VAR saves off-colour Blues after Richarlison madness

Redemption awaits!

It's all about attitude – the ballsiest team will win!

Although at 3/1, I'm having some of that.

I think Calvert-Lewin will make all the difference due to his physical stature which will cause problems for their defense that they are not used to.

3-1 to the mighty blues!

We now have strong tacklers who won't be standing back looking admiringly at the opposition. I'm bloody nervous & excited & hoping that this will be our day...

Keep our composure and put our chances away and we will win this, but we will have to play a near perfect game, with no passengers.

What has proven to be a very good Spurs outfit barely got a kick or a chance against us. Immediately in that game we saw the pattern of play that has stood us in good stead for all 7 wins this season.

Solid back line. Both full-backs supporting the attack well. Allan and Doucouré filling the gaps as Digne and Coleman steam forward. Gomes and James drawing teams to them then completely switching play to the opposite, more open flank. Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison on fire.

The opposition find it difficult to track and defend our rotating players, not knowing which line of attack we will go at them.

Go behind to WBA, Palace and Brighton draw level with us? No hands on hips, no looking sheepishly at the ground rather than look your team mates in the eye. Just pick the ball out of the net, place it on the centre spot...and twat them out of sight.

Liverpool is the team with the problems. They wobbled in the final third of last season, coughing up 2 goals v struggling West Ham, 3 to relegated Watford, 4 to Man City, 3 at home to Chelsea. Similar this season. 3 at home to newly promoted Leeds, 7 away to nearly-relegated Villa.

It takes a lot of drilling to have a defence operating smoothly. Klopp has had zero time to address that horror show at Villa. That day, Barkley and Grealish, in their first game together, totally bossed the playground. They were lucky it was only 7.

We have similar and better players to do the same.

It's time, Everton. It's time.

If our first 11 are all fully fit then we have no reason to fear them. In saying that, they have potentially their best 11 out apart from the Goalie, so it's going to be tough.

Now have it up on hesgoal which sometimes drops out and needs refreshing but ok.

UTFT

Liverpool looking strong today but we are better than what we've seen so far.

All to play for.

Lack of pace in midfield a concern. We can get something, but will have to buck up, quite lethargic and ponderous first half.

Michael Keane looks the only composed player on the ball. The rest are playing with a brain fog. James and Richy just not on it.

Poor control. Poor positioning. Poor passing. Poor challenges.

Allan and Doucoure are being given the run around in midfield. Sad that the long ball up to Dom is the most 'creative' we have been.

Hopefully, a good half-time headshake will see us improve after the break.

We need to.

Calamity Pickford got lucky on Van Dijk, very lucky... how long do we stick with this overweight joker?

So many of our players look half-asleep, the RS look there for the taking but our movement off the ball is poor again and so our passing is rank once more.

Gomes too slow, upgrade needed. Allan looks out of sorts, Richarlison too sadly.

Godfrey looks like a star in the making though, stood his ground and Henderson got it in the gob, happy days, love him already. Step up, Everton, wake up, believe and take all three points.

Pickford's challenge was a red card all the way. Rodriguez, Allan, Doucouré, Gomes all off the pace in the one game we needed them to perform.

Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.

Richarlison. I totally despair. How did he miss the header? Why did he dive in like that?

Maddening that we can't beat these shitheads... even when the ref and VAR are on our side for once!

That said, we also missed two excellent chances against one of the top sides in the world.

Keane, Digne and Calvert-Lewin stood out.

I'll take that, thank you very much.

Did we deserve to lose? – Maybe no!

Was the referee okay? – No, he was a one-sided heap of shite. So one-sided and stupid, he red carded Richarlison. Fuckwhit of a referee Michael Oliver!

A bit disappointed that we didn't really play our own game and looked a bit panicked in possession but give the others some credit – they make a lot of teams look poor.

Thought André had a dog of a day, right from the first minute. He lost the ball easily and then was weak in a challenge in the lead up to their goal. Gylfi undoubtedly comes in – at least we've got some depth there.

Richarlison no good on the day. Maybe traveling around the world doesn't help. Not sure about the foul yet – didn't look a red in real time but looked poor in slow motion.

Calvert-Lewin – no service and still scored a beauty.

Mina is Mina. Misplaced passes and a terrible clearance for the second goal. He's an obvious one to replace.

If he is replaced, I think we saw enough in Godfrey today. That was a horrible job he was given today and he did pretty well. Lots to like.

Overall, thank fuck that's over. Let's go again.

Much, much improved in the 2nd half. Much more confident on the ball. Much better with our passing and possession.

We were clearly the better side, creating genuine chances, when Salah scored against the run of play. It wasn't just down to Mina's poor clearance. There were missed challenges and poor closing down in the build up to that goal.

After missing a near tap-in, what a prodigious leap by Dom for his equalising header.

And after today, is anyone knocking VAR?

Pickford and Keane were my standouts today. I can see Sigurdsson usurping Gomes for a starting spot. Mario now has a selection conundrum anyway after Richarlison's totally unnecessary red card.

Frustrated we didn't break the abysmal winless streak today. Disappointed with some individual performances, but still encouraged that we came back twice from behind to gain a point.

Still unbeaten. Still top of the table. Still room for improvement.

We played poorly, still they couldn't beat us. Relax, the times they are a-changing! Couldn't happen to a nicer wanker than Henderson too!

Thought the ref was excellent too! Let's give it to 'em all week!!

Funny old game, footy! ... Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

As for the moaning of the RS, let's drink it in.

With Richarlison suspended, hopefully Bernard can get a look in... for a few games at least.

And definitely Godfrey over Mina in the next game against Southampton.

I mean Carlo of course.

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We got away with it. Van Dijk looked to take a couple of our lads out so justice was done for me.

And I haven't disliked an RS like Robertson for years. Scumbag.

This was a point gained!!! Enjoy the after-match moan-in.

I turned the TV off right away when they scored, but it looks like I had little faith and we got a precious point from one of the most powerful Dark Sides ever. It was pretty close call for an all-out all-night drinking session but, with the fairly good news, I'm going to concentrate on music.

I thought that Richarlison was hard done in getting sent off as he appeared to get a very slight touch on the ball and, as in the earlier case between Pickford and Van Dijk, it was a matter of both players moving towards the ball.

On the upside, we can improve so much more.

How many games is Richarlison out for now?

Richarlison definitely got the ball, but I'm sure the red was for catching him full on the shin with his studs in the follow-through.

Having said that, crocking that twat Van Dijk and them having a win plucked from their grasp by the width of an armpit hair at the death makes me smile!!

They will now be feeling how we've felt loads of times in this game... and that makes me smile too.

Unreasonable? Bitter? Childish? Guilty as charged!

VAR is ruining the game – Good!

That said, VAR froze after the ball was kicked, not as it was kicked. It's the reason that VAR is nowhere near as accurate as they think. Should be a margin of error but in this instance Mane was further offside than they made it look.

Just quietly, I think VAR got Pickford off the hook. Made great saves (including an unbelievable one from Matip) but two big calls went his way today.

Dodgy Malaysian stream.
Give up at 2-1. Hop back onto the Live Forum. 2-2.

Hop back onto stream. 3-2. Log off in disgust.

Check the result. 2-2 :)

Godfrey looked good! At least that's that over with. We didn't lose and they'll be bitter about not winning. So that feels like a win.

Onwards and upwards and hopefully Gomes can have better games.
Hope Seamus recovers soon but happy with Godfrey, very impressive.

Fuck em.

I've asked when the protest march is and if they are doing an online petition.

What goes around comes around...

The Red media seem livid at the luck we got but, for me, that makes it all the more sweet. It's hilarious. 😂

Now for the Rugby League Cup Final!

If we'd had Theo rather than him today, we'd have lost four-nil.

EVARTON!

Rodriguez's last set piece of the game was a bit of a let-down; I would have thought he'll put the ball in better.

Gomes's contributions in the game were poor; Sigurdsson would be challenging for a spot.

Richarlison's red card was needless, and it does mean that he'll be out of the next two games; hopefully we can see Bernard or Iwobi step up to the plate.

Godfrey looks like he'll do well, and put some pressure on Mina; Keane continues to do well.

It's good that Calvert-Lewin manages to keep his scoring streak; I thought he should have made better plays, eg, in the first half, to wait for his teammates so that he can lay the ball off to, rather than the tame shot. I reckon we need strikers to keep trying, though in tight games, chances are a premium.

The main thing I feel we have taken away from, is that we managed to get the point, even though we were below par.

The Carlo Revolution is well under way.

We played with ten men for 70 minutes and finished with 10 men because of Richarlison's stupidity, he had a poor game to go with it. Pickford kept us in the game but was at fault for their, ultimately, offside goal.

I think it was the worst we've played all season and the game proved we are still a couple of men short of being one of the contenders for league honours, but you can see we are getting there and Ben will help us get there.

I believe Klopp is doing his nut in the post-match interview.

Graham Poll and Don Hutchinson's goal.

Martin Atkinson and Jack Rodwell's red card.

Mark Clattenburg and Tony Hibbert red card, Kuyt's unpunished waist-high challenge on Neville, Carragher's foul on Lescott.

Stevie G's unpunished two-footed jump tackle into Gary Naismith.

I could go on.

I wonder if Klopp is familiar with the word 'schadenfreude'?

Obviously people are frustrated because there's this foreboding sense of "If not now, when?" But... we take the point and move on to next week. Still unbeaten, still top of the table. Take care of business against Southampton and we're cooking with gas again.

And I'll certainly take the VAR assist, but speaking objectively, it's encountering the same issues that the NFL did in the nascent days of instant replay. The point is to overturn egregious calls, not to comb through the footage frame-by-frame, trying to determine if a guy's elbow tip is a fraction of a millimeter offside. A little bit of common sense would go a long way in these matters.

