Farcical defending sees Everton self-destruct

Let's hope DCL will show half the commitment that I'm expecting from Weghorst. Branthwaite is going to be busy.

champions league games are always a welcome relief to watch some good football.

When Allan is back, I hope Holgate stays where he is because he does the role better. We look a far better outfit with Holgate sat there than we have done all season. Last time we looked good with a defensive midfielder is when Davies played there.

If we put Allan straight back in, watch us get caught out after a stupid slide tackle that leaves us exposed.

He's shite. He should have gone years ago. And now you want him in midfield. Laughable.

Frank?

Bye!

RIP we are gone..

Measured, built, dug and nails are in.

Burnley scored 3 goals.
We had to rely on 2 penalties.
That is how good we are.

We can have no complaints. I do not expect us to come back up for a very long time.

How sad.

I really fear for this club, I don't think we will bounce straight back. As a football club, we are screwed. I can see just another Sunderland, with the added luxury of watching Liverpool be successful year after year.

When we do go down, we won't be back for a while mate... no fight at all. These pricks just don't care...they don't know what Everton means.

It just makes me so sad when you think of all the players who've worn the shirt with pride over decades... and of course all the loyal, fanatical supporters... these cunts are breaking hearts.

Pickford was a liability with his kicking. Kenny is one of the worst right-backs we've had. Godfrey has been body snatched. Only Richarlison and Gordon get any credit for caring and trying.

At least Rondon had a shot which was more than Calvert-Lewin did all game. I like Gordon but twice he hit the first man at a corner and the other time he kicked it out of play. Basics.

I don't blame Branthwaite but the rest of the defence are terrible. I can pick players from my level who could defend set-pieces better and I'm 47.

Pickford's kicking ability is like Doucoure's ball-winning reputation: a myth. I forecast we'd go down and not get another point away from home when we lost away at Brentford. I hate to see it, but I think it will happen.

I'm starting to think that relegation will force a reset. It says it all when Delph was going to be our saviour tonight.

Lampard has conceded 19 in 6 away games. You just cannot concede 3 goals to Burnley.

Negatives: Five years on from Koeman being sacked as we couldn't defend, our backline still includes Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Coleman. Two directors of football and hundreds of millions spent and we still have somehow let the Keystone Cops stick around.

Then the hilarious stuff that Darren Hinds was touting all last year that Carlo was holding us back and we could sell Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, Davies and Holgate for in excess of £100 million. No wonder he has packed it in. They made a right monkey out of him and his eagle-eyed view from the stands.

Gordon is good but no more; Richarlison has spirit but ill focussed agression and is selfish; Pickford is good but scatterbrained; Gray is good every now and then.

Everybody is else is complete crap. It's unlikely we can sell any of these players at all and their wages are what will finish us off in the Championship next season.

Derek #40, me too mate, we seem to go from one stubborn manager to another.

Absolutely gutted!

Lampard hasn't set the world alight but he is a bit player in this tragedy. The club has been a shambles for several years spending vast sums on talentless, gutless leeches.

We deserve the drop much more than Burnley who battle on with scant resources. Saddest thing of all is that 60 years into supporting this lot, I find I no longer give a fuck.

Quite simply shameful but what do you expect from these spoilt infants that try to lay the blame on a lack of confidence and need a hug after every time something doesn't go their way.

I just feel so sorry for our fantastic fans. We'll get stuffed by a poor Man Utd side on Saturday.

We won't get back quick, and it ain't going to be pretty. But such a dysfunctional, navel-gazing, rudderless club as the one we've become means we have to go through a painful resurrection. For now, though, it's over.

NSNO? No chance.

"I am not buying a museum. I am building a mausoleum."

We have too many players who can't do more than an hours hard graft, fitness is a real issue, because it affects the brain too, and firstly Richarlison instead of calmly slotting home for his hat-trick decided to use power, Kenny instead of keeping the ball and starting another move, decided he'd try and score a worldy which was never on and thus left us wide open on his side of the pitch and then Godfrey for whatever reason fails to clear properly and we've lost the game.

We may as well resign ourselves to life in the Championship right now, because you can rest assured that Dyche won't let us off the hook, we had it in our own hands for an hour and allowed it to be taken off us, I fully expect Burnely to be ahead of Everton by the end of the coming weekend.

I really thought at one point in tonight's game that it may have been a real turning point for the season, however, we got what we usually get a huge kick in the guts.

I absolve Branthwaite and Iwobi from any blame with their performances tonight, Richarlison worked hard and scored two penalties but how wasteful was he with the ball in the second half.

Burnley were very poor but give them their due they were very patient waiting for the mistakes they knew and we all knew Everton would make. It will take miracle for us to come back from this and I can't even hope for one, wouldn't even insult God by praying for one. Hard to take and believe we are in such a state but it's there right in front of and has been all season.

The mistakes for the goals tonight are almost laughable.

I feel sick! Awful play!! The players are terrible at football. I don't think there was a lack of effort they are just not very good!

I fear there's no way back from this. A complete body blow! Relegation, administration, no stadium, possibly the first real big club that disappears?

When we go down I really don't think there's a way back? Sheffield Wednesday with 100 times the debt.

Had we put this kind of effort and attacking intent in for most of the season, we'd be clear of trouble. I really believe that.

Plenty of us saw this coming. We've been the worst team in the league for a long time. Yet we continued on with the disastrous Benitez reign, allowed him to control the transfers in and out (those decisions have killed us), and continued with the pointless playing of Richarlison up front.

It's a classic too little too late. We're not good enough to get ourselves out of trouble. And we sleepwalked into that trouble.

Burnley will finish above us now. So will Watford. I don't see anything else.

I've read on the live forum, some fans calling for Moshiri to get out of our club. Well, my view is, it's the feller that welcomed him into the club who should be chased out.

Without Moshiri, I don't seee another benefactor coming into the club, so we'd be even further up shit creek without a paddle, if he put the club up for sale.

I don't know how many managers have been blamed for the state our team is in; but the one constant is the players themselves.

I wonder how many players would be bought by other Premiership clubs? My guess is not many...and for not much! If we sold them down Merton road car Bootie we might get a few bob for some, the others we'll have until they run their contracts down.

I'm exaggerating of course, we've got some good young players but a hell of a lot of work needed to build a team, let alone a squad.

Just so there is any confusion as to the beginning of the rebuilding job. Well that starts with the demolition of those useless bastards on the Board.

First out, of course should be "We've had some good times" Kenwright. Then Sharp and the ex Red Echo writer Dave Prentice, quickly followed by Professor Dynamite.

Relegation ha, we will finish 19th even below Watford.

Lampard, Dyche or Hodgson running the ship in this situation, who would you rather have?

The Dele Alli signing and his impact sums this joke of a club up.

Embarrassed and ashamed.

Appointing Greame Sharp as a NED must have rocked the football world with Jealousy.

Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Everton will be lucky to win another game in the Championship.

As for that last International break, it was closer to Alice in Wonderland, than preparation for a relegation dog fight. Which does not surprise me, given the performances after them by Everton for years.

It's all over now, baby blue.

Notts Forest v.2022, we won't be back up in my lifetime. Absolutely gutted.

"I wouldn't even insult God by praying for one."

Only Everton could pick such a moment with everything else going on in the world that warrants divine intervention when he is otherwise occupied with more deserving cases.

I am normally very optimistic and positive but I feel like there is nothing left. I sincerely hope you are right but something tells me both Watford and Burnley will finish above us,

What the fuck do they work on at Finch Farm?

Well, he passed on last May and I am so pleased he didn't have to watch this shambles of a club descend into the Championship. An utter disgrace from top to bottom and I'm actually past caring…

He has brought nothing except disorganisation and defeat. You don't pay the money he's on for nothing. You expect some improvement. That's what he was hired for. He has delivered loss after dire loss.

The Brentford home game no longer looks a home banker. Neither does Palace at home. I think Wolves throwing a 2-goal lead away v Leeds, the night after we'd beaten Newcastle, summed up our season.

Let's be honest, aside from Norwich who beat us away, we're the worst team in the league. Anyone who says “We've got good players” doesn't follow this club or watch the games.

We don't score enough goals. We concede far too easily. We're a soft touch away from home. We have no aggression, creativity, leadership.

We deserve to go down based on results and performances.

First goal – Iwobi initially marks his man but then gets transfixed by the ball and leaves him to casually side-foot it in.

Second goal – Calvert-Lewin tries to jockey the Burnley player but is too easily turned. Our second defender stands by watching before Kenny jumps in unnecessarily and, hey presto, the Burnley player is in on goal.

Third goal – Pickford miskicks, concedes throw-in. Godfrey miskicks, game over.

The irony is, without Keane and Allan's brain farts they'd have been able to play and the team would've been stronger. More self-inflicted wounds.

I'm almost resigned now. Just from a fairness point of view, it'd be really harsh on another team if this bunch of useless, naive, incompetent, brainless, cowardly players somehow managed to stay up. Kinda takes the pain away a little.

Next home game has to be hell for them, don't go in if that's what it takes, support makes no difference to these clowns. These jokers are stealing a living at our expense and making our lives hell as a return.

It's all been coming since that foney gobshite walked into the club. Shame on anyone who backs him or refuses to help get rid of him.

Our time is up, unless a miracle occurs, in the top flight. The malaise has been going on for more than 30 years. A slow, painful death.

The Kenwright curse has been accelerated by the moron known as Moshiri. These two have finished the work begun in the late 80's early 90's. Ineptitude, indifference and criminal negligence.

So thank you Everton. I will support you in the championship, league one or wherever you end up. My only hope is this disaster will lead us into a major overhaul starting with the departure of messrs kenshite and his moronic financier.

Let's start from scratch and rebuild from top to bottom. This isn't the end, it's not even the beginning of the end but it could be the start of something fresh, clean and beautiful.

Fucking wanking tosspots all of them!! COYB!!!!!

I was trying to rationalize the same thing, a post administration fresh start with a young team of hungry players, but every time I try to picture future Everton turning out at Grimsby, I see Holgate in the line up.

If there's a chance to jettison him ahead of the Championship we should take it though. An experienced manager will be key to getting back to the Premier League.

Jettison, I like the sound of that right now.

Put the kids in against Man Utd. Can't be any worse.

Every week, the same players let us down. Had enough now. I bet even relegation won't get Blue Bill to hang it up. Shambles of a club that's firmly stuck in the past.

Who are we going to get anything against between now and the end of the season with the way we defend?

Think we'll finish second bottom, unless Norwich pick up a bit.

Lost count of how many times players could not pass to their teammates when not under pressure or their passes were two soft, disadvantaging the player receiving the ball. Lack of any urgency or willingness to give 110% for the shirt, these are all the things the new manager was suppose to correct. Under Lampard, we have become a League One side.

I can not understand for the life of me why we signed Dele Alli or Nathan Patterson. People think we will bounce straight back, then they should watch some Championship games... half the teams play way better football than us and we will have pretty much the same team due to the current wages their on.

I can't see Gordon, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison and Gray wanting to play in the Championship.

What's left? Charity!

Can't see us getting anything in that context, apart from a miracle, and players manning up, and playing like they care. A very sad time for all Evertonians. Like I have said many, many times, if the players showed half the commitment and loyalty that the fans do, we would not be having this conversation! 😥💙

I'd also not start Pickford. Why he ever booted that ball out of touch instead of popping down the line I'll never know. We need a calm head at keeper now.

That was a crushing loss.

The only positive out of all this is that by some miracle we're still not in the drop zone. That just shows how bad the bottom 3 are and even worse, puts losing to one into perspective.

Lampard was never my choice but do you get rid now? Man Utd on Saturday is now truly massive, if we win there's still hope, I don't think a draw is enough. We need to win, full stop. At least the players won't have the fact it's an away game in the back of their minds and Goodison Park will be like a bear pit.

Gotta try and put this game behind us and focus on Saturday – if we don't win, I think we'll be in the bottom 3 come Sunday and once we enter, I just cannot see us getting back out again, the players are too mentally weak.

I also expect Watford to pick up some points in their next couple of games and this result would have given them a boost as they're not further from 17th.

What an utterly shit night, so much hope at half-time, so typical Everton it's untrue.

Performance-wise, it was never going to be a classic but I thought the likes of Richarlison, Branthwaite, Gordon, Mykolenko and Iwobi (yes that's right) had decent games. Godfrey did okay until the howler at the end.

Pickford is just too jittery and unreliable (as soon as he miskicked at the end, I had a bad feeling). Calvert-Lewin was totally anonymous – need to flog him to Arsenal or the Saudis in the summer. Kenny just isn't a Premier League player, and Doucoure had a poor game.

Crap night but, despite the run-in, we can't throw in the towel with 9 games left! We can do Man Utd on Saturday.

There Frank sits just above Mike Walker. Argue that away, yeah go on.

Doucouré is another shocking footballer who lacks everything a midfielder needs bar the energy and even that wasn't there because he's starving himself for Ramadan. Who the fuck signs these players?

We look like a team who are in some twisted way, desperate to finish rock bottom and I can see it happening now, by the way.

This has been on the cards for a long time due to the absolute piss poor leadership at the helm of the club. Frank Lampard was brought in to build the club back up from the abyss and it is not his fault that millionaire professional football players cannot do the basics on a football field.

If he had his own team of choice out on that pitch it would not contain one of those players on show tonight. Burnley actually have worse players than we do but they are more experienced.

Kenwright Out now.

They had after the match celebrated with the players in Smokin Joe's nightclub in Burnley. Apparently every time they went over to Turf Moor, they all ended up in Smokin Joe's. They ate in the staff canteen and talked to directors, the manager, coaches and players.

They deserve to be back in the Premier League and to avoid relegation. I hope they are happy tonight.

Evertonians don't deserve the club that Everton has turned into. There will not be a peep from anyone at the club. They are a complete and utter disgrace.

The weird signings, El Ghazi, Alli, even Van de Beek? Sigurdsson's strange problem, the appointment of Rafa, the loss of James, the injuries... You couldn't make it up.

We are a wankstain of a team run by a clueless coach and a prolapse of a board, and owned by an idiot.

I couldn't let myself watch it, I went out and turned my phone off, hoping somehow that would change our luck.

We will go down.

I think hard hats may be required in the Directors Box in the next few weeks unless Everton go on some sort of winning run.

