villa and it’d mean the most played fixture in English football restarts.

John Pierce
37 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:43:27
A touch of the Mendonca’s Rob.
Rob Halligan
38 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:52:22
Like wise Steve. Always love going to villa park. We started to get a few good results down there before they were finally relegated. One game in particular when we won 3-1. Cahill scored and I think Osman scored the third, but can't remember who scored the other, might have been Osman himself, scoring two. Another memory down there was an unbelievable penalty save by Tim Howard.
Dean Johnson
39 Posted 20/05/2019 at 16:12:17
@Jay

Yeah, fair. I just don't trust hyperbole. People will say that he's done brilliantly and he has to get a game at Everton but what I think is that we need to consolidate what we consider as "doing well" – especially at Everton, this has been a metaphor for "shite" in the past. :-)

When I've seen him play, it's been at right back, and he's never played well there, even for us. If you've seen him play at centre back and he's done well then fair play coz that is his best position

I absolutely stand by my proclamation that he is in no way better than Stones though.

Phil Lewis
40 Posted 21/05/2019 at 11:05:19
It makes perfect sense to retain Holgate. He showed great early promise, then for a variety of reasons slipped down the pecking order. His loan at West Bromwich will have boosted his confidence and furthered his all round progress.
Make no mistake, Holgate has a football brain. He is a talented, skillful player.
He is only 22 years old. It takes time for central defenders to mature. Van Dyke is a perfect example. If we sell Holgate, we will undoubtedly regret it in years to come

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