This was a very big result for us, make no mistake. Occasions like today can reveal themselves as turning points, once the noise dies down and we look back on it.

We were off the pace first half, but improved in the second. I thought Micheal Keane was MotM, Dom continues to deliver and a quietly impressive debut from Godfrey.

RS were the better side. Pleased to see us come back twice. In previous seasons, we'd have collapsed.

Expecting a better performance next week.

No Van Dijk, dodgy goalkeeper and Calvert-Lewin on fire, the few times we did knock it in we scored and Richarlison hit the post.

But hey-ho – we gained a point and the neighbours were 'robbed' of all three – that sounds a familiar script to me but this time it's us that got the breaks and apparently good teams make their own luck, or at least that's what I've heard regularly and often from the other lot's fans over the years.

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I can't stop laughing. Robbed. Too good. Too funny. Make it stop. It hurts.

That was their game plan and it worked well in the first half, but Allan covered more the holes in the second.

Pickford made two or three class saves but he was lucky to be on the pitch after the mistimed lunge for the ball (which he missed but clattered Van Dijk). We created few chances but, when James gets it on his left, goodness its good. Calvert-Lewin made his goal look simple, Richarlison was unlucky to hit the post but made attackers tackle that earned him a straight red. Was it deserved? Probably.

Klopp was thoroughly pissed-off in his post-match interview, which I guess one cannot blame him for, but it's nice to see Karma still exists.

We didn't play as well as we could, but then we played as well as we were allowed. But we didn't give up, we could have won it and as for the VAR, how many times in the past 30 years have we seen the rub of the green go their way in the final minutes? The tide has turned, the devil's luck has run out.

I can't condone the two terrible challenges though. It's like when Funes Mori crocked Origi at their place. I don't want to see that from our players. Duncan was rough but he didn't go round doing leg-breakers. It gives them an excuse now to say our keeper shouldn't have been on the pitch. I'm all for getting into them aggressively but not with dangerous play.

It doesn't matter who the manager is, we still give far too many stupid fouls away in dangerous areas and invite pressure. Gomes was a liability today. Calvert-Lewin led the line well and scored a brilliantly worked goal. Godfrey impressed being thrown into it. I thought Keane looked composed again and was chuffed for the lad with his goal.

We can play better and rode our luck at times but we hung in there and showed some spirit. We'd have lost that 3 or 4 goals to 1 in the past.

I think there may be a moan about you don't play with your arms so they are excluded. That rule was changed on 22 June 1986.

As opposed to all of the horror decisions and non-decisions we've suffered at their hands from starry-eyed referees over the years.

So no, I don't feel even slightly bad about it.

Bizarre game, and hilarious that Liverpool get the goal disallowed. Even more so... the timing of it.

“Yeah your right, it wasn't offside.”
“VAR's a joke.”
“You're right again, you were robbed.”

Makes it all the more sweeter when you agree with them and they run out of steam!

It was a competitive game. We were never going to completely outplay them. I didn't feel negative during the game once we'd equalised and felt like we could grab another and win it.

I walked out of the pub when they got the disallowed 3rd... so as you can all imagine my elation with the VAR decision when I got home. This is definitely karma for all the ref decisions that have gone against us over the years.

Top player.

As others have mentioned, in order to win against an in-form Liverpool, most players need to have 8/10 games, but I thought Gomes was poor and Mina, Allan, Calvert-Lewin, Pickford, James, Richarlison were very patchy. Sigurdsson and Iwobi were anonymous when they came on.

Liverpool played some breathtaking football especially for the 1st 30 minutes of the 1st half, it was almost like they had 2 extra players on the pitch – every ball finding a player, every ball being passed and received at pace, players moving into space – it was mesmerising stuff, if you are a neutral, but made me a nervous wreck after we went down within 2 minutes. I feared a tonking, but credit to our guys, they stuck in and showed a lot of fight, which is very very encouraging. But this game clearly showed that we are a couple of quality players away from a Top 4 side.

We got lucky with VAR a couple of times but, as the RS were saying last year (in their usual patronising manner), it'll even up over the season!!

I've been one of several voices on here questioning whether Gomes deserves to be a starter in this new look Everton that Carlo is building. Today revealed what we sceptics have been saying for a while; too slow, too ponderous, too ill-disciplined, too easy to dispossess, too slow to sniff danger – and two or three long passes a match will never hide these deficiencies from anyone looking for a decent all-round midfielder. Yes, he got a bad injury, and yes, he seems like a wonderful fella, but on the pitch he is now a fairly obvious liability.

When it's time for Holgate and Godfrey to guard the back, it will be the “Holy Gate of God”!

'I think, Jay, that what today proved is that that VAR malarkey always favours the teams at the top of the table, fnar fnar!!'

Very droll, Brian, very droll - and sweet!

Lucky? Yes. Unlucky? Yes. We had chances to have won the game in Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison; they had a good goal disallowed and 2 great saves from Pickford who was lucky to stay on the pitch after a great challenge on Van Dijk (Not!).

We are starting to build a really good side but we still need that goal-scoring midfielder. As good as Gomes is, he offers absolute zero in terms of goal threat and never will. He needs to be replaced in my opinion as he is too slow.

Richarlison lets the team down again with a rash challenge. Will he ever learn? Maybe not. He needs a massive kick up the arse or it could be time to cash in on him as he can be too much of a liability. Nevertheless, we are still top and unbeaten. 23 games and counting, though. Unreal.

The offside rules out a penalty but I don't think it prevents the ref/ VAR punishing Pickford's reckless challenge. No way VAR should be giving that as an offside; they should really apply some common sense. Not that I'm complaining.

Our midfield needed to engage with their's much more man on man. Alcantara kept making mugs of us with those disguised passes but was afforded far too much time and space. Gomes just seemed to be forever in the wrong place on the pitch which affected him both offensively (resorting to playing straight balls down the flanks) and defensively.

There was some good stuff but the openness of the game was always going to suit them better.

I think Richarlison's red was due to a lot of frustration and some fatigue but he has to keep his discipline.

The result feels like a big bonus and we remain unbeaten. A good week on the training pitch and we can get back on track next game.

We're top of the table. There can be no complaints about that.

This continued with Mina when I joined. Liverpool dominated midfield and attacked at pace. Godfrey looked good and Keane was solid, taking the goal well. Rodriguez found it difficult to get on the ball and Allan was given special attention. Digne was excellent and Calvert-Lewin dominated to get that header in.

I thought that Everton were well-positioned to push on from that, but then came Richarlisons reckless challenge. Everton seemed to be defending too deep when down to 10. Mina's poor clearance eventually allowed Liverpool to find the net. Thank God for VAR, I just went offline after the goal and reverted to the Live forum when I got the good news.

I am glad of the draw. Everton are still in contention. Still have some weak players

It must have been very popular, though I haven't actually checked the replies.

I added another saying that, rather than feeling angry and hard-done-by, they should be happy with a point away to the league leaders.

I get the distinct feeling they're not.

Social media is going apeshit about it with outrage. Well, fuck them. It's about time we got the rub of the green. Hope they choke on their injustice.

Bitter and proud. 🤣

Let's face it, we have a good basis of a team with room for improvement. We rarely get the breaks, so I will always take good fortune when it comes our way.

Also, both of Liverpool's goals came from unneccesssary mistakes from our defense. Mina makes me anxious every time he gets the ball. For a tall guy, he certainly isn't tough enough.

We also gave the ball away far too easily, particularly Gomes. I thought Doucouré played well and, while Rodrigues was not as outstanding as he has been, he still showed class in avoiding tackles and passing.

As much as I would love to have won, we are still top of the league and will still be after the weekend. Back to our glittering form for our visit to Southamton. This game should give continued confidence. COYB.

Oh yeah... I've got them: Fuck off!

Crying reds are different though, because they always want it both ways, so surely that was a little tug on Richarlison, just before he headed against the post, and therefore a genuine penalty was robbed off us before all their drama?

I honestly feel cheated though because this is not the game I've always loved. Diving, cheating, players asking for cards, and although I feel sorry for the refs having to put up with all of the above. I also feel we will never get proper consistency, until the refs and the VAR men have to face the media and explain their decisions on a permanent and regular basis.

Even though it was offside, Pickford should have had his marching orders, we got away with that big time. And the goal at the end, like a lot of said, if that's the other way around, we are all fuming beyond belief.

I agree with most comments, Gomes was treading treacle. Even though we carved a few good chances of our own, I'm more than happy with the point and keeps us ticking.

We did look lost at times though and weren't allowed really to play our game. Too many long balls for me and we didn't put their dodgy defence under enough pressure.

There was never going to be a repeat of the Villa debacle, more the opposite. Let's take the point and move on, I'm sure most of us would've taken a point before the game.

I was impressed that we came back from behind – twice. That, for me, shows that we didn't "bottle it", as Barry claims. Add to that the fact that we brought Iwobi on for Doucoure in the last 15 minutes – that suggests Carlo didn't bottle it but was going for it.

And I thought Godfrey slotted well into, for him, an unusual position. He had one moment early on when a controlled and slightly mazy run up the wing hinted at what he might be like bringing the ball out of central defence when we need him there.

I was delighted with Godfrey, what an intimidating occasion to make your debut, but he was very very solid out there.

If Pickford was a cat, he used eight lives out there. Should have definitely walked for the lunge on Van Dijk, and the fuckwittery to let in the ultimately disallowed third was mind-boggling. Glad it didn't cost us today, but riding Pickford's luck will eventually cost us big time. I'm stunned it wasn't today.