Kenny had a good game which counts for nothing, because of his hand in two of Burnley's goals. Same with Godfrey, and also our most experienced player, Pickford.

Individual mistakes have cost Everton all season and, although we were much better than Burnley, they've cost us a crucial 6 points tonight.

Lampard had nothing to do with the transfer signing. Neither had Benitez. That is how delusional they are at Everton.

We're in big trouble now, there's no belief in eachother, we don't know how to win, we've forgotten what it takes.

Jonjoe Kenny has a tough 2nd half but our whole defensive awareness is rank. As others have said, Gordon, Iowbi and Richarlison had good games... I wish Richarlison could score from open play.

How the hell have we lost that? I'm starting to wonder if Lampard lasts now, he can't win with this bunch; could there be another change?

Martina, Senderos, Krøldrop and Hottiger were world-beaters compared to this current shower of shit.

Can't head, stop crosses, clear the ball, make decisions. They are all shite.

We are doomed. There just isn't anything there with this lot. Richarlison is the best of a bad bunch. Gordon is improving but he wouldn't get in a mid-table Premier League team and that's it.

Next season, we will have:

Begovic
Coleman Keane Branthwaite Mykolenko
Gordon Godfrey Davies
Simms and Dobbin

We aren't coming back anytime soon!

Fof fuck's sake, Everton.

Lampard is a fine-weather manager and let's face it the only thing he is good at is addressing the press. I had concerns when the coaching staff included Ancelotti's old right-hand man who managed Swansea's downfall.

It's drastic but I would get big Sam in to see if he can do anything to save us as our goose is well and truly cooked with Lampard as manager. He just hasn't the skill set to save us.

The nightmare has become reality: Everton have literally run out of new ways to embarrass the fans now.

I would stick with Frank. Although his record is now utterly atrocious, I do expect that there'll be an exodus of players in the summer. And I think he is a decent manager who can maybe show his best building a squad rather than attempting to repair one that is highly damaged.

Make no mistake: much of this damage was recorded under the stewardship of Rafael Benitez. A man who – not in a million years – should ever have been allowed near our club. I would never have even had him in as a neutral spectator.

Ancelotti for all of his detractors on here, finished 10 points of 3rd spot last season. 3rd spot off Liverpool and automatic group stage qualification for the Champions League.

Some people on here believe that a loss of form towards the latter part of the 2020-21 season was a symptom of poor management by Ancelotti and poor input from players such as James Rodriguez. Some even suggested that Demarai Gray was some kind of upgrade on James Rodriguez.

Anybody with half an ounce of knowledge about the game would know that Ancelotti back to Madrid was brokered around January 2021. He may have lost interest thereafter. Our form suffered after that point. But people on here mistake that for bad management. It wasn't. It was disinterested management, augmented by the community he came to live amongst targeting his home for an awful burglary.

This allowed the opportunity for Benitez and his poison to infect our football club. And the recovery from this is proving very difficult.

Bottom line. Do not forget that Benitez took a team that finished 10 points off 3rd spot last season and turned them into one of the worst performing clubs in the Premier League within 6 months.

All 3 goals were rank amateur. Corner - dreadful. 2nd is scored by 3 failed attempts to stop the left hand side before he gets to the dead ball line. 3rd goal is awful from Godfrey.

2nd and 3rd goal, there is no defender anywhere near. How can we defend like that? We never get that space up front, how can it be acceptable every match?

It will be a struggle to stay in the Championship, so bad is the whole Everton set-up.

A post should be held up at all remaining games: 'Bye Bye, you load of useless twats. '

Staying up from this position will be easier than getting back into this league. If there's a lever we can pull, we should pull it. Why not?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Frank have a Keegan moment after tonight. He's not up to the job.

Down without a whimper. Defensively shocking. We needed a win tonight and against Man Utd.

Unbelievable... still. “we've had some good moments” or whatever that arsehole said.

There is no way I will accept we are down when we are not in the Bottom 3 and we have 9 games to play. But we are in deep trouble.

The one major change to the team I would make would be to replace Pickford with Begovic. Jordan has done okay in the past 12 months but he is unsteady. Begovic has got presence and would calm the defence, which is crucial.

I don't think it will happen.

Agreed, we don't deserve any help from a higher power, it's all our own self-made mess.

Holgate on the first can head the corner clear but doesn't – probably because he thinks someone else will take responsibility behind him. I used to rate Holgate but I don't think I've ever seen a footballer who is more comfortable passing the buck than passing the football. Calvert-Lewin can clear it off the line but he falls over trying. Pathetic.

Calvert-Lewin has to do more against Tarkowski in the build-up for their second goal; he is way off the pace and needs to sit out the next couple of games if not more. Then Kenny commits and is beaten, and Godfrey tip-toes back towards the 6-yard box – while Holgate, who is next to Jay Rodriguez, wanders aimlessly towards the near post, where Godfrey is. The purposeful cross from Taylor finds the now unmarked Rodriguez. When the cross comes in there are at least 3 unmarked Burnley players – only Branthwaite has gone with his man, Weghorst. Pathetic.

And what Godfrey is doing for the third goal is atrocious – a lack of concentration, conviction and ability. Holgate switches off – which is what he does whenever he gets the chance – and Vydra crosses to an unmarked Cornet. Pathetic.

These goals are all embarrassingly pathetic. These players are pathetic. They are going to do worse than relegate this club, they are going to see us placed into administration and maybe worse.

Calvert-Lewin is crap. Let's all be honest about it. He leaps way to early and gives too many free kicks away.

Anthony Gordon looked knackered to me and should have taken his chance sooner or let the defender commit and cut inside.

The rest are a mishmash of piss-poor quality football players who cannot be relied upon for any type of quality but can be relied upon to make mistakes.

I do agree that Lampard has certainly not improved the team much but he has had a tough task given the quality of players and injuries. If we had Mina and Coleman there tonight, we would probably have won that game.

A lot of people are resigned to relegation, but I've always had the belief that Goodison, being such a powerful force, can help save us. So let's get everything out of our system before Saturday lunchtime, because these very weak-minded players “need us”, and we are the ones who will always be here forever.

The club is a shambles from top to bottom and needs a radical overhaul starting with the twat of an owner who seemingly has more money then sense.

I have thought for a while we were going down; after another defeat against a bottom 3 side with an awful record, I just can't see where another point is coming from this season

What I want to know is: When you sign for Everton, is part of the signing-on process a castration? Cos I don't see any balls amongst these players. Men? Fucking wimps and weirdos. A bunch of cocky tossers who are in Kenwright's mould.

See you at Luton, Coventry or Reading in August. What a disgrace.

The third goal was coming as players had already started loosing their heads and playing stray passes. The inability to concentrate for 90 minutes is shocking, it's a vital part of being a pro. With a defence like ours, we always look like conceding. Can't blame the ref on this one.

I heard tonight we'd signed the lesser-spotted El Ghazi on loan as Villa couldn't afford his wages and the signing of Digne. We're run by such idiots, I wouldn't dismiss it.

I can't believe I'm writing this. This is what our owners and players have done to me. It's hard to describe but something feels like it's died. A feeling of melancholy and deception.

Play Rondon.

Spot on and thanks because you have made me realise that there is still a ray of hope while we have home games to come.

UTFT!

A team of Everton's inequalities does not recover from this. We are, without doubt, the second worst team in the league. Utter dross from top to bottom.

Were we winning 2-1 when they made the offer?

At 3-2 down did they offer you a guaranteed complimentary Everton mint each game on-top.

What a bunch of wankers.

It was gutting to lose at West Ham, but tonight was really a self-inflicted defeat and if the team had shown some grit and savvy even a point would have ensured that Goodison would have been bouncing on Saturday.

I'm uncertain the Old Lady will be full come the Man Utd game – never mind bouncing – partly due to tonight's result and partly because some will prefer to go to Aintree to watch the elite donkeys jump over fences.

With the available players, there are two things Lampard must immediately do for us to avoid the drop, in my opinion:

One is to bring Begovic in. Pickford will take us down, just as he took Sunderland down. He is simply too erratic. I have never had faith in him. I'm surprised it's taken us this long with him in goal to find ourselves staring into the abyss.

The other is to play Rondon. He must surely be fit by now and has a proven scoring record elsewhere. We simply cannot score goals from outfield play. Even Tosun would be a better option to Calvert-Lewin on current form.

As for the rest of the team, it goes without saying that the defence is a shambles, regardless of which permutation Lampard goes with. In midfield, Doucouré is a joke. The most overrated player on the books. But there are several others vying for that dubious crown.

I've been Iwobi's biggest critic. Although he has shown a little promise in recent games in a more central role, he's not the answer, costing us goals with careless distribution.

Whether we stay up or go down, I see no point whatsoever in sacking Lampard. Contrary to popular belief, managers do not win matches – players do. We need to pull ourselves off the floor and from somewhere find the fight required to stay up.

That Burnley chose exclusively to attack against our right hand side (Kenny).

That his positioning and lack of defensive intelligence made him as culpable for goal 3 as Ben Godfrey. An under 10s right back would defend a throw in better.

As for Peter at 128 complaining about Richarlison running his bollocks off. Well just watch him when he's surrounded by some half decent players next season at whichever club he joins at whatever cut price.

Calvert-Lewin is not crap. He has limitations but he also had incredible strengths. If your full back are completely incapable of putting a cross into the box during an hour and a half of football, then unfortunately it leaves Calvert-Lewin with nothing to attack.

In a regime that sees Everton keep Digne and never sanction the signing of a 9-stone left-back from Ukraine, then we might well see the odd ball make it beyond the first man towards the penalty spot.

I genuinely fear for the future of the club. We could do a bury and be out of business in 2 seasons.

Off the pitch, we are owned by an oligarch's front man. Without doubt, we will be under investigation over financial irregularities.

Kenwright and his cronies can't run a piss-up in a brewery.

The academy is an old boys club that is more interested in self-preservation than innovation.

The first team are full of mercenaries that have no self-pride, heart or bottle.

We are in terminal decline.

Bill, if you love the club, in the name of god, go.

If he came and kept us up, I would give him the gig for next season as well and just try and stabilise us.

Forget Dobbin, for whatever reason Frank will not give him a starting place, so that leaves Rondon, someone who has been in relegation scraps before and will at least have a go.

Anyway, look on the bright side – Michael Keane is available again for the next match, we really are in the shit.

Too late. Rondon should have been playing tonight.

I'm in. We still have a chance but it is slim – and None and Slim looks like he's waiting for the bus until Frank gets it together.

“The inability to concentrate for 90 minutes is shocking, and this is a vital part of being a pro.”

It is painfully shocking, Peter N, and so very, very hard to comprehend.

That said I really cannot see where this pathetic team will win a game. Frank needs to do something drastic as picking the same useless idiots each week is clearly not working.

Defensively we are a joke, we really cannot defend. Midfield has been a shambles and our forwards cannot score in open play. It does not bode well.

There will be plenty of time for finger-pointing and inquisitions but letting James Rodriguez leave the club and then Lucas Digne is beyond belief.

Oh for Ancelotti's zombie football now, eh?

Moshiri has ploughed millions Iinto the club. Most supporters wanted Martinez out. Moshiri sacked him.

We all believed Koeman was the man for the job. Who got him sacked? We did.

Again we thought Silva was the real deal. Who got him sacked? We did.

All Moshiri was doing was spending millions and listening to the fans.

Unfortunately we have sunk that low.

We are, without doubt, the most badly run football team in world football, on and off the pitch. It's finally catching up with us.

There is still a chance – and I won't stop believing – but it does not look good.

All season, with this totally inadequate bunch of so-called professionals, I have felt that we were heading back 68 years. We might well become another Sunderland, a once-great club that sinks and sinks.

Our great fans don't deserve this. I am proud of our away fans and they, particularly, don't deserve this. But the hierarchy of the club certainly do deserve what's coming.

Goodison might have some empty seats on Saturday, but I'm just hoping we don't leave the stadium on Saturday afternoon with empty hearts, Barry, mate.

Same mistakes week on week, and we are zero goal threat. Our only goals are from either flukey deflections, own goals, or penalties. We lack discipline, we lack passion, we lack anything.

If I were a neutral and were asked which team deserves to go down, it would absolutely be this shambles.

I think half of them actually don't care, they know they won't be there next season anyway.

The reasons are multiple, but this is a dark, dark moment. Can't see us coming back from this, can't see Lampard making it to the end of the season.

Every single one of the players are a disgrace to the shirt.

Disgraceful the repeat basic mistakes and lack of verbal communication, every game.

Everton could have scored 6, if we had any interested forwards.

Richarlison, has an EFC Heart and now Calvert-Lewin has a GQ magazine career.

No more from me, on Calvert-Lewin as he's no longer motivated, imo.

Each to their own.

Fortress Goodison, and win what's left at home.

Then win at Watford, Leicester and our old ground.

UTFT!

This shit is bad enough without posters going after one another needlessly.

I mention Kenny committing and getting beaten for the second goal. For the third goal, it looked to me like he was marking Rodriguez, who took the throw-in; if he moved to mark Taylor, then a quick pass to Rodriguez could have put him in unchallenged down the left.

I don't blame Kenny for the third – he was trying to mark someone, which not enough of our players try to do!

Godfrey who many had been trumpeting as a future mainstay at the centre of our defence was panic stricken when the ball came at him, swings widely and misses only for the ball to strike his standing leg and rebound straight to the Burnley man who crosses with ease.

I'm not sure where this optimism in Godfrey comes from, he can't head a ball and his positional sense is none existent at times. I doubt he will ever make it in that position, problem is he was bought to play there. To his credit, he has deputised well at left back when needed but I fear he is more of a utility player than regular starter. Sadly, that is the case for most of the team.

Richarlison was outstanding; however, when his batteries began to run dry all hope was lost. Finally, Rondon came closer to scoring during his brief cameo than Calvert-Lewin managed all night. I we continue to rely on his scoring talents in front of goal we're finished if we're not already.

Clearly our failings at the back are not all down to Keane as many would have us believe. Everything about the club since the appointment of Koeman reminds me of the demise of the Leeds team all those years ago.

The useless board apparently pay themselves more than all but two in the league. If we go down, as now seems likely, we will be down for a long time. It took Leeds 16 years to get back.

The whole club is rotten from the board down and, till they all go, and I mean all, we won't recover.

A very sad day.