Richarliosn's tackle was dangerous and a defo red, thought he was awful for us today actually. A combination of being jaded and trying too hard, and he'd definitely seen the red mist when he walked.

Anyway, a thrilling derby and nice to rob them of a win for once! My MotM was Michael Keane, I thought he was brilliant for us today.

Top of the table, unbeaten all season, UTFT!

Gutted for the RS not getting any decisions today.

I never thought we were done when they scored. That's a huge sea change. The reaction of the red fraternity I had round told me they know we are a decent outfit. They were distraught at the end.

James involved in both goals again. Class.

Every game you can see the weaknesses. The goalkeeper and Mina are not good enough. Godfrey was good enough that I didn't even notice him.

Their tears, which I'm bathing in, are indeed salty.

I suppose, as Klippety has said, that was their best performance of the season, and for sure that was our worst, escaping with a very lucky draw was, in the end, a good result – in a way!

I did expect the RS to have a reaction to the Villa game and they certainly had that.

As for us, brush it off and move on to the next game.

"Everton fail to improve on their position in the table."

"Virgil van Dijk to be canonized after being assaulted by Worst Goalkeeper in History"...

Agree with all the praise for Godfrey. Did very well indeed in the most demanding circumstances.

Milliseconds make a difference and Van Dijk being offside made a difference in this instance.

They're probably feeling a bit unfortunate not to have picked up all 3 points. But sometimes when you're top you get those decisions.

Godfrey looks great.

Yes I too had massive problems with BT today. Subscribed to a £25 pm contract this morning and then spent up to 2pm trying to get on.

Eventually managed to cancel my contract AND have my £25 refunded – what a shower!!

Bring it on – funny how derbies are not quite as threatening as they used to be!!

Godfrey did very well! Although I'm worried Coleman and Kenny both out leaves no regular right-back.

Michael Keane is starting to look like a proper centre-half!

Richarlison out for 3 games... if Calvert-Lewin gets a knock, we are really short upfront. Will Simms come on the bench next week?

The South Americans looked jet-lagged to me but will get better next week. 7 points from next 3 games and we've got to be contenders?!

The major point I got from this game was we never let our heads drop after going a goal down but fought back twice. One of the turning points to me was Coleman going off. Although Godfrey played well, I thought Rodriguez never got the support that he receives from Coleman's runs up the line.

Our 3 South Americans seemed off their games and wonder whether it was the travelling? Allan also was not his dominant self and might still be carrying his injury.

Regarding Pickford's tackle, my question is who was supposed to be marking Van Dijk, that he got so free?

Play poor and don't loose against a team that never got their usual obligatory penalty, is better than playing poor and loosing. We are not going to play all season without loosing, so I will take this against a team that is supposed to be the best in Europe, and get my pleasure listening to the whining from those unbiased Liverpool pundits.

He then went down mimicking an injury, and Richarlison's jersey been pulled, when he headed against the post. The pundits on BT were totally biased.

Richarlison wasn't his busy self today, definitely jaded. Sigurdsson came on for Gomes, and never got a kick.

2. We showed good resilience to come back twice, Van Dijk deserved all he got for coming out all Billy Big Bollocks in the first minute. The VAR was hilarious and was, perhaps, 0.5% payback for the last 50 years, the kopites are fuming. We are top of the League.

I have a choice of which of the above I will take into this evening with a nice bottle of Chianti. I think I'll opt for the second.

This time, they did outplay us in the first half. But this season is different as, after this, we'll let this match go, and go on to the next game and keep the momentum hopefully after a blip in the first-half performance.

Whichever way you analyse this game just gone, we score goals and no team can feel at ease against us, even if any team against us has around 70% possession and have 25 shots at us... we score goals.

And that is a great thing we now know in terms of about how our season is going to pan out. We are clinical and always have a chance in any match.

Up the Toffees!

Gains us a lot of points over the season, no question. Back him to the hilt – he is good for us.

Though vastly improved, the midfield is lacking any pace. Where is Gordon? Gomes was appalling. I struggle to see him being a success. He looks like he's 47 rather than 27, and gives away many free-kicks in dangerous positions as a result. Slothesque.

It was blood and thunder. The way derbies are supposed to be. VAR was our friend today. Maybe next time it won't be.

I think we had too many jaded players after the international break. Especially the South America contingent. I thought Gomes was way off the pace after not playing for three weeks and wasn't helping Allan at all. He should have been subbed earlier for Sigurdsson or Delph.

Mina had a very poor game and was responsible for their 2nd goal with that feeble clearance. Richarlison was rightly sent off for that tackle and again looked jaded but I can't blame him for showing fight since that is what fans want from players.

On the positive side, Dom scored again. He leaps higher than a scalded cat. Pickford had a good game and a couple of his saves kept us in it. James was involved in both our goals and with a bit more luck we may have scored a third. Godfrey looked good when he came on. Especially since right-back isn't his prime position.

I think if we had played them before the break, we would have won but we were off the pace today. Not the best result but also not the worst. We are still top of the table and unbeaten and now we have a couple of winnable games coming up and hopefully we will have shaken off the effects of the international break.

Shame Richarlison will be missing but we have good cover in Iwobi, Bernard or Gordon so I'm not too concerned he will be missed that much. All-in-all, we are still on course for a top five or six finish and, since that is what we have set out to do, all is well.

Today was a result we would have never got they way we've played in derbies over the last 5-10 years. We never gave up, had real moments of quality but, for 80% of the time, couldn't cope with Liverpool's speed of passing, movement and inventiveness. Our midfield, particularly 1st half, weren't at the races, Gomes had one of those days when his lack of pace, his lack of speed from a still position meant he was completely overrun. Doucoure also went missing. Our 3 midfield struggled big time vs Henderson, Fabinho and Thiago and with Firminio dropping deep they just passed the way through us with ease.

Our two goals were down to our obvious strength in the air with two great leaps and credit Godfrey, Keane and Digne for defending well but Mina once again showed like Pickford that there's a regular mistake in there.

Richarlison just had a poor game, I think he's been used far too much with virtually 6 games for Everton and Brazil on top – Gordon should have got games in the League Trophy ahead of Richarlison, but hey ho he's got a 3-week break now for his reckless challenge.

Anyway great lucky point and let's hope we can show our talent against Southampton and Newcastle before we face another Top 4 team in Man Utd in 3 weeks.

As they attempt to manipulate the system and seize control of the league, preying on the needs of those less fortunate, smaller Clubs, that shower of shit got exactly what they deserve.

Karma is a bitch! Ha!

How many headed goals have we scored this season? It is quite unbelievable really. Tiny Tim in the studio was really proud of Dom's header for the 2nd equaliser.

Our midfield repeatedly gave away the ball so many times in very promising positions, and Carlo would be very disappointed with that. I actually think Davies should start over Gomes next week, he had a brilliant game against Brighton and he always looks to move the ball ahead with purpose.

Richarlison hasn't really got going this season in terms of turning opportunities into goals. But, by God, that guy's work rate is unbelievable! The stand-out moment for me was when he flicked the ball away from the onrushing Robertson inside the 6-yard box, which would have made a centre-back proud.

Too bad about his red card, but an opportunity for Bernard or Gordon or even Bolasie to show what they have. Iwobi frustrates the hell out of me – he had a good game against Brighton but he was pretty poor today, although he does run around a lot.

Absolute nonsense. If the scoreline said 4-2 – like it should have done – then maybe one or two would sit up and take notice.

But our continuing failure to beat the utter shite, and that we lost our 100% record in the process of a really disappointing performance, means the football word remains distinctly unrattled.

Still very annoyed.

In the shell of a nut.

Props to Michael for comment of the season at #35

“Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.”

What to say?

History for Everton, in that this fixture proves fate has rarely been kind to us. The RS moaning, well welcome to reality, great to see them so wound up.

Great too see Everton show the character to stick at it and not give up. Incredible luck today, hopefully an omen for this season.

It proved you can't make mistakes as you get punished and, for me today, I thought we were playing with 10 men, as most of the game Andres Gomes was a passenger. It's amazing the change since the infamous game 2 years ago at their place.

I want him to be a success but now I don't see how it will help the team by playing him. It seems the desire and timing has gone and each game he gives away soft free-kicks.

But we had some good chances and so we go again next week at Southampton, always a tough match.

Interesting to see who plays next week, I thought that Godfrey had a god game and he looks like a real all-around player.

So we didn't lose, we didn't play great, but in football that's a good habit to have. Bearing in mind we always seem to play worse after international breaks, today was a very good point.

Oh to hear and see the RS moaning... welcome to the real world and getting VAR go against you, we've had enough VAR, and spawny decisions vs the RS to last a lifetime.

All stay safe and well, and savour this weekend.

The TV screen offers only a limited view but it appeared Allan and Doucouré were over-worked with too much space around them and too often struggling to close down opponents who found it too easy to spray passes into wide positions near our penalty area.

We have conceded two goals in each of three home matches which suggests the manager has yet to find the right balance between attack and defence. He will need to do that if his team is to prevail against the stronger teams.

That said, it is entertaining to watch a team which always seems likely to create chances and score.

I couldn't fathom the tactics, Carlo is a better tactician than I am, but why give Liverpool room? Gomes was bordering on garbage from the kick-off.

Allan and Doucouré both were way below what we expect of them. I had, like most on previous performance, expected us to win this easily, but just goes to show you never can tell.

We are work in progress. Defensively still suspect. Lots of work to do here. I think we miss Holgate, the sooner he is back the better.

I acknowledge Pickford made a couple of great saves, but it's the bread and butter ones that are proving more costly.

Personally, next summer we need to recruit an accomplished keeper and need to look to move Pickford on, that for me is a priority.