Yeah, mate, when in any doubt as to who has been the cancerous constant for Everton's demise, it's always best to blame the fans! Give my regards to Billy Boy won't you?

As it happens, I don't think the players showed a lack of heart or desire, they were just not good enough to do their jobs as well as we and they would have liked.

The two away performances this week have been so much better, but unfortunately the outcome was all too familiar and tonight's defeat was extremely damaging.

Good luck at Goodison.

Both were whipped out of the club by the fans, ably assisted by players who downed tools and who thought they were good enough just to pick them up again when it suited.

We are not blameless.

Dyche couldn't make a defence out of these players. As football basically comes down to character when ability is stripped back. Dyche works with characters.

Everton have a squad full of reputations and no characters. Dyche wouldn't have any of these players. Maybe Richarlison... and some on here astonishingly think he's shit.

I definitely agree about Pickford, I now the defence is a disaster zone but when was the last time he kept a clean sheet?

When was the last time you went the game and walked out at the end and said to yourself “wow wasn't Pickford brilliant today”?

He's not alone, mind you I could say the same about all of them. Aso maybe if we hadn't have got rid of Silva and gave him time, he might've been able to progress us cos he did have some promising moments.

One things for sure: we've got worse since we got shut of him, bar Carlo's season. Please, Blues, please get us out of this big massive hole you've put us in.

I don't know what you're watching but it increasingly looks to me like it doesn't matter who our manager is; these players are showing week after week (and for the last few seasons) that they are liable to fold under any sort of pressure.

They do not learn. They do not change. The victory against Newcastle was a false dawn. These players are cowards who do not believe in themselves. I wish it wasn't so, but the evidence is in front of us.

Well said and some nice behind-the-scenes stuff about Burnley. I personally always find myself checking how they're doing, they're my favourite underdogs.

Seriously man, who among the fans said go get Benitez? Moshiri appointed Benitez and Lamptard in succession. That's game, set and wretch.

Can't blame Frank? Okay, maybe... but don't blame the one guy making the decisions? Fucking madness that.

Everton never fail to let you down. For the past few weeks I've tried so hard to distance myself from this club I've loved for the past 45 years. I've tried not to be bothered anymore, tried to stop constantly reading ToffeeWeb posts, avoided other media news, and even questioned watching them.

How do I Ignore all the messages tonight I've received ridiculing this once great club, joyful of our current position and praying for us to go down, even from Spurs fans, Geordies, Mancs as well as Championship Club fans! Delighted they are... I'm trying not to be arsed but it's just not working and I feel physically sick

I was once evicted from the ground when sat in the Exec seats and close to Kenwright around 2010, can't remember exactly which year when I challenged him at half time after a shocking first half performance and I told him to get out of our club! He didn't like being confronted and therefore I was escorted out of the stadium.

He should of gone years ago, I can't believe this clown is still here, we are where we are as the club is being run by unprofessional muppets who are completely out of their depth. Also, I can't forgive him for the Kings Dock and Kirby fiascos but appointing Benitez will go down as the worst decision this club has ever made.

Kenwright you have outstayed your time by many years, please just leave. You are not wanted nor welcome.

With 5 homes and a winnable away fixture at Watford, I still believe we have a chance to pull off a great escape and, whether we do or not, Kenwright has to go, once and for all.

"We are a wank stain of a team run by a clueless coach and a prolapse of a board, and owned by an idiot. "

Take a bow mate, you've perfectly summed it up in one succinct line.

I really thought we'd get at least a point tonight. Deluded. Sad. I want the days between the remaining games to fly by in the wink of an eye. I can't stand the waiting to see what the gods finally have in store for us.

We could have played with 2 goalies tonight. A defence so weak and so error-prone would still concede a bag full.

We will convincingly get beat by Man Utd on Saturday. Whether Pickford, Begovic, Southall or Buffon is in goal.

Our defence is a joke.

Earlier, you were saying we should get Fat Sam back, now you're saying Eddie Howe. Either way, we were better off last season when you spent the whole time wanting Carlo sacked for being defensive. Is Fat Sams “defensive” easier on the eye than Carlo's?

And Howe was able to sign who he wanted at Newcastle. Rafa had El Ghazi, Patterson and Mykolenko thrust on him but some combination of the owner, chairman and the already departed DOF.

Colin Malone,

Yes, fans are fickle (see above) but as a leader (owner or Chairman), you don't hold a plebiscite after every game. Moshiri made an unpopular decision to hire Rafa... then, in a few months, fired him based on such a plebiscite.

Back him or don't, hire him or don't. He and Kenwright run the show, not me, you or Ian Edwards. They are the screw-ups. John Moores wasn't always popular but he didn't care and he made us successful.

'For the past few weeks I've tried so hard to distance myself from this club I've loved for the past 45 years. I've tried not to be bothered anymore, tried to stop constantly reading ToffeeWeb posts, avoided other media news and even questioned watching them.'

I went to my first game in September 1961 and the last few years have left me so despondent that I am almost in a state of mental paralysis. My wife wonders where all my passion has gone. 'Ground into the dust.'

My dad and his brothers coped with the relegation in the mid-fifties, when the finances and player recruitment were very different than today. With all these debts, we will be the next Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday etc.

What will do my head in is when the season is out and the prevalent sound around Goodison is escaping rats!

As an old fart with heart trouble, it never occurred to me that I would see EFC relegated with so little pride and effort in my lifetime!

By the end of the 2nd transfer window we had brought in the footballing genius of a manager, Frank Lampard, plus Van de Beek, Dele Alli and El Ghazi! In what way is that taking the predicament seriously?

I am sure the clowns running Everton think relegation will never happen to this club. I have had no faith that we would win our home matches against the better clubs, I felt more effort should have been made away from home where the pressure to win is less.

I don't think even big Sam will save us but surely we have to do something?

The coaching staff have to be accountable as appointed by the Everton board. Kenwright to a large degree, but the manager and his coaches are responsible for the lark on the park, where it counts, not Kenwright, as so many say. Basic coaching fact and rule.

There's nothing there but cowards and shit bags who don't care for EFC

Jonjoe Kenny should be delivered to the Championship and beyond as his professionalism for EFC is now sadly a myth.

Hope eternal.

I'm curious which 3 players we've got worth keeping? Richarlison is a gimme but who else – maybe Gordon? Even if he ever put a corner past the first defender for the first time in his career, Calvert Lewin would mis-time his jump anyway, so what's the point? Can't even think of a 3rd player worth keeping to be honest.

Full respect to Tony Abrahams and others on here who somehow manage to hold on to hope despite everything this shower of shite have shown us.

Maybe I'll feel better tomorrow but relegation seems inevitable to me right now, I'm drowning my sorrows at the Tipsy Moose pub at 1864 Danforth, if any Toronto blues want to drop in – I'm buying. Be prepared for an earful of misery though!

To be brutally honest, I don't think Frank has a clue how to get this poor squad to grind out points away from home. We are worse than ever. We needed a more experienced man to see us through this season.

We can only hope in the remaining home games we come up against a couple of teams who have nothing to play for.

We are not going to go down just by a lack of quality but organisation. We played Burnley, Burnley FC, who are below us! Is it too late? No! However the hole is deeper.

The board did what we asked for, spent millions, sacked many managers. There are many reasons for this predicament but the post mortem comes at the end of the season.

Options are Frank resigns or asks for an advisor, such as Sam Allardyce, to come in as a football consultant.

This now calls for Plan B to try one last throw of the dice to have another perspective on getting points on the board. It's a nothing to lose option. It may not save us but we must change something.

My last point about tonight is confidence is rock bottom and we go ahead 2-1. It creates its own anxieties for players, mistakes are likely to happen. That's when Plan B comes in, players protecting each other gives reassurance. Hopefully it's not too late.

However, not wishing to clone Frank here, but we still have 27 points to play for. Perhaps 11 points would see us staying up. We cannot just roll over – that would be unforgivable.

There is still timeto get a bit old-fashioned. Put the strongest possible combination through the spine of the team from now on.

Begovic,
Coleman, Keane, Branthwaite, Mykolenko
Gordon, Doucouré, Allan, Godfrey, Richarlison
Rondon.

Only playing ugly will get us out of this – we have to go down the Sam route.

No manager could be expected to save us having been appointed just 2 days before the January transfer window ended, the owner/board having chosen that crucial month to be managerless.

Lampard is all too convenient to the real wank-stains in the present boardroom and Monaco to be depicted as a realistically culpable facet.

They are, entirely and consistently, still being "led" for nigh on 30 years, as Moshiri allows, by the worst owner/chairman we've ever had by miles.

The real wank-stains have turned the club into a sluice of mental and physical ineptitude, on ludicrously expensive lengthy contracts with zero accountability ever, regardless of performance at every level.

But let's blame Frank alone, eh? Moshiri and his useless minions will just pray we all do.

They where in my thoughts this week and during the game. Everton where top of the tree at that time and I found their dedication outstanding.

I remembered collected football cards in the 70s when Burnley where in the First Division. I suspect that those alive are still getting treated with respect. Some of them where probably at the game.

There is something honest about Burnley that Everton have lost, though Evertonians have remained the same over the years. I thought that relegation would have done some good, before the Wimbleden game, that time. Wonder how the fan that kissed the centre spot is to night.

What an absolute disgrace of a team we have...

£700 million.

To try and cheer you up, I recall that the season after we were last relegated, we were nervous about dropping down another division, but then we regrouped and the final two seasons in Division 2, were amongst the best I saw of the team.

We became a goal machine, with Eglington scoring 5 in one match and Parker and Hickson both hitting 30 goals in a season, whilst Jimmy O'Neill made some great saves in goal (was he a relation of yours, Danny?)

So, as the song says... "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" — We still have Luvvy Bill to look after us!!!

The darkest hour is always that before the dawn….. once more into the breach, Evertonians, once more.

When Saturday comes…

The same player was on the baseline tonight. (Why? He was supposed to be in midfield.) No opposing players near him and he thumped the ball aimlessly away straight to a Burnley player directly leading to the second goal (2 Everton players got the blame).

The same player half-intercepted the crossing Man City ball causing it to be misdirected away from Keane and Man City scored.

Add them up: 3 points from West Ham, 1 to 3 points against Burnley and and 1 to 3 points against Man City (assuming a penalty is given).

His passing is truly abysmal and he instilled panic in all areas. Frank, please drop Holgate against Wolves.

Sorry but I do think tonight's result is once again Lampards fault. Think back to our 3-1 win this season, the goals were lightning fast, not slow passing; that is why Man City and Liverpool have difficulty beating Burnley at Turf Moore.

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But I do think it would have staved off relegation. Add Digne back into this team. Play to our attacking strengths rather than our defensive weaknesses as Benitez was. And remove the toxic atmosphere at the club.

That would have been worth enough points. And we didn't need that many.

This current team is crap but there is plenty of crap in the league. It should have been good enough to at least stay in the division. Today we got done by a team with 34 year old Aaron Lennon playing a starring role. Just let that sink in. We have enough players who were good enough to be able scramble the points we needed.

Now I think it's just all too late.

It is now so desperate that people are calling for an evidently useless Rondon to replace a no less useless Calvert Lewin. Maybe next year in Div 2...

1st 6 games of next season

Away V Wigan
Home V Blackpool
Home v Millwall
Away v Bristol City
Home v Stoke City
Away v Norwich

A pretty picture it paints does it not. Some players who should be moved on won't be due to the wages EFC pays them. Recruitment will be key. I wish Kevin Thelwell luck with that.

The defence will be based around Begovic, Kenny, Mylolenko, Nkounkou, Keane, Holgate and Branthwaite, Lonergan, Virginia.

Pickord, Mina and Godfrey will leave. Seamus retires.

Midfield

Davies, Doucoure, Iwobi, Gbamin, Gordon, Gomes, Onyango, Dele Alli, Price

Allan, Delph, Siggy will leave. So should Dele Alli but I doubt he will given his wages.

Forwards

Gray, Townsend, Dobbin, ( Broadhead ?).

Richarlson, DCL, Rondon, Tosun, El Ghazi, will leave.

Manager : Wayne Rooney.

I can't see Moshiri keeping Frank on and Wayne will be available and the orgasmic pick of BK, to unite all blues or so he will think.

Sorry to be so bloody negative but having seen the upcoming fixtures and who our relegation rivals have got we are going down.

I said in another thread after the WHU result that I could see EFC letting in 3 or 4 against a Burnley side who can't score and have won twice at home all season. I said it because that's the way EFC are right now. It gave me no pleasure to witness it coming true but a Leopard never changes it spots. I dared EFC to prove me wrong. They didn't. However I challenge them to prove me wrong about them being relegated as I want us to stay up so badly it hurts, So do it EVerton FC, fight and stay up. I dare you !!

"DCL is not crap. He has limitations but he also had incredible strengths."

He wets his pants everytime he's one-on-one with a keeper, this isn't good for striker.

Granted at his best he's athletic and can poach a goal, "Incredible strengths" ????

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Burnley are rank.

We'll finish 17th and we'll stay up, being one of the most feeble sides to avoid the drop for decades. Lucky for us there's three worse teams, who've left it too late to save themselves.
I don't know why everyone has been so worried about these upcoming fixtures, I'd rather play top half of the table Clubs, and especially Leicester (twice) who are a very beatable wishy-washy team.
Don't give up.
We are not in the relegation zone!
Wake up and get real abbot the situation.

Wherever we up end next season there has to be a clearout of this bunch of bottlers and those who spend more time in the treatment room than out on the pitch.

Have any other clubs had so many players who've missed more than half a season or more and that's not including the one who can't be named for legal reasons?

Burnley and Watford are capable of scoring. They've also got a bit of fight. And better fixtures (Watford even get to play us at Vicarage Rd).

In our last 7 league matches we've managed 4 goals. 2 were penalties tonight. In many of those games we haven't had more than 1 or 2 shots on target.

We don't have the bravery to get out of this situation. Even the lauded Newcastle win was a crap performance salvaged by a late winner.

This is really dire mate.

I read an interview with Peter Crouch last month about Stokes relegation. He said they thought they were too good to go down and remembers losing and the manager saying “we've still got 9 games left.” Then it was 8,7 and so on, suddenly they needed to win the last three games and didn't. Don't know if you've seen Franks recent interviews but a couple of games back he rationalized “we still got 11 games left.” Tonight same sentence only it was 9, same starting point as Crouch's old boss.

Who's turn will it be Saturday to Fuck it up ….. Ronaldo will have field day

Everton have been the worst team in Europe since the 1st of October.
[7 months & counting]

The 12 points that have been picked up since that date is the fewest among all teams in Europe's Top 5 Leagues.
Source: The Everton end.

The first six points of that run came from 13 games including 7 home matches. Frank has lost too many, however, his six points have come from 9 games of which 4 have been at Goodison.

A total of 22 games and only a dozen points accrued - that is the sorry state of our season since the beginning of October 2021. Compared to the great start of 13 points from half-a-dozen matches.

It could be argued that a more experienced manager may have done more in the time Lampard has been in place, but I don't think that is the case with this set of players, they have picked up the fatal habit of losing and it's the most difficult habit to break.

There are definitely moments of panic, but I'm not letting Godfrey off the hook that easily.

He miskicked that cross for one reason. He wasn't paying attention for the few seconds before it. The ball goes out with hardly a Burnley player in our half. So he switches off, looks away and by the time the cross comes in he's still moving backwards rather than being in a position to attack the ball.

I coach my U13s to not do this. The ball goes out - you get yourself positioned urgently. It was unforgiveable.

I rate Lampard but to be honest even if Mike Walker was boss now I'd give him a free pass. Koeman was hounded out of here and immediately had success with an on paper lousy Dutch team. Ditto Silva who's laughing his was to success at Fulham. Certain elements harassed Carlo who breezed past Chelsea tonight with the lowest budget bunch of no names and has beens I've ever seen at Real Madrid. Then there's Fat Sam, got the dead cat bounce but soon enough suffered the ignominy of a thrashing at Moyes West Ham. What do they all have in common? Pickford, Kenny, Coleman, Keane, Holgate and DCL. That core group supplemented by muppets bought by DOFs or Moshiri. Jesus Christ himself could manage this team and find on Good Friday he had 12 Judases waiting to betray him and his water instead of turning into wine had turned into expired slops of Carling Black label regurgitated from the drip tray. Absolute shambles. Fans sing the Coleman 60 grand song, how about the Keane 70 grand A WEEK SONG! If we sack Frank all we are doing is wasting more money on payoffs. If this bunch of losers survive somehow then all we are doing is delaying the inevitable unless we get a new board and tell the perennial losers to fuck off. Even today, Unsie is waxing lyrical over Charlie Whitaker. He might do OK but this is the same man who told us Beningame, Feeney, Walshe, Dowell, Bowler etc were future stars. It's time for a Spanish Inquisition type clear out. All the board, all the academy coaches and Lord Haw Haw David Prentice can all do one.

Firstly their goals. The first Holgate was the man nearest the scorer but made no effort to contest the header, didn't even get off the ground.
The second Kenny was skinned but nobody made any effort to get over and make it difficult for the Burnley man. Godfrey, the nearest, rooted himself to the spot in the six yard box as did the rest of the defence and then Branthwaite, who until then was having a very good game just seemed to let the ball roll past him rather than try to clear.
The third Pickford, on his wrong foot, makes a mess of the clearance and then again the defence roots itself inside the six yard box with no marking and no attempt to get to the ball or make it difficult.

At the other end we don't seem to have anyone any good at a one on one situation or even capable of shooting on target or trying a first time shot. We should have been at least one more in front before they got their second. And it was a mistake taking Gordon off as he really troubled their defence when he ran at them while Gray offered very little. Even that said, we had the chances.

Holgate was a complete waste of space for whatever he was supposed to be doing. Doucouré didn't have the best of games and if he wants to celebrate Ramadan (a worthy idea) then he should apply for unpaid leave but what time does the sun go down? And if anyone offers 40,50 or 60M for Calvert-Lewin then take it as he seems to have lost whatever we thought he had.

On that game and even with 9 to go I can't see us avoiding relegation now, the bright side of which will be clearing the debt as anyone worth keeping will bale out, fortunes in transfer fees in and wage bill to rock bottom and nil TV coverage although we will qualify for the FA Cup where we will be considered a possible banana skin for Premier League clubs!

I'd go so far as to say, "if they don't want to leave because of their salaries, sack them anyway and argue the case through the courts in regard to compensation. Many of them are so gutless they would probably lie down and cry, anyhow."

OMG the world has gone crazy. If people don't do the job for which they were employed the club should be able, in law, to get rid. Has anybody on here actually seen a player contract? Surely, there are some demands based on the player's performance? ??????????????????

OMG again. The lady next door was right when she said, "Life's a bitch and then you die".

To go from 2-1 up at half time against a team that hasn't score a goal in 500 or so minutes and then lose 3-2 takes some doing. It does massive damage to us practically and psychologically whilst also boosting one of our two main relegation rivals.

The end certainly seems nigh but the football Gods are an unpredictable bunch. Other than City and Liverpool there are a plenty of teams in this league capable of having a horrendous day at the office (which it must be to lose to us).

My thoughts are with the fans who have had to endure this in person. I'm not at all convinced that things are to get any better but stranger things have happened.

Moshiri is the problem. He can't stick to a strategy, blocked the return of Moyes, (yes ginger haters, that was the worst call Moshiri has ever made whilst he's owned us) and chose to buy much of the dross we see on the pitch himself.

Moshiri reaps what he sows. We fans just suffer the consequences of his ineptitude.

Championship nailed on now.

Apart from the obvious damage points-wise, last night has sent a message to all future Clubs with our remaining fixtures " we are almost a walkover, and there for the taking ". Of the players who started the match there is only one I would seriously keep, Anthony Gordon.

The rest are a bunch of grossly overpaid gutless pretenders, and what happens, AG gets subbed ?

As for the most expensively assembled pile of shite in football history, a team of 9 year old schoolgirls wearing wellies can kick a ball better than most of our wasters. That's the ones who actually make it onto the pitch instead of injuring themselves putting their boots on.

They should shut Finch Farm and use it for storing toxic waste - they won't need to apply for change of use planning permission cos that's all we've kept there for years.

Off for some emergency sedation now.

When we first got Ben Godfrey, I was shocked at the price, but after seeing him play a few games, I thought his bursts of speed would soon be complimented by better positioning and defending, another who has stagnated under different Managers.

He should've been given the job at the end of the season where there would be less pressure and a chance to add his own players that suited how he wanted to play if that is the route the club wanted to take.

Pickford showed with their first goal why he shouldn't be starting. He just does not command the area at all. He flaps at anything coming into the box at height and just appears jittery all the time, putting further panic into an already shit defence.

I can't see us picking up anything more than a point at home to Brentford and Palace this season. I honestly think we'll end up 19th.

We could probably use the Trade Descriptions Act 1968 as a get-out clause.

Go down, rip it all up and start again could actually be a good thing for Everton in the long run. If Everton stayed up, would you trust this lot to go on and avoid this ever happening again? I absolutely wouldn't.

Very True

I want absolutely revolutionary (and outright angry!) fan protests starting on Saturday, and aimed at removing everyone including Lampard, Kenwright, Unsworth, et al, HOWEVER, I think the home games are the only slim chance we have of a miracle survival.

I want Lampard out, he's an idealistic ex-player, not a leader of men, nor any kind of master tactician. However, I can't see anyone (even Fat Sam) suddenly coming in and fixing anything with this squad. My only hope would be Duncan, but if he were up for it, we wouldn't have Frank right now.

I want nearly every player dropped immediately and replaced with hungry youth players, HOWEVER we just don't have them in the positions we need. (How bad is that!!!).

……every which way you turn there is a problem to every solution. Don't think there is any choice now but to buckle in, hope for a miracle, and in the event we go down make sure all 3 wants above are achieved. Anyone who states “we need the fans behind us to get back up to premier league” next year can fuck off. I'll be there, but without all 3 of the above I'm going to be the loudest boo in the ground.

It's a really poor Everton team that should be a grim, sub mediocre lower mid table. However, the continuing litany of amateur mistakes is breathtaking. These are supposedly Elite professionals and we have the 8th highest wage bill in the Premier League. How can these players make such schoolboy errors with such alarming regularity? These mind numbing errors are what will ultimately get us relegated. They must stop now to give us a fighting chance.

Of course there are way bigger issues on the playing side, the structure of the team, the quality, the recruitment ,a settled formation and identity of playing. But for now it's the raw basics of football that are killing the club. Get Allan back, get Mina back, cut out the mistakes, beat Man Utd at Goodison, then we will have a 50/50 chance of survival.

I refuse to give up until it's impossible, I expect every fan and player to fight for it. Anything less wont be good enough.

No white flags here. We may have been led by donkeys but our fans are the best in football. Our away support is incredible especially throughout these hard years . It's the only source of strength and pride we have left. Regroup and battle, no surrender, this is Everton.

Like many have said this has all happened on Kenwright's watch, yet he sits in the best seat in the house having dined on Fillet Steak and Lobster, washed down with the best wine, a pocketful of cash in his back pocket from eventually snaring a mug in Moshiri.

Where he gets to carry on as Chairman ?

It beggars belief, or should do, no matter which side of the fence you sit on, this is the most precarious position I have ever seen Everton in, in almost 60 years as a supporter. What a nightmare scenario !

His religion dictates that he fasts for Ramadan. How on earth can a so-called 'box-to-box' Premiership midfielder maintain his energy levels for 90 minutes if he is fasting. It's ludicrous.

If I were a professional footballer and my contract allowed me to fast when my religion required me to do so, I would not expect to be selected. Saying that, the way Doucouré has shaped for most of the time in an Everton shirt, fasting or not, he has neither the alertness nor the vision for top-flight football.

Yes, the whole team is riddled with blame, but the reason I've singled him out is because he seems to be an automatic choice who few fans criticise. It is that fact which baffles me.

Here's someone who was deemed not good enough 5 years ago yet hangs around until all the better players have gone and is now in the team. Because there's no-one else left.

There is a complete lack of football knowledge within the club yet the rot has been allowed to fester for years and anyone who indicated it years ago was ignored, ridiculed or censored. It leads to this. Disaster.

Make no mistake, the buck stops with Kenwright. He brought everyone in including Moshiri and cut out all dissension. Kenwright lied. People wouldn't believe it. Now, it's too late.

That defence can't keep a club up. It just can't.

We need to sack Lampard and bring in a team including Joe Royle as a desperate last-chance hail Mary. It may not work but neither will anything else.

The Live Forum…..”Get Big Sam back”!!! Christ on a bike, Allardyce is unemployed for a reason. He's shite. We couldn't wait to see the back of him. Yet now he's the Messiah.

No one can get a tune out of our overpaid wasters.

EXCLUSIVE - Everton board expected to hold emergency meeting over the future of Frank Lampard🔵

No decision made yet

The thought of relegation is going to make me violently sick. Can we get out of this mess, who knows, but I / we simply have to believe we can. We cannot throw in the towel while we are still above that dreaded line, and with twenty seven points still to play for. Many posters have got us relegated already. Fair enough, that's their view and I'm not going to argue with it, but for the next nine games, until we're either safe or down, all I ask is for everyone on here to show some backing for the team.

There's no point in analysing the game last night. It's gone. The only thing I will comment on is yet again the fantastic support of the fans. We do not deserve relegation. The backing was constant right up until their winner, when it suddenly felt as if someone came along and knocked every one of us clean out. I've never known a coach journey back home to be so quiet.

I really am struggling for words here. Maybe I'm talking gibberish as I watch the rain lash down. However, I cannot and will not believe we are going down.

1) Frank selects only on effort in training….not ability in matches.

2) We can't afford the £10m initial payment if we go down.

And in terms of ‘over Holgate' because we need at least one tackler in the middle. Whatever Ali is, it ain't a tackler.

I think we should play Godfrey there. He would offer better protection to our centerbacks with his pace and athletisism. He would also be a threat going forward with those attributes. From Saturday on, I would play Godfrey on RB, Keane and Branthwaite CB and Myko on LB. If Mina would ever get fit, I would play him instead of Keane.

My team for Man U would be:

--------------------Begovic---------------------
Godfrey--Keane--Branthwaite--Myko
----------------------Allan-----------------------
--------VanDeBeek-----Doucoure--------
Gordon---------------------------------Richy
---------------Calvert-Lewin-----------------

We must start winning now, and we can't keep on giving cheap goals away through mistakes... Football is a lot about decisionmaking on the pitch, far too many players are making too many poor decisions at the moment... We need to make better decisions.

Parasites like Delph, Tosun, and he who can't be named for legal reasons will all be off the books. Players like Moise Kean, and Gbamin who are just not good enough will be sold. And then the likes of Pickford, Mina, Allan, and probably DCL and Richarlison will be sold probably for decent money.
Rondon will be gone, along with Van Der Beek, El Ghazi and likely Alli.

Players like Keane, Holgate and even Tom Davies could still be with us sadly - some we just won't be able to move on but the Championship could be their level.

We'll be left with the bare bones of youth and players who want to be there playing in blue and could give us the opportunity to rise again like a new blue phoenix. Defence next year could be Patterson, Godfrey, Branthwaite and Mykolenko - all young with something to prove.

Yes I have been drinking to try and avoid the depression!!

Rob @ 237
I feel your pain, the crowd will try and motivate the team on Saturday, possibly because it's United in town, but it won't be easy for any of us to pick ourselves up following last night. Relegation is like that brown envelope that sits on the mantlepiece, you know it's a bill and you know you have to pay it, but you try and put it to the back of your mind, until the very last minute, hopefully, Everton's brown envelope is a get out of jail card.

Yeah I agree and I will be staggered if we change manager again unless its just pure panic from the owner.

Lots of rumours on twitter now saying Moshiri is on his way to England

My team for Man U would be:

--------------------Begovic---------------------
Godfrey--Keane--Branthwaite--Myko
----------------------Allan-----------------------
-----------Gordon-------Doucoure--------
Gray------------------------------------Richy
---------------Calvert-Lewin-----------------

I have to look at myself as a fan though. For years, I was saying how the likes of Neville, Osman, Kilbane, Naismith etc. weren't good enough for where we aspired to be. I'd kill to have those kinds of players in this team. Yes. Even, Phil Neville. He was a journeyman footballer but at least he looked like he cared and would get stuck in. We now have too many examples of a certain player at Everton who think they've made it. They've got the Premier League contract. The big house. The fast cars. The lavish lifestyle off the back of doing something they enjoy. It doesn't hurt them because they don't have to go to work and face RS fans season after season. They're just trotted out in front of the press to give us what we want to hear. Empty words.