We look a little pedestrian in the wide areas, still think we lack a little pace in these areas turning defence into attack. Another area we address next summer I think.

All-in-all, we can perhaps put this down as a blip and look to kick on again next week at Southampton.

To think that Gomes has totally outclassed the Liverpool midfield in the past, his performance today seems ridiculous in relation to what he's capable of.

If we hadn't suffered this obvious dip in form, particularly in midfield, we would likely have won comfortably.

As usual, a relatively poor performance leads to the usual comments on ToffeeWeb that we're still miles behind Liverpool, when in fact we're not. Liverpool were simply fortunate that we dipped compared with recent performances.

They cut through us like a knife through butter. We once again gave them to much respect, the space they had, they looked like scoring everyone they came forward.

Why are people happy with a draw, I want to beat this shower. I hate the derby... I might not watch the one at Anfield, no good for my health.

Yet we're held to a draw and come back twice after going behind. Would we have done that under Silva, Koeman etc.?

Can we take some positives from this?

He's become a very, very good player but that area of his game needs improvement for us to really benefit from the chances created by the team. In many games, he rolls a tame one at the keeper. It's merely the truth.

On reflection, good teams need luck to win the title. We got a shed load of luck today, we will need that to win the title. I think we can do it.

I know Richarlison has had a complete nightmare and we will miss him for 3 games. Unfortunately, they are 3 games when I think he'd do a lot of damage to the opposition. However, it will hopefully give Gordon or Iwobi, maybe even Nkounkou on the left, a chance to impress.

I genuinely think, if we can get through the next 3 games with 7 points, we will be up there at the start of December as our next 3 after that are Fulham, Leeds and Burnley.

December then sees us play Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal and Man City. Come New Year's Day, we will know exactly where we are looking to finish. I'm daring to dream that lady luck will be on our side this season for the first time since she abandoned us in 87-88.

We played poorly but I think, if we'd played them the week after they played Villa, we would have beaten them. Big issue with having half your team South American and playing 36 hours after they return from a 3-game international break the other side of the world.

We can do this.

Tough game away at Southampton next week. Jonjoe Kenny in at right-back, think Sigurdsson should replace Gomes and Iwobi start in Richarlison's absence. Possibly also consider starting Godfrey for Mina.

(I am talking about the officials...)

We already knew the limitations of these players. We're not perfect, we're not going to win every game. But we're still top, we're still unbeaten.

Calvert-Lewin is still at it. Godfrey looks a player. Gomes will have better days.

Why dwell on the ref, the red card, the VAR? As if we haven't been cheated enough over the years... A little rub of the green is nothing compared to the unfair advantage given to many others.

Next game now, please.

He's on 10, 11 goals for the season, 60% with his feet, and some can't give the lad due praise without a snide comment about his finishing.

Salah rolled 2 efforts to Pickford today exactly like you describe, every forward forever will miss chances, but it's about the ones that go in that count.

Hopefully Richarlison can regain his fitness while out. I'd also like to see Sigurdsson start over Gomes next week, he deserves it.

Kunai – pains me to say it but such actions are today widely considered part of a winning mentality.

The faithful have to realize that there were four new players in that Everton side today and it's remarkable how well they have jelled and got us to the top of the Premier League already.

We will only get better and will have to if we want to aspire to our neighbours, who are going to be hard to stop winning the Premier League again, such is their talent. Hard to stomach but that's how it is.

Then can we question why VAR didn't intervene when Robertson blatantly kicked Allan off the ball. There was no attempt to get the ball, the ball was nowhere near any of them, so therefore he struck an opponent – which is an instant red card. What Robertson did is equal in the eyes of the law to punching a player but it's not being mentioned.

They were given the upper hand in midfield and controlled the game. We have to learn to match these high-press teams, fire must meet fire... otherwise, we will lose.

Today, we got lucky, it felt good. Carlo, learn from past Everton trophy winners, choose players who win every ball in midfield. Gomes is a passenger.

Okay, somebody could, maybe should have been sent off. Like, how many times can you say that about a particular.game? Also, the VAR, whilst gutting for them, I'm sure the decision is not a 'mistake'. They will have followed their protocols, lined it up, and adjudged him offside according to their technology. Frustrating for them, but not 'lucky' for us. It was offside, that's it.

I thought we were the better side 2nd half, they definitely scored against the run of play and we were superb in getting it back again. The one crazy moment was the Richarlison red card. Maybe something happened before that we don't know about, he's never done something like that before.

Almost as bad though, was Van Dijk's deeply cynical foul on James in the first minute. He went out to put him out the game. Gobshite.

Pickford will be a Hall of Fame contender now...

Richarlison looked jaded today, the break will do him no harm, but I would have preferred one game, not three.

How excellent was Keane today? I'd start Davies next week, we lacked pace in midfield today.

The level of bias towards Klopp's Liverpool in the media is tangible. Today from BT Sport it was off the scale.

The Robertson incident, they didn't even replay it from what I can recall. Each pundit obsessed over the Pickford incident. But there was little mention of how Van Dijk set the tone of crippling players early doors.

The Dutch centre-back towers above Pickford and I'm sure Pickford had in the back of his mind those two factors when he went for the ball. (This guy is huge and he's throwing his weight about.)

Regardless, it was mistimed, reckless and quite poor. No card given, so move on.

The decisions helped us out a great deal. I'm finally willing to put to rest the 2007 Goodison derby. Hibbert red, Kuyt Kung-fu and Lescott penalty. If people thought today was ridiculous, then they should watch that game again.

A point at home to the champions when we really didn't play well.

Richarlison out, Gomes out of form, Mina not great today, no fit right back, no back-up forward.

Interesting couple of weeks for the manager.

Everyone else - don't over sympathise with the rs - remember this in 2002 - not even a red card

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Yeah, we are by no means a shoo-in but it looks pretty open this season and we've as good a shot as anyone.

Talk about being bitter blues! Amazing sense of entitlement when decisions don't go their way!! Would our fans have helped??

I think that's called Karma.

- Van Dijk getting his just deserts for going round trying to get our players injured

- Iwobi taking the piss with some tekkers;

- Calvert-Lewin scoring an outstanding header;

- Pickford having a good game - and Adrian flapping (Pickford would have been slaughtered for letting in the Keane header);

- Rodriguez being outrageously skillful;

- the team not losing its shit when we go a goal down.

Karma feels great. We didn't play too well but we are still unbeaten. In Carlo I trust. COYB.

They also tried to completely change the landscape of English football this week, that went well too, didn't it!

Gobshites.

According to The Athletic the incident WAS reviewed at the time and the conclusion was that no further action was required. I'm certain that Pickford will be retrospectively punished but to me that would be utterly wrong and won't do Everton any good despite those who want Jordan out of the team.

As for the media they'll be advocating that Everton get docked 13 points and give them over to their favourites. The truth is that our neighbours go out to disrupt and hurt their opponents nearly every match - why? because they are 'winners' and mainly because they don't get scrutinised in the same way as Everton or other less favoured clubs do.

I feel sorry for any of their players that have been injured but not for the club that has not one iota of class or dignity because it believes it deserves every decision that goes its way and woe betide anyone or anything that prevents them winning any given game.

We won't win the title, we may not even end up in the top six, but at least we know how to take disapointment on the chin, hopefully one day soon we'll show them how to win with class and humility.

There's a video of his deliberate trip half way down this article:

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"They" wouldn't lose any sleep over one of our major players being out injured. When you're a bully and you try to bully opposition players, sooner or later, you're gonna come unstuck.

Don't tut tut Pickford, don't decry him either. Van Dijk was big enough to dish it out, he should be big enough to accept that he's gonna get it back.

Difference between him and Pickford is that he's very clever in the dark art of fouling to hurt and Pickford is just a nutcase! I can't have much sympathy for someone who regularly tries to hurt others (which I firmly believe Van Dijk has done against us) when his actions come back to bite him in the arse.

That may make me a bad person but, to be honest, in this instance, I couldn't give a fuck. Sorry.

I made a mistake of listening to those giants of punditry, Savage and Sutton, on 606. Started with a truly inarticulate bluenose who was pleased 'Dick' (as he called him) van Dijk got clobbered. Followed by Mr Reasonable... a philosophical kopite... who accepted that things went in a circle, blah, blah.

So our team is a bunch of thugs and our fans knuckle scrapers in the eyes of the BBC.

Sod em!

I'm just about old enough to remember Bryan Hamilton's wrongly disallowed goal in the FA Cup semi-final in 1977, a day which began a litany of injustice we have suffered at the hands of that club.

So for once, I salute the presence of VAR and the inconsistencies of referees, for today they finally acted in our favour.

We'd have taken it and crumbled in the past. Not today. They got it back in double helpings. At least that's my take.

I'm not condoning foul play or injuries to players but, given what we've taken over the years, screw them.

Now listening to Savage and Shearer acting like a pair of crusty, old dear agony aunts at our nasty attitude.

It's making the first of my Harper's Golden Ales taste very nice indeed. A win is long over-due but I think a last-minute VAR- assisted winner for us at Anfield will taste even sweeter later in the season.

Not our best performance but my glass is half full (not for long, hic!) so I'll take the positives.

Here's to VAR!
Top of the table!

Bad tackle though it was, Jordan had no intention to hurt anyone. Richi's rush of blood occurred in the final minute, before then the only horrible act I saw was Van Dijk on James, minute 1.

And given that it was offside (them's the rules baby), they can stick their sense of injustice right in their hat.

Love it when you hear them kick about like babies.

When Suarez took out Mirallas, the media did not give a shit, so what goes around comes around.

Van Dijk was putting it about like the total twat and for me he had it coming. There was no intent from Pickford, he just knew that he would need to go in hard and he did.