We're running out of must-win games. The Villa home match under Dunc. Newcastle away. Wolves at home. Burnley away. Since October, we're the worst team in Europe, on form. We deserve to go down. I think only Norwich are worse, and they beat us at their place.

Maybe relegation is what we need in order to reset the entire club, from top to bottom. What we don't want is another manager coming in and giving the dross yet another chance to show what they can do. Get shut of all of 'em apart from Gordon and Richarlison (the latter will be off, anyway).

Sad times.

It also has to be noted that avoiding relegation was never the first thing that the fans were looking for, we were ambitious for the club and that's why players such as Neville et al were deemed not good enough, of course the character of those players would be invaluable right now, but how we got into this position is beyond reason.

Why not is my thinking. Let's go down kicking and screaming if we have to.

Frank had the International. break to prepare Everton for a relegation dogfight. He hasn't done that, just stuck with his open attacking football.

He was presented with the opportunity at the start of the second half to close down the game. He persisted with open attacking football, even his too late Subs where put on to continue with open attacking football.

I know that there were glaring errors, but Burnley had the momemtum. Who handed them that on a plate?. The Everton Manager. I agree Everton and Frank should not be in this situation.

But when you look at it in terms of survival and panic, with the powers that be at Everton in charge, Frank is a goner today or Everton is a goner as far as the Premiership is concerned.

No doubt nightmare maker Bill, who should of gone 10 years ago, has been having daily meetings with Lampard spreading his bankrupt philosophy at the worst possible time in our history, no wonder we are in such a mess with no way out.
We need a new owner and a complete reset to even begin the long journey back to respectability.

If we go down, I would like to see him given the chance to build something in the Championship, with a bulk of good youth players coming through. It would be exiting to see what Lampard could develop from scratch with these players.

Given gametime in the Championship, a lot of them could thrive... Patterson, Welch, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Onyango, Warrington, Price, Dobbin, Gordon, Simms. Whitaker, Mills and Okoronkwo are also looking promising...

But let's hope it doesn't go that far, and that they can be blooded in gradually in the PL instead... We're not relegated yet...

Its the faithful who can do it at Goodison. But they do not need Frank's naive tactics if they are to stand a chance. Duncan will set them up in the typical do or die formation, like a brick shithouse, that the faithful can get behind.

Agree with you regarding Frank, . Finch Farm is not the place for his honest methods.

It won't, but it is worrying at the moment given the Clowns we have in charge. We might end up getting relegated out of the Championship.

Are the FFP rules taken seriously in the Championship, anyone?

Personally speaking, on his track record, you can consider Allardyce unlucky to be sacked. I think people would be crying out now for him to return the club, despite 'the football' he plays.

It may have proved better to have gone down on the previous two occasions that we escaped in 94 and 98, but with the current state of the club and its financial plight, only Everton remaining in the top division will give the club any chance to help resolve its current issues.

Numerous posts have said that relegation might do us good, build from the bottom etc. So, dickhead, go stamp your own feet, process our problems your own way, don't rewrite things.

The only positives I can take from last night is that Gordon continues to look great and Richarlison might be regaining a bit of form.

You never know, we might well smash Utd on Saturday...

Anyway...

There are still games to play so we should not give up hope.

I am one of the lucky ones I have been going to Goodison for 67 years so I have seen us win the league titles and Cups, but looking at our supporters faces in the crowd last night was full of young men under 40 who may not have seen us win anything. These fans deserve so much more than they are getting, I doubt there are many clubs given our position would be selling out their full away allocation. I have nothing but massive admiration for these fans and they certainly don't deserve what's happening.

Nearly all season we have complained that we have been on the wrong side of refs and VAR decisions but last night both penalty's were correctly awarded, and fair play Richarlison dispatched both without giving Pope a chance. But as Dyce is reported to have told his players "this lot don't know how to win a game "and sadly he was proven right. We lost because yet again we made mistakes that shouldn't have happened. We all feared an aerial bombardment but it didnt really happen, their first goal was a tap in at the far post, just schoolboy defending. Their 2nd DCL had Tarkowski on the half way line facing his own goal and looking to be in trouble but he allowed him to pass the ball down the line JJ stupidly goes to ground and doesnt get the ball. So their player just ran along the goal line and pulled it back for a tap in. Their 3rd was again our mistake first Pickford fails to clear an easy ball upfield and despite being under no pressure slices the ball out of play. From the throw in they put a poor cross in but Godfrey makes a complete hash of his clearance and it runs to their player to once again pull it back for them to tap in the winner.

For me Godfrey isn't good enough at CB, and JJ isn't good enough at RB, Keane also has a mistake in him so our only reliable defender is Mina who has missed most of the season through injury. Midfield apart from Allan is woeful Doucoure is 6 foot odd yet gets constantly out battled by smaller players and I never feel he has the ball under control, Gomes is finished, Delph never got started. Then up front I have said that DCL is the luckiest man I know to win an England cap he is such a limited footballer, when I think of the very good players who never got a cap for England, for him to be able to call himself an England international is a joke. I said a few weeks back that since Benitez left it seems so did Gray as I have seen nothing like the performances under Lampard that he has produced under Benitez.

Finally to our only shining lights of hope Richarlison and Gordon, these boys ran themselves into the ground and neither deserved to be on the losing side. I was glad Richarlison took the pens as I don't trust DCL with that job.

So where does all this leave us in a terrible mess unfortunately, if we cant hold onto a lead against a team with less points then how will this lot ever believe they can win any of the remaining games. I also feel while he has had to take over such a poor team Lampard cant be absolved of whats happening. I applaud he is trying to change the playing structure be this group are incapable of adopting this new style, so things need changing and quick. I don't care if he is only 80% fit Mina has to play on Sat and Rondon has to start up top. He at least won a header and had a shot thats more than DCL did in the whole game, and put Keane back alongside Mina I know long term he isn't the answer but he plays better when alongside Mina.

Sorry for the rant like all Blues this morning I am fragile and fearing the worst.

Should have thought of Derby. Frank has first hand knowledge. Definitely Frank is a goner today. Thanks for the info Clive. I agree with your verdict. Relegation would be a disaster

My reset deals with the current problem. But a bigger reset is long over due for the whole Club from top to bottom.

So the buck stops with moshiri and kenwright.

Both of them need to go and allow the club to be finally reset and ran like a proper business (instead of trying to be the premiership ahem championship "nice" guys)

Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Burnley. They were decent fighting performances. Not good. But decent. And decent is to be lauded when we're talking about, on long term form, the worst team in the league.

He's finally restored Richarlison to the left wing, where he has always been more effective and has looked more dangerous in the last two games. He actually got Alex Iwobi to work hard. And he's getting some effort out of a group who, in January, looked like they would prefer not to break a sweat.

So I'm behind him. And I don't think the criticism is deserved. I also think the criticisms of the Burnley performance are well off the mark. We actually played ok. Individual mistakes and a lack of quality at key times cost us. But the players had a go. We created chances and should have scored more. It was an underserved loss. Objectively, it really was underserved.

We're stuck with these players. The late sacking of Benitez and late appointment of Lampard ensured there would be no transfer based survival. That's 100% on Moshiri.

So get used to what we've got. Stop calling for him to replace our better players with less proven (or completely proven rank) players. Begovic isn't better than Pickford - what planet are you people on?

He's getting some kind of a tune out of them. And that seemed impossible a few months ago.

Play Pickford, Allan, Richarlison, Gray, Gordon, DCL. I'll even throw ex-international Michael Keane in there.

They, and Frank, are our only hope.

Just numb this morning and there's very little I can find to cheer me up.

For what it's worth, in my opinion, we should not be sacking Lampard who has inherited this collection of misfits. Take a view at the end of the season, for sure but Duncan Ferguson is not the answer, and he I think is the only likely alternative at this point in the season. He may be a rallying cry for any genuine Evertonians at heart who we still have in the squad, but he is not the magician we probably need to stave off the drop any more than Lampard.

I will not - can't countenance it - accept relegation until it is a mathematical certainty - even if it means having to beat Arsenal in our last game. I cling onto the hope that we can at least manage to get the same number of points as the teams below us which would keep us at 17th, and even in my dreams collect 6 more points allowing for our couple of games in hand over Leeds now that Burnley are looking the danger - a danger we could have defused in 90 minutes last night (or actually 30 minutes in truth - that may be the 30 minutes which send us down).

However, we have to stay behind the team - I know we all are, despite our rantings on here - and get stuck into the hierarchy at the end of the season or when our fate is definite for better or worse.

My blood will curdle if/when we manage to stay safe and then have to witness BK's gurning dial or spoken/ written attempts to take any credit.

Being honest I can't see it, we are just so poor in heart mind and spirit all over the field, nobody argueing and urging the others on, no bad tempers with each other just acceptance, heads down and waiting for the final whistle to get off the field and go home.

They had arranged for a day at Aintree today, if they won, they couldn't even fight for that, I think Lampard has cancelled that, if he is still here!!

Waited up,last night for my great grandson coming home from Burnley, first thing he said to me was “ we're shite aren't we grandad ?” Just wished him Goodnight, God bless. He will be there on Saturday along with my two sons, three grandsons and myself, We are down but not out - - - - - -yet. COYFB.

Update: Apparently Jim White has backtracked about Moshiri travelling to Liverpool, he's coming to England but not necessarily the city.

KENWRIGHT OUT

NOW

Yep just seen the update from Jim White apparently he is on a plane but not confirmed he is going to Liverpool

you can't make it up can you!

The only people that can possibly save Everton now are the Goodison fans. They lifted these cowards over the line against Leeds and Newcastle. Maybe just maybe they can do enough in the remaining home games to see us scrape to safety.

No matter what happens, this board need to go along with almost all of the players they have brought to our club.

I honestly thought we played much better last night, than we did in the reverse fixture against Burnley at Goodison, with the only difference being, that the flashes of brilliance that won us the first fixture, were replaced by flashes of incompetence, and that's how we've lost last night.

These players don't even seem to like each other, so It wouldn't surprise me if they don't like Frank Lampard, I also heard they didn't like the last manager either.

Much more revealing is that I've never known so many Evertonians, not like any of this current squad, with - “they make me fucking sick” - being a common sentence uttered, when talking about our current squad.

Rob Halligan you didn't talk jibberish mate, you talked the most common sense I've read. “It's our club - we are the ones who will suffer if Everton get relegated - and that's why the only option we have is to get behind these players - regardless of our true feelings towards at least 90% of them - let the inquest begin immediately once the season is over”

It would not have been pretty, but I suspect it might have yielded 3 points... but we'll never know!

It is all very odd isn't it that Moshiri needs to keep Jim White updated on whats going on in his life possibly and everything to do with Everton FC

Richarlison and Gordon have been praised, but they both should have done much better, from the positions some of our good positive play created.

Bergovic tries to push his defenders out, Pickford doesn't, I could go on all day, but yesterday has gone, and the only thing that matters now, is Manchester United on Saturday.

I said we have had seven managers in seven years, and she said, they've all obviously been signing the wrong players then. Even someone who knows nothing about the game of football, can see this, although it does show the absolute folly of a man I said I'd not mention agains, words.

Well done Bill.

Imagine all those kids at school getting stick off the vile red shites cos Everton lost again and we're getting relegated. It's all on you, you selfish twat. Do the right thing and walk away and take your despicable hangers on with you. Go

Says it all

Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Allardyce, Ancellotti, Benitez and now Lampard. How many of them could organize our defence? Allardyce, although he also got a few drubbings, Ancellotti, although he had to play zombie like football to achieve this, and possibly because we have got so many players inside our club who consecutive managers wouldn't have signed. So much for a director of football, although a dereliction of duty, sounds much more apt.

In all fairness is has been crap since that display against Watford. Come Monday it is likely we will be in the bottom three and two weeks the bottom two with no way back. It have been a glorious 60 years of top flight but sadly this year it comes to an end, the bigger worry is seeing us drop again in 22/23

I still have a problem with Paul Clement. Seen him many times giving instructions from the touchline. Clement came in because Jodi Morris refused. He might be a good behind the scene coach but giving instruction on a match day basis, his record is very poor. Sacked at Derby, Reading, Swansea and recently a struggling team in Belguim, Circle Brugge K.S.V.

I find it difficult to comprehend how, given the financial resources available in recent years, we are now on the verge of a first relegation since 1951. Many contributors to these columns have their own ideas and have not been slow to make these public.

I honestly think that "blame" apportionment serves no useful purpose at this critical time. We must all get behind the team and the current management and give them every ounce of support we can muster. Yes there are tough matches ahead but these represent points still available. There are players either not used at all or only very sparingly this season, who could still rescue us from the relegation trap door. COYB

Although I am as stressed as anyone at the thought of relegation I am starting to think the best thing will be to have a Club I can relate to and feel a part of and whether that is in the Championship or lower it doesn't matter. Without that change through the entire Club then even if we stay up, if the status quo re the Board/owner etc. continues then we will continue to feel the detachment. Not sure on best way to help force change is however and we should have been doing this some time back as it is far too late and we may end up supporting an FC Everton team that is built from the ground up via non league the way things are going as Everton will cease to exist if it continues on the same path as it does today which is the likely way forward given, as McNulty says, the Board seem to pat themselves on the back and think they are doing a fine job

I do hope that the fan protest at the time are so pleased with themselves now,they played a real blinder there...jeez,no doubt there'll be there are Saturday cheering and applauding our shower of shite that pretend to be pros out on to the pitch instead of the stony silence they deserve.

At least Pereira wanted the job,had experience,had won things and was a bit mad to boot...but most of all he would have pissed off Kenwright good and proper too...that for me alone would've been good enough reason to hire him!

Start playing our kids and squad players now,fuck all to lose as it stands...so DO IT.

With 9 games left 4 away that puts a lot more pressure on our home games.
With the threat of relegation,i begin to wonder what would happen to supporters like myself living abroad, would I be able to get a site to watch next seasons games.

It took me 20yrs to get a TV station that showed the premier league games and you only watched who Utd played. The premier league charge astronomical fees to companies for the rites to show it, I don't think that anyone shows the championship games and that will be a lot of fans that that they will loose.