Conjecture? Sensationalism? Let's see what the prognosis is officially.

Rest of the team put a shift in. Gomes is a serious weak link. I've never rated him. He gave the ball away far too much today.

What is of huge concern is the failure to sign another forward. There was no forward on the bench. If Calvert-Lewin gets injured then we are screwed.

A cynic might believe that to make the injury seem worse than it actually might be would result in Pickford being more likely to receive retrospective punishment? I hope it isn't as bad as has been reported but I also hope that the dark arts aren't being employed either.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the respectful and intellectual Mr Ancelloti will move onto the next game and work on beating Southampton, this game is of course now the most important on the agenda.

A touch of class and humility for all things Everton, we are fortunate indeed to have him.

They called us the bitters, having a good go at being the bitters themselves today, and for the next few weeks.

I watched us regularly in the mid-80s. If you watch the YouTube highlights or Twitter clips you'd be forgiven for thinking we were majestic in every game. We weren't. We often had to dig in, we'd be off the pace and then make something happen. We ground out so many wins. I sometimes wonder what ToffeeWeb would have been like on various occasions in that era.

We weren't at our best today, playing the champions who looked very impressive. We dug in, worked hard, equalised twice, hit the post. Yet we got a draw.

We won't play well every week. But we can can go toe to toe, show some resilience and drag out a scruffy result against a good side.

I loved being the side other fans grumbled about, the side about which people asked 'how did they get a result there?'

Thats what I liked about today. It augurs well for the rest of the season.

None can do sanctimonious indignation like the gobshites. Sentimental and poisonous.

When it's one of them, they put his name on their shirts.

Quite sweet to see the insufferable whingers shut down by screenshot after screenshot of dirty tackles committed by their players over the years.

Even though we didn't play as well as other games, it was still an improvement from the end of last season. We are not going to go all season without a defeat, so maybe having a couple of injuries and a suspension early in the season, it will see how well we will do with the backups.

The biggest change in the game today was the loss of Coleman, the new boy Godfrey done well, but as Rodriguez doesn't come back to help often, we missed Coleman's raids down the wing to assist.

We have solved some of the problems from last season but it will still need more improving, and as we are still not beaten in 8 games and top of the league, and after fighting back twice today, it shows me we have a better fighting spirit.

Maybe my memory is failing me but didn't Mirallas take out Suarez?

Tony - if anyone wants to see supporting media bullshit, I'd recommend MotD later.

Your memory is failing you. Suarez raked the back of Mirallas's Achilles and put him out for months.

Mirallas put a crunching tackle (a foul) in on Suarez in the next derby they both played in. Suarez carried on the match, if my memory serves me right.

Suarez raked his studs down Mirallas's Achilles on a day when Kevin was having a stormer. They don't like it up 'em. Even less when we do it. About time.

And let's stop all the whinging about 'the biased media'. Stuff them. I don't care what they think. I loved it when we were top of the league, getting grudging praise, being told it wouldn't last.

And I'm loving it now.

Mirallas did indeed get his own back on Suerez either the season or two afterwards.

Gomes is a weak link in games played at that pace; with hindsight, Davies may have been a better option.

Richarlison had an off day – he is normally our hardest working player by some distance; tiredness & travel kicked in, me thinks.

Keane & Digne very good.

Godfrey & Holgate, when fit, will both be ahead of Mina. Until Seamus, Kenny or Holgate is fit, Godfrey will play RB.

Little sympathy with Van Dijk – Pickford didn't intend to hurt him, but Van Dijk & Co tried early on to rough-house Rodriguez out of the game.

Richarlison was daft – probably deserved red – so did Robertson as per the rules – where was VAR? And the tug-back on Richarliosn when he hit the post.

We were lucky – long overdue! – overall, but still had other good chances to score. It starts to make up for the many injustices & bad decisions we've suffered against them.

We're a decent team but there's still room for improvement – top 6 looks very possible, top 4 not out of reach.

Gordon to fill in for Richarlison, maybe Bernard?

He wasn't so smug when he limped off 10 minutes later.

I'd never wish an injury on any player, but karma is a bitch.

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He was struggling so badly I'm surprised he was left on for 70 minutes. Very disappointing as he, initially, looked an outstanding buy and absolutely bossed the midfield in the Pickford derby.
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After the game, Klopp, talking about Salam's injury, he said “It doesn't look good”, same as he's saying about these two injuries today, let's wait and see how they turn out, I hope the two of them are okay. Klopp cries wolf quite a lot.

The Anfield one... and no more clues!!

Stand up to the bully, and they go running to the league with complaints. Retrospectively banning Pickford, will obviously result in something similar for Mane?

That phoney-Klopp, said it's our World Cup, but it's Liverpool FC, who are carrying on like the worlds just ended tonight!

Good teams get a result when they don't play so well, and for a relatively new team like Everton, who haven't trained as a proper unit for two weeks, lost their captain after 20 minutes, and fielded four players with less than twenty games in a blue shirt between them, then they didn't half fight, to stay in the game.

We were possibly on top when Salah made it 2-1, and this might have sunk a lot of lesser players, but Pickford pulled off a worldly, and then Lewin finished off a great move, so credit for the boys in blue for their spirit today, the song is rubbing off!

I wasn't aware that there was the facility to demand individual VAR decisions be reviewed retrospectively – but wait – this is the RS and they demand different rules be applied for them. A taster of what Big Picture has in store if it is allowed to succeed via Gary Neville's Plan B 'independent' replacement of the FA.

Strange that not one of them picked up Van Dijk's deliberate attempts to injure our players from the kick-off, Mane's deliberate trip and simulation or Robertson's carefully aimed full-blooded Kung Fu kick to try and smash Allan's knee off the ball.

Fuck them and their media arse lickers.

Christ knows, the Don Hutch, goal, when SW, made a hash, but the aka Geoff Nulty, Jimmy Case tackle in 1980, Gary Naismith got done in 2002, Kuyt, Mark Lawrenson's dodgy tackles, etc – you can write a book on the numerous bad decisions we've faced against them.

The BBC need to take stock of their so-called football experts, as not many were truly good players nor outstanding, but are so tunnel-visioned. Fuck them, we can ride the storms that will prevail and come out stronger.

Let's transcend any negativity from today and use it as a driver to do a special at St Mary's.

The RS, need to grow up and face the other side of the coin. Hopefully today the fortune cookie hoodoo they've held over us with spawny decisions is broken.

I hope they don't do any stunts this next week, with their paint gangs.

All enjoy this day!

Van Dijk going through James and Calvert-Lewin, not a word, Mane diving all day, and, as Chris #203 said, Mane should have got a 2nd yellow, Robertson should have got red.

Richarlison's jersey being pulled before he hit the post, not a word about it! As for BT today, McManaman totally biased, and Keown wouldn't even defend his former club (maybe he's bitter since Sheedy hit him a box).

I didn't think the redshite could go any lower than they were, but complaining to Premier League... sad club.

Shallow, and no style and no class.

MotD only shows, and focus's on the incidents that impacted the RS.

That programme, and the BBC, is in decline, and is well past an over view and needs a remake.

But let's use the negative, to be our positive! Fuck the press, the RS Echo – siege mentality, and EFC will adapt, endure and grow in stature this season.

They are taking the high moral on trying to recultivate the gravy chain, along with Man Utd, in the Premier League.

Forget the spirit of the Football League, trying to achieve a payoff scheme, and create an elitist plan that in theory, would run the game to a destruction. They don't know their history and ethics of football and business and don't have any class.

Six months ago, they were jibbing their own staff... when Covid-19 kicked off, and took a grip.

Enjoy this weekend, and savour what has been achieved.

There's loads of improvements to be done but, considering this time last year, it's been a bumpy road but I believe Everton is on the right course and progressing in the right direction.

Let's go for the win at Southampton, it's a game Everton can win.

There's no confirmation that it's a serious injury; at the moment, it's just Klopp stirring the pot. I don't usually wish serious injury on any player but the RS have form injuring our players so I'll make an exception in this case!

LFC simply need to grow up and stop behaving like spoilt dysfunctional children, especially after they've been guilty of repeated cynical actions on opposing players.

Fuck them!

Regarding the Mane offside he moves from an offside position as Thiago is receiving the ball, who then passes directly to him: is this not offside, even if he is behind the line or not?

Regarding Pickford, it was a rash, ill-timed tackle for a fifty-fifty ball, he scissors Van Dijk's leg with his legs – a penalty if no previous offside but not a red card.

We all know they go far beyond a Stevie G two-footed lunge!... Outraged at everything, ashamed of nothing.

Overriding feeling is relief. Feels like the curse has been lifted. Would have been nice to do it with a win but I'll take a draw in the circumstances.

We can get a bit if luck and a few decisions against that lot. We can play poorly and not lose. We can spend the few days after a derby quietly chuckling as our Red friends' heads fall off.

Can't wait to go to their place now. Finally we're on an equal footing.

Nice to know another club feel hard done by. We have suffered that for years. Everton being top doesn't sit well, apparently. Looks good from here. On to the next chapter!!

If you freeze that frame as the ball is kicked instead of afterwards (as they did) then he's probably a body width off. I called it offside in real time. VAR has been very tight recently using that approach (when the striker is running through) but this version gave Mane every single millimetre possible to be called onside - and he still wasn't. Objectively he was offside.

Pre VAR, the flag probably goes up and the game is stopped there and then with no controversy.

Has Gordon had a fall out with Carlo?

In terms of the VVD injury, I hope it's not a bad one - and not because of any potential repercussions for Pickford. Unlike others on here, I don't think Van Dijk's challenges today on James and DCL were anything other than robust, and they are exactly the sort of challenges we'd be defending if they'd been made by Keane or Mina. I don't think wishing serious injury on any footballer is a particularly good look, and celebrating it even less so. I hope to see VVD back playing for Liverpool very soon - and I sincerely hope that his team loses.

The difference is James. One swing of that left boot can change any game at any level.

We found two spells when their intensity relented. At 1-1 both Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison had golden chances.

However we never shrank from our task, we're fully committed and even though several players dipped the effort was there. Richarlison the case in point, his challenge underlined by a poor game laced with frustration.

The one huge concern is Pickford, we can all say well done for 2/3 very decent saves but he should have been sent off and his effort at the death Henderson's attempt was extremely poor.

He needs to be dropped and made to realize, he simply cannot be that error prone. I will be disappointed if he starts at Southampton.

The bottom line is we can live with better teams and hang in there. Godfrey was so adaptable I didn't even notice him. Mina still gives me the hebbie-gebbies.

He made 2 excellent saves. He sent Van Dijk to be on the mends for a good couple.of weeks.

The two goals was not his fault. The first was the defenders for allowing Mane to cross.

The second is Mina's.

For my money, Mina doesnt cut the mustard anymore. Time we replaced him

Wished we had brought over Duffy instead of Celtic. He is a much better CB than Mina.

I think Mina needs to.be on the sideline for a few months on the count of his injury that hasn't really healed.

And I reiterate.

BRING BAKRLEY AND LOOKMAN BACK TO GWALDYS STREET

Also please bring Jack Wilshere to Goodison. He is free now and we probably can sign him for a song

They do have short memories, however that may be because most have only been following Liverpool for the last 18 months since defecting from City.

They are absolutely seething, frothing at the mouth with their hatred and venom for us and asking for Karma (how ironic)

Well guess what ? Welcome to our fucking world

They know we have some real quality players and a top Manager with a team who will now get stuck in and fight and not lie down as we have done for so many years

That's what's also getting to them, we're hopefully on the way back up and not just plucky little Everton any more who they can pat on the head and patronise

Anywayhow!!! Seemed our tactical approach to today's game was not right. We started defensively, which is the wrong way with Liverpool and this allowed them to control the game from start to finish. Thank you VAR!!

What annoys me is the inevitable after match interview with the odious, repulsive Klopp, he really does take the biscuit, wanting the rules of the game changing after every point dropped. He's about as pleasant as a fart in an elevator.
He spoils every interview with his constant relentless moaning, they are a horrible club without any doubt.

Job done, onto the next match.

Oh, and by the way, does anyone remember this

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fans-aimed-a-disgusting-chant-at-evertons-seamus-coleman-119803

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7_dSolOSrQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3soM6nTpL_gLb-gPm6GNE9V3IFuhswpjGMvFptpG3vG-b86sLtJTN-QgQ

Despite us turning in our weakest performance of the season we could have still won yesterday and in Rodriguez have a player of genuine guile, class and excellence it's a joy to watch him. COYB and the moaning RS - well just laugh at them

You're never going to enjoy the freedoms you do against Liverpool at present as you will against Brighton.

I thought we coped well with the inevitable periods of pressure, caused them problems too and most importantly have sorted out our mentality issues to come back at them twice. Oh, and we finally got the rub of the green on some dodgy decisions. Last season, we capitulate.

They're a funny lot.

Has anyone mentioned that at the same time as Richarlison was fouling Thiago, Mane (already on a yellow) was kicking out at Mina and tripped him? Pretty clear second yellow but VAR never bothered to look at it.

I think that the club should show solidarity and support the shite's complaint about VAR by providing a video of Mane's trip on Mina, Robertson's kick at Allen and Arnold's tug on Richarlison's shirt when he hit the post.

We should ask why, in the spirit of justice and taking into account Liverpool's complaint about VAR, these 3 incidents weren't checked by VAR at the time. In fact, and in order to ensure that justice is done as the shite demand, as these 3 incidents weren't reviewed at the time, wouldn't it only be fair to review them now and take retrospective action?

When Van Dijk clattered into James in the first few minutes there was intent to slow him down and injury him slightly and to jar him. Hence the same intent with 3 more tackles on James sending him to the floor every time.

Do you remember Gazza's game when he got a major career limiting injury? In that game, he was tackling really wildly nearly injuring people and finally a really wild tackle from him resulted in him damaging his own knee. Justice is sometimes served but never on demand.

There was no intent to injure Van Dijk by Pickford. Contrast that with the trip on Mina by Mane (link in a post on this page), the flying tackle on Digne by Mane which gave the ref no choice but to give a yellow card to Mane. This season Mane intentionally elbowed another player in the throat but it was in the first 5 minutes so no red card.

When Son tripped Gomes he did have an intent to trip him up and to stop a counter-attack but was shocked when Gomes had his leg broken. So once again the intent reason was ignored and not penalised.

When Mane fell to the floor after Gomes's high kick when he plucked the ball out of the air and kept in under control Mane's intent was clear, to gain an advantage by winning a free-kick because the TV showed he did not touch Mane and once again no replay.

The game itself, I thought it was our worst game of the season, too many misplaced passes, and they cut through us like a knife through butter. At least we are still unbeaten so I am happy with that, though Keane and Pickford were outstanding, work on Monday should be fun.

That shitty tackle on Allan summed him up; and summed them up. No doubt he's composing his apology as we speak.

The game is full of devious intents in some players challenges and some referees are too niave to spot them.

RS play to their strengths which is a high intensity offence to unsettle the opposition early but Everton are made of sterner stuff these days.

Different Mike responding but regarding the RS being the “original bitters”, they still are. I respond to “Bitter Blue” comments with “Retarded Red”. They don't like it back at them – particularly when they aren't in a group for back-up.

I mean, we are not so bitter as to resort to stoning the Man City team coach; pushing the locals into fountains on foreign jaunts; rushing the stadium gates in Athens; rushing passport control at John Lennon airport; fireworks at the Liver Building etc. Let's not mention all points going back to Heysel. Oh crap, I just did.

I could go on. But they are too retarded in the dumbest and dumber sense to see their own faults.

And just to qualify my own bitter credentials – on Van Dijk, screw him. You can just imagine the RS watching his two fouls in the first 5 mins and laughing how he was bossing things. What goes around comes around.

It's a bit more difficult trying to be Billy Big Bollocks with a limp.

I was sat quite close to where Deulofeu tore his ACL, at the time I recalled saying that was very deliberate and cynical of Van Dijk which directly led to his injury.

Not one pundit or press mentioned it, instead citing it as an accident. He went to do two of players in the opening mins yesterday, again no mention, he is certainly no saint.

Not one pundit even mentioned it, it's all about Pickford. VAR wasn't used for Mane's trip on Mina, which was definitely a second yellow.

The only reason Oliver didn't check it was Richarlison's tackle on Thiago seconds later.

I doubt they will though.

Those saying the challenge was horrendous – it was clumsy and erratic but not malicious.

They won't try it on again in next derby, they know we have a bite as well.

Still waiting for Slippy and Souness to comment. Total silence.

That Dirty Kuyt, Fangs, Van Dick, they've such a history as long as my arm of names of players who intentionally foul and get away with it.

Don't think the football panel will do anything, as football has fallen out with Liverpool this year. My suspicion is why that VAR was given against them. You do it to yourself you do... and that's what really hurts.

I think we need to prepare to ask the FA to look at missed things that VAR did not see or pick up on like the Mane trip, the Robertson kick, the Mane dive to win a free-kick.

Maybe we could get the Leeds fans to get Salah red carded because of his dive in the first game of the season. The reds will be pushing for a long a ban as possible.

Maybe they will push for something I actually feel would be fair and that is the 3 game ban is served after the recovery from a serious injury in the meantime the player, just like the injured player cannot play any football. When you think of the excuses made by the press that is filled with Spurs fans that Gomes's injury was just an unfortunate accident. Ditto for Van Dijk.

Pickford went over the top and it was a bad tackle. No worse than Son Heung-Min's though and remember how the media were quick to defend it as "out of character". Wonder if Pickford will get the same support?

Get a grip – it was not intentional and imagine if he had stood off and Van Dijk had crossed it for a goal.

The RS don't like it up 'em, do they, and win at Mordor would really sort them. had a message from a RS fan I know (which I didn't respond to) saying VAR is ruining the game, ironically not ever for them apart from this match.

The LFC school of diving, resident tutors Mane and Sahah!

I wouldn't usually welcome a serious injury to any player but this one is a particularly nasty, pernicious individual who probably would have done James if he'd have stayed on the field.

Just heard that tosser, Souness, saying "It was an assault". You really couldn't make this stuff up.

There are quite a few malicious tackles to be seen in that game if the FA care to have a look at them. Bad as they are, not one of them matched the ones Souness performed throughout his career. A great player but one dirty and vicious one with it.

Now is the time to stop whining about Pickford and back him all the way. #ISupportJordan

No way was it malicious; Carragher deserves a bit of credit.

Also, I hope you saw my response to your wisecrack in the Bolasie thread, LOL.

Check this tackle of his out and this is one of many he did in his playing days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVgxYa3mlo

There were a few below-par performances but for a first derby for many players they kept fighting for each other.

Thiago and James stood out as top-class players. Why no one else moved for either is mind-boggling.

I think both tackles were genuine. Richarlison's was a 50:50 and I think he got the ball but studs were raised.

Pickford rushed out tried to stay big and block. Poor attempt but genuine. Probably the best thing he's done all season.

As for poor derby decisions, well don't get me started. I could write all night with the injustices I've seen in 40-odd years.

The most galling aspect in all this is how the media, especially the BBC and Sky, automatically jump on the RS bandwagon.