I watch a lot of games as the provider I pay for shows every premier game, what I can say is there are a lot of times that other teams seem to make stupid defensive mistakes but don't lead to goals, but Everton's mistakes usually are punished.That is no excuse as it seems at the bottom you don't get the breaks or the decisions.

Where do we go from here ? Do we fire the manager ? Do we bring in more under 23 players in ? or do we just hope we get all our injuries back and hope other players find their form. ?

Sometimes drastic measures work, but with just a short time left in the season there is no time for recovery.. The firing and clearing out has to be done but get safe first and then do it.

Now we just have to get behind the team and hope the players show our support for them on the pitch..

Fact is if we beat Utd, Leicester and Brentford (all at home) we will stay up. Our next two games are at GP starting of course with Utd, who admittedly are losing grip of 4th but still in the hunt. Win next two then there is no pressure on the trip to them, where I'm sorry to say it will simply be damage limitation.

We recently beat Leeds and the barcodes at home, so why not Utd with a packed GP? Their defence is almost as bad as ours!

Burnley and Watford have only managed 1 win in their last 5 games and Norwich 0, so these teams are not exactly setting the world on fire.

We're not down yet, lets get behind the team on Sat for a game we simply need to win. Batter Utd players, send then back black and blue, then we have a good break until Leicester at home - a team by which time who will be half on the beach with nothing to play for. Do the same again. If we win the next two, yes its an if, then we're practically safe on 31 points with half a dozen odd games to go.

Keep the faith, nows not the time for the Spanish Inquisition - lets leave the lynch mob to June and get safe first.

What I saw in the flesh last night was a team trudging off looking thoroughly defeated and disheartened. No acknowledgment of the travelling support, just what appeared a lot of self pity.

The problems of poor defending, lack of resilience and taking advantage of opportunities were there before Lampard arrived. Unfortunately they are still there after 11 games and there are zero signs of progress, in fact if anything we have got defensively worse.

And if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. It's easy to say if we'd have appointed another manager we'd be alright. Nobody wanted Pierera. Yes, he'd won things, but in inferior leagues, and him going on Sky Sports live looked unprofessional and desperate.

As for his winning CV, it looked very similar to his his compatriot, Marco Silva. They'd won trophies in inferior leagues. I still don't think a novice to English football with that CV would get a tune out of those shithouses.

If you want to play that game why don't you go back and say we should never have appointed Rafa, or we should have brought Moyes back instead of Carlo?!

At this stage I don't think anyone can stop the rot. The team is Frankenstein hodgepodge of shite put together by 6 managers and 2 directors of football, overseen by Billy Smart and his circus, AKA Kenwright & Co!

One thing is for certain, we're not going to have a ton of 'sponsorship' money from a load of USM companies next season. If we also go down, our revenue will completely dry up with only parachute payments being of any note - we'd basically be bankrupt.

We simply cannot go down - we need the prem money just to stay on life support. In addition we need a massive clear out: DCL, Mina, Keane, Pickford, Holgate, Iwobi, Gomez should all be sold, along with the half dozen leaving when their contracts are up. That's around a dozen that can/will go, hopefully. Bring in some seasoned frees who've been around the block just to steady the ship and get organised as a team. Someone like an Evans or Dawson at the back would be a huge improvement to the key stone cops we currently have.

The fact is in his first season I think we finished 7th. His planning for the second season was then thrown off track by having Rooney forced on him - thank BK of that. Koeman at no time wanted Rooney and Rooney's massive wages meant he couldn't sign the forward he actually wanted to. As soon as Rooney joined, the writing was on the wall that year - I for one was against Rooney coming back. Total BK romanticism.

Of the players you list; we will make a massive profit on DCL (who cost us buttons), Sigurdsson was overpriced but was consistently one of our top scorers and assist providers, Bolasie cost a lot but never came back from his bad early injury, Gueye was a great signing. Klasson was a poor signing, never suited to the prem and Keane and Pickford were/are both still very questionable. So some good some bad, but not the disaster being made out and certainly not the reason the club is where it is now. Koeman also left years ago with multiple managers in between (who have not chosen to sell some of these players).

I wholly believe if Rooney had not been brought back that season would have been completely different and Koeman would not have been sacked.

Anyway, we'll never know and it doesn't really matter now.

Sheff Utd
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If we go down we aint coming back in a hurry. We have no money. We will have to sell players. Pickford, Richarlson, Allan, DCL, Godfrey to name a few. Those that will be left, will be on huge wages and won't leave as no one will pay them what we do. Keane, Holgate, are two prime examples.

I just hope that we stay up but Plan B must be put into action now in case we don't. We won't attract players of high calibre whilst in the Championship. Therefore we must look for young players in the main, with a couple of older heads to come in as Captains. Several players will be out of contract come June, who currently play in the Championship. We must scout these players, if we are not already doing so. We need to drastically cut the wage bill - 84% of our total income on wages is not practical and will be illegal in a couple of seasons anyway.

We will need a goalkeeper, right back, centre half ( at least one ), a left back, 2 defensive midfielders, a centre mid and an attacking mid and 2 Centre Forwards.

Two players I have identified for Plan B are:

GK - I wanted Sam Johnson from WBA but he will go into the EPL. So Robin Olsen is available on a free in June from Aston Villa. He will come as he will be the No1.
AM - Alas, I wanted Connor Gallagher. However, there is John Swift, available on a free from Reading. This season he has scored 11 goals with 13 assists in 37 league games. He has missed one game through injury. Reading are 21st in the Championship at present.

If we stay up we will still need a clear out and hopefully some joined up thinking in our recruitment but I won't hold my breath. Good luck Mr Thelwell.

Kenwright OUT !

to rub salt into the wounds Liverpool signing a player!

The chances of the team scoring from open play v making a mistake at the back is certainly much higher for the later. Better to have bodies back to cover rather than leaving the team exposed.

Sorry but I think that's absolute total bollocks - and it's not often I say that (apologies already!). If you want the lads to lose, go ahead. If you want them to win, they'll need the crowd behind them - they'll certainly have the fans behind them.

"Start playing our kids and squad players now,fuck all to lose as it stands...so DO IT."

And again, sorry, but the (other) squad players available last night you can count on the fingers of one hand and have proved nothing previously. And the kids struggle against the likes of Blackburn's U23s (witness Monday's game).

Looking at the big picture through my rear view mirror I think that Marcel Brands saw this coming. He wanted to stop paying big fees and high wages for established players and focus on bringing in younger players who would be financial assets but those above him lacked the patience or nous.

Nowhere have I said that numerous posters CAN'T post, but I have the right to consider their remarks regarding our relegation as being a positive as garbage.
And I believe that promotion from the Championship will not be the relatively easy leap back to the Premier. Once down we, with the fuckwits in charge now, will struggle to gain promotion.

You're the ‘tit' who made it personal, so, go fuck yourself.
Wanker.

It is no coincidence that after the "What a manager" Martinez Kenwright has failed to support every manager and Duncans absence from the bench recently speaks volumes.

This club will never move on under the current board, when we go down ill bet you anything Billy and his cronies are not in the ground to watch it.

The pain I feel for the youngsters in the family and what they are going through due to other people's arrogance and ineptitude is enormous. I keep trying to remember it's only football but it ain't working.

The worst thing happens and we get relegated, then the supporters will force the sacking of the board. They will all have to go and even Moshiri would recognise that.

I wouldn't play the kids for the reasons you mention. If we are relegated before the end of the season I wouldn't play them either. In fact for our last home game I would play Keane, Holgate, Delph (even if he is injured), Gomes, DCL, even bring old Sigurdsson back, then let them have it from the fans.

Frank Lampard retains the full support of owner Farhad Moshiri and Everton's board despite Wednesday night's defeat by Burnley pushing the club closer to relegation.

The Toffees are 17th in the table and now just a point ahead of Sean Dyche's men after throwing away a 2-1 lead at Turf Moor, with Maxwel Cornet's 85th minute strike proving decisive.

Lampard, who has been in charge at Goodison Park for a little over two months, is yet to pick up a point away and has lost seven of his nine Premier League games.

However, despite Everton's miserable record on the road, Sportsmail understands that there is still a strong belief within the club that Lampard can keep them up.

Lampard has Everton backing

Carry on with your pathetic posts. Find someone who gives a shit what a bellend like you thinks. 🖕🏼

He will be like King Lear. Martinez his Cordelia, Moyes and Rooney his Goneril and Regan. He will spin it like he trusted the wrong people and was taken advantage of and that we all were duped during the "great times," we had. Sadly, there will be people who buy it.

I can't blame Lampard. Yes, he's made mistakes but can anyone get a tune out of this spineless bunch? The writing was on the wall last season. Look how we finished it and then this season should come as no surprise.

Relegation would be a disaster for so many reasons but we're not there yet. I predict we'll win at Watford - then the rest is down to Goodison.

Completely and utterly dislusional, with a poor defence and tactics that expose it, just for starters.

Everton Football Dodos on tour.

I have never really been a massive supporter of sacking managers, the only one I've ever really called for is Rafa as I could see in early December thing weren't working, as far as Martinez, Silva, Koeman, etc I was always willing to moan but give him…. Right now… honestly if it was upto me…. Frank would be sacked now and I would be ringing Big Sam up to say…. If you keep us in this league mate I will stick 5 million quid into your bank account. Going down would be a disaster for us. Yet again, I think people aren't taking it seriously, I've seen it coming for months and I've the screenshots from comments I've made that back me up. We can't draw games, nevermind win them, we got an injury time winner against Arsenal with our second shot on target, we got an injury time winner against Newcastle, we have actually got lucky in the games we have managed to win, even the Boreham wood game we were dreadful.

I don't believe anyone that says it's the players etc etc. I truly believe Frank is at fault. He's been playing Kenny, right back, centre back, left back, he sold a goal again last night. He's been playing 5 at the back. He's tactics, subs, formations have been questionable since he came to us. I think he's so far completely out of his depth and I take no pride in saying it but I can only comment on what I can see.

At this rate forget it. We can't draw nevermind win under Frank. I feel we will lose every away game we have left. The home ones…. Well we have United, loss, Leicester, loss, Brentford and Palace who are both on good runs of form… funny that… teams who are being coached to press and never give up… unlike us who look exhausted about 50 minutes in every game.

I'm sorry to say it, Frank out, you've failed.

A lack of quality in all sectors of the team.

I think we are all frustrated at the moment, but going for each others throats is not the answer. After all said and done, I think we all support the same side. Or am I wrong ?

I suppose it's always easy to say what a team should of done after the defeat. My problem is…. At half time?… did anyone not see it coming?

I went to Burnley away, I sat with the Burnley fans and at half time I said to my pal… the danger is here unless we go 3-1 up, they will be up for it, if it goes 2-2 …. We will get beat. Low and behold… boom… it's all too obviously Everton.

Dcl, looked shocking. Again hindsight is wonderful but maybe Frank should of thought to himself…. ‘Hold on a second, we are winning away, I can't win away, how do I at least get a point from this now? They are going to throw the kitchen sink at us…. Take DCL off, put Richy up front on his own, take Holgate from Midfield and put him centre back, play a flat back 5, NOT wing backs, and bring Delph on for DCL and simply saying tk Delph, you know what to do mate, sit in from of them three defenders.

Our best chance was to hold onto 2-1 or to at least get a point. But again, he continued with the same tactics and didn't change a thing… until it was too late. What concerns me is all of these ‘high quality' coaching staff… Ferguson, Clement, Cole…. Why isn't someone saying this to Frank at half-time. ‘Hold in a sec Frank, we have 45 minutes here to potentially save our season… we have been poor at the back, let's sure it up and try and see it out.

It's all too obvious for me. It really is poor from the manager.

What is going to happen when we play our tougher fixtures, where we will not be gifted chances by the officials and the VAR?

Now down to our run-in and, unless we change something, the same will happen again and again.

I stand by what I posted pre-match: we need to make two tactical changes. Put Begovic in goal, his height will at least give us a chance against crosses and set-pieces against us. We need a calming head behind our defence, not someone screaming his head off and like a cat on hot bricks.

Then I would start with Rondon, leave Calvert-Lewin for the second half. Let Rondon get among them, take a few kicks, leaving space for either Richarlison or Gordon.

We need fighters in the team now, forget School of Science... if need be, play ugly, get players in there who will at least have a go.

For all the stick he has taken, Delph has come back just at the right time. If he can manage to stay fit for the remainder of the season, he could be the difference of staying in the Premier League.

Whatever happens in our remaining games, we have to change something; we simply cannot keep going with the same and expecting a different outcome.

Absolutely spot on. I had the same thought myself about bringing Delph on at 2-1, instead of trying to kill the game off, stiffle their attacks and use Richarlison for the breakaways.

It's weird some people see it as a zero-sum game. If they point out a problem, then the opposite must be 100% the solution.

I've come to take a more balanced approach. Everyone is to blame: Kenwright, Moshiri, the DOFs, the academy coaches, 99% of the players, etc. Everyone but the fans, who can do no more than spend money and cheer or moan but have no control over the running of the club or the team.

Look at last night, for example. We should have been defensive. Well, Rafa was defensive and we saw what happened: we endured relentless pressure until someone made a mistake.

Frank is attacking, trying to offset the inevitable mistakes with goals scored. But the focus ends up on the defensive mistakes. We don't hear much about the failings of the strikers. If we took our opportunities last night, then Burnley could have wilted. But we didn't because our attackers are not very good, just like our defenders, and our midfielders.

If you want to blame anyone, it's the owner and chairman who appointed Lampard with about 3 hours to do transfer business. Sacking managers has got us nowhere, we need to let someone get their feet under the table and give them time to build a philosophy and squad.

Lampard was parachuted into a relegation battle with the worst set of shithouse gutless players I've ever seen wear a blue shirt. If the players can't see out a game when they are leading against a team who hadn't scored for weeks, what chance have we got?

I feel a bit sorry for Lampard, he probably can't believe how bad some of these players are, that 3rd goal last night was embarrassingly bad.

Carlo had the same group of players, mate. We didn't let a corner in every single game and he obviously told players to not foul and give stupid free-kicks away that can result in a cross into the box.

If we carry on with Lampard, then we are down? Is that what you think we should do? There is no way out of this with Lampard in charge.

What do we do? Wait until the middle of next season to get rid when we are 15th in the Championship and our local derbies are Blackpool and Blackburn?