I'm not into bashing our players but his attempt at saving the disallowed “goal” was appalling and alarming – yes, he made a great save from Matip's header but his challenge on Van Dijk was driven by panic, not intent or malice.

Good for Carragher saying to Souness that he was one to talk having made a career out of tackles worse than that.

And by the way, if the boot was on the other foot, the headline would be "Reds hold on to top spot after fiery encounter"

Forget the fansites, the mainstream media would be talking about a balance of iffy decisions (Robertson and Mane) and the fact that though some of the calls were marginal, the rules are the rules.

We're far, far too magnanimous. No wonder we struggle to beat our neighbours. We're playing by a different set of rules.

The amount of publicity this incident is getting and editing of anything they did wrong is mind-blowing. Someone needs to stand up for our club and point out this hypocrisy.

The ‘likeable' Klopp persona becomes a twisted mask as soon as something doesn't go his way, doesn't it!?

Personally, I'm loving it!! 😁

Listening to him yesterday, you would have thought he was whiter than white! Bloody hypocrite.

At least Carragher said it how it was, and laughed at Souness, telling him to give over.

I think Souness should stand down before he has another heart attack!

Pickford has escaped. But can we afford to rest him against Southampton for his own good?

Let's start behaving like a club that expects to win things.

Hear, hear – very good point. 👍

Nail on the head. I've been saying it for years, it's a coordinated strategy that happens before, during and after games, and it works!

We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive.

And then let's see if we can get it to go viral.

Alternatively – all the bad tackles and bad decisions, all the way back to the Bryan Hamilton goal – just to provide balance.

https://mega.nz/file/up4wxQ7S#gllj2oMiR61rFUnn84vxpvQhyOmJcxYVZXIBoM2by3M

I think they call it either Karma, or the boot being on the other foot at long last!

Dave#365, and others, I'd be more impressed with Pickford if it HAD been deliberate!

"We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive."

Everton are in the same boat as the other 18 clubs in the EPL, the other two, one being the RS in particular and United have their fingers in ALL the fucking pies.

I watched the Palace game and had to listen to an ex RS commentator and an ex United player doing the halftime overview, so basically 90 minutes of anti Everton bias and an half-time overview of how unlucky Palace were.

You will have seen in the past 48 hours how the RS media machine works. Everton, like the other 18 clubs, have no control over what shite these commentators are paid, yes paid, to type or
provide comment on. The BBC is a tax payer funded company yet the bias to the RS is shocking, absolutely shocking.

For me Everton are neither nice or naive, Everton are humble and they get on with what shit comes their way and I am proud that they do that.

https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/article19121231.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_GettyImages-1280730593.jpg

Take your point.

My concern is for Pickford himself.
The trolls will be having a field day.

Yes he is man enough to handle it.

Let's not forget VVR is no angel. He should have been booked for his early foul on James!

Cheeky chappie Digne!

We need the ex blues to speak up as much as the reds do. The only commentators who vociferously voiced our side have been Peter Reed and Tim Cahill.

They are absurdly deluded dickbrains with the combined IQ of a dead frog. It was a game of football for fucks sake and I'm sure they feel hard done by. But as an Evertonian I have far more experience of feeling hard done by after derbies than they do.

Always the victim never to blame eh?

Looks like Pickford's going nowhere for the moment.
No doubt Sky and the Liverpool Twitterati will respond to this in a calm and reasonable manner.

On that note, can I say that my favourite part of the weekend's media circus was when Sky called upon one of the dirtiest players to don a red shirt plus a convicted 'drugs cheat' as their voices of moral outrage. Almost as Trump holding a bible...

Are you sure about the combined IQ of a dead frog!

I think you've underestimated the dead frogs IQ 😂😂😂

I was unfortunate enough to witness Souness ranting. Genuine outrage.

Did you notice when he said “we” and then quickly said “Liverpool”?

Fair does to Carragher for pointing out Souness's unique qualification to discuss ‘assaults ‘

Aston Villa fans not too happy either with the Media about VVDs injury.

An IQ next to none?!

I wonder how the media will highlight this?

Can we have Pickford serve Richarlison's ban? Seems fair to me.

5 league games so far this season and 4 of them have had Pickford mistakes. Even the wrongly disallowed goal on Saturday he should have saved.

I used to like Souness, he spoke as much sense as anyone on tv, imo, but not anymore because this man's agenda really does seem to have changed.

Spiteful as a player, now spiteful as a pundit, surely players who have played the game, (especially top players) know the difference between poor decision making, and maliciousness or assault?

Football needs a revamp of its laws, start with the cheating, and let's stop insulting ourselves, with that most horrible of sayings. “He had a right to go down”- it's sickening, because a player should really only have the right to go down, if he's injured or “he can't stay on his feet”

We all know he is erratic, world class followed by Sunday league standard usually in the same game but surely most can realise that even dropping him for Olsen isn't going to improve us or him.

Whilst he is in-between the sticks for us he deserves our support. Most of the English media had an agenda against him even before the derby.

Now, I didn't want to take this too seriously as I'm sure that many kopites are reasonable people who have by now settled down and largely put the game behind them. But the redshirt support does seem to include well beyond their fair share of total cretins, as Heysel aptly demonstrated.

I admire some of their players, they are excellent exponents of the game.

I intensely dislike the club as they are so mafia like as The Project Big Picture and other events have demonstrated.

But I reserve my hatred for the massive numbers of redshirt supporters of this ilk. Every club has its hotheads but nobody compares to this lot. To them it's not a game it's a cult. They are the Taliban of the Premiership. They can see no wrong in the club they support and in their own psychopathic behaviour. I wish they would just go away and allow the beautiful game to breathe again.

Can you imagine the footballers who fought in World War I having the same attitude. "Sir we lost a dozen men," "Oh, no! Killed or wounded?" "Neither sir but Gerry came charging over and brushed by them so they had a right to go down."

I'd ask why he came out in the first place & led with his legs? It suggests to me he thought he couldn't get there? Only 5 minutes into a big game & the ball running away from VVD he made a poor choice to leave his line when every percentage was against VVD. Why?
I'd much more concerned with the decision to come out than the tackle. His judgement is the issue here surely? The tackle is the result of that bad judgement. This 50:50 lark is a smoke screen to defend the tackle and the ram out from it.. Let's rewind and look at the root of the problem, which is his desire to get involved when it's not necessary.
He must be ‘rested' because trying play him through the bad spell is not working.

As Jack @ 401 points out, the villa fans are fuming because one of their players suffered a similar challenge and injury back on new years day, and is still out injured, yet no fuss has been made by the media, but the minute it happens to a red Shite player everyone is up in arms. Well do you know what, unlucky, shit happens, get over it. It was a bad challenge by Pickford and probably did deserve a red card, but there is no way he intended to hurt Van Dijk.

Bloody spellcheck! On your point about Pickford, I think he panics quite a bit and when he does so, his response is just to fling a limb in some direction. In this case his leg, in other cases a weird star jump, or a limp wristed wave. It's almost like he has an involuntary spasm and part of his body reacts to a danger without any sort of cognitive control. Most of his errors involve weird motions. It's not a good thing.

Mark Bosnich lol!!!!

I remember when they stopped a match at old Trafford for 15min to remark the penalty area as he had hoovered up all the white lines.

What a pillock.

Pickford is shot to bits on crosses, he's always in two minds, he dithers, and shows a complete lack of anticipation, which interferes with his timing - once he's forced to come forward off his line, and maybe it's time to give him a rest?

I'm giving it a rest myself now, those crying kopites, incessantly getting backed up by the media has given me a headache, and it's true James@421, not even Manchester United could feign such outrage so I'm going to listen to Genesis, singing “turn it in, turn it in again”!

Now there's a man whose judgement you can trust, eh?

oops - here's the link to the tackle I was talking about.

Radio Merseyside tonight - RS fan EFC are the dirtiest team in the EPL and I hope the teams playing away to EFC take expert medical staff with them as they will need them. You can't make it up.

He only did that when he wasn't giving Hitler salutes.

Or he could have been sending for his stash.

Beglin weighing in too. The sound you hear is that of the bottom of the toilet being well and truly scraped.

What does Rodney Marsh think?

Try My Shits Fucked Up by Warren Zevon and dedicate it to them, because that's how they are.

Or maybe The Downward Pull of Human Nature by John Martyn

His excuse? 'I was imitating Basil Fawlty!'

In his autobiography, Alex Ferguson described Bosnisch as a 'terrible professional'.

He's a real 'bewt', as the Aussies would describe their own.

Isn't that an oxymoron by Ferguson?

Just like social distancing.

Why? Because he kidded Richarlison on Twitter about trying to slip the red card back into Oliver's pocket.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-fails-lucas-digne-jokes-about-Richarlisons-red-card-against-liverpool-20201019

Who's Endangering Who?

The meejah will have access to this (it's a Getty Image, a platform used by all), but it's not an image doing the rounds in 'cos it doesn't demonise Jordan as much, but gives another perspective of the incident which doesn't fit the dialogue.

In Formula One the stewards would describe this as a 'racing incident' in which yes, there was a coming together of two combatants, but with no case to answer for as there was no deliberate malice by either to deliberately endanger the other.

I saw the same one myself, and I think Brian mentioned or posted it somewhere earlier.

At the speed these things happen today it probably takes luck to guarantee getting studs on someone but to suggest "Leg wrapping" as I read earlier is mad. All gone too far.

We are top of the league and are evolving into a very good team that doesn't roll over. They are shitting themselves.

Long may it continue.

The song could be written for VAR, it's been fucked up since it started, but it's only really fucked up when the outraged suffer, I really wish I was in a pub winding them up right now!

He walked the whole way. In fact that annoying Peter Drury said he was coming back on and looked to have shaken it off as he neared the half way line.

Warren is one of my favourites mate. I saw him sing that live at the Lowry Centre in Salford years ago. it's about being told about the stuff that finally killed him, but dark humour.

I bet you've heard Werewolves of London though.

I hate Sky sports for their bringing everything down to a headline and trivialising stuff.

Try The Sky is Crying by Elmore James.

And sleep well to May You Never by John Martyn and have a laugh to The Hula Hula Boys by Warren Z

God bless

Exactly, Klopp said he knew he would be out for a long time as soon as it happened and yet they sent him on a 300 yard stroll in the immediate aftermath.

The way he was walking showed no sign of a limp or anything. In fact you'd think from his boat race he'd just been sent off.

Rumour also has it that he had been receiving treatment for a while on "a suspect knee", so make of that what you will.

Klopp's responses when things don't go his way are truly irresponsible and unprofessional. The persona he presents lacks dignity, decency and sportsmanship, and reflects a cult of personality that is ugly and enough to put folks off football. The guy needs anger management. If he carries on like that he'll have a coronary.

A large segment of the media follows close behind him, their presentation dressed up in a pretence of analysis that distorts facts and propagates lies.

The whole thing is shocking. A veritable lynch mob.

For what it's worth, I thought the same thing Klippity did at the moment it happened.

You are ruining my conspiracy narrative with sensible medical information.

I reckon Liverpool should come out and say "Calm Down, Calm down" before something bad happens... but I doubt they will.

Klopp is a Trump - Populist Manager. Says what his fanbase wants to hear. They should be asking him why was Van Dijk playing with pain. Could that explain how Villa took the piss last time out? Van Dijk should always be questioning the way his manager and physios have handled his injury (pain), prior to playing Everton.

Let's not forget, when a Liverpool player racially abused another pro, the decision was made to commemorate said racist by wearing T-shirts with his fanged face on while he was banned.

I'd just love to get back to Goodison again. Or just go to the pub with my family again. See my grandson

Life Jim but not as we know it.

Shit, it might be tough but it will pass and life will go on. It always does.

As the Doobies said, Listen To The Music.

That was exactly as I described it, a footballing incident, with Pickford doing basically what any other good goalie would have done. Never takes his eye off the ball and there is absolutely no malice.

Van Dijk ended up in the scissor partly because of how he went down. Terrible incident, terrible injury but there but the Grace of God go many people who get tackled in football especially by often thuggish tackles from Van Dijk himself.

That's actually a quote from Klopp's "speech". He actually said that.

And now this, blaming that incident on an existing problem, solely down to Jordan Pickford. Maybe other fans and the general public will see them exposed for the cheats that they are.

Yes, he was. A genius for me.

A couple of songs for our time:

Splendid Isolation

The Bland Indifference of Heaven.

Brilliant comedy group with some hilarious parodies on popular songs. I wholeheartedly recommend a listen, possibly YouTube to whet your appetite. Came from the Wirral area I believe.

Probably the most hated fans in Europe, they seem to think that Heysel never happened sadly.

There is a part of me that just can't help but wonder what the level of reaction would have been like if we had actually scored from that free-kick which was pretty much the last kick of the game and we ended up winning 3-2. Could you imagine!

Also – wouldn't surprise me to see this incident and the next three games as the making or breaking of Jordan Pickford. Every save he makes in the next three games, there will be pundits screaming out that he shouldn't be there. Equally, any mistakes he makes will be roundly applauded as justice for Van Dijk.

He strikes me as someone who likes the attention so maybe, just maybe, he will see this as an opportunity to grab the headlines for a little longer.

Derek 'Half Man, Half Biscuit', what a name! Long time since I heard that one.

So Jordan did.

Then, for Henderson's goal, Mane came from an offside position to receive the ball, so offside... or am I wrong?

Lloyd #494 – posed the same question earlier in the thread and I am still not quite sure what the answer is even though Derek #376 & Brian #381 offered possible explanations. ;)

Mind if I pinch it?

Pray to Allah for Salah? :-)

See pic on this link. Pickford saves from Matt Doherty at Spurs. Only a still bit it looks very much like how he's charged out towards VVD in similar circumstances - both feet off the floor and leading with right leg as he blocks the shot. Obviously its a technique he uses when coming out to block an unmarked player who has got in behind the full back.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/jordan-pickford-of-everton-saves-from-matt-doherty-of-news-photo/1272276266

What happened to the edit facility. Please bring it back for us older fogies who forget to put in links.

I hope you're feeling a bit better today. Music can always help to some degree.

That's a great track by JAT. Whatever happened to her?

An old mate, we've known each since we were babies in Walton, lives in Spain these days. He reckoned that just dancing when he felt a bit low really helped, and asked me for a playlist that he could dance along to. On his own!

He said I should do it too. I've not tried it yet but I think my wife, who already thinks I'm eccentric, may think I've gone totally barmy, if she sees that.

I have heard that Mo Salah has forewarned Egypt in preparation for all manner of plagues, befalling his kinsfolk, should the result at Mordor go in our favour. Even has his Mummy worried. :-)

Listen to Biko Drum by Christie Moore

Powerful song

Not sure my knackered knee and ankle could withstand all that dancing

Too much football, rugby and cross country, to keep fit!

When I get up of a morning it sounds like a symphony of bones.

Let this be a lesson to you Virgil. If you'd stayed in Holland you could have applied for conjugal visits with condoms and necessary lubricants supplied.

Unless you're more imaginative than I am you don't need knees for that kind of hanky panky.

That creates a horrid image it will take time to eradicate.

Klopping off?

Not the KY Jelly I hope. :-)

Christine, do I need to pay you to use that one?

If Leicester can do it against the odds then he not us.

We're above getting involved and should show it.

Not - fecking - bothered.

Klopp is distraught with worry about where ehe is going to get a centre back from?

I would love to see the rs sign him. 🤣

Their trouble is they love dishing it out like a school bully but shit themselves when the kid fights back and tun to mummy & daddy or in this case the FA and The Media.

Carlo and his boys sure made their mark this last weekend and its got nothing to do with Pickford, Richarlson, Refs or Var. We stood up to them, would not be intimidated and twice came from behind. They would have expected us to lie down and thank them for showing us how good they are and how shit we should think of ourselves and not get ideas above their perceived perception of us. Yes, it may well be our cup final but we are their nemesis and they are crapping themselves that Everton are finally wakening from too long a slumber. Go get em Carlo.

This Wijnaldum thing has added fuel and it's now getting beyond belief. They actually don't see anything they do as wrong, anything goes against them is an affront on humanity.

I hope our club respond and plant some seeds of our own. The shit we have taken for decades, players' careers ruined, horrendous tackles, shocking decisions, unbelievable bad luck and the first time I can ever remember any luck for us and against them, it's Armageddon.

"Both challenges were difficult to accept, let me say it like that.

"Virgil is our boy, a world-class player and we will miss him. Injuries happen in football, but when two players try to challenge for the ball."

The snidey comment - It did not happen for the first time and not the last.

Quite right Mr Klopp - just ask Nulty, Ebbrell, Naismith, Mirallas, and Neville. Others who have been injured but who got on with - Heath, Bracewell, McCarthy, Coleman, Oviedo, Connolly and most recently Gomes. Shit happens that's life. What your really pissed off about is you took a chance with VVD, you admitted he had pain and has been playing in pain because you didn't get a CB in during the transfer window. That's your fault not Pickfords.

Last season City lost Laporte - did they whinge no they got on with it. Any player can get injured at anytime in a game of football it happens every week, Why oh why are you supposed to be immune. Pickford was stupid we know that. It wasn't deliberate, whereas Sons on Gomes was done with the red mist in his eyes. He got a red which was then rescinded by a media outcry. We were gobsmacked but we got on with it and so did Gomes. Just give it arrest. EFC are back learn to live with it. We are.

Oh mash potato says one, I thought it was going to be Robbo who was gonna nail him first, says the other.

One rule for everyone and another rule for Liverpool? because you don't win leagues if you can't compete. Not for the first time — you're kidding nobody Liverpool, hard done by? Yes. But join the club and fucking get on with it now

Calmer heads would seek to cool the fires and try and get on with what is to them a bad situation. The lack of respect shown by Klopp and his players towards Everton FC is reaching a level that I never thought I would witness.

I can take a lack of respect from former players masquerading as pundits, they can have the same level of emotional baggage as supporters, but from active professionals who are supposed to set the standards and who are allegedly role models for many youngsters, and some adults, I worry about the possible fall-out from this episode.

It's supposed to be a game, not a war, and Klopp's utterances are unwise and unwelcome.

One whom Fortune's smiles have delighted overmuch, will reel under the shock of change.

Horace, Epistles I, x.30-33.

Who can remember Tommy Smith coming on the pitch in the Merseyside cup final to take a penalty as a guest or some charity, in front of 100,000 at Wembley, both BBC and ITV audiences live, as well as the rest of the world.

Yes, the older generation will remember the social stopped his disability and dropped him to the lowest rate after the incident and guess what, he blamed it on an Everton fan for naming him to the social, probs was like but what did he expect, if he is stupid enough to go in front of a live audience, and take a penalty.

Nostalgia is not what it used to be though! Eh? :-)

Andy Robertson agrees that he should be sent off for dangerous tackling on Allan. LOL just a joke out of context

On topic - what fucks me off is that not one pundit that I have read/heard has made the point that VVD was as committed to that ball as Pickford was. It's always going to be dicey with these combative 50/50s and it (the injury) could have gone either way. I genuinly have a begrudging sympathy for VVD, but time for the inquisition to move on I think.

A million a month will buy enough pain relief I think.