Yes, the players are making mistakes and that is on the players; however; Frank's tactics are creating problems of their own.

How many corners did we give away last night? That is because he is playing wingbacks and they are continually caught out of position, meaning they have to run back and swing a foot out, stopping a cross, resulting in a corner.

Wingbacks is fine but we went 2-1 up at half-time. That was the time to say ‘Do not go over the half-way line, stick to your position, and stop them getting into positions to cross the ball'.

Kenny was caught out of position for the third and both goals, lo and behold, come from crosses. I'm no tactical genius but I honestly think I could do a better job.

Over the last few weeks, Frank Lampard reminds me in his pre-match press conference, as the guy on the bridge: "We're sorry, we would like to help", with the German carrying a white flag being the opposition Manager.

After last night's defeat, our fans turning to Lampard, like Michael Caine sat in his tank, saying "You don't know the worst, that game last night was the wide part of the road."

A chant at Calvert-Lewin of ‘You're not fit to wear the skirt' is very good!

I apologize for any posts of mine that have contributed to the tension. I'm back on track and, like Ray, believe with my heart that we can find a way and will find a way.

I'll try not to make any mountains out of molehills while we sort it out. I often get despondent from the team's performances and do get caught up in finding something to criticize as an outlet.

Having a place to come to with thoughtful friends of football is something I cherish deeply. If it is not too much to ask, please keep this in mind when I whip out the pejoratives (I didn't realize I was misspelling that all these years, the Queen).

Anyone else see this?

Last season:

James - 6 goals, 5 assists in 23 Premier League games.
Digne - 7 assists in 30 Premier League games.

They had in total, involvement in 18 goals. That's an awful lot in a tough Premier League to take out of a team. Rafa got rid of both of them – go figure.

Just watching the game on Sky now. Just noticed that myself.

Again, either no team spirit or the rest of the team thought… right we are back in it… back to our positions and we go again.

Either way, I think all 10 outfield players should celebrate a goal together.

As for trying new players for the remaining games... why not! As we seem to recycle the same old shite game after game, time for a major rethink methinks.

Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing, can't think of one gaffer since Moyes that's pleased me... boring safe or past-it bastards just leeching a living whilst with us and just adding more fucking misery.

We've now become the kings of the backpass and a global joke, we shame the Premier League, a train wreck of a club that I will sadly love till my dying breath.

I suffer with AEE (Adverse Everton Experiences) and am conditioned to think the worst.

Carlo also had James, Digne and Sigurdsson; Frank has been left the dregs.

We've sacked too many managers, I'll admit he could do better but, fuck me, how can you legislate for the comical defending we see week after week? It doesn't matter who he puts out or in what formation, you can guarantee one of them will cock up.

This is on the owner and chairman as far as I'm concerned, appointing Benitez has left a big dark cloud over Goodison which is proving impossible to shift.

We all see things differently, we'd have nothing to talk about if we all agreed on everything.

You and the rest of us mate. I left work yesterday at 4:45 pm. Drove up to Burnley, got stuck in traffic, arrived at around 6:30 pm. Threw my car on a single yellow line panicking I would get a ticket but in the end thought ‘sod it if we win I'm not bothered'.

Then sat in the Burnley end all game, watched people from Burnley kick-off at Everton fans in their end when we scored and they obviously celebrated; I was quiet as a church mouse.

I watched us get beat, got soaked walking back to my car, didn't have a ticket which was good.

It took me ages to leave the street I was in, made worse by absolute idiotic Burnley fans walking in the middle of the road.

I didn't walk in to my house until about 11 am and then couldn't sleep due to the defeat playing on my mind. What a joke.

Whatever you do, please do not hand it over to Zouma.

Most fans were happy when James left. I was devastated.

Tell you what – I would love to see him now in these games, getting the ball and spreading a 50-yard pass across the field to feet.

I agree, he has been left with the crap; however, he's had a left-back in Mykolenko and he hasn't really played him, and Patterson... don't even get me started. He would rather play Kenny.

Even towards the end of the first half in this Burnley game, we have scored the second pen and they are completely now in control. Why didn't Frank see this coming and sort it out at half-time!?

I did the same last Sunday. Parked in Westfield shopping centre in London, waited for hours to get out after the game hoping my ticketless parking application had worked, only to find out it hadn't but factored in the embarrassment, or at worst, a fine as a price worth paying for relief a victory would bring.

We lost and I had to pay the old-fashioned way after being beeped at by a load of cockneys.

All rhyme and reason goes out the window when afflicted by AEE.

Again yesterday, 3 minutes of injury time, Mike Dean allows Burnley to take a corner 10 seconds after the three minutes is up…. They fluff it and Anthony Gordon is away…. He has to beat one player and he's one on one with the keeper. The ref blows for the end of the half.

If he allows them to take the corner ,he surely has to see how our counter plays out. I'm clutching at straws; however, my point is their corner shouldn't have even been allowed to be taken.

We will have Delph, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Lonergan, Begovic, Kenny, loan signings of Van de Beek and El Ghazi – all off the wage bill in June,

Staying up was giving us a chance to rebuild. I personally think we will be building for Championship football.

I feel your pain, pal. To be honest, that's the first away game I have been to in years and I doubt I would ever go with away fans ever again, it was all just too pointless for someone like myself who wants to sing, scream, shout etc.

Telling you what, though, credit to you. The drive to Burnley was enough for me, I can't be arsed going to London. At least we will have some more games in the North next season: Blackpool, Huddersfield, Preston, Blackburn, Stoke, probably Wigan.

James - 6 goals, 5 assists in 23 prem games.
Digne - 7 assists in 30 prem games.

You can also add in:

The Nameless One - 5 assists and 6 goals in 36 Prem games.

That's 29 goals that those three players were involved in. Yet despite knowing that the Nameless One would not be available, the Spanish Sociopath was allowed to sell James and Digne as well as dismantle the whole recruiting and medical infrastructure of the club, all before he got the sack due to his abysmal record of one league win after September.

That says everything about the dysfunctionality of this board and their decision making. Sure, Lampard has made mistakes since he joined but that was the shit show he has been left to clear up.

Let me just say that they have collectively reached a level of inadequacy and ineptitude that neither I nor modern science had previously considered possible.

“I have passed kidney stones which have brought me a greater level of pleasure and entertainment than watching these worthless excuses for professional footballers”.

Svein, I can see passing kidney stones now being part of the standard training regime at Finch Farm. As long as it's not part of the pre-match warm-up at Goodison.

I know he missed a lot of games through injury but I enjoyed watching him when he did play.

I also agree about the two full-backs, I can't believe he keeps picking Kenny.

I'd then tell him to get on the phone to his agent and tell him to find another club.

Points after first 6 matches: 13
Points from next 23 matches: 12
Points need to survive in next 9 matches: 11

Our current form is bottom of the Premier League.

And still I just about believe survival is achievable.

Every game is massive.

It has been no secret that he's not good enough, we have been trying to get rid and none of his loan clubs have wanted him.

No. Neither Schalke nor Celtic wanted Jonjoe Kenny. Not even for free! Just ask Celtic fans what they think of him.

93-94: Walker appointed January
21-22: Lampard appointed in January

93-94: Walker's first home league game won 6-2
21-22: Lampard's first home league game won 3-0

93-94: Walker's next 7 league games: LLWDDWL
21-22: Lampard's next 7 league games: LLLLWLL

93-94: With 9 games left, we were 17th
21-22: With 9 games left we are 17th

Thereafter, in 93-94: we didn't drop into the bottom 3 until losing our sixth from last game in April. In total, we only spent 3 weeks in the Bottom 3 all season long yet we almost got relegated.

So, by comparison, this season is a little worse in every respect. Not as good a start, not as big of a win with the new manager, not as good of a run after the new manager's opening win.

In 93-94, we ended up at home playing a goalie who was known to fix matches. This season, we end up away at arguably England's Number 1 goalie, who plays for the side we have the worst record against of any team in England.

By the way, I'm in the Begovic and Rondon for Pickford and Calvert-Lewin camp. Also, Seamus is a must.

The three stages of life:

1 Birth
2 Fuck's Sake, Everton
3 Death

The year after that we finished 6th, good enough for the playoffs, bish bash bosh, back in the top flight. That's how it works doesn't it?

For anyone using Ancelotti v Lampard. Carlo didn't have the same injuries plus he also had Sigurdsson.

By the way, I'll attribute "sloth's scrotum" to you when I use that in the future. Classic TW stuff, man. Not going down, maybe, wait... no definitely still not going down.

And uh, the comparison is to Mike Walker maybe Benitez not Carlo at this point. By similar logic, Walker had much less in his squad relative to competition than Frank has now so let's just let the Carlo thing go.

"Fact is, if we beat Man Utd, Leicester City and Brentford (all at home), we will stay up."

Will you be going to the bookies and putting a sizeable chunk down on that treble?

But the Jocks have a great saying – “Keep the heid (head)”. A good thing to do, when everyone around you is losing theirs.

As supporters, there is nothing we can do but give our maximum support until the final second of the season, no matter how many times we have had it thrown back in our faces.

Sorry but these shites have no guts for the next 9 games – only a handful care, the rest are too busy watching soft arse Kenwright fiddle whilst Goodison burns. 😡😢

I can't see Richarlison lasting more than 70 minutes on Saturday, given his shift last night. Gray has gone off the boil and we need something different and unexpected. Bringing El Ghazi will also put a shot across Gray, to buck up for the rest of the season.

Just a thought.

A day of reflection and acceptance that relegation is more likely than not. I wanted Frank gone today and big Sam brought in but why should Sam come? Most of the fans wanted him gone as of Rafa. Frank wanted the job so the buck lies with him as our manager.

Let's look to the remaining games and get behind the team. Enjoy probably our last couple of months in the top flight. It's been a great run in the top league. That's an achievement in itself. I am an optimist, believe it or not, but statistics and performances have led me to the conclusion relegation is coming.

All I ask of the players: Please don't go down without a fight. Some of you will move on to other clubs and more money but remember we will still be here. Everton is in our hearts, we cheer, we cry, and we argue together all in support of our club from all around the world. Strangely, we are grieving together and frustrated as we are powerless to prevent what potentially will be relegation.

All I will say to my fellow Evertonians is, please don't get angry with each other. It's frustration at our current plight. We all want the same for our great club!

I sort of skimmed your post and saw "get behind the team" and then "Some of you will move on to other clubs" and didn't immediately question it as a valid point even though I mistakenly thought you were referring to fans in both sentences.

Hopefully we review Ferguson after a couple of games and if no improvement get Unsie in for a couple and so on. That way we can clear out Finch Farm in short order on our way down.

Simples Sergei (Kieran) !

It will be a never ending circular queue, so they'll start back at Dunc again when the end is reached, probably after Bainsey has had a go. Kenwright teary-eyed each time an old boy comes out.

I said I couldn't genuinely answer if we would stay up, but when I said I thought Goodison could save us, I could see him trying to put that doubt, and convince himself otherwise, out of his own mind. I can't see us winning anywhere away from home I said, but maybe we will win at Anfield, and although most people would say I need sectioning for having this belief, I definitely saw fear in the bastards face!

We are shite, we can't identify with many of our players, but we are Evertonians, and one thing Evertonians have always been, is defiant bastards, so let's not lose this gift when we need it the most. Singing we shall not be moved!

Trying to stay positive when I look at our remaining fixtures;
Leicester are concentrating on Europe, they have nothing to play for donestically
Palace have nothing to play for domestically
Brentford will likely be safe by the time we play them
European placings may have been decided by the time we play Arsenal
That leaves 4 games against teams with a lot at stake.

Here's hoping!

UTFT

Lamps will hopefully have told his squad perhaps not for the first time, since he took over that they must start playing for the shirt every minute of every game.

I'm hoping for a good response on Saturday and for some goals from outfield play from Everton.

Wary of the diving scheming Fernandes, whom, so far has taken the piss with his antics against Everton, plus scored a few against us.

But hope eternal and let's home for better defending and some clinical finishing v United.

UTFT!

As you say though, we have to eliminate the schoolboy errors.

UTFT

We're a lot weaker and less creative because of the loss of him, Digne and Sigurrdson and we'll do well to avoid the drop. Astonishingly inept and utterly disgraceful mismanagement by the Everton Football Club board in allowing Rodriguez and Digne to go whilst knowing we'd lose the Icelander. Unbelievable bunch of halfwits.

"I've said it before but Guardiola or Klopp couldn't coach Godfrey from not miskicking"

Craig, you can't teach any professional player from miskicking a ball, it's like sneezing, it happens.

What Guardiola and Klopp would have been definitely disgusted with would be the positions of our defenders, Cornet completely unmarked eight yards out with three defenders nearby, This is where our and Lampard's anger should be.

Talking of flair It's worth mentioning they also offloaded one of our top earners last summer just to save a few quid: Bernard. OK maybe that wasn't worth mentioning after all.

Also when we break forward, the player keeps carrying the ball, up the field, keeping dribbling till the ball is at a dead end. Play the ball back or get snuffed out. I saw the other teams just 2 passes and it reaches a point for shoot. The players have good understand where to run and where to pass without too much looking and thinking.

What do we practise in training?

Still think, on balance, we did the right thing bringing Lampard in at the time. But if there's a chance Sam or Dunc could take the reigns and keep us up I'd happily see him go.

As hopeless as things look at the moment, staying up from this point will be a lot easier than spending the best part of a decade fighting our way back.

I don't think as fans we're prepared for the loss of status that's coming. I support anything that gives us a chance of avoiding it.

It was fuckwittery of the first order, even by our board's own dysfunctional standards.

Although at the time (and subsequently) it has been hailed as a great move to offload James and Digne, replacing them with Townsend and Mykolenko. Not to mention the nameless one, who has been replaced belatedly by Dele Alli!

The league table respectfully begs to differ.

."An experienced manager could drill some shape into this side....if there's a chance Sam or Dunc could take the reigns and keep us up I'd happily see him go"

So is it "experienced" we need (Sam)? Or an essentially untried item of baggage who seems to contribute very little, who stepped away from the job when Benitez left, and who to the best of my knowledge has not been sought by any other team in any division. Ferguson is there already - right there - in the set up. Why isn't he making his presence felt?

Or do we just stick with and support Lampard, the latest in a long line struggling with the tools he's got?

I agree we have to get ugly for the rest of the season to accrue the necessary points, and just get men behind the ball, which may be a somewhat bitter pill for Lampard to swallow with his preferred style of play but if he can just get his head around this, get us to the end of he season and hope we can do some repair work on our spine and defense over the summer, and enjoy next season.

Bear in mind also that Leicester in 14/15 ended up just 6 points clear of the drop zone and looked like bankers to go down the following season !

Miracles do happen. I continue to pray for them - starting on Saturday.

If Lampard goes now - pushed or even jumped - we are royally fucked in my opinion. People seem to forget that the manager comes with his own team so it's not just the manager who needs to be replaced.

With 9 games to play and at the speed our board operate?

Do me a favour.

https://www.football365.com/news/feature-everton-too-good-to-go-down-premier-league-relegation

I think we'll finish 19th and then drop again after clearing out the saleable assets. I watched that vid again of Kenwright outside GP telling fans they've had good times. Absolutely unbelievable. Fucking arrogant narcissistic prick; he cant see what he's done and totally refuses to accept any blame. Classic narcissist. The NUMBER ONE PRIORITY is to get rid of this man and his regime if we want to get the club back. Everything else is largely irrelevant.

Nothing this summer is as important over the last 30 years as getting rid of this charlatan for good.

Completely agree, can you imagine that Tarkowski fella leaving one of our attackers with that much space in the box!! No chance !

2 days on and I still feel sick!

Frank has had less time but the players brought in are not good enough. Results haven't improved, goals scored, conceded, performances all continue to be poor to average.

I'm not sure why Frank is praised or forgiven so easily by so many fans. What has he done to say, "no matter what happens we stick by Frank" because any other manager, Rafa, Moyes, Duncan, Silva, Unsworth, Sam, Martinez would not have been let off the hook so easily.

I understand we don't know what's goes on behind the scenes or who actually recruited the players. But I've seen nothing positive from Frank to believe he's the manager for us.

That's weather he's managing in a relegation scrap, reaching for Premier league top 6 or in the championship.

Yes the board needs to resign and so do the manager's and coaches.
We need the very best we can get in every role and position on and off the field. We pay for it, but don't get anywhere near it.

Or do many fan's think we just need a change in luck and everything will be OK?

It was the Spaniard who got us into this terrible mess, it was obvious that the results were not improving and wouldn't have improved. Frank may not be the answer, but Benitez was never the answer as he only added to the problems.

There's nine games left, whether it's Frank or somebody else they'll have to pretty much be a 'magician' to gain the necessary points required to stave off relegation.

It's fine people having opinions, but to sack a manager at this late stage, won't help at all and it might prove counter-productive. Going forward into the summer, we might well relieve Frank of his job, but I don't think we can afford to do it before this season has ended.

You're absolutely correct to say our decline is much deeper than a manager, but naive beyond words thinking they (and especially he) isn't the final nail in the coffin. Unless Real sack Carlo tomorrow, then I can't see anyone who could save us with 9 games left. If we lose tomorrow though, we need to try something drastic because we are heading for a titanic iceberg right now.

But what then? Paul the Esk makes it crystal clear to me that so grossly irresponsible has our spending been for years that we can't spend meaningful money to sign anyone at all for two more seasons at best. Meanwhile we have a squad with a preponderance of "talent" on top-dollar because of gross irresponsibility that not even Stevie Wonder would sign.

So folks, we're bolloxed for the foreseeable by grossly irresponsible design from within ..... as ever, still.

On the optimistic side I look forward to the BMD site being salvaged as some sort of go-Kart track for kids though.

To answer your question, he has done nothing. But speaking for myself having seen this trend of "sack the manager" over the last five years play out. What I have noticed is the team has become progressively worse as each manager inherits the same flawed core group but is given less time than his predecessor to turn it around. There is nothing to suggest Frank or anyone else can turn it around. But if we sack Frank we are adding to our costs with payoffs for him and his crew. So the only certainty in another change is that it will further weaken our finances.

Just one correction "Billionaire" accountant who hasnt a clue and is being mugged by poor penniless Bill who if only he had the money he would pour it into Everton????

There was an article yesterday saying we'd need to cut our costs by £50 million to avoid points penalties in the Championship next season.

Looking at our squad contracts for Tosun, Delph and Sigurdsson combined amount to around £12 or 13 million. El Ghazi and Van de Beek are said to be costing us about £1.2 million apiece. We have the two old goalies and Kenny out of contract.

But that all amounts to around at best £19 million. We could cut about £12 million by shipping Mina and Gomes but who would take on their wages? Much less pay any kind of a fee for them?

Presumably we would try and flog Richarlison and/or Calvert-Lewin but I don't see us getting anywhere near the figures being quoted for either one.

it would be an irony if the points deduction kicks in cos of that crazy contract we gave Dele.

I forgot about him. He's like the new Fabian Delph, an expensive ghost.

I honestly despise what some of the players like Sharp have become – passive yes-men. If they loved Everton like the fans do, they'd tell The Big Actor to fuck off, instead of drawing a salary to say nothing. Shameful behaviour.

The club is a complete basket case and players sold will be replaced by low cost journeymen and youngsters who aren't ready.

Relegation will see us more likely go down next season, not up. The finances of the Club can not sustain relegation. There would be a massive fire sale to pay the bills.

I think it would take 4-5 year to get back to the top flight.

I am seriously scared for the future of Everton.

We need to win at home now. It's the only way to avoid the drop.

If we go down, then I'd agree, we will go down again because we'll be hamstrung by wages for the likes of Gomes, Keane and Holgate who are probably Diadora Conference at best.

And they're too physically and mentally weak to deal with hungry Championship players. So we will likely keep dropping until their contracts expire.

We'll be back, but it will likely take the best part of a decade.

And we won't come back stronger. All we'll do is lose ground on established Premier League sides. We'll come back at square one, fighting to stay up.

The only positive outcome is survival for the next few years as we clear out the deadwood.

We would then agree any deal whatsoever to get shot of as many a possible of Allan, Gomes, Keane, Holgate and Iwobi - possibly on loan.

That will balance the books.

It would leave us with very little to reinvest but we can do it with free transfers, loans and talented youth from low cost markets.

However, we are by no means gone. We can beat Man Utd at home.

Dealing off the senior underperfotmers would be the determining factor. If we can get rid for acceptable fees, there is a class of frustrated players in the Premier League and abroad who would throw in for Everton with the proper mindset to get back to the top flight.

To be fair, heh heh, it is not yet time for such pessimistic prognostication. It is ugly but not yet sack-over-the-head time.

Not going down. UTFT!!!!!

We should have got Moyes back when we had the chance before we got Ancelotti. Those who threw tantrums about not wanting him back have got a lot to answer for. We would never have been in this position with Moyes. He always made sure that his teams were strong at the back and difficult to beat.

I hope we are able to come straight back up in the first season. It really is a nightmare, these reds are so insufferable. I know a few Man City fans and they are so much more dignified having been in League One just 23 years ago. I so hope that City pip them for the League at least and hopefully the Champions League as well.

By the time they reach the Championship, LCC will be desperate for a tennant for the Bramley Dock Stadium so we can probably get a sweetheart deal like West Ham did.

We stay up. That is the mentality we and the players need.

The spark to get a positive winning reaction from this squad starts now, but no more freebies.

Can Everton stay up, yes they can because it's doable physically and by the maths.

But the complex variables of the squad in mindset must be turned by Lamps and his support Team.

Hopefully Cole has read the riot act since Burnley.

Tomorrow we shall see.

The article I mentioned earlier was taking into account the parachute payments we will receive and saying we will need to cut another £50 million.

Doing Hearts v the Peg Sellers and Everton win double tomorrow, plus my National bet, as yet not confirmed.

Mad, who knows, perhaps, but I believe the spirit of the supporters and the chance to play for their future careers, should get Everton up the fight these coming weeks.

All together now.

I hate to say it but those 3 have won more than our so-called footballers can't even imagine. They are the clueless ones. Too many think ever so highly of themselves, just like the parasite who lauds himself as our Chairman and the exemplar of how to run a Premier League Club.

My fear is, if we stay up, nothing will change. The players leaving because their contracts have run out will be replaced by more no mark players. If we go down, the better players will leave – we all know who they are and dross will be left behind.

So to ensure things do change, and change for the better, Kenwright must go and the rest of the board too. The hangers-on who contribute nothing positive to aid the first team should follow him out the door.

Moshiri should consider his position. If he decides to stay, he must appoint a board that has the experience and skill set to run a Premier League team, in what is a highly competitive environment. He should also fuck-off the agents who have been whispering in his ear and making him look a dickhead. Certain players must not play for Everton next season, no matter what happens.

I would like to see Tim Cahill come aboard, in some influential capacity. I hope we stay up but I am finding it harder to see it happening. It is more with hope than expectation now.

If we do go down, it would be good to be challenging for a title or a playoff final rather than finishing mid-table all the time. We're not down yet, we can still save ourselves, but I'm not panicking about relegation. It'll still be my club, no matter what league we are playing in.

Frank was outcoached by Dyche when ahead in the second half and was undone by his centre-back wrongly trying to connect with a back-running unreliable midfield (choose your interpretation) when a point on the road would have been more than acceptable.

These are the results of Frank's preferred style of play. It has been good to watch until undone by a lack of defensive nous. They do look like they are better at fighting back out of a hole in his system but, short on confidence, they've not been able to give Frank a reason to continue in that style.

Please note that Frank has not earned a draw anywhere. Small sample but if you did a statistical T-test, I think there is enough of a difference at n = 12 in outcomes to say that it is a stochastically dominated dumbass strategy, first-order dominance at that: 7-5-10 vs 4-0-8.

Christ, we just never learn, do we? Fuckwits the lot of them!

I wonder if our scouts are following the Under-19 British cup tournament that's going on now... the lad Stones for England and Williams for Wales are defo future stars, methinks.

I am sure our scouts are currently abroad whilst our club burns... sack 'em 'cos their past record on finding gems has been dogshit.

I'm pretty sure there are some bad apples in the Everton dresser. The likes of Holgate, I've heard. There's a toxic culture there, for sure.

But unless we alter the philosophy and culture of the club to a winning one, and not Bill's museum trainset, it won't change because whoever we buy will slip into the same mindset of winning not mattering and just going through the motions.

Yeah Carlo really knew how to manage those games against relegation zone teams when we went a goal down as we did at Burnley:

Everton 0 v 1 Sheff Utd
Everton 1 v 2 Burnley
Everton 0 v 2 Fulham
Everton 0 v 2 Newcastle
Everton 1 v 3 Bournemouth

Koeman too
Everton 0 v 1 Burnley

He was also good at shutting up shop. 2-2 with 15 minutes to go versus Arsenal and we lost 2-5.

As for Rafa really?

https://www.evertonresults.com/managers7.htm

Argue with that!

It isn't that Carlo did well with this squad; however, you weight the differences in personnel which are slight, it is that Frank's outcomes do not survive statistical scrutiny. Say what you want, pick out which games you want to emphasize; however you cut it, the overall picture is damning.

He has been here for 12 games and inherited a team from the guy two spots above him on that list – after said guy sold the player with the most assists the season prior and replaced him with two as of yet not-good-enough kids.

Also his win percentage is higher than Smith, Kendall III, Benitez, Nisbett and twice as good at Walker's if you want to pick metrics.

Wind-up retracted but a decent bluff eh?

It is weird though how we sack managers as we don't sack players. We end up paying the manager's contract off so why not just keep them at the club for the duration of their contract and put them to work in some other capacity? Maybe the academy would be better if all our ex-managers were training the kids instead of Franny Jeffers. If they want to leave, then demand a transfer fee. Even if they're really useless, put them to work as kitmen or turnstile operators or janitors. Make them work for their money instead of just paying them for 2 or 3 years more work that they never delivered when they were sacked.

Seriously? Look, every manager is going to do some things you don't agree with. But Lord above, what in the hell is this guy supposed to do??

We've been ravaged with injuries and suspensions. He's trying like hell to get us to play properly, and it's been individual errors that have seen us undone.

Do you honestly, anyone out there hand on heart, think a managerial change would benefit us at this point? Lord it's chaos enough already!

We need to stay up and give Frank a full season, after he's had the summer to attempt to bring in a player or two that will play a better brand of his footy.

Insofar as the pressers are concerned, what in the world do you want him to say?

"Well quite honestly, I feel we're mentally weak. The errors are just dumbassery on a level I can't coach out of the players. We're probably going down. Our confidence is shite."

Jesus man, we've got a good manager, and he's in a very tough spot due to years of mismanagement, spending half a billion on players that just haven't lived up to their potential or just bad signings, and we have like zero continuity.

Our owner also can be faulted, but jeez he's dumped a freaking fortune into the club!

We are where we are, but chucking stones at those folks certainly won't get us anywhere but down. They're clearly trying. We simply need the players to knock off the errors!

Ah God, it's all so damn depressing. And I'm going to get out of bed at like 7 am tomorrow to watch us probably play good for 90+ minutes, with a brilliant fanbase screaming on the boys, only to lose through 1-2 minutes of totally braindead errors to ruin it all.

DRINK PLEASE!!!

I am completely hoping for Frank to turn it around, honestly. Just tighten up the fucking defense when we have a point in hand in the second half.

Yes, he is working with players who simply are not good enough, but he is responsible for managing a game – he simply did not do this against Burnley. A more experienced manager would have realised what was on the line and came away with at least a point.

This defeat really has kicked all of us right up the ball bag and our Premier League status hangs by a thread, we need these fucking players to stand up and be counted and all the luck we can muster to stand any chance.

We simply have to stay in contention and keep the pressure on Burnley, starting tomorrow!

Forever Evertonians – come on, lads, for fuck's sake.

That should spell out to anything with an IQ higher than an amoeba that the ongoing problems at Everton have had little at all to do with the manager(s), for decades.

And to those who suggest that, when we're relegated, we'll need a Premier League standard manager to get us back in it, I say "Bollocks!" We'll need a manager with a football-savvy history, able to put a squad together for next to nothing, play professional football, and all whilst under the grasping ownership of a proven shyster.

Ian "Ollie" Holloway is the man we'll need after relegation. He's got all the necessary credentials to achieve success under ?????? ownership (I was going to say "shitty" but I thought I might be yellow-carded).

Jeez, his Blackpool team were relegated with 39 points! 39 points? As if!